Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: I'm a Holly Fry and Marquis and this week we
Speaker 1: are going to look at the life of Julia to Fauna,
Speaker 1: an Italian apothecary known for her beauty, her secrecy, and
Speaker 1: her poisonous proclivities. If the numbers are all to be believed,
Speaker 1: she might be the most successful serial killer that you
Speaker 1: have never heard of. But unlike many of the women
Speaker 1: we've talked about and we'll talk about on this show,
Speaker 1: Julia wasn't in it for a personal power grap She's
Speaker 1: best known as having invented a famous poison called Akuata fauna,
Speaker 1: and that perhaps sounds more like a light submarine fragrance
Speaker 1: rather than what it really was, because it was a
Speaker 1: deadly potion laced with arsenic belladonna and lead that she
Speaker 1: sold two hundreds of women. Those are primarily women who
Speaker 1: wanted to escape dangerous marriages, and when we say dangerous,
Speaker 1: we are talking about abuse. So let's set her scene.
Speaker 1: This was during the Italian Renaissance, which was an era
Speaker 1: of enlightenment and achievement between the fourteenth and seventeenth centuries,
Speaker 1: but not for women. For women, this was still really
Speaker 1: a dark time of arranged marriage, and that was marriage
Speaker 1: that did not have a possibility of divorce. No matter
Speaker 1: what the situation, women found themselves with no financial or
Speaker 1: social power, and they really only had a few available options.
Speaker 1: So one they could get married, Two they could stay
Speaker 1: single and rely on something like sex work to survive.
Speaker 1: Or three they could become a well off widow, which
Speaker 1: naturally required option one to happen first. Often, marriages at
Speaker 1: this time were decided based on how the families financial
Speaker 1: or political interests aligned. Love was really not part of
Speaker 1: the equation at all. Not only did women not have
Speaker 1: a say regarding who they were married to, they were
Speaker 1: also considered legally subject to their husband's and a husband
Speaker 1: could beat his wife without any fear of punishment. So
Speaker 1: the only way out was to become a widow. Although
Speaker 1: many women at this time were skilled in making some
Speaker 1: common medicinal home remedies are Julius spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time in and out of apothecaries, watching and learning as
Speaker 1: they made their medicines and potions, so by this time,
Speaker 1: for instance, in an an apothecary would know remedies like
Speaker 1: how to treat heartburn with chalk, which is really similar
Speaker 1: to how we treat it with Tom's Uh, it doesn't
Speaker 1: just taste like chalk because of coincidence. Eventually, Julia ran
Speaker 1: her own apothecary and developed her own potions. So up
Speaker 1: until roughly the nineteenth century, apothecaries were kind of like
Speaker 1: the common ancestor to our modern day pharmacies, hospitals, and
Speaker 1: perhaps surprisingly our modern day liquor stores. Unlike today's pharmacists, though,
Speaker 1: apothecaries would also distill, mix and prescribe both medications and
Speaker 1: alcohol right there in house, and when tobacco was commonly
Speaker 1: used in medical treatment, it too was sold through an apothecary.
Speaker 1: So an apothecary had to have a combination of talents
Speaker 1: and skills, including being a general physician, surgeon, dentist, obstetrician, optometrist.
Speaker 1: The list just keeps going, um, But in this role,
Speaker 1: they were available to provide medical advice and treatments to
Speaker 1: the general public who wouldn't normally have access to such
Speaker 1: a thing. In addition to preparing treatments, they also typically
Speaker 1: sold the ingredients you'd need to make up a home
Speaker 1: remedy as well as prepared goods and herbal medicines, and
Speaker 1: they often took on apprentices and they trained both men
Speaker 1: and women in the field. So, if he'll indulge us,
Speaker 1: we'd like to go down a quick rabbit hole on
Speaker 1: apothecary history, because the actual origins of this particular service
Speaker 1: go way back, and you could debate where exactly on
Speaker 1: the timeline it starts. Yeah, we know that as early
Speaker 1: as two thousand BC, Ambersia now of China was prioritizing
Speaker 1: the examination and the cataloging of hundreds of samples from nature,
Speaker 1: so think of herbs, barks, roots, in order to develop
Speaker 1: a database of how such things could be used medicinally.
Speaker 1: Mesopotamia similarly had proto apothecaries figuring out how to extract
Speaker 1: and combine and dose natural elements to address countless issues.
Speaker 1: And they were recording all of this and in the
Speaker 1: mid fifteen hundreds d c. And estimated eight hundred different
Speaker 1: prescriptions were inscribed on the Ebbers pavirus in Egypt. At
Speaker 1: that time, formulas are compounding medications were recorded, serving as
Speaker 1: the ancestors to our modern day medicine. Ancient Egypt also
Speaker 1: established and codified a hierarchy of professionals in the apothecary field.
Speaker 1: So one class of job was defined for gathering, another
Speaker 1: for compounding, and then there was a third category that
Speaker 1: was the chief pharmacists. So I think it's fairly safe
Speaker 1: to consider that an apothecary at this point. Right right
Speaker 1: by the year one d c e. The idea of
Speaker 1: a pharmacist botanist existed in the form of Greece's Padanias Discorides,
Speaker 1: who wrote five volumes of books outlining the compounding and
Speaker 1: uses of ointments, the uses of animal derived products in medicine,
Speaker 1: and a fairly comprehensive god to botanicals and their uses
Speaker 1: for treating maladies of almost every imaginable type, as well
Speaker 1: as what sorts of vessels and containers were best for
Speaker 1: holding all of these things, because that's important too. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He made notes about, like, things will go bad if
Speaker 1: you store them in this kind of container. Store this
Speaker 1: only in this kind of contain a lid. You know, well,
Speaker 1: saran wrap, it'll be great. Um. And the first establishments
Speaker 1: that you would probably consider a drug store actually popped
Speaker 1: up in Baghdad in the late eighth century, where both
Speaker 1: medicines and confections of various kinds, including everything you would
Speaker 1: need to make cocktails, so they weren't called that at
Speaker 1: the time would be found. That's fantastic. The pharmacological field
Speaker 1: and Europe really got a boost in the thirteenth century
Speaker 1: when Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Second introduced a series of
Speaker 1: regulations into the field, and that started in the Kingdom
Speaker 1: of Two Sicilies, which is what we would point to
Speaker 1: today as Italy and Sicily. And at this point pharmacists
Speaker 1: there started to be governed not only by regulations that
Speaker 1: were put into effect by Frederick the Second, but they
Speaker 1: also had to take an oath that they would not
Speaker 1: exploit patients and that the drugs that they prepared were
Speaker 1: both uniform and reliable. Well, the concept of a public
Speaker 1: pharmacy spread rapidly throughout Europe from that point in the
Speaker 1: Kingdom of Two Sicilies. It's not surprising that fifteenth century Italy,
Speaker 1: especially in forward thinking Florence specifically, was where the first
Speaker 1: Farm of Copia was written, called the Nuevo Receiptorio. And
Speaker 1: during the Renaissance as well, nuns were learning and practicing
Speaker 1: apothecary medicine in Italian convents, and they had a pretty
Speaker 1: decent reputation among the medical community. So all of this
Speaker 1: is to say that Julie was part of a law
Speaker 1: understanding tradition of offering apothecary and pharmacology in history and
Speaker 1: specifically in Italian history. And we're going to get a
Speaker 1: whole lot deeper into her story, but before we do,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. Welcome back to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: So after becoming a widower herself, and we don't actually
Speaker 1: know if it was through poison or other circumstance, Julia
Speaker 1: and her daughter Girolama moved from Sicily to Naples and
Speaker 1: eventually settled in Rome. References to the elixir that she's
Speaker 1: credited with inventing, Aquata fauna um, have always been closely
Speaker 1: associated with Rome and Naples, but not necessarily Sicily. So
Speaker 1: it's in Rome when we first encounter her and her work,
Speaker 1: and the first recorded mention of aquaita fauna, which actually
Speaker 1: translates simply to to fauna water, can be traced to
Speaker 1: either sixteen thirty two or sixteen thirty three. And while
Speaker 1: the ingredients of arsenic lead and belladonna were well known
Speaker 1: at this time, exactly how those things were blended into
Speaker 1: a clear, tasteless liquid has been lost to the ages,
Speaker 1: and I would say that's probably a good thing. Probably
Speaker 1: probably yes, uh all, Julia was an apothecary. She probably
Speaker 1: wasn't running a public pharmacy. She was known to be
Speaker 1: discreet and worked mostly by referrals. And though the information
Speaker 1: about her background is pretty sparse, we do know that
Speaker 1: she was born in Sicily, in the city of Palermo,
Speaker 1: in sixteen twenty, so if you do that math those
Speaker 1: sixteen thirties references to Aquata Fano, she would have been
Speaker 1: still a young teenager when she was starting to develop
Speaker 1: and pedal that. Yes, she was probably the daughter of
Speaker 1: Teofania di Adamo, an apothecary who made and sold herbal medicines, cosmetics, perfumes,
Speaker 1: and other potions and poisons. It's a little bit hard
Speaker 1: to know for sure, but it is not unheard of
Speaker 1: for a poison to be sold as a perfume. And
Speaker 1: in fact, in Sanskrit, the word for red arsenic, is
Speaker 1: the same word that used for perfume, so those two
Speaker 1: words have a history of being linked, and they may
Speaker 1: well have been used to cover the trade of toxic substances.
Speaker 1: In sixty three, Julia's mother, Tiofanio, was accused of murdering
Speaker 1: her husband, and she was ultimately executed um if the
Speaker 1: cause of his death was poison, though that's not recorded anywhere.
Speaker 1: So at this point Julia was on her own, an orphan.
Speaker 1: Her father was killed, presumably by her mother based on
Speaker 1: what the courts found, and her mother had been put
Speaker 1: to death. But Julia was armed with the knowledge of
Speaker 1: an apothecary, and eventually also armed with the help of
Speaker 1: her daughter and a small group of trusted associates, and
Speaker 1: with all of that backing her up, Julia built her
Speaker 1: own reputation in Rome as a friend too abused women,
Speaker 1: all under the cloak of being a perfectly benign apothecary.
Speaker 1: The usual assortment of tinctures, medicines and beauty products. There's
Speaker 1: really nothing to see here, right, Like the bottles all
Speaker 1: have lids on them. It was brilliant, really, what she
Speaker 1: was doing. If anyone questioned the nature of Julia's business,
Speaker 1: she could just point to bottles of her popular face
Speaker 1: creams and powders. It appeared she sold cosmetics, and Aquatafano
Speaker 1: was packaged in such a way that it could be
Speaker 1: easily blended in on a woman's vanity, beside her makeup
Speaker 1: and creams and perfumes and a true bit of genius design.
Speaker 1: I feel like on my vanity no one could find
Speaker 1: anything anything, It's a mess. It all blends. I guarantee
Speaker 1: that the Italian women felt the same way. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: find the poison and like we should be super clear.
Speaker 1: There was plenty of toxic stuff in use in Rome
Speaker 1: at this time that was just considered normal to have
Speaker 1: in your household. Right. This was a period of time
Speaker 1: when arsenic and lead were commonly used in facial powders
Speaker 1: as skin eight Nurse and Belladonna, which if you even
Speaker 1: have rudimentary Italian skills you know means beautiful woman was
Speaker 1: used in eye drops as a way to dilate a
Speaker 1: person's pupils and make a woman's eyes look more dough
Speaker 1: like and therefore more alluring. Of course, this all had
Speaker 1: to do with careful dosage, dosage and intention, right. Julia's
Speaker 1: cleverly packaged poison product could be disguised in one of
Speaker 1: two ways. It could either be made to look like
Speaker 1: a cosmetic powder, or it could be sold in vials
Speaker 1: as a devotional object. Called Mana of St. Nicholas of Bari,
Speaker 1: which was actually a very popular healing oil for blemishes
Speaker 1: at the time. Aquatafana itself was a slow acting mixture
Speaker 1: that was easily mixed into water wine. I mean, it
Speaker 1: didn't have to be liquid. It could be any food
Speaker 1: that you wanted to put it into. Four small doses
Speaker 1: was what Julia recommended to kill a husband, and she
Speaker 1: wanted you to spread them apart slowly, as if to
Speaker 1: plan the victim's time of death or just give him
Speaker 1: time to write his will. Probably also it looked less
Speaker 1: suspicious if it was like, I don't know, he's been
Speaker 1: ailing for a while. So with the first dose, the
Speaker 1: way this worked was that the victim would likely develop
Speaker 1: some cold like symptoms, such as fatigue or weakness, and
Speaker 1: then the second dose would intensify those symptoms. But by
Speaker 1: the third dose the person would be quite ill, with
Speaker 1: symptoms including vomiting and diarrhea, which we see a lot
Speaker 1: with arsenic dehydration and a and a burning sensation throughout
Speaker 1: the digestive system, which would be similar to heartburn, but
Speaker 1: much much worse than heartburn. The fourth dose would be,
Speaker 1: of course, the lethal dose, although Julia and her associates
Speaker 1: were really good at keeping a low profile. You can't,
Speaker 1: of course, trust that all your clients will do so
Speaker 1: as well. Uh, this is you know, common knowledge, right.
Speaker 1: The more people that know a secret, the more likely
Speaker 1: it is that it will get out. And the way
Speaker 1: Julia was caught goes something like this. So in the end,
Speaker 1: Julia's business practices were revealed to the authorities by one
Speaker 1: of her own customers. This was a woman who had
Speaker 1: laced her husband's dinner with a drop of aquita fauna.
Speaker 1: But then she had a change of heart about things,
Speaker 1: so there would be poison or beg your husband not
Speaker 1: to eat the tainted soup she had prepared. Now, once
Speaker 1: she had confessed to her husband that his soup was
Speaker 1: in fact poisoned, he understandably ted her into the authorities. Listen,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what a relationship is like from the outside exactly.
Speaker 1: But then the authorities took her in and she confessed
Speaker 1: to the authorities, under extreme torture, that she had bought
Speaker 1: her bottle of aquita fauna from Julia. So keep in
Speaker 1: mind here that Julia was well liked. I mean, she
Speaker 1: had helped a lot of women in their situations. It
Speaker 1: was probably also in her client's best interests to keep
Speaker 1: Julia off of the authority's torture table. So when word
Speaker 1: got out that her apothecary had been exposed for selling poison,
Speaker 1: locals were quick to help Julia escape to a church. Um.
Speaker 1: There's an alternate story that she fled to a convent,
Speaker 1: which is totally plausible. Um. Either way, she was granted
Speaker 1: sanctuary while authorities searched for her. Yeah, Maria made an
Speaker 1: astute comment as we were talking about this case that
Speaker 1: that connection of nuns being associated with apothecary and respected
Speaker 1: by the medical community kind of ties in like, of
Speaker 1: course they might take in someone like Julia. But as
Speaker 1: is often the case, this story kind of exploded and
Speaker 1: rumors started to flare up, and those rumors got bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger. And then after a rumor claiming that she
Speaker 1: had poisoned Rome's water supply caught on throughout the city,
Speaker 1: the police forced their way into the church and detained Julia.
Speaker 1: It's said that, under accounts of extreme torture, she confessed
Speaker 1: to providing the poison to kill as many as six
Speaker 1: hundred men in Rome between the years sixteen thirty three.
Speaker 1: And sixteen fifty one. But can sitaring it was a
Speaker 1: confession given under torture, she probably would have also confessed
Speaker 1: to the future assassination of Abraham Lincoln or maybe too
Speaker 1: being a duck. I mean, it's hard to know exactly
Speaker 1: what her truth was. Confessions extracted through torture are not
Speaker 1: really trustworthy. Um, while we are pretty sure she was
Speaker 1: not innocent and also that she was not a duck. Uh,
Speaker 1: there could be a version of this story where Julia
Speaker 1: could have been selling harmless cosmetics and face creams at
Speaker 1: her apothecary when she was wrongfully accused of murderous intentions.
Speaker 1: There's also part of me that wonders if she isn't like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not mixing it, but do you know that the
Speaker 1: stuff in your face cream is actually poisonous and maybe
Speaker 1: you could use it for that reason. I wondered the
Speaker 1: same thing right where she was like, it comes in
Speaker 1: oil and it comes in powder, but if you put
Speaker 1: the two together, right. But in sixteen hundreds Italy, those
Speaker 1: torture confessions were good enough evidence to convict on Julia
Speaker 1: and her daughter, along with her accomplices that worked at
Speaker 1: her store, So they may have just been employees. We're
Speaker 1: all executed in Rome in the Campo de Fiori, or
Speaker 1: they were strangled by a mob. The specifics dipper among
Speaker 1: the story accounts, and because Julia's story is so sensational,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of variation in the accounts about her,
Speaker 1: and some of Julia's clientele who had used Aquatafano were
Speaker 1: also arrested. Some, perhaps as many as forty, were executed
Speaker 1: just like Julia herself. Others were, it is told again,
Speaker 1: so this is unsubstantiated bricked into the dungeons of the
Speaker 1: Palazzo Pucci. But considering that that is in Florence and
Speaker 1: not Rome, that particular version of the story is highly unlikely.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is it comes up a lot like there
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been like a a really good like reason
Speaker 1: for them to be bricked in in Florence. It seems
Speaker 1: so strange from an account, but okay, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it was I don't know. Um. Upper class women, however,
Speaker 1: who were accused of using her product were said to
Speaker 1: have escaped punishment, at least mostly mainly by virtue of
Speaker 1: being an upper class woman, but many feigned shock upon
Speaker 1: learning their quote unquote cosmetics were actually poisonous, and that's
Speaker 1: actually a plausible excuse because, as we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: in seventeenth century Italy, a lot of cosmetics did have
Speaker 1: arsenic and belladonna as just a regular ingredient. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk more about why Julia tafauna story still resonates,
Speaker 1: but first we'll have a little bit of a pause.
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Speaker 1: interesting is that more than a hundred years after her death,
Speaker 1: Julia to Fauna's legacy has still survived, and by brand
Speaker 1: name too. That is the kind of reach most companies
Speaker 1: today would kill for no pun intended. And there is
Speaker 1: even a high profile story about the use of Aquata
Speaker 1: fauna a century after Julia's death, and while almost all
Speaker 1: historians since the eighteenth century have dismissed this as pure
Speaker 1: gossip and rumor, according to some accounts at the time,
Speaker 1: Mozart feared on his deathbed in seventeen ninety one that
Speaker 1: he had been poisoned, and likely by his colleague and
Speaker 1: rival Antonio Salieri, saying quote, I feel that I will
Speaker 1: not last much longer. I am sure that I have
Speaker 1: been poisoned. I cannot rid myself of this idea. Someone
Speaker 1: has given me aquata fauna and what are the interesting things?
Speaker 1: Is like all of the instances where you read his quote,
Speaker 1: sometimes this is a little longer, sometimes it's a little shorter.
Speaker 1: It always mentions aquata fauna like by name. But in
Speaker 1: truth it's it's so highly unlikely that Mozart was poisoned
Speaker 1: by anyone, Sally Area or or his maide. You know, um,
Speaker 1: there's just no evidence to support his wild claim, although
Speaker 1: he may have really truly believed he felt like he'd
Speaker 1: been poisoned. Today most studies UM and historians point to
Speaker 1: actually a possible strep infection that had gone too far,
Speaker 1: which can lead to complications of rheumatic fever um. They
Speaker 1: also point to possible tricken noses from eating undercooked pork um,
Speaker 1: and he had been having really terrible headaches near his
Speaker 1: his death, and they attribute that to possibly having been
Speaker 1: a subdural hematoma. Now, Mozart was not the only eighteenth
Speaker 1: century figure that was worried about aquata fauna. Pope Clement
Speaker 1: the fourteenth lived his final year in fairly poor health,
Speaker 1: with depression and also a fear of assassination. In fact,
Speaker 1: following his death in seventeen seventy four, rumors circulated that
Speaker 1: he had indeed been poisoned ultimately, though an autopsy determined
Speaker 1: that he had died of natural causes. So julius legacy
Speaker 1: is clearly kind of an interesting one. While her life
Speaker 1: story is often billed as a tale of a woman
Speaker 1: who killed more than six hundred men, when you look
Speaker 1: more closely, what emerges is the case that looks a
Speaker 1: little bit more like she she felt she had a
Speaker 1: personal calling in helping women out of abusive situations. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always wonder if it goes back to her mother
Speaker 1: and whatever was going on in that marriage. I wonder
Speaker 1: that too, And we will never know what the truth
Speaker 1: was there. Uh. And certainly we don't have hard evidence
Speaker 1: regarding whether all of her clients were after akwatafauna or
Speaker 1: they really just needed her assistance with fine lines and wrinkles.
Speaker 1: It's not as though we have some handy dandy dust
Speaker 1: statistic tables regarding fatalities in Rome in the mid seventeenth century,
Speaker 1: categorized by sex and cause of death that we could
Speaker 1: use to compare her story against. But we can look
Speaker 1: at some modern statistics. As we look at Julia's story,
Speaker 1: like the fact that, according to the National Coalition Against
Speaker 1: Domestic Violence, twenty people in the United States are physically
Speaker 1: abused by an intimate partner per minute per minute. Like,
Speaker 1: stop and let that sink in for a second. It's
Speaker 1: just into the United States, and it's not a problem
Speaker 1: just in the United States. According to the World Health Organization,
Speaker 1: around the world, almost of women, it's a third of
Speaker 1: all women globally who have been in a relationship report
Speaker 1: that they have experienced some form of violence by their
Speaker 1: internet partner in their lifetime. That is literally just the
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg when considering the modern domestic violence story.
Speaker 1: But when you think about that and all of the
Speaker 1: ramifications of it, it starts to become even clearer why
Speaker 1: Julia Tafauna emerges as a sort of folk hero in
Speaker 1: some modern tellings of her story. And that's even with
Speaker 1: so many gaps in terms of details about her life
Speaker 1: and work, you can still see where the fascination comes
Speaker 1: from and why the idea of a woman who was
Speaker 1: kind of a badass becomes even more compelling when the
Speaker 1: possibility is introduced that she was using her skills and
Speaker 1: knowledge of botany and pharmacology to offer a means of empowerment.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be illegal, to be sure, to the
Speaker 1: women of the seventeenth century in Rome. Yeah, Julia, and
Speaker 1: I know you love her. I love Julia because I
Speaker 1: really she stood out to me as being one of
Speaker 1: these women who we absolutely needed to keep on our
Speaker 1: list because she wasn't in it for the politics of anything.
Speaker 1: She seemed to be truly involved in this for the
Speaker 1: benefit of other women, and that that's just cool. Hey, Holly,
Speaker 1: what's your poison this week? Well? Uh, this is actually
Speaker 1: I feel like it should be your poison because you
Speaker 1: pointed out this recipe to me. Oh and the Italian
Speaker 1: Sicilian is of it is is kind of heavy as well,
Speaker 1: right right, You pointed me at a recipe for a
Speaker 1: cocktail called a pimpanilla, which because I had to click
Speaker 1: on that, right, and how could you not? Uh So,
Speaker 1: this particular cocktail features one point five ounces of grappa,
Speaker 1: an ounce of freshly squeezed lime juice, three quarters of
Speaker 1: an ounce of Annas syrup, and one quarter of announce
Speaker 1: of Saint germains. So there's also a lot of accoutremal
Speaker 1: in the original recipe. There's some really fancy pants unicorn
Speaker 1: Um salt for the rim that you can make that
Speaker 1: is a lemon rosemary salt. I did not do that.
Speaker 1: I went the simple route. I also didn't like garnish
Speaker 1: it with an Annis pod, and I didn't even though
Speaker 1: I have a beautiful rosemary bush right outside my front door.
Speaker 1: Did I go out and get one to arnish it with? No?
Speaker 1: I did not. I just wanted to get it in
Speaker 1: the shaker and go to town. I expected to hate
Speaker 1: this cocktail. I know you did. Like everything about this
Speaker 1: cocktail is everything that I like, and I'm not the
Speaker 1: way you're drank it, right. It's one of those things where, um,
Speaker 1: I mean my my proclivities are usually towards something kind
Speaker 1: of like soft and light. I don't like a particularly
Speaker 1: fancy drink usually, like my go to is vodka and
Speaker 1: diet coke. I'm a very basic person. Now. Granted, if
Speaker 1: you don't like liquorice flavor because of the Annis, yes,
Speaker 1: not going to be your jam, right. But it was
Speaker 1: delightful And I love the Chair Liquorice Girl as well
Speaker 1: well because the lime juice, the Annis and then the
Speaker 1: Saint Germain is the magic trick like it it is
Speaker 1: the thing that holds the whole thing together and like
Speaker 1: takes all of the things, the characteristics of each of
Speaker 1: the spirits or ingredients that you wouldn't enjoy, and it
Speaker 1: just makes them kiss each other in a nice little way. Now,
Speaker 1: is that that's elderflower, isn't it It is? That's another
Speaker 1: one that's going to go into regular rotation at the fryhouse. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The pimpanella. If you just google that, you're going to
Speaker 1: get this recipe and it's quite yummy. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: I like that they call it a sprints. It's a sprints.
Speaker 1: It's a sprints. It is. It's for you know, to
Speaker 1: pretend that you're in Italy enjoying a beautiful, beautiful sunny day.
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