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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and my name

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Speaker 1: is Christian Seger. We have kind of like a unofficial

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Speaker 1: series of episodes that we've been doing over the course

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Speaker 1: of the last two years that are related to various

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Speaker 1: Asian cultures and death and uh, this is another one

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Speaker 1: of those. So we've talked about ghost burial before, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about Chinese immortality. Uh. And then this is also

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Speaker 1: slightly connected to the episode that we did on or

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Speaker 1: maybe it was two episodes on mummification. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've done two, maybe more. I know that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about exploring more and more of the mummification cultures

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Speaker 1: u throughout the world. I know what it is. We

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Speaker 1: we discussed Japanese custom in an episode. Yeah. Oh, and

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Speaker 1: then there's also the monks. They have, the self mummifying monks. Yes,

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Speaker 1: those guys. That's the other one. So this is along

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Speaker 1: those lines. Today we're gonna be talking about jade burial suits.

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Speaker 1: And once I got done researching this, my first thought

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Speaker 1: was this would be a far cooler way to make

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Speaker 1: a new mummy franchise. They've been showing the trailers constantly

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Speaker 1: for that new Mummy movie with Tom Cruise that's coming

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Speaker 1: out this summer, and it looks awful. And I think

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Speaker 1: that this would be a cool mummy like this Mummy

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Speaker 1: in this giant suit of jade armor coming at you.

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Speaker 1: That would be so much fun. Yeah, because you look

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Speaker 1: at the images of this, and there should be an

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Speaker 1: image of one of these suits of jade burial armor

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Speaker 1: on the landing page for this episode. It's deffitably your

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Speaker 1: mind dot com. It's uh, it looks kind of like

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Speaker 1: the villain in that first Thor movie, you know, that

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Speaker 1: big suit of animate armor that he fought Destroyer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looks kind of like the Destroyer. It's it's beautiful

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Speaker 1: and indeed, I could see an Eastern Mummy franchise. It's

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Speaker 1: really having some fun with this. Yeah. De being said,

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Speaker 1: I did not see the Eastern Mummy entry like the

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Speaker 1: third or fourth Mummy film that came out. Oh did

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Speaker 1: they do something like that already? Did? Oh? I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I having not seen it. I

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Speaker 1: can't speak for the mummy design. However, I know there's

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Speaker 1: a scene where yet he's attack, So I do kind

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Speaker 1: of want to watch it for that. Huh. I had

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Speaker 1: no idea that even existed. This is like from the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties Mummy franchise with a scorpion king and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one was post scorpion king. And that's about all

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Speaker 1: I know about. Okay, Well, maybe we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: one on trailer talk when we do a Facebook live

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Speaker 1: about these episodes this week. So in this episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going we're going to be exploring a practice that that

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Speaker 1: is tied directly to the Western Han dynasty and we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you out there are not

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Speaker 1: gonna have a real firm handle on the dynastic Chinese history.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. We're going to root all that where it

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Speaker 1: needs to be placed in the in the timeline a shortly.

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Speaker 1: But these suits are you know, we can call them

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Speaker 1: In Mandarin, they're sometimes referred to as you shah, which

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Speaker 1: are jade caskets, or sometimes u y which are jade garments.

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Speaker 1: And it is essentially a stone garment if you think

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Speaker 1: probably a great place to start. Really, let's just discuss

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Speaker 1: what jade is before we pile on it's supernatural connotations

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Speaker 1: and then get into Chinese history. Alright, So jade is

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Speaker 1: essentially an ornamental green rock. Everyone has probably seen something

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Speaker 1: be made of jade. But then what does that even mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of fake jade. There's those um, I forget what

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Speaker 1: or um threads, and they've got a piece of jade

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Speaker 1: or or personal adornment. And uh. The interesting thing here though,

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Speaker 1: the stuff that the Chinese worked with during the Han dynasty,

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Speaker 1: jade armor, they're made using nef right, not jadeite. Now. Jadite,

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Speaker 1: made with water, grease, and sand, and then iron tools

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Speaker 1: have these various missions. They'd fight monsters from Chinese mythology. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was fun. Aesthetically so there's probably a little jade

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Speaker 1: So we should probably discuss what it's supernatural powers were

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Speaker 1: thought to be. We've we've given a brief overview of

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Speaker 1: its physical properties. Certainly you can go in deeper if

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of great information out there about jade

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Speaker 1: if that's your thing. As as far as supernatural qualities go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: jade was believed to have protective and preservative qualities, warding

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Speaker 1: some believe jade darkens as the wearer gets richer, this

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Speaker 1: picket poorer. So it's kind of like a mood ring

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Speaker 1: uh where they stand, you just take a peek of

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Speaker 1: their jade. Now, it's also worth pointing out that in

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Speaker 1: note that Dallas alchemists as well put put an emphasis

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Speaker 1: jade inserted into the nine orifices prevented corpses from decaying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I read this and I went, I had to

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Speaker 1: for the river Sharon. But yeah, this is obviously different mythology,

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Speaker 1: And this is the idea here, is that this protects

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Speaker 1: past episodes on exorcism, this would be a good one

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Speaker 1: In terms of other associations, uh, some traditional Chinese medicine

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Speaker 1: and then sometimes the casket collapses as well on top

425
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: of it, so everything has to be put back together.

426
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: Now you actually have seen one, right, Uh? Yeah, I

427
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: think I've seen a couple. But the one that I

428
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: got to see in China is the one that impressed

429
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: me the most. It was at the Museum of the

430
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: Western Han Dynasty, Mausoleum of the Nanyu King and Guang Show.

431
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: So I was there with my wife, my my my

432
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: newly acquired son. He was not impressed at all. As

433
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: I strolled him around in the stroke he was like

434
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: two or three, he was like he was one and

435
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: a half. He was not having any of it. But

436
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: but the tumb was was really impressive for me anyway. Uh.

437
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: It was a hidden twenty meters at six ft underground

438
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: and the king himself was covered with with a with

439
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: a silk and two thousand, two d ninety one pieces

440
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: of jade to compose his suit, and the whole tomb

441
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: really had the feel of just a cosmic vessel, and

442
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: that this was the suit of a of a necronot

443
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, yeah, but very much in keeping with

444
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: with the feeling that I get from from any kind

445
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: of Egyptian artifacts. Now a number of other such jade

446
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: suits accompanied by hordes of silks, lacquer ware, figurines, and bronzes.

447
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: You'll find these displayed in many Chinese museums. Uh. They

448
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: turn up, as you pointed out, in an international collections

449
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: and traveling exhibits h and A Night three count from

450
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: the Institute of Archaeology and Beijing claimed ten thousand Han

451
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: tombs had been discovered, and this resulted in twenty tombs

452
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: with twenty three jade suit remain. All right, we're gonna

453
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then when we come back,

454
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: we'll jump right back into it. All right, we're back.

455
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I was reading was

456
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: that at the time that these were being made, and

457
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: this goes along with our episode on Egyptian mummification. I mean,

458
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: this was a process. It wasn't just like they had

459
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: jade's suits ready to go right. Um. These suits would

460
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: have taken the most skilled of jade smith's over ten

461
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: years to make. So they were either building them before

462
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: the person died or the person died, they were probably

463
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: embombed in some way, and then the suit was built

464
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: around them ten years after they had passed away. Now,

465
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: as should be obvious from that ten thousand tombs twenty three,

466
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: jade's suit remains UH figure there. These were not for everybody.

467
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: These were specifically for members of the Han aristocracy, because ultimately,

468
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: who else is going to afford a low luxury burial

469
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: item like this UH the the work Juhans show or

470
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: the Book of the lay or Han. The Chinese court

471
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: document from this time explained that your your rank determined

472
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: what sort of jade's suit you were well suited for. UH.

473
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: Emperors had gold threaded jade suits, vassal kings, high ranking

474
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: imperial concubines and princesses had jade suits with silver thread,

475
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: and dowager concupines and sisters of the emperor lesser aristocrats

476
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: had suits with copper threat. I wouldn't be offended to

477
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: wear a copper one, No I would. I would. I'd

478
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: be happy with with with copper or kin. If anybody

479
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: needs a dowager concubine, call me now. Sometimes there were

480
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: added decorations. Emperor Woo's suit was decorated with imagery of

481
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: the flood dragon and other sacred creatures, and this is

482
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: referred to as the flood dragon jade suit, but a

483
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: lot of them are going to be you know, featureless

484
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: polished jade. Yeah. One thing to remember here too, is

485
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: like we're thrown down in terms of gold and silver

486
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: and copper, is that jade was more valuable in China

487
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 1: then gold or silver was in the West and jade crafting,

488
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, it achieved its height during the

489
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: reign of Emperor Chien long Uh, and that was from

490
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty six to seventeen nineve CE. He actually made

491
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: all jade in the country his private property, and the

492
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: idea was that if anybody tried to trade jade, it

493
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: was punishable by death because he he owned it all,

494
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not it was actually in his possession.

495
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Now this ties in nicely with the next point, and

496
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: that's that evidence supports the theory that this was a

497
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: There was probably a centralized place or a couple of

498
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: places for manufacturing these suits. Um artisans would work on

499
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: what was again essentially a luxury item, So you can't

500
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: just go anywhere and get a jade suit, and um

501
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: and while these they still couldn't today, Yeah, I mean,

502
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: unless unless you know a guy. Um. It's also worth

503
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: noting that while these items were for specific members of

504
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: Han aristocracy, there were violations, including an account and this

505
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: was shared in a in a paper that will will

506
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: side in the landing page by Jeffrey Ko and Yang

507
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Joe Shing. And this was the tale of a eunuch

508
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: named Joo Jong who secretly buried his father in a

509
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: jade suit. But then he was found out, and so

510
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: the casket was opened up uh and um and busted out,

511
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: and his entire family was imprisoned for the for the

512
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: for the crime. Think about that, I mean, like, given

513
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: how difficult these things are to make, Like somehow you

514
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: secretly had one of those, made you bury your dad

515
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: in it, and then you're found out and caught and

516
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: just like utterly punished for it. That's that's that's a story, yeah,

517
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and it shows how how how important all

518
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: of this was to the culture at the time. You know,

519
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: this was this is not just you couldn't just be

520
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: frivolous and get a jade suit. No, the jade suit

521
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: was for particular members of society and to violate uh,

522
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: those those societal divisions. Was was a dire matter. Now

523
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier how in the in the late nineteen

524
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: fifties you had this hypothesis these little jade pieces everyone

525
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: was finding, we're, we're, we're bits of a jade suit.

526
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: But that it wasn't until night when they found those

527
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: two tombs and heavy. This is when we actually had evidence.

528
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: We actually had two complete, recovered and ultimately restored suits

529
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: of jade armor and UH. In particular, they were lushing

530
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: printaging of the Kingdom of jeong Shan. So this was

531
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: the son of the Western Han Emperor Jing and his

532
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: consort dal Juan. Now, while their bodies were undisturbed, the

533
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: corpses had collapsed, the casket had collapsed, but everything was

534
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: still in place. He had gold thread, she had silk.

535
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: His suit contained two thousand four jade pieces, hers contained

536
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: at two thousand, one hundred sixty And in both suits,

537
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: the only the outer surfaces were polished and the inner

538
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: surfaces were scarred by circular cutting tools and straight edge tools,

539
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: the very tools that you referred to earlier for the

540
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: shaping of jade. Yeah, and while the jade you know,

541
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: didn't protect their bodies from decomposition as was thought. The

542
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: porous rock that was actually in this this I guess

543
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: cave is the best way to describe it did have

544
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: absorbed of capabilities. When they were found in nineteen archaeologists

545
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: had to work through get this two brick walls and

546
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: a thick plate of molten iron that had been poured

547
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: between them. And this is obviously because of how bad

548
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: the grave robbing thing had become and and partially why

549
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: this one was hadn't been robbed yet, you know. Uh,

550
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: So they had to work their way through this. Lu

551
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Sheng's body had those jade plugs that we talked about earlier.

552
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: He had him in his nose, ears, and mouth, and

553
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: then the little jade shields for his eyes. They also

554
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: each had guilt bronze headrests that were inlaid with jade,

555
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: and they held jade crescents in their hand. Now, the

556
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: coffin that was found on the floor that was made

557
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: of four thousand pieces of jade, and it had just

558
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: completely fallen apart into a pile on the Tumbe floor.

559
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: There were also lots of sculptures. As we mentioned earlier,

560
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: they they've they've placed lots of little items around too

561
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: that we're also made of jade, including those of a Bixie,

562
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: which was a mythological powerful winged beast that averted evil,

563
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: and I included a picture in here. It's kind of

564
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a dragon. It's like a cross

565
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: between like a dragon and a dog with it's got wings. Yeah.

566
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to do like a full exploration as

567
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: if such a thing were possible, of of Chinese dragons,

568
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: because there's so many different varieties and there are a

569
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of things where you look at them and you think, oh, well,

570
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: that's a dragon or that's kind of a dragon turtle.

571
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: But they all have very particular identities and symbol and

572
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: symbolic power like you would and it would depend where

573
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you would want to engrave one or include a statue

574
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: of one, if you would protect certain certain structures. You know.

575
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: I think I pronounced that pinion wrong too, because I

576
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: just went with Bixie because it looks like it rhymes

577
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: with pixie, but I think it's supposed to be be

578
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: she Okay, So I look at it looks like a

579
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Bixie when I can imagine his name Dambixie. It Hey,

580
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: there's the pokemon of their time. I mean, this thing

581
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: looks pretty cool. It's it's kind of like a fat

582
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: chested dragon dog. Indeed, Now, obviously, when we when we

583
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: look at the jade burial suits, we're looking at the

584
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: convergence of two different customs, burial in armor and the

585
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: sacred use of jade. So there are plenty of examples

586
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: of of of just normal decorative armor suits that were

587
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: worn by bodies prior to this. And uh, the actually

588
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: the prince that we just referred to, I believe he

589
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: was buried with a suit of armor. Uh, and the

590
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: suit of armor was actually a more modern design, but

591
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: he was but that was just included with him, and

592
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: he was actually buried, of course in the jade armor.

593
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Now my understanding is these two in particular that we're

594
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: referring to, these are the ones that are touring around

595
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: the world and you can see them in various museum locations. Yes,

596
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: I believe so. Alright, so you're probably wondering, well, then,

597
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: what happens to the jade suits Like this is a

598
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: pretty fantastic to issue. Why does it fade away? Why

599
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: does something so rich and so ornate just vanish? And

600
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: the answer is interesting that the answering. The answer has

601
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: to do with all of those plundered tombs. It's all

602
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: about grave robbing. Yeah, and this was fascinating and disturbing

603
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: as well when we read what the the the the

604
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: the tomb raiders would do with the suits when they

605
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: pilfered them. Yeah, there were more than two dozen suits

606
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: that have been discovered since nine eight. But the reason

607
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: why there aren't more is because in a d. Two

608
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three, Emperor when of Way, ordered that

609
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: the production of them had to be stopped because of

610
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: so much looting. And what would happen is these looters

611
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: would go in and they would burn the suits solely

612
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: so they could retrieve the gold thread that was within.

613
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: They didn't care about the jade. And as you pointed

614
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: out off air, well, if you had these little pieces

615
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: of jade that were perfectly cut down to make a suit,

616
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: you can't go sell that on the black market because

617
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: somebody is gonna know, oh, oh, this must have come

618
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: from the specific suit, from the specific prints. But gold

619
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: you can melt down in turn and whatever you want,

620
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: so you can always come up with a story about

621
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: that gold. But those jade pieces were clearly stolen from

622
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: an important person's body and you might as well just

623
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: walk around with a sign and Mandarin that says execute

624
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: me now. You You refer back earlier to the poorest

625
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: nature of the jade, and there is this this idea

626
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: that is put out there that even though the jade

627
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: does not have any magical body preserving properties, and you know,

628
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: despite the fact that no soft tissue has been been

629
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: found preserved by these funeral rights, uh, it has been

630
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: suggested that this the poorest nature of the stone itself

631
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: might actually preserve some genetic material and that you know,

632
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: d NA might be found intermixed with the jade. A

633
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: lot of accounts of this notion refer back to a

634
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: piece of title Immortal Jade by Sherry uh to Lynco

635
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: and this was published in the Canadian Medical Journal. But

636
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, there's been no actual evidence for this

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Speaker 1: thus far. Okay, but I could see why it would

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Speaker 1: be an interesting avenue of research, Like there's some possibilities

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Speaker 1: for genealogical research, especially you know, you mentioned the Han

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Speaker 1: ethnic group earlier. Related to that, that could be some

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Speaker 1: interesting stuff if you're looking at DNA samples. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the problems there is that is that

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Speaker 1: that we do have uh tombs and graves from the

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Speaker 1: Han dynasty that we're able to study and get genetic

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Speaker 1: information from. So it's not like these would be the

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Speaker 1: one place we would find it. Yeah, and this so

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Speaker 1: this leads into my I know I mentioned this earlier,

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Speaker 1: but it's just it seems really weirdly offensive that these

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Speaker 1: relics are kind of pulled out of where they were kept,

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Speaker 1: trotted out across the world and displayed in museums. I

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Speaker 1: remember the High Museum here in Atlanta had the terra

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Speaker 1: Cotta warriors a couple of years years ago, and they

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Speaker 1: were very cool. But the so my understanding was those

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Speaker 1: Terracatta warriors were buried with, you know, someone very much

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Speaker 1: like these Jade's suits were, and I felt similar then.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I suppose if they didn't do this,

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Speaker 1: the tombs would eventually be looted by somebody. But to me,

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Speaker 1: I guess the idea more along the lines of what

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Speaker 1: you saw when you were in China is you go

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Speaker 1: to the actual site itself and you see them that

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Speaker 1: is at least like sort of compromising. You're allowing them

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Speaker 1: to keep these suits that they uh that they believed

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Speaker 1: we're going to protect them in the afterlife. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess this gets to do a more complicated issue

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Speaker 1: and and and it it's gonna vary, you know, from

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Speaker 1: culture to culture and depending how far back in time

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Speaker 1: you're going. Because I it this instantly makes me think

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Speaker 1: back to when I was at the Field Museum in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Instantly we went up there for C two e two

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Speaker 1: and Joe and I went over there, and they have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful Native American section, a lot of it devoted

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Speaker 1: to Northwest coast, a Native pe bowls and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they have masks, they have costumes, details about their various

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Speaker 1: you know, rich um spiritual traditions. But there's a section

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Speaker 1: that they've completely um marked off. You can't see into

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Speaker 1: it anymore because they're display depicts, uh important artifacts from

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Speaker 1: their funeral rights. So okay, yeah, okay. So somewhere along

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Speaker 1: the line, like maybe that tribe and its current iteration

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Speaker 1: said we're uncomfortable with this, please don't do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's like a current people saying this is we

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Speaker 1: find this to be disrespectful, needs to be handled in

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Speaker 1: a more appropriate manner. I'd be curious if there's if

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Speaker 1: there's anyone in China who feels that way about this stuff,

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Speaker 1: or if it's just kind of like they've moved past

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Speaker 1: that uh veneration for this particular dynasty and they're okay

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Speaker 1: with you know, sending them around the world and having

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Speaker 1: them looked at because I guess in a way it

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Speaker 1: spreads Chinese culture. Yeah, yeah, it's curious. Well, if you're

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Speaker 1: a listener out there and you have any idea, maybe

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Speaker 1: you've lived in China or your Chinese yourself, please let

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Speaker 1: us know. I'd be curious indeed. So so there you

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Speaker 1: have it. Hopefully we've provided a decent snapshot of another

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Speaker 1: just really interesting funeral tradition, uh A an artistic tradition,

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Speaker 1: a time period, a little about the mineral and the

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Speaker 1: possibility of some sort of genetic material actually being preserved

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Speaker 1: by this, uh this supernaturally infused funeral. Right now, I

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Speaker 1: guess some people are probably thinking that I'm a bit

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Speaker 1: of a hypocrite because I started off the episode saying

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Speaker 1: I would love to see a movie about a jade

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Speaker 1: burial suited mummy, But at the same time I kind

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Speaker 1: of am uncomfortable about actually looking at the real thing. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd be curious if you If you've got

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Speaker 1: any information about this that we missed, please let us know.

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Speaker 1: some pictures that would be cool. Uh do you wear jade?

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Speaker 1: If you wear, let's share any kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: supernatural ideas that you carry around with it. And then

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