1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: From the Toyota patio here at SOFI Stadium side of 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Week thirteen, Between the Cleveland Browns and you were Los 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Angeles Rams. Hello and welcome to Between the Horns. Persented 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: about your southern California Toyota dealers. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm JB. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Long with my friends and colleagues, Maurice Jones, Drew and 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: DeMarco far I. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Got it this time. I didn't miss it. Okay, wait, 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: what did I miss? Yeah, we missed last time. See 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: that you left them hang out? Yeah, there, you missed 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: last time. I had no idea you did that. Now 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: it's done, let's move on. Okay there. 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: I was impressed with your adjustment on the fly, Morris. 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: That was my favorite part of that. Whether or not 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: DeMarco did it intentionally, it's still up for us social 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: media debate. We can revisit that. But we're going to 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: get to a lot in this episode. The latest on 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: the Browns who are practicing at Maurice Jones Drew's alma mater. 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: You let them into your crib. They have dtr Okay. 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: They have felt they have They have a couple of 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: guys Ula bruins there, so yeah, they you know, they 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: did that I didn't have the keys. 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Well, try and parse out what takeaways we can extract 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: from that victory in Arizona. Beating the Cardinals is one thing. 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Taking on the ASC North, as the Rams will do 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: twice in the next eight days, something completely different. And 27 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: then we're gonna dig into the running game. The Rams 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: are set up, I think, to run the ball as 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: efficiently as they've been able to since. 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: Todd Todd Yeah, Todd Gurley, Yeah, So why is that? 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: How are they doing it? The similarities and differences and 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: what it means for the playoff push. Welcome to December, guys, 33 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: were about to flip the calendar meaningful football in December. 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: The season starts after Thanksgiving. You know the cliches. Is 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: that where we are? 36 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, pushing p pushing playoffs. Yeah, yeah, that's what it's 37 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: all about. I think this is the time of the 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 3: year right after Thanksgiving. Great teams separate themselves from good teams. 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: Good teams start to separate rate themselves from bad teams, 40 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: and you start to kind of see the league really 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: shape form and kind of take shape of what is 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: going to be. 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: We thought coming out of the by that's six and 44 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: two was the mark to get that felt a little 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: bit daun team, But now that you've swept Seattle, you've 46 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: swept Arizona four and two, seems very reasonable. Maybe we 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: need to adjust the RAM sites even higher. You know, 48 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: this is fun. 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: I think this is where the season really starts for 50 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: a lot of football teams. I mean at the beginning. 51 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: I mean it depends on what type of athletes you 52 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: have and what type of you know, what type of 53 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: momentum you have coming off the season before. But now, 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 2: I mean you're all banged up, guys are trying to 55 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: figure it out. You know who you are as a 56 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: football team and how your bread is going to be buttered. 57 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: So who can do it best on game day is 58 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: going to win these games coming down the stretch. But yeah, 59 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: I think every game, every game left on the RAMS 60 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: schedule is entirely winnable as long as you play like 61 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: you did in Arizona. And I could care less about 62 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: the opponent. Arizona is Arizona. They got their own issues. 63 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: But when you're running the football the way you ran it, 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: and you were throwing off play action, and your defense 65 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: is getting off the field and getting pressure on the quarterback, 66 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: you can beat just about anybody or at least take 67 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: some good teams to the fourth quarter. So right now, 68 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: I think this is the best time for the Rams 69 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: to hit their stride so they can make that playoff push. 70 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: All right, quick word on the NSC picture as one 71 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: of the biggest games in terms of the Rams implications 72 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: is about to kick off in Dallas. Well, the Seahawks 73 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: free fall that the Rams started continue against the Cowboys, 74 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: we shall see. The other big one this weekend is 75 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Kansas City going to Lambo to take on the Green 76 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. If we say the top five are pretty solid, 77 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: like four teams plus whoever wins the South, then you're 78 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: really looking at the six and the seven spots. And 79 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: whereas we thought maybe it was the Minnesota Vikings a 80 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: week or two ago, now all of a sudden, Dobs 81 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Row's for interceptions and they lose to the Bears at home, 82 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and Green Bay is surging thanks to their victory over 83 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: the Rams head to head. So I think it's personally, 84 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: I think it's the Vikings and the Seahawks. The Rams 85 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: have to overtake because the Packers' schedule is very favorable 86 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: after Kansas City and they have the head to head 87 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: over the Rams. 88 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really felt like that was a game that 89 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: there was Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, but the Green Bay game is 90 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: the one that really like set sour with me, right, 91 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: because you just don't know what's gonna happen with them, 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they hit their stride and 93 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: Jordan loves throwing for three hundred yards or beating Detroit 94 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: at home. 95 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: And it's just like that was a game that was 96 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: a winnable game. 97 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: And so when you have those type of games, now 98 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, how do we position ourselves? 99 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Now? 100 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: You hope they do have a favorable schedule. You just 101 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: hope that they don't play as well down the stretch. 102 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: But if you're the Rams, you're trying to figure out 103 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: a way to just hop in because I think if 104 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: you do hop in, and let's say you have to 105 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: play Detroit or you have to play uh San Francisco, 106 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: San Francisco back to back, right, you have an opportunity there. 107 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: You're a familiar foe and I think you you match 108 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: up better against the Detroit Lions, which I allow you 109 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: to move further than the dance. 110 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: And Seattle's got their own issues. They got San Franz twice, right, plus. 111 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Philly lost to San freand on Thanksgiving San Franz nout Dallas, Right, 112 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and San Francisco again next. 113 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So all the Rams have to do, in my opinion, 114 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: is take care of their own business, and I think 115 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: the rest of the stuff will happen. You just have 116 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: to be there when the door opens. So you can't 117 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: drop winnable games like we were talking about in Cincinnati 118 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: and Pittsburgh. I think Cleveland is entirely beatable because they 119 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: got quarterback situations. So come out, play your best game, 120 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: get that dub, and see what the rest of the 121 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: league does. You'll have a shot to make the playoffs. 122 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: See far. 123 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you to elaborate on what you started 124 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: on a couple of minutes ago, which is never apologize 125 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: for defeating an inferior opponent in the National Football League. 126 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: Beating the Cardinals is what the Rams do best. They 127 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: sweep him again here in twenty twenty three. But aside 128 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: from the final score, Aside from that victory, what are 129 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: some true takeaways that you saw individually or collectively that 130 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: will play going into the month of day. 131 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: Iron Williams is better than advertised. He's better than what 132 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: we thought better than what I thought coming out of 133 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: training camp. I thought he was the third down back. 134 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be the answer to 135 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: cam Akers. Obviously that changed. But he can be a 136 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: bellcal back. He can be a guy that can lead 137 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: your football team and pace the offense, keep your defense 138 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: on the bench and get rest so they can come 139 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: out and take the field with full energy. So he 140 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: can be that guy he can catch out of the backfield. 141 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: The offensive line, the way it's constructed now is the 142 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: best five I'm sure of this. Now. They're getting better, 143 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: especially running the football. Their combo blocks are great, and 144 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, if he has a credible, incompetent running game, 145 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: there's almost a throw he can't make because the defense 146 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: has to worry so much about stopping the run first, 147 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: you forget about him, and he can launch the ball 148 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: from any launch points. So that is the best Rams football. 149 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: That is RAM Football twenty twenty three. Running the football 150 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: behind kyn and letting Matthew Stafford pick you apart on 151 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: play action. 152 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: It should have been more than thirty seven. I mean 153 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: they beat them soundly. It could have been forty seven. 154 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: It felt like to me for a lot of the 155 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: reasons you just described, and it could have been forty 156 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: seven with Pookinakua and Cooper Cup only getting eight catches 157 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: for forty five yards. Like, to me, that's the truest 158 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: sign of how far the Rams have come offensively but collectively, 159 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: that those two, that dynamic duo can impact the game, 160 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: certainly paving the way for a big day for Kyron 161 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: on the ground, but not really through the air. And 162 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: yet the Rams never had it in doubt. 163 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: I thought watching that game, it was like, where is 164 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup right? Where is pookinako And then you'll get 165 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: a catch here or there. But I have Tyler higg 166 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: We talked about this on the broadcast, to have Tyler 167 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: Higbee show up, to have the Running Game show up 168 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: to two at well shows up, all these other guys, Now, 169 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: who do you as a defense? And DeMarco please answered, 170 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: who do you stop? Like when you go into a 171 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: game plan. I remember being in the league and Jack 172 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: Dereil saying, look, these are our game breakers. 173 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: This is what we need to stop to slow them down. 174 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: What is it in this situation when you have all 175 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: these weapons, a quarterback throwing the ball, running game, screen 176 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: game going who do you stop? 177 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: Well, the only issue and it's coming up with Cleveland, 178 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: and it depends on if Miles Garrett is healthy. That's 179 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: the only thing Arizona didn't have. They didn't have that 180 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: one joker that could just absolutely beat your protection and 181 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: get the stafford and ruin everything run and pass. So 182 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: this will be different Arizona. We said this before. They 183 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: don't have a lot of fang on their defense. They 184 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: really can't get after you. Cleveland can. They can get 185 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: after you. So you're gonna have to run the football 186 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: effectively to keep that off balance, and when it's an 187 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: obvious passing situation, get the ball out quick because these 188 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: guys can get home more so than last week. 189 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: How important was it then to put some good screen 190 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: game on film for them to maybe cool off that 191 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: pass rush at touch? 192 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: Boy, weren't you guys happy and surprised to see that happening. 193 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: It was more of an I think the Rams have 194 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: done a pretty good job trying to get to the 195 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: screen game. It's just defenses have played the screen game 196 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: so well against the Rams. Arizona just could not do that. 197 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: The screen got opened. Once you start opening that door, 198 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: there's almost nothing you can do defensively. I mean, you 199 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: are really out there just hanging on for dear life. 200 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: If we rush too hard screen, if we don't they 201 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: run the football, how do we stop this? And if 202 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: you don't have a guy like I said that can 203 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: just disrupt like Aaron disrupt what he wants to buy himself, 204 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: you almost have no chance against this offense. 205 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: I was going to say this too, Sean McVay has 206 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: done really well against Jim Schwartz. 207 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: Isn't that we haven't? 208 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: Like he's done really well. And I don't think Jim's 209 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: gonna come in and say, well, I'm gonna run something 210 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: completely different than I ran in Philly all those years, 211 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: And no, he's gonna come in and run his stuff. 212 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: So you have a plan that's been successful against his plan. 213 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 3: The question is is that Jimmy and Jos can't you 214 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: slow down? Miles Garrett? 215 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: Oh boy? 216 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 4: Can you? 217 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: You know? 218 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: Obogaronqua, can you kind of take his finger out of 219 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: the way as you're going? 220 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: And I think they can. 221 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: Because of the way they're running the football. If you 222 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: have to stop the run as a defensive lineman, that 223 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: takes it just takes energy. Yeah, no, no, it takes 224 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: Bliss is like a body blow, like you just lose 225 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: a little bit. So if you could find a way 226 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: to do that, I think, and we'll dive more into it. 227 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: I think the running game has been one of the 228 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: more important things the Rams have really been dedicated to 229 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: this season. 230 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: All right, before we get to that, you mentioned Schwartz. 231 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: There are a lot of fascinating connections in this game, 232 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Schwartz and Stafford being one of them. You mentioned Sean 233 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: mcvayh having some success against that Philadelphia defense. Last week's 234 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: win over Arizona was, in many regards advanced metrics, like 235 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: the most prolific offensive day the Rams have had since 236 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee's hat trick performance in twenty twenty in the 237 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: win against Schwartz. In that Philadelphia defense, I wouldn't have 238 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: guessed that, Like they outperformed so many good days for 239 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: the Rams offense, including many during that championship run in 240 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Again, it's the Cardinals, I get it, Yeah, 241 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: And the Browns and Shorts are different this week, But 242 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: if it's Flacco, it's Lafleur. Like, there's a lot of 243 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: layers to this onion that I'm looking Forget. 244 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: All about that was Stafford was there for the hard 245 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: handshake with Schwartz, right, and Harball was, Oh my god, 246 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: we should ask him about that. That's great stuff. 247 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 248 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: Fun. But Schwartz is going to do what he does. 249 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: He's gonna get up the field with those wide nines. 250 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: Denver had a field day with him, trapping them, got 251 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: field day. Russell Wilson had a field day on him. 252 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: They're gonna send pressure. Now here's a problem. I would 253 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: love to play in that defense. It is so much fun. 254 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: You play the run on the way to the passer. 255 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: That makes me happy. Right. The problem is you get 256 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: worn down or if you can't get off the field. 257 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 4: The problem is there's not many adjustments. 258 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, we're just running. Just rush harder. Yes, that's it. 259 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: To your previous question about coming off this game, like 260 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: what does your scattering report for the Rams offense look like? 261 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: Kyron Williams is the NFC Player of the Week on 262 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: offense and he was asked a question along those lines 263 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: like do you expect defenses to start loading up on you? 264 00:10:58,760 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: And here was his response. 265 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: I would have sacked other lifts. You know where the 266 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: NFL got great coaches, They obviously know what the game plan, 267 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 5: who the scheme against, and we got great players the offense. 268 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: It's not going to just meet up the. 269 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 5: Steam against scheme against. But we got other threats as 270 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: well as the receiver options, which allows me to be 271 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: able to probably give less attention. But you know, I 272 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 5: still quit excited for whatever is a com and I 273 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 5: hope they play man and they. 274 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: Do what they got to do for Yeah, I find 275 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: this topic fascinating for lots of reasons because defenses are 276 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: in fact not loading up on Kyron Williams, and I 277 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: don't want to steal any of his shine or any 278 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: of his credit, but I do think this week is 279 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: a little bit about kind of teasing out how much 280 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: credit does he deserve, how well is the offensive line playing, 281 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: how much is Sean mcvay's system helping him out. I'll 282 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: give you a few metrics more recent then you can 283 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of just give us your top to bottom view 284 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: on Kiren. He's averaging nearly two and a half yards 285 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: per first contact this year, highest some unqualifying backs. He's 286 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: also faced more light boxes seven or fewer defenders than 287 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: any qualifying running back in the league. So he's doing 288 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: a lot of things really well. And we'll talk about that. 289 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: But he's also playing in the perfect ecosystem for what 290 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: he does well. 291 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, and I've always said this. There's 292 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: not a great running back without a really good offensive 293 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: line in front of them. 294 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: I don't care where they're ranked. 295 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: You have to have an ability to not get touched 296 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 3: in the backfield. 297 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: At least. Let's just have zero so then I can 298 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: pick apart. 299 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: But if you're giving me two yards of space before 300 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: I have to make a cut or get hit, now, 301 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: did everything opens up for me? And this other thing 302 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: people may take away from Kyra and I and I 303 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: talked about it on the broadcast that the one thing 304 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: that he just lacked was just that home run hitting speed. 305 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: Right, it's hard to break. It's fifty six yards non 306 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: scoring run. 307 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's a fifty six yard non score, which 308 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: would have to call another play, right. 309 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: I want to say that driving into a field goal too, right. 310 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: So it's it's just it's that is the one thing 311 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: that you're gonna say that he lacks. But he has 312 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: everything else. Oh yeah, he has visions, short area of quickness, 313 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: he's tough, he picks up blitzes, he could catch out 314 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: of the backfield. He sets up blocks really well when 315 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: they run that duo block, and a lot of times 316 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: when the Rams to run the strets system, I used 317 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: to always question, like you just make it easier for 318 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: the defense because those gaps are just running to the sideline. 319 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: We're just running to the sideline, so you's got to 320 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 3: pitch your gaps. But when we're running downhill, all of 321 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: a sudden, that double team gets on that three technique. 322 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: Now that backer has to either pick the A gap 323 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: or the C gap. 324 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: And if you don't pick the and then normally pooking 325 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: the corps, someone's running into that S gap to pick the. 326 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: Other guy out. 327 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: So if you don't pick the right gap, or if 328 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: I set you up to jump one way and go 329 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: the other way, it's a home run. And that's what 330 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: we saw there in Arizona. So credit to that offensive line. 331 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: They're doing a great job the scheme. The fact that 332 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: Sean mcvays was willing to change his scheme right from 333 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: the outside zone something that he made well, he didn't 334 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: make so susceptible, but he brought here and it was 335 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: so successful early in his career to a bigger lineman, 336 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: a more downhill running game to fit the play action 337 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: pass off as quarterback to make is like all that 338 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: goes in the hand, and you have to have a 339 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: playmaker that forces the defense to want to allocate guys. 340 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: Into the box. After this week, we're gonna see if 341 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns are saying, you. 342 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: Know, a lot I'll say this a lot of teams 343 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: I've talked, they're like, well, Kyra Williams to beat us, 344 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: We're not gonna allow Cooper Cup. We're not gonna allow 345 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: Matthew Staff. We're not gonna allow uh pokin a coo 346 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 3: a beast. We're gonna we'll let them run the ball. Well, 347 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: now you see what happens. 348 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: So we're showing the ability and the patience and the willingness. 349 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: To take exactly so, now do you put more guys 350 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: in the box of which then and invertly does what 351 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: opens up what we what the Rams want to do anyway, 352 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: So again that the ability to have a guy like 353 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: kiro Williams to go out there and do that and 354 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: then have Roys Freeman come behind him and run the 355 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: exact same scheme. But now this guy is what sixty 356 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: pounds heavier, fifty pounds heavier, that is where you become 357 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: to me that that's the next level of this of 358 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: this twenty twenty three season is efficient running, right, And 359 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: that is so boring. 360 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 4: I know it's boring. It works so bad. 361 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Are you gonna tell me it's December it's getting cold. 362 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: No, yeah, not gonna tell you. That's where he's head. 363 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: I truly believe when you run efficiently it forces the 364 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: decordinator to because they're like quarterbacks. 365 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Like now, he's right. I hated to defend the run 366 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: when it starts to get I mean, you've been doing 367 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: this for a long time since training camp. You're gonna 368 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: have some awy's, especially up front your fingers. You got 369 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: scars everywhere, and you're trying to save it until you 370 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: get to game day. And the last thing you want 371 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: to do is be physical. You want to kind of 372 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: warm into it. So when you face the team that's 373 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: physical and running the football at you, it could take 374 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: a lot out of you. But I agree with Maurice, 375 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: and he was trying so nice because you know, Kyron 376 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: faces light boxes. Unlike Maurice, I didn't want to talk 377 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: about that because we had that conversation before the game. 378 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Like I love Marshall Folk. I love it. 379 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: I think he was one of the best. But he 380 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: never saw an eight man box in his life. 381 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: Oh come on, now, yes he did. 382 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: He did, because if he did, the Tory Holk running 383 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: up the scene by hisself. 384 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: Now that's the thing, right. So I Kyen the player 385 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: of the week. I think it's awesome, and I think 386 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: the way he's pacing this team has been great. But 387 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. If I'm a defense and I'm ready 388 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: to dedicate the eighth guy to stopping him, I still 389 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: think I can do it with seven. I think that's 390 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: been the problem. Like versus Arizona, you kind of work 391 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: into your respect of the offensive line in Kyra Williams, 392 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: and before you know it, he's got a buck twenty 393 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: and he's headed for more. So at some point we'll 394 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: start to see that eighth guy drop down and be 395 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: more consistent to take away the run. But here's the problem. 396 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: When you do, you're opening yourself up to Matthew Stafford exactly. 397 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: And which way would you want to die with Kyron 398 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: Williams or Matthew Stafford. I'd rather make Kyron have to 399 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: beat me versus Matthew Stafford. That is almost a certainty. 400 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: We're still learning about this. 401 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: And I was going to say, it's just kind of 402 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: like the quarterback right when you're playing a defense, you're 403 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: playing that soft cover, two shell, you're forcing him to check. 404 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: The ball down. 405 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, eventually he's going to be getting fed up and 406 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: just want to just throw the ball right. 407 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: But he didn't last week. 408 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: That's what was so impressive is even their play action game, 409 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: they were saying the Cardinals kept playing it deep to 410 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: short right, so a lot of his throws were at 411 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: or even behind the line of scrimmage and they were 412 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: still going for first down. 413 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: No, no, no question. 414 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: He had the interception where he kind of tried to 415 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: get the ball down the field, but just very similar 416 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: to a defensive coordinator. Yeah, if you allow, like you said, 417 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: if you're like, we're just going to play a two 418 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: shell defense and a light box and we'll see if 419 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: he can do it against us. And you look up 420 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: and he has one hundred and twenty yards or he's 421 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: on his way to a honey bun. All of a sudden, 422 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: you gonna be like, hey, put those guys about to 423 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: start sitting run boats. 424 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that opens up and so late in that 425 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: game in Arizona. 426 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: When they got in the ty red you started to 427 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 3: see those guys drop down in the box and it 428 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: opened up. That's why Matthew Stafford ended up having a 429 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: four touchdown day because they started putting more guys in 430 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: the box and they were they were that play action 431 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: passed at Tyler. 432 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 4: Higby early in the game, the first one, I want 433 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 4: to say, the first touchdown. Did you see how wide 434 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: open he. 435 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: Was because everyone was running to Kyron and he was 436 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: by hisself. 437 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: And so those are kind of things that you can 438 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: manipulate as you keep an. 439 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 4: Efficient running game, not not a like a this. It 440 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: has to be efficient. 441 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: Four yards and a cloud. You know, just say you're 442 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: jealous he gets to run in the white box. Listen. 443 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm just go ahead and say it. Come on, DeMarco. 444 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: I tell people all the time. You know, you come 445 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: down to Jacksonville, you ain't seeing too many light boxes. Man, Like, Wow, 446 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 3: I'm talking about I love Kyraen, I guys said, I 447 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 3: love coming out and take advantage of it, because don't 448 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 3: let it. When you can start getting that nine to ten, 449 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: that means you have no receiving threats or they don't 450 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: really respect your passing game. 451 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: And how about what it means for the longevity of 452 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford within the context of this season. So long 453 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: as he's starting, the Rams have a chance to win 454 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: every Sunday and maybe go deep. And when you're asking 455 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: him to do less, guess what that thumb is another 456 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: week healthier, Right, he's protected. And you look at the 457 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns this week, they're dealing with the opposite problem. 458 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: They've got a playoff team. They just don't have a trigger. 459 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: Man and they're kind of beat up. The first pass 460 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford through in Arizona, I would think it was 461 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: a deep out and it was. It was off, and 462 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: I think he tried to gun it and it wasn't 463 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: all the way there yet. But then he started to 464 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: play efficiency football and work from there, run and work 465 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: the running game. But as that thumb gets healthier, there's 466 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: gonna be more velocity on his passes and then you'll 467 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: start to see the passing game open up as long 468 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: as that running game continues to chip away. But yeah, 469 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: I mean Cleveland is Look, they're a different animal. I 470 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: think they do have some corners in safeties that can 471 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: match up one on one and give their rush time 472 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: to get home and make Matthew Stafford have to hold 473 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: it now kind of like Russell Wilson. He's going to 474 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: have to have some agility in the pocket. He's gonna 475 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: have to buy time, not necessarily yards, but by time 476 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: to open up some windows and they're gonna get home. 477 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: Especially if it's Miles Garrett, you're gonna have to step 478 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: around and buy time to throw the football butt. I 479 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: think the Rams receivers match up great with that secondary, 480 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: especially after the catch, especially Pooka Nakua. Right, this is 481 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: a guy that's going to cause problems after the catch 482 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: for Cleveland's defense. 483 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: I'll say this too, to add to the offense that 484 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: we talked about it JB on the phone yesterday about 485 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 3: what the running game does for Matthew Stafford allows him 486 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: to take a break. Yeah, right, It allows you just 487 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: to turn around, hand the ball off. I don't even 488 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: have to think call it, run it. Here we go. 489 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: I'm good. Now I can kind of get my mind going. 490 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: Imagine having to think on every play. You have to 491 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: think on every play, like you have to get the 492 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: right check, the right read, You had to do all 493 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: this alerts, all these different things. 494 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: But what to call it and run. 495 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: It just allows you to say, down, said huck hand 496 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: it off, running back does this stuff. 497 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 2: It allows you to play. You're a little bit more fresh. 498 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: You're not as foggy thought wise, because you're just not always. 499 00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: On on all. 500 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: You know who was thinking every play? Kyler Murray. Ye, 501 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: there's Aaron. It's so funny. I was bing is our 502 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: guy being loves fast and the furious, and I'm like, 503 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous. They're throwing cars with cars now, Okay, 504 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: So I'm watching Aaron right and I'm like, why is 505 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: he going to the bull rush so much? 506 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: So? 507 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: Bull rush is what you do when you're out of 508 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: ideas or you're resetting, and I'm starting to think this 509 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: isn't a bull rush. He's throwing bodies at Kyler. So 510 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: he's taking this guy backwards and then coming off late. 511 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: Every single time Aaron made a move, Kyler would react. Yeah, 512 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: even if it was nine yards away, if he made 513 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: a move to the outside, he would react. So his 514 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: whole game plan was keep this big guy off me. 515 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: And when he smelled his breath, he threw it to 516 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: the bench. It's crazy, So I hope you can do 517 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: that again with Joe Flacco. It's a better offensive line. 518 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: They're a little beat up, but still same thing can 519 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: happen versus Flacco if he's out there. 520 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: How would you feel with a surgically repaired ACL and 521 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald in a PHONEO. 522 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: With you not good? I would not feel I could 523 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: have your knees and I'd be nervous. Yeah. 524 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, So you're anticipating practice squad call up Joe Flacco 525 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: thirty eight years old, former Super Bowl envy maybe being 526 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: signed from the practice squad this week to make the start. 527 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Have they taken DTR off the concussion protocol yet? Not 528 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: as of this com Okay, so I mean what's next. 529 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 4: We're deep. You're deep in the week too. It's yesterday, 530 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: it's this is it's. 531 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: And they wouldn't have signed him if they were cool 532 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: at PJ Walker right right, and they. 533 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: Had already said that they were, Like PJ Walker is 534 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: not playing. It's either DTR or Joe Flacco. 535 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: All right. 536 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: So he hasn't played since last year's finale with the 537 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: Jets three and fourteen in his last seventeen starts. I 538 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: don't want to call back to this, but we started 539 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: with the playoff picture, and it might have been signed, sealed, 540 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: and delivered by now if not for the AFC North. 541 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: The Rams had two golden opportunities in Cincinnati with Joe 542 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Burrow playing on one leg here at SOFI Stadium, with 543 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, who's been one of the least productive quarterbacks 544 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. He could have gone up 545 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: two scores against them. You didn't. They got out of 546 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: here with the victory. 547 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: All right. 548 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: Now you go back in that division and it's a 549 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: different style and it's different strengths. Can you win one 550 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: of or both of these games? That could be the 551 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: story of the Rams playoff push? 552 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: I think. 553 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: I think it's very similar to Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. When 554 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: you talk about the Cleveland Browns, the goal is to 555 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 3: get up two touchdowns. You get up two touchdowns, you 556 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: force them to chase, right, because again, new quarterback. 557 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: It's not Deshaun Watson. It was either gonna be a 558 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: rookie or Joe flacka. 559 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: They've scored in the teams in the last two games Watson. 560 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: So if you can get going now the key is 561 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: defensively stopping that running game and making them one dimensional. 562 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 3: But if you can put up points and help that 563 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: defense and not have to stop that running game and 564 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: force them to go because Kevin Stefanski will just start 565 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: throwing the football right if he feels like the running 566 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: game is not working, he doesn't care who's that quarterback. 567 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 4: He'll just start dropping back throwing the football. 568 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: And so if you can force him to do that, 569 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: I think then you give yourself a bigger chance to 570 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: get out. 571 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: Of here and get ready to go into Baltimore for 572 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: a big game next week. 573 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 2: That's gonna be tough. I like their offense. I liking Djoku. 574 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: He's the guy you would love to have on your 575 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: football team. I think Amari Cooper is still Amari Cooper. 576 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: Is it Elijah Moore? Super fast guy and the good player. Yeah. 577 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: I mean they've got some good parts. Now when you 578 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: look at their numbers, you can tell they've You've had 579 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: three different guys thrown to them because it's one hundred 580 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: yard games and then twenty two yard games. So they're 581 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: kind of helpter skelter. But I think the Rams defense, 582 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 2: I think they match up well, especially at corner and safety. 583 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: When you think about it, I think tight end's going 584 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: to be a problem. Tight End will always be a 585 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: problem versus the Rams defense no matter who lines up there. 586 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: So as long as you keep a lid on in DJOKU, 587 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: stop the run, get after the passer. I think Matthew 588 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: Stafford and Kyron Williams can get after this defense, especially 589 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: if Miles Garrett is half of what he is right now, 590 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: because when he's off the field, this defense looks a 591 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: whole lot different. So I think you'll be able to 592 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: pace the game. But I agree with you. Get out ahead, 593 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: stay ahead, and make them chase you. I think you 594 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: have a chance to win. This. 595 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: Interesting to me that, unlike Arizona, the strength of the 596 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: Brown's offensive line is guard to guard with some questionable tackles, 597 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: whereas Arizona actually has some talented tackle But Aaron just 598 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: absolutely racked and Kobe two had another great game. 599 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: Wow, that's funny. Kobe Turner had right as a rookie. 600 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: I think you had to go all the way back 601 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: to Chris Long to where a rookie defensive lineman had 602 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: a two sack game. I mean, I scoured. I'm like, 603 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: when is the last time I saw a rookie defensive 604 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: lineman have a two sack game? All the way back 605 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: to two thousand and eight, So good for him getting better. 606 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: And it was on shortened reps, so imagine what he 607 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: does with more reps. That's awesome. 608 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think he's one of those guys that 609 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: we the epitome of what you want as a defensive line. Like, yes, 610 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: Aaron Donald's gonna go out there and be this superstar 611 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: and do all this stuff. But when Kobe Turner's working, 612 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: it is like it is not pretty. Yeah, he is 613 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: fighting Clawn and he's getting like it's either like the 614 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: quarterback pump one time, like on that three step he 615 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 3: pumped Kyler pumps and then he gets in. 616 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: It's okay to be the second hyena. I too. Hey, yeah, absolutely, 617 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: they cleans up too. There's there's plenty of meat for everyone. Yeah. 618 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I also don't think it's coincidental that in their last 619 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: two games, the Cleveland defense has allowed their two highest 620 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: rushing totals of the season. When you're playing low scoring 621 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: games and the opposing offensive cored ender knows, hey, I 622 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: don't have to score twenty four to twenty eight point 623 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: thirty to beat this team. You can lean on your 624 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: running game a little bit, and that feels like the 625 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: opportunity ahead for Sean mcfame for Kyron Williams and this 626 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: game plan on Sunday. 627 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: I completely agree with if you watch the Denver Broncos game, Like, 628 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: let's just be honest, Denver is getting better. But I 629 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: don't think that their offense to a player is better 630 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: than the Rams. I don't think if you look at 631 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: that offensive line, you're saying their offensive line is better 632 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: than the Rams. But the thing was he was patient, 633 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: paces stayed with the running game, just kept chipping away, 634 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: chipping away. Defensively, they were getting turnovers, they were finding ways, 635 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: and I think that's going to be important. 636 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: As well this week. 637 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: But offensively, you just got to keep chipping away because 638 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: eventually it's gonna crack. And when it cracks, it's like 639 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: up here goes Russ. Yeah yeah right, And so that 640 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: that's the key is to just stick again. That's why 641 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: I always say efficient, not like volume run game. Just 642 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 3: be efficient with it. Four yards half the distance on 643 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: second down, convert on third down. That right there, just 644 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: it just slowly just starts to take away your will 645 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: as a defender, and and and the and then for 646 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 3: those interior d linemen they have bigger guys, yes, but 647 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: they get tired too, Right, all of a sudden, I'm 648 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: taking on double teams. This other part about the Rams 649 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: running game, you have to practice against those double teams. 650 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: You gotta practice guys, two guys blocking on you. How 651 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: you're gonna split the double team. 652 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: That had most of my fights in a practice field. Yeah, 653 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 2: it takes that takes a lot out of you as 654 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: well as a defender. So it's it's, it's it's it's 655 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: not only just the running game and the running style, 656 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: it's how you practice against it. How are you gonna 657 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: stop it? How are you loading the box? How are 658 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: you gonna fit different things? And the best part about this, 659 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: and I'll end with this, the Rams are mostly an 660 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: eleven personnel, which means that third linebacker is what either 661 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: a corner safety. But yeah, so a small guy. Yeah, 662 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: it's a small guy. 663 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, we're running on small people, right, 664 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: And that's the beautiful part about this running game is 665 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: that we can account for the six guys there, and 666 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 3: we can just let Kyra run on a nickel, right, 667 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: we can let him run on a safety and not 668 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: another linebacker. And that's the beautiful part about being in 669 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 3: an eleven personnel and having those guys move all around. 670 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: All right, we will fit with keys of the game. 671 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: But first let's hear from QB one, who's coming off 672 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: his best performance of the season four touchdowns against the 673 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and how he surveys this Jim Schwartz defense. 674 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 6: You know, I think they do a really nice job, 675 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 6: but their scheme, obviously, I'm familiar with their coach on 676 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 6: the defensive side of the ball. You know, he's one 677 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 6: of the best, if not the best, you know, kind 678 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 6: of mind out there on defense. And a couple that 679 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 6: with some guys that can get after the passer up 680 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 6: front in their front four, and some guys that can 681 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 6: cover on the back ends. 682 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: So they do a really nice job. You know. 683 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 6: Really, all phases on defense make it, you know, an 684 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 6: uncomfortable day for the quarterback, both in what they're given 685 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 6: to you look wise, and also just the challenges they 686 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 6: present personnel wise as well. 687 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: All Right, so we'll wrap it up here on the 688 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: Toyota Patio with our Keys to victory. Looking ahead to 689 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: Week thirteen, the Rams going for a third consecutive victory 690 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns. Who wants to go first? 691 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's great. I mean, listening to Matthew 692 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 2: Stafford post game, it's nice to see him not walking 693 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: around looking like Sargent Elias from Platoon. I mean, that's 694 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: the game you want. It was a perfect game for him. 695 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: It's a it's a get healthy game, and you had 696 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: one of your best games and one of their worst 697 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: games defensively. But I think what you said is exactly right. 698 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: I think the key to this football game is getting 699 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: out early, getting the lead, especially against the North. We've 700 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: been saying this since Cincinnati. If you can extend the 701 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: lead to two scores, even ten points might be enough. 702 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: They're still trying to figure it out offensively, but I 703 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 2: think you've got enough defensively the way Rahie Morris has 704 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: these guys playing that you can get after Cleveland and 705 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: stop the run and get after the passers. So as 706 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: long as you're playing from in front, I think you'll 707 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: have the best chance to beat Cleveland, to beat an 708 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: AFC North football team this year. 709 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: Can I jump in on the defense a little bit 710 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: because it's the right week to talk about the offense. 711 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: It it's a breakout performance, but the defense continues to 712 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: not get enough credit for what Rahie Morris has been 713 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: asked to do this year. But they are seventeenth in EPA, 714 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: sixteenth in points per possession, and they've got a real 715 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: opportunity down the home stretch. They've only allowed twenty four 716 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: or more on two occasions Dallas and the defense didn't 717 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: really take all the blame for that Dallas eruption. And 718 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Week two against San Francisco maybe the best offense football, 719 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: But you look down the remaining schedule here, Cleveland, Washington, 720 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans, the Giants, four of those opponents are really 721 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: offensively challenged, like you could get some of your best 722 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: defensive results here in the month that matters most. 723 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: So I think he's so smart the way he plays it, 724 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: understanding the personnel he has as in Aaron Donald, and 725 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: playing the appropriate coverage behind it. If you're gonna beat him, 726 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: it's going to be towards the middle of the field, 727 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: and you're gonna come up and hit nothing over the top, 728 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: which is what you don't want. You don't want to 729 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: waste rushes. So I think it's smart. He's got these 730 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 2: guys jazzed up. All the stuff that matters when you 731 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: turn on the tape. The pursuit of the football that's 732 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: all there, that's all coaching. That's them Monday through Friday, 733 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: and it shows up on game day. So he's done 734 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: an excellent job with Aaron and a bunch of younger 735 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: guys rounding them into form. 736 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: And what if the offense starts really helping shortening games, 737 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: more favorable scoreboards and down in distances plays that you 738 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: have to face. 739 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: Now, we could always use more takeaways. Set your offense 740 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: up on shorter fields. That's always good. Overscore yourself, that's 741 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: always out there. 742 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: You're looking for the first non offensive score, that'd be nice. Yeah, 743 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: maybe the Sunday Marie's a long wait for your key. 744 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 4: IV No, no, no, no, it's okay. 745 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: I was just thinking, like I forgot that Jim Schwartz 746 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: was with Matthew Staffords for so long and that he 747 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: understands this defense too. So to me, it's gonna be 748 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford making three critical throws. I think three critical 749 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: throws in this game are gonna be important, and we'll 750 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: count them as we do the broadcast. But it's gonna 751 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: be finding a way to if it's gonna be a 752 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: third and fifteen getting that sixteen throw Wigainst sixteen yards 753 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 3: or third and ten or whenever you're behind the sticks, 754 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: find a way to get him going. But three critical 755 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 3: throws he's gonna have to make in this game, because 756 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: I do believe it's gonna be. The AMC North are 757 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: just built different, right they you play outside, everyone's outside 758 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: for them. 759 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Everyone's outside the AMC North, So it's cold. 760 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: Whether guys are bigger, a little bit different than what 761 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 3: you see in the NFC. But I just think that 762 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: he's gonna there's gonna be a point in time in 763 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: this game where he's gonna have to make a throw, 764 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: and I think it's gonna be three times. 765 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 4: If he makes those three throws, we'll be happy. 766 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Last chance to answer the question, is Joe Flacco elite? 767 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: No? 768 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: At thirty years thirty eight years of age, still don't 769 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: have a funs. 770 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: Still try I. 771 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: Haven't been elite, and I want the same age, and 772 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: I'm not out there trying to play with these young 773 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: guys at all. 774 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: My key kind of dovetails with what you're saying, which 775 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: is make the Browns beat you on Sunday, don't beat yourselves. 776 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: When you look back on the games that they've lost 777 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: to this division so far, they had the better quarterback. 778 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: They had the better. 779 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: Team on the field both of those days in Cincinnati 780 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Steelers, it didn't work out for them, 781 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: and I think the biggest reason why is because the 782 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: Rams defeated themselves with turnovers, with penalties and the critical 783 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: down in distances. They couldn't capitalize on their opportunities. They 784 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: left the door open for lesser teams to get away 785 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: with the victory. Don't let that happen again on Sunday. 786 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: Take care of the take care of this one. 787 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: Hit your field goals, Can we say that too? That's fair, right? Yeah, 788 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: hundred percent hit your three pointers when you when you 789 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: got them. Yeah. 790 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: And it's those two extra points too, Like it would be. 791 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: It would be a shame for the Rams to squander 792 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: this opportunity because they just can't take care of their 793 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: own backyard. If they do that, I feel like really 794 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: good things are ahead in December and into January. All right, 795 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: with planes overhead here at SOFI Stadium, we are looking 796 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: forward to being back this weekend for Week thirteen the 797 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and you're Los Angeles Ransford tomorrow. So far 798 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: from Maurice Jones Drew, I'm JB. Long hope you enjoyed 799 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: this edition of Between the Horns, as always presented by 800 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: your Southern California Toyota dealers.