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Speaker 2: finally got an interesting game in the Western Conference Finals. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: if you're a Wolves fan, it did not go in
Speaker 2: your favor. It did not end in your favor as
Speaker 2: OKC build an eleven point lead and they hold on
Speaker 2: to win one eight to one, twenty six as they
Speaker 2: go home with a commanding three to one lead and
Speaker 2: they can end this thing on Wednesday night and advance
Speaker 2: to the Western and advance to the NBA Finals for
Speaker 2: the first time since twenty twelve. Wow, Chat Holger and
Speaker 2: Jaylen Williams and Chat Holger, They're Big three. Was sensational tonight.
Speaker 2: They gave him a combined ninety five points. Again, thank
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Speaker 2: But now we get to the ball game. The Thunder
Speaker 2: beat the t Woods Oh Show three to take a
Speaker 2: three to one series lead. Shake Gil Just Alexander had
Speaker 2: a career playoff high forty points, nine rebounds, ten assists.
Speaker 3: He's Almo.
Speaker 2: He almost had a trip dub, flirt flirted the ride
Speaker 2: and almost got a trip dub. The fourth player in
Speaker 2: WNBA history of the forty five to ten game in
Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals Julius Randall. In Game four, he
Speaker 2: was as bit abysmal as he was in Game two.
Speaker 2: Five turnovers, one bucket. T Woods led the game in rebounds, assists,
Speaker 2: points off, turnover, fast break points, points in the paint,
Speaker 2: second chance point, free throw attempts, free throw make, field
Speaker 2: goal percentage, three point percentage, free throw percentage, everything.
Speaker 4: Listen, they lost everything cross across the board.
Speaker 2: Man, what I don't understand? What I don't understand? And
Speaker 2: I need somebody to help me understand. That's more knowledgeable
Speaker 2: about the game of basketball.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me a man, You guys got
Speaker 2: a chance to tie this thing up. If you don't
Speaker 2: tie up, you go down three to one, and the
Speaker 2: likelihood that you're coming back and winning three straight games
Speaker 2: with two of them being in OKC is not very good.
Speaker 2: And you have two shot attempts at the half, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jewish Ramler, you have four shot attempts at the half.
Speaker 2: The one thing I can say about shake YOJ justs
Speaker 2: Alexander and the postseason. He has not been official, but
Speaker 2: he don't give a damn about efficiency. He's gonna get
Speaker 2: shots up because the worst thing you can do is
Speaker 2: not shoot the basketball.
Speaker 3: But that way you're not gonna get any points.
Speaker 2: Shade's like, you know what, the worst thing that could happen,
Speaker 2: there's three things that could happen. I can make it,
Speaker 2: I can miss it. They can file me. Those are
Speaker 2: three things that could happen. Yeah, And he had thirty
Speaker 2: shot attempts tonight he only had he had forty points,
Speaker 2: but he got to the line fourteen times. You gonna
Speaker 2: look at Jalen Williams, he had twenty four shot attempts.
Speaker 2: You look at Ched Hogren, he had fourteen shot attempts.
Speaker 2: Those three, they're big three combined for ninety five points. Yeah,
Speaker 2: add Man sixteen points on five or thirteen. Julius Randall
Speaker 2: five points on one to seven or three from the
Speaker 2: three point line. Mike Conley six points. So, in other words,
Speaker 2: twenty two you got two starters, three starters, excuse me,
Speaker 2: and they gave you twenty seven points, and you expect
Speaker 2: to win a beat that team, a team that won
Speaker 2: sixty eight games. Now, the bench players, nos Reed, Devin Chenzo, Nikill,
Speaker 2: Alexander Walker, they were the best players tonight. Jayson Daniels
Speaker 2: played really well, not to fifteen from the four, three
Speaker 2: or six, but I don't know why aunt Man and
Speaker 2: Julius Render took the approach that they took the first half.
Speaker 5: Hey, I have no idea, especially with the gate. To me,
Speaker 5: it's two to one. The game is on the line,
Speaker 5: the series is on the line. The fact series on
Speaker 5: the line. Well, the fact that you have four points,
Speaker 5: you have five shots. Knowing that Anthony Edwards, you have
Speaker 5: to be aggressive. You got to you got to come.
Speaker 5: You got to come out the same way you came
Speaker 5: out the previous game where you guys won. You aggressive,
Speaker 5: You attack and listen, what did Anthony finished with sixteen points?
Speaker 3: Five turnovers? Three?
Speaker 5: Not in the game of this magnitude. Not the game
Speaker 5: of this magnitude. And this I understand. They made it
Speaker 5: very difficult. They made it very, very difficult. The son
Speaker 5: that made it very difficult defensively, so with what was happening.
Speaker 5: As soon as Anthony got the ball, most of the
Speaker 5: time they trapped he passed it out, then they get
Speaker 5: it right back to him.
Speaker 4: Then it was it was one and one. From that point,
Speaker 4: you wait for your scoo.
Speaker 2: They trapped Lebron, they trapped Kobe, they trapped Jordan, they
Speaker 2: trapped steph they trapped KD. They trapped. If he is
Speaker 2: what he said it is. He said he's the best
Speaker 2: player in basketball. I don't want to hear noth about no traps.
Speaker 2: I don't make no excuses. You had two shots, Yeah,
Speaker 2: two shots.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me you that defense is that
Speaker 2: good that they'll only allow you two shot attempts? Yeah,
Speaker 2: juis round. You mean to tell me their defense is
Speaker 2: that's suffocating. They're only going to allow you four shot
Speaker 2: attempts in the first half. You two, the two players
Speaker 2: on the timber Wolves got six shot of Timpsojo nah man,
Speaker 2: I can't rock with that.
Speaker 5: The funny thing about it is, listen, it was fourteen
Speaker 5: and fourteen different fourteen different league lead changes, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: came down to the end of the game.
Speaker 4: The game was the game was then reach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the game was in reach for the Wolves, obviously,
Speaker 5: but execution down down the stretch, especially over the last
Speaker 5: two minutes where it came down to it, they didn't deliver.
Speaker 2: You got sixty four points from your Benchjojo. I mean
Speaker 2: when you look at it, you look at Shanon Junior,
Speaker 2: he gave you a two or three, one or two
Speaker 2: from the free throw line. Alexander Walker nine to fifteen
Speaker 2: to five of eight from the three point line. That's
Speaker 2: twenty three points. Deevin Cimzos seven of eleven, five of eight,
Speaker 2: two or two from the free throw line, twenty one
Speaker 2: nas red three or four one or two four four
Speaker 2: from the free throw line.
Speaker 3: That's eleven.
Speaker 2: So you got sixty four points from your bitch. You
Speaker 2: got sixty two from your starters. I'm confused. Hey, I
Speaker 2: think that's what Why thirty let's see thirty three, thirty two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: thirty two, fifty five and nine and sixty four. You
Speaker 2: have one hundred. You had one hundred and twenty six.
Speaker 2: That's unacceptable, Joe, I just I wish I could tell
Speaker 2: you something better. Thirty five one, fifty one, fifty seven,
Speaker 2: sixty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, listen, I obviously I picked the Wolves. I
Speaker 4: picked the Wolves to win this series.
Speaker 5: Actually, I had picked the Wolves to actually make it
Speaker 5: to the finals. Obviously with my love and enthusiasm for
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards as a player in the individual and what
Speaker 5: he brings to the game, and thinking, well, meet you
Speaker 5: know him being obviously to face the NBA because he
Speaker 5: has that factor that most most players don't have to
Speaker 5: be that but watching this OKC team tonight and what
Speaker 5: I've come to learn in my short time and join
Speaker 5: the game of basketball.
Speaker 4: The Thunder is the most complete team in the league.
Speaker 5: And the scary part about them, based on what I've
Speaker 5: seen and eyewitnessed, They're only gonna get better. They're only
Speaker 5: gonna get better after this championship run. They have a
Speaker 5: great chance to obvialy.
Speaker 3: Well, how you're gonna keep it together?
Speaker 4: That That's what I'm gonna say. They got the MVP.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he' about to sign He's about to sign a
Speaker 2: four year deal for two ninety four. Were he could
Speaker 2: wait the next year to sign a five year deal
Speaker 2: for three eighty knowing kat home rings about to come up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but knowing Sca with as much as he
Speaker 5: has going on off the court, I say he signed
Speaker 5: that four year to be able to keep keep everybody together.
Speaker 2: No, you're not, still not, because what you're gonna do
Speaker 2: with yet next year? That's a small market team, ojo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not New York, that's not LA, that's not Chicago,
Speaker 2: that's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jaylen Williams, all them role players, all the role.
Speaker 5: Players that you got, they're gonna like, Hey, hold on,
Speaker 5: I got a question for you now about this. These
Speaker 5: role players, right, the Glue guys and they have the
Speaker 5: MVP got a legit second option.
Speaker 3: Jala Walliams plays centation. He was second notion.
Speaker 4: You got two elite bigs. You know, I hate you
Speaker 4: worthy elite.
Speaker 5: But based on the way they god damn played, I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna say leap for the sake of the argument.
Speaker 5: Then you have the the Glue lives and the role players.
Speaker 5: Do they want to leave understanding what you have? If
Speaker 5: you guys stay together, I want.
Speaker 2: Money, Oh you I can't eat them rings. So you
Speaker 2: mean to tell me I can go somewhere and make
Speaker 2: five to twenty million or I want to stay here
Speaker 2: to make three to six million.
Speaker 5: And it's it's who all is up? We know SGA
Speaker 5: gotta get paid. Chit has to get paid next year,
Speaker 5: right this Yeah?
Speaker 2: This is this is chet third year. Yeah, because remember
Speaker 2: he missed his first year. He came back last year.
Speaker 2: This is third year. So I think probably maybe they
Speaker 2: can do something this summer, or they wait the next summer,
Speaker 2: whichever case.
Speaker 3: I think they just did something with Jayala Williams.
Speaker 5: So he's said, he's like, uh huh, Hey, they listen.
Speaker 3: I think they did something with Caruso.
Speaker 5: Also, you under the well, you know, But for me,
Speaker 5: do you know how good this team actually is?
Speaker 3: Young? But that's what you do if you keep if
Speaker 3: you keep this together.
Speaker 4: Let's say they might they probably will win the title.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: I love the Pacers. The Pacers probably gonna win that
Speaker 5: series against the Necks. But there's no way the Pacers
Speaker 5: beat the Okayce team we just saw the night. They're
Speaker 5: too complete. Not only that, not only the starters, even
Speaker 5: the bench. Yeah, I hate, I hate that money comes
Speaker 5: into play because when money comes to the play, and
Speaker 5: that's I know, you want to get paid, you want
Speaker 5: to get paid for it. But like you said, you
Speaker 5: can't eat them rings, but you can get you can
Speaker 5: get you another two with the squad you got right now.
Speaker 2: You rather have another two rings or one hundred million,
Speaker 2: make it sixty sixty million, because you're talking about got
Speaker 2: the rings only going to impact Shade home Run Jalen Williams.
Speaker 2: When you get the role players on your rings don't
Speaker 2: impact nobody. I mean, they're nice to have their nice
Speaker 2: conversation pieces, but you know, only the rings only matter
Speaker 2: to the elite because of rings actually matter. Robert Rory
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. He got seven, and
Speaker 2: he was a contributor, big contributor on all the teams.
Speaker 2: He go back and look the two in Houston. You
Speaker 2: go back and look at the what he have three
Speaker 2: in the LA and then the two in San Antonio.
Speaker 2: He was a major, major contributor. He was contributing more
Speaker 2: as equal, if not more than any role player that's
Speaker 2: playing in.
Speaker 3: The fight, that's playing currently. And he did it.
Speaker 2: He hit big shots, play big and big moments and
Speaker 2: all three stops. Now we know Superstar got seven rings.
Speaker 2: We talked about he pantheon, So I think that's the
Speaker 2: I just I'm shocked. I'm watching this game and I'm
Speaker 2: like a bro that you you a make something happen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, Ojo, you want to do the
Speaker 2: right thing. But six assists with five turnovers isn't the
Speaker 2: right thing. Now, if you tell me you have twelve assists,
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen sists and five turnovers, I can live with that.
Speaker 3: But I can't live you got to go down. I'm swinging.
Speaker 3: I'm empty.
Speaker 2: The clip got to I'm empty. Whatever it is, the
Speaker 2: whole nine yards, that's the term they use because I
Speaker 2: guess they had nine yards of bullet and they say
Speaker 2: they give them the whole nine yards.
Speaker 3: You know, those spring up belief that on that only yet.
Speaker 5: As close as as close as the game was towards
Speaker 5: the end, I really think there would be a difference.
Speaker 5: I think there would have been differs in the game
Speaker 5: in the second half if there was a little bit
Speaker 5: more production offensively from me, yeah, from manager it definitely,
Speaker 5: it definitely would have been a huge difference.
Speaker 2: They were six, they were six. Julius Randall and ant
Speaker 2: Man was six or twenty from the floor. There was
Speaker 2: one of ten from the three. Let me repeat that
Speaker 2: they were six or twenty from the floor. They were
Speaker 2: one for ten from the three. Now you go back
Speaker 2: and look at the games in which they've lost. Look
Speaker 2: at ants three point field goal percentage. I think he
Speaker 2: was one for six, one for seven in the one game.
Speaker 2: He was one for nine in the second game. In
Speaker 2: the second game, he was one for seven in this game.
Speaker 2: Look at Jewish Ramden games two, he was awful. He
Speaker 2: didn't even play the fourth quarter. Game three, he came
Speaker 2: back with Avenger. He had aunt. Game four, he was
Speaker 2: terrible again. That's two games. Fifty percent of the games
Speaker 2: that he's played in he's had single digit points. He's
Speaker 2: your second best player. That's that you can't have. You
Speaker 2: the mere fact that the game was disclose when your
Speaker 2: second best player gave you five and your best player
Speaker 2: shot five or thirteen and one of seven from the
Speaker 2: three point line and had gave you sixteen, the mere
Speaker 2: fact that you're in the ball game. Let you know
Speaker 2: how well the others played. I need my big dogs
Speaker 2: to eat. And Alexander Walker, Deevin Chims Old nos.
Speaker 4: Reed, Alexander Walker was showing out to night Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3: They played better than the two big guys. You can't have.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this impossible, but it's really hard if
Speaker 2: your two best players play as poorly as Julius Randoland
Speaker 2: and Man played, and your role players play that play
Speaker 2: that good because they played sensational. Like I said, you
Speaker 2: got you got sixty four points from your from your bitch.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many boys that is sixty four
Speaker 2: from your bitch?
Speaker 4: Damn man, theyig.
Speaker 2: Gonna be kicking themselves, don't you know, because this is
Speaker 2: the one that got away.
Speaker 4: Hold On, hold on, what's the chances.
Speaker 2: Statistically, they ain't got a hell billy heartbeat. That's the chance.
Speaker 2: You got a better chance of winning the lottery in Miami.
Speaker 2: If you fly to California, and if you go to
Speaker 2: another state they got to make a million of powerball.
Speaker 2: You got a better chance of hitting one of the
Speaker 2: three then them coming back and winning three games against
Speaker 2: that team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God damn.
Speaker 4: Hey Alexander, welcome boy.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 4: He was sensation of the night. He was nice.
Speaker 2: How many minutes did Jewish run to play in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter? I mean, my second best player. Now, I
Speaker 2: didn't play him in the fourth quarter in the game too,
Speaker 2: that's my second best player. I mean, imagine, don't show
Speaker 2: your second best receiver and he don't play the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: your second best hitter, you subed him out in baseball,
Speaker 2: you pinch it for him.
Speaker 3: That's your second best hitter.
Speaker 4: Hey, what what? Why was that?
Speaker 3: It was awful?
Speaker 4: Game out of reach at that point?
Speaker 3: No, the game wasn't not of reach. He was awful.
Speaker 2: I didn't get somebody, and that's gonna give me some production.
Speaker 2: Julius Randol didn't play well. I'm not breaking news. I'm
Speaker 2: not interrupting you. Normal we got a service announcement, but
Speaker 2: we got a Megan alert. I'm not breaking news to anybody.
Speaker 2: If you watch the game, he played terrible.
Speaker 4: Hey, when do you ever make that move as a coach? Though,
Speaker 4: just curious. You got you got your two big guns,
Speaker 4: you got your two best players.
Speaker 3: He's made it twice.
Speaker 5: Hypothetically speaking, I'm gonna just go with Shaq and Kobe.
Speaker 5: Kobobe's having a bad night and Shack is all having
Speaker 5: an off night. Since when do you been to someone
Speaker 5: like Shack. I'm not comparing Julie runners Shock. I'm just
Speaker 5: using that for comparison to give get better context for me,
Speaker 5: to give me a better understanding.
Speaker 4: How do you binge the second?
Speaker 2: First of all, ain't gonna go down shooting no seven shots.
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. Second of all, you getting
Speaker 2: shot the ball. If they filed him, they file it
Speaker 2: and he shoots thirty three throw attempts, but you find
Speaker 2: a way to get in the ball.
Speaker 3: Chris Finch has already made the decision.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a problem putting sending Julius Ass on
Speaker 2: the bench come fourth quarter. He did it in Game two.
Speaker 2: He played four minutes and he had as many turnovers
Speaker 2: as points. He had seven shot attempts. He had five points,
Speaker 2: five turnovers in a game of this magnitude. Yeah, yeah, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. I'm just curious where Hey like, I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking about it.
Speaker 5: Right, football turns me and TJ and who's just having
Speaker 5: a bad game. Well, we don't take, you know, we
Speaker 5: as a head coach Mark Lewis isn't taking who shout.
Speaker 5: We find ways to get him the ball, to get
Speaker 5: himself in rhythm, even if he's having a bag game.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, basketball to.
Speaker 5: Me would be a little bit easier to do in
Speaker 5: excuse me, you know, Okay, God damn if I'm finched, Okay,
Speaker 5: Julius having a bad game, let's let's let's let's make
Speaker 5: up some.
Speaker 3: I can't make him have a better game if he
Speaker 3: won't shoot the damn ball.
Speaker 2: Ah, I give it. Prime example, you remember that playoff game?
Speaker 2: How many balls did Ko drop before he caught the
Speaker 2: game winner? You remember that game in San Francisco gainst
Speaker 2: Green Bay and the Packers. The Packers see say, see
Speaker 2: what I mean? Sam Snap going to you right right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 5: And obviously and hold on Okay, see playing that motherfucker
Speaker 5: defense too. Now, they ain't make it, they ain't make
Speaker 5: it easy.
Speaker 3: Well, how you gonna be facing the mbing when you
Speaker 3: say the man can be facing the NBA.
Speaker 4: We was talked a by Julius. We was talked about Julius.
Speaker 2: Well, and man wasn't much better. Hey, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: Julius is your second best player. I think Julius is
Speaker 2: going to the All Star Game. He's been an All Star.
Speaker 2: He's been since sat Outside of Games two and four
Speaker 2: in the Western Conference Finals, Julius Randolds has been sensational.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a three time Allstar. Excuse me. We
Speaker 2: saw what he did against the Lakers. We saw what
Speaker 2: he did the next round against a Golden State. We
Speaker 2: saw what he did. He played really good game in
Speaker 2: game one. He played sensational in game three, I mean
Speaker 2: game four. Excuse me, A game of this magnitude where
Speaker 2: your role players give you what they gave you. Your
Speaker 2: big guys can't come up small. They just can't. You can't.
Speaker 2: I got twenty two from Jay and Daniels, I got
Speaker 2: twenty one from de Vincenzo. I got twenty three from
Speaker 2: the So you mean to tell me. Of all the
Speaker 2: guys that played, Julius Randalls scored the fuse points of
Speaker 2: all the guys that played, and he played more minutes
Speaker 2: Thannas he played the same amount of minutes. Uh as
Speaker 2: de Vincenzo Alexander Walker played. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: Shannon played eight minutes and had more points than he
Speaker 2: had and he only played eight minutes.
Speaker 4: Hey, they got Alexander locked up. Huh, Alexander, here's the
Speaker 4: role he comes off the bench.
Speaker 2: I mean because if you put him in Mike Conley,
Speaker 2: Mike Conley again, Bro, this this six and two and
Speaker 2: zero ports ain't gonna cut it.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: The only guys that's consistently playing are Jane Daniels. McDaniels.
Speaker 2: That played really well against the Lakers. He played great
Speaker 2: in the last series, that great game. I just need
Speaker 2: my big guns to go off. Got to show up.
Speaker 2: They got too.
Speaker 3: This is my mean.
Speaker 2: I guess they don't have big enough names to get
Speaker 2: ab hype because I saw it. I saw what I
Speaker 2: saw what he did against Yo Kitchen Mr last year.
Speaker 2: I saw what he did against Katie and Booked. I
Speaker 2: saw what he did against Luke and Lebron. I saw
Speaker 2: what he did, even though Steph went out, Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: and Dramond, what's going on?
Speaker 3: What's really going on?
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to minimize it, but hey, so
Speaker 2: Jordan's never faced great defensive Lebron has never faced great defenses,
Speaker 2: Kobe's never faced great defenses. Lad Bird never pay faced
Speaker 2: great defenses. All the great all the greats have, all
Speaker 2: the greats have.
Speaker 3: That's what makes him great. Hell if everybody went against
Speaker 3: the Washington generals, Hell, how do we know who's great?
Speaker 4: But you're saying the series is over.
Speaker 2: In the words of Lucid Van Joss, it's over. Now,
Speaker 2: it's over. They know it, they know it. Hey, three
Speaker 2: one against that team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye, I'm listen, I know.
Speaker 4: I just I'm mad. I lost one hundred dollars. The joke, dang, hey,
Speaker 4: that was It was a good ass game, though.
Speaker 2: The chance said, when are we gonna give ad mad
Speaker 2: that Jason Tatum treatment?
Speaker 4: Oh whoa whoa?
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum is with the exception of this year, has
Speaker 2: been in the conference finals down there his whole career.
Speaker 2: Is there a time that Jason Tatum didn't make the
Speaker 2: conference finals except this year?
Speaker 3: With exception of this year, he's probably been to five
Speaker 3: or six.
Speaker 4: Well you see what remember his rookie year, they.
Speaker 2: Was battling with Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals. He's probably
Speaker 2: been the five Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 4: Well you see that team? Do you see that team?
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum surrounded by.
Speaker 2: They wasn't always like that and he found a way
Speaker 2: to get to the Eastern Conference Finals and they got out.
Speaker 2: You remember they got to the Eastern Conference Finals and
Speaker 2: they didn't have a persingers when they lost to the
Speaker 2: Golden State.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't have holiday.
Speaker 4: They had they had brother Brown. Yeah, brother, they had
Speaker 4: brother Tatum.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they was in the finals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they lost to Lebron them remember Lebron in
Speaker 2: Game seven? Lebron had that historic game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But your two best players, whether you say Julius Randall
Speaker 2: is the ant man or the equivalent of Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 2: The problem that I have is that I can't deal
Speaker 2: with seven and thirteen shots between the.
Speaker 3: Two of them. I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't deal with twenty shots between the two guys.
Speaker 2: When Shade got for thirty by himself, Jaylen Williams got
Speaker 2: twenty four chat Holgeren had fourteen.
Speaker 3: Stop turning the ball over you limited you know.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank god, damn sha man. That boy got a
Speaker 4: toolbox on him.
Speaker 3: Boy, I mean, oh yeah, that's matches. You can't stop it.
Speaker 2: Got a tool j Williams had his best game of
Speaker 2: the series. He dropped a cool thirty four like it
Speaker 2: like it ain't nothing.
Speaker 3: Chat play great, have a big time block. I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: Minnesota would have won the series, but at least don't
Speaker 2: you be the reason why Blake couldn't say a man
Speaker 2: look at that man gave thirty at night, gave him
Speaker 2: thirty five a night.
Speaker 4: You got to be the reason. You got to be
Speaker 4: the reason why your team always have.
Speaker 3: A chance always.
Speaker 2: But the sixty eight win OKC thunder one went away,
Speaker 2: advancing to the first finals since twenty twelve when they
Speaker 2: had the KD Russ, Russ, Harden, Harden Inserge Obaca and
Speaker 2: my colleague big perk so OKC one twenty eight. Minnesota
Speaker 2: won twenty six. They got forty points from Shay Gilgers.
Speaker 2: He's one rebound short of a triple double. Jaylen Williams
Speaker 2: gave him thirty four. Chet Honkin gave him twenty one,
Speaker 2: and Caruso gave him thirty three big points off the bench.
Speaker 3: They played really well and.
Speaker 2: They'll one went away from advancing to the Western excuse me,
Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3: They're in the Western Conference Final now, Pop Freido. Joe Tyrese.
Speaker 2: Halliburton's father John will be allowed to attend Pacers home game,
Speaker 2: but he will not be court side. He will be
Speaker 2: in a suite. Beginning Tuesday, Game four against the Knicks.
Speaker 2: John Halliburton missed eight games following his confrontation with Joannis
Speaker 2: on April twenty nine.
Speaker 3: You see what they got superstitious.
Speaker 2: So Joe, Yeah, I guarantee you if they had won
Speaker 2: Game three, they wouldn't let him, They wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Freedi.
Speaker 4: No, you might as well.
Speaker 5: You learn, You learn your lessons, especially something like you
Speaker 5: want to you want to be there for those moments.
Speaker 4: You want to be there for those moments.
Speaker 5: I'm sure ha Leburton obviously has something to do with
Speaker 5: it as well, the fact that he can't sit courtside.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna feel the same. It's different being in
Speaker 4: them sweets.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't frequent basketball games.
Speaker 4: But if I'm I got to be on the wood.
Speaker 5: I got the wood so I can experience it and
Speaker 5: and and get the that authentic feel of it.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably a lot easier to see uh
Speaker 2: in an arena, see.
Speaker 3: The sweets, especially if you know where your sweet's located.
Speaker 2: Uh, because I you know what I I than Baltimore
Speaker 2: had a sweet and I was in Baltimore, and I
Speaker 2: can look up there and see my kids and see
Speaker 2: my mom and my sister and stuff.
Speaker 3: My homeboys that would come.
Speaker 2: But it's different, you know, It's different than my homeboys
Speaker 2: being on the sideline. And you know, I can come
Speaker 2: out the field and dap them up when I do
Speaker 2: something good and so forth.
Speaker 3: It's all they could dap. You know. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad. I'm glad, Like I said, I think.
Speaker 2: Look, look, he got caught up in the emotion of it, though, Joe,
Speaker 2: He's just so excited for his son. It's just something
Speaker 2: between Milwaukee and Indiana that brings out the best in Indiana,
Speaker 2: brings out the best in tire Reeces. And his dad
Speaker 2: got caught up in it, made a mistake and he's back, hopefully, hopefully,
Speaker 2: hopefully it pays off. But like you said, it's not
Speaker 2: being in a suite and being courtzized an entirely two
Speaker 2: different things, being in a suite or being on the
Speaker 2: stands and being on the field.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why before the game all them clebs
Speaker 3: on the field. It's the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different, but uh, congratulations John Halliburton. You're back
Speaker 2: in the building, not where you normally would be. But
Speaker 2: hey it's a start. Baby steps, baby steps, so your
Speaker 2: baby steps. The Milwaukee Bucks are reportedly hoping that the
Speaker 2: presidence of Doc Rivers will make Jiannis utter to Kunpo
Speaker 2: more likely to stay in Milwaukee. Per Mark Stein's the
Speaker 2: Bucks are hoping that the presidence of Doc as a
Speaker 2: coach can provide some sort of boost, and the Kompoy
Speaker 2: and Rivers are believed to have a strong working relationship.
Speaker 4: You know he's not staying. I mean what would be doing?
Speaker 2: So he had a terrible So Jason Kidds gone, Mike
Speaker 2: Bodenholder is gone.
Speaker 3: Who won?
Speaker 2: He was there when he got them two MVP's and
Speaker 2: they got a finals MVP that won a championship. Adrian
Speaker 2: Griffin was fired after going forty what forty one and
Speaker 2: thirteen dot Doc. So I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: and I'm just trying to figure out how what am
Speaker 2: I missing?
Speaker 3: What? What? What? What? What is it? What is it
Speaker 3: that they see that we don't listen?
Speaker 5: The man doesn't want to be there, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what why they're obviously gonna I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, Joe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he doesn't want to be there,
Speaker 2: or if he doesn't believe that they can win there.
Speaker 3: He can win there.
Speaker 5: You're not going to be able to There's nothing you're
Speaker 5: gonna be able to do. Bringing in Doc Rivers isn't
Speaker 5: gonna get you a chance at contention for a troupe.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be able to get you any more
Speaker 2: players because you can't sign anything and you want to
Speaker 2: stay out of that second aprin bing go.
Speaker 4: So that mean that goes without saying I don't know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: You traded Holiday because you traded the Holiday and gave
Speaker 2: up draft picks to get Dame and Dames.
Speaker 4: You know, Dame is out.
Speaker 3: Dame is out.
Speaker 5: I think maybe his decision making would be a little
Speaker 5: different if Dame wasn't hurt.
Speaker 3: No, you don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, because they didn't get to these two conference finals
Speaker 2: in the year that Dame was there. And there there
Speaker 2: are sometimes that they played really good, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of hard because you know, and you think Jannis needs
Speaker 2: the ball to clear and and Dane likes to have
Speaker 2: the ball to do what he does. Sometimes it looks good,
Speaker 2: but more times than not, it's just like, eh, yeah.
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to be there. I hate to regurgitate
Speaker 5: it and say it again. I told you where Giannis
Speaker 5: is going, I told you how that's gonna go.
Speaker 2: Well I'm not I'm not saying I don't I disagree
Speaker 2: with you, But what I am saying, what are you
Speaker 2: going to give up about? I just don't see a
Speaker 2: scenario where you keep Bam and Tyler hero and still
Speaker 2: be able to get Yanni's.
Speaker 5: Funny thing about it is we never know the scenario.
Speaker 5: That's up to the team, that's up to all the teams.
Speaker 5: Let me say it like this, up to all the
Speaker 5: teams involved.
Speaker 4: You know, he's he.
Speaker 5: Getting and answers where he liked to be, where he
Speaker 5: likes to play, sublimately by answering questions on Twitter, I
Speaker 5: mean the proof is in the pudding is right there.
Speaker 5: I mean everyone's going to have these expert opinions on
Speaker 5: where he should go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Capital. But that's how you put tray
Speaker 2: scenarios together. Okay, if you the Lakers, you know who
Speaker 2: off limits. You know you're not getting Lebron and you're
Speaker 2: not getting Luca. So now you start playing with pieces. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's ar avail available, it's ruin available. You start playing
Speaker 2: with pieces who could possibly be leave and who could
Speaker 2: possibly be come.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, that's the only way you
Speaker 2: can put a tracer there. You're talking about you gotta
Speaker 2: do hypotheticals, you know.
Speaker 3: The uh.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to see. I'm looking at the pieces
Speaker 2: that would Miami have. They only got two pieces I
Speaker 2: would want? Right, Why would Johnnys want to go to
Speaker 2: the Miami and and Bam and Tyler Hero isn't there.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing that happened with Carmelo when he
Speaker 2: went to the Knicks. Nobody there, you got them?
Speaker 5: Yeah, where you think about it, Where the hell's where
Speaker 5: you go? Where the hell's where the hell else where
Speaker 5: Janni's go right now? Where they're gonna have to give
Speaker 5: up something for him to even get him? And still
Speaker 5: not be right back in the same type of situation
Speaker 5: you were in in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is, Oh Joe, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to get multiple teams involved, but you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: satisfy five Milwaukee Milwaukee. Yanna think about it, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: you lost Kareem. How long before you got something to
Speaker 2: replace Kareem? Your second best player in franchise history, Janni's
Speaker 2: I think you're the second best because Kareem won three
Speaker 2: titles with the two in you got there.
Speaker 3: I will will't even three.
Speaker 2: I mean, you need to look up Kareem's stats because
Speaker 2: everybody that think Kareem was a bum, y'all need to
Speaker 2: look at Kareem before he got old, because like in
Speaker 2: the eighties, he still won finals MVP at like thirty seven,
Speaker 2: thirty eight years of age. But you got to go
Speaker 2: back and look at him when he from his from
Speaker 2: his rookie year until he was about thirty. Go check
Speaker 2: him out, Go check out his stats, and let me
Speaker 2: know what you think. With that being said, Uh, Louise
Speaker 2: Joannis a superstar. See that's what that for the longest time,
Speaker 2: that's what really hurt okay, see because see Kevin Durant
Speaker 2: was a free agent and he left. Imagine what you
Speaker 2: could have got for Kevin Durant if you did a
Speaker 2: sign in trade. So now you and if absolute prime,
Speaker 2: well hell before his prime.
Speaker 3: But now so now you get a guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna get draft picks out the galore
Speaker 2: and a couple of solid players. That's what you would
Speaker 2: have gotten. But he left. You got nothing but walk
Speaker 2: out the door. Same thing with God to State, he
Speaker 2: walked out the door. So when I think about teams
Speaker 2: with draft capital, mm hmm, Brooklyn got draft capital, Houston
Speaker 2: got draft capital and players because you got Shongoon. I'm
Speaker 2: not getting rid of arm and Thompson. Armen Thompson is
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. So you got capital. Uh, you got
Speaker 2: Jabari Smith Junior, you got Eason. So they got capital
Speaker 2: and they got draft picks. See that's the thing, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: there's only a handful of teams that have the draft
Speaker 2: capitol and maybe some of the players to satisfy.
Speaker 4: What about Okay, see Joannis case.
Speaker 2: I don't like that match up with Shae. Do they
Speaker 2: have the draft capitol? Absolutely, yes, they have the draft capitol.
Speaker 2: Go get a Kevin theur Reant I mean if somebody
Speaker 2: else is available, they got the draft call. Yes, they're
Speaker 2: absolutely Look at the players they got. I don't for me,
Speaker 2: I don't think they I don't think they're breaking up
Speaker 2: their nucleus Shae Jalen Williams and home Ren. I'm not
Speaker 2: breaking that up. There's a reason why Presty deliberately chose
Speaker 2: check Holgren because they had an opportunity at Jabari Smith
Speaker 2: Junior and because Paulo bank Caro was gone. He was
Speaker 2: off the board, so you didn't have no shot in him. Nice.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, y young fella, young fellow like that. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: the thunder half the pieces. They got seven eight first
Speaker 2: round picks, seven eight second round picks. They got two
Speaker 2: pickswaps still coming from the Clippers. Oh, they got the capitol.
Speaker 2: Houston got the capitol. Brooklyn has the capitol. Because I
Speaker 2: just don't want draft picks. I want some I want
Speaker 2: players that can come in and play and contribute and.
Speaker 3: Can help me right now now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, uh, it's gonna be very interesting to see what
Speaker 2: Yianni's Maybe they try to convince him one more year,
Speaker 2: but Janni's like one more year. That's a year older
Speaker 2: I'm not closer. I mean, when you look at it,
Speaker 2: Janni's by himself. They're not beaten. They're not beating the Knicks,
Speaker 2: they're not beating the Calves, they're not beating Indiana. Now
Speaker 2: they might give Boston run with our tatum next year,
Speaker 2: but they still okay. At best case scenario, they're the
Speaker 2: fourth best team. I'm not so sure that the fourth
Speaker 2: best team if ban Caro and Franz Wagner stay healthy
Speaker 2: with that year where they get Sugs back, with that
Speaker 2: with Black.
Speaker 3: And and and and and uh Cole Anthony, with some
Speaker 3: of the pieces that they have, are we sure?
Speaker 2: Are we sure? Milwaukee is no better than a fourth
Speaker 2: or fifth seed. I ain't coming back one more year
Speaker 2: to be a fourth or fifty.
Speaker 5: But that's that's that's what it would probably be, y'alln
Speaker 5: just can do this so much.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you can only do so much.
Speaker 3: When anybody says, what, but how do you improve this team?
Speaker 2: People say, oh, Joe, Ain't nobody say yeah, whoa man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this max deal from Milwaukee. I gotta
Speaker 2: I get an opportunity to get a max deal from LA.
Speaker 2: I get a max dealer from Chicago. I get a
Speaker 2: max deal. I'm going to Milwaukee. Right, you're not.
Speaker 3: You're not. There's nothing to do.
Speaker 2: It's coldsh clothes at eleven?
Speaker 3: Okay? Ten? When am I gonna go get some need
Speaker 3: after the game.
Speaker 4: It can't be that bad.
Speaker 3: Kids ain't playing, kids ain't playing outside after September.
Speaker 4: Can't be that bad.
Speaker 3: In Milwaukee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just saying it can't be that bad bad.
Speaker 4: As far as far as what I mean, I've never
Speaker 4: been there. I've never experienced what it's like to live there.
Speaker 3: It's in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: So what you think the weather is like from Wisconsin October, November, December, January, February, March, April.
Speaker 3: So what do you think the weather's like? You played
Speaker 3: in Green Bay?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so what you think the weather like in October, November, December, January, February, March.
Speaker 4: But guess what think about some of the teams you
Speaker 4: just named too?
Speaker 3: Hell?
Speaker 4: All them them same months? In Chicago. It's cold them
Speaker 4: same months? Is just naming this?
Speaker 3: In Chicago, it's just open.
Speaker 2: I can still go get a meal at ten o'clock
Speaker 2: at night. We'll see, we shall see. Austin Reeve's agent
Speaker 2: issues a Warner. The mid trade rumors next year is
Speaker 2: going to be a show. People really have no idea
Speaker 2: what's to come. Keep putting him in trade rumors for
Speaker 2: a second string center?
Speaker 4: Whoa who did you take a shot?
Speaker 3: Sat uh? Whoever? Keep leaking his name talking about part
Speaker 3: of trade.
Speaker 4: They're trading for a center, But he said second string?
Speaker 4: Who's the second string center?
Speaker 3: They taking a shot at somebodybody, anybody that's not Yo
Speaker 3: kick Joel and Bead those are really the only centers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, Austin Reeves is nice too. He go anywhere
Speaker 4: right now, and yes, getting work, getting buckets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bro, you gonna opt at Bro, You're gonna
Speaker 2: opt at your contract. The Lakers can only play you
Speaker 2: so much. You're gonna go somewhere and get a big
Speaker 2: payday anyway. You ain't trying to stay with the Lakers
Speaker 2: when you can get a two hundred million dollar deal
Speaker 2: and they can't give you that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: Austin is very grateful, very thankful. The Lakers believed in him,
Speaker 2: gave him a tryout. He went to the G League.
Speaker 2: He played really well. He him and Lebron. Lebron saw
Speaker 2: something in him early took him under his wings and
Speaker 2: he's flourished. That's not kid our sales. That's not kid
Speaker 2: our sales. To make a paydayfindn't get a couple on
Speaker 2: a million dollars.
Speaker 4: Or as man's value out the in La.
Speaker 3: No, he's not. He knows, he knows his back. That's why.
Speaker 2: That's why they just said what he's saying, because then
Speaker 2: he hopped out his contract.
Speaker 4: Go get some money, young fella.
Speaker 3: Because see the.
Speaker 2: Thing is like what they try to do o yoe.
Speaker 2: If you signed with your team, they can give you
Speaker 2: that fifth year you leave, they can only give you four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's like, okay, we can add an extra year.
Speaker 2: That's an extra fifty. You get nicked, Hey, you're not
Speaker 2: playing your best, you're still a opt in.
Speaker 3: You got fifty coming, right. He knows that he knows back.
Speaker 2: Based on what he's done over the last three years
Speaker 2: and you've seen his point since the rebound total go up,
Speaker 2: he's been a valuable option. I mean, we saw him
Speaker 2: with he with no Luca in the lineup here and
Speaker 2: Lebron with no Luca and Lebron the lineup, what he
Speaker 2: did against Indiana. We've seen him go out for forty
Speaker 2: We've seen him go get Yeah, he's improved every single year.
Speaker 3: He's a hell of a player. But those three guys
Speaker 3: are not gonna win anything. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you got a packaging, but they
Speaker 2: need a big and and he's the only he's the
Speaker 2: only valuable piece that they have that they're willing to
Speaker 2: part with. They not trade Luca. You can't trade Lebron
Speaker 2: because Lebron is one of the two players that have
Speaker 2: a no trade. He and Bradley Bill. Everybody else, nobody
Speaker 2: else in the NBA other than Lebron, James and Bradley
Speaker 2: Beal has a no trade.
Speaker 5: I mean you say, you also say they need a
Speaker 5: big Now Giannis is off the table on LA too,
Speaker 5: because you don't have Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I mean he mentioned La, but
Speaker 2: I think he's talking about more Clippers than than Lakers.
Speaker 4: Ooh, hey, Harden.
Speaker 3: Kawhi, and what you're gonna give up because your picks,
Speaker 3: your peaks belong to Oka.
Speaker 2: See See that's right, that's right, that's right. As for
Speaker 2: him back and then guess what we got pick swaps?
Speaker 2: So guess what if some for some for god unforeseen reason,
Speaker 2: you're higher than we are. Hey, let's let's wap that thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Oh Joe, hey, you get
Speaker 2: a nice burger. You get a good smash double smash
Speaker 2: burger with cheese, and I got a blowna sandwich. You
Speaker 2: know what I want to swap lunches today. It's my
Speaker 2: time to swap. Okay, now you got in the blogna sandwich.
Speaker 2: I got the double cheese smash burger.
Speaker 3: See h.
Speaker 4: But sit yan and yan is like y is gonna
Speaker 4: be Uh it's hard, Ojo.
Speaker 3: It's hard because I thought.
Speaker 4: About with the Mexicans.
Speaker 5: Hey, you you putting yourself right back in the same
Speaker 5: goddamn predicament outside of it being a better goddamn city.
Speaker 4: And being able to get some need after eleven o'clock.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: But see, that's the thing though. That's the thing, Ojo,
Speaker 2: is that Austin Reeves understands his value. He knows he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a commodity because he's proven he's a starter
Speaker 2: in this league.
Speaker 3: He's not a role player.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a role player, but he's a starting
Speaker 2: role player.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He can handle the ball, he can create his own shot,
Speaker 2: he can he can facilitate it off. He can run
Speaker 2: an offense. Yeah he's Yeah, he's a liability on defense,
Speaker 2: but guy, he ain't nobody playing no defense anymore. Just
Speaker 2: don't let him beat you on the first dribble? Can
Speaker 2: you can you guard him for two dribbles? It the
Speaker 2: help's gonna come. So with that being said, there's only
Speaker 2: a handful of teams that have the capitol to go
Speaker 2: to go get a yach because you gotta think about it. Oho,
Speaker 2: look at what I'm giving up. I'm giving up a Yannis,
Speaker 2: I'm giving up a KD. I need something valuable in return.
Speaker 2: Now KT's a little different, Katie's a little older, so
Speaker 2: he's not gonna command. Phoenix is not gonna get maybe
Speaker 2: what they think they're gonna get. Yeah, because there's a difference.
Speaker 2: I think Giannis is thirty KD is about to be
Speaker 2: thirty seven. And injury history. Remember he got nicked again
Speaker 2: at the end of the year. He missed the last
Speaker 2: couple of games. When he got there, messed up his knees.
Speaker 2: So he has a history of being injured. So you're
Speaker 2: not going to get what you because of aging his
Speaker 2: injury history. He's still a phenomenal player. Very Wow, someone
Speaker 2: made check this out on Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't even pronounce this guy's name. He said.
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson is entering year seven with with zero playoff
Speaker 2: minutes logged.
Speaker 3: I just got sick.
Speaker 4: I mean, Zion Williamson going to the Pelicans, understanding his
Speaker 4: injury history, the fact that he hasn't been able to play,
Speaker 4: he has games even make the playoffs.
Speaker 5: He didn't have a team surrounding him or or have
Speaker 5: the help to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he made the playoffs, but he was hurt.
Speaker 3: He couldn't play. Yeah, they made the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Thinking about it, he had he had his second year,
Speaker 2: he had Valan Schooners, he had a CJ.
Speaker 3: McCullum.
Speaker 2: That was his second year, right, I don't know what
Speaker 2: year it was, but I'm saying he's they They've made
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Zion just hadn't been able to play.
Speaker 5: I think I think he he needed new change of seniory.
Speaker 4: He needed to change the senior y.
Speaker 2: You need to change the eatery, changing who eatery. What's
Speaker 2: important to him? Everybody wants something more than Zion wanted
Speaker 2: for himself. Think about what he denied himself, probably going
Speaker 2: out partying, doing all those other things that kids his
Speaker 2: age did because he wanted to be a basketball player,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to go to college, and in college,
Speaker 2: he wanted to go to the NBA. So think about
Speaker 2: what you've denied yourself to get to where you got to.
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, now granted, when you young,
Speaker 2: O Joe, you're rubbing down the court. Oh, your weight
Speaker 2: just fall off you. Yeah, I mean I can lose.
Speaker 2: I can lose easy, Hell I lose. I swear I
Speaker 2: have seven eight pounds at a practice. Once lost thirteen
Speaker 2: pounds of a practice. You young, you can do that.
Speaker 2: As you start to get older, you see a lot
Speaker 2: of you see a lot of young fat people.
Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of old fat people, O Jo.
Speaker 2: Because the heart's only so big, it's only meant to
Speaker 2: pump the side that you're supposed to be. You start
Speaker 2: getting full, you start getting three and four hundred pounds
Speaker 2: when you meant to be two hunder a two fifty
Speaker 2: passing the body. Yeah, that's why you can't put a
Speaker 2: volkswaggon engine and an eighteen wheeler.
Speaker 3: It's not meant to pull that.
Speaker 2: You earn it out. What's important is Zion. How bad
Speaker 2: does aon want to be it?
Speaker 3: Do it? Get it?
Speaker 2: Getting in is easy, that's the easy part. It gets
Speaker 2: hard to get out and get back in. Zion is
Speaker 2: a phenomenal talent. When never you never gonna hear me
Speaker 2: say anything about the guy's talent. He can do it.
Speaker 2: We can do it. We've seen him. He can score
Speaker 2: twenty five in the game. He's gonna get to double.
Speaker 2: He's not the best rebounder. I mean, I thought he
Speaker 2: would be a better rebounder than what he was because
Speaker 2: he's explosive as Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley is the smallest
Speaker 2: guy to ever lead the league in rebounding. Charles Barkley
Speaker 2: six four, Zion six four, and I believe it is
Speaker 2: more explosive. But rebounding is all about want to. That's
Speaker 2: why Dennis Robin did it so well. Dennis Robin wanted
Speaker 2: the ball more than anybody else. But it's got to
Speaker 2: be he's got to adopt. Say you know what, man,
Speaker 2: I'm tired of this issue. Man, Let me give myself,
Speaker 2: let me get myself together, let me get myself together.
Speaker 2: Let me I'm gonna get me a chef, and I
Speaker 2: want you to hold me accountable. I'm not saying he
Speaker 2: can't ever eat something bad, but you have to like
Speaker 2: weigh the options. Let's just say, for the sake of argument,
Speaker 2: on JO, there's seven there's seven days in a week.
Speaker 2: We know there's seven days in a week. And let's
Speaker 2: just say he's gonna eat twenty eight meals that week,
Speaker 2: twenty eight to thirty. When you talk about breakfast, lunch, dinner, snatch,
Speaker 2: things like that, twenty eight meals. Of those twenty eight meals,
Speaker 2: twenty five of them need to be nutritious, healthy, packed
Speaker 2: with protein, complex carbohydrates.
Speaker 5: Thanks what happens if the team he has around them,
Speaker 5: the people that he asks arounding them? What if he
Speaker 5: is eating healthy? What if he is eating nutritious and
Speaker 5: he just can't seem to keep the weight off because
Speaker 5: maybe he's just supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Worked like that? Do you know how hard it is chicken?
Speaker 2: For somebody that's had a healthy lifestyle pretty much for
Speaker 2: thirty two years nineteen ninety three, I made a decision,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a healthy lifestyle. Do you know how
Speaker 2: hard it is to eat two thousand, three thousand, four thousand,
Speaker 2: calories if you're eating healthy, Okay, it ain't nothing to
Speaker 2: eat that.
Speaker 3: Kind of calories. Hell, I get you a burger that
Speaker 3: got two thousand calories in it.
Speaker 2: But to eat chicken, to eat rice, to eat fish,
Speaker 2: to eat to eat broccoli, to be eat vegetables. People
Speaker 2: don't understand how hard it is to eat that many
Speaker 2: calories when the food is nutritiously dent. Now, if you
Speaker 2: eat some bull dye hawks tails and pork chops and
Speaker 2: add two faid and boot ad and jumbo line and
Speaker 2: go gumbo, ain't nothing. You'll blow through two thousand and
Speaker 2: three thousand calories and a meal. It's hard to out
Speaker 2: exercise a bad diet. It's hard, and the older you get,
Speaker 2: the harder it is. I'm not telling you something, chat,
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you something somebody told me. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you what I know, because once upon a time, I
Speaker 2: know I might not look like it now the way
Speaker 2: I walk and move around. I wasn't a lead athlete
Speaker 2: at one pointant time.
Speaker 5: I always I always argue with people too about that,
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 4: That's saying you can't you can't outwork a bad diet.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: But I mean I think because my frame is is
Speaker 4: so small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you didn't work out, Joe, you realize
Speaker 2: that if you didn't live ways to work out like
Speaker 2: you do, how small you would be.
Speaker 4: I get skinny.
Speaker 3: I look, absolutely you would.
Speaker 5: I look sick man's when I on lift and it
Speaker 5: looks weird like something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's the thing. I mean, some people,
Speaker 2: there are some people like that, some people like that
Speaker 2: to have that frame ojo that don't matter what they do,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be thin. And then there's some people. You
Speaker 2: look had a burger, that's three pounds you gained. You
Speaker 2: should have looked at me. But I just think that's
Speaker 2: the thing that that Zion needs to do. He just
Speaker 2: got to make it up in his mind set. You
Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna stay
Speaker 2: in shape because I mean, before you know it, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be year ten.
Speaker 1: Ten.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: You know what's funny is I remember the hype. It
Speaker 5: was really that hype because he was that boy. He
Speaker 5: was supposed to be the next face of the NBA.
Speaker 4: He was supposed to be Labarn.
Speaker 5: They were trying to from what it seemed from media
Speaker 5: coverage and what everybody was saying he was the next
Speaker 5: great thing that was supposed to Yeah, bron was done
Speaker 5: played and it just it never panned out that way
Speaker 5: obviously because of injuries. And I'd assume you know, his
Speaker 5: inability to keep the weight off and be on the
Speaker 5: court and be available.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, dude, Oh but he's on the court though.
Speaker 3: Oh we did the embassy alto.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that's frustrating because you see what he
Speaker 2: when you can see what he can be, you see
Speaker 2: what he's capable love because he's shown it to you.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you can never
Speaker 2: want something for someone else more than they wanted for themselves.
Speaker 4: He's been seven years already, it's.
Speaker 3: About to be seven years, next year be seven years.
Speaker 4: This shit going by fast, it does.
Speaker 2: Think about Oh Joe, think about it when you came
Speaker 2: into the league and next thing you know, you looked
Speaker 2: up he was in your ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it went fast.
Speaker 2: As about time to go. It's time for somebody else
Speaker 2: to aid you. Once you get to year ten, you
Speaker 2: take it year to year. It ain't no more. I
Speaker 2: got me five more?
Speaker 4: Nah, hell nah, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: You know, benness comes into play at that point.
Speaker 2: Absolutely once you get to year ten, who how should
Speaker 2: I help on and get me another one?
Speaker 3: Oh? I stolen over with O Joe got me twelve
Speaker 3: of the things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, I think, uhh, And I think that's
Speaker 2: what's important for Zion because there's no denying this talent.
Speaker 2: There's no denying this talent. He get that ball A
Speaker 2: he jumped so quick, so effortlessly. But that's a lot
Speaker 2: of pounding. That's a large man that's up and down,
Speaker 2: up and down, up and down. Same thing with embiid
Speaker 2: big man, and you're asking big men to do that
Speaker 2: over and over and over eighty two times a year.
Speaker 2: Nobody's really gonna play, but Michel Bridge is gonna play
Speaker 2: eighty two games. Maybe a handful of players playing eighty
Speaker 2: two games. So you're asking Joel and b that if
Speaker 2: he can give us seventy somewhere, give us sixty sixty seventy.
Speaker 2: Can you do that, Zion, can you give us sixty
Speaker 2: sixty seventy because that's what it's gonna take, the team's
Speaker 2: best player. It's hard, it's hard to advance when your
Speaker 2: best players not there is their best player and now
Speaker 2: they've traded be Oz because not be Oza in Toronto,
Speaker 2: he was dealing with I think he was dealing with
Speaker 2: a blood clock. Right, what did a be I have
Speaker 2: in Toronto? Because he got traded?
Speaker 5: How many how many other teams could Zion go to?
Speaker 5: You could probably go everywhere and still be the best
Speaker 5: player outside of okay seeing the Lakers?
Speaker 3: Uh no, yeah, well he ain't gonna be Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Could where could he go?
Speaker 2: Or where could somebody's gonna that need him and have
Speaker 2: the capital to give up?
Speaker 3: Look, he always wanted to go. I still believe this.
Speaker 2: I believe he would have preferred to be the third
Speaker 2: pick and be in New York, to be the number
Speaker 2: one pick and be in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine Zion and New York?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can. I can.
Speaker 5: Hey, at his side, Zion would be the he was.
Speaker 5: He's too short to be the he can play he
Speaker 5: can play the four. He's a three though, right who Zion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he can be he can play the three
Speaker 2: out of four because he's so powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But he on the side though, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I got to punish you, Like I said, if you
Speaker 2: punish me on one end, I gotta punish you on
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 4: And that's sucking man, that s man.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a quick jumper, quick verry athletic, very explosive.
Speaker 4: To be that size.
Speaker 5: The funny thing about it is probably everyone else he's
Speaker 5: a little bit more twitty than everybody else.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he twitchy as if he's as if he's small.
Speaker 2: He's he's a more explosive Charles Barkley. Look at the
Speaker 2: way Barkley was built, and look at the way Zion
Speaker 2: is Bill and char That would been the first thing
Speaker 2: I would have done. I would have got with Charles
Speaker 2: Barkley and said, Charles, how'd you do it? How'd you
Speaker 2: get the way?
Speaker 3: He said?
Speaker 2: Moses because he had a veteran mos Malone said hey, Charles,
Speaker 2: he said, you fat and you lazy. That's a hell
Speaker 2: of a combination. You could be one of the other
Speaker 2: old Joe, it be both. No, you can't bet those
Speaker 2: two right, And that's what I tell you. Guys said,
Speaker 2: look you in football, you could be old and fast
Speaker 2: or young and slow, but you can't be two together.
Speaker 3: You can't be old and slow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be over there on the sideline, No, you'll.
Speaker 2: Be out to leave oldie slow gets you out to
Speaker 2: league old and fans to keep you on the sideline.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But I just I just hope he gets it figured out.
Speaker 2: I just hope to figure he gets it figured out,
Speaker 2: because man, he is so immensely talented, and you just
Speaker 2: want to see the best, especially the guy that you
Speaker 2: see and you know they got it in the Moho.
Speaker 2: You know they talented you, you've seen it. It's not man, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but a no, we've seen what he's healthy.
Speaker 2: He's an All Starnox office.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is, thought Joe.
Speaker 2: That's that's his career, that's his future, and he has
Speaker 2: to he's gonna he gets to determine it.
Speaker 3: Jared's Triple J. Jared Jackson Jr.
Speaker 2: Was one selection away from the biggest bag in NBA
Speaker 2: history twenty two points a game, All Star, All Defense,
Speaker 2: still not enough to crack the all the NBA Triple
Speaker 2: J showlder numbers where they too many big names, too
Speaker 2: few spots, and just like that, just like that, Triple
Speaker 2: J misses out on a super Max contract three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million what he could assigned for one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million instead two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3: Abrica Dapple vanished. I'm going to the board.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not about what you did, it's about how
Speaker 2: crowded the room was.
Speaker 4: That's not fair.
Speaker 2: That's where you ride the merry go round, get candid apples,
Speaker 2: cotton candy, and you know sometimes you can see a pig,
Speaker 2: the betty lady and the tenders at the fair.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know that's not fair.
Speaker 2: You get what you get, what you earned, not what
Speaker 2: you deserve. So let me ask you a question. Who
Speaker 2: you taking off the All NBA selection teams? Who you
Speaker 2: taking off and putting them on there for.
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 5: No, h it ain't ain't nobody to take off because
Speaker 5: they only for a goddamn reason.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's what I tell when people say, man,
Speaker 2: he should have gone to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 3: Who are you taking off? He should have been an
Speaker 3: all stark? Who take it off?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But the fact that if you've made it, if you
Speaker 5: were able to make it, and the difference in money
Speaker 5: you get when you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been there. I've been.
Speaker 2: I've been to the situations though show that the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2: I have more catches, more yards, and more touchdown And
Speaker 2: somebody went to the Pro Bowl in front of me.
Speaker 3: And my team went to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: When that happened, I guarantee you on the back end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I can tell you that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yep, damn yeah.
Speaker 2: Have more catches yards than touchdowns. A couple of times
Speaker 2: I was second in yards, catches and touchdown.
Speaker 4: Hold on man, So you didn't make the NBA.
Speaker 2: You need to be You need to make one of
Speaker 2: the three all the NBA teams first thing of the thirdeen.
Speaker 3: Or be an MVP. That'll definitely help.
Speaker 2: Two hundred men down the drain, two hundred dollars get
Speaker 2: like that. See shake MVP. No, Now, if you're the MVP,
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna be all NBA. He can sign
Speaker 2: a four year two ninety four or five three eighty.
Speaker 4: Which one are you taking?
Speaker 2: Four for two ninety four? And she is only what
Speaker 2: twenty six? We finned him cross the head again? Yes,
Speaker 2: Jesus crazy yep mm hmm. So guess what when he's
Speaker 2: able to come up again, it'll probably be four thirty.
Speaker 5: Max contracts now regard any regardless of being older.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll still be able to get that.
Speaker 2: You'll still be able before now once you get to
Speaker 2: like thirty six o cho Yeah, I think I don't
Speaker 2: think you can do more than a two year deal, right, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: because they didn't want to play. You know, the adn't
Speaker 2: want because you know, old player be forty years old. Hey,
Speaker 2: I want five years? No damn, where you ain't gonna
Speaker 2: be playing you're forty five, but you everybody gonna come
Speaker 2: in and then, like, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Right after you get to a certain age in the NBA,
Speaker 2: you can only sign two year, two year deals.
Speaker 3: Because I think that's what happened to Lebron.
Speaker 5: Oh I thought he was choosing and purposely choosing to
Speaker 5: sign two years on purpose.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: He's signed two years, but it's one plus an option.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's over thirty eight, okay, so.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight older.
Speaker 2: So oretically, Shay might get two got back, got three
Speaker 2: of these because he'll go from thirty twenty six to
Speaker 2: thirty right, thirty to thirty.
Speaker 4: Four and do another one on the back end of
Speaker 4: two years.
Speaker 3: He might he might do a billion dollars in contracts.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know, it's funny. He's worth every goddamn dying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, it's really that's thing you can argue
Speaker 5: about when it comes to him.
Speaker 2: You know, I love I love I love everything about
Speaker 2: the young man. I love the way he cares himself.
Speaker 2: I love how hard he plays. I love the grind
Speaker 2: that he's put in, the work that he's put in.
Speaker 2: And to see there's nothing better than seeing a plan
Speaker 2: come together when you work extremely hard for something that
Speaker 2: you see like, damn finally because all I want to do,
Speaker 2: all I wanted to do, come follolowch over to see
Speaker 2: what the summer had did?
Speaker 3: What I did in the summer? Did that is playoff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It did?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What's funny when you when you put the work in,
Speaker 5: when you put hours in, no matter what you do
Speaker 5: in life, no matter what it is, you always work always,
Speaker 5: no matter what.
Speaker 3: Ain't nowhere around it on yoe and then and you
Speaker 3: never have to sit back.
Speaker 2: You never have to sit back now one well, not
Speaker 2: one time have I ever sought back about my NFL career,
Speaker 2: says man. If I had just done this, if I
Speaker 2: had ate better, if I had trained, if I had studied,
Speaker 2: ain't I had no regrets. I got everything out of
Speaker 2: my God given ability, everything, I squeezed it all over yo,
Speaker 2: you know I had orange juice and then I ate
Speaker 2: the pulp that you know, I used the zest, the
Speaker 2: orange zest, the cooking.
Speaker 3: So I got everything out of the orange. Was nothing left.
Speaker 2: Walk away with your head hell high, accomplished everything. Pro Bowls,
Speaker 2: all Pro Super Bowls, You and your you and your
Speaker 2: team's Ring of Fame. You one of the fifty greatest
Speaker 2: players that played for your team.
Speaker 3: What nothing?
Speaker 4: Where you get asked on nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing? Because all I it was an opportunity to play
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Man, let me play in the NFL
Speaker 2: two three years. I could say I played a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't get an opportunity to say that, play that,
Speaker 2: and they played high school and played college. That was
Speaker 2: my goal, playing in the NFL. Hey get granted out
Speaker 2: of this? That was it, Ojoe. I mean, look, yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted. I wanted too. I wanted three things really
Speaker 2: for me. That was tango I could put my hands on.
Speaker 2: I wanted to Rolex, I wanted Ferrari, and I wanted
Speaker 2: the house, the air conditioned, indoor plumbing and running water.
Speaker 3: I got that.
Speaker 4: I'm good. I like that.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 2: I ain't need the way I live now I never
Speaker 2: thought that was possible. A hey, even if I had
Speaker 2: just had me at want the window unis oh hoe,
Speaker 2: you know we're going to the window unir condition to
Speaker 2: the window.
Speaker 4: In the window. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: And listen.
Speaker 5: And if you didn't had that, you had we had
Speaker 5: Ther's back in the day. You remember the fans, the
Speaker 5: portable portable you plug into the wall, the little square foul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, an oscillating fans, yea box fans.
Speaker 4: Had one of them, yeah yeah, one of the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we had one that the blade would have
Speaker 2: broke off, so you had to put a block on
Speaker 2: it because it'd be dancing around.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we put a big old, big old blocks
Speaker 2: of fend the block on top of it. I stayed
Speaker 2: right there, kept you cool. Well, actually didn't keep it cool.
Speaker 2: I browing hot ass there because we ain't have no
Speaker 2: air condition. But that's all I wanted, don't Joe, You know,
Speaker 2: get my grandm out of that situation, and I could
Speaker 2: have indoor plumbing, running water and Eric in the house
Speaker 2: that was air condition.
Speaker 3: Boy, you couldn't tell Shanna Sharp nothing.
Speaker 4: I just my mind. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 5: I kind of you know, I've always lived a very
Speaker 5: very very simplistic lifestyle, always lived way below my means,
Speaker 5: my whole thing. Obviously, wanted to play in the NFL,
Speaker 5: wanted to make it really having no desires or understanding
Speaker 5: about you know, Super Bowls and all that stuff until
Speaker 5: I actually got there and the meaning and how much
Speaker 5: they meant, you know, to a lot of people that
Speaker 5: played the game. Yeah, well I was able to play
Speaker 5: and have fun and do it my way. And I
Speaker 5: always wanted to make sure my kids were good. Long Yeah,
Speaker 5: long the kids were good. Anything that they need, anything
Speaker 5: they want for that is taken care of, and everything else.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter
Speaker 1: The volume