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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: We are at least I am coming in hot today,

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Speaker 2: literally actually coming in hot. Were you embarrassed to be

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Speaker 2: next to me on the way into work today?

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Speaker 3: I am never embarrassed to be next to you under

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Speaker 3: any circumstance.

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Speaker 1: What's the temperature outside sixty something today? Yeah, so normally

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Speaker 1: you would wear.

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Speaker 2: A jacket, but this is Coke Wether.

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Speaker 1: It's cold weather for sure, right.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yes, So by the time I made it to

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Speaker 2: the subway, I had to strip down to my tank

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Speaker 2: top and then walked out of the subway and felt

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Speaker 2: amazing with a tank top on.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I was listening to this and I

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Speaker 3: heard Amy Roebox say she stripped down in public to

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Speaker 3: her tank top, the visual I have is different from

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Speaker 3: what I actually saw. When I was on the train

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Speaker 3: with you. Still had you still had pants and other

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Speaker 3: things on, right right, I was sweating profusely. And this

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Speaker 3: is a problem I think a lot of women of

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Speaker 3: a certain age understand. But I've been dealing with this

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Speaker 3: since I was forty, when I was put into a

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Speaker 3: medically induced menopause. That was something that happened from my

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Speaker 3: breast cancer diagnosis and It's one of those things that

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Speaker 3: never gone away. So for ten years, hot flashes have

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Speaker 3: really ruled my life. In this morning, or at least today,

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Speaker 3: that was an extra special fun commute, extra special fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, Eddie. I knew people were staring at me.

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Speaker 1: It was embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: But this happens every day, several times a day, and

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Speaker 3: I know when it's going to I can tell when

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Speaker 3: it's happening. It's fun for me now, it's game because

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Speaker 3: you start ripping off like blankets and whatnot in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the night, and all I do is reach

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Speaker 3: over and I just take my finger and just give

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Speaker 3: it a little slide up your back and soaking wet, so.

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Speaker 1: Wet, so wet. I'm not being dramatic. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not being dramatic. This is a real thing. I

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Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, it's a dramatic event for me, multiple

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Speaker 2: it's so embarrassing. It's happened on planes, and today, I

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Speaker 2: think for one of the first times it happened.

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Speaker 1: On this subway.

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Speaker 2: I say all of this to bring up because this

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Speaker 2: is part of the theme of today's podcast. We are

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Speaker 2: in the month of January, a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: focusing on their health, and I really wanted to take

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Speaker 2: the time today to remind women that.

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Speaker 1: This is a month.

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Speaker 2: This is a reminder as we reset and we focus

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Speaker 2: on improving ourselves, to make that appointment for your mammogram.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people out there know that

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Speaker 2: I'm a breast cancer survivor, and I am only a

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Speaker 2: It had already spread to my lymph nodes, and curiously enough,

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Speaker 2: at the time, the recommendation was that women who had

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Speaker 2: had no intention of going at any point before I

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Speaker 2: save your life. Well, it wound up doing just that

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Speaker 2: for me, and I have been preaching mammograms. They're not perfect,

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Speaker 2: just want to encourage any woman out there who's dragging

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Speaker 2: feel it's necessary, because and we'll talk about this, and

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Speaker 2: I've said this so many times, this focus on family

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Speaker 1: And it's changed, I know.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, it is a part of the equation, or should

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Speaker 3: Can and you should get in there and beyond it,

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Speaker 3: But to your point, and I've had this conversation with

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Speaker 3: And the numbers are so low. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: Fifty that was me and I was definitely to fifty.

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Speaker 2: So I just it's a reminder, and in fact, if

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Speaker 2: In the last few weeks, we've seen two women, women

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Speaker 2: She was just diagnosed with stage two breast cancer and

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Speaker 2: what an impassioned speech CNN anchor Sarah Seidner gave this week,

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Speaker 1: That is appalling.

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Speaker 3: All of those things have an impact. But I am

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Speaker 3: And that's just that We've got to keep beating that drum.

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad Sarah sidon Or, who somebody I worked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you can, anybody google her and google

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: But it's important to note anyone, whatever stage you are,

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Speaker 2: We can extend the lives and create a better standard

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Speaker 2: But right now it remains incurable and it is ultimately terminal,

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Speaker 2: And one of those people is one of my best friends.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Morgan Mitchell. She is a force. I

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Speaker 2: met her five years ago April third, twenty nineteen, to

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Speaker 2: cancer at the age of twenty eight, and that is happening.

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Speaker 2: in the past. And get this, Morgan found her lump

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Speaker 2: on the day she got engaged to her now amazing husband, Bob,

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Speaker 2: who we love and adore. But what an unbelievable date.

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Speaker 2: You know, you always remember the day you got engaged.

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Speaker 2: But she found her lump, and then a few days

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Speaker 2: weeks later, she ended up getting the diagnosis that she

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Speaker 2: couldn't have imagined. That it wasn't just breast cancer, it

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Speaker 2: was staged four metastatic breast cancer that had already spread

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Speaker 1: Well guess what.

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Speaker 2: Six years later, Morgan is in studio with us to

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Speaker 2: So Morgan, welcome to the iHeart Studio.

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Speaker 1: Who Amy TJ. Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this isn't fair, all right, because people can't see

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Speaker 2: Break because it's something that you've fought for that isn't

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Speaker 2: We have one of my favorite people with us here today,

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Speaker 3: And that leads to the numbers. Right, Well, it's disproportional.

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Speaker 3: don't go Google.

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00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: Because you're gonna have all kinds of.

437
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: New ways when you have When you have a cancer diagnosis,

438
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: even if you've survived it and you're in technical remission,

439
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: any little hiccup is a massive wave of fear that

440
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: it's come back.

441
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: But if you have a scratch on the back of

442
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 3: your hand, if you still go. But you go, and

443
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: you do all the research, and then you go ask

444
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: the question you advocate for yourself. What were the challenges

445
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: you had in getting someone to first believe you, listen

446
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: to you, and then take a course of action that

447
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: you wanted.

448
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, great question again. I had mentioned that I had

449
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: an angel of a girlfriend who worked for a breast surgeon.

450
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: She was my first call. I mean, Bob and I

451
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: are laying in Yosemite. He's gonna propose you guys. Had

452
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: mentioned that, and I like, feel a walnut sized lump

453
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: in my breast and I'm like WTF. So we woke

454
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: up on East Coast time and I called my girlfriend

455
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: immediately and had like full on panic attack with her.

456
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: She was eighty percent or benign, and I was like, okay,

457
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: but this doesn't feel right. Doesn't feel like dense breast tissue,

458
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: which is what I had had, and having her kind

459
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: of helped me get through the stages and seeing her

460
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: passion because her mother also is a breast cancer survivor

461
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: and is a breast cancer survivor. That really helped me

462
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of show me the ropes of you know, this

463
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: is your health. You are the one that has to

464
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: go home at the end of the day, not them,

465
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: and you have to live with yourself. And so we've

466
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: kind of always lived by that mantra of what feels

467
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: right for you. Yeah, and Amy te's this a little bit.

468
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Speaker 1: But tomorrow I'm having a masectomy of my left breast

469
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: and I've already had my right breast removed. This is

470
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: very not on protocol for metastatic breast cancer. It's controversial. Yeah,

471
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: it is. Why because typically they don't like to remove

472
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: the host and put you through that trauma of surgery. So,

473
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: like Amy had mentioned, you know, some old school thoughts

474
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: would be that it's terminal, so why put you through

475
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: that from a quality of life standpoint, And so we're

476
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: treating you systemically, you know, from your brain all the

477
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: way down to your toes with the medicine that you're on,

478
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: So why go through that? Because essentially those meds should

479
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: shrink everything and keep you alive. So why do you

480
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: want to go through it?

481
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you have tumors in your liver, correct, yes,

482
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: And why then would you want to remove your breast.

483
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's obviously a very traumatic surgery, which you

484
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: already know, So why do that?

485
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: Ames, I'm going to be thirty five in a few weeks,

486
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: like I need to have my situation situated. I got

487
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: to feel good about myself, and so a lot of

488
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: it is all mental. You know, I had a reoccurrence

489
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: or not a reoccurrence, because I have always had breast cancer,

490
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: but I had more tumors pop up in my right

491
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: breast during COVID, and during COVID, you know, they would

492
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: only do surgery that was required, and so we really

493
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: pushed to get the double missectomy at the time, and

494
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: doctors did not recommend that at the time for me,

495
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: given my situation, given the blood work, given my treatment regimen,

496
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: which is still every three weeks. My butt is in

497
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: that infusion chair. So I had to get back to

498
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: my systemic therapy and get back on the meds, so

499
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: luckily and her two has been working and it's been

500
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: working for two years. And I think you were with

501
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: me at the treatment where I was just asking a

502
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of questions, really pushing. I'm like, okay, well I'm

503
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: not happy. I mean, you got a lot of pushback.

504
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: I want to just say from the doctors, I was

505
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: kind of I was impressed and amazed at your tenacity

506
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: and you coming back at a doctor. A lot of

507
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: women don't have that hutzpot, like they don't feel like

508
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: they can push back from what a doctor's telling you

509
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: because the doctor's told you no.

510
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've been fortunate enough to have such a

511
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: good relationship with my care team where they're willing to

512
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: hear you out. And I do think with metastatic a

513
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: lot of it is quality of life. And I'm going

514
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: to try not to get emotional, but it's like I

515
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: just got married, you know, Bob, and I are like

516
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: wanting to have this fruitful life, and every time I

517
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: hop in the shower, I feel like f in Frankenstein.

518
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

519
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: And you're constantly reminded. So I didn't need to continue

520
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: to feel that way for the next I don't know,

521
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: five ten twenty years that I'm alive, Like, I want

522
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: to make sure that I look and feel as much

523
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: like a woman even though I'm going through crazy treatment

524
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: right now. I lost my hair within her too. That

525
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: was really hard.

526
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: An amazing wig by the way, I mean amazing.

527
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Those Orthodox women in Brooklyn know what's up. Thank you.

528
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: You know, everybody has something that they go through in

529
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: their life. And I think, just advocating for what you want,

530
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: you came with me to that treatment Amy. The next

531
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: treatment three weeks later, I brought in Bob and I said, baby,

532
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I need you. He goes, what do you need? I said,

533
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I need you to have my back, and I need

534
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you to tell them how depressed I've been because behind

535
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: closed doors, like it's been tough. You know, it's not

536
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: all rainbows and butterflies, and this is the raw, real

537
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: stuff where you're like, I just want to feel normal.

538
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know what people discount the fact,

539
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 2: like it sounds superficial and silly to say you care

540
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: about your hair or you care about how your breasts look.

541
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: That is so important because when you have breast cancer,

542
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: so much of what makes you a woman is taken

543
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: away from you. Your ability to have children oftentimes if

544
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: you have a hormone positive cancer like you do, and

545
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: I did your breast and even though yes you're going

546
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: to get a mistectom and you're going to get reconstructive surgery,

547
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing, you know how they feel.

548
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: I know how they feel every time you're in a shower.

549
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: It's so funny you mentioned that, because that is when

550
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm so aware of what I've been through, because you

551
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: have no feeling, and it's a strange. It's like two

552
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: rocks or boulders are like just kind of put on you,

553
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: and it's just like you know, the novacaine you feel

554
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: in a when you have your teeth and you're going

555
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: to the dentist and that's always there on your chest.

556
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: But if you don't look the way you want to look,

557
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: and you don't feel the way you want to feel,

558
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: it's hard to be in it to win it. In

559
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: a way, like the mental part of it is such

560
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: an important part of the physical healing as well, and

561
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: I think that's discounted often.

562
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: But is there a disagreement between patient and doctor sometime

563
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: about what quality of life actually means? You mentioned that,

564
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: but they might think your quality of life it should

565
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: be not having surgery, do you think? But how do

566
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: you bridge that gap? And I assume the doctor. You

567
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: can't just tell a doctor this is what you're going

568
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: to do. Do you have to kind of shop around

569
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: and keep getting second, third, and fourth, and fifth and

570
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: sixth opinions. How does that work when there's a disagreement

571
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: about what quality of life looks like for you?

572
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what was on my side was two

573
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: years of asking for this and really pushing for it.

574
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I love my oncologist, but you're absolutely right. And so

575
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: she actually helped me find the breast surgeon that I

576
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: went and saw, and the breast surgeon has done a

577
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: lot of research on women under the age of fifty

578
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: with oligo metastatic. That word means in one place. So

579
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: I have multiple tumors on my liver that are breast

580
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: cancer positive, but it's in one place. And so the

581
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: research that my doctor had done basically just proved that

582
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: essentially the quality of life and prolonged life was not

583
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: impacted but potentially helped the women under the age of

584
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: fifty livelong. And it was a controversial report because they said, well,

585
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: you researched women that are healthier. I'm giving everybody big

586
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: air quotes here healthier. So you know, I'm thankful that

587
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I had worked out kind of a multi step plan

588
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: with that breast surgeon, and we're thankful that I even

589
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: can do this because I know mentally it's just going

590
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: to make me feel that much better. Like talking about

591
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: the wig, I remember going in the next day to

592
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: work feeling so confident, so common, the game changer.

593
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should not be discounted, and you shouldn't

594
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: be embarrassed to say I need this, this matters, this helps, this,

595
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: This has a huge impact on my well being, and

596
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: it's important for us to be able to say that

597
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: and not be embarrassed about it. Like that is a

598
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: part of this treatment and going through something like this.

599
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: The other big thing I know that you've been dealing with,

600
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: and this is something you know. The average age for

601
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: women to get breast cancer is sixty two, and I

602
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of people think of breast cancer as

603
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: an older woman's disease post menopause. But for people who

604
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: are pre menopausal, for women who were gosh, you were

605
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: twenty eight, you want to have babies, you wanted to

606
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: have a family, You had an idea of what your

607
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: life was going to be. And fertility is such a

608
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: huge thing, especially when you're a cancer patient. You've had

609
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: to go through a lot to even have the opportunity

610
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: to possibly have a child.

611
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that. Yeah. So

612
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: when I found out that it was stage four, it

613
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: was a Friday, December first, twenty nineteen. My girlfriend had

614
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: sat me down and was like, next steps is fertility,

615
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and we'll get you into appointments the following week for

616
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: your oncologists, but you need to figure out your fertility

617
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: clinic now now. I called my GP and I was

618
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: set up immediately at Cornell with a fertility specialist who

619
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: saw me at six am the next morning. And I

620
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: will never forget that. And she was so kind and

621
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: pulled me into her office and said, I'm a breast

622
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: cancer survivor too, We're going to get you through this, kiddo.

623
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: And she's been my doctor from a fertility standpoint ever since.

624
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: But my doctor, my oncologist, fought with my fertility doctor

625
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: back and forth because I had estrogen positive breast cancer

626
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: and I remember this where you know. This then sparked

627
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: a whole heated discussion in our family where the moms

628
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: and our family were like, you gotta just save you.

629
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: You can adopt, it'll be fine, don't worry about it.

630
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: They kind of agreed with my oncologists that said, I'm

631
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: not saving your future babies. I'm saving you, and like

632
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm keeping you alive and again just having your people.

633
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for Bob that he said, well, we're

634
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of great, we're kind of cool. Marks like I

635
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: want that chance to have a biological child. And Bob

636
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: is adopted, and so it sparked a lot of really

637
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: interesting conversation and we pushed back and I remember I

638
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: was onlol, I was getting an estrogen suppressed, starting the shots.

639
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: I will never forget being in a bar in a

640
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: basically doing the men appure, which is all of the

641
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: hormones that you have to take to go through egg

642
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: freezing in a bar because my friends decided to throw

643
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: Bob and I an engagement party nice and just being

644
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: down and literally just shooting up like no big deal,

645
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Like I'll never forget that. And you know, we were

646
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: able to save five eggs, and from those five eggs

647
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: from a twenty eight year old, we have two baby

648
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: girl embryos and now we're working through the sergacy process,

649
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: which also is just mind boggling and crazy, but really

650
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: thankful that we're even in a place and situation where

651
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: we can even afford it.

652
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: But the oncologies, I'm going back because this is my

653
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: ignorance and learning about all this, and I'm assume a

654
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: lot of people are as well. But what is the

655
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: fight between the oncologist and your fertility doctor. What the

656
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 3: oncologist thinks you were putting yourself at risk potentially yes

657
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: by doing so? Yes, What is that? I say, I

658
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: don't completely understand how you making decision about fertility then

659
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: ends up putting you adversely at risk for something else?

660
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: What is that?

661
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: So typically when you're doing IVF, you wouldn't suppress your

662
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: estrogen TJ. So that is basically the big difference is

663
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: that my fertility doctor knew that I had estrogen positive

664
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: breast cancer, so she put me on letrasol. And that

665
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: was the discussion, right of your stage four we're not

666
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: talking around here, you need to get on treatment immediately.

667
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you know you're deer in

668
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: headlights when you first find out this news. And so

669
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: really that's the argument of stage four, we need to

670
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: start you on treatment immediately. And this was my you know, experience,

671
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: but I am sure that other doctors with other stages

672
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: would probably push for no fertility too, so that they

673
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: can immediately hop on your medication and start saving your life.

674
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: It's a delay in treatment.

675
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: You're adding estrogen into your body.

676
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, two weeks, but it was that serious too when

677
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: you hear stage four, two weeks is too too long

678
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: for the oncologist. I don't want to wait a moment.

679
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Right, even though we were suppressing my estrogen, so that

680
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing. I mean, at twenty eight I

681
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: probably should have popped out like thirty eggs, but because

682
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: we were suppressing my estrogen, I only got five. But

683
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: that's five more than I would have had had I

684
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: not done it.

685
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: And at stage two, by the way, my oncologist told me,

686
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: granted I was also forty and already had children, but

687
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: she point blank said this to me almost immediately after

688
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: my diagnosis, you are out of the baby making business.

689
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: Be glad you had two kids, but you're not going

690
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: to do anything. I mean, they did give me a

691
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: two week window, but she was adamantly opposed. Even at

692
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: stage two for me to harvest any eggs. And that's

693
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: something that people don't think about when you now have

694
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: younger women getting this disease at advanced stages. It's something

695
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: that people don't consider, and it's important. It's a big

696
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: part of who we are as women and what we

697
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: thought our life would look like. And when it's taken

698
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: away from you, suddenly it becomes something you didn't ever

699
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: think you had to consider. Exactly what have the emotions

700
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: been for you?

701
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: The emotions a roller coaster, the sergacy stuff, survivor guilt robes.

702
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm I find myself in weird places. You know you

703
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: when you are diagnosed with stage four. Stage four means

704
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. I have friends with it

705
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: in their bones and brain, in their liver, brain, long,

706
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, more than just ol ago metastatic. And so

707
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: for me, it's tough to see those women go. It's

708
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: tough to keep fighting and so it's such an emotional

709
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: roller coaster that it's it's been a challenge. And again,

710
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: friends are huge. Families huge.

711
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

712
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: My family is always just so positive, which is great. Uh.

713
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to be like, Okay, fam I love you,

714
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: but let me be sad. For a second, please like

715
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: cut out the jokes, like this is serious, but cancer.

716
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: Humor works, it works, you need it right it absolutely

717
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: It sounds a cob but it's actually it's a survival tool,

718
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 4: so true.

719
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: And you have to laugh. You have to laugh.

720
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: You have to laugh, and you've taught us to laugh

721
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: and to live differently. We're going to talk more about

722
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: how you live and I want you to inspire everyone

723
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: listening the way you've inspired me. We'll be right back.

724
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Amy and TJ.

725
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: We have more with the amazing Morgan Mitchell and Morgan.

726
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to you you know something that people asked

727
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 2: me even when I had my diagnosis. But I'm sure

728
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: you get this all the time, Stage four metastatic breast cancer.

729
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: I know that some people say it's like the way

730
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: you're treated, it's like almost witnessing your own funeral while

731
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: you're still alive, and people don't know what to say,

732
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: they don't know how to act, they don't know what

733
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: to do. Can you talk a little bit about just

734
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: let people know what's a good thing to say and

735
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: maybe even what's a bad thing to say.

736
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: It's okay, you all, We are going to continue with

737
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: Morgan here just a second. But crazy as it sounds,

738
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: she told us when she came in she was expecting

739
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: a call from her doctor. She has. The surgery we

740
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: talked about is tomorrow, and she just had to get

741
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: up to take the call from her doctor who is

742
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: going to talk her through and explain what the process

743
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: and the surgery is going to be tomorrow. It's amazing.

744
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: We didn't plan this, she said, Hey, guys, just heads up,

745
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: and sure enough the phone rang while we're here in

746
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: the middle of this.

747
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she has to go make sure she knows

748
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: what's happening tomorrow. It's a surgery. It's an amputation. I mean,

749
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: it's not a boob job. I think a lot of

750
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: people think it's just some Oh you're getting new boobs, great,

751
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: good for you.

752
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: I wish I had.

753
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean, no, this is a major surgery and she

754
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: has to get everything lined up and she has to

755
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: know what she's doing tomorrow. So we're gonna let her

756
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: take care of that. In the meantime, I wanted to

757
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 2: mention I was able to talk to And she's also

758
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: been in the news lately. Shannon Doherty. She's also stage

759
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: four metastatic. She was diagnosed with early stage I believe

760
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, and in twenty seventeen she found out

761
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: that in fact it had recurred or there was a

762
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: recurrence and it was metastatic. And she said to me

763
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: after she was newly diagnosed that figuring out the mental

764
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: part of this is the hardest part. And she referred

765
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: me to, of all things, a snoopy Charlie Brown cartoon

766
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: that she says she reads daily to get her through

767
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: the day, to get her going, to keep her mood

768
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: and her mind in the right place. And I was like,

769
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown cartoon, but I was going to share it

770
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: with you all because it's it's really a beautiful thing,

771
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: and I encourage you how to look it up. Charlie

772
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Brown says, I think Morgan's coming back in. Actually, hey Morgan, we.

773
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: Kept going without you, So come on back, sit down,

774
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: come to the MiCT my instructions for tomorrow.

775
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: All right, in the morning, let's go LFG.

776
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: All right. You came right in the middle of I

777
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: was talking.

778
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: You know, you're familiar with Shannonhorty stage four metastatic, and

779
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: she was brave to come out and talk about it

780
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: and be you know, basically a model for everyone to

781
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: look at and watch and see and learn from, because

782
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: there's so much to learn. But she was She referred

783
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: me to this Charlie Brown cartoon that she leans on,

784
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: that she looks to every morning to get her going

785
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: when she's not necessarily in the mood to do just that.

786
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown says to Snoopy, we only live once, Snoopy

787
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: kind of like Yolo. Snoopy says to Charlie Brown. Wrong,

788
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: we only die once. We live every day. And that

789
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: is what I see you doing. What do you say

790
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: to yourself? Who do you turn to? Is it Bob?

791
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Is it yourself when you're feeling like you just don't

792
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: want to get up, when you're afraid?

793
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: It's Bob. It's my closest friends, and you know whether

794
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: it's our safe word. I need a distraction, and my

795
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: girlfriends just crack me up with crazy stories. And if

796
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: for Bob, it's where are we going next? Baby? What

797
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: mountain are we climbing? And Norway's up on our list

798
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: this summer? I love that.

799
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: And you and when you when you were when you

800
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: were interrupted by your doctor, you were going to tell

801
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: us what what people can say should say and what

802
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: they shouldn't say.

803
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so please never say, oh, like you've got this,

804
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I had a mom or a you know, aunt or whatever.

805
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: Everybody situation is different, and so I think, yes, it's

806
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: nice to have common ground, but it's simple, I'm thinking

807
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: about you. I'm here for you. I know that this

808
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: is gonna be tough or I don't know what you're

809
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: going through at all, but I'm here for you and

810
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I want you to know that you're supported or I'm

811
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: part of your army, I'm part of your tribe. Please

812
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: never just blank stares when somebody tells you because they

813
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: don't know what to say. I've gotten that, and that

814
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: probably was the worst because I think a lot of

815
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: us with just emotional EQ after we get diagnosed with cancer,

816
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: know that when people screw up and don't say the

817
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: right thing, it's coming from a place of love or

818
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: the one if anybody can do this, it's you go no,

819
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: that's yeah, No, that one's that one's also not so great,

820
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: or you know, God really just is going to be

821
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: by your side and if anybody can and can fight this,

822
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: you know he'll be there for you. Because you don't

823
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: know what religious spectrum people are on. Let me tell

824
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: you what I've been rollercoasting a round of like my

825
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: beliefs with a cancer diagnosis, and so I think it's

826
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: just really making sure that your friends and family, wives, sisters,

827
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: whoever gets diagnosed just knows that you have their back.

828
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: It's always with you. But do you like sometimes going somewhere,

829
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: going out? I mean, I'm used to going Every time

830
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: I go out with you, we don't end up talking

831
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: about cancer.

832
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: We know God, I thank God, we just don't. But

833
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: is that okay?

834
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: I never think to give a nod to And if

835
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: I didn't know, and nobody knew, they wouldn't have no

836
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: clue that you're going through what you're going through.

837
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: They would have no clue. Yeah, I mean because of

838
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: how you live, the energy you get. We're talking about

839
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: this all.

840
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: You walk into a room sometimes it is dark and

841
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 3: wonder what's wrong with everybody. Sometimes you are the light

842
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: that needs to come into the room. You are always

843
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 3: the light. I have never been in a room where

844
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: you aren't the light when you walk in. Never thank you.

845
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm serious. It's just how you live and your output

846
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: because it's the only thing you can control. And TJ,

847
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: you know I'll never forget when you you're such a

848
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: gentleman and put me in a cab and made sure

849
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: I've found my uber like and got home safe, for example.

850
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: And I think just it's the kind things like that

851
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: that you can do for people that are going through

852
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: things where it's almost like you doing all right, and

853
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: you've done that, and it opens the door for me

854
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: to be like, you know what I'm not or you

855
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm not, But I don't want to think

856
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: about it tonight. So let's party or let's have a

857
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: good time. Let's, you know, get together with a group

858
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: of friends and just be silly, because that's what life's

859
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: all about. I think Amy had mentioned, you know, laughter

860
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: really cures all, and it does.

861
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: It's Fiel's boy. She I messaged her earlier asking how

862
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: you were doing. Her response, yes, let's ingo.

863
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: That is her mantra, and and it is one of

864
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: those things where you can control how you respond, you

865
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: can't control anything else. What's the biggest lesson you have learned?

866
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: Is there one that you can point to through all

867
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: of this? With all of this, I mean, there is pain,

868
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: there is fear, there is suffering. What have you learned

869
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: that the rest of us maybe don't know.

870
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: There's so many lessons from it. I think for me,

871
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: you can't take any day for granted. And I know

872
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that it may be cliche,

873
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: but we don't know what tomorrow holds. And I think

874
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: that keeps me going to have that smile on my

875
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: face and to keep an optimistic demeanor about myself. And

876
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: that's the biggest lesson that I think I could take

877
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: from all of this. And also, you know, there's always

878
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: going to be people that want to bring you down

879
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: or hate on you, and for me, I have no

880
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: time to think about them anymore.

881
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: And you have been I'm gonna cry, the biggest supporter

882
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: with everything that happened last year. You were amazing, like

883
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: you get it, like those are the writer dies and

884
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: you are one of my rider dies. And I know

885
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: you didn't get to meet my good friend Olivia Hutcherson,

886
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: but I know we talked about her all the time,

887
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: and for those who don't know, she passed away just

888
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: after Thanksgiving this past year, after fighting so beautifully and

889
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: living so beautifully for several years with Stage four. But

890
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: when we think about how life is so unexpected, you

891
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: don't know what tomorrow brings. I think cancer patients and

892
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: cancer survivors and cancer thrivers just are a little bit

893
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: more aware of how precious that time is. And you

894
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: have spent it, and you are spending it so well,

895
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: and I am I am learning from you and through

896
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: you how to live better each and every day. You're

897
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: that special and you're that beautiful, and I love you.

898
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: I love you. Two rooms, and get on that get

899
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: on that plane. If you're healthy enough to get on

900
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: a plane and see the world, get on that plane.

901
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Birthday is when yours is coming up.

902
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: With Valentine's Day. You got some Aquarius girls in the house.

903
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: What's the plane for the birthday?

904
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

905
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the next trip?

906
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: Healing up? Next trip? Uh, we're going to Cabo in June.

907
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: Okay? And you tell you mentioned earlier about your treatment

908
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: every three weeks. But just sitting here right now, just physically,

909
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: how do you feel just on a day to day,

910
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: how do you feel physically tired?

911
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't look like I'm tired, but you

912
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: know after a marathon the next day, okay, where you

913
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: have to walk downstairs backwards just to survive. Yes, some day,

914
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: some days. My bad days feel like that, but the

915
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: good days just feel like that runner is high that

916
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: you're just so fortunate enough to experience. And I'm grateful

917
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: that I have marathoning to fall back on because it's

918
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: such a good I think analogy for what I have

919
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: ahead of me.

920
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've still got a lot of marathons to run. Yeah,

921
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: and we're grateful for you. Morgan. Thank you so much,

922
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming in today.

923
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: Thank you. Guys.

924
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: Want to let everybody know you can check out Amy

925
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: and DJ on Instagram to weigh in, say whatever you

926
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: want comments away.

927
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: Let's limit that a little, but I really.

928
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: Do hope that, I really do hope that you listen

929
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: to Morgan and you hear her story and you live

930
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: better because of it.

931
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: And folks get your mammograms. Fellas out there, women in

932
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: your life, you need to remind them it's not just

933
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: about women. This affects us all. So men you are

934
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: in this game as well, remind them all. There is

935
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: a ninety percent survival rate within five years for people

936
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: who are diagnosed with breast cancer. So this is something.

937
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: If it's called early, if it's diagnosed, if it gets

938
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: to treatment, this is something you can absolutely get past

939
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: and deal with, and we need to remember that. And

940
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: we know one in eight women are diagnosed with breast cancer,

941
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: but you know what that means, seven out of eight

942
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: won't be So everybody has to be in this to

943
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: support the one in eight. And your words something you

944
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: didn't you said before we started. You said I got

945
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: slapped in the face with life, and that stuck with me.

946
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 3: I wrote that down to the top of my page.

947
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: But I love that you got slapped in the face

948
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: with life. And when that happens to you, Morgan, you

949
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: are You are the absolute And I don't say this

950
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: just because you're sitting here. I say this behind your

951
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: back all the time. You are an anomaly. You are

952
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: a joy like I have never seen. And if she'd

953
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: never told me you had metastatic breast cancer, you just

954
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: that chick is awesome because of the way you are,

955
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 3: period point blank. So I will say it here publicly.

956
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: I say it behind your back. I don't say it

957
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: to your face enough. You are an absolute joy and

958
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: an anomaly in life. And I'm so glad I got

959
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: to meet you. I'm sorry that breast cancer brought us together.

960
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: Breast cancer brought you two together, but you know that's

961
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: how life goes sometimes. But I just wanted to say

962
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: that to you. Here you are and I love you too, girl.

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00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: Thank you guys,