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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. All right, back to

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Speaker 1: kind of our tech focus this hour, our team around

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Speaker 1: the globe and across the United States, continuing to report

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Speaker 1: out on some of the big tech events that are

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Speaker 1: happening on this Tuesday. Right now, we want to head

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Speaker 1: to Google Io. It's Google's annual developer conference. It focuses

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Speaker 1: on the company's advancements in AI, Android operating system, smartwatches,

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Speaker 1: and it's scam detection tools. And Tim, it's happening right

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Speaker 1: now in Mountain View, California.

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Speaker 2: That's where we find Bloomberg News technology reporter Jack Devallos

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Speaker 2: with Google's Liz Reach.

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Speaker 1: He's vice president and head of Search at the firm.

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Speaker 1: Hey Jackie, Hey Tim.

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Speaker 2: And Carol Liz, it's great to have you today.

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Speaker 3: A pleasure to be with you here today.

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Speaker 2: The big news that came out of that keynote speech

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Speaker 2: was really AI Mode. It's what everyone was really hoping

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Speaker 2: to get an insight into what's next for search, and

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Speaker 2: you called it the most powerful search and Geniette described

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Speaker 2: to us why this is a total reimagining of the

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Speaker 2: search experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've seen with aio reviews that it's

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Speaker 3: been really great for people, enabling them to ask new

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Speaker 3: types of questions. But we also saw that people really

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Speaker 3: wanted to say sometimes they have those hard questions, they

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Speaker 3: want to go directly to an AI powered response. They

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Speaker 3: wanted to ask follow up questions because they're trying to

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Speaker 3: do something in more depth in research, and so we

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Speaker 3: really thought about what does that experience look like for people,

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Speaker 3: and how do we bring it in so that they

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Speaker 3: can ask truly their hardest questions and then continue to

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Speaker 3: explore and take action throughout the web.

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Speaker 2: So is this the end of the blue links?

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. I think both within aiover reviews and

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Speaker 3: within AI mode, AI is actually allowing us to go

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Speaker 3: deeper into search. It's allowing people to find that hyper relevant,

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Speaker 3: incredibly fresh content that really matches your need. If you

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Speaker 3: think about it, if you are doing more of sort

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Speaker 3: of a keywordy style, you only gave a few words.

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Speaker 3: You didn't really describe what the particular type of shoes

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Speaker 3: you want are. And you saw with the shopping example today, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you're really describing this is the type of rug

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Speaker 3: I want to buy, can you find that great small

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Speaker 3: merchant that sells the perfect rug for you, and so

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Speaker 3: I think that will continue to thrive going forward.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest questions is really around search has

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Speaker 2: really come up around do I use one of these

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Speaker 2: other chatbots open ai for example, or Meta whatever's out

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Speaker 2: there these days, to kind of ask it these questions

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Speaker 2: in the same way that I used to use Google

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Speaker 2: Search for when it comes to Google's products, why do

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Speaker 2: you want users? Do you prefer to have users go

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Speaker 2: through the Gemini app or to search? Kind of what's

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Speaker 2: the unique benefit of going to search in the case

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Speaker 2: for more specific and more complex questions. I think search

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Speaker 2: is really designed around helping you with your information needs.

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Speaker 2: It's tuned to really think about things like accuracy and factuality. Oftentimes,

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Speaker 2: when you have these information needs, you want to get started,

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Speaker 2: but then you want to go deeper and research more.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you're looking for camps. You want some good

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Speaker 3: idea for camps, but we actually want to check out

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Speaker 3: the camp sitans, right, and so search is really designed

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Speaker 3: to make those questions possible and really focused on doing

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Speaker 3: the best job possible when you have questions with really

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Speaker 3: at information focus.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned accuracy, and Google had some issues with accuracy

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Speaker 2: kind of in the more early days of this technology.

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Speaker 2: How did you know that AI mode was ready for

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Speaker 3: So we have quite thorough testing that we do constantly.

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Speaker 3: We have the feedback from the users in the Labs product,

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Speaker 3: but also put it through extensive testing around the factuality,

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Speaker 3: around the helpfulness of the product, and really seeing that

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Speaker 3: both from our benchmarks as well as from the user feedback,

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Speaker 3: we believe it is ready.

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Speaker 2: The agent kind of aspect to artificial intelligence is something

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Speaker 2: that everyone is really curious about when it comes to search.

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Speaker 2: What do agents mean in that context? Is it going

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Speaker 2: to be kind of us feeding information into search or

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Speaker 2: kind of it doing it for us in the long run.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe a couple of things to highlight, and

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Speaker 3: we talked about how we're bringing Project Mariner in today

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Speaker 3: to search. On those cases. For instance, you're trying to

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Speaker 3: buy baseball tickets, you would have to go to hundreds

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Speaker 3: then allow you to take action. But I think this

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Speaker 3: taking the drudgery out of the work for you. That's

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Speaker 3: how we think about in search, but still keeping you

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Speaker 3: in control. Right, So what's the part of the task

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Speaker 3: you don't want to do, but then coming back and saying, well,

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Speaker 3: which of these do you want? Right? I think if

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Speaker 3: you're trying to pick tickets or you're trying to buy

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Speaker 3: a great purse, both of those, at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, you probably still want to sign off on

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Speaker 3: that final choice. And so we're really thinking about the

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Speaker 3: role of both reducing the effort but enabling you the

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Speaker 3: agency to participate.

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing a lot about engagement, so users are going

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Speaker 2: to be using this in a different way, possibly for

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Speaker 2: law longer and more efficiently. Earlier this year, an Apple

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Speaker 2: executives said that the number of Google searches in the

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Speaker 2: Safari browser was starting to take down. Do you expect

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Speaker 2: that AI mode could actually reverse that trend?

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Speaker 3: So, as we stated, overall search queries are up, including

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Speaker 3: on the Apple platforms. But I think you also heard

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Speaker 3: from Sender today aioverviews has driven an increase in queries

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Speaker 3: already today. I think we expect with AI mode that

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Speaker 3: will happen as well. It's really an expansionary moment. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of questions that you might think about in

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Speaker 3: the time or effort to go ask them. And as

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Speaker 3: technology unlocks this, we saw this with aio reviews. People

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Speaker 3: just come and they asked that question that used to

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Speaker 3: pop in their head, and they would let go and

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Speaker 3: do that. And so we really expect the space to

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Speaker 2: One of the areas that I know publishers and content

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Speaker 2: creators are really curious about is kind of what the

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Speaker 2: longer term impact of aioverviews is on them. Can you

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Speaker 2: kind of break down how you expect AI mode kind

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Speaker 2: of largely available to affect that cohort.

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Speaker 3: So I would say two things we saw with aioverviews

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Speaker 3: which means people spend more time on them, they're really

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a great thing of getting really

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Speaker 3: high quality content, and we are looking forward to doing

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Speaker 3: the same thing with AI mode as well. I think

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Speaker 3: also say I still expect the vast majority of people

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Speaker 3: to interact primarily on the main search experience with aioverviews.

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Speaker 3: AI mode is really for those harder tasks. It's for

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Speaker 3: the subset of people that really want to be on

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Speaker 3: that sort of cutting edge frontier of models. But AIO

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Speaker 3: reviews and the main search page continues to be a

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Speaker 3: great place for a lot of your questions. When it

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Speaker 3: comes to antitrust, it's on our viewer's minds. We're Bloomberg

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Speaker 3: and we're really focused on what those implications could be

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Speaker 3: on the broader business model. Judge last year ruled that

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Speaker 3: Google's dominance in search was an illegal monopoly, and of

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Speaker 3: course the outcome of that is still really yet to

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Speaker 3: be seen. But for you in your shoes as head

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Speaker 3: of search, how are you thinking about the effect that

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Speaker 2: On your roadmap?

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Speaker 3: So in general, we stay just focused on building the

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Speaker 3: best thing for our users. People continue to choose Google

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Speaker 3: because they find it helpful, not because they have to,

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Speaker 3: and that is really our north star and has been

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Speaker 3: for years. You go back to that mission of organizing

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Speaker 3: all the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.

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Speaker 3: We're a long ways away from the end of that right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: we've come a long way in the last twenty five years,

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Speaker 3: but there's still so many opportunities to make information more useful.

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Speaker 3: We talk today about how we think the future of

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Speaker 3: search is going beyond information to intelligence, really helping you

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Speaker 3: in a deep way with your needs, and that's that's

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Speaker 3: what gets us motivated every day.

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Speaker 2: So you don't see the outcome of that antitrust trial

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Speaker 2: kind of affecting your strategy in search going forward or

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Speaker 2: slowing it down in any way.

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Speaker 3: So we don't generally comment on pending legislation, but I

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Speaker 3: think in general we'll continue to try and build amazing

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Speaker 3: products for users that people love, just as we have

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Speaker 3: over the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: Liz Rae, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining having me Carol