Speaker 1: Hi, Sabrina, Hi Will. We've got a big one today,
Speaker 1: a big, big one, and it leads me to a question.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Five. There's too many to say five. And I think
Speaker 1: we've had this same I've given you the same question before,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to give it to you again because
Speaker 1: now you've had several months to think about it, and
Speaker 1: I know you've only been thinking about this question and
Speaker 1: no other question. You haven't been thinking about your kids
Speaker 1: there well being nothing, it's just this question as it
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 2: What are you about to throw at me?
Speaker 1: Best trilogy? Oh, best trilogy ever?
Speaker 2: We've had this conversation we have, Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 2: even remember what I said last time, best trilogy.
Speaker 1: Because you can't say best five the quad, daram. I
Speaker 1: mean there hasn't been enough things that do five movies.
Speaker 2: Franchise.
Speaker 1: I guess you best franchise. I guess that's probably the
Speaker 1: best way to ye. What do you think is the best?
Speaker 2: I'm obviously gonna say Marvel?
Speaker 1: I mean, right, But that's right, isn't it? But is it?
Speaker 1: Is it all of Marvel? I don't know Marvel.
Speaker 2: I really love toy Story. I think that's what what
Speaker 2: I said before. Toy Story.
Speaker 1: I have to watch the one.
Speaker 2: I know you have that. That's how that's how right? Yes,
Speaker 2: and you have done yet. No, if you want to
Speaker 2: take Ledger and that would be his first like in
Speaker 2: theater movie, which I think would be really great, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: So I think the toy Story one is a big
Speaker 2: jump out one.
Speaker 1: What was your first in theater movie?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I need to ask my parents.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: Because I have no idea. Interesting, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember. Honestly, this is the god honest truth.
Speaker 2: If my anniversary, if you ask me what my anniversary is,
Speaker 2: it's either the sixth or seven of what month October?
Speaker 3: You really can't remember your anniversary because does Jordan remember it?
Speaker 1: Jordan will remember.
Speaker 2: It, but I have to look in my notes just
Speaker 2: to remember exactly if it's the sixth or the seven.
Speaker 1: When's well, hopefully you've done your research. When's my anniversary?
Speaker 1: Come on, Sabrina, when's my wedding?
Speaker 2: And by the way, don't count on me to call
Speaker 2: you on your birthday. I'll call you either several days
Speaker 2: before it or several days after and remembering it. And
Speaker 2: if I remember it before I call, because I know
Speaker 2: I'll forget.
Speaker 1: Day of You know, I'm that person. I'm not that
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm that person where other than this year obviously,
Speaker 1: where I'm doing something big. Most most of the time,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, that's right, it was my birthday.
Speaker 1: Like I just I'm not a birthday guy. I never heard,
Speaker 1: not at all. I love how by the way, well
Speaker 1: you you did answer you're gonnay toy st Oh. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. It's way too difficult to question difficult.
Speaker 1: I just did there. I just made you answer yes. No,
Speaker 1: I mean i'd say Star Wars Potter. No, okay, Harry Potter,
Speaker 1: and I like Harry Potter, but no, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: Harry Potter for for best franchise.
Speaker 2: Would it be like Star Wars? Or maybe that.
Speaker 1: Was my first movie in the theater? Was was Empire
Speaker 1: Strikes Back?
Speaker 2: Was the really wow?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I you know one that I love that I keep
Speaker 1: talking about where it's I talk about it as arguably
Speaker 1: one of the best trilogies of all time is How
Speaker 1: to Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, you've mentioned, which was which was great, so
Speaker 2: even the third one I liked the third one okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I have I've.
Speaker 1: Okay yeah, no, It's like that's what I mean by yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch choice story for I told Susan I
Speaker 1: had a date this weekend. She's like, you know. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we have the live show, Big
Speaker 1: Big put mets for a live show on Thursday, and
Speaker 1: I go on Friday, I have a date night. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm going on a date She's like, what, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm having a date night. She goes, okay, can I
Speaker 1: ask with whom you're going out? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going out with Prince Adam. She's like, excuse me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Prince Adam he man starts streaming this Friday,
Speaker 1: and I've wanted to see the new e Man. So
Speaker 1: I got a date with Prince Adam. And she's like
Speaker 1: that's weird. Okay, great, we'll have fun on your date.
Speaker 2: Mean that you're going by yourself?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I have it here in the in the
Speaker 1: house date nights. So I'm yeah, I'm gonna light some candles,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dress up nice. I don't know where the
Speaker 1: knight's go I don't know where the night's gonna go,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know where the Knight's gonna
Speaker 1: go to night jos Is see there you go anywhere?
Speaker 2: Wow, Welcome back, you gotta do the Internet.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Magical Rewind, the show that makes you
Speaker 1: want to grab your friends, your pj's, and your popcorn
Speaker 1: and go back to a time when all the houses
Speaker 1: are smart, the wave tsunamis and you were not imagining
Speaker 1: me shirtless candles lit, watching he Man.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I had that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, let me do that again, shirtless covered in chicken
Speaker 1: fat and watching he Man, I'm wilfredell. Oh my well,
Speaker 1: there's a reason we're talking franchises because shuffle the cards, everyone,
Speaker 1: we are entering into uncharted territory for Magical Rewind. We're
Speaker 1: returning to the most prolific decom franchise in Disney history.
Speaker 1: It's the fifth installment to the Descendants franchise Wicked Wonderland.
Speaker 1: But keep in mind, Descendants is only going to be
Speaker 1: alone in this achievement for a little while, because I'm
Speaker 1: guessing at some point in the very near future, after
Speaker 1: the announcement of Cheatah Girls four, there will eventually be
Speaker 1: a fifth Cheah Girls. My guess is they're going to
Speaker 1: do the kind of thing where they're rebooting and then
Speaker 1: there's gonna be three new with the new cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine they would go through all the
Speaker 2: hooplah of getting a new cast in the US. A
Speaker 2: great word, planning on doing multiple ones.
Speaker 1: You know, it's also good with uh hoopla rigamarole. Yes,
Speaker 1: there you go, we got a lot of them. But
Speaker 1: it's true. Speaking of the Cheetah Girls, we all know
Speaker 1: that Suberno is lucky enough to attend the premiere of
Speaker 1: this movie and interview some of the stars, So I'm
Speaker 1: sure she's been chopping at the bit to talk about it.
Speaker 1: So here we are, because you're gonna have to tell
Speaker 1: us all about it. This is, of course a massive
Speaker 1: release for the channel where it premiered on July sixteenth,
Speaker 1: dropping on Disney Plus the next day, and as of
Speaker 1: recording this podcast, it is the number one movie on
Speaker 1: the streamer. I'm kind of amazed that it wasn't one
Speaker 1: of my movies that's number one. Still like National Lampoon's
Speaker 1: Gold Diggers, not a good movie. Don't go looking for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is, of course the sequel to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Is the Rise of Red, which we didn't love, the
Speaker 1: start of a new life for the series, shifting the
Speaker 1: focus to a younger generation and leaving us with a
Speaker 1: bit of a cliffhanger. Wicked Wonderland shot in Vancouver, So
Speaker 1: it is a Canadian franchise obviously April and May of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and mixed together familiar faces from the
Speaker 1: last movie with a whole crop of new characters. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we talked about regular franchise rankings. When it comes
Speaker 1: to just Disney franchise rankings, where does Descendants rank for you? Sabrina?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you excited to think the series is
Speaker 1: going to keep going forever? Which is a safe bet
Speaker 1: since it's popularity. He's not showing any signs of slowing down.
Speaker 1: What did you think I could.
Speaker 2: Do another one?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 2: I really love this franchise. I think it is, you know,
Speaker 2: being such a Disney kid and loving all of the
Speaker 2: like original og cartoon movies that Disney puts out and
Speaker 2: taking them and looking at like the next generation of
Speaker 2: all those like heroes and villains. I just I love
Speaker 2: the absolute foundation of this franchise and I think it
Speaker 2: is just so clever, and I love it, but you
Speaker 2: have to pay attention, especially in this one, because we're
Speaker 2: gonna read a lot of new characters. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: takes you a minute to know who's what. Like I
Speaker 2: honestly didn't put one character in stack with it for
Speaker 2: the majority of the time, and like almost the press
Speaker 2: junket that I went, I'm not kidding it was it it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're kind of it's getting a little muddled, a
Speaker 2: little muddled. But I do love the idea of like
Speaker 2: what these new characters or what these characters that we
Speaker 2: know and love or hate, you know, with the villains,
Speaker 2: what they're like Descendants would be like, you know, and
Speaker 2: where they take their storyline. So I really think it's
Speaker 2: just so clever and I enjoy this franchise a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you can only watch Descendants movies from now
Speaker 1: on or Zombies movies from now on school musical movies.
Speaker 1: Sare you which ones? Which one? Or camp Rock like
Speaker 1: all their franchise camp Rock.
Speaker 2: It would it would be between the Descendants and the Zombies.
Speaker 1: For me, that's not an answer which one is? Which one?
Speaker 1: Is it? You can only go to one?
Speaker 2: Ah, I can't, I think I I think it have
Speaker 2: to be Descendants interesting. I think you have to interesting.
Speaker 2: I think you have to just because I have there
Speaker 2: it is, I have so much nostalgia with the characters
Speaker 2: that these that are the parents of these characters that
Speaker 2: were meeting and and scene, So I think it have
Speaker 2: to be that interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such. It's so clever. The the idea of
Speaker 1: the descendants of all the major villain that being said
Speaker 1: Zombies was built from the ground up, you know, there
Speaker 1: was there was no past lore to it, and was
Speaker 1: also just so clever. And that first Zombies movie, I mean,
Speaker 1: the first Ascendants movie was great, yes, but that first
Speaker 1: Zombies movie just stuck with me with all the dancing
Speaker 1: and the singing and the Yeah, it just there was
Speaker 1: something about concept. Yes and Coo and Bucky and everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just there was something about that.
Speaker 1: I'd be hard pressed to say. I don't know which
Speaker 1: franchise as a whole I liked better, but that first
Speaker 1: Zombies movie was really kind of incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like that about the first But again,
Speaker 5: then you had like bad Dragon in first Descendants movie,
Speaker 5: so there was a couple of things in that that
Speaker 5: was kind of like but.
Speaker 2: I feel like, wait, yeah, that was in the first movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it kind of the c G I wasn't
Speaker 1: good and I.
Speaker 2: Feel like though the Zombies movie wasn't set up to
Speaker 2: be was Do you feel like the Zombies movie was
Speaker 2: set up to be a franchise?
Speaker 1: No, I think remember they wanted it to be a pilot.
Speaker 1: It was zombies versus cheerleaders, but it became it was
Speaker 1: just so good game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it became a movie. So I bet you like
Speaker 2: budget wise like they didn't they don't feel like they
Speaker 2: didn't attempt anything like that.
Speaker 1: In the it still looked I don't know, but this
Speaker 1: is yeah. Well okay, well we'll get into what we
Speaker 1: thought about this one anyway. Yeah, so here, that's a
Speaker 1: tough question.
Speaker 2: I know, mad you asked me that I know spinning.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna come back next week and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got an answer, I got a different answer.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Well let's talk soundtrack, because there is no chance a
Speaker 1: Descendants movie can come out and uh not have some
Speaker 1: very new music. The first single, Perfect Princess, made its
Speaker 1: debut on American Idol last season. We always talked about Synergy,
Speaker 1: a new tactic for the channel that promoted the upcoming
Speaker 1: movie to millions of viewers, and as you can probably predict,
Speaker 1: all the songs in the soundtrack are performed by cast
Speaker 1: members and used in the movie, because well, it's a musical.
Speaker 1: There have since been two other singles released, Mad Wicked,
Speaker 1: Wonderland and Dancing with the Enemy. So, without spoiling anything, Sabrita,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the music here in the
Speaker 1: fifth Sentence movie and how do you think it compared
Speaker 1: to the other four?
Speaker 2: There are actual like when we talked about this movie,
Speaker 2: the fourth movie and the third movie as well, we
Speaker 2: said there weren't any like standout songs, perfect princess, stand
Speaker 2: out song, not just me. My kid won't stop singing
Speaker 2: it like it is just constant. She watched it one
Speaker 2: time and was singing it like in the car on
Speaker 2: the right home like she that. So there are definite
Speaker 2: like those, the jingles that stay with you, that stick
Speaker 2: with you. I definitely think this this movie leveled up
Speaker 2: on their music in a big way.
Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more. I was tapping
Speaker 1: my toe the whole time. I felt like I haven't
Speaker 1: had that in the last couple Descendants movies. Yea, and
Speaker 1: this one. It was there were several that I was like,
Speaker 1: okays are actually good songs, not just good Disney songs
Speaker 1: or good movie songs. They're good songs. Yes, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you one hundred percent. We are
Speaker 1: getting to recap Wicked Wonderland right after its release, which
Speaker 1: is always fun. And now you I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can see my script, but you is in capitals.
Speaker 1: Can watch it on Disney Plus two. But make sure
Speaker 1: to do it before October eighteenth, twenty forty five, because
Speaker 1: I've heard a prophecy about that being the end of
Speaker 1: the world. It'll start with a small earthquake, then we'll
Speaker 1: see Locus and a sinkhole will appear in Rio de Janeiro,
Speaker 1: sucking each one of us in, one by one, very slowly,
Speaker 1: until no one has left anyway, enjoy Wicked Wonderland now
Speaker 1: in Disney Plus. So let's release the Dodo birds and
Speaker 1: enter the maze. That is the synopsis. Red and Chloe
Speaker 1: discovered they've created a dangerous new reality where Maddox Hatter
Speaker 1: has become a villain and Wonderland is in peril. Teaming
Speaker 1: up with Red's new sister Pink and a fresh new
Speaker 1: crop of heroes and villains. They must now rescue the
Speaker 1: Queen of Hearts and undo the consequences of time travel Sabrina,
Speaker 1: I already know your answer, but early thoughts on descendance
Speaker 1: wickled Wonderland a massive hit for the Disney Channel in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. What did you think?
Speaker 2: I loved this movie, and I feel like we might
Speaker 2: need to implement a new role when it comes to scoring,
Speaker 2: to where we can veto the other's score, because I
Speaker 2: remember when I gave the last one a nine and
Speaker 2: you were like, you're you're kidding me. You should have
Speaker 2: vetoed me. Because now that I've got this one too, you.
Speaker 1: I'm canceling your Yeah, I'm canceling.
Speaker 2: Your opinion, just being like, no, that's not no. I
Speaker 2: can't let you.
Speaker 1: I will let the internet machine judge you harshly. I
Speaker 1: don't need to do that for your score.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's true. There's quite a few of them out there.
Speaker 2: I love it so much that I was like, how
Speaker 2: in the world did I score Rise of Red a nine?
Speaker 2: Because this place, I mean that was that was an
Speaker 2: incorrect scoring. And I'm not sure what was in.
Speaker 1: My water that day.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but this movie, I mean surpassed. It
Speaker 2: surpassed Rise of Red in such a big way for
Speaker 2: me that I and I love it. But again, it's
Speaker 2: all about the experience, right, Like I got to go
Speaker 2: to the big premiere with Monroe and all of that,
Speaker 2: But even just watching it by myself, I really did
Speaker 2: like it. So I first, that's love.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I agree. And I did not have any
Speaker 1: of the pop and circumstance Foo for All, Huchi Bootsy,
Speaker 1: all the stuff we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: Well you could have.
Speaker 1: I could have. I know I could have, but didn't.
Speaker 1: But it was, uh, it was great. It was I
Speaker 1: you know, felt like I had to slog through Rise
Speaker 1: of Red and again the last time with Rise of Red.
Speaker 1: I'm such a purist when it comes to time travel movies.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's like one of my niche things. Yes
Speaker 1: that it really pissed me off, all the just the
Speaker 1: gaping timeholes this movie was. I thought it was back
Speaker 1: to like early descendants of what it was. Great singing,
Speaker 1: great dancing, great cast, really amazing sets, good basic kind
Speaker 1: of story in a world we hadn't seen before. Yeah
Speaker 1: this should I mean again, I get what they had
Speaker 1: to do for the first one. But this should have
Speaker 1: been the start of the new version of Descendants, like
Speaker 1: the Rise of Red. You didn't need Rise of Red.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like you could have. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know what you'd have to take out of this one,
Speaker 2: but you could have just done a quick recap of
Speaker 2: like what's gone on and what happened, like like those
Speaker 2: little stories that they do in the front, like the
Speaker 2: little stories that they do in almost every single one
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, this is what's happened before, this is
Speaker 2: where we're at now, and keep a pushing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something I agree, because it was a little
Speaker 1: it was strange. You also could have gone the opposite way,
Speaker 1: where you know, Descendants was all about the descendants of
Speaker 1: villains coming to Orodon and becoming good. You could easily
Speaker 1: have done something where it was actually a descendant of
Speaker 1: a hero from Oordon who was wrongly convicted of something
Speaker 1: sent to the island, and it's from the point of
Speaker 1: view of a good person turning quote unquote a good
Speaker 1: person turning bad. You could have reversed the whole franchise.
Speaker 1: So but this was I mean, it was super enjoyable
Speaker 1: this movie. It really was. I felt like they got
Speaker 1: back to basics.
Speaker 2: That sets amazing.
Speaker 1: It looked incredible, it sounded good, the songs were bops.
Speaker 1: It was I even started to well, we'll get into
Speaker 1: the dance stuff, but anyway. It was directed by Kimmy
Speaker 1: Gatewood or Gatwood, a new name to the dcom universe,
Speaker 1: but a long standing staple in the LA and New
Speaker 1: York comedy scene. She is the co creator of The
Speaker 1: Apple Sisters, a musical comedy trio which is hysterical. I
Speaker 1: just want to see whatever that is that performed at
Speaker 1: Montreal's Just for Laughs and the Use Theater. She will
Speaker 1: also be recognized by fans of the Netflix show glow Or.
Speaker 1: She played Stacy, one half of the geriatric tag team
Speaker 1: the beat Down Biddies. Never seen that, but gonna rush
Speaker 1: to now. But she has now transitioned behind the camera,
Speaker 1: where she's directed shows like Crazy Ex Girlfriend, Ghosts, Girls,
Speaker 1: Five Ever, and Going Dutch. She also won an Emmy
Speaker 1: for her work on Disney Plus's Muppet Mayhem. This is
Speaker 1: definitely her biggest undertaking, especially since there are rumors and
Speaker 1: they're just rumors at this point. People, So if you're driving,
Speaker 1: pull over, sit down, do what you gotta do. But
Speaker 1: the movie's budget for a d COM was ninety five
Speaker 1: million dollars. Geez, ninety five million dollars. That is a
Speaker 1: full ten million dollars more than the already record breaking
Speaker 1: number for Rise of Red. So this is officially the
Speaker 1: most expensive dcom ever. Did it look expensive to you
Speaker 1: at ever? This is dcom ever? Well, it's also the
Speaker 1: fifth one. It's the fifth of five. Ever. Did it
Speaker 1: look expensive to you? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it done, I mean it was. The money was
Speaker 2: spent correctly, I mean ough, I.
Speaker 1: Agree one percent. And like I said, we have a
Speaker 1: mix of returning actors and new editions, starting with Kylie
Speaker 1: Cantrell as read the new face of the franchise and
Speaker 1: honestly the channel as a whole. First seen on YouTube
Speaker 1: and TikTok, which I think her Internet things. Cantrell is
Speaker 1: best known as Gabby, the titular character on Disney's Gabby
Speaker 1: Duran and the Unsittables. There are more titles in this
Speaker 1: breakdown that I'm not going to understand than in anyone
Speaker 1: we've done before, but has also been seen on Raven's
Speaker 1: Home high school musical, The Musical, the series, and Just
Speaker 1: Roll with It. So she's the real product of the system.
Speaker 1: She is also signed to a record deal, of course,
Speaker 1: and she just released an EP, which the cooler people
Speaker 1: in the world tell me means like a song or
Speaker 1: an album or something, so go and check it out.
Speaker 1: Malia Baker returns as Chloe, the offspring of Cinderella and
Speaker 1: Prince Charming. She's been previously seen on shows like The Flash,
Speaker 1: Are You Afraid of the Dark, and The Babysitters Club,
Speaker 1: And new to the series we have Leamani Segura as
Speaker 1: Princess Pink. Her first role ever was Emmy on High
Speaker 1: School Musical, the musical series, which I will never get
Speaker 1: tired of saying. And it's not only part of the
Speaker 1: Descendants franchise. She will also be in Camp Rock three
Speaker 1: coming out soon. So between her and Malachi, it does
Speaker 1: seem like Disney is just casting these kids across properties now.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't even have to ask if
Speaker 1: that was the thing before, because of course it was.
Speaker 1: They've been. Disney's been doing this for rever It's one
Speaker 1: of the things they're great at. As you get into
Speaker 1: the Disney machine and if they like you, they just
Speaker 1: keep putting you in and it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and it helps promote the next thing, right,
Speaker 2: I remember That's how it was with Raven. She had
Speaker 2: just finished her first season of That's So Raven when
Speaker 2: we were shooting The Cheetah Girl. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: that all helped promote each other.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, absolutely fight yep, and Leonardo nam is back
Speaker 1: as Maddox Hatter. He's been in a ton of stuff
Speaker 1: over the past twenty years, including Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
Speaker 1: Is that literally just a movie about pants?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the same producers the Cheetah Girls and The Cinderella,
Speaker 2: the movie with Brandy. It's like a pair of pants
Speaker 2: that all four of these girlfriends, they all have different bodies,
Speaker 2: different styles and stuff, and they like send the pair
Speaker 2: of pants to each other while they're away from each other,
Speaker 2: and it always shows up at the time where they
Speaker 2: like are in need of like.
Speaker 1: Compara pants like that. Okay, gotcha a pair of pants? Okay.
Speaker 1: The man's version is called The Brotherhood of the Only
Speaker 1: pair of underwear that men own. Oh god, no.
Speaker 2: Please don't send that to each other.
Speaker 1: And then we've got He's also in Fast and Furious,
Speaker 1: Tokyo Drift, and Westworld, but now he has a son,
Speaker 1: Max Hatter played by Brendan Trembley. Trembley is a working
Speaker 1: Canadian actor who will also be in the upcoming Disney
Speaker 1: Channel show Coven Academy. Another new name, Kiara t Romero
Speaker 1: is Hazel Hook. She was a background actor in the
Speaker 1: dcom movie The prom and this is her first featured role.
Speaker 1: I love hearing stories like that. Congrats, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Her character saying it now was my favorite in this movie.
Speaker 2: I loved Hazel. I loved that a female was doing
Speaker 2: a hook villain character. That was very cool to see,
Speaker 2: like a girl taking on one of those characters. Oh
Speaker 2: and I thought she was so good, so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super cool all the way around.
Speaker 2: Shout out Kiara.
Speaker 1: They were all kind of great. Yeah. Melanie Packson returns
Speaker 1: his Fairy Godmother, the only original cast member still in
Speaker 1: this thing, and from Rise of Red, Paalo Malta bought
Speaker 1: his back as Prince Charming. As are two of the
Speaker 1: biggest examples of stunt casting for the modern day channel.
Speaker 1: Brandy of Once Again Cinderella is reprising the role she
Speaker 1: had in the nineteen ninety seven original movie, which I
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet, and Rita Ara is the Queen of
Speaker 1: Hearts I think both ladies were amazing in last descendance,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy to see them back. And let's say
Speaker 1: hello to another recognizable name, Aquafina, as the voice of CHESSI,
Speaker 1: the New Cheshire Cat. Aquafina began her career as a
Speaker 1: rapper on YouTube and has since transitioned into TV and movies,
Speaker 1: starting with Neighbors two, then landing in other big films
Speaker 1: like Ocean's Eight Crazy Rich Asians, Jumanji, The Next Level,
Speaker 1: and The Bad Guys. Now, if you love this cast,
Speaker 1: let me be the first to tell you about disney
Speaker 1: World's Collide. That's right, it sounded the way I said it.
Speaker 1: But it's called disney World's Collide or disney World's Collide
Speaker 1: or disney Worlds Collide, depending on how you'd like to
Speaker 1: make The emphastis a tour coming up involving cast members
Speaker 1: from Wicked, Wonderland, Descendants, and Camp Rock three that will
Speaker 1: start in September and be hitting a lot of big cities. Sabrina,
Speaker 1: should we go to this? Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? I was pissed we missed the
Speaker 2: last one. We absolutely should go to this.
Speaker 1: Do they fight to the death, because that would be
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh my god, the only person left
Speaker 1: is one person from Camp Rock three like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's not how that works. No, there, I
Speaker 2: saw snippets from the last tour. It looked great. I
Speaker 2: think it's brilliant on oh my god, jeez thing because
Speaker 2: like when we were all out on tour at some point,
Speaker 2: we were basically fighting each other for ticket sales, right
Speaker 2: like parents were having to decide do we want to
Speaker 2: go to uh Hannah Montana, Miiley Cyrus Tour, High School
Speaker 2: Musical Tour or Cheeah Girls Tour like we were, you know.
Speaker 2: So for Disney as a company, this is perfect, right, brilliant,
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that the ticket prices are just through
Speaker 2: the roof. I haven't looked at it, but I do
Speaker 2: know it's in September, it's coming up soon.
Speaker 1: Well, that'll have to determine whether we go or not,
Speaker 1: because if it's super expensive, I'm gonna go to that.
Speaker 1: Come on, you can buy.
Speaker 2: Leomani told me that I should go, so, you know,
Speaker 2: being one of her new besties, I feel a little obligating.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well we'll see. I might be I don't know
Speaker 1: what day it is, but I might be busy that day.
Speaker 2: You probably will.
Speaker 1: I have a lot going on as to you. Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: this is the fifth movie. It costs almost a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars to make, but that does not give it
Speaker 1: a pass to be longer than ninety minutes. We know
Speaker 1: that every movie from Gone with the Wind to Biodome
Speaker 1: should be an hour and a half, no more, no less.
Speaker 1: We've specifically proven it here scientifically, so is the fifth
Speaker 1: time of Charm Descendants. Wicked Wonderland runs ninety five minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh five minutes off the target, which is too long
Speaker 1: by all accounts. I can't believe they need a sixth
Speaker 1: movie to try to get it right, but it seems
Speaker 1: to be the case. Shame on all those involved.
Speaker 2: The third one was even longer. Remember, oh my god, I'm.
Speaker 1: Still watching it. Yeah, it's I'm yeah, I'm on day eight.
Speaker 1: Once again, Hollywood's longest running writing team, Sarah Parriott and
Speaker 1: Jozanne McGibbon are given. They're created by credits, and we
Speaker 1: see the return of Dan Freeman and Rue Summer, the
Speaker 1: writers behind Rise of Red. But now we have a
Speaker 1: new addition to Mara Dannison. Dannison won the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two Children's and Family Emmy for Outstanding Fiction Special with
Speaker 1: Disney's Sneakerella. She also wrote Netflix's Moxie and Amazon Primes
Speaker 1: Something from Tiffany's. She is now set to write an
Speaker 1: untitled rom com starring fellow iHeart employee Nick Jonas for Netflix.
Speaker 1: By the way, Nick, if you get me this year
Speaker 1: for Secret Sanna, just ignore the twenty dollars limit.
Speaker 6: Dancing with the Stars is looking for a new pro
Speaker 6: and since last season I came in eighth place, I'm basically.
Speaker 7: An expert easy there. I've spent my entire life in
Speaker 7: the ballroom, so maybe you could use some help.
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Speaker 1: So now did you hear from them? For once in
Speaker 1: my life? I'm mad for Wicked, Wederland and dancing with
Speaker 1: the Enemy. It really is who I am. So let's
Speaker 1: get into the newest Descendants. The movie opens with a
Speaker 1: new character, Chessie, the child of the cheshire Cat, filling
Speaker 1: us in on everything that happened in the last movie,
Speaker 1: all over some expensive special effects for those with a
Speaker 1: very bad short term memory. Red turned her mom from
Speaker 1: villain to hero by changing the past, something that has
Speaker 1: triggered some unintended consequences and created some chaos. We see
Speaker 1: the newly minted friends Red and Chloe open the Wonderland
Speaker 1: vault and hide the time traveling pocket watch that allowed
Speaker 1: them to jump decades. Okay, I'm gonna start nitpicking, just
Speaker 1: because that's what to do. So they have a vault
Speaker 1: where all the most important things are, but kind of
Speaker 1: anybody can open it if they find it at the
Speaker 1: middle of the maze. That's not a vault, that's just
Speaker 1: a place you put things. Did they have to do
Speaker 1: anything to get into it other than get to the
Speaker 1: middle of the maze.
Speaker 2: They didn't show that. No, but I assumed it was
Speaker 2: Red was the only one that could.
Speaker 1: Like Red didn't open it at the end.
Speaker 2: I know That's what I was confused about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thank you. Sorry. Well, it's it's a pretty
Speaker 1: big I think it's that's an everybody sees because it's like,
Speaker 1: why why is that there? And also if there's not
Speaker 1: to jump ahead to the end. But I'm assuming that
Speaker 1: people that watch the movie are going to watch a
Speaker 1: movie are not going to watch a movie. But if
Speaker 1: you have another place to throw it that makes it
Speaker 1: go away forever and keeps all your secrets, why not
Speaker 1: put it there.
Speaker 2: I don't think she was wanting to get rid of it.
Speaker 2: I think she was wanting to hold on to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe you could, Okay, gotcha. I still that made
Speaker 1: it was weird to me, but it was right if
Speaker 1: anybody can.
Speaker 2: Open it right right from the start. However, no one
Speaker 2: really knows where it is. That's the one thing that
Speaker 2: the same thing it's in the center of the maze,
Speaker 2: but nobody knows it's there. But I guess at the end,
Speaker 2: I was like, but she went to it after Chloe,
Speaker 2: But I guess we then knew where it was because
Speaker 2: of the maze. That was the thing. Like Mad Hatter
Speaker 2: even when he saw it later, doesn't know where it is.
Speaker 1: Right right by the way. Super easy maze if you've
Speaker 1: been through it once with Red and then you remember
Speaker 1: how to get to the middle again. That's not a
Speaker 1: tough maze. Just saying there's better hiding places.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I had a birthday party that had a
Speaker 2: maze situation and my dad was up on top watching
Speaker 2: us all and like filming us. I got so pissed
Speaker 2: I quit. I was like, this birthday sucks.
Speaker 1: And then you couldn't get out of the maze to
Speaker 1: get to your cake. I'm dying out.
Speaker 2: I could successfully stomp out the way I wanted to
Speaker 2: because I was lost exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my Well, anyway, we see the newly minted friends,
Speaker 1: Red and Chloe opened the Wonderland Vault and hide the
Speaker 1: time traveling pocket watch that allowed them to jump decades.
Speaker 1: They think they solved everything, but were told someone saw
Speaker 1: them and knows exactly what they're up to. Erasing one
Speaker 1: villain created another Wonderland is about to be a lot
Speaker 1: less one. We're now in Red and Chloe's bedrooms. The girls'
Speaker 1: alarm clocks go off, and our first song begins, Perfect Princess,
Speaker 1: all about how peace was restored and they saved the day.
Speaker 1: As besties, Redd and Chloe get ready for their day
Speaker 1: back at school and eventually are joined by the entire cast,
Speaker 1: including the Queen of Hearts and Cinderella. During the song,
Speaker 1: Red is freaked out to meet her new sister Pink
Speaker 1: and two horny new classmates, Robbie Hood and Louis Madrigal.
Speaker 1: Mad had her son Max and his crew, which includes
Speaker 1: the cool looking kind of twin sons of mister Smeeth,
Speaker 1: seem to have some friction with the hero kids now,
Speaker 1: so there's like teams that have formed in this new version,
Speaker 1: this new world. As the song ends, Redd and Chloe
Speaker 1: realize things are different than what they were used to
Speaker 1: and they know why they changed the past, but they
Speaker 1: promised to figure it out together. Okay, Sabrina, you know
Speaker 1: this as the podcast resident Song and Dance Aspert, I
Speaker 1: think we already know the answer to this, let's get started. First,
Speaker 1: big number, what'd you think good?
Speaker 2: I kind of got nervous at the beginning. All the
Speaker 2: talking and all the stuff that I didn't really love
Speaker 2: from the first one is how it started.
Speaker 1: But it did.
Speaker 2: Explain and put you into like understanding that, like they're
Speaker 2: picking up on the things that have changed now, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: Once we got out and in front of ord On
Speaker 2: or right that's the.
Speaker 1: School, yes, or on prep.
Speaker 2: Or on prep. Once we got out in front of
Speaker 2: you know, it was like this was what I was
Speaker 2: needing from the last one. The big numbers, the tons
Speaker 2: of dancers, the like flow of it. I mean, this
Speaker 2: was such a great way to start this movie. I
Speaker 2: thought it was incredible and loved right away seeing Rita,
Speaker 2: Aura and Brandy reprising their roles, Like right away it
Speaker 2: was like yes, yes, yes, that's what I'm saying. When
Speaker 2: they give you exactly what the audience wants, then you're
Speaker 2: like in for the long ride.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't agree with you more. I was tapping
Speaker 1: my toe the whole time.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, this is a this is a banger,
Speaker 5: this is a good song, cute song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you could saw in the theater already these
Speaker 2: people that are seeing it for the first time. Now,
Speaker 2: I had seen it already just once. But other people
Speaker 2: you could hear it, You could feel people like already
Speaker 2: like chining In, Yeah, humming to it. You could feel
Speaker 2: it in the theater for sure. At the premiere.
Speaker 1: Was definitely a good first song. Now we're over in
Speaker 1: Wonderland and Chessie tells us all about Maddox Hatter, Red's
Speaker 1: former mentor and the new villain. The once kind hearted
Speaker 1: inventor went so mad searching for his pocket watch the
Speaker 1: Queen of Hearts banished him to the Isle of the Lost.
Speaker 1: Now he's determined to find his prize and get revenge.
Speaker 1: We also finally see the Cheshire cat narrator, and it's
Speaker 1: nothing like the Chesshire we know. She's like a small
Speaker 1: little rainbow tabby. It has a cool looking little cat.
Speaker 1: It was cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We then enter Maddox Hatter's room with Chessie. Maddix declares,
Speaker 1: after all these years of searching his urriculum, remember that word,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna keep coming back, has found the pocket watch.
Speaker 1: The Queen of Hearts has it in her vault. Wonderland
Speaker 1: can finally be his and the Queen of Hearts could
Speaker 1: be dead, but he needs her alive until they find
Speaker 1: the vault, so he sends his mechanical Dodo birds real
Speaker 1: proof of the budget if you ask me, which I
Speaker 1: also thought it was weird though to pick Dodo Birds,
Speaker 1: a flightless bird, but then he says, why did I
Speaker 1: give you wings like he made them fly? So I
Speaker 1: was doing a whole thing in my head. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that later. To search the palace grounds, the croquet gardens,
Speaker 1: Tolgi Woods, and every royal outpost in Wonderland for his
Speaker 1: pocket watch. And for the first time in the movie,
Speaker 1: we are at Ordon Prep. Well it's actually yeah, we're outside,
Speaker 1: but they're dancing before, So yeah. Red and Chloe are
Speaker 1: walking outside the school talking about their weird mornings and
Speaker 1: all the things that have changed. Redd says she doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to feel about anything now that Max Hatter
Speaker 1: is a VK. His dad was her advisor and now
Speaker 1: he's evil. Chloe blames the crew he's been hanging out with.
Speaker 1: Hazel Hook is ruthless and always bossing around her flunkies
Speaker 1: like the Smea Twins and Felix, doctor Filier's son. With
Speaker 1: these scary tarot cards. Did you know who doctor Facilier
Speaker 1: was at the time? I didn't either. I had to
Speaker 1: google it. Have you seen Princess and.
Speaker 2: The Frog, Yes, I have, but it's not one that
Speaker 2: I recognized the names as much as the other ones
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: There's so many modern ones Moana and Canto, the Princess
Speaker 1: and the Frog, Brave Like, I haven't seen any of
Speaker 1: these new movies, so I have to No, I have
Speaker 1: to go check out all these I haven't seen. I
Speaker 1: stopped with like, I stopped like with those kind of
Speaker 1: movies with I think up, yeah, no, Coco. Coco was
Speaker 1: the last one I saw, which made me yikes. I
Speaker 1: looked like a crazy I looked like the crazy man
Speaker 1: in the seats. In Fear, a student runs from Felix
Speaker 1: and bumps into Red, throwing her into husky Luis Madrigal's arms.
Speaker 1: This is the son of Luisa Madrigal, the strong daughter
Speaker 1: in Inkento.
Speaker 2: This is the character that I had no idea. The
Speaker 2: first one just went by me. I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: no idea who that person was, And then I was thinking,
Speaker 2: he seemed more like he was the son of Gaston.
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw him so at.
Speaker 2: First I'm like, wait, he's not. He's a villain, Like
Speaker 2: he's not what's happening? And then finally I realized, like
Speaker 2: way after way after who it was?
Speaker 1: Okay, who it was? Yeah, he smiles after catching her
Speaker 1: and tells her her first rescue is free and his
Speaker 1: friend Robbie Hood, they didn't even try to hide that one.
Speaker 1: You know they have sometimes try to hide him, and
Speaker 1: they're like, this is right.
Speaker 2: My brain is so tired. I was happy for the
Speaker 2: easy get.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Captaina Hook. Yeah. His friend Robbie Hood brags that
Speaker 1: Luis always saves the day, and we're thrown over to
Speaker 1: the Queen of Heart's castle. Her Highness is sitting with
Speaker 1: a deck of cards, looking as evil as ever, but
Speaker 1: her demeanor changes on a dime, telling her staff they're
Speaker 1: doing amazing and they deserve a celebration with tea, cupcakes
Speaker 1: and dancing guards. This is clearly a new babyface version
Speaker 1: of the Queen, and we all like her. But as
Speaker 1: she's detailing the party, her security starts falling asleep. A
Speaker 1: mechanical little insect is spraying gas, knocking them all out,
Speaker 1: and that's when Maddix appears. The Queen tells the new
Speaker 1: villain that it's customary for all guests to ring at
Speaker 1: the gate, not to sedate the security. Maddox just wants
Speaker 1: to know where the pocket watches. The Queen of Hearts
Speaker 1: reminds him of their deal. He could return to Wonderland
Speaker 1: if he gives up this ridiculous quest for this mythical
Speaker 1: pocket watch. Unfazed, he demands to know where the vault is.
Speaker 1: She has one more chance to tell him, or he'll
Speaker 1: tear Wonderland apart trying to find it. As she starts
Speaker 1: to fight back, she drifts off to sleep. Maddox declares,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna take it and sits in her chair,
Speaker 1: But before fully passing out, the Queen of Hearts sends
Speaker 1: a message to Red with one of her magical cards.
Speaker 2: This her cards are like one of my favorite asses
Speaker 2: of the movie. I love I love them. They are
Speaker 2: so cool.
Speaker 1: Super cool, definitely. Max Hatter throws Robbie Hood a coin
Speaker 1: for Sherwood's collection box. Louise tells Max that no one
Speaker 1: is buying the act, no matter how hard he tries
Speaker 1: not to be his dad. Now the number one villain
Speaker 1: in the land, Louis trades insults with the vks and justice.
Speaker 1: He's about to come to blows. The Queen of Heart's
Speaker 1: card arrives and is caught kind of coolly out of
Speaker 1: the air by Red. She reads it with concern. Maddox
Speaker 1: Hatter has captured the Queen. Come quickly. Felix grabs the
Speaker 1: card and tussles with Max, who snags it back for Red.
Speaker 1: Pink shocks everyone magically appearing and freaking out about her
Speaker 1: mom being kidnapped. She begins to faint, and Louise catches
Speaker 1: her Very godmother arrives and screams, what the are you
Speaker 1: all doing? Okay, she didn't what the fluff?
Speaker 2: What the fluff? This was probably one of the most
Speaker 2: shocking things that has happened to me in the DCON.
Speaker 2: We've been doing hundreds. It feels like of these movies,
Speaker 2: what the fluff?
Speaker 1: It's what the yes? Full on, what the yes?
Speaker 2: And I I just I in the Okay, I saw
Speaker 2: it already. I was already ready for it, right and
Speaker 2: I could hear I could feel Monroe, who's right next
Speaker 2: to me, kind of let go oh yeah, Like that
Speaker 2: was shocking, really not necessary. I mean, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: a it wasn't like a comedy at like, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a comedic relief aspect.
Speaker 1: And where does it hitter is my question? I mean,
Speaker 1: can you say, can you can the new insult be
Speaker 1: like fluffing birch? You're a fluffing birch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like.
Speaker 1: They when you start kind of swearing, it's like there's
Speaker 1: no end to where they're going to.
Speaker 2: It's like when little kids will or I don't even
Speaker 2: know if they do that anymore, but when I was little,
Speaker 2: it was like when you'd say frick, like what's the frick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaking freakin yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, you're meaning the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 2: So it was really weird, and it was even worse
Speaker 2: for me when I was sitting in the theater, so
Speaker 2: instead of watching it at home by myself, I was like,
Speaker 2: I put it down as a Sabrina Sea's like, did
Speaker 2: we really just do a fluffy way.
Speaker 1: Of saying yeah, yeah you did?
Speaker 8: They did it descending Then when we were in the theater,
Speaker 8: it was like like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 8: if everyone else was gasping, but I certainly was, and
Speaker 8: maybe my gas was so loud in my head that
Speaker 8: I thought that the rest of the people were, but yeah,
Speaker 8: it was kind.
Speaker 1: Of like, what the fluff? Isn't that amazing? And then
Speaker 1: she asked, did my pumpkins go rogue? Again? Those stupid
Speaker 1: she did? She didn't for she just went forward. After that,
Speaker 1: everyone properly ignores her, and Max and his crew know
Speaker 1: when to leave. They walk off, while Red and Chloe
Speaker 1: know that they need to get to Wonderland asap to help.
Speaker 1: So the girls are now it's Cinderella's castle and Cinderella
Speaker 1: isn't having this rushed response. There are protocols to follow,
Speaker 1: of which, by the way, she follows none. Why are
Speaker 1: you not gathering your soldiers? You have a way? And oh,
Speaker 1: don't get me started, Chloe explains. But when it's important,
Speaker 1: rules don't matter, which is what she kind of taught
Speaker 1: her in the first movie when she was her younger self.
Speaker 1: Fairy Godmother admits she's concerned too. Maddox has terrorized the
Speaker 1: kingdom for years with his deranged inventions, and now that
Speaker 1: he's been banished, he's madder than ever. Uma and the
Speaker 1: Ordon Council and we only mention Uma. We don't get
Speaker 1: to see her, and I frankly missed her. I love Uma,
Speaker 1: Uma and the Ordon Council are coming up with a
Speaker 1: carefully thought out rescue plan, but they don't break rules
Speaker 1: even for a good cause, which is ridiculous because Uma
Speaker 1: is known for breaking rules. The girls are bummed by
Speaker 1: this voice of reason. In the hallway of Ordon Prep,
Speaker 1: Max and Hazel Hook can't believe his dad kidnapped the Queen.
Speaker 1: Max knows he'll be blamed for it and wishes there
Speaker 1: was a way he could change that. Hazel tells him
Speaker 1: to stop complaining and do something about it, so Max
Speaker 1: calls for Feeling and the SMEEs to meet him at
Speaker 1: the rabbit Hole. Outside the tunnel, Chloe and Red are
Speaker 1: making their way to Wonderland, disobeying Cinderella and lying to
Speaker 1: save a life. Redd says she's finally got the mom
Speaker 1: she always wanted, and now she's put her in danger,
Speaker 1: and just then Max, Hazel, Felix, and the Smeeze show up.
Speaker 1: Max announces, I hope your plan includes us, because we're
Speaker 1: coming with you to Wonderland, but Chloe isn't interested. His
Speaker 1: crew doesn't exactly align with her plan. Max warns them
Speaker 1: they need someone that knows how to beat his father,
Speaker 1: and he's perfect for the job because he is not
Speaker 1: his father. Pink Luis and Robbie Hood say that three
Speaker 1: times Fast are also arriving to help. So the full
Speaker 1: team is set, and with that they enter the tunnel,
Speaker 1: and frankly, I'm glad it was a big, full team
Speaker 1: and not just the two of them. Again, like in
Speaker 1: the first one, I'm glad there was like eight of
Speaker 1: them that went together. It made the dialogue witty and
Speaker 1: snappy and a fun kind of relationship between all different characters.
Speaker 1: I like that. As they fall down the rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: which is again kind of a cool way to do it,
Speaker 1: Red and Chloe noticed different versions of themselves in the
Speaker 1: mirror and they have no idea what any of it means.
Speaker 1: To point out that Alice in Wonderland is essentially supposed
Speaker 1: to be an opium trip, and they very much kept
Speaker 1: to that. They had the mushroom walking around. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm in high school. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like, there we go. We are back in
Speaker 1: just crazy, crazy trip, my face off world. But they
Speaker 1: do arrive in a beautiful wonderland filled with colorful animals
Speaker 1: like a zebra, giraffe, and assorted flowers. Chloe can't believe
Speaker 1: Red Ever wanted to leave. Red insists this is not
Speaker 1: the wonderland she grew up in, and they head to
Speaker 1: the castle. Hazel asks Max if he's sure they can
Speaker 1: trust the Redhead, and Max says, of course not, but
Speaker 1: it's the only way to stop his dad. Inside the castle,
Speaker 1: the Queen of Hearts wakes up and realize she's trapped
Speaker 1: in Her cards are nowhere to be found, while we're
Speaker 1: now out in the croquet gardens and the kids are
Speaker 1: now trippin' balls. They've forgotten what to do and they
Speaker 1: are just high as hell. I'm kidding, sorry, but that's
Speaker 1: what it seemed like. The super team of kids arrive
Speaker 1: and Pink explains what everything is, pointing out Tickler roses
Speaker 1: living mushrooms, which is clear just somebody running around in
Speaker 1: a mushroom costume. So weird that one was it's with Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one where a kind of it. You won't
Speaker 1: know what this is probably, But in the seventies there
Speaker 1: was a team called Sid and Marty Kroft and they
Speaker 1: made these really campy, really ridiculous television shows like Land
Speaker 1: of the Lost and all these kind of shows. This
Speaker 1: had a Sid and Marty Kroft vibe to me of
Speaker 1: the mushroom running around. It really did. For all you
Speaker 1: kids out there don't know what I'm talking about, Google
Speaker 1: it and you'll be like, Yep, he's right. They're also
Speaker 1: figuring out how to get to and I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying it right, Tolgy Woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's when we see a mecha Dodo bird spying
Speaker 1: from above, and that's my new insult for everybody, You're
Speaker 1: such a mechaddo bird. We fade over then to Maddox's house,
Speaker 1: where Chessie and the Mad Hatter are checking out the surveillance.
Speaker 1: Maddox can't believe his son could betray him like this,
Speaker 1: and in retaliation, he turns to the Queen's cards. Back
Speaker 1: in the gardens, the kids are all noticing something's going on.
Speaker 1: Purple smoke is starting to fill the air, and Max
Speaker 1: nos it's his day and again these are all which
Speaker 1: is one of the things that they say that Alicon
Speaker 1: Wonderland was written like, is these are all the mushrooms,
Speaker 1: the smoke, all different drug references that Disney is using
Speaker 1: to their advantage. But that's what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: We're back at Maddox as he announces the games had begun,
Speaker 1: and we get our second song, Mad, all about his
Speaker 1: wrath and the rath he's about to unleash on the world.
Speaker 1: The track also features Max and the Queen of Hearts.
Speaker 1: What do we think of his declaration of evil?
Speaker 2: I like this song, I didn't necessarily love the visual really, yeah,
Speaker 2: the like I get it. He was able to like
Speaker 2: control it or whatever, but like them, just like it
Speaker 2: was too much like wooh, we're here. Oh, we're here,
Speaker 2: We're here, Like it was just kind of like, yeah it.
Speaker 2: But the song itself is very like cool. I heard
Speaker 2: the song being played at Oogie Boogie Bash at Disneyland
Speaker 2: during hall like I can hear it like Welcome to
Speaker 2: My Man, like as you're like going in. It's such
Speaker 2: a great villain song. But the visuals weren't the best
Speaker 2: for me on this one, to be honest.
Speaker 1: There's an Alice in Wonderland ride isn't there at Disneyland,
Speaker 1: So you know, how long do you think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be before they change it to a Descendants Alison Wonderland.
Speaker 2: I don't think that one is in the like area.
Speaker 2: It's in fantasylands, like Old that's.
Speaker 1: Old school so that you don't think they'll mess with that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You think they'll keep that totally just as it is
Speaker 1: and they'll never do Don't you think they'll do some
Speaker 1: sort of Descendants attraction at Disney?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, maybe like they might play
Speaker 2: the music around there or something.
Speaker 1: Like the characters walking around and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, maybe something like that, but I don't know
Speaker 2: that part of Disney's like Waltz World, like you like
Speaker 2: they're gonna mess with that. That's where like Storybook Ride
Speaker 2: is and like all.
Speaker 1: The like first yeah, the old school stuff one.
Speaker 2: So I feel like people would be upset. I would.
Speaker 1: I'd be would even what if they did it as
Speaker 1: a temporary thing where it's like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this mad Hatter pops on the screen and it's like
Speaker 1: I've taken over and for like a month it becomes
Speaker 1: like a Descendant's ride.
Speaker 2: With that, Yeah, like if it was during Halloween something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are really small and short rides though.
Speaker 1: Ya, I don't know, you have to change the whole area, yeah,
Speaker 1: if it makes sense, and then you just hand out yeah,
Speaker 1: like at.
Speaker 2: Least it's saying like how they do Nightmare before Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But see the thing about those like like Tiana's like
Speaker 2: that yeah Slash Mountain that's wasn't really like and and
Speaker 2: same with like Haunted Mansion, those weren't really like movies
Speaker 2: that it was based on before they.
Speaker 1: Didn't well you know, they made a movie based on
Speaker 1: the Haunted Mansion ride as opposed to the other way around, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if they'd have like, like the same thing with the
Speaker 2: Incredit Coaster was like just the California Adventure. There was
Speaker 2: nothing that and Credit Coaster like took away. It just
Speaker 2: like added to and they.
Speaker 1: Just put their theme on there. Yet No, I get it.
Speaker 2: I would be kind of upset if they took away though,
Speaker 2: like og Alice in wonderlandard tea.
Speaker 1: Bots all right, good cups.
Speaker 9: Okay, So they better not because don't touch it, you
Speaker 9: don't get to do it, don't change anything, and also
Speaker 9: make everything more expensive.
Speaker 1: I can still afford it. While he sings, the kids
Speaker 1: run from and fight off the large dodorboard robots. They
Speaker 1: eventually seek refuge in a tiny house that has many
Speaker 1: rooms and little to no logic. It's all controlled by
Speaker 1: the mad Hatter. It's a real acid trip that almost
Speaker 1: crushes them to death. Eventually, Maddox takes time away from
Speaker 1: his attack to tell the Queen of Hearts that he's
Speaker 1: gonna find her vault if it's the last thing he does.
Speaker 1: How long everyone suffers is up to her. We're back
Speaker 1: in the woods. Luise and Red appear out of a
Speaker 1: door in the ground and have no idea where everyone is.
Speaker 1: They're surrounded by doors, so Luise guesses everyone is behind them,
Speaker 1: and then, kind of like an idiot, Red just picks
Speaker 1: up random keys and doors and assume everyone is fine.
Speaker 1: But as she does, her crew members start falling from
Speaker 1: the sky, landing safely on flowers and mushrooms, undetected by
Speaker 1: Louise and Red, not knowing their return. Red has no
Speaker 1: luck with the doors, and Louise is frustrated. She's lost
Speaker 1: somehow in her own kingdom. But she admits she hated
Speaker 1: Royalty her whole life, and the minute she got a
Speaker 1: whiff of the fresh air, she's screwed it up for
Speaker 1: everyone she's ever cared about. She also very much tells him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up here bro like I did, but
Speaker 1: this was not what it looked like when I was here.
Speaker 2: But like, no one goes, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: What do you mean you to grow up here? I
Speaker 2: don't understand, No, explain it.
Speaker 1: You can't. Time travels very difficult.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: But no one presses her.
Speaker 1: No one, No, there's a lot that they did that's
Speaker 1: still a ripple from the first movie that shows you
Speaker 1: how difficult time travel is. That literally makes no sense
Speaker 1: even in this movie.
Speaker 2: But she has this big like announcement of her lying
Speaker 2: at some point or whatever, and it's like but like,
Speaker 2: no one pressed her.
Speaker 1: Nope, Like, what do you mean, what do you mean
Speaker 1: to go? How is hers? She grew up here?
Speaker 2: We knew.
Speaker 1: You have to keep in mind they all have, but
Speaker 1: they also all have differen See this is this is
Speaker 1: the problem with time travel people. They all now have
Speaker 1: different timelines. So in their timeline they grew up with Red.
Speaker 1: She was the Queen of Heart's daughter in this wonderland.
Speaker 1: So the idea that she didn't grow up here, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right, where everyone would be like,
Speaker 1: of course you did. I knew. I was at your
Speaker 1: fourth birthday party at the castle. Yes, you did grow
Speaker 1: up here. That's what changing timelines does.
Speaker 2: And even like to complicate her in Pink's relationship, like
Speaker 2: Pink could have been like why do you keep acting
Speaker 2: like you don't know what's going on?
Speaker 1: And now, oh, don't get me stick because the Pink
Speaker 1: thing also tore down the line makes no sense, makes
Speaker 1: no sense, and we'll get into it.
Speaker 2: We're getting there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the word. It's like, wait what anyway? Yes,
Speaker 1: Luise gets it. He knows a thing or two about
Speaker 1: family legacy, a blessing and a curse. He's Luisa Madrigal's son.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to strong like her no matter what, red Ass.
Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, that's that's how your Gaston's
Speaker 8: get good.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it? I get this strong thing, got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, red Ass. So that's what in canto's about there,
Speaker 1: it's like a very strong family.
Speaker 2: No, her character, she's like the strongest in the village.
Speaker 2: So they eat. Each of the family members has their
Speaker 2: own power and hers his strength, so she can pick
Speaker 2: up and like she's strong and all of that.
Speaker 1: That's that's a musical too, right, Yeah, okay, it's good.
Speaker 2: I really like that.
Speaker 1: I gotta do a whole deep dive into all those again.
Speaker 1: I need to have I stopped the toy story three.
Speaker 1: I still have to see four so I can see five.
Speaker 1: Red asked what he wants for his future, and he
Speaker 1: realizes that no one's ever asked that of him before,
Speaker 1: and we feel a little bit of flirty tension between
Speaker 1: these two because when hit in the fan, it's time
Speaker 1: to hook up in Cinderella's castle now, while waiting for
Speaker 1: an update from Uma or the Council, Cinderella is handed
Speaker 1: a note the kids have gone to Wonderland. We're back
Speaker 1: in the woods. Has discovered the Dodo Bird. Just as
Speaker 1: Red and Luis rear night with the rest of the crew,
Speaker 1: Pink rushes to hug her still somewhat reluctant sister because
Speaker 1: she doesn't remember her. She was so worried, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like Red cares at all. Meanwhile, Chloe welcomes
Speaker 1: her with a sword, ready to attack the spy Dodo
Speaker 1: Bird so she can rewire it and stay one step
Speaker 1: ahead of Maddox. Great plan, but Red runs off to
Speaker 1: get Max. Chloe tries to stop her, but she's too late.
Speaker 1: When Red does show Max mysterious Dodo bird. He says
Speaker 1: they must destroy it, but Chloe isn't so sure, or
Speaker 1: we can try to use it, which again, great plan.
Speaker 1: You're also you know that the Dodo birds are following you.
Speaker 1: You know that they're watching you and reporting back to
Speaker 1: his dad. Why are you still talking in a full
Speaker 1: like in front of the Here's what we need to do.
Speaker 1: See that Dodo bird right there. First we're gonna capture it,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go to the secret path down
Speaker 1: the back. It's like you're talking into the spy microphone
Speaker 1: that the guy left, Like what do you do? And
Speaker 1: like maybe whisper, Hey, you throw a rock at it
Speaker 1: so it turns it down.
Speaker 2: Matter. At this point, I'm I'm already frustrated for Chloe
Speaker 2: as well, like no one is listening to her, and
Speaker 2: she's right, and she's right, like no one's listening to her.
Speaker 1: You've got the mad Hatter's kid who helped you imagine
Speaker 1: and grew up kind of with his dad in that workshop.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna grab that thing. You're gonna
Speaker 1: rewire it. It's gonna it's gonna lead us right to
Speaker 1: where we have to go. Great freaking plan. That's a
Speaker 1: great that's a great fluffing plan, Sabrina.
Speaker 2: Well, if Max is the son of Maddox Hatter, didn't
Speaker 2: he also grow up in Wonderland. Yeah, because they show
Speaker 2: scenes of them in his workshop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those are supposed to be from because those
Speaker 1: were supposed to be from this is time travel. Those
Speaker 1: are supposed to be from the original timeline where his
Speaker 1: dad was still good, which again makes no sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we'll get it. This is just stay away from
Speaker 1: time travel. Red says it's too risky, but Luis has
Speaker 1: already lifted a tree out of the ground to shake
Speaker 1: it off. Once that doesn't work, the Smee's get to climbing,
Speaker 1: but each other not the true and these are the
Speaker 1: only kids who completely understand that they are on drugs.
Speaker 1: And that's when Max notices the Dodo bird is calling
Speaker 1: for his friends. So they stand there staring at it,
Speaker 1: telling their plan to all the secret Dodobirds. Chloe still
Speaker 1: thinks they should try to reprogram it, but Max suggest
Speaker 1: they leave and Red follow suit. The two girls don't
Speaker 1: seem to be in lockstep as they used to be,
Speaker 1: as Chloe feels ignored. Meanwhile, Hazel notices Felix and Robbie
Speaker 1: are missing, and then we cut to a really weird
Speaker 1: shot of a teacup just floating in the ocean where
Speaker 1: Felix and Robbie are inside, floating on violet waves, totally terrified.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's because they went through another door. This,
Speaker 1: to me, is a very expensive shot that you just
Speaker 1: didn't need.
Speaker 2: Didn't need. Yeah, and in reality, although it added to
Speaker 2: And I feel like when I watch the production routines,
Speaker 2: like the big musicals, it's nice to have more of them.
Speaker 2: But these two characters, like they leave, they come back
Speaker 2: you really and I hate to say, because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to take a job from anyone, but like they
Speaker 2: weren't necessary. They weren't necessary at all. They didn't agree
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I'm in my head thinking they're
Speaker 2: going to be important when it's Pink's storyline. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. But they could have left at some point
Speaker 2: and just came back at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they were not gone on the mission. Huh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gone on the mission.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not gone on the mission, But like that's what
Speaker 2: at some point when they do leave, like they could
Speaker 2: have just been like somehow returned at the end like
Speaker 2: it was they really weren't adding to anything.
Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 1: We are back at Maddox Hatters. The villain is still
Speaker 1: spying on the kids and realizes they're more resilient than
Speaker 1: he thought. He tells Chessie they can't let him reach
Speaker 1: the castle, and the cat is of course ready to help.
Speaker 1: So back at the castle, Cinderella is stressed. She hasn't
Speaker 1: used the looking glass in years, and it leads directly
Speaker 1: to Red's throne room, but the council is taking too
Speaker 1: long and Chloyea is in danger. Something has to be done,
Speaker 1: so just as she's about to jump through the mirror,
Speaker 1: a bunch of vines grow and block her way. She
Speaker 1: steps back concern and grabs her trusty broom. She's on
Speaker 1: her way, but has to change clothes first. Okay, soon after,
Speaker 1: we're at the Queen of Heart's throne. Cinderella broke through
Speaker 1: the vines of the broom and the Queen's excited to
Speaker 1: see her, but surprised she's in trousers. I don't know
Speaker 1: why this needs to happen in the movie. The trousers
Speaker 1: never come back. Also, why the hell do you use
Speaker 1: your one chance to go? I know, but not really.
Speaker 1: She just says, I like them, but why not use
Speaker 1: the mirror you have that leads directly into the throne
Speaker 1: room to go in with soldiers, grab your friend and
Speaker 1: bring them back out of wonderland. Like she goes in
Speaker 1: by herself and they just sit there and have a
Speaker 1: conversation in the middle of the throne room that's been
Speaker 1: captured by the evil guy, like, hey, I like your pants.
Speaker 2: Like, well, she didn't really know what was going Oh no,
Speaker 2: she did. She she did know that.
Speaker 1: She was Yeah, It makes no sense. I'm gonna break
Speaker 1: into the jail cell and then see a jail cell
Speaker 1: with you and talk to you about stuff while we
Speaker 1: wait for the guy to come back. It made no
Speaker 1: sense from a story point, have a reason where she
Speaker 1: can't get through or break through and instantly have her
Speaker 1: soldiers are trapped. I mean, there's so many easy fixes
Speaker 1: other than just I'm gonna walk in and we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit here until we're captured, right, And that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're literally gonna sit in the middle of
Speaker 1: this and have a conversation until we can't escape again.
Speaker 1: And it was like, are you kidding me? You're Cinderella,
Speaker 1: like be a bit of bad nothing so nothing, it's
Speaker 1: nothing Cinderella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does set up for what's next to happen with
Speaker 2: the two queens, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: The sat the song Okay, so how is that not
Speaker 1: as cool a song from both sides of the mirror Cinderella.
Speaker 1: They're touching each other through the mirror where she can't
Speaker 1: get through, and there's her friend and they're talking about
Speaker 1: the old times, and she can't get to her friend
Speaker 1: because just walking in and going now I'm in jail
Speaker 1: with you makes no freaking sense. But Cinderella explains that
Speaker 1: girls are in Wonderland a rescuer, but now they have
Speaker 1: to save the girls the Queen. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: they were going for. They were going for, I'm going
Speaker 1: to come into Wonderland and now you and I are
Speaker 1: going to escape here and we're going to go and
Speaker 1: save our kids. But it wasn't set up well.
Speaker 2: But it didn't happen, no.
Speaker 1: Because they sat there having a song instead of escaping, hey,
Speaker 1: instead of escaping jail, let's do a number. The Queen
Speaker 1: reveals that Maddox has bewitched the Throne room and see,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't want to harp on this, but
Speaker 1: this is where I'd love to have a real character
Speaker 1: in every Disney movie where it's just somebody going, really,
Speaker 1: you're gonna sing, sit here and sing, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And you know that, to me
Speaker 1: is the greatest character ever.
Speaker 2: But then that would be really funny. There's gotta be
Speaker 2: a good villain character. It'd have to be a villain probably, or.
Speaker 1: One of the guards who's just like, you're gonna just
Speaker 1: sit there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or like Doc like one of the dwarfs,
Speaker 2: like you know, like one of the smart characters that's like,
Speaker 2: this makes no sense. Why you guys are wasting time?
Speaker 2: So much time is and then keeps going. So much
Speaker 2: time is being wasted with you guys singing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. First you're talking about how you're scared for your
Speaker 1: daughter's life, but you take some time to put on pants.
Speaker 1: Then then you break in and when you've got the
Speaker 1: time to escape, you use that time to do a number.
Speaker 1: It's like you want somebody just going, dude, what maybe
Speaker 1: sit this one out, derelic because it's not up here
Speaker 1: right now, it's not appearing Brandy.
Speaker 2: Don't tell my girl Brandy to sit down.
Speaker 1: It's just like, come on, then she needs to do something.
Speaker 1: She literally walked two feet and was captured. That was
Speaker 1: that's thanks for the help. I now have to split
Speaker 1: my ration with you. You yeah to see you, but
Speaker 1: I get one plate of food today and now I
Speaker 1: have to share it with you, Like.
Speaker 2: Thanks, all right, Well I promise you I'll just let you.
Speaker 3: Sit there, thank you, thank you, Yes, knock on the
Speaker 3: window and I'll be like it's not don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. Then we're just gonna both be trapped like
Speaker 1: thank you. Anyway, the Queen reveals that Maddix is bewitched
Speaker 1: the Throne Room and so she's locked inside. What the
Speaker 1: guy who bewitches things bewitched something? And then speak of
Speaker 1: the devil? Maddix appears he wasn't expecting visitors. If he
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting visitors, why did he bewitch the Throne room.
Speaker 1: Beyond the looking glass, we see Prince Charming is about
Speaker 1: to walk through, but Maddox immediately blocks the pathway again. Actually,
Speaker 1: Maddox po witch is the entire castle, so no one's
Speaker 1: gonna save them now. And I will say this was
Speaker 1: a piece of Disney magic that I did love. I
Speaker 1: loved how she embraced her broom and it became kind
Speaker 1: of like because the broom of her, of Cinderella having
Speaker 1: to constantly sweep up and do everything that's now like
Speaker 1: a symbol of her power and her resilience. I thought
Speaker 1: was really cool.
Speaker 2: I loved that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Meanwhile, the kids are still on their journey.
Speaker 1: Red suggests they find a place to hide out until morning,
Speaker 1: so they picked the beautiful Lomia tree. As they settle in,
Speaker 1: we see the Dodo Bird is still keeping tabs on them,
Speaker 1: but luckily they're still giving their plans out loud as
Speaker 1: the Dodo Bird is there, and of course Chessie is
Speaker 1: also nearby. Now in the comforts of the tree, Luis
Speaker 1: wants the hero kids to take the lead. He doesn't
Speaker 1: trust the vks. Then a ghostly Chessie appears on Hazel
Speaker 1: Hook's shoulder. He thinks it's time the Villain kids run
Speaker 1: the show, which motivates Captain Hook's daughter to step up
Speaker 1: and claim leadership. Then Chessie pops up on Luis's giving
Speaker 1: him the same advice for the HKS. His plan is,
Speaker 1: do we know that Chessie's a boy? I don't think
Speaker 1: we there's no real gender. It's boy or girl, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's a gender with Chessie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would like to do this without gender if
Speaker 1: I could. Then a ghostly Chessie appears on Hazel Hook's
Speaker 1: shoulder and says it's time the Villain kids run the show,
Speaker 1: which motivates Katain Hook's daughter to step up and claim leadership.
Speaker 1: Then Chessie pops up on Luisa's shoulder and gives him
Speaker 1: the same advice for the HKS. Obviously, Chessie's plan is
Speaker 1: to build tension between the two groups, and it is working.
Speaker 1: This leads us to our next song, did you Hear
Speaker 1: about Them? A battle of strength and bravado between the
Speaker 1: two groups struggling to be the alpha resident expert. What'd
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I loved this song. This wasn't my favorite number of
Speaker 2: the cast. I love the song. Though the song was cute,
Speaker 2: I liked it and I liked it didn't make sense
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know. I didn't like
Speaker 2: their working. I don't know, there was something like that
Speaker 2: was just kind of like, okay, it was isn't like
Speaker 2: bad in any sense. But I did like the song
Speaker 2: the music, Like I said, the music's got me. I
Speaker 2: love the sound track. This wasn't my favorite of all
Speaker 2: of them, but there's so many of them.
Speaker 1: This is That's okay, I I this this should be
Speaker 1: my answer. I don't really remember this one. Oh really yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really kind of I vaguely remember the dancing,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember the song as such, which might
Speaker 1: mean something.
Speaker 2: Well, and then it was interesting to me at the
Speaker 2: end because Red kind of declares that, like the VK's
Speaker 2: one and I was like like, why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's every movie for me where there's like
Speaker 1: a dance off, you know, it's like step up, I'm like,
Speaker 1: or stop the yard. I'm like, wait, how did who
Speaker 1: picked who? One? Well?
Speaker 2: No, no, I could do that.
Speaker 1: That's oh but I can't. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I can kind of just like the VK's one. And
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like they didn't really like
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just a lot of more moving.
Speaker 2: They were moving around each other, moving around each other.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a dance battle.
Speaker 1: Okay, I get you now. Yeah. So the song ends
Speaker 1: with Louis on the ground, but everyone maybe because he's
Speaker 1: on the ground, that's why they think he lost. But
Speaker 1: everyone's still smiling and ready to team up with the
Speaker 1: VKS leading the way. That is until Chessie shows up
Speaker 1: on pink shoulder, pushing here to fight the new leadership.
Speaker 1: When she suggests maybe Max is behind all of this
Speaker 1: with his dad, the few seconds of calculated teamwork is
Speaker 1: instantly over sending everyone off to their own corners and
Speaker 1: creating more tension and division between Chloe and Red. Red
Speaker 1: tries to comfort Max, but he knows no one trusts
Speaker 1: him because of his dad. Red insists she trusts him
Speaker 1: and even believes there's some good left in his dad.
Speaker 1: Max knows his dad is obsessed with the pocket watch
Speaker 1: because he believes he saw time travel in high school
Speaker 1: and this trigger's read he probably saw them, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything. Later that night, and again, if he's
Speaker 1: been so obsessed with seeing these two girls disappear in
Speaker 1: high school, wouldn't he recognize that it was Red? So
Speaker 1: does he know it's the kids?
Speaker 2: Did we get a visual of him seeing the pocket
Speaker 2: watch situation?
Speaker 1: Yes, they kind of do. They show a flashback of
Speaker 1: him sharing the.
Speaker 2: Flashback, but we didn't really see that when we saw
Speaker 2: Rise of Red.
Speaker 1: Right, No, No, they put that in after Yeah, they
Speaker 1: put that. I thought the same thing. Later that night,
Speaker 1: Chloe and Hazel talk about their issues with Red. Hazel
Speaker 1: calls Red the alpha and emphasizes the fact that you
Speaker 1: can only rely on yourself, further strengthening the wedge between everyone.
Speaker 1: Just as Robbie, Oh that's right, Robbie's there and Felix, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: Felix is back return from their teacup adventure, Max realizes
Speaker 1: how to get to his dad through his beloved invention
Speaker 1: the urriculum back at the mad Hatters though he's seeing
Speaker 1: everything and furious with his backstabbing son. He's seeing everything
Speaker 1: is okay, And this is just I don't know, is
Speaker 1: the urriculum is the device he's looking in that sees
Speaker 1: the past president in future, and so if he can
Speaker 1: spy on them through the urriculum, why why does he
Speaker 1: need the Dodo birds?
Speaker 2: I thought that the Dodo birds that's how they were,
Speaker 2: that they were transporting.
Speaker 1: The visual back. And then why can the urriculum look
Speaker 1: into the past and everything else? He can see everything,
Speaker 1: but just not where the kids are except for the dodos, right, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand that. But okay, but I.
Speaker 2: Thought, like, what the what was happening from the point
Speaker 2: view of the of the Dodo birds is what.
Speaker 1: He's seeing on his pocket? Gotcha? Gotcha? He sends a
Speaker 1: magic card on their way, making them disappear upon arrival,
Speaker 1: and transporting them onto a colorful chess board. They wake up,
Speaker 1: and I love I love a good Harry Potter kind
Speaker 1: of giant chess set, big fan of that. They wake
Speaker 1: up tiny, noticing massive butterflies and angry flowers, and when
Speaker 1: the mad Hatter announces checkmate, the chessboard lights up and
Speaker 1: an army of knights takes their places. Chessie says they
Speaker 1: are pawns in Maddox's game and they have to capture
Speaker 1: the king to escape. Chloree realizes they need to play
Speaker 1: chess against the knights, and she takes the lead. She
Speaker 1: knows all about chess strategy. She moves them around one
Speaker 1: by one, but it's quickly put in her place, criticized
Speaker 1: for naive moves. To beat the villain, they have to
Speaker 1: think like a villain, and this leads to our next song,
Speaker 1: dancing with the enemy. This one confused me a little
Speaker 1: bit because I didn't. So she tries to really play chess,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't work. So they fling the guy off
Speaker 1: the board because she puts him more of the pond
Speaker 1: where the pawn is supposed to go. So they say,
Speaker 1: you have to think like a villain. And so a
Speaker 1: villain's thought is a dance off. Sure, okay, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: the good guys think of a dance off? Dancing's good again.
Speaker 1: I'm all for a dance off, you know me. I'll
Speaker 1: wait and line for a dance off.
Speaker 2: I think in a sense, it's like the heroes and
Speaker 2: the good guys would think of like playing, like playing
Speaker 2: by the rules. Like the villains are like, no, we're
Speaker 2: just gonna fight them, gotcha, Like we're obviously just gonna
Speaker 2: go and fight.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. And you can't really fight in Disney. So
Speaker 1: you've danced, so you dance copy that. Yeah makes of course, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's their theme song to win. They start the dance
Speaker 1: battle against the Knights, and it's difficult fight. But the
Speaker 1: big highlight here is Red. This is amazing to me.
Speaker 1: Red throws Chloe towards an evil Flower, using her as
Speaker 1: bait without her knowing, literally almost getting her killed before
Speaker 1: Hazel saves her. But it makes way for Red to
Speaker 1: take out the King, the kid. The kids all celebrate
Speaker 1: the victory, but Chloe's obviously affected by her best friend,
Speaker 1: Shady Mood. It's like she threw her towards like a
Speaker 1: giant spiked. I would be.
Speaker 2: Yes, this would be the end of the friendship. There
Speaker 2: would no need for me to like help you find
Speaker 2: your mom anything your mom could, your mom could shove it.
Speaker 2: I don't care. You literally just almost killed me. Yeah, sorry, Red.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, not even like a trust me
Speaker 1: or you gotta trust me, just throws her towards danger.
Speaker 1: I mean it was.
Speaker 2: Latter like let's go together, and then like what like
Speaker 2: day that show? No, no, seriously hard, We're done.
Speaker 1: We're done.
Speaker 2: Red, have a great time.
Speaker 1: You literally just tried to Kim.
Speaker 2: I will not be helping you.
Speaker 1: Yep, sorry girl, I agree with you. That was rough.
Speaker 2: That was rough.
Speaker 1: Yep. Meanwhile, back at his makeshift castle headquarters in that
Speaker 1: Hatter is fear. He can't believe he's been beaten, so
Speaker 1: he sends a Dodo bird back out into the jungle
Speaker 1: to finally find that pocket watch. And on the chessboard,
Speaker 1: Pink and Red find one of Alice in Wonderland's cookies,
Speaker 1: a cool little callback. While Chloe continues to pout, Max
Speaker 1: tries to make her feel better, but still feels like
Speaker 1: Red was going to sacrifice her, which she was he did. Yep.
Speaker 1: The group decides to eat the cookie, and most return
Speaker 1: in normal size. Pink keeps a piece for later, but
Speaker 1: they leave behind small versions of a Smee, Brother, Felix,
Speaker 1: and Robbie, and again it's like, why did you bring
Speaker 1: Felix and Robbie now back on the way to it is.
Speaker 1: It's true, it was just they were kind of unnecessary characters.
Speaker 1: They were now back on their way to the Mad Hatter.
Speaker 1: The kids know they'll need to stop and rest. The
Speaker 1: Dodo is still on their tail. When they eventually make
Speaker 1: it to the small cottage, it's the White Rabbit's house.
Speaker 1: He's not home, but he's left a note that says
Speaker 1: offer an important date be back next spring. So they
Speaker 1: decide to squat in his house. But Max's other plans.
Speaker 1: He's going to sneak out and go find his dad.
Speaker 1: He asks Hazel to cover for him. All while Chloe
Speaker 1: and Red finally have it out about their issues. Now
Speaker 1: to crossroads with their supposed best friend, Red takes a
Speaker 1: walk with Louise in the beautiful, glowing mushroom garden. Red
Speaker 1: complains all she ever wanted was to leave home and
Speaker 1: find her own path, and yet here she is in wonderland.
Speaker 1: Louis encourages her to accept her true self. She'd make
Speaker 1: a good princess, but again, she is a good princess
Speaker 1: because he grew up in this timeline where the Queen
Speaker 1: of Hearts has always been good. So she's always been
Speaker 1: a good princess. That's the thing that's weird. Then he
Speaker 1: trips into her arms and they have a romantic moment.
Speaker 1: Will they kiss? No, they're gonna sing, And it's our
Speaker 1: next song for once in my life, a poppy duet
Speaker 1: between two possible love birds, and of course, a singing
Speaker 1: dancing duet like this between lovers and Disney is the
Speaker 1: equivalent of third base. So, Sabrina, what did you think
Speaker 1: of this song?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the flip. I loved the choreography in this.
Speaker 2: I loved that it looked very dancing with the stars,
Speaker 2: like Slash fred Astaire Ginger Rogers like. I just like
Speaker 2: loved that aspect of this routine. But the song didn't
Speaker 2: stick with me. I still can't hear it right now.
Speaker 2: The song didn't stick with me, and I've I've rewatched
Speaker 2: them quite a bit because Monroe is again on her
Speaker 2: decendence kick. So that's what my life will be for
Speaker 2: the next couple of months, yealy until camp Rock comes
Speaker 2: and then we'll move on. But the song doesn't stick,
Speaker 2: but the movement I love seeing so much of this
Speaker 2: like world of Wonderland. And then I loved I loved
Speaker 2: this duet. They did it great, did it great? They
Speaker 2: were great partners.
Speaker 1: The choreography in this movie seemed to be a step
Speaker 1: up from the choreography in the last movie all the way.
Speaker 2: Around from it's a different choreographer.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can you could tell. I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It seemed not the same but more Kenny Ortega esque
Speaker 1: than the last show that with the depth of a
Speaker 1: lot of the dancing and some of the bigger numbers
Speaker 1: and even these two dancing together. Just I agree it
Speaker 1: was very classic.
Speaker 2: But again, I think a lot of that has to
Speaker 2: do with how big the cast is. We watched the
Speaker 2: two girls go around the whole time, so we were
Speaker 2: getting a lot of like duet stuff, and like there's
Speaker 2: only so much you can do with that, right, and.
Speaker 1: So much you can do it.
Speaker 2: Thank you go trademark. So you know this, This is
Speaker 2: why I think there might have been some thought of
Speaker 2: bringing kind of some extra characters that don't have big roles,
Speaker 2: but like background kind of becoming like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: character background stuff for routines.
Speaker 1: Good idea. We are back at base camp. Pink brings
Speaker 1: Chloe cake that looks like a teacup Pink is now
Speaker 1: self conscious that everyone just thinks she's sweet, but Chloe
Speaker 1: calls her thoughtful. The two girls connect over living in
Speaker 1: Red shadow Who does Who? Eventually does return, smiling alongside
Speaker 1: her new boy toy, But instead of being able to
Speaker 1: bask in her crushes glow, Chloe and Red once again clash.
Speaker 1: Chloe has had enough, she doesn't feel like a teammate
Speaker 1: or a friend, and they both admit they're drowning in
Speaker 1: this new reality. Instead of working it out, their beef
Speaker 1: just gets more personal. We're back at the Castle. The
Speaker 1: Queen and Cinderella are still working through the ivy. The
Speaker 1: two old pals reminisce about their past, and the Queen
Speaker 1: is upset with herself for letting Maddox return from the
Speaker 1: Aisle of the Lost. They agree they need to just
Speaker 1: start thinking for themselves and not just doing what everyone
Speaker 1: expects them to do. This leads to a song Rita,
Speaker 1: Aura and Brandy intermixed with childhood flashbacks for a song
Speaker 1: called The Girl I Used to Be. It's too heavyweight
Speaker 1: singing together. I'm not even gonna ask you. I know
Speaker 1: great ballad. I felt the same way. It was awesome. Yep,
Speaker 1: it was great.
Speaker 2: Finally, because we did not get to hear Brandy sing
Speaker 2: sing sing, I'm the last one.
Speaker 1: And she can sing sing, she can.
Speaker 2: We gave her this step, and this is what I
Speaker 2: think we have I myself, at least I have been
Speaker 2: waiting for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was great.
Speaker 2: Thank you. My list of things that needed to be done, check,
Speaker 2: got another one check checked, dok. Thank you very much. Yep,
Speaker 2: I agree, Queen Brandy forever.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Once the song ends, Max has made
Speaker 1: it to his dad's to get the curriculum and is
Speaker 1: immediately greeted by Chessie, who thinks the invention has empowered Max,
Speaker 1: not hurt him. Plus, the urriculum can answer any questions
Speaker 1: Max might have about his father, like why he wants
Speaker 1: this thing so bad? And what did he see in
Speaker 1: high school? These queries strike up the machine and we
Speaker 1: see flashbacks. It's the reality before the girls used the
Speaker 1: pocket watch, when his dad wasn't a villain. And none
Speaker 1: of this makes any sense whatsoever from a time travel standpoint.
Speaker 1: You've changed the past. If he could go back and
Speaker 1: watch what his life was before the time travel, why
Speaker 1: would he not then stay good? Because he knew he
Speaker 1: was good then, right, Now, it just gets so convoluted.
Speaker 1: When you change the past, you've have a whole new timeline.
Speaker 1: You can't now look into the old timeline and see
Speaker 1: what it was like. That's just that gets so convoluted
Speaker 1: that it's like, well then, why why did you realize
Speaker 1: you were in a villain and you were so close
Speaker 1: to your son? Why didn't you like that? Why wasn't
Speaker 1: it just it gets too much, you just have to
Speaker 1: It should have been flashbacks from this timeline of him
Speaker 1: seeing the the flash in high school and then being
Speaker 1: obsessed with the watch so much that at that point.
Speaker 1: But no, he's still good and none of it made
Speaker 1: any sense to me. This is where time travel just.
Speaker 2: Gets a flash of seen that it was the two
Speaker 2: of them recognizing that Choe, that it's them and they
Speaker 2: have the pocket watch and they had something to do
Speaker 2: with this timeline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just that. This is where time travel
Speaker 1: just gets weird. But he sees that he wasn't the villain,
Speaker 1: the queen was. He realizes what the girls have done.
Speaker 1: They ruined his family. That infuriates Max, who destroys the
Speaker 1: urriculum in a rage. If he gets his hands on
Speaker 1: that pocket watch, he can make things, make things right.
Speaker 1: He finds a book of dark enchantments and gets right
Speaker 1: to work. On the other side of town, Chloe's still depressed,
Speaker 1: walking among the rabbit houses and singing a new song,
Speaker 1: Heartless and angst written track where she's eventually joined by Max.
Speaker 1: It's a song that's filled with revenge and leads to
Speaker 1: these two deciding to team up again. Another duo, Another song.
Speaker 1: Would you think there were a lot of songs in
Speaker 1: this movie?
Speaker 2: This one could have been cut in half for both
Speaker 2: of honestly, even the one before. As much as I
Speaker 2: love the Dan scene, I felt like these two songs
Speaker 2: could have been cut in half right or was.
Speaker 1: There a way to maybe combine them?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, maybe it's the there one dude. The one
Speaker 1: couple singing about how they're falling in love while the
Speaker 1: other couple is singing about how they're becoming a villain
Speaker 1: like that could have been a cool combination or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I agree with you it could
Speaker 1: have been. The song ends with By the way, all
Speaker 1: the singing phenomenal, so good, phenomenal. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: something that might be a little controversial. I think this
Speaker 1: cast all around are better singers than the original cast
Speaker 1: of Descendants. Will I know, controversial, but but I I do.
Speaker 1: The girl who plays Red has an incredible voice. Incredible,
Speaker 1: so does Lumani So again, so does lumon so. So
Speaker 1: I mean there, I would say, as a group, these
Speaker 1: are better singers than the original cast of Descendants. Do
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I really remember much of anyone
Speaker 2: else besides Sophia, Carson and Cameron.
Speaker 1: Who were phenomenal singers by this phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Singers in that regard. I don't know if I agree,
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think of the other like when
Speaker 2: you're saying the full cast, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: the other ones that how much they sing, And I
Speaker 2: don't think they sing that much.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like they got to.
Speaker 1: It just seem like it seemed different to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I could go back. I haven't watched the original sentence
Speaker 1: in a while. I could go back and watch be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm totally wrong. Sophia, Carson and Dove Cameron way better.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know these seem like
Speaker 1: they're very strong. It's very strong with Brandy with every
Speaker 1: I mean it's strong.
Speaker 2: You don't know, No, you do not get to add
Speaker 2: those two in why not?
Speaker 1: It's the cast of singers. That's why I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think it's a better singers than the last one.
Speaker 2: Who played malefis like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: You had you had, uh, Christian Chenno with I get it,
Speaker 1: I get her Brandy or Kristin Chennow.
Speaker 2: With Oh, they're so different. That's like a Brandy but
Speaker 2: like Kristen's like Broadway, Like it's different, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: she brought character to her voice versus Brandy's got just
Speaker 2: like an incredible.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I'm hearing. Then maybe it's maybe the
Speaker 1: original cast seemed more theatrical Broadway Big Yeah, seems more
Speaker 1: like I want to hear them on the radio singing.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think that that is a big difference in
Speaker 2: in the kinds of musicals that it has now transformed into.
Speaker 1: Right, Like I want to see Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see Kristin chennw
Speaker 1: with on stage. I don't want to buy a Kristian
Speaker 1: Chennow with album Okay, does that make sense? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's and again she's incredible, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be rocking Christian Chenna with in my car whereas I
Speaker 1: could see, you know, and again not my type of music.
Speaker 1: But I could see these singers with their songs, putting
Speaker 1: out albums and listening to it as you're driving somewhere
Speaker 1: kind of things. It's like a different kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's all. Maybe one isn't better or worse.
Speaker 1: You're right, Maybe it is just that they're different styles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the new style seems more hip and fresh than rocks.
Speaker 2: Where are favorite types of style with Kenny Ortega?
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I undred percent Yeah, maybe that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe better is the rock, Yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it is, more modern, Maybe that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the song ends with Chloe indulged in one
Speaker 1: of Max's enchantments and putting on a magical blue diamond bracelet,
Speaker 1: transforming her into a real batty villain with a knife.
Speaker 1: Apparently she's ready to stab Red, which has it coming
Speaker 1: after throwing her into the thing. But anyway, no, she
Speaker 1: doesn't wan to stablish she just wants to take control,
Speaker 1: and the next morning, Red, Pink, and Luis are waiting
Speaker 1: for Chloe and Max's return. Pink gets why Chloe is mad.
Speaker 1: She also feels neglected by Red, and just as they're
Speaker 1: about to have it out, guess who comes back. It's
Speaker 1: Max and a mate for Chloe. Skipping through the yard,
Speaker 1: racing to the Queen's Hedge Maze, Chloe announces she's now cruel, selfish,
Speaker 1: and ruthless thanks to Max. They flip the switch. They
Speaker 1: are villains now. Max reveals he knows all about the
Speaker 1: watch and the damage it did. Red says she never
Speaker 1: meant for any of this to happen. As the two
Speaker 1: new villains run off into the maze, with Red and
Speaker 1: Louise chasing after them. Pink, once again left out, arrives
Speaker 1: just in time to see the maze close. Inside the maze,
Speaker 1: Red and Louise try to find the other two, but
Speaker 1: just keep running into ivy walls. They hear the cackling
Speaker 1: of Chloe, but the maze is just too big. Louise
Speaker 1: then holds open a closing wall to help read through,
Speaker 1: but once she clears it, it closes on him and
Speaker 1: she promises to come back and then doesn't.
Speaker 2: Never does no.
Speaker 1: She literally sees him at the end and is like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: you made it. Never goes back.
Speaker 2: You're so right. She he pops up and she's like
Speaker 2: you may out and he was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no exactly. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 1: I want to say, Louise.
Speaker 2: This little baby romance we had over done done.
Speaker 1: Yep, I thought the same thing. Yep. Anyway. Uh. Now,
Speaker 1: alone in the maze, Red starts to hear voices. It's
Speaker 1: all the hatred she's caused in the movie. She sees Chessie,
Speaker 1: who breaks it to her. She asks for all of this.
Speaker 1: She ruined Max's life, she got her mom captured, betrayed
Speaker 1: her best friend, and left her dude stuck in a shrub.
Speaker 1: She's kind of all of that is accurate. Oh I'm
Speaker 1: sorry a fluffin birch.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: Red runs off to feel bad for herself and sing
Speaker 1: our next song, Hey do I suck a power ballot? No,
Speaker 1: it's called who I Am questioning her identity and motives
Speaker 1: is still stuck in the goddamn maze.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: This was a real showcase for her voice. This is
Speaker 1: the one where I was like, Okay, she can really sing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she can. Yeah, But at this point too, there's
Speaker 2: that like line of like I'm sort of sing songed
Speaker 2: out a little bit. I agree, I'm sort of meeting
Speaker 2: things to start rapping up, rapping up, Let's get to
Speaker 2: get through this maze.
Speaker 1: You're maz this maze.
Speaker 2: And it was one of those moments that I every
Speaker 2: time the act, not every time, but this was like
Speaker 2: remember when I said that about Vanessa Jdgens and high
Speaker 2: school musical when she was doing her balance or for
Speaker 2: me when I was doing It's over, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, it's still my favorite, it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: You can kite it like she's like throwing against the shrubs,
Speaker 2: and it's like you're not really believing that you're gonna
Speaker 2: do You're gonna have to do this, but you have
Speaker 2: to do it because the directors told you to and
Speaker 2: the choreographers got it set that you're just gonna throw
Speaker 2: yourself in the shrubs, but you're kind of embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I agree. By the way, I'm not sure that I
Speaker 1: told you this a little bit. At my prom I
Speaker 1: have a giant screen and we're going to be showing
Speaker 1: your I can't wait. You do.
Speaker 2: I believe you was gonna go over and die in
Speaker 2: a corner. Don't you do that to me?
Speaker 4: Will?
Speaker 1: I can't wait, It's gonna be great. Once the song ends,
Speaker 1: she finds a tin case that says Pink and Red's Treasure,
Speaker 1: and it sets off a flashback of the two sisters
Speaker 1: as kids playing and eventually running off to the maze
Speaker 1: and hiding the case. And this makes no sense. She
Speaker 1: did not grow up with her sister. She would have
Speaker 1: no memory of her sister. That's the whole point. So
Speaker 1: the idea that she picks up this case and now
Speaker 1: remembers growing up in this timeline doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: at all. So there are memories that she never made
Speaker 1: because she's from a different timeline. Return. This is why
Speaker 1: you don't mess with time travel. Even if the sisters
Speaker 1: new to her, they have a history. She holds the
Speaker 1: tin to her heart and yells for Pink. She needs her. Pink.
Speaker 1: Here's the cry to help, and finally feels needed. She
Speaker 1: demands the maze open for her, and it does. They
Speaker 1: rush into each other's arms, finishing the Who I Am
Speaker 1: Song together. Pink reveals she still has the Alice's cookies
Speaker 1: in her pockets. She eats a piece and sprouts up
Speaker 1: twenty feet. Back at the castle, Cinderella and the Queen
Speaker 1: have finally found some daylight to approach the mad Hatter.
Speaker 1: He breaks the bad news the Pocket watches almost his
Speaker 1: Max and Chloe find the vault, which was hidden in
Speaker 1: the maze, but Red gets there at the same time,
Speaker 1: now accompanied by her massive sister, which is very cool,
Speaker 1: who starts stomping and sending everyone through a sinkhole. Red
Speaker 1: tells Pink to get the others, and now Max can't
Speaker 1: find the stopwatch Chloe, who retrieves it and looks madder
Speaker 1: than ever. Red begs her to think this through, while
Speaker 1: Max tells her to press the button the pain will disappear.
Speaker 1: It is a real standoff. Chloe scoffs she's not doing
Speaker 1: this for Max or his dad. She's seen the past.
Speaker 1: She wants to look to the future, where she will
Speaker 1: be on top, full of power. She is full villain
Speaker 1: mode now. Red continues to try and knock some sense
Speaker 1: into her. She admits she hasn't been a good friend,
Speaker 1: but she believes in Chloe. If she presses the button,
Speaker 1: they'll lose everything, including each other. Chloe's heard enough, but
Speaker 1: yet they're not done singing, Red starts singing We'll figure
Speaker 1: it out together, which turns into the two friends harmonizing.
Speaker 1: They grab each other's hands, and Chloe has come to
Speaker 1: her senses. She pulls the armband off and hugs Red.
Speaker 1: Back at the castle, Maddox is enraged. Cinderella and the
Speaker 1: Queen watch from beyond the ivy, telling him it's time
Speaker 1: to go, but he's not quite done. Throwing one more
Speaker 1: card through the castle window. It rockets to the girls,
Speaker 1: knocking down both Chloe and Red and sending the pocket
Speaker 1: watch to the floor. A nearby concrete dragon kind of
Speaker 1: comes to life and is ready to attack Max, who's
Speaker 1: now pinned down by a huge rock. The girl's spring
Speaker 1: in act to free him as the dragon falls closer
Speaker 1: to them. Just as Max slides out, the stone dragon
Speaker 1: crumbles to the floor, thousands of pounds, just missing him.
Speaker 1: Max realizes the girls just saved him and thanks them.
Speaker 1: They all look to the pocket watch on the ground
Speaker 1: and Red picks it up. Chloe wonders what they'll do
Speaker 1: with it now. Red said there's no going back to
Speaker 1: the past. The watch has done enough damage, but Red
Speaker 1: promises she won't abandon Max or his dad, and with
Speaker 1: that she throws the watch into a well, and I
Speaker 1: was just I just realized maybe she didn't know the
Speaker 1: well was there before because the sinkhole opened it up,
Speaker 1: so this could have been a secret place that she
Speaker 1: didn't know about before she throws the watch into the well.
Speaker 1: And here's a voice whisper, fates sealed waters, deep secrets,
Speaker 1: Here are ours to keep, which is just a really
Speaker 1: shitty fortune cookie. Mad Hatter. Right, but by the way,
Speaker 1: if you flipped that over, it said seven nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: one thirty one sixteen, And now he is even He's
Speaker 1: now in even more trouble because a twenty foot pink
Speaker 1: is at the mad Hatter's door. The remaining crew bargain
Speaker 1: and surround him. Hazel free Cinderella and the Queen. Then
Speaker 1: a fallen shand of traps the mad Hatter for good.
Speaker 1: The Queen takes back her cards and uses one to
Speaker 1: return her castle back to form. Red and Chloe run
Speaker 1: in to hug their moms. The queens come face to
Speaker 1: face with the Mad Hatter, furious that he broke into
Speaker 1: their home and threatened her daughter. She yells off off
Speaker 1: with your head. Then she gasps, where did that anger
Speaker 1: come from Very Funny, a call back to the first movie.
Speaker 1: Just as the guards come to take him away, Red
Speaker 1: steps in and says it's all her fault. She was
Speaker 1: too afraid to disappoint her mom and says everyone deserves
Speaker 1: a do over. The Queen changes course and saves the
Speaker 1: Mad Hatter's life, but he will stay in custody for now.
Speaker 1: And by that literally she means he stays in that like,
Speaker 1: they throw a party and everything, and he's just under
Speaker 1: the chandelier. They don't even move him to another thing.
Speaker 1: He's just literally that's where he lies now. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: mom calls for a tea party to celebrate in the
Speaker 1: entire cast congregates in the ballroom. Everyone makes peace, from
Speaker 1: Hazel to Chloe to Cinderella and Chloe to Chloe and
Speaker 1: Red to Red and Luise, who are now holding hands
Speaker 1: like a couple. The Queen of hearts toast to the rescuers,
Speaker 1: both heroes and villains working together. She is forever proud
Speaker 1: of them. Fireworks are up from the castle and the
Speaker 1: Fairy Godmother announces it's time to bibity boppity bust, a
Speaker 1: move which leads to our big finale song, go Live. It.
Speaker 1: It's all about the idea that if you're perfect or
Speaker 1: messy or anything in between, it's time to just go
Speaker 1: and live your life. So it includes everybody in the movie,
Speaker 1: even the dancing chest pieces. What did you think, big
Speaker 1: ending number? Do you think they closed it out? Right?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I need to This is a good one.
Speaker 2: I liked this one a lot. I thought it was
Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I loved the chance. And
Speaker 2: actually the actors when I talked to them, they said
Speaker 2: this was one of the most difficult ones because I
Speaker 2: see that a lot of the girls were on the table.
Speaker 2: They were in like kind of heels or high high
Speaker 2: shoot high heeled boots, and that they I loved it
Speaker 2: because we are finally seeing them in something different than
Speaker 2: what they've been wearing the entire movie. Right, I love
Speaker 2: the costumes in this movie. And they said that actually
Speaker 2: made it difficult. They were finally like able to like
Speaker 2: move around in their old costumes and then they had
Speaker 2: to put these on. It was like again just like
Speaker 2: justin to trying to like get to like actually move
Speaker 2: and get used.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, dancing and all these costumes must be tough.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a great I thought it way.
Speaker 2: To end it, super visual, lots of energy and really
Speaker 2: just like put a great button on the awesome music
Speaker 2: in this movie.
Speaker 1: I agree hundred percent. As the song ends, we've seen Chessie,
Speaker 1: who declares she hates happy endings. It's time to start
Speaker 1: some new mischief. We got to the end of the party,
Speaker 1: everyone's left, and now our regular sized pink is alone
Speaker 1: in the ballroom. She notices a shiny object in the floor,
Speaker 1: which we can't really make out. She happily places it
Speaker 1: in the tin can of treasures she's made as a
Speaker 1: kid with Red and then skips off, opening some sort
Speaker 1: of new mystery for Descendants. Six, Chessie appears again, reciting
Speaker 1: the infamous line that always ends a Descendants movie. You
Speaker 1: didn't think that was the end of the story, did you.
Speaker 1: We get our final credits with some dancing highlights, and
Speaker 1: that is our movie. What do you think she put
Speaker 1: in the tin?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, me neither.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did either, frankly, and they'll they'll
Speaker 1: figure it out as they do.
Speaker 2: Ran one right.
Speaker 1: Can we do some real reviews? Yes? I have the
Speaker 1: five star this week and it is from Josiah R.
Speaker 1: Twenty two and keep in mind all these reviews have
Speaker 1: been written in like the last week, which I love right.
Speaker 1: Josiah R. Twenty two says, the best movie ever. Please
Speaker 1: watch this. Please go to Disney Plus and search the
Speaker 1: movie and go watch it. This movie will be the best.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and don't give it a bad review.
Speaker 1: This movie has very good soundtracks and music, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, thank you. And the rap vibes so good,
Speaker 1: so amazing. Five stars. Who woo, Sabrina, what do you got?
Speaker 2: Loved it? They loved it all right. This one is
Speaker 2: the opposite. We've got the one star from Aiden Wade Shirley. Sorry,
Speaker 2: this movie is genuinely bad. The story makes no sense
Speaker 2: with this. I love this chat GBT corypt Ah. Why
Speaker 2: the hell are we flirting with someone we met five
Speaker 2: minutes ago? This is what you get when you cast
Speaker 2: a bunch of NEPO babies crazy.
Speaker 1: This is not a one star movie, for the record,
Speaker 1: no on any stretch of the imagination. This is not
Speaker 1: any metrics. This is not a one star movie, not
Speaker 1: at all. All right, so we are now just ready
Speaker 1: for our feature. Here we go, Sabrina's favorite portion of
Speaker 1: the program, Our feature. I got five on it is
Speaker 1: what it's called. We've got the first ever fifth installment
Speaker 1: in the dcom franchise. So we're playing off the number five,
Speaker 1: similar to what we recently did for four. We're going
Speaker 1: to be given a list of things or people and
Speaker 1: we have to finish that list. So it became the
Speaker 1: list becomes five. Does that make sense? We're getting four,
Speaker 1: we have to make it five and three out of
Speaker 1: five wins. So here we go. Who are we playing
Speaker 1: with today?
Speaker 2: You have michaela.
Speaker 1: Yay, Mikayla. Here we Gola, number one, Scary Spice, Sporty Spice,
Speaker 1: Posh Spice, ginger spice, and my fave, who do you
Speaker 1: got Sabrina?
Speaker 2: Do you have it?
Speaker 1: Of course I have it? She's my favorite week spe
Speaker 1: of course, Baby's my favorite. Here we go, when when
Speaker 1: to become? There we go? All right? Number two Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Jackie Jackson.
Speaker 2: And does it have Jermaine?
Speaker 1: They have Dreamaine jack.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, isn't it Tito? Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: Tito Jackson.
Speaker 1: There we go. Number three Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, Arctic, and
Speaker 1: they're all oceans obviously, yes, what's the fifth ocean?
Speaker 2: Is there a southern ocean?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yes, yeah, Southern ocean?
Speaker 2: Right, yes, correct?
Speaker 1: All right, here we go Number four sight, smell, hearing, touch, and.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, taste.
Speaker 1: They taste is correct?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we won.
Speaker 1: And here's the last one. Number five. Scooby Shaggy. I
Speaker 1: should probably read it this way, Scooby Shaggy, Fred, Velma
Speaker 1: and Wilma. No, Wilma.
Speaker 2: Wilma's the flint stone Velma.
Speaker 1: They have Belma. Yeah, Wilma.
Speaker 2: Scooby is Velma the redhead?
Speaker 1: Nope, we're missing the red orange. So who's the redhead.
Speaker 2: In the purple in the purple dress?
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear it?
Speaker 2: Be like, damn it, I know, I don't know it.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go five for five. Sabrina Daphne.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I really don't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, can we do some Sabrina sees.
Speaker 2: Okay, we did most of my stuff. This is more
Speaker 2: so like figuring out where we're going with the sixth one. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of things I am wondering if
Speaker 2: it's possible that Red might be the new villain. You
Speaker 2: think the reasoning why is in the first one I saw.
Speaker 2: Remember we talked about it in the last episode with
Speaker 2: with this movie. Is we talk about how she saw
Speaker 2: like the future and she's sitting on the throne with
Speaker 2: like her mom in.
Speaker 1: The Yeah they see her in the right but that
Speaker 1: was the original timeline, right, well, yeah she changed that.
Speaker 2: Well, but this is what I'm saying. So the the
Speaker 2: Pocket Watch, So I saw something about one thing because
Speaker 2: my algorithm algorithm right now is like flooded with this
Speaker 2: movie obviously, and there was one thing that spun me off,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of made me start like looking
Speaker 2: back and like going on chat rooms or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: researching a little bit. There's like the time the watch
Speaker 2: is like sparkling. It doesn't like shut down. It's like
Speaker 2: sparkling when it's in the water. So like, I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if they set the time thing, which will probably kill you.
Speaker 1: God, I hope they I think they're gonna I think
Speaker 1: they're done with time travel.
Speaker 2: Okay, they might be, But if it's is it and
Speaker 2: it's something that maybe ex screws it back up, because
Speaker 2: how great would it be if Red came back as
Speaker 2: a villain, like a true villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they. I think.
Speaker 2: Pinks movie. Yes, that's why she's the one that picks
Speaker 2: it up. This is gonna be her her story, right,
Speaker 2: like as in the last one with the zombies, like
Speaker 2: we picked up new characters, they're gonna take it this
Speaker 2: next movie. So I think this next movie is gonna
Speaker 2: be pink and I honestly because the straight hair, so
Speaker 2: she wears she The only time she has straight hair
Speaker 2: is in that flashback. The rest of the movie Last
Speaker 2: Time was with with curly hair. All this movie was
Speaker 2: curly hair except for when they're going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: You see Chloe, and Chloe sees herself with straight hair,
Speaker 2: and then Red sees herself in a mirror with straight hair.
Speaker 2: So I'm like thinking, okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they didn't solve why Red saw herself then,
Speaker 4: because they didn't see Chloe saw the future that she'd
Speaker 4: be evil and that came true and Red still saw
Speaker 4: that same future with me.
Speaker 2: Lisa kind of yeah.
Speaker 4: And my theory is that Leamanni's character picked up maybe
Speaker 4: that stone from the bracelet that turned Chloe evil because
Speaker 4: we didn't kill them of castle was the castle.
Speaker 1: She picked it up outside and put it in the
Speaker 1: in the little in the tin thing, wasn't.
Speaker 4: The party some something, but like she could have dropn
Speaker 4: something for her or something, and that bracelet just kind
Speaker 4: of broke. But I feel like when you're talking about
Speaker 4: time travel, it's like, well, the only person that knows
Speaker 4: at the end is Matt Max, right that the girl's
Speaker 4: time traveled, right right, I'm thinking Leamani's character, Pink is
Speaker 4: now going to figure out that she wasn't supposed to
Speaker 4: exist and like have her little rage moment.
Speaker 2: That's where my theory was the time travel again, they
Speaker 2: need to stop it.
Speaker 1: I'm out. I can't. I can't with more time travel,
Speaker 1: I can't. Now, if they were smart, they would really
Speaker 1: lean into because there's been years and years and years
Speaker 1: now where people have wanted them to do another Honey,
Speaker 1: I shrunk the kids. So if they were smart and
Speaker 1: you're in Alice in Wonderland, something happens where she takes
Speaker 1: Alice's original potion, and I think Pink and a group
Speaker 1: of people become super small and the entire thing is
Speaker 1: them trying to get back to the castle. Honey, I
Speaker 1: shrunk the kid's style while while Red tries to save them.
Speaker 1: That would be I also don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: be fully Pink's story. I think it'll be about Pink.
Speaker 1: But if they stick to the regular way they do it,
Speaker 1: the stars of the of the series get three, so
Speaker 1: Red Red will still get three, and then at the
Speaker 1: end of the third one they'll pass it off to
Speaker 1: Pink and her friends in the news.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I think Red. It would be a
Speaker 2: crazy switch to have Red then go back and.
Speaker 1: Be but she started evil already. I feel like they'd
Speaker 1: be taking her back again. Would be weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't. The straight hair to me is
Speaker 2: like their symbol of evil, and we didn't get an
Speaker 2: understanding of what ends up happening when she sees her
Speaker 2: in this mirror.
Speaker 1: Well it couldn't. Maybe it's not a symbol of evil.
Speaker 1: Maybe what it is is just a symbol of her
Speaker 1: on the throne. So maybe the next one her her
Speaker 1: mom gives she becomes the queen and is going to
Speaker 1: be all about the coronation and maybe Pink. Maybe they're right,
Speaker 1: Maybe Pink goes in the past or something and sees
Speaker 1: that she wasn't supposed to exist.
Speaker 4: So another fun plot that I saw that people want
Speaker 4: to happen is finding out who the heck the other
Speaker 4: parents are. So they mentioned Gaston like Queen of Hearts
Speaker 4: hooking up with Gaston at some point, So.
Speaker 2: Is she is he dead's dead?
Speaker 4: Like there's all you know, the one parent for a
Speaker 4: lot of these people and you don't know the other. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's also something maybe they got kind of like how
Speaker 4: in three she found Hades, but like as her dad, like,
Speaker 4: could you send the rest of them to kind of
Speaker 4: figure out?
Speaker 2: That would be cool? That would be cool. Also, I
Speaker 2: thought of Gaston. The last thing I was was I
Speaker 2: was going to bring up again how I didn't know
Speaker 2: Louise was Louise's son, but and I thought he was Gaston's.
Speaker 2: But then I remember, didn't Gaston die and beating the beast?
Speaker 2: He like falls off that cliff.
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't. I don't think you don't know the.
Speaker 2: Queen evil queens die and stuff. So it's like they, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the only.
Speaker 1: One you knew was dead and dead dead dead dead
Speaker 1: dead dead dead was Mufasa. Like you knew Mufasa was dead,
Speaker 1: but everybody else it was like he fell but you
Speaker 1: didn't really see him anyway.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 2: That was it?
Speaker 1: So that was.
Speaker 2: My main thing was just to see where we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: Let's see the Descendants franchise.
Speaker 1: I well, now let's score the one we just got
Speaker 1: our options. This week, we're going to go one to ten,
Speaker 1: ten being the best. Of course, this week we've got
Speaker 1: one to ten Horny classmates, one to ten, Rainbow Tabbies,
Speaker 1: one to ten, robot Dodo birds, zebra drafts, weird SMEEs,
Speaker 1: one out of ten, trousers, one out of ten, rabbit
Speaker 1: house squatters, one out of ten stabbers, one out of ten,
Speaker 1: fortune cookies, or one out of ten bibity boppity busted moves.
Speaker 1: What do you got, Sabrina?
Speaker 2: I think we should add our one out of ten?
Speaker 2: Was it fluffing purchases?
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it, one out of ten fluff and purchase,
Speaker 1: and I believe I have to go first. This time
Speaker 1: you went first last time. I like this movie. I
Speaker 1: love to criticize movies and go through a nitpick. That's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing in the world. I do it with
Speaker 1: my favorite movies in the world. That's what I do.
Speaker 1: That being said, I liked this better than the last one,
Speaker 1: and I didn't hate the last one. I thought this
Speaker 1: kind of got back to the basics a little bit
Speaker 1: of descendants. It looked great. I remember a lot of
Speaker 1: the songs. Some of them are forgettable, but I remember
Speaker 1: a lot of the songs. I thought the dancing was better,
Speaker 1: like the choreography was better. So I really liked this
Speaker 1: and I'm giving this a strong eight point five fluff
Speaker 1: and birches, and I think it's worth an eight point
Speaker 1: five fluff and purchas. Cast was great looking forward to
Speaker 1: the next one didn't have nearly and all the problems
Speaker 1: I had with this movie or all the nippicking stuff,
Speaker 1: the vast majority of them still stem from the time
Speaker 1: travel thing and the first one. Yeah, other than that,
Speaker 1: I thought it was. It was a very good movie.
Speaker 1: I had a fun ninety five minutes.
Speaker 2: So what did you say? Eight point eight.
Speaker 1: Point five fluff and burches, how about you?
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, I have to start again saying that
Speaker 2: I have to veto my own scoring of the last one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take that one to an eight. Whatever we did, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a true nine fluff and burchase for me.
Speaker 2: I think the movie, the choreography, the visual, the set,
Speaker 2: having so many new characters. Like you said, it just
Speaker 2: felt more like the old school Descendants movies, and I
Speaker 2: am here for it. I thought the choreography was so
Speaker 2: good in this one. The music is awesome. I I know,
Speaker 2: I'm like making fun of that, like Monroe wants to
Speaker 2: hear it on repeat, but like I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: I'm cool, I am right there, like doing the Princess
Speaker 2: song with her loving to rock out. I don't think
Speaker 2: the nine is actually a full like reflection because of
Speaker 2: my experience. I think it's a nine because it's a
Speaker 2: great nine fluff and burchess movie.
Speaker 1: It's a good movie. It really is.
Speaker 2: I loved it and I had to watch it again
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: This is all day for me.
Speaker 1: There you go. Well, thank you everybody so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. Go check out the movie. It is. It's
Speaker 1: a good movie. It really is a good movie. You
Speaker 1: should go. You should go look at it. It was
Speaker 1: definitely better than the last one, and the last one
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. Next week we are pivoting to another Disney
Speaker 1: franchise that is Ever Gonna Die, and that is High
Speaker 1: School Musical. We're gonna recap the twenty eleven spinoff movie
Speaker 1: for its standout star Ashley Tisdale. It's Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure.
Speaker 1: One of our favorite characters got her own movie, So
Speaker 1: make sure to watch it now in Disney Plus and
Speaker 1: get ahead of our podcast. And until then, we invite
Speaker 1: you to check out all the dedicated magical rewind feed
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