Speaker 1: Hello everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan Warmley,
Speaker 2: joining this Friday morning by Derek Browd and by Pat
Speaker 2: Fitz Morris Fellas. It's the Week five Key Questions Show.
Speaker 2: We'll be running through the biggest questions of the week
Speaker 2: in fantasy breaking down some of these matchups in what
Speaker 2: looks like a pretty fun Week five slate. Just get
Speaker 2: some quick thoughts on Thursday Night football from last night.
Speaker 2: Fun game, but debro maybe didn't pan out the way
Speaker 2: you were hoping with some of your bets.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it was a horrible night for prop betting,
Speaker 3: Like everybody hit the line, couldn't hit the overs. But
Speaker 3: can we say any concerns for Drake London were a
Speaker 3: little bit premature. If you wanted the Drake London arrival
Speaker 3: game as a wide receiver one rest of season, we
Speaker 3: got it, dude. I mean he was fantastic last night.
Speaker 1: Fits Was this.
Speaker 2: The Drake London game or was it the Darnell Mooney game?
Speaker 2: Or was it the Kirk Cousins game? Given their stat lines, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, I was.
Speaker 5: I was below consensus with my ranking of Drake London,
Speaker 5: but above my consensus or above the consensus on my
Speaker 5: ranking of Darnell Mooney, so I guess it evened out.
Speaker 5: But yeah, man, I was down in the dumps after
Speaker 5: the Brewers wrote another sad chapter in their tortured playoff history.
Speaker 5: But the finish to that game sort of lifted my
Speaker 5: spirits a little bit. That was that was the fun
Speaker 5: Thursday night game we needed.
Speaker 3: Fits.
Speaker 2: We have a alliance this week about not talking about
Speaker 2: playoff baseball given the way our teams perform, so we're
Speaker 2: not gonna reference anything else in regards to that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the other you know, obviously, like I said,
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, you know, five hundred passing yards for touchdowns,
Speaker 2: Drake London De Ro mentioned Darnell Mooney was really good.
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts relative to what he's been this year. Seven catches,
Speaker 2: eighty eight yards. You know, that's maybe some signs of life.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that looks to moving forward. Very
Speaker 2: very fun game, you know, Shoed White ten for seventy two.
Speaker 2: On the other side, baker Field just one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty yards with three touchdowns, no picks, and Mike Evans
Speaker 2: did what he does at the end zone a couple
Speaker 2: of times.
Speaker 1: He is amazing.
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Speaker 2: Second straight week, I've got to give a shout out
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Speaker 2: number one atop the leader board a thirty and eight
Speaker 2: record on his picks this season. He is absolutely crushing it.
Speaker 2: Colin and I will continue to try to do our
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Speaker 2: let's start, as always with the quarterbacks. Jayden Daniels going
Speaker 2: up against the Browns. Debro was on your show, Colin
Speaker 2: in August, my other colleague at Fantasy Pros. He was
Speaker 2: all over Jayden Daniels. He is looking really good for
Speaker 2: that prediction now. He was all over him for Offensive
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year. He was all over him as
Speaker 2: a fantasy quarterback. He is number one on DraftKings twenty
Speaker 2: three point seven fantasy points per game this season. Like
Speaker 2: I mentioned, now, facing that Browns defense, they are only
Speaker 2: allowing a fifty eight point seven percent completion percentage against.
Speaker 1: What do you expect out of Daniels this week?
Speaker 6: Well, Miles Garret, it's banged up and the Browns offensive
Speaker 6: line is still a mess, so Jaden Daniels is going
Speaker 6: to get some possessions. I'm not so sure. If Deshaun
Speaker 6: Watson isn't just washed. Nick Chubb comes back, that's good.
Speaker 6: But until I see otherwise, I think Jaden Daniels is
Speaker 6: going to be effective. I do think there'll be regression
Speaker 6: at some point. I was shocked how they blew out Arizona.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna ride Jaden Daniels again until I see otherwise.
Speaker 2: On that point, like I mentioned that Deebro had kind
Speaker 2: of talked about with you about that offensive rookie of
Speaker 2: the year just Daniels in general.
Speaker 1: How impressed are you so far in this first month.
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned regression likely coming at some point,
Speaker 2: but I mean, he certainly is the favorite right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm also surprised by their run game. We
Speaker 6: didn't look at this as an elite offensive line, but
Speaker 6: it absolutely has been. And you're seeing three and four
Speaker 6: and five yards gained by running backs for Washington before contact,
Speaker 6: so that's impressive.
Speaker 2: The other quarterback I wanted to hit on this week,
Speaker 2: Jordan Love going up against the Rams. It took a
Speaker 2: little bit for him to get going against Minnesota Obviously
Speaker 2: they are good defense, and obviously coming back from the
Speaker 2: knee injury, he ended up having a huge Fantasy day
Speaker 2: QB two on the week on DraftKings. You know, three
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine passing yards for touchdowns, they'd have
Speaker 2: the three interceptions. Like I mentioned, kind of a slow
Speaker 2: start there going up against the Rams defense that is gettable.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Love this week?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's one of these things. What do
Speaker 6: I believe In the second half against Minnesota? I thought
Speaker 6: they looked really, really strong. Now Christian Watson's hurt, some
Speaker 6: of their young receivers haven't played up to snuff.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: I think the Rams defense is talented but super young.
Speaker 6: The last couple of years, they've spent their draft capital
Speaker 6: top of the board on a lot of defensive players.
Speaker 6: So the wise guys like the Rams this week. I
Speaker 6: think it's fairly high scoring. I think Jordan Love will
Speaker 6: play well. I don't think he'll have a great afternoon.
Speaker 6: It will be a home game for the Packers, even
Speaker 6: though it's at sofi A stadium. Probably a sixty five
Speaker 6: to thirty five pack or split. I think Jordan Love
Speaker 6: will be fine, but I don't think he'll be exceptional.
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be a fairly low scoring,
Speaker 6: competitive game in the twenty six to twenty three area.
Speaker 6: Both teams doing okay. I think the Rams defense is
Speaker 6: better than people think. I think the team the Rams
Speaker 6: has simply struggled with injuries and red zone scoring. So
Speaker 6: I think Jordan Love will be fine, but I don't
Speaker 6: think the receiving corps has grown like I thought it
Speaker 6: would so far.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the other side of this game, as
Speaker 2: we moved to the running backs. Kiron Williams obviously going
Speaker 2: against the Packers RB four on DraftKings this season seventeen
Speaker 2: point four fantasy points per game, obviously gets a lot
Speaker 2: of volume, got some home run potential. He was tied
Speaker 2: for RB one in Week three with Saquan during that week.
Speaker 2: What do you make out of what we've seen from
Speaker 2: him this season so far and what do you expect
Speaker 2: that of him against the Packers.
Speaker 6: Well, I know McVay loves him. I think he's a
Speaker 6: really unique special talent. And with no Pukah or Cooper
Speaker 6: Cup and for that matter, Tyler Higby the end, who
Speaker 6: hasn't played yet this year, I think they're going to
Speaker 6: be more Kyron Williams reliant. Blake Korum is talented, but
Speaker 6: he's a rookie, so I think I think the most
Speaker 6: talented player outside of Stafford on this team is Williams,
Speaker 6: and I think he's going to eat a little bit
Speaker 6: against Green Bay. I think the Rams will probably play
Speaker 6: pretty well on the spot.
Speaker 2: Let's move to a few wide receivers here. Amari Cooper
Speaker 2: going up against the Commanders. We've talked on these segments
Speaker 2: already this season, Colin about how this defense is one
Speaker 2: you want to attack through the air. Amari Cooper has
Speaker 2: been very boom or busts so far this season, get
Speaker 2: over twenty Fantasy points one week, a.
Speaker 1: Few other busts in there. Do you think he'll have
Speaker 1: a boom week against the Commanders.
Speaker 6: I don't. He's almost felt disengaged this year. It's as
Speaker 6: if he and Watson aren't particularly close. Again, the Browns
Speaker 6: have major offensive line issues, so I'm not going to
Speaker 6: put any big money on Cleveland receivers at this point.
Speaker 6: I'll say it again, I'm not so sure the Browns
Speaker 6: aren't trapped with a washed quarterback in Deshaun Watson. If
Speaker 6: Kevin Stefanski an excellent coach can't elevate him past his
Speaker 6: current playing level. I'm not sure there's much left for Watson.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You always talk about, you know, the unstoppable force against
Speaker 2: the immovable object, the Browns passing game against the Commander's
Speaker 2: pass defense. It's the opposite. It's the stoppable force against
Speaker 2: the very movable object. Another receiver I want to hit
Speaker 2: on here is Zay Flowers going up against the Bengals
Speaker 2: wide receiver forty six this season, just twenty three and
Speaker 2: a half Fantasy points on the year, and a lot
Speaker 2: of those came in a Week two loss to the Raiders.
Speaker 2: He hasn't been amazing against the Bengals in the past,
Speaker 2: and they've just been so good running the ball. And
Speaker 2: why go away from Derrick Henry when it's worked so
Speaker 2: well the last couple of weeks. Do you think that
Speaker 2: we're going to see that again against Cincinnati out of
Speaker 2: the Ravens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's almost as if we anointed Zay Flowers as
Speaker 6: a one, and he's really probably a two. He is
Speaker 6: a small receiver. As you know, increasingly they have more weapons.
Speaker 6: I think Derrick Henry has shifted the focus off Zay Flowers.
Speaker 6: I think this is a divisional game. He's never played
Speaker 6: great against the Bengals. I don't think Zay Flowers has
Speaker 6: a big Afternoon.
Speaker 2: Last receiver here Jackson Smith and Jigba going up against
Speaker 2: the Giants wide receiver fifty this season pretty similar to
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers in that a lot of his fantasy points
Speaker 2: came in just one week. Also Week two for him
Speaker 2: in that game against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Somebody who's really talented.
Speaker 2: I mean, I loved him coming out as a prospect
Speaker 2: in dynasty leagues and as a rookie in fantasy leagues,
Speaker 2: and it's starting to feel more and more like maybe
Speaker 2: JSN is just a really good possession receiver. I'm not
Speaker 2: ready to entirely write him off, but yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you think about him in this matchup?
Speaker 6: Well, I like the Seahawks in this game. I was
Speaker 6: very impressed despite the fact they lost to the Lions.
Speaker 6: They had thirty eight first downs. Clearly, Gino Smith and
Speaker 6: DK Metcalf have a very strong bond. The over the
Speaker 6: shoulder throws, the back shoulder throws, the timing routes. I
Speaker 6: just don't think. I think Lockett and DK Metcalf are
Speaker 6: the favorite sons of Gino Smith, and I like, you
Speaker 6: feel like he's more possession than Superstar. I like the
Speaker 6: Seahawks to win by about ten points. But in this spot,
Speaker 6: I think DK Metcalf and Gino and I'll say this
Speaker 6: Walker in that run game, I think that's where the
Speaker 6: focus is for defensive coach Mike McDonald.
Speaker 1: Thanks again for hopping on Colin.
Speaker 2: Remember everybody to head to fantasypros dot com slash challenge
Speaker 2: to play along all season long. All right, guys, let's
Speaker 2: jump into question number one. I wanted to start with
Speaker 2: the game that we have in London this week. It's
Speaker 2: hard to believe we are already not only at the
Speaker 2: Buys by the way, but we are also at the
Speaker 2: London games. It's Jets at Vikings this week to kick
Speaker 2: things off.
Speaker 1: Across the pond.
Speaker 2: Braylan Allen has outplayed Breese Hall in back to back games.
Speaker 2: Probably too early to overreact to that small sample size,
Speaker 2: but at what point is it no long longer to early?
Speaker 2: Allen is clearly an elite backup and handcuff option, but
Speaker 2: is he also a fantasy starter even when Hall is healthy?
Speaker 5: Fits I don't think he has swirm. I know it's
Speaker 5: been a rough start. For bres Hall so far three
Speaker 5: point one yards per carry. But hey man, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be fine. Bris Hall Is He's twenty three. He's already
Speaker 5: put together a very compelling body of work. So Breis
Speaker 5: Hall investors should just chill out, do some yoga, poor
Speaker 5: a stiff drink, whatever it takes to relax.
Speaker 4: He is not suddenly losing it. He's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 5: I love Braylan Allen. I mean, he's a Wisconsin Badger
Speaker 5: and a lot of fun to watch, but I think
Speaker 5: he still basically just has handcuff value at this point,
Speaker 5: not standalone value. As good as he's looked, he is
Speaker 5: averaging eight point six half point PPR Fantasy points per game,
Speaker 5: and that average is being propped up by an eighteen
Speaker 5: point six point game in Week two. His point totals
Speaker 5: in the other three games two point to eight point
Speaker 5: three to five point one. And that's with Braylan Allen
Speaker 5: running really well. Like for Alan to be fantasy relevant
Speaker 5: on just eight to ten touches a game, he would
Speaker 5: need to get the high leverage touches, namely goal line
Speaker 5: carries and pass receptions. It's not really getting many of either.
Speaker 5: He has seven receptions and he has only had one
Speaker 5: red zone carry this season. You said it, Worm, Braylan Allen,
Speaker 5: he is an elite backup, but I don't think he's
Speaker 5: anything more than that right now, at least.
Speaker 3: Deep brow what E think, I'll echo every single thing
Speaker 3: that fits, he said, elite handcuff, not getting the red
Speaker 3: zone snaps. Like even last week when Hall put up
Speaker 3: a very disappointing stat line, he still had an eighty
Speaker 3: three percent snap rate in the red zone. The thing
Speaker 3: that I do want to highlight here, Worm, is yes,
Speaker 3: I know people are freaking out of at breeze Hall.
Speaker 3: If you can right now put out feelers for him
Speaker 3: in every single league, And this is what I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell everybody. He has a league winning stretch run schedule.
Speaker 3: It is sickening how good it is. I just pulled
Speaker 3: it up from week ten on. These are the run
Speaker 3: defenses he faces people Arizona, Indy, Seattle. Any of those
Speaker 3: scare you. Okay, let's add on Miami Jacksonville's a little
Speaker 3: bit tough. Then in playoff time he gets the rams
Speaker 3: and the bills in week sixteen, in week seventeen, that
Speaker 3: is beyond juicy. So I'm not only preaching patients with
Speaker 3: Breese Hall. Go out and trade for him today. This
Speaker 3: offense has nowhere to go but up. They trade for
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams. Aaron Rodgers looks better. This offensive line has
Speaker 3: nowhere to go but up. They are legitimately the worst
Speaker 3: offensive line in the NFL, generating not even one yard
Speaker 3: before contact per attempt. For Breese Hall, you throw in
Speaker 3: the schedule. People need to go test the waters and
Speaker 3: trade for him everywhere they can.
Speaker 2: So you basically answered the question I was going to ask,
Speaker 2: which is I'm participating in fantasy bros is doing a
Speaker 2: gue team league this year for the first and brisall
Speaker 2: his team was cut last week and he's now available,
Speaker 2: or was you know, going into waivers this week? And
Speaker 2: he went for over five hundred dollars out of a
Speaker 2: thousand dollars budget. And I was gonna ask you guys
Speaker 2: thought that was acceptable, which it would be in a
Speaker 2: vacuum when you're looking at where he was in draft
Speaker 2: season versus compared to what we've seen. Deep broad sounds
Speaker 2: like you think that was, you know, more than fair,
Speaker 2: more than fair.
Speaker 3: And now I probably would even have gone above that,
Speaker 3: considering if you're able to ride it out. He's got
Speaker 3: the type of schedule that brings you home to the
Speaker 3: finish line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the one to get Brisaw by the way,
Speaker 2: I was the only I was the only person to
Speaker 2: bid over five hundred, and only one of the person's
Speaker 2: even over four hundred, which no, I was surprised.
Speaker 3: If flex becomes a loud flex, I like it weren't.
Speaker 2: Well, I just was surprised by it, honestly. So I
Speaker 2: want to get your opinion on because I was like
Speaker 2: a month ago, we were like this guy might be
Speaker 2: the number one overall picking drafts, and kudos.
Speaker 3: For getting in for fifty percent. I would have gone
Speaker 3: like sixty or sixty five.
Speaker 2: So it just quick just quickly on Alan Deebrow, I
Speaker 2: forget where did you have him when you were doing
Speaker 2: your rookie rankings for the season. And has has what
Speaker 2: we've seen this year adjusted to that? Because Fitz and
Speaker 2: I did a Dynasty discord stages earlier this week and
Speaker 2: we talked about how Braylen Allen for Fitz is like
Speaker 2: a top fifteen I think maybe even top twelve Dynasty
Speaker 2: running back in his eyes, just giving the age and
Speaker 2: the performance we've seen early even sharing at backfield with
Speaker 2: tall So I'm trying to remember where you had him, Debro.
Speaker 3: I had him lower only because as a prospect. It
Speaker 3: wasn't the fact that I didn't like his talent. It's
Speaker 3: the Braileen Allen we saw and FITZI can chime in
Speaker 3: on this too as well. The Brailean Allen we saw
Speaker 3: in college and the Brailan Allen we're seeing in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I think are not absolutely one to eighty different players.
Speaker 3: His running style has changed though. He is being more physical.
Speaker 3: He is getting downhill. He is using his size and
Speaker 3: his strength, I think better than anything what he put
Speaker 3: up on film in college. There was so many times
Speaker 3: in college where you'd see Braylen Allen either get into
Speaker 3: the open field or trying to string multiple moves together
Speaker 3: to break tackles or to get to daylight. And you're like, dude,
Speaker 3: you're not a five to ten two oh five like
Speaker 3: guy who is going to basically juke people out of
Speaker 3: their shoes. You're giant, You're huge, run people over Use
Speaker 3: your size, get downhill, use your acceleration. We've seen that
Speaker 3: more in the NFL. So I mean I've come around
Speaker 3: on Breylan Allen because the Breanlan Allen that I saw
Speaker 3: in college. I was hoping to see more of those
Speaker 3: things in the NFL. But FITZI like, have you seen
Speaker 3: a change in his running style?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That everything you just mentioned, and he looks faster.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I know some of these guys go through speed speed
Speaker 5: training to get ready for the Combine and their pro days,
Speaker 5: and it seems like whatever Braylan Allen might have picked
Speaker 5: up in speed training has stuck because he looks a
Speaker 5: lot faster than he did in Madison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, a lot faster.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Browns at Commanders. The Commanders have been
Speaker 2: the best offensive football, especially the last.
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: The Browns, you know, were really defense last year, is
Speaker 2: still you know, a strong defense in general, or at
Speaker 2: least the defense we expect to be pretty good? Can
Speaker 2: Cleveland slow down Washington or the Commanders players still basically
Speaker 2: all elite, high level fantasy options this week, Debro.
Speaker 3: I think you're looking at high end fantasy options like
Speaker 3: you're you're starting Jane Daniels. I mean, he's the QB
Speaker 3: two in total point or excuse maybe the QB one
Speaker 3: in total points now, so you're starting him regardless of
Speaker 3: the matchup, it does not matter. I think he's proven
Speaker 3: enough and he should have proven enough in everybody's eyes.
Speaker 3: But to the other guys, I mean, we don't know
Speaker 3: if Brian Robertson Junior plays this week, but Austin Eckler
Speaker 3: should be back. And if he's out there floating on waivers,
Speaker 3: if somebody dropped him, or if you got him on
Speaker 3: your team, he's worth playing this week. He is going
Speaker 3: to be what I think is gonna be the lead
Speaker 3: back if Brian Robinson Junior is out. You have a
Speaker 3: Browns run defense that's allowed the seventh highest explosive run rate,
Speaker 3: the second highest charge of the contact per attempt. So
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler and we know he's going to play in
Speaker 3: the passing games, I don't think you're going to see
Speaker 3: a lot of Jeremy McNichols. So I wouldn't be chasing
Speaker 3: that if I was anybody in leagues, especially deeper formats. So,
Speaker 3: but the other guy that I do want to bring
Speaker 3: up here because you did highlight the secondary worm, Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3: We give a ton of crap to Cliff Kingsbury, and
Speaker 3: some of it rightfully, so about not moving wide receivers
Speaker 3: around the formation. Cliff this week, Baby, you do you okay?
Speaker 3: That I don't want to see. I do not want
Speaker 3: to see McLaurin moving around the formation because where he
Speaker 3: lines up and the fact that the Brown's corners are static,
Speaker 3: they play sides. This is going to allow Terry McLaurin
Speaker 3: to face and I'm going to say this with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt, the weak link in the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 3: secondary is Martin Emerson Junior. Terry McLaurin is going to
Speaker 3: line up basically the almost doing the entire part of
Speaker 3: the game seventy seven percent of his routes against Martin
Speaker 3: Emerson Junior, who has allowed a sixty five percent catch
Speaker 3: rate and a one to twenty point four passer rating
Speaker 3: in his coverage. So while a lot of people could
Speaker 3: look at the matchup and say I kind of down
Speaker 3: on Terry McLaurin, I'm not. I think that he could
Speaker 3: have a fantastic game because Emerson has been the one
Speaker 3: corner if you want to point to anybody in this
Speaker 3: Browns secondary where passing attacks have kind of picked on
Speaker 3: a little bit this year. Yeah, Terry McLure can still
Speaker 3: have a massive game here.
Speaker 1: It's what do you think? I mean.
Speaker 2: The Commander's offense has been so I mean again, this
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks so fun.
Speaker 1: They've punted like once the cross three weeks.
Speaker 2: They're really excelling at I mean, I liked jayde Daniels.
Speaker 2: They are excelling at a level that I am blown
Speaker 2: away by here for the first month of his career.
Speaker 2: Do you expect you to continue here against Cleveland?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Commander's punter Tresway gets about as much exercise as
Speaker 5: I do on an NFL Sunday, which isn't too much. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be a fun test for Jane Daniels
Speaker 5: because the Commanders have so far faced the Cardinals, Bengals,
Speaker 5: and Giants, all of whom are bottom twelve in defensive DVOA,
Speaker 5: and the Buccaneers, who we just saw gave up five
Speaker 5: thousand passing yards to Kirk cut So now they do
Speaker 5: get Cleveland, the stiffest defensive test they've faced. The Browns
Speaker 5: aren't that great in defensive DVOA either, I think they're
Speaker 5: bottom half, but they have given up five point er
Speaker 5: yards per play, which is top ten.
Speaker 4: Like it's a good defense.
Speaker 5: And still though I mean you're playing Jayden Daniels, Like
Speaker 5: I don't have a greatly diminished outlook for what Daniels
Speaker 5: is going to do against a real defense.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to do well. Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 5: As Debro pointed out, you're playing him Brian Robinson Junior
Speaker 5: if he plays, and if not, I agree with Debro.
Speaker 4: Austin Eckler. Fire him up.
Speaker 5: You know we'll see some Jeremy McNichols if Robinson doesn't play,
Speaker 5: but Eckler would absolutely become at least flexworthy if not
Speaker 5: RB two.
Speaker 2: By the way, fits, this isn't one of our key questions,
Speaker 2: but just on the other side of this game, quickly,
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper, is he going to take advantage of this
Speaker 2: terrible commander's secondary?
Speaker 4: I think so. Deebro doesn't think so.
Speaker 5: Like I bet the over on him on DraftKings had
Speaker 5: forty nine and a half yards yesterday, and I know
Speaker 5: the home road splits are always bad with him, or
Speaker 5: at least have been since he joined the Browns. But man,
Speaker 5: like this is a Washington can't cover anyone, and the
Speaker 5: Browns are getting their starting tackles back. It looks like
Speaker 5: Jedrick Wills and Jack Conklin, that's gonna help a lot.
Speaker 5: Maybe give de Sehan Watson a little more time. Like
Speaker 5: I know, Watson hasn't been good. I can't spin anything
Speaker 5: that way, but maybe he's a little bit better with
Speaker 5: improved pass protection.
Speaker 2: Debro quickly, I saw you kind of shaking your head,
Speaker 2: so you disagree.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree about about Cooper being good. The only
Speaker 3: thing that worries me about it is the coverage matchup,
Speaker 3: because we've seen Washington run a lot of too high.
Speaker 3: This is what got Marvin Harrison Junior. And what I
Speaker 3: wrote up in the primer is that what teams do
Speaker 3: versus single high and versus too high. And Cooper's target
Speaker 3: share has dropped, He's still be getting fed a bunch
Speaker 3: a bunch of volumes. So maybe that doesn't hold this
Speaker 3: week considering the matchup, but if they hold tight considering
Speaker 3: the cover matchup, I'm not as high on Cooper, but
Speaker 3: I am higher on Jerry Judy versus too high, we've
Speaker 3: seen his yards per route run go up, his first
Speaker 3: read cheer bump to twenty three point three percent. So
Speaker 3: while Fitz and I are a little bit on the
Speaker 3: opposite sides as far as which Browns wide receiver goes off.
Speaker 3: I think one of them does. I just think it's
Speaker 3: Judy and not Cooper.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Ravens at Bengals. Lots of really enticing
Speaker 2: matchups in this one. I didn't want to kind of
Speaker 2: highlight a specific player. I just want to get your
Speaker 2: guys opinion on kind of the strength on weakness that
Speaker 2: we're getting on both sides of the ball. We get
Speaker 2: the Ravens rushing attack against the Bengals rush defense. That
Speaker 2: is a huge advantage for the Ravens. But we also
Speaker 2: get the Bengals passing attack against the Ravens passing defense,
Speaker 2: which so far this season looks like a big advantage
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati. So fits which of those do you expect
Speaker 2: a bigger day out of the Ravens rushing game or
Speaker 2: the Bengals passing game.
Speaker 5: So I don't think your Ravens have that bad a
Speaker 5: pass defense for I know they've given up a lot
Speaker 5: of yards so far, but that was kind of skewed
Speaker 5: by the Dallas game. They are like nineteenth in opponent
Speaker 5: passer rating, below average but not terrible. The Bengals run defense,
Speaker 5: on the other hand, gave up one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: rushing yards and a touchdown to Ramandre Stevenson in week one,
Speaker 5: gave up ninety rushing yards to Isaiah Piccheco in week two,
Speaker 5: gave up touchdown runs to Brian Robinson, Junior, Austin Eckler
Speaker 5: and Jane Daniels in week three, and gave up one
Speaker 5: hundred and four rushing yards and a touchdown to Chewba
Speaker 5: Hubbard in week four. Derreck Henry is gonna steam roll
Speaker 5: this defense.
Speaker 2: I definitely agree that Derek Henry's gonna steam roll this defense.
Speaker 2: The thing I'll say about the Ravens pass defense is
Speaker 2: I think they're better.
Speaker 1: And there was some discussion about this in some.
Speaker 2: Of like the national media shows this week coming off
Speaker 2: of that Bills performance, where I think they're better suited
Speaker 2: for a defense like the Bills where there's a lot
Speaker 2: of options, but maybe not that one alpha in the
Speaker 2: passing game. I worry about the current state of their secondary,
Speaker 2: their ability to slow down at alpha, Like the way
Speaker 2: we saw Rashi Rice playing before he got hurt in
Speaker 2: that Week one game, you know, against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: He came out firing.
Speaker 2: You know, the way we saw DeVante Adams and Brock
Speaker 2: Bauers even kind of destroy them in week two. The
Speaker 2: only alpha level receiver that hasn't torched the Ravens this
Speaker 2: year is Seed Lamb, and even he I think that
Speaker 2: was more he had a bad game than the Ravens
Speaker 2: did some you know, any kind of special defense to
Speaker 2: slow him down. So the Bengals have alpha's right, they
Speaker 2: have Jamar Chase, who is as alpha as it gets,
Speaker 2: and they have t Higgins He's now back on the field.
Speaker 2: So that is what very specifically worries me. It's it's
Speaker 2: not that I think the secondary is bad. I just
Speaker 2: don't know that it's suited to slow down like an
Speaker 2: elite receiver, which by the way, is very difficult for
Speaker 2: most defenses to do. So that's more my concern in
Speaker 2: terms of looking at that particular matchup. But I totally
Speaker 2: agree that, like on the other side, like I just
Speaker 2: don't see anyway the Bengals can can stop Dereck Henry.
Speaker 2: It's this third straight great matchup against the terrible running defense,
Speaker 2: and I'm expecting to see similar to what we saw
Speaker 2: in weeks three and four.
Speaker 1: Debro, how are you looking at this one?
Speaker 3: You're not stopping the Derrick Henry train. He's gonna carry
Speaker 3: dudes with him into the second and third level defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's been awesome to watch this year.
Speaker 3: It's been so much fun. Man. He's fourth and explosive
Speaker 3: run rate now, I don't think that's going down this week, man,
Speaker 3: So I agree with you that. And as far as
Speaker 3: the pat the Baltimore pass defense, I think what's very
Speaker 3: telling is they've switched around their corner alignments and what
Speaker 3: they've been doing on the back end. Kyle Hamilton has
Speaker 3: subjectively been bad as far as a slot coverage guy,
Speaker 3: so they took him off of that last week of
Speaker 3: the week before maybe put Marlon Humphrey back into the slot,
Speaker 3: put Nate Wiggins on the outside, which has really helped them.
Speaker 3: So I think you continue to see that, although I
Speaker 3: do kind of question are they going to move it
Speaker 3: back considering are you worried about andre Yoshavas beating you
Speaker 3: in the slot? Probably not, So I do think we
Speaker 3: probably see Humphrey go back to the boundary this week.
Speaker 3: So I do think that that Baltimore's secondary is better
Speaker 3: than what they've shown so far this year. But if
Speaker 3: I got to talk about like strength for his strength, hey,
Speaker 3: nobody's stopping Derek Henry Man nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, deebro our prediction of fifteen touchdowns this week that
Speaker 2: we talked about all summer, it lay looks conservative at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean the over ten and a half
Speaker 3: at plus money, how many rushing touchdowns does he have
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: I think he's got five five already and just narrowly
Speaker 2: missed the sixth with that touchdown one yard line.
Speaker 3: You love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this matchup is so good that I when I
Speaker 2: was looking at our expert consensus rankings the half a
Speaker 2: few PR rankings, I did a double take that he
Speaker 2: wasn't RB one, He's RB two and he's only behind
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason, which is totally fair.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I mean, have him at RB
Speaker 3: one for the week. Yeah, I got him at RB
Speaker 3: one for the week.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have him at RB one again.
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Speaker 2: Guys, let's get into that awesome bills at Texans matchup.
Speaker 2: Buffalo obviously got the doors blown off them on Sunday
Speaker 2: night in Baltimore. Deebro is still reeling from getting that
Speaker 2: one wrong. It did just seem like a bad matchup
Speaker 2: that just kind of got out of hand early on.
Speaker 2: But I have to ask, and Deebrow will start with you,
Speaker 2: are there any concerns whatsoever with the Bills after that one?
Speaker 3: Not really. I mean again, I think it was things
Speaker 3: got away from them very very quick. I mean, dude,
Speaker 3: when when the game opens and Derek Henry breaks off
Speaker 3: a eighty what was an eighty seven yard run on
Speaker 3: the first eighty the longest history play of the game,
Speaker 3: you already know things are maybe going to go sideways here.
Speaker 3: So I think it was just a game that got
Speaker 3: away from the Buffalo Bills. I'm not worried about Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about a lot of parts of this
Speaker 3: passing attack or the offense just in general. Outside of like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if Khalil Shakir plays this week, But again,
Speaker 3: if you're in deeper formats, probably a good week to
Speaker 3: fire up Curtis Samuel.
Speaker 2: Din that's the same question, you know, I don't really
Speaker 2: think there's any concerns with Buffalo but you kind of
Speaker 2: have to ask after a shell acking like that, are
Speaker 2: there any concerns or was it just a bad matchup?
Speaker 5: Here's one I think if you're a Bills fan, do
Speaker 5: the Bills have enough pass catching firepower to play from
Speaker 5: behind if.
Speaker 4: They need to?
Speaker 5: I mean they've got I like Khalil Chakuire quite a bit.
Speaker 5: Dalton Kinkaid, very good pass catching tight end, not really
Speaker 5: an explosive playmaker, but very good. Who else, Kean Coleman
Speaker 5: work in progress, Curtis Samuel nice little Swiss army knife,
Speaker 5: but not really a guy who's going to make plays
Speaker 5: downfield for you, Mac Hollins, Marquez Valdez, scantling like that.
Speaker 5: That's my question with this team because like when it
Speaker 5: gets to be important games down the stretch, playoff games,
Speaker 5: who do they turn to if they go down ten points,
Speaker 5: fourteen points?
Speaker 3: The point it's a really good point. It's it's it
Speaker 3: all sounds great and groovy about oh, we're just going
Speaker 3: to find the open player, and until you get into
Speaker 3: those moments and it's a great point, FITZI, where it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: who's my go to? Who's the alpha that I lean
Speaker 3: on when the chips are down to get open, to
Speaker 3: win the matchups, to be the go to receiver. Well,
Speaker 3: they don't have that anymore.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a lean on betting this one?
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, it's just a one point
Speaker 2: spread and forty seven and a half is the total.
Speaker 2: It started at forty six and a half and then
Speaker 2: went up on DraftKings. Do you guys have a particular
Speaker 2: play you.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm not putting my money on it, but in
Speaker 5: a couple of pools i'm in where I'm required to
Speaker 5: make a pick, I'm taking the Taxans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll take the Texans. I think the
Speaker 3: spread is right. If anything, I'd probably take the Texans
Speaker 3: and take the under. F I'm forced to bet this game,
Speaker 3: I think that you're more likely to see, you know,
Speaker 3: if Buffalo is down Shakir and again their offense kind
Speaker 3: of sputters again this week. We know Buffalo's defense is good.
Speaker 3: I think the under is probably the way that I
Speaker 3: most likely to play this.
Speaker 2: Let's go to an AFC East Divisional matchup, Dolphins at Patriots.
Speaker 2: We at least some of us thought that the high
Speaker 2: level Dolphins players were somewhat QB proof for fantasy guys
Speaker 2: like Tyreek Hill mine a Chan. Do we maybe need
Speaker 2: to rethink that after what we saw in Week four
Speaker 2: and start considering sitting You know, it's really hard to
Speaker 2: see a kyle like Tyreek Hill, but do we need
Speaker 2: to seriously consider it at least these Miami players until
Speaker 2: the quarterback situation improves fits.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it's not that I thought they weren't necessarily
Speaker 5: bad QB proof. I did think they would be bad
Speaker 5: QB resistant and so far not so resistant. Maybe it's
Speaker 5: a mistake, but I still have a Chan and Tyreek
Speaker 5: Hill ranked as starters. A Chan is my RB fourteen,
Speaker 5: Tyreek is my wide receiver twenty one. The floor has
Speaker 5: crumbled for both of these guys, though, like the floor
Speaker 5: before we used to think maybe it was five or
Speaker 5: six points. Now it's like one, two, three. But a
Speaker 5: Chan and Tyreek and to a lesser extent, Jalen Wattle
Speaker 5: two are still incredibly talented players with home run speed.
Speaker 5: It hasn't happened yet, but even with a bad quarterback,
Speaker 5: eventually someone's gonna hit on a big play, Like maybe
Speaker 5: the Dolphins can spring a couple of big plays this
Speaker 5: week against the Patriots. But yes, it's it's been pretty
Speaker 5: bleak so far.
Speaker 2: There's an old Canadian sitcom called Corner Gas that I
Speaker 2: used to love watching when I was younger, and in it,
Speaker 2: these small town cops they save money and instead of
Speaker 2: getting bulletproof vests, they get bullet resistant vests, and that
Speaker 2: is you know, it makes me think of that when
Speaker 2: you talk about them being quarterback resistant in Miami. In
Speaker 2: the scene, the partner who like finds out about this
Speaker 2: is like, this shirt is wrinkle resistant. It's got a
Speaker 2: lot of wrinkles. So maybe not the smartest thing from them. Dero,
Speaker 2: what do you think? QB proof, QB resistant? QB you
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 1: How are you approaching the Dolphins players.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with sitting everybody on Miami right now. It
Speaker 3: depends on what your options are. I've got Tyrek Hill
Speaker 3: and Jim and Wattle both as wide receiver threes right now.
Speaker 3: I've got Wattle actually ranked ahead of Tyreek. I think
Speaker 3: he's gonna get shadowed by Christian Gonzalez. That is a
Speaker 3: real thing. So plus, looking at the coverage matchup, I
Speaker 3: kind of like Wattle a little bit more. Anyway. I've
Speaker 3: got Devon ah Chan as RB eighteen right now. It's
Speaker 3: been tough man. And I think the other thing that, like,
Speaker 3: it's not just the quarterback stuff. The other thing that
Speaker 3: that I guess we're not talking about enough too, is
Speaker 3: the fact that Miami's offensive line is not playing well.
Speaker 3: Devon ah Chan, as crazy as it sounds, is not
Speaker 3: breaking tackles right now, not even close to like not
Speaker 3: even at a good level, but not even at a
Speaker 3: level to where he was even like sniffing the same
Speaker 3: area code as last year. Where he's like it's not
Speaker 3: just like, okay, well he some baked in regression. It's
Speaker 3: he's been one of the low end. And I kept
Speaker 3: like writing him up as a muss start guy because
Speaker 3: the volume in the role and all these kind of
Speaker 3: things and the talent right now to this point, like
Speaker 3: his tackle breaking metrics are pretty bad. The offensive line
Speaker 3: is playing bad. I mean, this is just it's sad
Speaker 3: to say right now, like not full on like an
Speaker 3: offense to avoid, But I don't have any qualms of
Speaker 3: sitting anybody in this offense right now. It really just
Speaker 3: comes down to, like who are you debating starting Wattle,
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill or Devon.
Speaker 2: H Chan against Let's go to Panthers at Bears. We heard,
Speaker 2: you know, rumblings about Roshan Johnson going to be getting
Speaker 2: more opportunity in the Bears backfield ended up being DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 2: who had the huge game in Week four. Now they
Speaker 2: get a tasty matchup against the Panthers run defense. Are
Speaker 2: we going to rank either Roshan or Swift aggressively relative
Speaker 2: to consensus against a very porous Carolina rush defense?
Speaker 1: Debro, I mean, I've.
Speaker 3: Got where's he at in consensus?
Speaker 4: Worm sixteen?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm right with consensus. I think our running
Speaker 3: back just kind of falls off a cliff whenever you
Speaker 3: get past like the top twelve maybe thirteen guys this week.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, that is that is Swift at sixteen,
Speaker 2: Rochean is at thirty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got Swift right now at RB fifteen. I
Speaker 3: think a mid RB two is appropriate. And the thing
Speaker 3: I want to highlight with Swift is my bigger takeaway
Speaker 3: of last week was not so much like, oh, Swift
Speaker 3: is awesome and we're all wrong, Like, okay, fine, he
Speaker 3: had a twenty five percent mistackle rate last week, he
Speaker 3: still only had one point five yards of a contact
Speaker 3: per attempt. That's basement level, like, it's not good. I
Speaker 3: think the bigger takeaway from last week was if you
Speaker 3: have a running back with a heartbeat, freaking start them
Speaker 3: against the Rams. This year, they are a bottom three
Speaker 3: run defense. So while like we all consider and talk about, oh,
Speaker 3: we're so wrong and DeAndre Swift just needed a kick
Speaker 3: in the butt, bro, he got one of the best
Speaker 3: run defenses, if not the best run defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3: That is the get right elixir for everybody. He has
Speaker 3: another really good matchup this week, probably gets the volume
Speaker 3: because he played really good last week against a terrible
Speaker 3: run defense. But if anything, trade away DeAndre Swift on
Speaker 3: your off your teams, Like, I'm totally fine still making
Speaker 3: that move. Even though Roshan Johnson's role didn't change at all,
Speaker 3: this offensive line is still bad. Swift is still not amazing.
Speaker 3: Just start everybody versus the Rams.
Speaker 2: Fitz, what do you think about in this particular matchup
Speaker 2: against the Panthers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, My takeaway from that Swift game against the Rams
Speaker 5: last week was that the Rams are really missing Aaron
Speaker 5: Donald because there was that thirty what thirty three yard
Speaker 5: touchdowns run by DeAndre Swift where the middle of the
Speaker 5: Rams line parted like the Red Sea, and I was
Speaker 5: thinking that wouldn't happen if Aaron Donald were still there.
Speaker 2: And this is why FITS is one of the most
Speaker 2: accurate rankers in Fantasy with hot takes like the Rams
Speaker 2: miss Aaron Donald hey Man.
Speaker 5: So it's real, Like I have Deandre's Swift ranked RB twenty,
Speaker 5: So I guess I'm below consensus on him. It's under
Speaker 5: most circumstances. Yes, you're starting him, and the outlook is
Speaker 5: pretty good against a defense that has given up the
Speaker 5: second most rushing yards to running backs and the second
Speaker 5: most touchdown runs to running backs. But I am hesitant
Speaker 5: to embrace a running game that has only been functional
Speaker 5: in one of its four games so far. The Bears
Speaker 5: are graded twenty sixth by PFF in run blocking. Swift
Speaker 5: had thirty or fewer rushing yards in each of his
Speaker 5: first three games. He was RB forty two in a
Speaker 5: half point PPR Fantasy scoring going in a week four,
Speaker 5: which put him one spot behind Ty Johnson of the Bills.
Speaker 5: Now he's up to RB twenty four, So yeah, I'm wary,
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if the Chicago running game is
Speaker 5: fixed yet or if the Rams defense is just so
Speaker 5: broken that it could even make the Bears running game
Speaker 5: look good. So, yes, the Panthers run defense is in disarray. Two,
Speaker 5: you know, losing Derek Brown on a defense that was
Speaker 5: already bad.
Speaker 4: And who else did they lose it? They lost someone
Speaker 4: a running back? Was it Mason? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I like this is this is a shabby run
Speaker 5: defense and maybe Swift has another big game, but man,
Speaker 5: I'm like not totally buying into a Chicago rushing renaissance.
Speaker 2: So you guys mostly focus on Swift, which is fine.
Speaker 2: What are you doing with Roshan this week? He's ranked
Speaker 2: RB thirty two in consensus and a FVPR and he's
Speaker 2: a range with a lot of number two running backs
Speaker 2: in their backfield in this stretch. It's Braylen Allen, Joe Mixon,
Speaker 2: who's there because of injury, Tyler Al's year, Roshawn Johnson,
Speaker 2: Justice Hill, Antonio Gibson, Alexander Madison. That's RB twenty nine
Speaker 2: through RB thirty five. Roshan's right in the middle of that. Again,
Speaker 2: Mixon is the only one who's not in RB two,
Speaker 2: and obviously he's only there because of injury stuff. So
Speaker 2: do we like him better than those backups? Obviously how
Speaker 2: he already played. But do we like him better than
Speaker 2: those backups? Do we think that's a fair range room
Speaker 2: Are we considering starting him?
Speaker 1: Or is it more the Bears.
Speaker 2: Rush attack has been so bad that we don't care
Speaker 2: so much about the matchup de Bro.
Speaker 3: His role didn't change that much. I mean, outside of
Speaker 3: getting the touchdown last week he was. I mean the
Speaker 3: touchdown saved him. Outside of that, if he didn't get
Speaker 3: the touchdown, we probably wouldn't be ranking Roshawn Johnson even
Speaker 3: as an RB three. So I mean I would start
Speaker 3: Tank Bigsby over him. I got Justice Hill over him.
Speaker 3: I got Chase Brown in a terrible matchup over him.
Speaker 3: I think he's RB three worthy just because of the matchup,
Speaker 3: and maybe he sucks out and gets another touchdown. But
Speaker 3: to the other point that to that goes with everything fits,
Speaker 3: he was saying, this offensive line for Chicago is still dreadful.
Speaker 3: Before last week weeks one through three, the only offensive
Speaker 3: line that created fewer adjusted yards before contact per attempt
Speaker 3: was the damn Jets, their second worst. So this offensive
Speaker 3: line is horrible. So it's tough for me to invest
Speaker 3: in a guy who's rolled it and change he got
Speaker 3: there based off of a touchdown. Maybe doesn't even get
Speaker 3: the reds on work this week considering what Swift did
Speaker 3: last week. So I'm okay with Roshan, But like, do
Speaker 3: I think that he deserves like definitively to be an
Speaker 3: RB three or is a really strong flex play? Probably not.
Speaker 3: Like if we get word that Zamir White's going to
Speaker 3: be banged up and maybe limited, I'll probably move Madison
Speaker 3: above him. I'll probably move a few other guys like
Speaker 3: Eckler depending on the b rob News is going to
Speaker 3: go above him. So yeah, I mean he he's okay,
Speaker 3: but you're really touchdown hunting if you're playing Roshan fits.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I've got him like ahead
Speaker 5: of guys such as Braylen Allen and Tank Bigsby because
Speaker 5: of matchup. And I guess the encouraging thing if you
Speaker 5: are faced with starting Roshan Johnson is that Khalil Herbert
Speaker 5: has been totally a stout of the picture for the
Speaker 5: Bears now. So yeah, like you're not excited about starting him.
Speaker 5: But if you have a hero RB build and your
Speaker 5: hero is Saquon Barkley and he's on by, he might
Speaker 5: have very little choice.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Cardinals at forty nine ers Kyler Murray
Speaker 2: and the Cardinals passing game didn't quite have the huge
Speaker 2: blow up we maybe expected against a terrible Commanders defense
Speaker 2: in Week four. I'm not saying we are panicking, but
Speaker 2: scale of one to ten. What is the panic level
Speaker 2: on Arizona's offense after that somewhat disappointing performance fits.
Speaker 5: Maybe a six. The needle isn't into the red yet,
Speaker 5: but it's past the halfway point. Kyler has really only
Speaker 5: had one good game this season, and it was against
Speaker 5: our friends, the Rams, and you would have thought he
Speaker 5: would have put up better numbers against the Lions and Commanders,
Speaker 5: who do not exactly have airtight pass defenses.
Speaker 4: Didn't happen.
Speaker 5: So maybe Trey McBride's return from a concussion this week helps,
Speaker 5: But McBride only missed one of those three lackluster games
Speaker 5: that Kyler had, And if Kyler can't get it going,
Speaker 5: it's obviously gonna hurt Marvin Harrison, Junior McBride, maybe even
Speaker 5: James Connor because they're not going to be scoring as
Speaker 5: many points or getting, you know, the nice, long, sustained
Speaker 5: drives you want to see. Although so far, Connor looks
Speaker 5: like a good investment. Two hundred yard games, three touchdowns,
Speaker 5: no worries there so far. But yeah, I'm a little
Speaker 5: worried about how Kyler has played so far.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Debra?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked about this out on x. The other day,
Speaker 3: Kyler Stands kind of came for me and said that
Speaker 3: I was trolling them and stuff. I was just like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm just presenting facts, man, Like Kyler has not been
Speaker 3: good for MISS the season. Outside of the RAMS. Kyler Murray,
Speaker 3: outside of the RAMS week is averaging thirteen point three
Speaker 3: Fantasy points per game. You take away the massive RAMS game,
Speaker 3: and that would be good for QB twenty four in
Speaker 3: the season, and I'm not usually Oh well, it's games.
Speaker 3: Let's take away his best game, bro. Yeah, Okay, he's
Speaker 3: had other opportunities versus beatable secondaries, and he's looked very pedestrian.
Speaker 3: That it's it's it's a fact, okay. Like even if
Speaker 3: you take away just okay, fantasy scoring in general, outside
Speaker 3: of thirty seven qualifying quarterbacks twenty first ten yards per attempt,
Speaker 3: he is has the fourteenth highest off turf target rate.
Speaker 3: So he's not accurate, he's not playing well. The rushing's
Speaker 3: not even saving him. I'm not saying it's full blown,
Speaker 3: like okay, bells and whistles and panic mode and all
Speaker 3: these kind of things, like he's got some get right
Speaker 3: matchups over the next few weeks. Like I'm sorry to
Speaker 3: cover your ears, FITZI, but he gets the Packers next
Speaker 3: week and their secondary is not amazing, So maybe that's
Speaker 3: a get right game, or maybe that's just a huge
Speaker 3: James Connor week. But yeah, I'm kind of worried about Kyler.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just automatically thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: well plug and play QB one, fire him up, let's go,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, uh, I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: other guys in that QB one realm that you might
Speaker 3: be a little bit better off playing than Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Can you put a number to it? One to ten?
Speaker 1: Panic level?
Speaker 3: He looks terrible again this week. It's give me about
Speaker 3: a seven and a half. I'm at about a six
Speaker 3: and a half right now.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Packers, let's go to our next key question.
Speaker 2: We know Jayden Reed is good. How much do we
Speaker 2: like the other guys though, D'antavian Wicks, Romeo Dobbs, Tucker
Speaker 2: Craft with Jordan love Back and also no Christian Watson fits.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you as the Packers guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we like all of them. Against the Rams, it's
Speaker 5: the Rams. This seems to be a running theme of
Speaker 5: this show. Dantavian Wicks led all NFL receivers in air
Speaker 5: yards last week with two hundred Tucker Craft six for
Speaker 5: fifty three in a touchdown. Romeo Dobbs hasn't given us
Speaker 5: a big game yet, but would It's surprising anyone if
Speaker 5: he had a seven catch, one hundred yard game against
Speaker 5: this Rams d defense.
Speaker 4: Probably not.
Speaker 5: The Rams are thirty first in DVOA against the pass
Speaker 5: they've given up or are giving up a league high
Speaker 5: nine point one yards per pass attempt, no one else
Speaker 5: giving up more than eight point five, and their opponent
Speaker 5: passer rating is one hundred and twenty two point seven,
Speaker 5: which means that pretty much everyone they face every quarterback
Speaker 5: looks like a mashup of Dan Marino, Joe Montana, and
Speaker 5: Todd Brady. So yeah, I mean like, I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a good game. Of course, some of the
Speaker 5: stats from last week are skewed because the Packers dug
Speaker 5: themselves a twenty eight nothing hole and had to throw
Speaker 5: like crazy to try to catch up. But still, man
Speaker 5: like against the Rams defense, all these guys look like
Speaker 5: attractive fantasy plays for Week.
Speaker 2: Five, We're we're ranking Wicks ahead of Dubs, right like
Speaker 2: well ahead, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Deebra, I know that you have been a big
Speaker 2: Tucker Craft fan for a while, so I want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on him. Also the receivers and just
Speaker 2: how you know aggressive. We were ranking all these guys
Speaker 2: this week, said when.
Speaker 3: They drafted a man, when they drafted Tucker Craft, and
Speaker 3: Luke Muskrave I said, this is the Hayden Hurst and
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews situation, and Tucker Craft is Mark Andrews, not
Speaker 3: Hayden Nursed. Yeah, love him man. The fact that he
Speaker 3: has continued to ball out, I think it's it's very telling,
Speaker 3: and I love a win. Coaching staffs when they throw
Speaker 3: draft capital and stuff out the window and they say, look,
Speaker 3: you you're the better player. You're playing better, so you're
Speaker 3: the starter. And that's what Tucker Craft has done. He
Speaker 3: proved himself last year. He's a top twelve tight end
Speaker 3: for me rest of season. And this week, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's basically this week is start every packer that you got. Man.
Speaker 3: I'm extremely high on don Tavian Wicks, like I've got
Speaker 3: him as a top twenty four wide receiver. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: I'm over the moon with him. But like, I think
Speaker 3: this game is going to absolutely shoot out. You have
Speaker 3: two defenses on both sides that can allow points in production.
Speaker 3: I think this is a huge get because we haven't
Speaker 3: seen a massive game from Josh Jacobs yet. Did you
Speaker 3: just see what DeAndre Swift did to this run defense?
Speaker 3: Just Jacobs is going off this week.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: The only thing that keeps the wide receivers from going
Speaker 3: off is Jacob's having himself a freaking day.
Speaker 5: Just to clarify, Debro comparing Tucker Craft to Mark Andrews,
Speaker 5: you meant that as a compliment.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, not not rude. Oh that's far but true.
Speaker 3: Not to parentheses, not twenty twenty four Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2: Every other year of Mark andrew Tucker Craft is Mark
Speaker 2: Andrews parentheses derogatory.
Speaker 3: I do appreciate the clarification because it's.
Speaker 2: Needed, especially because I actually, I actually I'm starting Craft
Speaker 2: over Andrews in a Dynasty league this week, although part
Speaker 2: of me is wondering if the Kyle Pitts breakout this
Speaker 2: week is a sign that maybe tight Ends are coming
Speaker 2: back and should get off get off Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're going in the right direction. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I suppose, by the way, Jane Reid inside the top
Speaker 2: six amongst swide receivers, because that's why we're not really
Speaker 2: messing him, because that would be like I said, we
Speaker 2: know he's good and uh an obvious start. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a smash game for the Packers for sure.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the key question for Sunday Nights
Speaker 2: Cowboys at Steelers matchup, I want to ask you guys
Speaker 2: about your Uber East Sunday Night Meals of the Week debro.
Speaker 2: What must Order food gets you reaching for your Uber
Speaker 2: Eats app for great game day deals when you think
Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Oh, dude, that that comes down to, Uh, it's easy.
Speaker 3: The one on one for me is Parogi's, Dude, It's
Speaker 3: it's Parogi's. I was very sad and I'm gonna throw
Speaker 3: this out here, not only for Pittsburgh, but I'm staring
Speaker 3: at you, Canton. When we went to the Fantasy Football Expo,
Speaker 3: I was very sad when we went to the hotel
Speaker 3: and they had taken Parogi's off of the menu. So
Speaker 3: I definitely got to get my fix. If I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about Pittsburgh, it's got to be Parogi's, and it's either
Speaker 3: going to be from Parogi's plus or cop out Parogi's.
Speaker 3: They just fantastic man fit.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Perogis as well when we were talking about this,
Speaker 2: but you've got another choice too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Parogi's. I'm from Milwaukee, big Polish population,
Speaker 5: like h Perogis. I'm all about the Progies, but it
Speaker 5: is a void in my life that I have never
Speaker 5: had a Primante brother sandwich with the like pastrami, with
Speaker 5: the French fries and the Coleslaw right on the sandwich.
Speaker 4: Like, I am all about that.
Speaker 5: I need to fix that and get myself to Permanty
Speaker 5: Brothers or or have Uber Eats from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I have had Permanty Brothers before. I've been to a
Speaker 2: couple of Pirates games in Pittsburgh, just going up to
Speaker 2: see the coolest baseball stadium, and I've gotten Permanty Brothers,
Speaker 2: went up there.
Speaker 1: It is good. It is good.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like say it's the all time greatest
Speaker 2: sandwich I've ever had, but it was very good and
Speaker 2: I would I would definitely recommend it. I am going
Speaker 2: to protest the fact that we didn't start this until
Speaker 2: the week after the Ravens were hosting Sunday Night Football
Speaker 2: and say that last week it would have been krab
Speaker 2: Cakes for me. You guys already picked the good Pittsburgh one.
Speaker 2: So I will look backwards and say in week four,
Speaker 2: if we were already doing this for uber each.
Speaker 1: In Baltimore, I.
Speaker 2: Can't start off with a Pittsburgh Baltimore one.
Speaker 1: So there you have it.
Speaker 2: Our Uber Eats Sunday Night meals of the week. We
Speaker 2: got Parogi's, we got Primancy Brothers. Last week it would
Speaker 2: have been Krabcakes. Uber Eats has the best game day
Speaker 2: deals all season long. Order now for game day all right,
Speaker 2: in this matchup an interesting matchup for Sunday Night football.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields typically does run more. It feels like as
Speaker 2: the season goes along, he's now coming off his best
Speaker 2: game of the year to rushing touchdowns in that one.
Speaker 2: How high are we ranking him this week against the
Speaker 2: Cowboys or do we think it's the Steelers running back room,
Speaker 2: namely Najia Harris, who will take advantage of this Cowboys
Speaker 2: run defense debro.
Speaker 3: I've got Justin Fields at QB six right now. I
Speaker 3: think the conversation for him starts at QB five. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's just However, we want to slice this guys, he's
Speaker 3: gonna run, us is not gonna be able to bring pressure.
Speaker 3: Their entire pass rush is basically gone right now. Fantastic
Speaker 3: single high matchup for George Pickens and Pat friarm Youth.
Speaker 3: So whether he's gonna run, he's gonna throw the ball,
Speaker 3: it's a fantastic or he's gonna sit in the pocket
Speaker 3: and then just carve up a very I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say overrated, but this is not the secondary we thought
Speaker 3: we were getting, or at least to the skill level
Speaker 3: and shut down potential entering the twenty twenty four season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so all things fields for me this week, man.
Speaker 1: Fit's what do you think? Where are your ranking fields?
Speaker 5: I fields QB seven, but I would not have any
Speaker 5: complaint with him being at QB five or QB six.
Speaker 5: I've Nijee Harris ranked running back seventeen.
Speaker 4: It is a good.
Speaker 5: Setup for both guys, and Deebro talked about it. With
Speaker 5: no Micah Parsons or Tamarcus Lawrence for the Cowboys, their
Speaker 5: pass rush has just been wiped out. Probably no Jalen
Speaker 5: Warren or Cordero Patterson for the Steelers, so it's pretty
Speaker 5: much gonna be a the Nause show for the Pittsburgh
Speaker 5: Running Game. How exactly is it going to look? Worm
Speaker 5: that I cannot tell you. You are asking me to
Speaker 5: light a lantern and crawl around inside the headspace of
Speaker 5: Arthur Smith, and I don't know what I'm gonna find.
Speaker 5: Cave drawings of a game plan that has a bunch
Speaker 5: of bunch of manufactured touches for Darnell Washington and Calvin
Speaker 5: Austin the iid do not make me go splunking down there, worms,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know how it's gonna look. But
Speaker 5: Justin Fields and Najie Harris are both attractive plays.
Speaker 3: I didn't think we were going to get to spurlunking
Speaker 3: in Arthur Smith's cranium. That is that is I do.
Speaker 3: I do love the idea mental image that is one
Speaker 3: hell of one.
Speaker 2: I do love the idea that his playbook is like
Speaker 2: drawing on gaves.
Speaker 3: That was that was fantastic fingerpaint.
Speaker 2: You have to know hieroglyphics to read his playbook. All right,
Speaker 2: Let's go to the last question on the slate here
Speaker 2: Saints at Chiefs Monday night football.
Speaker 3: Who is it?
Speaker 2: This is an easy one. Who is it that will
Speaker 2: step up in Rashie Rice's absence. We saw Travis Kelcey
Speaker 2: last week, you know, after Rice went down seven catches
Speaker 2: eighty nine yards, his best game of the season. So
Speaker 2: it will be Travis Kelcey. Will it be Xavier Worthy
Speaker 2: highly Tweder rookie had some explosive plays. Or is it
Speaker 2: door number three? Is it someone else, whether it's a
Speaker 2: running back, whether it's a lesser known receiver, whether it's anybody,
Speaker 2: whether maybe the answer is nobody steps up in his absence?
Speaker 2: How are you approaching this without Rashi Rice debro.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be Travis Kelcey. He's a security blanket. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be the number one option for the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 3: So I mean you're you're also facing an Orleans Saints defense.
Speaker 3: It's given up the seventh post receiving arts, the tight ends.
Speaker 3: So I think Kelsey's gonna be the go to. And
Speaker 3: I'm really kind of curious how much of the yards
Speaker 3: of the catch stuff that Xavier Worthy picks up and
Speaker 3: what that role looks like Like, I think Kelsey probably
Speaker 3: rolls into that Rashi Rice role, But I'm wondering if
Speaker 3: because Xavier Worthy was quietly a really good run out
Speaker 3: of the catch guy in Texas like top twenty and
Speaker 3: multiple different seasons and Yack per reception, So I think
Speaker 3: he picks up part of that. But the number one
Speaker 3: guy for Mahomes is going to be Kelsey moving forward,
Speaker 3: especially in this matchup.
Speaker 1: Fitz, do you agree?
Speaker 2: Are you still thinking that, you know, maybe kind of
Speaker 2: the long term, they might still want to save Kelsey
Speaker 2: to agree to a degree for January and it ends
Speaker 2: up being Worthy or someone else. By the way, Rice
Speaker 2: is officially on IR as of the time we're taking this.
Speaker 2: No announcement about you know, long term, like if this
Speaker 2: was truly an ACL or after the season or anything,
Speaker 2: but he is on IR officially.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Deebro covered it pretty well, like I don't think
Speaker 5: you can spare Kelsey with the situation they're in right now,
Speaker 5: and Deebro, I think covered it pretty well for week five.
Speaker 5: But long term, worm you mentioned door number three, I
Speaker 5: think you have to at least knock on door number
Speaker 5: three for the long term, which maybe is considering a trade.
Speaker 5: Like we saw Kelsey step up last week, but how
Speaker 5: can you lean on a thirty five year old tight
Speaker 5: end this hard for a full season? And by the
Speaker 5: way Travis kelce thirty six on Saturday. Happy Birthday, Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 5: But this has to be so frustrating for Chiefs GM
Speaker 5: Brett Viach. They won the title last year even though
Speaker 5: they were seriously under manned at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 5: and Veach goes out and signs Hollywood Brown draft Savior
Speaker 5: Worthy in the first round. Hollywood as a season ending injury.
Speaker 5: Never plays Worthy nice addition, but he has not He
Speaker 5: hasn't had more than five touches in any game this year.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if he's cut out to get
Speaker 5: ten or eleven targets every week, like he is more
Speaker 5: seasoning than main ingredients. Then you lose a guy who
Speaker 5: was a main ingredient, Rashee Rice. I mean, if Patrick
Speaker 5: Mahomes is the stake in this offense, Rashee Rice was
Speaker 5: the mash potatoes. Who is going to step up with
Speaker 5: Rice out? Like Justin Watson, Juju Smith, Schuster, Nicole Hardman,
Speaker 5: Sky Moore, Like they're just not appealing options here. So
Speaker 5: still some optimism that the Rice injury isn't a serious,
Speaker 5: like really long term thing, maybe four to six if
Speaker 5: they're lucky, But don't you think Veach is at least
Speaker 5: making some calls these days. And I know there's been
Speaker 5: talk about the Chiefs requiring Tyreek Hill. I don't think
Speaker 5: that's gonna happen because of the financial commitment Miami still
Speaker 5: has with him. But what about Deontay Johnson who is
Speaker 5: on a one year deal with the Panthers, a team
Speaker 5: that is not going to the playoffs and could really
Speaker 5: use draft picks.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask yet, Deontay Johnson, Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins?
Speaker 1: Is Johnson? Is he your favorite?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I just think he makes the most sense as far
Speaker 5: as what like a guy who could be a high
Speaker 5: volume pass catcher right away and a team that simply
Speaker 5: isn't going anywhere and doesn't need him.
Speaker 2: Dee ro, do you have kind of a top choice
Speaker 2: that you'd like to see the man?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna shout out Joe on this one, and I
Speaker 3: hate to do that, but I'm gonna do that because
Speaker 3: I'm not going to take credit for this, But Keenan
Speaker 3: Allen makes so much sense on both different sides, Like
Speaker 3: the Bears aren't going any like Okay, fine, if you
Speaker 3: want to say the Bears are going anywhere or not
Speaker 3: this year, they don't need Keenan Allen to definitively, you know,
Speaker 3: prove or disprove the evaluation of Caleb Williams. You still
Speaker 3: have Dj Moore, you still have romadoons A. I think
Speaker 3: En plus Keenan Allen is still only on that one
Speaker 3: year deal, Like, he makes so much sense for Kansas
Speaker 3: City and a player that like they know him quite well,
Speaker 3: they've played him in multiple years and he fits that
Speaker 3: rashid rice like he could play outside, could play inside.
Speaker 3: The versatility, giving open and being a guy that is
Speaker 3: a trusted veteran like Keenan Allen makes the most sense
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: It makes sense as a fit. It would be weird.
Speaker 2: I know it's a business and he's already not in
Speaker 2: La anymore. It would be weird after sing him with
Speaker 2: the Chargers for so long to see him in Chiefs Red,
Speaker 2: But it's nature of the ning.
Speaker 3: I would love to see Keenan Allen get a ring.
Speaker 3: Talk about a guy who's been on so many up
Speaker 3: and down teams that deserves to enjoy the fruits of winning,
Speaker 3: like Keenan Allen and getting a ring.
Speaker 2: Dude that neither you guys mentioned, and maybe there's reasons
Speaker 2: for it. You know, particular the fact that they're Indivision.
Speaker 2: But the big name on the trade block right now
Speaker 2: is DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3: I don't see what happened on the Raiders, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean in division money and why. Yeah, I don't see
Speaker 3: it happening. I think Devonte is is Jets or bust baby.
Speaker 3: I think that's where he's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll wrap up there. Thank you everybody for tuning in.
Speaker 2: Best of Lucky in your Week five matchups. Hopefully it
Speaker 2: goes better than Debro's prop bets did on Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 2: For Devro and Fits, I'm Ryan Warmley. Thank you everybody
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