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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com, and of course, on the Bloomberg Julian

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Speaker 1: EMMANUELA b t I G or all we got is

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Speaker 1: a stupid hat. Uh, tell us about bt I G

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Speaker 1: Charity Day first, So you have us twenty seconds. So

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Speaker 1: you guys raised a ton of money. Yeah, we've raised

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Speaker 1: forty five million dollars since two thousand and three. And

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Speaker 1: the belief is that when Steven Starker and Scott Cavalk

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Speaker 1: founded the firm, they wanted to really, you know, create

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Speaker 1: a spirit of giving, a culture of giving. And we

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Speaker 1: have this day once a year where the firm donates

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Speaker 1: all its commissions to charity designated by the clients and

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Speaker 1: our celebrity guest traders again Mike Bloomberg and luminaries from

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Speaker 1: sports and so on. So John Farroll, I gotta get

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Speaker 1: through the month. Charity is one of the donors. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: on a on a massive effort, Junio, and good luck today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's talk about the equity markets. Dollars strongth

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Speaker 1: is that good or bad for stocks? It's good and

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Speaker 1: and people misinterpret it. Um. You know, there's this this

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Speaker 1: thing that we call in recency bias. So we saw

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Speaker 1: the stock market rise consistently in seventeen alongside a week

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Speaker 1: or dollar, and there's this sort of mental dislocation that

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Speaker 1: investors have right now that they don't really fully buy

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Speaker 1: into the fact that stocks can rise with a strong dollar.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the strong dollar is going to increase the

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Speaker 1: fled the FEDS flexibility and put a lid on inflation.

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Speaker 1: So let's think about the big sector. Where we got

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Speaker 1: the leadership from in the in the equity market over

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Speaker 1: the last year or so. It came from tech. Tech

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Speaker 1: is a growth story. It's also a very international story.

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Speaker 1: And the weaker dollars certainly helped down tech over the

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Speaker 1: last year. Is it not a headwind for the big

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Speaker 1: sector that's led most of this run so far over

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Speaker 1: the last year. It is, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's why it's actually neutral for for US

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Speaker 1: at b T I g UM. But it isn't an

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Speaker 1: unequivocal negative because the flip side of that story is

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Speaker 1: that with the stronger dollar, yields on the long end

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Speaker 1: seemed to be very tame. The fact that treasury volatility

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Speaker 1: is near its all time lows. Imagine if the VIX

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Speaker 1: were back to nine or ten, that's the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: where treasury volatility is right now. That's a positive for

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Speaker 1: high multiple technology. So it's your basic argument that this

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Speaker 1: will keep financial conditions looser than that otherwise would be

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Speaker 1: because the FED won't have to go that quickly. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be one of those ones where the

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Speaker 1: FED gets more leeway to react to incoming data in

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Speaker 1: a manner as we heard from Powell earlier today, that

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Speaker 1: the markets will be able to anticipate. What did you

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Speaker 1: think of the space from Sham and Poal today, The

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Speaker 1: idea that people overstate the Fed's influence on global financial conditions.

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Speaker 1: I think some people might take issue with that. I

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Speaker 1: think that was a bit of modesty. The fact is

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Speaker 1: is that the FED has always been a critical player

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Speaker 1: in the evolution of financial conditions when you look at

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Speaker 1: how the world recovered in two thousand and nine. But

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Speaker 1: also the flip side is that history shows that recessions

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Speaker 1: start because the FED tightens too much. Well, but how

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Speaker 1: far away from too much? I mean, acting is an economist,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me we're way way way away from

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Speaker 1: too much. Well, we are. And and to the Fed's credit,

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Speaker 1: this cycle began with core pc, you know, closer to

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Speaker 1: we are now. So we've already started building in the

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Speaker 1: preconditions for the recovery and growth to continue. Real rates

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Speaker 1: are still pretty much negative. This is a still this

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Speaker 1: is an accommodative Federal reserve. Still how much longer? Full? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You tell me when the ECB is going to start

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Speaker 1: get less accommodative. Um it is. It's a global picture,

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Speaker 1: year end story, Julian, has anything changed for you guys,

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Speaker 1: Because I saw a note come across my desk yesterday

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Speaker 1: So by those rights, the correction that we've had for

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Speaker 1: what we're doing by this correction, what we're doing by

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Speaker 1: and that got destroyed in January for higher prices. In

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Speaker 1: the second what is the distinctive? We gotta go, darn it?

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Speaker 1: Have a charity day, morow Tom. There's a clock on

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Speaker 1: your screen, a clock. It's my first day. What can

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Speaker 1: I say? Julia, Emmanuel, thank you so much? Into all

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Speaker 1: at bt I G. Does Greenfield show up at this thing? Oh? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Rich is a presence at bt I G. Rich Greenfield,

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Speaker 1: is a great team b T I G. Charity Day.

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Speaker 1: Who do right now? Folks? We're Sril de Jacques or

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Speaker 1: so with us with clear view energy partners. Jacques, you

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Speaker 1: have a telling note. Forget about I ran forget about

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Speaker 1: the dollar. Forget about all this other bologna. You lead

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Speaker 1: with Venezuela. Start with our listeners, coast to coast. Do

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Speaker 1: we really care about Venezuelan oil? Why is that? Well,

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Speaker 1: oil is such a global market that you really need

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Speaker 1: to follow where the supply is coming from. And Venezuela

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Speaker 1: has historically been one of the larger supplies of oil

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Speaker 1: we've seen a significant reduction in overall supply from Venezuela

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Speaker 1: Are we ready for a pullback in Iranian crude as well?

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Speaker 1: Iran is definitely a different situation because because there actually

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Speaker 1: that ultimately mean for you, Jack, Well, just by itself,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really mean much. We're going to need to

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Speaker 1: base case today, Jack, I think that the European Union

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Speaker 1: But initially that's not going to cause any sort of

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Speaker 1: there any middle ground, Jack, That's that's a great question,

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Speaker 1: and I think, um, we're going to have to get

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Speaker 1: um complex maze of outcomes that could take place here.

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Speaker 1: But from my perspective, looking at supply demand, I do

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Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at the situation the all market

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Speaker 1: natural balancing that occurs. Jack, I want to spend a

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Speaker 1: little bit of time talking about the politics of OPEC

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Speaker 1: If the Saudis could pick an oil price right now,

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