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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle him in New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Smolkin. Welcome to the newest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Giants Huddle podcast. Thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us today. We're gonna talk to the four Giants positional

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Speaker 1: coaches on the offensive side of the ball, wide receivers

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Speaker 1: coach Tyke Tilbert, tight end coach Linda Wells, offensive line

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Speaker 1: coach how Hunter, and running backs coach Craig Johnson. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to our interviews, I want to remind

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Speaker 1: for us. Now we're gonna lead off with Giants wide

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Speaker 1: receivers coach Tyke Tilbert, who has a new edition starting

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Golden Tate. I started off the interview by

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Speaker 1: asking Tyke Tilbert how Golden Tate and Sterling Shepherd, with

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Speaker 1: their similar skill set, will complement each other on the

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Speaker 1: football field in I think it's awesome that they both

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Speaker 1: have those similar traits, so they both make players on

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Speaker 1: the ball, you know, they're both play makers, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that they can play inside and outside. You love

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Speaker 1: guys that have versatility, which they both have. You love

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Speaker 1: guys who can make players on the ball, running out

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Speaker 1: to the catch, make touchdowns. So the things that they have,

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Speaker 1: we love that in all those guys, so we think

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Speaker 1: they'll be They help fit very well on offense. I

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Speaker 1: suppose of you know, having got to play inside outside

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. Go line up, play, make plays. They

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Speaker 1: can both go deep, they can both go shallow. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a asset to have. Now when you

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Speaker 1: look at them, you don't see like the body type

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Speaker 1: traditional X receiver, right, That's not what you see with

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Speaker 1: them necessarily, though their skills allow them to do it.

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Speaker 1: How important is it for you, guys, with all the

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Speaker 1: other players you have in your group to try to

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Speaker 1: find that traditional bigger downfield deep there that can consistently

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Speaker 1: stretch the defense, play and play out. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of what you have of your offense

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Speaker 1: and what fits you. There's a team they want a

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Speaker 1: few Super Bowls to the last few years, they don't

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Speaker 1: have that same guy either, and they just make plays.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it doesn't matter, you know, size wise.

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Speaker 1: I've always been um a kind of guy that looks

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Speaker 1: for playmakers, you know, playmakers coming all different shapes, sizes,

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Speaker 1: and colors. So and we have playmakers on our team now.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I like about our team. We have

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Speaker 1: a lot of playmakers who can play inside, outside, make

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Speaker 1: the offense for other guys underneath route. So we have

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Speaker 1: that versatility with all our guys, and that's what makes

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Speaker 1: us so unique. Coaches love competition, and you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a great competition for your third wide receivers spot, your

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Speaker 1: What are you looking for from that next set after

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Speaker 1: that's important to you to earn a prominent role in

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Speaker 1: this roster. Well, the biggest thing is the versatility. You know,

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Speaker 1: He kind of got dropped in its stuff for sometimes receivers,

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Speaker 1: were with him back in Denver. Also, what is about

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Speaker 1: always has a knock to make big plays down the field.

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Speaker 1: He has the size and the speech. They do those,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, he's really good special team. So

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Speaker 1: Cody's future is right here with the Giants. What you

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Speaker 1: continue to see a lot more heavy formations, including two

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Speaker 1: You know, the play action off of the run. Um,

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Uh. The Titans do an excellent job in

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Speaker 1: the more way able to run the ball, the more

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Speaker 1: the play acts and stuff compliments the run. So again,

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Speaker 1: how much will we see it? You know, we'll see

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Speaker 1: have all right, this guy is that this type of player,

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Speaker 1: we want to have him in the spot, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, like I've said before, when you

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Speaker 1: and what's the next step from there. He's made tremendous strides.

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Speaker 1: Tremendous strides in the running game. Um, he understands his technique. Uh,

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Speaker 1: him to do, beause he's so reliable. He's a pro.

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Speaker 1: the next step as a player as a young guy again,

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Speaker 1: just continue to be persistent and consistent with the techniques

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Speaker 1: his aim and points players to his redeeming quality to

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Speaker 1: be tough, be physical, all right, and then always put

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Speaker 1: yourself in a position, all right to finish your blocks.

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Speaker 1: I landed. Finally, we saw evn Ingram kind of have

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Speaker 1: You know, you always want to continue to progress throughout

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Speaker 1: best football in December. And uh, that's what we will

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Speaker 1: continue to do this year, pushing forward, Uh, compliment December

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Speaker 1: best football when it's needed. Thank you. That's Giants tight

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Speaker 1: end coach Linda wells Now. Let's turn our attention to

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, where the Giants made some big additions

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