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Speaker 3: Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: It is our two all fired up on a Friday,

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Speaker 1: one hour down. Jeff Goodman, By the way, college basketball

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna join us this hour on that Ace Bailey story,

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Speaker 1: which is a bummer because reportedly he's not a bad kid,

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Speaker 1: but that situation in Utah, he's the one kid didn't

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Speaker 1: show up for workouts. Apparently his agent, who's not certified

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Speaker 1: by the NBA Players Association, is giving a batted buy,

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Speaker 1: so that thing has gone sideways fast. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to a friend yesterday when I love the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: like I watched the whole thing. I would say a

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Speaker 1: sixth rounder in the NFL Draft is comparable to a

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Speaker 1: second rounder in the NBA Draft.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to the staff this morning.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to call the player out, but it

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Speaker 1: was one of the first players taken at the top

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Speaker 1: of the second round in the NBA draft. He was

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Speaker 1: a player taken in the top of the second round.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pick on him. He's a young kid,

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Speaker 1: but literally the scouting report was he gets lost. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't Wow, he doesn't. No, no, I mean this is

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Speaker 1: what the scouts said. They're like, he doesn't, he can't

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Speaker 1: kind of keep up. And I'm thinking, well, the NBA

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Speaker 1: is twice as fast as college basketball, Like, the NBA

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Speaker 1: is warp speed and at the college level, this is

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Speaker 1: the first player taken in the second round. They were like,

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Speaker 1: he's a deep, rotational player. The NBA game is going

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Speaker 1: to be too fast for him. He gets lost offensively,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, so that's why with the NBA draft,

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Speaker 1: I think we have to be very careful.

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Speaker 3: Jokich was a second rounder. That is unheard of.

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Speaker 1: It's by the way, I had a GM tell me this.

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Speaker 1: He has since passed, but told me this twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: He is out after the fourteenth pick. It's coin flipping,

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Speaker 1: you really, there are eighteen year old kids. You can

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Speaker 1: say that, but they're outliers Dramon and jok.

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Speaker 4: The basketball pool globally is much deeper now. Than it

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Speaker 4: was twenty years ago. The sixth round verse second round

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Speaker 4: is interesting. So NFL rosters are over fifty guys. NBA

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Speaker 4: is barely not even fifteen guys. So it's like, it's

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Speaker 4: so it's so difficult to make over.

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Speaker 1: But remember this in the NBA. Well, but remember this

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Speaker 1: half of the NFL is undrafted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that too.

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Speaker 1: So you say there's not that big of a pool,

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Speaker 1: it's a global pool. Well, the truth of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: look at look at every college football player eligible for

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft. It's an FCS one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: pro and you have so many guys in a roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it is they're different drafts. You plug immediate holes

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Speaker 1: get three players a draft maybe that can plug an

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Speaker 1: immediate hole like the Like the Mavericks need more playmaking boom.

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Speaker 1: The Sixers could use a disruptive defensive guard kid from

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Speaker 1: Baylor boom. But I think even a Dylan Harper, the

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Speaker 1: take him an entire season to figure out where he

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Speaker 1: is fitting in offensively to the Spurs.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, like the NBA, players are

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Speaker 4: playing much longer. There's a report we'll talk about in

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Speaker 4: herdline here Sef Curry. He ain't going anywhere like guys

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Speaker 4: are playing fifteen twenty years in the NBA NFL. You know,

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Speaker 4: you hit thirty years old. Then as a wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: you're kind of sort of washed. You know, the windows

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Speaker 4: much smaller. Plus you have to play three years in college.

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Speaker 4: So it's a decent comparison. Second round verse six, I

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Speaker 1: So And by the way, you have had one or

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Speaker 1: So I saw this story SI dot com. This is

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Speaker 1: the story the Niners gave brock Purty the richest contract

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Speaker 1: in franchise history, which means Kyle Shanahan probably will be

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Speaker 1: on the hot seat if the Niners missed the playoffs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Belichick got fired, so anybody can get fired.

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Speaker 1: But Annie Reid was out of work for about forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes before the phone rang. In life, in business,

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Speaker 1: in sports, you have to identify your weakness. Like it's

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Speaker 1: not just about bringing other people in. What don't we

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Speaker 1: do well? Kyle Shanahan and the Niners are not drafting well.

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Speaker 1: It's on John Lynch. But I will say this, this

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Speaker 1: the very rare head coach and Sean Payton falls into this.

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Speaker 1: They're great with personnel, so when they get I said,

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Speaker 1: this year's draft by Denver felt like Sean Payton had

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Speaker 1: a hand in it. I don't always love that. But

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, he was great at personnel, came from college,

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Speaker 1: knew it. Jim Harbaugh knows personnel. Kyle Shanahan's dad was

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Speaker 1: an NFL guy. Kyle Shanahan's really an NFL guy. I

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Speaker 1: think he's got too much say in personnel. I think,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it's one of those things where

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Speaker 1: coaches want power. Belichick, Pete Carroll, and Kyle Shanahan have power,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes you don't have culpability because you have so

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Speaker 1: much say in the draft. John Snyder is one of

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Speaker 1: the smartest personnel guys in the league the Seahawks GM.

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Speaker 1: He almost left because Pete Carroll after Paul Allen's death,

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Speaker 1: had way too much power and the Seahawks were missing

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Speaker 1: on a lot of first and second round guys. John

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Speaker 1: three very good drafts. I thought that the best draft

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Speaker 1: this year in the NFL. So it's hard enough to

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Speaker 1: be a coach. To be a coach in GM, go

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Speaker 1: look at Belichick.

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Speaker 3: I've been on this.

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Speaker 1: You know this. Belichick's last seven drafts, he controlled them.

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Speaker 1: They're awful. They're awful. And I don't like the Niners drafts.

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Speaker 1: I liked the first couple Niners drafts. Kyle didn't have

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Speaker 1: the power. Then he started showing up the Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: I think they have reached on players overdrafted wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: on plenty of guys. So I think what Kyle's going

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Speaker 1: through because I think he's a great coach. He's not

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Speaker 1: a perfect coach. PFF had him seventh last year. He's

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Speaker 1: not a perfect coach. McVeigh, Andy Reid about as close

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Speaker 1: to perfect as you can get. Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: really really good. But I think Shanahan's issue he now

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Speaker 1: has Remember, coaches are making fifteen million a year, gms

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Speaker 1: he's paying the big money. And the guy who's making

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Speaker 1: the most money, I mean Sean McVay. Thank god, he

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Speaker 1: and less sneed get along. He's making a lot more

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Speaker 1: than less sneed. He's got the ultimate power in that building.

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Speaker 1: McVeigh is good with personnel, but he's also not power hungry.

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Speaker 1: So I think Shanahan's going through a little of what

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll did at the end of Seattle and what

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Speaker 1: Belichick went through several years in New England. He's got

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Speaker 1: so much power and so much respect he's making he's

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Speaker 1: they are, he should have less say in personnel because

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Speaker 1: I do not like at all. I think San Francisco

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Speaker 1: is starting to feel like Belichick's last several drafts. They

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Speaker 1: are reaching for guys. I mean they took a kicker

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Speaker 1: and and it hasn't been great Julian Edelman and again,

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Speaker 1: you know there's this Kyle Shanahan worship in the league.

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Speaker 1: Here's Julian Edelman earlier this week on Shanahan.

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Speaker 5: He's a great coach, but you know he's a coach

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Speaker 5: that likes to play from ahead. Whenever he plays from behind,

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Speaker 5: is he's not really you know, he stays, he stays

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Speaker 5: they don't have a lead, that the stats are terrible.

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Speaker 5: When they play from ahead, they play the game the

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Speaker 5: way they want to play. When their team is constructed

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Speaker 5: to play that way, they're a really great football team.

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Speaker 3: Now now they usually do get a lead.

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Speaker 1: And this is why he's a great much like Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid in Philadelphia that was getting to a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: C quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan since he's been in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: has the third rated offense, and he's done it with

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be fair here, Rock Perty, Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: He's got kind of the Andy Reid thing. Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: got to a super Bowl in Philly, did not win.

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Speaker 1: Kyle's getting the super bowls, not winning, but consistently they

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Speaker 1: feel like they're a conference championship level team. And it's

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Speaker 1: much easier to do with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: San Francisco's issue is Kyle's got a little bit too

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Speaker 1: much say in personnel. I don't mind Sean Payton having

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Speaker 1: as good as it gets. Jim Harbaugh two being NFL

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid doesn't, and Andy Reid knows it. So Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid lets Brett Beach control and he's a pro guy.

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Speaker 1: Andy hasn't been in college he's a pro guy and

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Speaker 1: he knows it. He's not arrogant. He lets Brett Beach

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Speaker 1: do it. But the more power these coaches get, they

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Speaker 1: start leaning on the gm let GMS gm let John

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Speaker 1: Snyder and Jason Lyton Tampa and Chris Spouder let him

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Speaker 1: GM It's hard enough to be a great coach to do.

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Speaker 1: But Mike Holmbron was in Seattle. Mike Holmgren's brilliant guy,

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Speaker 1: great all time coach. There was a time in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I think he had a little too much sand personnel,

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Speaker 1: and the Seattle had a couple of week drafts and

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Speaker 1: it was like, oh, coach has too much. Say just

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Speaker 1: the thought, all right. The Ace Bailey story is sad

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Speaker 1: where the adults the agent's not helping.

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Speaker 3: The NBA.

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Speaker 1: Had a bird Magic moment, which I don't think it

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Speaker 1: It's very rare when the two players and the two

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Speaker 1: And I always said this about the Red Sox, even

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Speaker 1: So the Yankees are number one. I think the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: The World Series ratings were up sixty seven percent. That

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Speaker 1: It's very much what's happening in baseball. And have I

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Speaker 3: How do you not?

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Speaker 1: It's their bird magic moment and they're just incredible guys.

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Speaker 1: jerks like as our best Flay Oh Tawny is about

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid, incredibly humble

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Speaker 1: and gracious. But you just do not see it in

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Speaker 1: sports very often. What are the two biggest NFL franchise? Okay,

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Speaker 1: which is extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: But do we find.

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Speaker 1: One Otanian Judge, It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't need that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and Kansas City

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: But there's a reason we talk more baseball in the show,

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Speaker 1: and it's Otani and Judge are a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the News, No, no.

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Speaker 2: This is the what is the second big?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the Cowboys are America's team.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them, although network

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Speaker 1: still one network's executives, I think Kansas City is number two, right,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City's number two?

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift. Sure, and they're winning, but if they missed

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah. You know a team that's underrated.

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Speaker 1: I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen, like the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was

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Speaker 1: I said this last year, Buffalo and the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 4: What about Jets forty nine ers, That probably would do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody

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Speaker 4: That's not nice. All right, Let's that's really mean. All right.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,

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Speaker 4: my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty

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Speaker 4: seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was

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Speaker 4: just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph

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Speaker 4: We're not talking six or eight years, but he has

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Speaker 4: many several years left.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: This is interesting. Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles

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Speaker 4: Larry Bird's back broke down. He retired early, Magic Johnson, HIV.

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Speaker 4: Now we're seeing on into his forties and hearing Steph

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Speaker 4: Curry could play into his forties. This is great for basketball.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys

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Speaker 1: Number jose Reis played for the Mets, and he was

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Speaker 3: He is aging now.

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Speaker 1: So I think the more power, the more torque, the

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Speaker 1: think Curry is more of a finesse player and a shooter.

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Speaker 4: But then Lebron like, what's the argument against him? I

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Speaker 1: I mean he's lower the record. Let me just say

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Speaker 1: James has never been a great rebounder. He doesn't want

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Speaker 3: He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't want to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want

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Speaker 4: Sounds like my game, Collin. Let's stick in the NBA

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Speaker 4: big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have parted

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Speaker 4: ways with team president messaiu JII after thirteen seasons with

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Speaker 4: the team brought them their loan title. This guy has

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Speaker 4: beloved in media circles. Colin, You could read any article

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Speaker 4: from NBA people who listen to a podcast. Nobody says

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Speaker 4: That being said, he did make the gamble. Bring on

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Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto a title. But it is

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Speaker 4: interesting that they fire him after the draft.

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Speaker 3: That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they

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Speaker 1: in sports and we were all like, what was then?

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Speaker 1: You're bringing new people before the draft and you're not organized.

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so if you were drafted by the Raptors.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.

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Speaker 2: That ain't great.

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Speaker 1: No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously

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Speaker 1: a very competent human being. You may want to move

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Speaker 1: least disruptive period. What is the least disrupted period in

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Speaker 4: Well, now you got you got two a week before

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Speaker 4: free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they

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Speaker 4: were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis

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Speaker 4: rid of it now. Zach Here, a producer, is a

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Speaker 4: big Lakers guy, and he's saying, why why wouldn't the

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Speaker 4: Lakers go after a Messiah Zieri who's done some really

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Speaker 4: good things in Toronto? Find a wayle Lowry DeRozan all

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blame that GM for not landing players

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Speaker 1: NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and it disbanded.

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Speaker 4: You think the Lakers should make a play for him

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Speaker 4: you can fire him now, but could you maybe give

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Speaker 3: All I know is Mark Walters.

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Speaker 1: The first big move he made with the Dodgers, was

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Speaker 4: Final story con is onto the NFL for a couple

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Speaker 4: Week one. According to CBS, these are the top five

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Speaker 4: Brian Dable number one. The hottest seat kind.

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Speaker 1: Of means Stichen what I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are tying him to

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Speaker 4: Is that Psichen's fault?

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Speaker 1: Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor, okay, fine, Sean McDermott

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you

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Speaker 3: Well, iray, it's.

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Speaker 1: The way they lost with those they looked at disorganized

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Speaker 4: I think you got to have Zach Taylor one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid's and then they got Mahomes and suddenly you

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Speaker 1: loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.

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Speaker 1: I don't think many coaches in the league are great

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Speaker 1: with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News, well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by heard line. You know, I've said this

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Speaker 1: about the NBA Draft. I'm not gonna have I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to come in too hot, high or low. It's

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Speaker 1: very much outside of two or three players, it's a

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Speaker 1: projection draft.

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Speaker 3: These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.

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Speaker 1: The story that really disappointed me, and I led my

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Speaker 1: show with it today is the Ace Bailey situation where

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Speaker 1: it's like where the adults like, he's got an agent

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Speaker 1: that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought

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Speaker 1: he was a little tone deaf on his sort of

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Speaker 1: reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that

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Speaker 1: his agent or he told one of the top five

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Speaker 1: teams I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up

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Speaker 1: in Utah. He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid.

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Speaker 1: It's not him. But I talked about this to start

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Speaker 1: the show. There are lots of people in America when

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Speaker 1: you're girls mature faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,

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Speaker 1: they need guidance. I feel like with Ace I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where are the adults helping you? He's already got a

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Speaker 1: strike against him now, as Draymond Green talked about, where

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Speaker 1: are the adults helping this kid?

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Speaker 3: Because he is talented, many.

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Speaker 1: People argue he's the second best player in the draft

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Speaker 1: and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider Stadium

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Speaker 1: co founder field with sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid.

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Speaker 1: He's not a bad kid. He's getting bad advice. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about this before. Is in my life,

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Speaker 1: I had a great step dad, I had strong people

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Speaker 1: around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,

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Speaker 1: and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is

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Speaker 1: it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?

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Speaker 7: Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,

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Speaker 7: you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got

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Speaker 7: this world of nil and a ton of money on

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Speaker 7: the table even.

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Speaker 8: Before you get to the NBA Draft.

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Speaker 7: So you've got to pick an agent now, and a

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Speaker 7: lot of these are low level agents right now that

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Speaker 7: are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't

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Speaker 7: the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's

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Speaker 7: a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.

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Speaker 7: He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.

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Speaker 8: Colin.

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Speaker 7: I caught Win before the season that they were asking

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Speaker 7: for money for interviews, which I've been doing this twenty

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Speaker 7: five years, right, twenty five years. I've never had anybody

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Speaker 7: ask me for money. So I was kind of intrigued.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, I'm not calling this dude, Mark Cooper.

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Speaker 7: Let's find out what's going on. So I called him

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Speaker 7: and played dumb. He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey,

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Speaker 7: you know, get him on our network.

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Speaker 8: Make him look good.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's what I do, like try to loosen

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Speaker 7: these kids up, show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're

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Speaker 7: not doing it unless you pay. And I'm like, no, no, dude,

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Speaker 7: I'm not paying. I'm not paying to do an interview

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Speaker 7: with a kid. I'm going to help the kid, give

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Speaker 7: him a platform, make him look good.

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Speaker 8: He said, well, you're making money off these kids.

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Speaker 7: I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars

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Speaker 7: that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's going to be on YouTube.

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Speaker 7: Go get a big mac with it, because I'm not

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Speaker 7: making any money off Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview.

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Speaker 7: So that was the first red flag. And obviously we've

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Speaker 7: seen him since now. I will say this talking to

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Speaker 7: a ton of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers,

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Speaker 7: whether it was back in Georgia, he is a good

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Speaker 7: kid who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is

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Speaker 7: he immature, Absolutely, most of us were at that age.

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Speaker 7: But again, the biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily,

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Speaker 7: it's his representation.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a kid, I think. And again I

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Speaker 1: don't want to come in hot because in the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: I've seen these kids for four years. I will put

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Speaker 1: my stand on Jaden Daniels and go that's good or

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Speaker 1: bow Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I followed college basketball.

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Speaker 1: At college football, I do think Carter Bryant.

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Speaker 3: I watch Arizona play.

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Speaker 1: I thought, if you told me there was a guy

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Speaker 1: that went like lower mid first that hit, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's that kid. So, by the way, you can rip

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Speaker 1: me apart here. But I watch Arizona probably six seven

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Speaker 1: times a year. I watched the tournament. I watched him

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Speaker 1: and thought, I don't know if he'll be a great

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Speaker 1: NBA score That dude in San Antonio is going to

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Speaker 1: be a baller? What do you make of him?

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Speaker 8: It's what I love about you, first of all, and

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Speaker 8: I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act like

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Speaker 8: you know everything about everything right, unlike some other people

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Speaker 8: at networks. We were app before. But you're right about

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Speaker 8: Carter Bryant.

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Speaker 7: He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball

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Speaker 7: and defend at a high level. And he's got length

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Speaker 7: and size. Yeah, and he's just scratching the surface of.

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Speaker 8: What he's going to be.

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Speaker 7: The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,

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Speaker 7: not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else.

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Speaker 8: Is he going to come out of the.

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Speaker 7: Gates and be able to make shots because they don't

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Speaker 7: have great floor spacing in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper,

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Speaker 7: Ace Failey's teammate at Rutgers, by the way, both picked

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Speaker 7: in the top five they didn't make the NCAA tournament

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Speaker 7: this past year. Is not a great shooter. He's a

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Speaker 7: poor man's Kate Cunning is really what he is. Steph Castle,

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Speaker 7: the rookie of the year. Not a great shooter, Big

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Speaker 7: Tom Avableete, big strong, Daron Fox.

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Speaker 8: We know he's a blur. Probably the fastest.

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Speaker 7: Point guard in the NBA right now other than is Smid,

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Speaker 7: but again, not.

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Speaker 8: A great shooter.

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Speaker 7: So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,

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Speaker 7: because he is a guy that eventually will be able

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Speaker 7: to space the floor.

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Speaker 8: Will he be able to do it right away?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion

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Speaker 1: on this. So I've been on this now for about

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Speaker 1: six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamack

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Speaker 1: and I talk about this. There was a time in

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Speaker 1: my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It

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Speaker 1: was the Big East. It was Patino, Carlisimo, John Thompson.

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Speaker 1: I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back

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Speaker 1: twelve basketball, the Big East, Big Big East Monday. And

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Speaker 1: I love the NBA as well. But there and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the G League is created. I have

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Speaker 1: never been a fan. I think the coaching is better,

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Speaker 1: I think the environments are better in college. I want

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Speaker 1: kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL

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Speaker 1: has you got to go to college for three years,

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Speaker 1: take classes, hang out with non athletes.

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Speaker 3: The coaching is hard. I don't like the G League.

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Speaker 1: So when we got to the finals this year, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: it was the Pacers, O case thunder, is.

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Speaker 3: Any G League guys.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of guys who have been in

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Speaker 1: college basketball for two, three and four years.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: So I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: is really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon

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Speaker 1: team two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could

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Speaker 1: compete against UNLV and Larry Johnson.

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Speaker 3: That is a real team.

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Speaker 1: So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL

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Speaker 1: is say college basketball. In my argument, this is a

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Speaker 1: long question. This is the first draft. This is the

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Speaker 1: first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,

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Speaker 1: easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.

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Speaker 1: This is the first draft for the next however, long

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Speaker 1: like the old drafts where I've seen the players play.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.

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Speaker 8: That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,

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Speaker 8: what was it? When you and I were young, it was.

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Speaker 7: Like, unless you're a top five to ten pick, you're

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Speaker 7: going back to school. Then it became unless you're a

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Speaker 7: lottery pick, you're going back to school.

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Speaker 8: Then it became first rounder.

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Speaker 7: Then it started to become you know what, even if

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Speaker 7: you can get a guaranteed deal in the second round,

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Speaker 7: a lot of those guys were gone. Now the biggest

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Speaker 7: difference coling is these kids that are that are twenty

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Speaker 7: five to forty five, are undrafted or second rounders. They

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Speaker 7: can make two, three million dollars, even four million dollars

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Speaker 7: right now. Now, again, this might be a one off

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Speaker 7: type ee. I think those numbers will dip a little bit,

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Speaker 7: but it was rare to have a kid like think

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Speaker 7: about yassel Land of Bird's a kid who transferred from UAB.

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Speaker 8: He's going to Michigan next year. Probably would have been.

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Speaker 7: Drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and

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Speaker 7: instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get

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Speaker 7: a guaranteed first round draft.

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Speaker 8: Pick, you know he did. He went to.

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Speaker 7: Michigan and he's going to get a guaranteed three million

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Speaker 7: plus at Michigan.

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Speaker 8: So you're right.

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Speaker 7: It's changing the game to whereas these guys that aren't

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Speaker 7: guaranteed lottery picks, they're saying to themselves, I can make

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Speaker 7: more money going.

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Speaker 8: Back to college.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game?

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Speaker 3: Jeff Goodman.

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Speaker 8: I wish I had one. I had one going into

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Speaker 8: the year.

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Speaker 7: In fact, I was like, I don't think he's a guy.

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Speaker 8: You can build your Francesse around. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 8: think he could be a number one. And I'd seen

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Speaker 8: him fifty times.

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Speaker 7: AAU ball going into Duke, and I didn't think it

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Speaker 7: was a great shooter.

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Speaker 8: I thought his handle was loose.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.

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Speaker 7: But after watching him this past season at Duke do

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Speaker 7: what he did, I'm convinced he will be a top

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Speaker 7: ten player in the NBA within five years, could be

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Speaker 7: a top five player. I would be shocked if he's

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Speaker 7: not a top ten player. Shot he's got.

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Speaker 8: I've been doing this twenty five years.

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Speaker 7: There's no player I have seen coming out of college

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Speaker 7: that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 7: That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 7: that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.

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Speaker 7: But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's

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Speaker 7: more well rounded than Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: That's an awesome take, you know, it's I said this

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Speaker 1: as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 3: I do. I wish it was more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: I say, Cooper Flag is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum

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Speaker 1: at Duke where it's like, give me the ball, get

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Speaker 1: out of here. I read a story about Kaitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 1: Christine Brennan has a book on Kaitlyn Clark. Caitlyn Clark

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Speaker 1: when she was like seventh grade, trailed by eleven points

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Speaker 1: with a minute seven seconds left, she went in a

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Speaker 1: thirteen to nothing run and didn't pass the ball.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I.

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Speaker 1: Want Jason Tatum to have just a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1: But uh, Jeff Goodman, his stuff is a field of

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Speaker 1: sixty eight college basketball network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff.

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Speaker 1: Loved your takes Man, Great SENI.

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Speaker 8: You love you call him great Senior too.

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Speaker 3: Yep. We called him late today.

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate that when we call somebody late and

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Speaker 1: they have time for us. But he thinks he can

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Speaker 1: be And I love Jeff. What he's saying is, I

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Speaker 1: didn't think he was that good this year, and then

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Speaker 1: he improved. Young people make massive jumps, like like seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old to nineteen year old. I mean, once you're

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Speaker 1: forty five in life, maybe you'd stop smoking or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you don't make me. What you

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Speaker 1: even if you go on to diet neat better, it

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Speaker 1: lasts like eighteen months and then you go back to

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Speaker 1: Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch. Like, I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest about it. At this point, I'm not changing.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get me to get a haircut, like

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just not changing. This is what you

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Speaker 1: get and it's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: But there's no more changes. I'm done changing.

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Speaker 1: Cold plunge, not interested pickleball league. Talk to somebody else

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Speaker 1: not doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's the hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: So, Paige Becker's a rookie in the WNBA, great player

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Speaker 1: Yukon really really gonna be a multiple time All Star

682
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Speaker 1: in the league eventually, And she said the treatment of

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and the scrutiny is inhumane. And my take is, no,

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Speaker 1: this is the privilege of being relevant, and the WNBA

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Speaker 1: before last year it was not a relevant league. It

686
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Speaker 1: just wasn't talked about on local or national talk shows

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Speaker 1: anywhere any network. And now it is. And that's sometimes

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Speaker 1: the way it works. So Tiger Woods, we talked a

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Speaker 1: lot more golf with Tiger than without. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at Caitlin Clark's impact whither this year they have

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Speaker 1: a winning record and they average about ninety a game.

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Speaker 1: Without her, they average about seventy half, seventy five, seventy

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Speaker 1: six points a game. So she's Jokic, She's the difference

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Speaker 1: between winning and losing. She's Steph Curry. But this whole

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Speaker 1: thing about the criticism of her three point shooting slump

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Speaker 1: is in humane. Might take his magic. Johnson was already

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Speaker 1: a two time champ and a finals MVP. He had

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Speaker 1: a bad game game in the eighty four finals and

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Speaker 1: he got the nickname Tragic Johnson. Okay, Steph Curry was

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Speaker 1: already a unanimous MVP. Because andre Igwoodala won a finals MVP,

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Speaker 1: he was suddenly labeled system player overrated. That's the price

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Speaker 1: of relevance. So the w NBA literally flew commercial airlines

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Speaker 1: like you and me I mean, you could literally jump

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Speaker 1: on a plane out of Vegas and you're sitting next

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Speaker 1: to Asia Wilson, and then Caitlin Clark arrived and they

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Speaker 1: fly private, which is in itself pretty cool privilege. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's not guaranteed for all leagues, But this is the

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Speaker 1: price of it. It's not inhumane, it's the reality is

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Speaker 1: that more eyeballs, bigger opinions, more opinions, and now people

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Speaker 1: look at Caitlin Clark's.

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Speaker 3: Game and now that you even.

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Speaker 1: Can pick it apart a little, here's Rick Patino this week.

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Speaker 9: She's a great passer. She reminds me of Steph Curry

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Speaker 9: when Steph Curry came into the league. She's doing what

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Speaker 9: step did early on. She has unbelievable range, she has

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Speaker 9: great visions, She's a terrific passa.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's.

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Speaker 9: Physically a little weak, but that's that's she'll she'll get

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Speaker 9: stronger as time goes on. But she really understands how

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Speaker 9: to play. And she reminds me of a female version

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Speaker 9: of Steph Curry. Incredible range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: But this is just you know, like if you're a

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Speaker 1: politician and you get blasted, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: You're getting discussed right.

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Speaker 1: Like, if you go look at people that start businesses

727
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Speaker 1: in this country, the one thing most of them want

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Speaker 1: is marketing. They're dying even if it's negative. You know,

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Speaker 1: talk about us, Please, somebody write about us. We'd like

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Speaker 1: it to be positive, but we need name recognition. So

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Speaker 1: she's gonna be just fine. I talked about this earlier.

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Speaker 1: There's a story out that the Cowboys are gonna sign

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons to a historically big deal. I like Micah

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Speaker 1: Parsons a lot. I don't think he's nearly as good

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Speaker 1: as Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Hendrickson, Aiden Hushison, and as

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Speaker 1: a rookie, Jared Verse came in and was better and

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Speaker 1: is stronger. So I said earlier, I believe that in

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Speaker 1: the NFL the secret is paying for offense and drafting

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Speaker 1: defense and keeping it very young because defensive players get

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Speaker 1: hurt more often, more regularly. There's five NFL defensive players

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Speaker 1: I would pay whatever it takes, and that is Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 1: Jared Vers, eventually, Max Crosby, Patrick Sartan, and Chris Jones.

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Speaker 1: Now Hendrickson for the Bengals is three years older than

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby, and he's sort of so so against the run.

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Speaker 1: So he's close. Will Anderson's very close. Sauce Gardner a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, maybe, but he feels like he's

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Speaker 1: gone backwards J Mack. But Chris Jones is the rare

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Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman. I think Jalen Carter's probably number six

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Speaker 1: for me. I'd like maturity scares me a little, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But if you talk about great interior defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: everybody says Reggie White, Aaron Donald. Why because there's very

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Speaker 1: few game changing interior defensive lineman. Chris Jones although he's thirty,

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Speaker 1: that's old for an interior d lineman. Chris Jones is

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Speaker 1: getting into that territory. Is he gonna go top three

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Speaker 1: or four all time? I think Edge Rusher's well, I

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Speaker 1: mean they're say to yourself, I mean there, think about

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Speaker 1: the great journey.

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Speaker 4: Not only is he thirty, Colin, he's starting thirty one

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Speaker 4: on July third, So are you sure you would pay

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Speaker 4: him now?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: I mean you keep bagging on other guys who are

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Speaker 4: thirty TJ. Watt and these guys Chris Jones about to

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Speaker 4: be thirty.

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Speaker 1: One next week he's PFF's number one.

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Speaker 3: So he was last year.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he's gonna be next year.

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Speaker 3: I like him.

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Speaker 4: I would take eighty hunches and over him going forward.

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Speaker 4: Obviously not for what they've done in the pat.

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Speaker 1: Heat, but he's edge. Yeah, there's more. There's more edges

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 4: Let me toss a random name out to you. He's

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Speaker 4: not that random. Kyle Hamill the safety of the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: I know safety is not a premium position. Let me

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Speaker 4: make the quick argument. He's the only player in the

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Speaker 4: NFL to rank in the according to PFF and the

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Speaker 4: highest great top eighty five percent against the run and pass.

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Speaker 4: He can come up in the box and stuff you.

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Speaker 4: He could guard your tight ends. Remembery he famously did well.

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Speaker 3: He's great football.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he reads the game in the backfield like

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Speaker 4: he's awesome. I think he's got to be at least

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Speaker 4: top seven.

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Speaker 3: He's great. I mean it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Ed Reid's the best safety I've ever seen play. Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton is grading out like an Ed Reader or Ronnie Lott.

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Speaker 3: Like he's just good at everything.

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Speaker 4: He's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Chris Jones, three straight All pros, has shown

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Speaker 1: no signs of aggression, still dominant and unblockable. And and

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Speaker 1: he also he'll move outside or play inside. He is

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Speaker 1: j Jalen Carter's not moving outside. So but those are

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Speaker 1: the five guys I would pay. And again it's close.

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Speaker 1: I mean the other day, I remember I did the

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Speaker 1: seven untradeable athletes. I'm not saying I'd want to trade Wemby,

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Speaker 1: but I you could not trade Jaden Daniels. Now, if

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels had a really serious injury and miss half

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Speaker 1: the season like Wemby.

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Speaker 3: Then he doesn't make my list.

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Speaker 4: Well time out. A blood clot is not a technically

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Speaker 4: an injury. It's not like I think it's a It's

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Speaker 4: a medical condition, you know, very strange and random.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I I had a blood clot. I'm still to

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Speaker 1: this day, I wear different socks when I fly. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's there. There's so well I can't. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: blood clot.

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Speaker 3: Is not minor.

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Speaker 1: I'm never having on blood.

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Speaker 3: No, No, they're they're not. That's not minor.

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Speaker 1: Like a blood clot, Chris Bosh, blood clot is a

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Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism is not minor. It's screws your body up

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Speaker 1: for six months, so it's not just it's not your

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Speaker 1: it's not an ACL, but it's it's not minor.

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Speaker 4: Well this, I'll buy Wemby's stock since he's not one

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Speaker 4: of your top seven, and watch him be like runner

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Speaker 4: up for MVP next year or something crazy in the NBA. Whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 4: whoa that good. You'd be surprised runner up for m VP,

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Speaker 4: I mean in the top three.

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Speaker 1: Well, m VP is a media vote, so you know

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Speaker 1: fake news.

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Speaker 2: You know, probably end.

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Speaker 4: Up fake news.

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Speaker 3: Okay, pressing, I just.

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Speaker 1: Like saying that whenever I'm jammed up, I just fake news.

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Speaker 3: Doing a cold plunge either.

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Speaker 1: All right, hour three on a Friday,