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Speaker 1: Friday morning podcast Lucky Today. Mark Cuban you know him

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Speaker 1: as the Shark Tank investor and the owner of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks and the potential presidential candidate. Mark comes on

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Speaker 1: the show two or three times a year. Feel Lucky, Smart, thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: Mark has been much more political in the last several years,

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Speaker 1: which I'm a huge fan of. When you're rich and

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Speaker 1: you're a billionaire, you've got time to do. You know

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Speaker 1: the Bill Gates thing, You read a lot, you talk about,

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Speaker 1: you talk about big issues, and I think Mark Cuban's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that's fascinating. I frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump opened the door for celebrities to run for president,

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Speaker 1: and I would be a huge fan of Mark Cuban.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to agree with every candidate on every issue.

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Speaker 1: I really don't. That's not how I think. I'm an independent.

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Speaker 1: I go left socially fiscally right. But I think Cuban

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Speaker 1: would be a fascinating candidate if you put himself out

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Speaker 1: in the fray. And he is joining us now on

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Speaker 1: Friday for the volume Colin Cowherd Podcast. So, Mark, I

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot of times about different stuff, and

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Speaker 1: we talk sports in business and I'm I'm a guy

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Speaker 1: that's fascinated with business, and you know a lot more

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Speaker 1: of it than I do. And you always respond to

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Speaker 1: you play kate me when I email you with my

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Speaker 1: stupid questions. I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw this at

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Speaker 1: you that I'm a big fan of mobility. It's the

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Speaker 1: only reason I've had success in my life. I have

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Speaker 1: moved for commerce the NBA. I am a huge proponent

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Speaker 1: of player mobility. I support all players with mobility. Owners

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Speaker 1: can move franchises, GM's coaches move players can too. But

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Speaker 1: yet you and Dirk we're together twenty one years. It's

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Speaker 1: the greatest longest relationship for any player and a team.

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Speaker 1: Could I make the argument that player mobility, which there's

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Speaker 1: thing for your sport. It's great for the summertime, ratings.

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Speaker 1: It's more difficult during the season, There's no question about it,

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Speaker 1: because you know, continuity, corporate knowledge is always a good

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Speaker 1: thing for a team. So there's definitely challenges there and

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Speaker 1: it creates a lot of adjita as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you have a great player, every team stress is

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Speaker 1: about and fan base stress is about, you know, will

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Speaker 1: you lose them? And so, you know, the minute you

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Speaker 1: find out somebody's great, you start working really hard to

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Speaker 1: make them successful. Do you use Dirk's career at all

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Speaker 1: things is I don't think I fully appreciated Dirk while

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Speaker 1: And in terms of you know, keeping Luca for the

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Speaker 1: From the outside, mark they look like different I'll just

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. They look like different people. Luca's a little feisty,

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Speaker 1: it right. You guys have always been the progressive league.

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Speaker 1: it's all digital. They value digital items more than anything.

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Speaker 1: And the idea of valuing a digital video that can

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Speaker 1: be tokenized and put on a smart contract on the blockchain,

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Speaker 1: which makes it unique, well, that gives them the sense

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Speaker 1: of ownership and allows it to be bought and sold.

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Speaker 1: But what really makes it special. If I were to

429
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Speaker 1: go sell it, it will never happen. My John Brisker,

430
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Speaker 1: I have to get it graded, then I have to

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Speaker 1: package it into a case, right then I have to

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Speaker 1: ship it. Maybe I find a buyer on eBay, then

433
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Speaker 1: I have to hope they get it right. Then I

434
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Speaker 1: have to hope I get paid and everything works out.

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Speaker 1: And the digitized version of this, let's just say there's

436
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Speaker 1: a top Shots John Brisker video moment of him Duncan

437
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Speaker 1: on David Thompson. And so if I want to buy

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Speaker 1: or sell it, I go into the marketplace on top

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Speaker 1: Shots and it takes two seconds and it's done. And

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Speaker 1: because there's a marketplace there, I can walk in at

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Speaker 1: any time and see the actual value. I can list it,

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Speaker 1: anybody can buy it, and so all the hassles of

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Speaker 1: dealing with physical goods are gone when you deal with

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Speaker 1: the digital version. And the only bridged across is that

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Speaker 1: sense of ownership that people are used to having with

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Speaker 1: physical cards and collectibles. But for young kids, that was

447
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Speaker 1: never there. Right, It's more like my son, I don't

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Speaker 1: have to convince them that top Shots have value. I

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Speaker 1: have to convince them that dealing with baseball cards and

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Speaker 1: basketball cards has value because it's a hassle. He just

451
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Speaker 1: brings it up on his browser on his PC, and

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Speaker 1: it's easy. He can deal with it for as long

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Speaker 1: as shore as he wants. Having to make him clean

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Speaker 1: up his cards and deal with them and then go

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Speaker 1: on eBay or wherever to find the value and to

456
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Speaker 1: mark them and to case them. That's way too much hassle.

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Speaker 1: That's great, Mark Cuban joining us. So I've been investing

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Speaker 1: in the market. Speaking of the marketplace, I've been in

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Speaker 1: the market since nineteen eighty nine. My dad was an investor.

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Speaker 1: I dollar cost average. I have a few companies. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm on if it's been since nineteen eighty nine, you

462
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Speaker 1: should be on an island somewhere. No. I actually like working,

463
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Speaker 1: and I've said that I've done well for myself. I

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Speaker 1: love what I do. I'm very fortunate. I defended the

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Speaker 1: retail trader trader, and for those listening kind of the uninitiated,

466
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Speaker 1: here the retail traders, the little guy, it's me and

467
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Speaker 1: then you have yeah. I mean you know, I'm put

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Speaker 1: my dollar cost averaging in every month for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested because though I do feel you've always been

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Speaker 1: one of the rare billionaire voices of the people, you

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Speaker 1: are also a whale. You are also somebody that can

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Speaker 1: move a market with a single comment. The reason I

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Speaker 1: defended the retail trader was not only because I am one,

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Speaker 1: but because I feel the market has been manipulated by

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Speaker 1: the big guys forever. Oh yeah, for sure, some in

476
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Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties. My dad talked about it. So

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Speaker 1: my tip ever since the twenties. So your takeaway on

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Speaker 1: this whole robin hood game stop thing was what so

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Speaker 1: put aside robin hood because that's a different beast in

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Speaker 1: a different issue. But you're right. I mean, look, people

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Speaker 1: argued that all these people on Wall Street bets the

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Speaker 1: small individual trader, and not all of them are small,

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Speaker 1: but the individual trader, they're they're just stupid, right, they

484
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Speaker 1: can't possibly understand what's going on. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at what happens traditionally and in stock markets, you typically

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Speaker 1: have an analyst who works for a big brokerage firm

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Speaker 1: that has millions of customers, and they come out with

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Speaker 1: a buy and a price a price target right here,

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Speaker 1: I think this stock is going to be worth fifty

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Speaker 1: percent more within twelve months, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the stock goes up because all the customers of that

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Speaker 1: brokerage firm bought because the price is below that price target. Right,

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Speaker 1: The exact same thing happens all Wall Street FETs, right,

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Speaker 1: Only instead of it being some formal analysts that works

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Speaker 1: for a huge brokerage firm, it's a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: actually doing the work and digging in and trying to

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Speaker 1: understand stocks and making recommendations at one level, right, are

498
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Speaker 1: those are the people who are trying to trade on

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Speaker 1: fundamentals and everybody else is a momentum trader. Now you

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Speaker 1: have to ask yourself, are there momentum traders in traditional

501
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Speaker 1: Wall Street? Yes, they're called technical traders. They could tell

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Speaker 1: you anything about the stock. All they know is because

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Speaker 1: it's going up, all their numbers are telling them it's

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Speaker 1: probably going to keep on going up some more until

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Speaker 1: it gets into some different treads heads and shoulders, you know,

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Speaker 1: and tails and all this other stuff. Right, And so

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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no difference, you know. It's just that now

508
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: you've got a bunch of small traders working together and

509
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Speaker 1: gaining the leverage of working together, and that gives them,

510
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Speaker 1: in a lot of cases even more leverage and more power.

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Speaker 1: And so today you saw, you know, m game stop

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Speaker 1: go up again? Yeah, you know. And so this isn't

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Speaker 1: about value, This isn't about value. This isn't about fundamentals,

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Speaker 1: because let's let's talk about fundamentals, right, Apple Computer. Up

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Speaker 1: until a couple of years ago, Apple Computer was considered

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Speaker 1: a cyclical stock, and everybody traded at a cyclical stock

517
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Speaker 1: which man and had a price earnies ratio of twelve

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Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, when the stock market itself, the SMP had

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Speaker 1: a price earnies ratio of fifteen sixteen seventeen, and people

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Speaker 1: would say, you shouldn't consider this a cyclical you just

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Speaker 1: should consider this a growth stock. Then all of a

522
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Speaker 1: sudden more people decided it was a growth stock. So

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Speaker 1: then everybody decided it was a growth stock. Nothing changed

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Speaker 1: at Apple, right, It's still the same company doing this thing.

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Speaker 1: It was just a different narrative and narratives buy and hold, right,

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Speaker 1: all these diversification, right, All these different narratives are what

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Speaker 1: they're only. They only exist for one reason, and that's

528
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Speaker 1: the seal stocks. But when the narratives come from the

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Speaker 1: big guys on Wall Street, we consider it value and

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Speaker 1: we consider it fundamentally driven. You know, Here's all you

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Speaker 1: need to know is that the average holding time for

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Speaker 1: a sheriff's stock on the USX changes is less than

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Speaker 1: a minute less than a minute, because most of the

534
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: trading is done digitally and a lot of it's through

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Speaker 1: high frequency trading, and then they're not buying based off

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Speaker 1: of fundamentals. There's no fundamental that changes in less than

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Speaker 1: a minute for a stock. So it's a lot of

538
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: misguided attempts to try to denigrate small traders because these guys,

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Speaker 1: by working together, they have access to all the information

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Speaker 1: everybody else does. Otherwise it's illegal, right, It's all supposed

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Speaker 1: to be public, so they all have access to the

542
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: same information. Now they're just working on a coordinated basis,

543
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Speaker 1: and they're trying to pick off some of the hedge

544
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Speaker 1: funds because they're seeing their vulnerabilities, just like high frequency

545
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Speaker 1: traders have done to small minno traders by front running

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Speaker 1: them by being able to process faster or buy their

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Speaker 1: order flow. How much of your net worth, if I

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Speaker 1: may ask, do you have in the market? You know

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Speaker 1: it's crazy you asked that because it's significant. But I've

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Speaker 1: hedged quite I've I've hedged all of it basically because

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Speaker 1: my attitude always is, you know how much do I need?

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Speaker 1: And when things are going what I feel is too

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Speaker 1: good to be true. Everything's going really really really good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: no one's ever got in trouble for taking a profit,

555
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Speaker 1: and so I've hedged everything. I've got this thing called

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Speaker 1: a tailhage in case the market crash crashes, I've got this.

557
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: I've got these structured products which I buy puts and

558
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: sell calls and kind of protects me but gives me

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Speaker 1: a little wiggle room, you know, on all but about

560
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Speaker 1: five percent of my positions and a lot of those

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Speaker 1: and one of them I finished out my you know,

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Speaker 1: it would have been fifteen percent, but I did one today.

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Speaker 1: How about that? I? Um, yeah, it's just too good

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Speaker 1: right now. When I see the market going up, I

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Speaker 1: will say this. My son is fourteen years old, Mark

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Speaker 1: two years ago. I'm a believer. You get information anywhere

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Speaker 1: you can, right, I've had I've had tweets and emails,

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Speaker 1: and I've created segments on my show. I think they're funny.

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Speaker 1: Two to two and a half years ago, my son

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Speaker 1: talked about a Canadian company called Shopify. I bought it

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Speaker 1: at two hundred. Yeah. I made about six times my money,

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Speaker 1: so right, I've sold most of it. But nonetheless, you

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Speaker 1: got to take information where it comes from, you know.

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Speaker 1: Peter Lynch used to run a huge hedge fund of Fidelity,

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Speaker 1: and he d this book and used to talk about

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Speaker 1: you know what you buy, what you see in the mall,

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Speaker 1: what what is it that impacts your life? And and

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Speaker 1: that's how I explained it to my kids, because I

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Speaker 1: got my eleven year old on robin Hood, my fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old on robin Hood, and you know, you just

581
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Speaker 1: have to explain to me why you want to buy

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Speaker 1: the stock, and I'll buy it for it. And they

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Speaker 1: had like a hundred bucks and so you know, we

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Speaker 1: went through that whole process. And my son by a

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Speaker 1: fractional share of of Sony because he thinks the new

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Speaker 1: Spider Man movie that's coming out it's going to be amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, great, that's all we need to know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other day I told my son about Intel. He goes, Dad,

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Speaker 1: there's a new company, not Intel, It's what all my

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00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: stuff is on my computer. I forget the name of

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Speaker 1: the company. And I'm like, you know what, you're gonna

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00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: be just like Dad, You're gonna love the market. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. That's how I look at it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: all I mean, as long as you don't get greedy,

595
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: right and as long. Too many people just try to

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Speaker 1: wing it, and that's where they get in trouble, whether

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Speaker 1: you're part of Wall Street bets and it's just like

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Speaker 1: you know, like like my son is coming up with

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Speaker 1: these ideas. I'm like, where are you getting these ideas?

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Speaker 1: He's like TikTok and I'm like, that's great, but let's

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Speaker 1: talk about them, right. You don't just buy them because

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00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: you've got five or ten different people talking about a

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Speaker 1: stock on TikTok. All right, Mark, we play rapid fire around.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you ten quick questions. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: The worst investor on shark Tank is Kevin How did

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Speaker 1: I know? That? Was your answer? Easy. The company that

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00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: makes you jealous because you wish you thought of it

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Speaker 1: is UM. That's a comfy that. The most successful deal

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Speaker 1: on Shark Tank Um. If Mark Cuban ran for president,

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Speaker 1: you're running mate for VP would be Collie Barbara Corcoran.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I ever give anything serious thought.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. Uh. The NBA owner you admire the most

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Speaker 1: is um Herb Simon, Indiana. Yeah. Herb's just got a

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Speaker 1: heart of gold, and you know he just he he's

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Speaker 1: been around, you know, a lot longer than me, and

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Speaker 1: he keeps on learning and he just wants to win,

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Speaker 1: and he's just just a good soul. The top shot,

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Speaker 1: highlight pastor present you'd buy for a million dollars is

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Speaker 1: Luca beating the Clippers. That's nice. The player you would

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Speaker 1: add to your roster and you wouldn't have to give

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Speaker 1: up anything and you wouldn't get in any trouble for

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Speaker 1: answering this question would be um Dirk Davitski because I

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Speaker 1: would get answering that question. You know, it's funny. Before

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Speaker 1: we let you go, I said this the other day.

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, the NBA boxing international soccer, they

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Speaker 1: celebrate a little bit when a player has an ego

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Speaker 1: into personality. In the NFL, they're very rigid and in

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Speaker 1: recent weeks to Shaun Watson Russell Wilson have voiced strong opinions.

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Speaker 1: And to watch the NFL freak out, I just roll

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Speaker 1: my eyes at is there anything the NFL does You

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Speaker 1: ever think that's a good idea? And is there anything

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Speaker 1: the NFL does and you ever think, oh lord, they

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Speaker 1: gotta get over it. I think the NFL for their

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl does a really, really good job of you know,

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Speaker 1: getting the commercials and making it an event, and you know,

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