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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane. Along

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Speaker 1: with Jonathan Farrell and Lisa Abramowitz. Daily we bring you

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Speaker 1: and of course on the Bloomberg terminal. We will stomp

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Speaker 1: down the equity market in the day, trading and the

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Speaker 1: churning and such and talk about results. He is far

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Speaker 1: too shy to talk about his results. They're out in

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Speaker 1: little percentile analysis by Morgan Stanley. But the answer is

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Speaker 1: the M S I f US Core portfolio is on

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Speaker 1: the edge of act of God. Andrew Slimmon joins us

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Speaker 1: to this morning to speak gospel. He's senior portfolio manager

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Speaker 1: managing director at the ninety three and nine percentile for folio.

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Speaker 1: Of the duration it matters, Andrew, your idea of short

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Speaker 1: term is three years. For those who can't get out there,

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Speaker 1: how do they get the courage to invest forgetting about

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Speaker 1: one week or one year action and say I want

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Speaker 1: to invest for three years so I can get a

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Speaker 1: ninety three percentile, Like Andrew Slimon, Well, I mean looking

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Speaker 1: from a market standpoint, when the markets down tent uh,

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Speaker 1: you look out three years, the returns are phenomenal. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what people are missing when people say recession.

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Speaker 1: Now recession, I said, markets down twenty percent, We've built

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Speaker 1: in a lot of bad news here, and then from

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Speaker 1: you know, getting to a high percentile. When the markets

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Speaker 1: downcent you can't go buy defensive stocks. You have to

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Speaker 1: start looking for good quality companies that are down more

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Speaker 1: than that. And I just think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of companies down forty fifty sixty percent and that's embedded

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad news into their into their sock price.

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Speaker 1: Nobody from Morgan sent is watching this morning, Andrew, give

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Speaker 1: me some names. Well, I think the consumer discution. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at University of Michigan. Consumer sentiment is at a

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Speaker 1: forty four year low. You all have to think about

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Speaker 1: which is the direction of change. And at that level,

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Speaker 1: it's so bad that eventually it's going to improve. And

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Speaker 1: I think gas prices coming down, optimism is going to improve.

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Speaker 1: And when I think about what is where are stocks

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Speaker 1: reflecting that very low sentiment, it's in the consumer area, home,

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Speaker 1: And usually when I mentioned socks like that, people tell

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Speaker 1: me all the reason why they're down already by that amount.

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Speaker 1: And I think you just have to think things could

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Speaker 1: get better from here. It's they priced in a lot

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Speaker 1: of bad news, so you have to think things could

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Speaker 1: get better from here. But isn't the conversation we're having

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Speaker 1: on the economic growth front. Things are going to get worse,

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Speaker 1: that we're going too slow as the FED tights room,

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Speaker 1: no question, no question. Look, and at the market level,

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Speaker 1: the market there's a battle going on. On the one hand,

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Speaker 1: the bar was so low going into this earning season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Kayley, how many how many strategies have

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Speaker 1: be lower. I mean everyone expected a bad earning season,

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Speaker 1: so the setup was deliciously wonderful for you know, beating

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Speaker 1: a low bar. That's a good news. The bad news

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Speaker 1: that for that reason. But when you start to search

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Speaker 1: for stocks, which is what I do, there are a

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Speaker 1: you talk about how everyone's expectation seems to be that

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Speaker 1: So look number one is there's really no evidence that

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Speaker 1: you know, Ages, Grace Further, et cetera. Do we need that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I still think the market will be substantially higher by

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Speaker 1: I think what's what's changed is that everyone thinks earnings

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Speaker 1: song's gonna ask him and could be anythick Andrew Slim

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Speaker 1: in their Morgan Standing Investment Management, Andrew, thank you. Lorena.

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Speaker 1: really different outlook. And what we haven't talked about this morning,

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Speaker 1: Lorena is a labor market, and I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about all the gloom that's out there amid three point

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Speaker 1: the doom and gloom on recession is a little bit exaggerated.

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Speaker 1: Where is that persistency of good news and labor now?

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Speaker 1: we talk ourselves into a recession. But for a moment,

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