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Speaker 1: All right, here we go with a week three edition

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Speaker 1: between the Horns, presented about your Southern California toyo to dealers.

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Speaker 1: I'm JB. Long with DeMarco Farr and Maurice Jones. Drew

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Speaker 1: it rained today in Los Angeles. Don't know what to

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Speaker 1: make of that, but looking forward to figuring out what

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Speaker 1: we make of this matchup, a divisional round rematch with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, a pair of undefeated teams.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, hey man happy? Yes, Tony, Tony, Tony

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Speaker 2: was dead wrong. It does rain in southern California.

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Speaker 3: It does rain, then, I feel like I mean, as

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Speaker 3: I was pulling in to the facility, it was a

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Speaker 3: little humid outside, so maybe it's getting this prepared for

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Speaker 1: The Happy Happy reminded me, Happy birthday, Kevin Dotson.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, you get to clash with Jalen Carter

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Speaker 2: Absolutely what a birthday present. Yes, you get one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest bears in the league right in front.

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Speaker 3: He just went against one last week. Like it gets

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Speaker 3: any easier?

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Speaker 2: This is true?

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Speaker 1: Yes, what else is going on?

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Speaker 2: Not just getting ready for Philly? Man, I'm geeked. We

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Speaker 2: follow the same ethos. Right, if you beat me in

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Speaker 2: a fight, you're gonna have to fight me every single day.

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Speaker 2: I am so glad this team gets to go back

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Speaker 2: to Philly where it ended last season, where you get

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Speaker 2: to pick up right where you left off. And let's see,

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Speaker 2: it's not snowing, it's not at night. It's different. We

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Speaker 2: get the rollover half some of megs and go play football.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait for this matchup in Philly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you always want to go in as

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Speaker 3: healthy as possible, right, so you're gonna go in a

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Speaker 3: little banged up. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I think learning a lot from what we saw last

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Speaker 3: week against the Titans. About the Rams, I'm excited but

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Speaker 3: And then in that atmosphere, right, you've already been there

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Speaker 3: in the playoff atmosphere. You know those Philly fans are

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Speaker 3: gonna be ready to go. Philadelphia has already played two

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Speaker 3: tough games, one against the Cowboys, one against the Chiefs,

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Speaker 3: so they're they're battle tested. But this is a great

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Speaker 3: early a great early opponent to kind of see where

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Speaker 3: you are now. I will say this, I was on

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Speaker 3: the flight today coming down this morning and ran into

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Speaker 3: and they're like, oh man, we're so happy we have

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Speaker 3: the easiest schedule. Look, you guys got to go play

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Speaker 3: Philly this week and we got to play the Saints

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Speaker 3: last week. And I was like, you're happy about playing

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Speaker 3: weak people? No disrespect to the Saints, because the Saints

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Speaker 3: are doing an awesome job battling back. But I want

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Speaker 3: to be I don't ever want to go into a

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Speaker 3: season like not being able to test my my off

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Speaker 2: Oh I want final Boss every weekend. Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 2: Like why do I want something easy?

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Speaker 3: Because then, like I rather know that if I if

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Speaker 3: whoever we play later down the road, we're comfortable because

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Speaker 3: we've already we kind of already tangled a little bit.

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Speaker 3: If you've never tangled with the Eagles and you got

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Speaker 3: to see them in in Philly and the snow, and

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Speaker 3: it's like it's a different deal. So uh to me,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm excited. I think the Rams are excited,

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Speaker 1: What level of the video game. Have the Rams been

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Speaker 1: playing so far with wins over Houston and Tennessee winless

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Speaker 1: each in their own right, albeit because they played the Rams.

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Speaker 1: But you know how many what conclusions are you willing

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Speaker 2: You ever played Galagha. You're at the challenging stage, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. You've gone through the first two

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Speaker 2: levels and now you're going up a notch, So this

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Speaker 2: is going to be different. You should be excited. I

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Speaker 2: think we're all excited for the same thing. I think

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Speaker 2: the offense is starting to get on track. Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: as advertised, and this defense I can't go I can't

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for cam Ward, if it wasn't for

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Speaker 2: some points, various points in that game, that defense was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying this. I think Houston is a

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Speaker 3: bouncing back and make a runout. Even though their offensive

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Speaker 3: They were getting after Tampa, and Tampa made some plays

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Speaker 3: it goes with Tennessee. You took care of business. You

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Speaker 3: beat Tennessee the way you were supposed to. But when

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Speaker 3: you look at you, when you look at Philly, all

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Speaker 3: the moves that we made this off season was for them, period,

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Speaker 3: point blank, point a forward. Guess what glad to have you?

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Speaker 3: Here we go, right, Nate Lammond, guess what glad to

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Speaker 3: have you? Awesome job against Houston. Guess what here you go?

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Speaker 3: Hear me? Right? So these are it's a good opportunity

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Speaker 3: to see and again I think the NFL is based

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Speaker 3: off of each week you have an opportunity to see

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Speaker 3: where you are right. It's you may win some games

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Speaker 3: doesn't justify who you are, and you may lose some

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Speaker 3: made all season moves to stop this particular team's running

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Speaker 3: game and to slow down what they do. We've seen

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Speaker 3: that happened the last couple of weeks. Can you be

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Speaker 3: the third team to slow down this running game and

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Speaker 1: At least one other one that I think ties in directly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not to overreact to one play at the end of

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Speaker 1: but there were some other ones along the way. I

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Speaker 1: that in week three, that's what this is to me.

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Speaker 1: It's a measuring stick week. It's not the final answer.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what this game means to you and what

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Speaker 1: you think it means to the RAMS, But I think

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Speaker 1: more work to do? Surely you have more work to do,

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Speaker 1: get over the top of Philadelphia, great, If you're lacking

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Speaker 1: in some areas, still, well, you have resources between now

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Speaker 1: you can address those needs before you see Philadelphia or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think I think one, offensively, their

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Speaker 3: a big deal, even though they're missing two one hundred

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Speaker 3: it's it's if your defensive line can hold up, right.

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Speaker 3: I think again this you made adjustments to your both

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Speaker 3: I think when you look at this game. And I

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Speaker 3: know to our fans wins and losses matter, but I'm

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Speaker 3: looking more to are these guys built and ready for

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Speaker 3: what's to come? Right, Like this game ahead of us

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Speaker 3: we need to be, right, are we where we need

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Speaker 3: Or is there like what is how are we going

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Speaker 3: Like you said, it's a measuring stake and and that's

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Speaker 3: the best type of game you want because at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, and DeMarco correct me wrong, you

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Speaker 3: guys lost the Tennessee when you won the Superinteme right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's mad too, but it was a measuring stick

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Speaker 2: We were like, we can't play this bad again, that's

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Speaker 2: how and we want to see them, We want to

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Speaker 2: see those guys again, and we did. But I would

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Speaker 2: say this, you guys were on quarters systems in college

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Speaker 1: I was this is like you were you weren't It's

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Speaker 1: I remember what my college was.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, this is like you're a final exam for

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Speaker 2: the first quarter. It really is, and this will set

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Speaker 2: if you beat Philadelphia, you will be catapulted to the

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Speaker 2: top of the NFC. Think about what that would do

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Speaker 2: for this confidence, the confidence of this football team, the

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Speaker 2: confidence of the coaching staff, all the moves they made,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, if it was subconsciously or consciously to

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Speaker 2: get ahead of the Philadelphia Eagles and you go out

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Speaker 2: there and you handle them, I mean, what scares you

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Speaker 2: on the rest of the roster or rest of the schedule. Besides,

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Speaker 2: you know the top of the AFC that you have

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Speaker 2: oh my god, the confidence boost will carry you for

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Speaker 2: the next month and a.

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Speaker 1: Half, and the stakes are bigger. You're playing for a

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Speaker 1: win at their place, all of a sudden, you're in

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Speaker 1: that conversation for continuing for the NFC's number one overall seed,

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Speaker 1: Like this isn't the game that's going to dictate who

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Speaker 1: wins the NFC. But it could play heavily into where

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Speaker 1: those games are contested, right, Yes, it could dictate whether you.

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Speaker 2: Have to go back that stuff matter.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather sleep in my bed than go sleep in

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Speaker 3: our hotel.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but the winner of this game I think is

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Speaker 1: on the short list with Green Bay for sure. And

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Speaker 1: then what other contender you like, Tampa Bay? Are you

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Speaker 3: I think Tampa's always.

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Speaker 1: The winner of Arizona San Francisco this week, Like there's

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Speaker 3: And let me just just pivot for two seconds to

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Speaker 3: three years, Like they're the only team that's consistently beating

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Speaker 1: You also can't rehash last January, but there is some

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Speaker 2: We all heard how quiet they got. And you got

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Speaker 1: And the Hurts was wounded, right, I mean he got

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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't allow that, right, And I think

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Speaker 3: I know in twenty twenty one our offense kind of did.

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Speaker 2: Super bowls them around. I'm around, honest, be honest. There

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Speaker 1: Yes, but no, do you think I can convince him

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, give me a shot. Maybe maybe go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Saquon going sixty plus is not what worries me this week. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I want it to be because Hurts through for three

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Speaker 3: I agree, But I'd rather, like you said, I'd rather

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Speaker 2: That's what he said. I agree with that, but he

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Speaker 1: I told DeMarco, I want the Rams to play first

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Speaker 3: My only concern is this, and it's it's his legs.

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Speaker 2: You you can't right like to me, it's he'll drop

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Speaker 3: Look think the pass for two seconds and he's looking

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Speaker 1: Right, But if you're coming after him with seven eight

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Speaker 3: It, you just have to tackle him right and that again,

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Speaker 3: And that's if I'm gonna say that emphasis of this

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Speaker 1: How encouraging was last week for you?

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Speaker 2: Thing though, yeah beat you with his legs type yes, yeah.

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Speaker 2: they have to dribble first. That's not fair, you know

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. If you go back and look

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Speaker 1: There a way to Marco to make Saquon Barkley a

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Speaker 2: So you have two choices. You're a running back, you know.

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Speaker 2: It just depends on how Chris Shola wants to get

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Speaker 2: And if you have an all out blitz and this

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Speaker 1: But they're not using those receivers yet. And I know

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do some things that force you to

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Speaker 3: I would say, I agree with you. I would just say,

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Speaker 1: How do you dictate that though score?

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Speaker 3: No, you dictate that by first and second down, right,

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Speaker 3: No? I believe. I believe the Rams can because they

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Speaker 3: Makai Beckton was a big piece that they lost. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, change the games.

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Speaker 3: And that is and that is what you want.

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Speaker 2: See with me, and I'm with you on the twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's not even that I think they're they're

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Speaker 3: They have to work together, right, you have to be like, ah, well,

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Speaker 3: on of a sudden, like you have to play off.

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Speaker 2: The defense gets you the ball and put it in

439
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Speaker 2: the box. Yes.

440
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Speaker 1: One other thought on the current structure of Philadelphia, and

441
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Speaker 1: again this feels like some of the same things we

442
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Speaker 1: were saying at the beginning of last year before they

443
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Speaker 1: got hot after their bye week. But they've been stagnant

444
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Speaker 1: through the air and they've been predictable, And I worry

445
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Speaker 1: about a two week sample size from a tendency standpoint

446
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Speaker 1: when you're the third team to play them, like when

447
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: they're under center, where they're in the pistol, they hand

448
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Speaker 1: it off. When we're in the shotgun, it's like a

449
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Speaker 1: non passing situation. But when they have firmly established tendencies

450
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Speaker 1: after two weeks. That means they have the opportunity to

451
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Speaker 1: break those tendencies in week three, and you're kind of

452
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Speaker 1: the sucker that gets subject to that. Right, So if

453
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Speaker 1: we're seeing under center hard play action shot taking through

454
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Speaker 1: the air, I'm worried. If we're seeing Saquon gun runs early,

455
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Speaker 1: worried too strong, But you know what I mean, Like,

456
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the opponent that they break

457
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Speaker 1: tendencies successfully against.

458
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Speaker 2: See good coordinators and I'm just you're making me go

459
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Speaker 2: back through my career, my life. Good coordinators will tell

460
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Speaker 2: you what's coming next based on what they see on film.

461
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 2: They're trying to set you up for this, so be

462
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Speaker 2: alert for that. So I mean, if you're Chris Shule,

463
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Speaker 2: if you're Aubrey Pleasant, you've been through this stuff before.

464
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Speaker 2: You have an idea of what the next counter punch

465
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Speaker 2: is gonna be, so you have to warn the guess now.

466
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Speaker 2: The one thing is you haven't seen it yet and

467
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Speaker 2: it may hit you once and that's when those halftime

468
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Speaker 2: adjustments or sideline adjustments become very very important and they're

469
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Speaker 2: very very good at adjusting. We can all say that,

470
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Speaker 2: right whenever anything happens or hits them they're very good.

471
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Speaker 1: At a second half. Performances have been sensational.

472
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. And I think this group understands

473
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Speaker 2: what they have in front of them as far as

474
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Speaker 2: personnel and what they're about to see. So just like

475
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Speaker 2: with the pick that Stafford threw, we just talked about

476
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Speaker 2: that in Tennessee, that pick that he threw, hell of

477
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 2: a call, hell of a play. That dude took off

478
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Speaker 2: from a tackle position and ran out to the flat

479
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 2: right underneath to two like he knew it was coming.

480
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Speaker 2: That's a coordinator. That was a coordinator beating McVeigh and

481
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Speaker 2: Stafford on that same thing could happen here when they

482
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Speaker 2: do this. This is the basic CounterPunch to what they're

483
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Speaker 2: about to do. Be alert, So a good coordinator will

484
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Speaker 2: help you with all.

485
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you this too. Down and distance tells you everything.

486
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 3: Right if your shot shot plays are taken on first

487
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Speaker 3: and ten, second and short to medium and third, third

488
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 3: and short right, those are your shot territories. So you

489
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Speaker 3: have to know that I don't know what the play

490
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 3: is gonna be, but I know that down and distance

491
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 3: is gonna tell me everything. You're not gonna take a

492
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Speaker 3: shot on second and ten right, you're gonna try to

493
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Speaker 3: get some yards so that you get a man's will

494
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Speaker 3: third down or possibly like that. That's your screen territory.

495
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Speaker 3: So you just have to And again, I know the

496
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Speaker 3: Rams do an awesome job of understanding that this is

497
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Speaker 3: more for our fans. As you're watching the game, watch

498
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Speaker 3: the Tennessee's on the down markers right first and ten.

499
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Speaker 3: What are they doing? How are they setting this up?

500
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Speaker 3: Is it gun run on first and ten? Because if

501
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Speaker 3: it is gun run on first and ten, play action

502
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Speaker 3: pass will come off of that with max protection and

503
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Speaker 3: the shot. If it's pistol pistol pass. Understand they're setting

504
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Speaker 3: you up for different things as a game goes on.

505
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Speaker 3: It's all as a chess match. You're just trying to

506
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Speaker 3: see what I want to know what you're gonna play

507
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Speaker 3: against this, and then I'm gathering information so down the

508
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Speaker 3: road we can make adjustments.

509
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Speaker 2: That's why I don't hate you know what's coming.

510
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me come back to that in just a second.

511
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Speaker 1: But I do empathize with the challenge for Chrishula this

512
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Speaker 1: week and his defensive staff. When you're facing a quarterback

513
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Speaker 1: in an offense that has not thrown a single pass

514
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Speaker 1: between ten and twenty air yards this season, Like, what

515
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Speaker 1: do you do with that?

516
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Speaker 3: Uh?

517
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say, like whatever hurt you in the

518
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: last two weeks, you're gonna see even what yah and

519
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Speaker 2: challenge you.

520
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Speaker 3: If you're Emmanuel Forbes and and A. J. Brown's out there,

521
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Speaker 3: guess what they're gonna throws. We're gonna go vertical. That's

522
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Speaker 3: just that's what hurts you. Now with Darius Williams comes

523
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Speaker 3: in and he's able to stop that, He's not gonna

524
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Speaker 3: get that, right.

525
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Speaker 1: But that would be such a break of tendency in

526
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Speaker 1: terms of hurts is only thrown. I think five go

527
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Speaker 1: balls all seasons.

528
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Speaker 3: You have to remember we're scouting them and they're scouting. Yes, right,

529
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Speaker 3: so I'm gonna if I'm an offensive coordinator, what have you?

530
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Speaker 3: What is giving you trouble? The kid from Stanford is

531
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Speaker 3: catching the ball like like David Tyree on his helmet,

532
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Speaker 3: like skipping out of bounds. We're throwing the fade if

533
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Speaker 3: we see press man, that's where we've seeing you struggle, right,

534
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: and so we know that you're going to load the

535
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: box like you said, You're gonna load the box to

536
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Speaker 3: stop the run. Jalen hurts this is their opportunity to

537
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Speaker 3: go and make some plays.

538
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Speaker 1: I want to flip to the other side. Any other

539
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on Eagles offense, Rams defense.

540
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: No, it's the Saquon show, you know what it is.

541
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: That must suck when you're the focal point.

542
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: But they have to offensive line too. That's why Rams. No,

543
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: the Eagles, That's why they're running the ball so much.

544
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: They're trying to protect the old line because if you

545
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Speaker 3: watched again, I know the Cowboys didn't getting minisacks, but

546
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: they were all around. You can get pressure.

547
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Speaker 1: Speaking of scouting and tendencies, when you win a Super Bowl,

548
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: the whole league studies you all off season and tries

549
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: to come up with the antidote to that. Do you

550
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Speaker 1: think anything that we've seen in terms of Philadelphia's offensive

551
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Speaker 1: struggles so far is just a credit to the league

552
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Speaker 1: and the defensive coordinators from Dallas and Kansas City finding

553
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Speaker 1: solutions to a league wide problem. And can the Rams

554
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: borrow from Well.

555
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Speaker 3: I think it's Philadelphia losing players, right, I believe you lost.

556
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: You lost a lot of key pieces off defensively and defensively,

557
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: especially on your line. And then I think it also

558
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: is teams building their roster to beat you right when

559
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: we win team Yeah, just how it is. That's why

560
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: it was so shocking that the Chiefs have like three

561
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Speaker 3: in almost go three in a row because everyone's trying

562
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: to beat them, right. But if we flip it to

563
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Speaker 3: the other side, and if we're going to talk about

564
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Speaker 3: the Rams offense versus Philly's defense, I think the two

565
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Speaker 3: headed monster is going to be really important running back.

566
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Speaker 3: The two headed running back monster is going to be

567
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: really important this week because we just can't let Jalen

568
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: Carter just terrorize at the pocket. You can't do that anymore.

569
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Speaker 1: Is it a two headed monster? After just seeing a

570
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Speaker 1: couple of carries from Blake corm and Tennessee, I know,

571
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Speaker 1: DeMarco says yes.

572
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: I agree as well, because now I'm confident it.

573
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Speaker 1: Was undeniable based on that sample size.

574
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Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with him out there running the ball knock.

575
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Speaker 3: I got explosive. It looks different, but I got explosive runs, right,

576
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Speaker 3: and I got explosive runs when they were needed in

577
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 3: that game. Like he was the Kiren, was doing an

578
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: awesome job, but then when he came in, he became

579
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Speaker 3: the spark. He kind of show things like exactly juice,

580
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: and so if I have two guys that I can

581
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Speaker 3: trust to go, and we said this on air and

582
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: the broadcast that now we're in trouble because now I

583
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 3: have two fresh in the fourth quarter, I have two

584
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: guys fresh for four quarters of the game and then

585
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: in December. And so the key is for the Rams

586
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: to lean on that running game a little bit more

587
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: and then allow your one on ones on the outside

588
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: very soon. What we're saying with with Phillipe.

589
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Speaker 1: Only question is do they trust Korum to clean up

590
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: that pocket the way they do Kiren.

591
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to wait to see.

592
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Speaker 1: Right this is a Sunday.

593
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: Philly doesn't Philly doesn't blitz. They're the Rust four.

594
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Speaker 1: That's what's interesting about this challenge is schematically and personnel wise,

595
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Speaker 1: they're so different than Houston and Tennessee. And we can

596
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Speaker 1: dig into the why behind that too. But just like

597
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Spags changed up a little bit from

598
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: the February matchups, so too did did Fangio and the Eagles.

599
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: They got after Patrick Mahomes a little bit more than

600
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Speaker 1: we're used to seeing. They sent extras at him.

601
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Speaker 3: They will. I mean, I think in that situation that

602
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 3: that was just a different game plan. I think they

603
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 3: did it because they lost a couple guys defensively. But

604
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: if you really, I say, in any critical moment, certain

605
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: people run certain things right, and that's what you're always

606
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: you can have a game plan to do. Hey, we're

607
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: gonna send corner blitzer, We're gonna send linebacker blitzes. But

608
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: let's get into a critical moment. Who are you, right?

609
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Wade Phillips was a zero blitz guy. He goes send

610
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: at the ouse, right, That's who he is. So I

611
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: always play to who you are. Vangiel is gonna play

612
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: cover two or cover six. They go sit back and

613
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: play coverage and let you rush. And so you may

614
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: show me all this stuff, but I know, come critical

615
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 3: moments right, third and third and five, whatever the moment

616
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: is or the situation is, you're gonna be who you are.

617
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: Can't be anyone different. And that's why you can send

618
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Speaker 3: all those pressures to all that stuff. I know exactly

619
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Speaker 3: what you're gonna be in a critical moment, and that's

620
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Speaker 3: what you want.

621
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Speaker 1: I wonder if part of it is out of necessity though,

622
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Speaker 1: because you talked about some lost person Alex, what's not

623
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Speaker 1: there anymore? Yeah, sack numbers are misleading, but they've only

624
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Speaker 1: got a couple through the first two weeks. So are

625
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Speaker 1: they generating as much pressure with only four as they

626
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: did a year ago so far? Not yet.

627
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: No, there's still a threat though, Oh no, on Yeah,

628
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: they're still good.

629
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Speaker 3: I will say this, if you blitz the Rams' you're

630
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: opening up holes and lanes that you do not want

631
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: to get exposed.

632
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: I would say the Rams might even invite that challenge.

633
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: I played for Tom Cable at the UCLA. I'm just

634
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: sad I had to say UCLA because we're not in

635
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: our best times right now. But we'll talk about that later.

636
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: Same colors, but they we're just different situations. He used

637
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 3: to tell us in every office of meeting, we want

638
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: them to blitz because we know where the holes are

639
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: and we know where we're gonna go. And that's what

640
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: I see the Rams. When you blitz the Rams. Stafford

641
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: knows exactly where he's going with the football. That throw

642
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: to Devonte Adams. He knew exactly where he was going

643
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: with the football. He just wanted to keep the safety

644
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: or who he thought was gonna be in the middle

645
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: of the middle because he was going to put it

646
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 3: out there. They know exactly where they're going with the football.

647
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: The receivers know what's going on. Everyone's doing what they're

648
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: supposed to do. When you blitz a team like that,

649
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: it can't get pretty dangerous for you.

650
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it's week to week. So if

651
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: they're watching the Tennessee tape, there was some blitzes that

652
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: got to Stafford. There was a first and ten that

653
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: ended on third nineteen and you punt it, so there

654
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: were some blitzes that got home. There's still some communication

655
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: things that you're working out. It's the second week of

656
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: the season going into the third, so they're not all there.

657
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Stafford just got back, really, so they're working themselves in.

658
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be some pressures dialed up. Do they

659
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: have to use him? Does he have to go to

660
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: that We'll see. We'll see how his front four is

661
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: eating that day. If they're getting pressure, you don't need

662
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: to use them. Save him for the next week. But

663
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: if you start seeing them some pressure, like I said,

664
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: that means you're doing good. That's great, you'll have a

665
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: chance to pick it apart. Now the problem is, and

666
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: I'm with you, blitzing Matthew stafford with Pooka and with

667
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams is very very dangerous if you don't get there.

668
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: Tennessee got home a few times. So until you sew

669
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: that up completely, every coordinator is going to have that

670
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: same blitz or something else built off it coming for

671
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: you the next week.

672
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: Well you expect expect that corner safety blitz off the

673
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: off the nub side. Yeah, inside, that's all it. I

674
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: mean that a lot of team was struggling with that

675
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: right now. That's kind of the blitz of the year

676
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: right now. But even then, I real quick the tight

677
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: end side, where the tight end is. Yeah, so if

678
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: you have slot or three receivers away wherever the tight

679
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: end is, teams are coming off that because it's hard

680
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: for the lineman to slide out and scan. I would

681
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: say the biggest thing is the health of the offensive

682
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: line for the Rams. Right you talked about some pressure situations. Yeah,

683
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: you have who's the detac we played last week. I'm

684
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: already Simmons Simmons going againstdeeded. So yeah, there's gonna be

685
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: some pressure, is what it is like. Yeah, that's how

686
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: it is that God made him a little bit different

687
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: than he made everyone else, and he was getting pressure

688
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: through double teams. Yeah, and so you're gonna have to

689
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: see another guy like that. So I think the health

690
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: of the offensive line is gonna be important. And then

691
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: I also think the effectiveness or the efficiency of the

692
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: running game is gonna be important as well.

693
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: How good has Stafford been knowing that the back was

694
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: less than one hundred percent. His pass protection has been

695
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: substandard by just about any objective measure, and there's been

696
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: no traditional running game through two weeks to speak of,

697
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: and he's setting the world of.

698
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: Fire the throat of Davante last week with a guy

699
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: on his back, on Davante's back and he's throwing it around.

700
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: A guy looked like he curved the ball to him.

701
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: I bet the arrow, yes, yeah, Now that strike beautiful.

702
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: And you also have to give Davante some props for

703
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: bailing Stafford out picking some off the ground. I mean,

704
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: some of those biggest shut up and sit down catches

705
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: came from DeVante Adams. But their connection is starting to grow.

706
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: And I love both of these receivers working both sides

707
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: of the defense. Those safeties don't know whether to go

708
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: blind or wind the watch whatever that analogy is, but

709
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: it's definitely serious. If you can blend in a running

710
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: game or somebody to attack the spine of the defense consistently,

711
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: oh geez, then the sky's the woman. Especially like you said,

712
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: that's when you start panicking as a coordinator. We can't

713
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: cover them all. Let's just start sending whatzes and then

714
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: you'll die faster. I had this conversation with my high

715
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: schoolers this weekend. We're talking about being brutally honest, right

716
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: when you have, like, coach, how was it in the

717
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: NFL we paid Devonte Adams to.

718
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: Make those type of catches? Those are expected. I'm not

719
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: shocked that you're making those, because I've seen you make

720
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: those multiple times before. I'm shocked when you drop those, right,

721
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: even though it's like a miraculous catch. And that's what

722
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: I tell my kids, Like when you set a certain

723
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: standard for yourself and you play a certain way that's expected, right,

724
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: and you do it consistently. And so am I shocked

725
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: by the way Stafford's playing. No, I've seen it before.

726
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: Why would I be shocked. I've seen you do this.

727
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: This is what my eyes in my brain tell that

728
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do. DeVante Adams? Am I shocked? By that. No, Now,

729
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: the drops early in the drops early in the season,

730
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: very shocked. What do we you know? But that's what

731
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: when you create those type of standards, that's what you expect.

732
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: And that's why the Rams paid them all that money

733
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: to come here and be that guy. And he's showing

734
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: that guy. The same with Nate Landman. We and I

735
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: know it just going back. We talk about it all

736
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: the time we're on the bus on the way back.

737
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: He's always he's always been around the ball. It's not

738
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that the balls on the ground and

739
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: fifty three is pay it up for whatever reason. He

740
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: could be way over on the other side of the

741
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: field the ball and it just goes to him. The

742
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: ball just finds his way to them. And so when

743
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: you have players like that and they show up in

744
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: those moments, it's not I don't want to say we

745
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: take it for granted, but it is expected.

746
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: How about a profile this Eagles defense and the secondary specifically,

747
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: it strikes me as being such a different challenge than

748
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Houston and Tennessee. Both of those teams had an elite corner,

749
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: I would say, and they chose to travel with DeVante.

750
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Philadelphia does. I also don't know that

751
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: that Houston or Tennessee is a good proxy for Philadelphia

752
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: because the strength of Philadelphia is their slot corner. I mean,

753
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: he's one, He's become one of the best in the league.

754
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: And so whereas getting Puoka into the slot and matched

755
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: up against some of those defenders was a winning formula

756
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: for weeks one and two, I think Fangio would say,

757
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Pooka against Degene, let's go.

758
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would wonder who's going to be the corner

759
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: opposite of the first round or they had a couple

760
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: of years Quinion Mitchell, Yeah, Quinna Minche, whoever that guy is.

761
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Well, Adorri Jackson's been to use your expression though, where's

762
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Waldo of the first two weeks for Philadelphia?

763
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: That's right?

764
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: And I'm just because I'm gonna be gentle because I

765
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: can't really say anything because my school's going through stuff,

766
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: so I'm not gonna say anything about the other school

767
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: and their players. But I'm just saying, like, that's the

768
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: guy that you want to go after. He's been the guy.

769
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: And so if that's the case, how many times can

770
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: we get Devonte Adams on him poking a coup on him.

771
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: And if I do have to put Pooka in the

772
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: slot against uh Cooper dejen I'm okay with that match

773
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: up because they're both they're both bigger guys, right. I

774
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: think he dominated the Cooper Cup matchup because he was

775
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: just stronger and more physical.

776
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: But last year in January, they tried to get Pukah's

777
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: alignment outside right, and they got him targets out wide.

778
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious what that looks like in this construct, especially

779
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: with two tight end looks right. Yes, if you're playing

780
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: more twelve, how does Philly match? Do they match? Because

781
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: there's a world where in twelve a door he's not

782
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: even on the field, right, And do you want that?

783
00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: Or?

784
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so you expect a lot more three receivers that.

785
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: My dog barks, barks two my dog bites two Pukah

786
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: versus Dejane.

787
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: Let's see it, That's what I sometimes you do get.

788
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: Let's let's see it, let's match him, let's go that.

789
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: That felt like a finishing thought.

790
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm just let's go.

791
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: Are you playing us off?

792
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Here?

793
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Is that the music?

794
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you can hide from the Eagles and

795
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: vice versa. That's what I'm saying. I don't think you

796
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: can outscheme them. I don't think you could, you know,

797
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: hide from them, sneak up on them. They're defending champs

798
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: for a reason. You're gonna have to go through them.

799
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: So you're telling me is like, hey, me and you

800
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: at three o'clock and it's two fifty five.

801
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Bank has gotta it's there.

802
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: To start getting your mind right because it's coming. There's

803
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: no reason, Like It's kind of like boxing when you

804
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: fight the same guy three times, all the strategies out

805
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: the window.

806
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: We just got a box right there.

807
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: We's got to figure this thing out the old fashioned

808
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: And I think that's what you're if you're the Rams.

809
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: You're saying, look, this is our third shot at this

810
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: at this team, at this roster. How can we go

811
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: out there? And I know it's a little bit different,

812
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: but we got to go out there and just.

813
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Execute our boxing. Analogy made me realize that we overlooked

814
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: one big thing, and that is the current state of

815
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: the tush push, which is dominating headlines again this week

816
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: because of the way the Eagle jumped abused it in

817
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Where are you with respect to that play

818
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: in general and how it's not been officiated and what

819
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: that means.

820
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: For Sunday, right me, You want to know how to

821
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: stop it? I still think you do.

822
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: You want to you ask what the question?

823
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: Jonesrew? I know will say what I don't.

824
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: I don't think it's illegal. I do. If you want

825
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: to know how to stop it, I could tell you

826
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: you just have to jam the center back into the quarterback.

827
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: Oh it's that simple, Like that's the only way to

828
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: stop that. He's sitting there, whoever's over the nose of

829
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: the center. You have to you have to get all

830
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: your weight and run right into him, and jamming back

831
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: into hurts. And that's how you used to Yeah, you're

832
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: saying it right. Look, I don't want you to ban

833
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: it until I stop it. There there you go.

834
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want the league to have to save

835
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: me from a freaking play. I'd rather have to stop.

836
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: It, won't You be curious? Though, because the spotlight of

837
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the league has been on it this week, I would

838
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: expect Philly to just run it flawlessly, cleanly, right to

839
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: make sure that they're buttoned up. But if a flag

840
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: gets dropped on Sunday, just to make sure that a

841
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: message is sent on behalf of the other thing thirty

842
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: one teams, I wouldn't be surprised either, and the Rams

843
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: could be beneficiary.

844
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: Or you could do what the commanders did and just

845
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 3: jump all sides every time.

846
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we don't have then.

847
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: That's a form of surrender.

848
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: Though in the goal line, why not take a shout out?

849
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: But if you go from a fourth and one, which

850
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: is an easy pick up for them, to a fourth

851
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: and six when the game's on the line, that was

852
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: in the message.

853
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, can't get here soon enough.

854
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: Huh, yes, here we go so you can get cold.

855
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: When it's not cold you're talking about is hot and humid.

856
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: What happened to you?

857
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm being an analyst. I don't play football anymore.

858
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: I stopped playing football long time.

859
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: Let's shut this down so we can get his unfiltered

860
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: U C l A thoughts okay for m J D

861
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,799
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862
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