1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. We are your hosts. I'm Roschia Pecureiro. 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: And I am Eve Genteelay and here as always with 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: our amazing producer Trevor Young. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Hey there, how's it go? 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: Hello? Hi Trevor, Oh my god. Okay, so I have 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: to tell you too about what I hope, pray beg 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: for the two of you and all of our listeners 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: to binge watch immediately. And again we are not sponsored, 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: but if if you want to sponsor us, please tell 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: us Amazon Prime. But a league of their own, the 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: reimagined series from creator Abby Jacobson, and she's also one 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: of the stars in it. She's the co creator. But 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: it's so incredible. I have to tell you a little 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: bit about this series and why. Of course, as the 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: card holding lesbian that I am. Of course I want 23 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: to watch, you know, the reimagining of a baseball you know, 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: female baseball players, you know baseball show. But there's two 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: reasons that I want all of our listeners and for 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: the two of you to watch it. One, In Petty 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: Marshall's original movie in the nineties, she only alluded to 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: the fact that there were African American women that played 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: baseball during that time, right, but they weren't allowed to 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: play in the All American you know, girls professional Baseball League, 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: which is what this series is based on. It took place, 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: I believe in nineteen forty three. She like did like 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: a little to it, just like one scene, but she 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: didn't allude at all to the queer scene of that time. 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: And in the new series, they allude, not only allude, 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: they slap you in the face with it beautifully. They 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: bring in beautiful characters and people of color. And it's 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: absolutely brilliantly incredible, laughing, crying, all the things. So please, please, please, 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: please please please watch it. 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely And what did you say? 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: It was on again? Amazon? 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: No? 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: Amazon Prime? 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: Oh, Amazon Prime. Okay, yeah, I can't wait to watch. 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you say that because I was 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: just on a plane to New York and I just 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: watched for the first time forty two. But Chadwick Boseman, 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: and you know the story about Jackie Robinson, and that 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: was amazing and just to think about you know what, 50 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: you know, Jackie endured during that time, and I could 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: imagine the same for those those women back then. Yeah, 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: I mean you had to be fierce, you know, just 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: the insults and the hate that was being thrown out there. 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I can't wait to watch that. But forty 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: two is amazing as well. Yep, all righty well, Trevor, 56 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: will you please take us through today's. 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: Case, but now a story of unnatural violence, the case 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: and confessions of a female serial killer. 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: She was tired of being in the spotlight. She was 60 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: tired of reporters and police and lawyers, everyone making a 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: career off of her. There are many people who were abuse, 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: his children, who were raped. They don't pick up a 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: gun and kill No. I wasn't born bad. You guys 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: got it stand time tell you man. 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: They lied, They lied so bad to you all. 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: Eileen Warnos was a Florida based serial killer who murdered 67 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: seven men between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety. Eileen 68 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: had a troubled upbringing. At the age of four, she 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: was abandoned by her parents and adopted by her maternal grandparents. 70 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Her grandparents were alcoholics and known to be abusive, both 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: verbally and sexually. At age eleven, Eileen reportedly engaged in 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: sexual activity at school for drugs and cigarettes, and at 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: age fifteen, she was thrown out of the house by 74 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: her grandfather. She survived through sex work and frequently got 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: into trouble with the law. Then, in November of nineteen 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: eighty nine, she committed her first murder. According to Eileen, 77 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: she shot the man because he had raped her. Over 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: the next year, she would kill six more men in 79 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: a similar fashion. Eileen was eventually captured and sentenced to 80 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: death for the murders, and in October of two thousand 81 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and two, she died by lethal injection. The following year, 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: a biographical film called Monster premiered, which revealed a new 83 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: layer to Eileen, depicting her not just as a killer, 84 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: but also he was a victim of the circumstances in 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: which she was brought up, and so who was Eileen 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: warnos what drove her to murder seven men, and to 87 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: what degree was she just as much a victim as 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: the people she killed? 89 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: This is such an incredibly wild story. I mean, I 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: think the case of Eileen Warnos is so important because 91 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: it really brings up a question of who the victim 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: really is in a case like this. 93 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: Right, Like, everyone I believe during that time was so 94 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: quick to think that Eileen was this man hating, lesbian, 95 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: cold blooded killer who went on this murder spree, right, 96 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: But in reality, let's face it, she was, I believe, 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: truly a victim herself. Of course, the people that she 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: took the lives of were victims as well. But I 99 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: think that both can be true, and I think not 100 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: enough people actually talk. 101 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: About that exactly. But you know, there is no denying 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: that she was a killer. But however, she also lived 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: a life of abuse and neglect. Eileen was a woman 104 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: who was mistreated from the very first day, like I mean, 105 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: all the way until the end of her life. She 106 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: was born into a violent lifestyle where she literally had 107 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: to fight to survive. Yeah, but you know, like you said, 108 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: she also murdered at least seven men, And no matter 109 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: what we say today, it's an incredibly complicated case. People 110 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: are on both sides, in the middle, all over the place. 111 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: But you know we're going to dig into all the 112 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: sides today. And one quick note before we get going. 113 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: One of the accounts of Aileen Weoronos's life that sheds 114 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: so much light on her victimhood is the phenomenal sometimes 115 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: hard to watch because it's so intense, but the phenomenal 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: film two thousand and threes Monster. It is an absolutely 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: incredible film that truly captures who Eileen was as a 118 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: person and as a human being. And the director of 119 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: that film is the great, the most phenomenal, one of 120 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: the most phenomenal humans I've ever met in my entire life. 121 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: Patti Jenkins and Patty is going to be joining us 122 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: for an interview on the next episode of Facing Evil. Yes, 123 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: we are so excited to talk to Patty. And for 124 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: those who don't know, Patty is our Ohanna. She is 125 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: the one who brought our mother's life story to fruition 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: and we have always wanted to talk to her about 127 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: Eileen Warrenos. So definitely, you must, you must look out 128 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: for this episode. 129 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's going to be incredibly fantastic. And even though 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: we've known Patty for years, we've never talked to her 131 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: about Eileen. So with that said, stay tuned for that. 132 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: But we are going to start talking about Eileen right now, 133 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: and let's learn about Eileen's early life. 134 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Eileen was born in Rochester, Michigan, on February 135 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: twenty ninth of nineteen fifty six, and her mother, Diane, 136 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: was only sixteen at the time of giving birth to Eileen. 137 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Her father was Leo Pittman, and he was nineteen at 138 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: the time of her birth, so her parents had been 139 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: married when Diane was only fourteen, which is kind of wild. 140 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: They also had a son named Keith, who was born 141 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: before Eileen. 142 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 143 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Diane was super young when she was having kids. 144 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 145 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: But the couple divorced two months before Eileen was even born, 146 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: so this was already kind of a tumultuous situation, potentially 147 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. And Leo was supposedly a pretty 148 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: trouble guy. Reportedly he had issues with alcohol. So as 149 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: you can imagine, Diane as a teenager, you know, just 150 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: age sixteen, wasn't really prepared to deal with children and 151 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: an alcoholic husband. So they divorced and then she was 152 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: just kind of all alone with these kids. 153 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Diane actually she abandoned both of her children. 154 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: There's this one story where Diane left Eileen and Keith 155 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: with a babysitter for one night, and then she called 156 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: later to say that she wouldn't come back. Can you imagine. 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: Can you guys imagine being the babysitter on the other 158 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: line and you have two kids and the parents says, 159 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: I'm not coming back. 160 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm surprised she called at all. 161 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: That's just wild. 162 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 163 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: But eventually Eileen and her brother were adopted by Diane's parents. 164 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, so both of her grandparents where she 165 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: now lived, they were both incredibly abusive. They were also 166 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: both alcoholics. Diane Warno's Eileen's mom would say that both 167 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: of her parents were very verbally abusive to her and 168 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: to Eileen, and Eileen would also say that her grandfather 169 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: at some point sexually assaulted her. 170 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: So she never had a chance. 171 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I mean, she's a kid, and she's already dealing. 172 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: With all those right Sadly, you know, it started to 173 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: catch up with her, and at the tender young age 174 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: of eleven, you know, she reportedly started having sex with 175 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: her classmates in exchange for food, drugs, and cigarettes. So 176 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: she basically became a sex worker at the age of eleven. 177 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all heartbreaking and just horrible, you know. 178 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: Eileen also struggled with behavioral problems, everything ranging from truancy 179 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: not going to school to fights at school. She was 180 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: also diagnosed with different disabilities, and that had to have 181 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: had a huge impact on all of the other issues 182 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: and factoring middle school, Eileen was diagnosed with hearing and 183 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: visual problems and they tested her IQ and she only 184 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: scored eighty one, which is technically considered borderline intellectual functioning. 185 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: And basically, so many things were stacked up against Eileen. 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people don't know about that. 187 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: I remember there's a story that one of the school 189 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: officials spoke to her grandparents and they were urging her 190 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: to get her special counseling, but her grandmother refused to 191 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: provide any treatment. They were asking or telling I should say, 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: you know, can you help you know your granddaughter, and 193 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: they said no, And so the school went as far 194 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: as to give Eileen a mild tranquilizer. And I guess 195 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: is that normal for like back then where they gave 196 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 3: kids tranquilizers. 197 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, but definitely not. 198 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd get away with that today, but. 199 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: Definitely not today. But that didn't work either. I mean, 200 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: she was clearly showing problems and nobody was helping her. 201 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways, there are some other unfortunate things that happen. 202 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy Eileen is reportedly raped by a friend 203 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: of her grandfather's, so this is a much older man, 204 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: and at the age of fourteen, as a result of this, 205 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Eileen became pregnant. So during her pregnancy she was actually 206 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: sent to a home for unwed mothers. And then on 207 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: March twenty first of nineteen seventy one, Eileen gave birth 208 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: to a son, and that child was placed up for adoption, 209 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: and Eileen then dropped out of school entirely. I don't 210 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: think we know who that son is or what happened 211 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: to them, and I don't think Eileen ever met them. 212 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't don't believe either. 213 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: But can you imagine, Yeah, the getting sexually assaulted like 214 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: that and then having to deal with that at fourteen, 215 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: and she. 216 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: Was sent to an unwed mother's home, and you know, 217 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: We've heard that story before because our own grandmother, that's 218 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: our mother's story. Our grandmother, Tomorrow Hodell was sent to 219 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: an unwed mother's home when she got pregnant with our 220 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: mother at the age of fifteen. 221 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: Oh really, she was actually fourteen. 222 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: Oh wow, she was fourteen, gave birth at fifteen. 223 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting parallel. 224 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what they did during that time, right, Yeah, 225 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: although this was this was nineteen seventy one, but when 226 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: it happened Tomorrow it was twenty years earlier, so in 227 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one. But yeah, So. 228 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: The idea of being there is that like when women, 229 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, something shameful happens to them or something like that, 230 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: that you just kind of shuffle them off and like 231 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: hide them away. 232 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: Until they have the baby and then they get placed 233 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: up for dubtion. 234 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so later that very same year, in nineteen 235 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: seventy one, Eileen's grandmother died of liver failure, and then 236 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: her grandfather kicked Eileen out, so she was left to 237 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: fend for herself at the age fifteen, and she took 238 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: up sex work to survive. She even lived in the woods, 239 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: she knows, right, Yeah, yeah, she just went back to 240 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: what she'd been doing from the times she was eleven 241 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: and according to the Tampa Bay Times here and this 242 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: is a quote, at fifteen, Eileen was left to fend 243 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: for herself. She spent nights sleeping in abandoned cars or 244 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: seeking the refuge of homes in the area. Family and 245 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: neighbors told investigators that's. 246 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: Like, you know, when you think about that, like they 247 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: just left her out to be a wild animal. 248 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: Right. 249 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: Anyhow, Eileen left Michigan, and rightfully so. But she sort 250 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: of becomes a vagabond, like she's traveling and she's hitchhiking 251 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: across the country. 252 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: We know that. 253 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: On May twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four, Eileen was arrested 254 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: in Colorado for a DUI and she was also arrested 255 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: for disorderly conduct for firing a pistol out of a 256 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: moving car. And so she was then charged with a 257 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: f Well, you're to appear in court, so obviously she 258 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: never showed it up for that, right, So she's you know, 259 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: hitchhiking across country. She's handling guns and getting into trouble 260 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: with the law. I mean, this all just seems like 261 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: a bad situation, getting. 262 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Worse, right, Yeah, things are definitely starting to spiral at 263 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: this point. And eventually she makes her way down I 264 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: seventy five all the way to Florida, and this is 265 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: where really most of the story takes place. This is 266 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: where Eileen lives when she eventually murders seven men. And 267 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: we'll get into that right after we take a quick break. 268 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: So I want to point out a few more notable 269 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: things that happen with Eileen before her murdering spree begins. First, 270 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six, she met and married a sixty 271 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: nine year old man named Louis gratz Fell. During their marriage, 272 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: Eileen beat Louis with his very own cane, and Louis 273 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: ended up getting a divorce from Eileen and even took 274 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: out a restraining order against her. And he would be 275 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: quoted as saying, Wernos has a violent and ungovernable temper 276 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: and threatened to do bodily harm end quote. What do 277 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: we think about this? 278 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: It's weird. I mean, this marriage clearly doesn't last very 279 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: long for a good reason, right, I mean, is I 280 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: guess the first case we have of Eileen being incredibly violent, 281 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, especially to somebody She's I supposedly romantically involved with. 282 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: I wonder how much of that was just survival, right, Yeah, 283 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: And you know, things proceeded to go even more downhill 284 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: from there. And in nineteen seventy eight, at the age 285 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: of twenty two, Eileen attempted suicide by shooting herself in 286 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: the stomach. And that wasn't even her first suicide attempt. 287 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: I think it was her sixth suicide attempt, her first 288 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: time that she had tried to kill herself she was 289 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: only fourteen years old. 290 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then at that point it was just seemingly 291 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: crime after crime that she was caught for throughout the years. 292 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: Just a couple of notable examples, she robbed a convenience 293 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: store in nineteen eighty one. She tried to cash forwards 294 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: checks at a bank. She was also arrested in Miami 295 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six for car theft and for resisting arrest. 296 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: And then also that year she robbed a man at gunpoint, 297 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: demanding two hundred dollars. So this is unfortunately Eileen's life. 298 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: Now it seems like, well. 299 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: It's been that way forever. It feels like, yeah, exactly, 300 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: She's like. 301 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Now she's resorting to violence, right. 302 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: Crime and violence. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely gone to the 303 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: next step. 304 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And everything is spiraling out of control with her, right. 305 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: But then she meets someone who is very, very important 306 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: in this story. She meets a hotel maid named Tyra Moore. 307 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 3: And for anyone who had didn't seen Monster, she is 308 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: portrayed by the great Christina Ricci. And this character that 309 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: Christina Ricci plays, her name is Selby in the movie. 310 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: In the movie Monster, But this is really the beginning 311 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: of a love story. When she meets Tyra. 312 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, but it might have been 313 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: the only like glimmer of light in Eileen's life, and 314 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: the two of them, you know, begin a very enduring 315 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: but very tumultuous and difficult relationship. And Eileen was thirty 316 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: and Tira was twenty four years old at this point. 317 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: They moved in together not long after meeting, like the 318 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: typical lesbians. I can joke about that because hello, we 319 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: do that, you haul really fast. So they of course, 320 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: you know, we're living together. And the only way that 321 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: Eileen could support Tyra was by doing sex work, and 322 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: that's how they survived. You know, I'm sure this was 323 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 2: hard on them as a couple, But to be honest, 324 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: I'm I'm just glad that Eileen had Tira for however 325 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: brief a time. 326 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: As you alluded to though Russia, this doesn't last very 327 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: long because in nineteen eighty nine the murders begin, and 328 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: let's go through them in order rather quickly. So on 329 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: November thirtieth, a fifty one year old man named Richard 330 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Charles Mallory picked up Eileen in his car, and supposedly 331 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: this is for Eileen to provide him with sexual services. 332 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: So Eileen would claim that Mallory tied her to the 333 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: steering wheel of his car and raped her. And then 334 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: after this assault, she pulls out her gun and shoots 335 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: him multiple times. So two of those shots punctured his 336 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: left lung, killing him. Eileen then dumped his body in 337 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: the woods nearby. The police wouldn't discover the body until 338 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: December thirteenth, a few weeks later, and this is officially 339 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: eileen first killing. 340 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to say that Eileen did this first 341 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: one in self defense, but as much as I want 342 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: to defend Eileen for everything that she's been through, this 343 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: happens six more times, not once, not twice, six more times. 344 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we only have her account, right, Like, we 345 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: don't have anybody else to back the story up or 346 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: say that something else happened, you know. 347 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, just Silene's testimony, right, just Sileen's recollections of this. 348 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: So. 349 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: On June first of nineteen ninety, police discovered the naked 350 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: body of forty seven year old David Andrew Spears, who 351 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: had also been shot to death, and just a few 352 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: days later, on June sixth, they found the body of 353 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: forty year old Charles Edmund Carkcadon, wrapped in an electric blanket. 354 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: In both of these cases, investigators determined that they had 355 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: been killed with a twenty two caliber gun. Was later 356 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: spotted driving Carskannan's car, and she had also pawned a 357 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: gun that was in his name. Crazy. 358 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: It just seems like she's not covering any tracks. 359 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean she Yeah, I don't think she really had 360 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: any concept of covering her tracks, you know. I think 361 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: she was just in these very probably desperate situations and 362 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: just reacted. I mean that said, like she could have 363 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: had the I don't know, the thought to throw evidence away, 364 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: maybe not like drive that person's car around. I don't know. 365 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: So Anyways, the next victim is Peter Abraham Siams, and 366 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: on July fourth, police find his car, but they never 367 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: find his body. To this day, they've actually never found 368 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: his body, but Eileen and Tyra had been spotted leaving 369 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: his car a few days earlier, and they also find 370 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: Eileen's handprint on the inside door handle. 371 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: Again not thinking. She probably wasn't even thinking about it. 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: She was just trying to survive, trying to Oh my god, 373 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: I just killed another person. What do I do next? 374 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know I'm kill her. I don't 375 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: know what her mind was like, but yeah, I'm just 376 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 2: thinking about what you were just saying. 377 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: And you know she had to, you know, in the moment, 378 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: of course, you're not thinking about that, in the hype 379 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: of doing all the things that she's done. But eventually 380 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: she has to know that it's going to catch up. 381 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: To her, right right, you would think. So, I think 382 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: this is where it was a pivotal point in where 383 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: everything changed for Eileen. And this is depicted so beautifully 384 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: in the movie Monster by Patty Jenkins. And you're just 385 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: like riveted, You're like, what is going on? So a 386 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: witness actually sees Eileen and Tyra in you know, Peter 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: seems car and she sees them get into a car accident, 388 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: and they don't ask for help from her. They freak 389 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: the f out and take off. So this woman is like, 390 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: what just happened? And you see that in the scene 391 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: in the movie, and it actually happened in real life. 392 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: So this witness was able to give you know, full 393 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: descriptions of Tyra and Eileen to the authorities. And then basically, 394 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: I mean we're supposed to say man hunt, but the 395 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: woman hunt. 396 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: Began, So I mean, yeah, exactly. Up until this point, 397 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: there was not really a big connection between all of 398 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: these different murders. You know, I think they were sort 399 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: of figuring out what was going on eventually, but now 400 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: they're seeing like, oh, like these women are probably behind this. 401 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: They had the victim's car. You know, a lot of 402 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: things are lining up now. So a couple more murders 403 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: happened before they actually catch So the next victim is 404 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: fifty year old Troy Eugene Burris. He was found on 405 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: August fourth of that year, and victim number six is 406 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Charles Richard Humphries, who was found on September twelfth. And 407 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: then the final victim was sixty two year old Walter 408 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: Gino Antonio and he was found on November nineteenth. And 409 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety so it's now been a full 410 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: year since Eileen started killing. 411 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: It's just so crazy, all of that in one year, 412 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: that's seven victims. 413 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it doesn't take police very long to 414 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: figure out that it is Eileen that has been behind 415 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: all of these murders, and they do finally track her down. 416 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: And as we said, I mean, Eileen wasn't covering her 417 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: tracks very well for that year of all of those murders. 418 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: She was pawning her you know, her victim's belongings at 419 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: pawnshops all around Florida, and her fingerprints were actually found 420 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: on one of the pawn shop receipts. And then so 421 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 2: once they matched up that print that was on the 422 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: pawn shop receipt, authorities put out a warrant for her 423 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: arrest finally after that year of her killing. 424 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course at this point it's just a 425 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: matter of time, right, So finally, on January ninth of 426 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Eileen is arrest did at Last Resort, 427 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: which is a biker bar in v Lucia, Florida. So 428 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: technically police arrested her for an outstanding warrant for something else. 429 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: She was under the assumption that the warrant was related 430 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: to one of the many fake names that she had 431 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: been using going around using. 432 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 2: She didn't think she was getting arrested for murder. 433 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean, she had no idea that investigators 434 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: had linked her to these murders at all, or that 435 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: she was under suspicion for them at all. So anyways, 436 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: she's arrested, taken into custody, and then we'll talk about 437 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: what happens after we take another quick break. 438 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: So after the police arrest Eileen on January ninth, they 439 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: find Tyra the next day in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where she 440 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: I guess she was staying with her sister. They don't 441 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: charge her, but they do question her about Eileen's activities. 442 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: So I do want to read this quote from Crime 443 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: Library about what Tyra told them at that time. And 444 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: just side note here, Tyra always called Eileen Lee, so 445 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: she's going to be referring to Lee here in this quote. 446 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: She had known about the murder since Lee had come 447 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: home with Richard Mallory's Cadillac. She said Lee had openly 448 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: confessed that she had killed a man that day, but 449 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: Moore told her not to say anything else. I told 450 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: her I didn't want to hear about it. She had 451 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: her suspicions, she admitted, but wanted to know as little 452 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: as possible about Lee's doings. The more she knew, she reasoned, 453 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: the more compelled she would feel to report Lee to 454 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: the authorities. And she didn't want to do that. I 455 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: was just scared, she said. She always said she'd never 456 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: heard me, but then you can't believe her, So I 457 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: don't know what she would have done. End quote. 458 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 3: Hmmm, we do know, like Tyra genuinely loved Eileen, you know, 459 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: and she wanted to protect her. But I don't know. 460 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: Like at the same time, she's saying that you can't 461 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: believe her, but she's like, I don't know, right, I'm 462 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure. 463 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: Because she knows that she's killed people. 464 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Tyra really trusts her or not. 465 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can love someone and not trust them. 466 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: But as the quote kind of says, she was willfully 467 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: ignoring it or like trying not to believe it, right, 468 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: which is I think a thing that happens in relationships 469 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: that involve some sort of like dark behavior on one 470 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: part of the relationship, right, the other person in the 471 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: relationship tends to kind of like block it out of 472 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: their head and pretend it's. 473 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: Not a problem, right, compartmentalize exactly. 474 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: So deep down Tyra knows, but she's trying to like 475 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: crush it down, just move along and trust her. But 476 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: like deep down knows that like Aileen's probably not trustworthy. 477 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: Probably not. 478 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that said, police do convince Tied to speak with 479 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: Eileen on a recorded phone line, and they persuade her 480 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: to confess. In exchange for this, they offer Tira immunity 481 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: from prosecution. So the first call happens on January fourteenth, 482 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: when Tyra calls Eileen, who is in jail, but Eileen 483 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: does not confess at first. In fact, Eileen was under 484 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: the impression, as we said before, that she was only 485 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: in jail for a minor weapons violation and a traffic ticket. 486 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 2: That's just crazy. 487 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: I also read that Eileen was speaking in code words 488 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: on that entire phone conversation, which obviously suggests that she 489 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: knew more about the situation than she led on. I mean, 490 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: she she had to have been just playing it cool. 491 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: She knew, Yeah, she knew she was being recorded. Yeah, 492 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean, she knew that it was only a matter 493 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: of time. 494 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: Right. 495 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: But on the third day of phone calls, which was 496 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: January sixteenth, Eileen finally agreed to confess in order to 497 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: protect Tira. So here's another interesting quote from crime Library quote. 498 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: Moore became more insistent that the police were after her, 499 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: and it became clear that Wernos knew what was expected 500 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: of her. She even voiced suspicion that Moore was not alone, 501 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: that someone was there taping their conversations. But as time passed, 502 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: she became less careful about what she said. She would 503 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: not let Moore go down with her. Just go ahead 504 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: and let them know what you need to know, what 505 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: they want to know or anything, she said. And I 506 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: will cover for you because you're innocent. I'm not going 507 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: to let you go to jail. Listen, if I have 508 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: to confess, I will end quote. 509 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: Right. So when it comes down to the final decision, 510 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: Eileen decides to choose Tira over herself, and she does 511 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: ultimately confess. So Eileen goes in to confess, but there 512 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: are two big points she insists on. While she is confessing. 513 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: One is that Tyra had nothing to do with any 514 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: of the murders, and two that none of this was 515 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: any of her fault Eileen's. That is, so, she claims 516 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: that all of these murders were done in self defense, 517 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: that each of the victims had either assaulted her, threatened her, 518 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: or raped her, and this idea becomes essentially the mantra 519 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: of Eileen during the entire trial and all of this 520 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: process of her defending herself. It is important to note 521 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: that investigators during the confession said that her story kind 522 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: of seemed to develop as she told it. So when 523 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: she thought she'd said something that was like kind of incriminating, 524 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: like when she caught herself, she would like back up 525 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: and rewind and be like no, no, no, actually retracked, yeah, 526 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: and then she would retell it, changing little details to 527 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of like fix it along the way. So it's 528 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: again kind of hard to trust Eileen's account, at least 529 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: according to the investigators. 530 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: To me, this was clearly self defense, especially for the 531 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: first one. That's my opinion. She was fighting for her 532 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: life against violent men who were not trying, but who 533 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: had raped her. 534 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: But do you think it was self defense? After that? Point, 535 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: or you know, do you think like she was making 536 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: up the self defense part for the ones after the 537 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: first one? And that seems to be a big question 538 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: in this case. 539 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: You know, that's the difficult thing about this case, is 540 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: like you don't really know, but I just have to say, 541 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: for me, I feel like the first victim was clearly 542 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: self defense. The other six I don't think. 543 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: So. Yeah, So let's talk about the trials then. So 544 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: Eileen's first trial, which is for the murder of Richard 545 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: Charles Mallory, begins on January fourteenth of nineteen ninety two. 546 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: So because police had already connected her to the other 547 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: murders by this point, prosecutors here were able to bring 548 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: in all the evidence from those other cases. And this 549 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: is something that's kind of unique to Florida law, which 550 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: says that you can actually pull in evidence from other 551 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: cases if you can demonstrate that there's a pattern between 552 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: all the different cases, right, or that there's a pattern 553 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: of behavior evident in comparing all the cases. 554 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: Do we are we okay with this law? I'm like, 555 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure, do you know what I mean? 556 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: Because it's like, I feel like that first murder was 557 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: self defense, but I can see why they're allowed to 558 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: bring in other evidence because they're trying to prove that 559 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: it was a pattern, because it wasn't only Richard Mallory, 560 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: it was Richard Mallory and six other people. But now 561 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: that the jury knew right about all of those murders, 562 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: that made Eileen's claim of self defense against Richard way 563 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: less probable because it happened six more times. So to 564 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: them this looked much more like a serial killer killing spree. Right. 565 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: Well, there was also this to consider. The was the 566 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: videotaped confession, and to be honest, this didn't really help 567 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: the whole self defense case either. So supposedly Eileen appears 568 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: very confident and unbothered by the stories of rape and 569 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: resulting murder that she was confessing to. So she also 570 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: made apparently quote easy conversation with her interrogators, and she 571 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: even told her public defender to be quiet multiple times. 572 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: So she apparently just seemed very in control of the 573 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: situation throughout. So I don't really know what to make 574 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: of that. To me, that's just that account seems very 575 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: sexist in nature, like she wasn't emotional enough as a 576 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: woman about these terrible things, like they wanted her to 577 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: be more like, oh, no, this is such a terrible 578 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: thing that happened. 579 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to say, yeah, yeah, I. 580 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: Mean that said, it's also a bit I don't know, 581 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: sociopathic to like, no matter what who you are, to 582 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: talk about like murdering people and ever like callus. And 583 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: I can see why the jury would hear that and 584 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: be like, ooh, this person does not have a lot 585 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: of remorse for killing. So you know, I think that's 586 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: really what the jury saw here. 587 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so unsurprisingly, Eileen, like you just said what, The 588 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 3: jury was convicted of first degree murder for killing Richard 589 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: Charles Mallory on January twenty seventh. The jury deliberated for 590 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: less than two hours before determining she was guilty. And 591 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 3: then as she left the courtroom, Eileen exploded into this 592 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: rageful shouting fit. And this is so incredibly hard for 593 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: me to even say these words, but this is coming 594 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: from her mouth, and she says, I'm innocent. I was raped, 595 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: and I hope you get raped, scumbags of America. 596 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: Thankes well. The next phase of her trial was the 597 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: penalty phase, and that's to determine what punishment she gets. 598 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: The defense argued, that Eileen was quote mentally ill and 599 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: suffered from borderline personality disorder, and that her tumultuous upbringing 600 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: had stunted and ruined her. So her lawyer basically pleaded 601 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: to the jury to save Eileen's life by saying that, 602 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, she was too mentally ill to know what 603 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: she was doing. However, this argument really didn't have much 604 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: impact on the jury. They pretty quickly recommended the death penalty, 605 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: and on January thirty, first Judge Guriel Blunt sentenced Eileen 606 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: to death by electric chair for Mallory's murder. Do you 607 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: think this was justified? The death penalty? 608 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: Is the death penalty ever justified? 609 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: No? 610 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if we want to go there, but 611 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: I can go back to like talking about, you know 612 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 3: how she was just thrown away. She was literally thrown 613 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 3: out to fend for herself like a wild child, and she, 614 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 3: you know, was born on that mentality either she was 615 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: going to get killed or she was going to kill them, right, 616 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 3: That was rage that was inside of her. 617 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: So I think this is where I'm really torn, right 618 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 2: because I feel so bad for Eileen, because you know, 619 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: we always say on this show, you're not born a victim. 620 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: But it's almost like she didn't have a chance. You know, 621 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: I'm surprised she lived as long as she did without 622 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: killing herself. Yeah, killing herself, killing anyone. I mean, she 623 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: did attempt to take her own life, you know, half 624 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: a dozen times. Like it's heartbreaking to me, But I 625 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: don't believe she should have been killed. I think she 626 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: should have been given a chance to get mental health help. 627 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: I want to point out something that I think a 628 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: lot of people don't think about when it comes to 629 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: something like Eileen. She's one of the very few female 630 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: serial killers out there, right, there was not a ton 631 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: of precedent for someone like Eileen. So when she's going 632 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: through this trial, when she's going on the stand, they're 633 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: not just viewing her as a serial killer, they're viewing 634 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: her as a woman, right, And so a lot of 635 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: their lens is very clouded by perceptions of womanhood, how 636 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: a woman should act, and that compounds a lot on 637 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: the again, the perceptions of the jury. And so I 638 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: think part of her sentence was, you know, based on 639 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: a lot of probably misogyny or at least misunderstanding of 640 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: what women go through. And there was just a lot 641 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: working against her and A big part of that was 642 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: just that people listening to her story or trying to 643 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: understand her just had nothing to work. 644 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: With, right. And I wonder too, like with the death sentence, 645 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: did they do that to make an example of her. 646 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: That's a very valid point that you just made, Trevor. 647 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, the jury, the judge, they 648 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: all have this kind of cookie cutter image of what 649 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 3: a woman is supposed to be, right, and that is 650 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 3: not what they were looking at, you know, in their eyes. 651 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 3: They weren't looking at you know, what this woman had endured, 652 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 3: you know, her whole life. They were looking at, you know, well, 653 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 3: this is this is a monster. 654 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 655 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: And I do wonder, like just theoretically, like what if 656 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: it was only the first murder, what if it had 657 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: just been Richard Charles Mallory, Like, would she still had 658 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: been convicted the same way or not? And my theory 659 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: is that she would have really because I think to 660 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: that jury and that judges, it didn't matter if it 661 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: was one man, didn't matter, if it was seven, it 662 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: didn't matter, if it was self defense, didn't matter, if 663 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: it was cold blooded, you know, thrill of the kill. 664 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: I think, to them, a woman who was out of control, 665 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: and who killed who was had the lifestyle that she 666 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: had was already condemned, you know before she walked in 667 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: that courtroom. 668 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 3: Wow, especially especially during that time. You're absolutely right, Trevor, 669 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 3: and in Florida. Yep, absolutely right. 670 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 671 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 2: So on March thirty first, it was decided that Eileen 672 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: would not stand trial again, and Eileen pleaded no contests 673 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 2: to the other murders, and she pleaded no contests to 674 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: the murders of Charles Richard Humphries, Troy Eugene Burris, and 675 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: David Andrew Spears. In a statement about this, Eileen would say, quote, 676 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to confess to you that Richard Mallory did 677 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: violently rate me as I've told you, But these others 678 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 2: did not. They only began to start to end. 679 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: Quote. 680 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go. So that that changes the 681 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: game right there. 682 00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: So in total, even though we believe Eileen killed seven men, 683 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 2: she ends up with only six total death sentences. And 684 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: that's because the seventh death sentence couldn't be carried out 685 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: for the murder of Peter Abraham, seems because his body, 686 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: like Trevor said, was never found. 687 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: So Eileen's lawyers spent much of the next decade trying 688 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 3: to appeal her sentences, but apparently Eileen wasn't interested in 689 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 3: having her sentence changed. In fact, in two thousand and one, 690 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 3: Eileen petitioned to have her lawyers dismissed and cancel all 691 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 3: of her penning the pills. 692 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: She just gave up. 693 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. This is a quote. This is what she said. 694 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: She said, I killed those men. I rob them as 695 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 3: cold as ice, and I do it again too. There's 696 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I 697 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 3: kill again. I have hate crawling through my system. That's heavy. 698 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 699 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing that did happen is she requested 700 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: that her method of execution be changed to lethal injection 701 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: instead of electric chair. And I think rightfully so. And 702 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: the Florida Supreme Court did agree to all those requests 703 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: that you laid out, Yvetts, so they dismissed the appeals 704 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: and her lawyers. 705 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: On October ninth, two thousand and two, Eileen Wrenos was 706 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 2: executed by lethal injection at Florida State Prison. She declined 707 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 2: a last meal, just asking for one single cup of 708 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: coffee instead. In her final statement before her execution, she 709 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: seemed to accept her fate, and I'll be honest, I 710 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 2: googled it, I tried to look it up. I was 711 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 2: trying to decipher this last quote that I lean left 712 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 2: with the world, and I couldn't make sense of any 713 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 2: of it. But I'm going to read it to you 714 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 2: and maybe you can figure it out, and please tell 715 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: me if you do. Quote, I'd just like to say, 716 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 2: I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like 717 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: Independence Day with Jesus June sixth, like the movie Big 718 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: Mothership and all I'll be back. End quote. 719 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: So my understanding is that the last few years of 720 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: Eileen's life she was not well mentally right, so maybe 721 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: there is some sense to be made here, But I 722 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: kind of when I read that, I chalked it off 723 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: to Okay, those are the last semblances of lucidity coming through. 724 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, Well after those words, Eileen was pronounced dead 725 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: at nine forty seven PM. She was the first woman 726 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 2: to ever be executed in the state of Florida, and 727 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: only the tenth woman to ever be executed in the 728 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 2: entire country since capital punishment had been restored in the 729 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: United States in nineteen seventy six. She was cremated and 730 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 2: her ashes were spread in Michigan by lifelong friend Don Botkins, 731 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 2: and the song Carnival by Natalie Merchant was played at 732 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: Eileen's funeral. 733 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot more to talk about here about Eileen's 734 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 3: life and the way that she was treated, and we're 735 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 3: going to do a deep dive into that on the 736 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 3: next episode when we sit down with our friend, our Ohanna, 737 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: Miss Patty Jenkins, so please please stay tuned for that 738 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 3: for this week's EMUA. There are two sides to this 739 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 3: to think about. First of all, most importantly, we want 740 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: to remember those whose lives were taken violently, the victims 741 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 3: in this terrible case, and their families. 742 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 2: But we also want to recognize that Eileen was a 743 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: victim herself, a victim of jenn generational abuse and generational trauma. 744 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 2: That she was undoubtedly a product of the system that 745 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 2: she was born into. 746 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: But with proper resources and a more carrying upbringing, Eileen 747 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 3: might have got the help she needed. But instead she 748 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 3: was subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, and that 749 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 3: set her on the crash course to becoming a monster. 750 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 2: And we hope that people think about the consequences that 751 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 2: their actions have on others. Break the cycles of trauma 752 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 2: of abuse and instead of blame, try to seek understanding 753 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 2: and love onward and upward. Emua, emua. Well, that's our 754 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 2: show for today. Make sure to tune in for our 755 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 2: next episode where we interview the amazing Patty Jenkins. Well. 756 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 3: As always, we'd love to hear what you thought about 757 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 3: today's discussion and if there is a case that you 758 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 3: would like us. 759 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 2: To cover, find us on social media at Facing Evil 760 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: Pod or email us at Facingable Pod at tenderfoot dot tv. 761 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 2: And one request, if you haven't already, please find us 762 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 2: on iTunes and give us a review and a good rating. 763 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 2: If you like what we do, your support is always cherished. 764 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 3: Until next time. 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