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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildebrand. That fine gentleman over there is

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein. Our show as always driven by Geico. Dan,

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Speaker 2: you were out driving around earlier today. How was that

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Speaker 2: for you?

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Speaker 1: Glad companies like Geico are around in case things go

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Speaker 1: wrong in the snow and the muddy snow and the

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Speaker 1: It was fine, but dicey. Ultimately fine, but dicey. A

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Speaker 1: couple of situations where I try to turn going I

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Speaker 1: don't know, four miles an hour, where I tried to

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep driving straight and hope for the best

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Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself a skilled driver in the elements,

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Speaker 2: or would you rank yourself? Give me, give me a ranking.

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Speaker 1: I'm a California driver. I'm good in big cities, comfortable

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Speaker 2: Not a winter wonder on the road with you. You know,

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Speaker 2: A lot, a lot, a lot of work. Daniel. On

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Speaker 1: situation for him. Seemingly great receivers to throw to, great coaches,

433
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Speaker 1: great relationship, great offensive line like this is just you know,

434
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Speaker 1: from day one, it's going to be magic or flop

435
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Speaker 1: being kind of a transfer for the sake of transfer.

436
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't working out, needed somewhere to go. You know,

437
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: this school lost all of their receivers to transfer and

438
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: they needed to fill the room. They needed to fill

439
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: the roster, and quarterbacks just haven't succeeded there. And there's

440
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Speaker 1: no real reason to feel like this new guy is

441
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Speaker 1: the guy to turn things around. And so I hesitate

442
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Speaker 1: to use the word flop. Right, we're judging somebody, and

443
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: not even February, who's made this move. But for the

444
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Speaker 1: sake of this show and for the sake of a literation,

445
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Speaker 1: that's the word I came up with. And as always,

446
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Speaker 1: we are happy to be and thrilled to be absolutely

447
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Speaker 1: wrong in case is.

448
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Speaker 2: Like these faith fit or fullop. Why don't we start,

449
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Speaker 2: I thank you, all right, let's start with your boy,

450
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: your new boy, bo Knicks, my new guy. Yeah. So

451
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: let me set the table here for people who are listening,

452
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 2: maybe just stragglers coming through. What's this podcast? What are

453
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: these knuckleheads doing a college football podcast? On January twenty fifth,

454
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Speaker 2: Let me set the table for the new for ballers

455
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Speaker 2: among us. Yeah, Dan spent the last three years, three years,

456
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: two years, multiple years sort of downplaying the Bownicks thing. Now,

457
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: admittedly I got a yeah, I got a little too

458
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: excited about bo Nicks after his very first start. It

459
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: was I forget who they played the.

460
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Speaker 1: Very first place they beat. Okay, that's right, last second, Yeah,

461
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: last second, bring that up.

462
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Speaker 2: It was his first game. He was a legacy. Everybody's

463
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: about bon Nicks. He's going to be the next great

464
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Speaker 2: quarterback at Auburn.

465
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Speaker 1: Number one in his class, and he was.

466
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Speaker 2: He was like not he was green in that game,

467
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: No pun intended, but like you know, it took him

468
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: a while to get warmed up. He pulled some late

469
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: heroics and it was those late heroics that started to

470
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: build the mystique of Bonnicks. Bon Nicks never really lived

471
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Speaker 2: up to that hype, to that billing. Right, he was

472
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: good and he had moments and last year, yeah, before

473
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Speaker 2: he got hurt, I thought he was pretty good. He

474
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: was a different Bonnicks. He's more efficient and more responsible

475
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Speaker 2: with the football. There was a lot to like there.

476
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Speaker 2: But then he got hurt and the Auburn season went

477
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Speaker 2: sideways and whatever, I was more of a fan of

478
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Speaker 2: Bonnicks the whole way through than you. You are always

479
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: very blase on this kid as a quarterback. Yeah, now

480
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: you got him, Now he's yours. Yeah, how do you feel?

481
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Speaker 1: I'm going with faith. I'm not going with full fit,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm not going with full flop. I'm going with faith

483
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: because I think he's going to have a better offensive

484
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 1: line they return, and I believe the entirety of their

485
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: offensive line, Oregon does so a better situation than what

486
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: he had it at Auburn. I think his receivers are

487
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: going to be better at Oregon. You know, Troy Franklin,

488
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: Dante Thorton, the younger guys who showed out later on

489
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Speaker 1: in the season are back the running game, even though

490
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Speaker 1: Travis Dye transferred to USC. I don't know that the

491
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Speaker 1: status of c. J. Verdell at the moment, but Byron

492
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: Cardwell is going to be good. Auburn could you know?

493
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Tank Pixby was very good. But my reason for faith

494
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: is he has this previous relationship with Kenny Dillingham, who

495
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: was at Auburn a couple of years ago and came

496
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: to Oregon via Florida State. Has never called plays and

497
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: been like the guy at offensive coordinator. But I think

498
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: there is something about getting away from the expectations and

499
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: that fish Bowl, given that he was a legacy at Auburn,

500
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Speaker 1: the expectations were what they were given the win over Oregon,

501
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: the win over Alabama, if you remember behind two pick six,

502
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: is that Auburn was able to generate. But at the

503
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Speaker 1: same time, I think there is something about the expectations

504
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: at Oregon are be good, win a bunch of games,

505
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: but not be the perfect all time player, given that

506
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: he was the number one recruit for Auburn and was

507
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: that legacy. So I think it's set up given where

508
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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve is, especially the PAC twelve. North Washington

509
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: new coach Wazoo, new full time coach Kala has been down.

510
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: Stanford has been super down. Oregon State is interesting, but

511
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, crazy talented. That defense is a

512
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: long ways away, So I think just in terms of

513
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Speaker 1: the defenses he'll be facing and the offenses the offense

514
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Speaker 1: around him, I think it's a good spot.

515
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: Now.

516
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: They do open with Georgia, a different looking Georgia team

517
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Speaker 1: who's down. Like everybody from the National championship team other

518
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: than Stetson Bennett. So they do open with Georgia, so

519
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: we'll learn a lot pretty quickly. But yeah, I have

520
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: faith that he can look more like what he did

521
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: in three of those four final games of twenty twenty

522
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Speaker 1: one than what he's looked like in some of his

523
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: more down moments, namely, God that the Georgia game in

524
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: the A and M game last year come to mind.

525
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Speaker 1: So my faith that he will be pretty good, not amazing,

526
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: pretty good.

527
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Speaker 2: They just go with Ty Thompson.

528
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Speaker 1: I think you know the answer. If they're going after

529
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: a big name quarterback transfer he's not ready or he's

530
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: not good enough. I don't know.

531
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Speaker 2: I don't think bo Nicks is the answer. I'm going flop. Okay,

532
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: I've seen the light on bow Nicks. I've seen what

533
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: he brings to the equation. I think he's improved. Yeah,

534
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: I think he was improved for sure this past season.

535
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: But if you compare him to what they had, like,

536
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: is this Anthony Brown? What they had when? Is this

537
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Brown with maybe fewer interceptions and a little less speed.

538
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: I think he's very similar to Anthony Brown in terms

539
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: of strengths and weaknesses. Right playmaker, And that's why pologized

540
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: do you want more of that? Do you think that's

541
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: a good thing. Look, if you pulled Oregon fans and said,

542
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: do you want a better version of Anthony Brown? Oregon

543
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: fans say, yep.

544
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: Cool, fine, Anthony Brown beat Ohio State on the road.

545
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: Or Ohio State on the road.

546
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.

547
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: I just didn't.

548
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: This didn't make sense to me. It didn't make sense

549
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: to me. I get it. Maybe you play a year

550
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: under Brian Harson, you get hurt, you have an opportunity

551
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: to go elsewhere. The previous relationship, right, Like, all these

552
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: things factor in. It's it's more of a complex decision

553
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: that might meet the eye. But this is one I

554
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: don't get. I don't know. If I were an Oregon fan,

555
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: I would want no part of Boenicks.

556
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, we just agree.

557
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Next name Michael Pennix junior. Michael Penick junior transfers away

558
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: from Indiana, is going to Washington. The reason I presume

559
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: he is going to Washington is because Michael Penix had

560
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: his breakout season under the tutelage of one Kaylin de

561
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: Boor when he was coordinating the offense for Tom Allen

562
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: in Indiana. Kaylen de Boor since moved on to Fresno

563
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: and now was named the head football coach Washington Dan. Yeah,

564
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: the question is this The question is is reuniting with

565
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Klin de Bor going to be enough to turn Michael

566
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: Pennix's career round in any great way or is this

567
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: just a convenient connection that got to transfer to Washington

568
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: from Indiana but ultimately is going to be a flop.

569
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Speaker 1: I think it's closer to the latter. I think at

570
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: his best he's a very good quarterback, but the combination

571
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: of inconsistencies and just getting hurt a lot, I just

572
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: I have him down as a flop. I know it's

573
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: going to sound like an organ fan assessing Washington's quarterback situation.

574
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: As such, I think he can be very good, but again,

575
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: it's where we're all choosing to remember the dive against

576
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: Penn State that won the game and what he was

577
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: able to do against Ohio State, and not the totality

578
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: of his career. So I have him down as a flop.

579
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Speaker 1: You can file this away as happy to be wrong

580
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: about it, because it would be a very cool story

581
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: to see his career rejuvenated. But I just think there's

582
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: a reason why he couldn't get it together in Indiana

583
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: and going to a program like Washington, I don't know

584
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: if that's a difference maker in a first year system,

585
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: losing what they do on the offensive line and a

586
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: really down situation at receiver. I like Jayalen McMillan, but

587
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: otherwise I don't know. I don't. I don't think this

588
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: receiving corps is gonna, you know, improve the play of

589
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback and make him look better than he actually is.

590
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'm inclined to go faith here, and

591
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: it's it's because the starting points a little bit different.

592
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: Pennix was hurt, Yeah, and I think the times that

593
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: we saw him this past season, he was bad. He

594
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: was really bad.

595
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: That's a problem. That's a problem.

596
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Right. He's inconsistent, and the injury bug has definitely gotten

597
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: him more than once in some pretty severe ways, which

598
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: sucks for him because he's clearly a playmaker. I have

599
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: faith that reuniting with Kaylen de boor hopefully being put

600
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: in a situation where maybe there's some more talent.

601
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: He might not even start these will sam Hewart the

602
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future.

603
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel like he will be put in

604
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: a situation where they're not asking too much of him,

605
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: if at all. And so from that standpoint, I have

606
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: faith that if nothing more for Washington, it's a way

607
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: to build some depth on the depth chart. It's a

608
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: playmaker who you know has moxie late in the game,

609
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: somebody who's done that time and again, I agree with you.

610
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to necessarily look to plug

611
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: it play make him the starter from day one. But

612
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: if you're Kaylen de boor if you could bring in

613
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: a guy that you know from your previous stint, if

614
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: you know that you can put him on the depth

615
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: chart and at least have something serviceable to go to,

616
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a bad thing. So I have

617
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: faith that this is an okay move, even if it's

618
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: not a headliner. All right, next, QB kea din' Keaton

619
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Speaker 2: Slovis is moving on from USC. He's going to Pitt.

620
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: Pitt of course, is going to be without can He Pickett.

621
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: Can He Pickett presumably going to be a first round

622
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: draft pick, had a great year. Yep, this is an

623
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: interesting move, Dan, isn't it?

624
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense now Pitt down,

625
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't really care that much about Mark Whipple. He

626
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: goes to Nebraska and hiring a new offensive coordinator. I

627
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: believe they re brought in Frank Signette Signetti from Boston

628
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: College who was at Pitt a while back, and he

629
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: takes over there. I think I have this as a fit.

630
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: I have a keyten Slova situation is by low. I'd

631
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: never liked the USC offense, especially when they were in

632
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: full pack it up, packet in mode, probably the entirety

633
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: of these past two years really, but seriously, this last

634
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: year obviously, I think a fresh start and he's making

635
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: the Max Brown move from USC to Pitt. But Blennikoff

636
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: guy and Jordan Addison, Jared Wayne, like the offensive line,

637
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I believe returns intact, if not mostly intact. Like I

638
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: think everything is there for Keaton Slova is to just

639
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: exhale and just bomb it downfield like he was able

640
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to connect to Drake London in that way. I don't

641
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: think there's any reason he can't spread the ball around

642
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: unless he is the like locks in too much on

643
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: one guy type of quarterback. But I think everything is there,

644
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: especially with the where Pitt's defense should be. Once again,

645
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: I think I think he's going to be a really

646
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: nice addition. He's not gonna be Kenny Pickett, but he's

647
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: going to be a I think, a worthwhile approximation of

648
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: what Kenny Pickett was able to do last year.

649
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: I like the move. Yeah, I like the move a lot,

650
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: especially given the track record with Pat and Ardoozy and defense.

651
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: Now that being said, qualified defense whatever reason. By the way,

652
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: as whenever Pitt's defense was really good, offense was a nightmare.

653
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: I know.

654
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Whatever Pitt's offense was pretty like James Connor Nate Peterman impressive,

655
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: defense was weirdly below average.

656
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: That was gonna be my point. Yeah, that was gonna

657
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: be my point from this past season. I wouldn't say

658
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: it was below average, but there were qualities to the

659
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: defense that were very asymmetric. Right. It wasn't through and

660
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: through a back wall like we've seen in some points

661
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: in the past with patn Ardezy. But all that being said,

662
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: I think he can swow the steps into a situation

663
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: with Pitt where you could pretty much make an assumption

664
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: from day one the defense will be better than what

665
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: he had at SC because the SC defense was very soft.

666
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: That was mister softy soft. So it will be a

667
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: different situation. I think that will put him in a

668
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: situation where he doesn't have to do it all right,

669
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: and he's got talent on offense. The Jordan Addison thing,

670
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: just having him on your team it's a big deal.

671
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: They'll find ways to run the ball. I think it's

672
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: a really nice landing spot for him. It really seems

673
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: like it makes a lot of sense. So I like

674
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: this one. I've also got it down as a fit.

675
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Can you play the fit sound just to remind me

676
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: what that sounds like. It just feels good to hear

677
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: that sound, nosonic tones bouncing around in your ear.

678
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: So we agree, I go to another quarterback, Ty, how

679
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: about that? Why don't we go Dylan Gabriel at Oklahoma?

680
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: Are we as enthusiastic? Even more enthusiastic?

681
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Now?

682
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma certainly down Caleb Williams. Don't know where he's going,

683
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: so he's not included in this at the time of recording,

684
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: for sure, but also down Mario Williams. Now they keep

685
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: their offensive line coach and Bill beat in bow Bed

686
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: and bow beat and bow who is as well regarded

687
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: as any offensive line coach in the country. Presumably defense

688
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: will improve. Dylan Gabriel really impressive track record of bombing

689
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: it downfield, especially with Josh Hypel when he was the

690
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: head coach there in Orlando, a UCF. Dylan Gabriel, to me,

691
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: feels as turn key as it gets, even with last

692
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: year's down ish offensive line. I just there is something

693
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: about his game that I think is going to translate

694
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: really really well to the Big twelve in Oklahoma, just

695
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: with a new coach knew, you know, with Jeff Lebby. Like,

696
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: I just I think so many of the pieces are there.

697
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that they necessarily have the depth of

698
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: talent at receiving O. Mario Williams moves on to USC,

699
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: but Marvin Mims still there. I just I don't know, man,

700
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm just in on it. I'm a little coming off

701
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: a collarbone injury. I get that too.

702
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little concerned on two fronts. Okay, for me,

703
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: the ANSWER's faith. This is not going to be a flop.

704
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: I just don't have enough information to know for sure

705
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: that it's going to be a fit. I think Dylan

706
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Gabriel is very good. I am concerned about the injuries

707
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned the collarbone. I'm also concerned about what this

708
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: team looks like on offense. Sure, Brent Vannable's first time

709
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: head coach, brings over Jeff Lebby. We know about the

710
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: previous relationship between him and Gabriel that obviously played a

711
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: big part of the reason why he ended up there

712
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: in Norman. But given the transfers, given the fact that

713
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: they're kind of starting over, they've got the line, which

714
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: is a good place to land if you're a quarterback.

715
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: But we just we sort of don't know what it's

716
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: going to look like. I feel like there will probably

717
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: be some growing pains early for Oklahoma. I hope I'm wrong.

718
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, the talent is still even given the transfers,

719
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of talent there. This is not

720
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: a situation where they're bleeding out. They'll be just fine

721
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: long term. But I just don't feel like I have

722
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: enough information to sit here and say fit. It feels like, fait,

723
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I have a great deal of faith that this is

724
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: a good move. It seems like though Oklahoma will look

725
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: very different next year, that they will still be very good.

726
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: But to what extent is it a pure fit like

727
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: a glove Like this is more of a faith based

728
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: play for me? Right?

729
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Now here are the defenses that Dylan Gabriel presumable presume

730
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: starter for Oklahoma will be facing in twenty twenty two

731
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: if he is the guy starting the job at quarterback

732
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: UTEP Kent State Nebraska should be difficult. Kansas State at home.

733
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: We'll see at TCU they were atrocious last year and

734
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: have a new coach. Texas of course in the Cotton

735
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: Bowl that was an atrocious defense. You could throw in

736
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: Texas a good amount. Maybe they'll be improved this year.

737
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Kansas at Iowa State should be good but lose a

738
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: good chunk of players. Baylor should be improved. At West Virginia,

739
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: we'll see. Oklahoma State with a new coordinator, we'll see.

740
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: I think it's Derek Mason is the presumed or announced

741
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: name for Oklahoma State taking over there and the Texas

742
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Tech defense under new ownership and guidance. So in terms

743
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: of killers that doesn't exist in the non conference portion

744
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: of the schedule, I think it's set up to succeed

745
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: pretty well.

746
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, counterpoint to everything I just said. Yeah, Dylan Gabriel's

747
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: played twenty six games of college football over three years,

748
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: seventy touchdowns to just fourteen interceptions, a sixty percent a

749
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: slightly north of sixty percent completion percentage. The kids got it.

750
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean he's very of course, he's very, very good.

751
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: And so if you're Oklahoma, it hurts to lose Caleb Williams.

752
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: By the way, we can't give that a faith or

753
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: a fit or a flopper or anything, because we don't

754
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: know where he's going. We presume USC, but we don't

755
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: know that for sure yet, right, But to have that

756
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: kind of productivity coming into Norman, you will take that,

757
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: and anybody will take that. USC or US UCLA excuse me,

758
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: thought they had that before he untransferred to UCLA and

759
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: decided to go to dormant.

760
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly. How many programs would be improved by adding

761
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel atop their quarterback depth chart? Pretty much nine

762
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: of them, if not more at least. Yeah, So yeah,

763
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: total fit to me, Where do you want to go next?

764
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Quinn yours?

765
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that.

766
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: Quinn viewers transfers after one season from Ohio State, goes

767
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: to his native state of Texas, signs on with Steve Sarkesian.

768
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: He was previously the number one overall recruit. He committed early.

769
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: He signed on early with Ohio State. It seemed as if,

770
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: given what happened with CJ. Stroud, the writing was on

771
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: the wall fairly early that quin Ewers was going to

772
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: be looking for a new destination. He has made it official.

773
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: He is going to Texas. Now Texas at the quarterback

774
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: position in year one under Steve Sarkisian was a very

775
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: interesting story to tell. We saw a little bit of

776
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: Hudson Card early, we saw a lot of Casey Thompson later,

777
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: we saw more of Hudson Card throughout the course of

778
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: the season. Clearly none of them were really the answer.

779
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was any of their fault specifically,

780
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: but Casey Thompson has decided that he's going elsewhere. We

781
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: can talk about him later in this she.

782
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Was beat up. I think he heard his thumber his

783
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: hand or something.

784
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But he has since decided to go to Nebraska.

785
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: Hudson Card, I guess still there. But quin Yours, I

786
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: think presumably will be your day one starter.

787
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: Likely.

788
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: Quin Viewers comes with much acclaim, being so he was

789
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: the number one overall recruit, being so, he is from

790
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: the great state of Texas. He steps into a role

791
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: now where he's got a good running back around him.

792
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: He's got I think a breakout a standout wide receiver

793
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: in Xavier.

794
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: Worthy, Isaiah nay or Noah Nyer coming in from Wyoming

795
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: was one of the big name receiver transfers to as well. Yep.

796
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: Continue sorry, So it's a good setup for quinn Ewers,

797
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: provided that Steve Sarkisian can find a way to get

798
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: that offense playing a a little bit harder. There were

799
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: moments where they were very softest past year yep. And

800
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: secondly more consistently. What do you think about this quin

801
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: Ewers move? Do you like it? Do you have faith?

802
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: Do you think it's fit? You think it's a flop?

803
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I have faith because I've never seen him throw a

804
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: pass in college football, So I can't say, like, oh,

805
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: Adrian Martinez has done this at Nebraska, Casey Thompson has

806
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: done this at Texas, Dylan Gabriel, Michael p. You can't

807
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: have anything but faith because you have no idea what

808
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: quin yours is like in a major college football game.

809
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: So I have faith. I have positive faith, I have

810
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: advanced faith. Whatever you want to say that he is

811
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: going to be a successful guy. Because of Sark's background

812
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and developing quarterbacks because of his av or worthy. My

813
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: issue is, I guess the issue for Texas offensive line

814
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: now they hit it really, really hard in this recruiting class,

815
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: highlighted by Kelvin Banks, who decommitted from Oregon when Mario

816
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: Christabaul left and he's from Texas, He's going to be

817
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: in line for significant playing time I assume as a

818
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: five star freshman offensive line, but they just the depth

819
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: of the class at offensive line is quite impressive in Austin.

820
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't have the faith that that issue is getting solved,

821
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 1: at least in the first half of twenty twenty two.

822
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: So my faith is he is good enough to overcome it.

823
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Man quarterback was an issue last

824
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: year it's hard to ignore. Or the offense was an issue.

825
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: We talked about the defense needing a lot of help

826
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: and Gary Patterson coming in or whatever. You look at

827
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: those stretches of three and outs last year against good

828
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: teams against not so good teams like the Texas offense

829
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: was very hot and cold. So my faith is that

830
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: it will be improved with a full off season of

831
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: figuring out, you know, what went wrong. But at the

832
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: same time, I don't know. I mean Quin you were,

833
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: is enrolled early. He is like an actual true freshman

834
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: by age right now or whatever, by experience. So I

835
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: guess it's going to be successful. But I just I'm

836
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: not ready to pencil it in like I am with

837
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: somebody like Dylan Gabriel so or even Ketan Slovas. So

838
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm faith. I'm faith given his physical talent and what

839
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: the ceiling could be given Steve Steven Sarcasian, Steve Sarkisian's background,

840
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: But no, I'm not full fit.

841
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: It's not going to be a flop. I don't believe.

842
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: So it's not going to be a flop. And I

843
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: think if you're a Texas fan, that makes you feel

844
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: the best. What you're looking for, I suppose is a

845
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: guy who can come in and take you to another level.

846
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: But frankly, I don't know if quarterback has been the

847
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: problem at Texas. Right, you'll, of course take the number

848
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: one overall recruit the quarterback that the kid from you know,

849
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: the same state, like you'll take Quinn yours. Of course,

850
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: you'll take quin yours, and I think he will give

851
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: them more upside for sure. He presumably is a much

852
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: better prospect than Hudson Card and Casey Thompson. I'm not

853
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: telling you folks out there anything you don't already know, right,

854
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: that's obvious. But I guess to your point, the question

855
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: is what happens around him? What happens around him, because

856
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: in this sort of long wait for Texas to be

857
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: quote unquote back, it's become apparent that the problem it's

858
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: broader than just one position. All right, you got to

859
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: get better on the lines, you got to get better

860
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: on defense, you got to get better at tackling in

861
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: the open field. They've struggled with that, sure now for

862
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: the last five years, right, maybe longer. So I have

863
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: faith that this will be a good move. But to

864
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: your point, we don't have the past productivity in yours

865
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: the way we do with a Dylan Gabriel, the way

866
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: that we do with a bon Nicks. Even you know,

867
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: we know what we have with Bonnicks, but we still

868
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: don't really know what we have with Pennyrs. We've got

869
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot of great tape from high school, and we've

870
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: got some footage of him practicing in college, but beyond that,

871
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: it's really a leap of faith, and I think to

872
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: label it as anything other than that is sort of

873
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: being irresponsible.

874
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: I'll take exception with one thing you said. I think

875
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: quarterback has been an issue for Texas. It has been

876
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: an issue. It's an issue, right, it goes deeper than quarterback.

877
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: But you watch what the Iowa State game last year,

878
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: watched the West Virginia game last year. You watched the

879
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: TCU game last year. You watched the second half of

880
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Like. There were quarterback issues. They were like

881
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: even the back part, there were stretches of Sam Ellinger's time.

882
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: We're just like slowly developing shallow cross. That's what we're

883
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: settling for in every big spot. That was an issue,

884
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that was an absolute issue.

885
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: It was an issue. But looking back to the Ellnger era,

886
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: part of the issue was also that you'll recall the

887
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: last year of Tom Herman. They didn't use the John Robinson.

888
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: At all, not as much as they should have.

889
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: They didn't use them at all. They used them late,

890
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: they didn't use them enough early, and there was a

891
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: lot of speculation like, hey, if we just give this

892
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: kid the ball thirty times a game, where would that

893
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Texas program have been? Would they have moved on from

894
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: Herman at all? I think a big part of the

895
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: reason why, and you're right to point out Ellinger big

896
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: part of the reason why that didn't work was because

897
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: the offense was entirely based around what he could do

898
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: for them. Right if he didn't have it, they weren't

899
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: going to win. This is the way the system was

900
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 2: set up. And I don't think we saw quite that

901
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: level of asymmetry in the offense, if you will, this

902
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: past year, like they tried to be a little bit

903
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: more balanced, but for sure there were quarterback issues. It's

904
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: just not solely dependent on the quarterback. When we asked

905
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: this question, is Texas going to be back next year?

906
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: There's just a lot going on. It's going to take

907
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: a little bit. Quinn yours can be a big part

908
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: of the solution there, for sure, totally, and I hope

909
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: that he will be for Texas fans, but I think

910
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: it would be unfair to say that, you know, it's

911
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: all depending on him to get them back to that

912
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: promised land. Now, the counterpoint to making the fit argument

913
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: is if Quinn yours, if you are to believe that

914
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: quin Yours is in fact the super nova that he

915
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: has a value been evaluated to be in terms of

916
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: raw talent, that rises everything, that brings everything up around you.

917
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: Like you look at the issues that Clemson now has

918
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: that we didn't really see when Trevor Lawrence was there.

919
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: When you are so good a quarterback, when you are

920
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: so confident and so talented and so ready for this level,

921
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: when you are ready for the moment, the offensive lind

922
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 2: issues don't mean as much. The receiver issues don't mean

923
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: as much if you throw an exceedingly catchable and perfect

924
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: ball in thride in stride, excuse me in an anticipatory

925
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: way that if he is that super nova, which I

926
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: just we don't have reason fully to believe yet, because

927
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: Clemson was a much more finished product when Trevor Lawrence arrived,

928
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: especially at receiver, then quin yours is an absolute white

929
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: club fit.

930
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: He's ready to roll. But I'm just not there. I'm

931
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: just not there. But I could understand why Texas could

932
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: still have the issues, some of which on offense, that

933
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: they've had, and he is so incredible that it doesn't

934
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: fully matter.

935
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: That's the thing, by the way, that can happen and

936
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: does happen all the time in college. Yeah, as we're

937
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: recording this, the NFL playoffs are going on, and there

938
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: are plenty of standouts on all of the teams, all

939
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: four of the teams remaining. But you can't just do

940
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: it all, even if you're Patrick Mahomes, Like, you can't

941
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: just singularly win a game because you are a supreme

942
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: talent in the NFR, at least not to the same

943
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: extent that you can in college.

944
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes lost that game, by the way, right that

945
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: he and Baker Mayfield had the duel. Yeah, right, it

946
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: was like some sort of like seven hundred total yards

947
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: in a losing effort. He ended up losing that game. So, yeah,

948
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: your point is a white one.

949
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: But in college, in college, you can have that stand

950
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: out who can absolutely elevate the quality of your program.

951
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's why we said Nick Foles in

952
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: a losing effort, Right, there is a ceiling, it can

953
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: be capped. But man, yeah, it's tantalizing.

954
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Let's talk about Max Johnson.

955
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: Oh this I went back. I could have gone make

956
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: the case for all three on this one. I love it.

957
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk Max Johnson has decided, son of former NFL

958
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: quarterback Brad Johnson, HM, the lefty, the south Paul kind

959
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: of slender decided he is moving on from LSU. He

960
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: is taking his talents to college station in Texas A

961
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: and M. So this is part of a weird carousel

962
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: of quarterback transfers because Texas A and M had their

963
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: own quarterback, their backup quarterback, but their starter for a

964
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: good chunk of the season. After Haines King went down,

965
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: Zach Calzada transferring to Auburn, meaning there is something of

966
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: an opening, at least the temporary opening in college station.

967
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 2: Max Johnson decides he is leaving LSU. He is going

968
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: to college station in Texas A and M. Instead. Now,

969
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: you and I I feel like we've locked horns a

970
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: bit over this move. I don't think Max Johnson's that good, right,

971
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: and that kind of underpins my entire argument here. But

972
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: that being said, it's a good situation at Texas A

973
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: and M. There's a lot of talent around him. At

974
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: Texas A and M. They're about to sign the best

975
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: college football recruiting class in the history of college football

976
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: recruiting classes. Yeah, pretty good landing place. And you've got

977
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: a guy in Jimba Fisher who's been atop the mountain before.

978
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: He knows how to coach quarterbacks. It just feels like

979
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: across the board. My opinion of Max Johnson aside, you

980
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: are stepping foot into a very stable situation, which I

981
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 2: think is a transfer. As a transfer, that's a pretty

982
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: good place to be.

983
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean A and M is almost as good

984
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: as Arkansas Mississippi State. Now with authority, with confidence, I

985
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: can say that now this look, Texas A and M

986
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: was knocking on the door of the playoff a year

987
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: and a half ago. So I am I'm fully ready

988
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: to say that A and M is a more stable

989
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: situation than LSU, that the quarterback situation in terms of coaching,

990
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, a Nia Smith like, there

991
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: are guys on the field that can make place. Question

992
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: is is Max athletic enough and does he have the

993
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: arm to overcome? I think Texas A and M finished

994
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: in the hundreds in terms of pressure rate allowed. The

995
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: offensive line was at times pretty suspect for the Aggies

996
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: last year. If there was a weakness to that offense,

997
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: it was there. Same can be said of LSU and

998
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Max Johnson struggled beyond that line a lot a lot

999
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: of pressure situations at LSU. That is Max Johnson able

1000
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: to ascend to and I'm using physical traits here. I

1001
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's a one to one analog. Like could

1002
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: he be the best of Alex Hornybrook right that lefty?

1003
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: Who is accurate enough, who can lean on the running game?

1004
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Who can lean on Maybe not the running games? Not there,

1005
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: but like the athleticism at receiver and the creativity of

1006
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, which I know a lot of A

1007
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: and M fans were kind of displeased with the play

1008
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: calling last year. Like is Max Johnson talented enough to

1009
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: take what I think will be better coaching in a

1010
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: more solid situation to merely be impressively above average. I'm

1011
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: not there. I'm not there. I have it as a flop.

1012
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: Wow wow, I would. I mean, if I want the

1013
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: best of Max Johnson, I want everything around him to

1014
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: be ideal, which is what I think Alex Hornybrook had

1015
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: at his best in Madison, handing the ball off to

1016
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: who he was handing it off to behind the line

1017
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: he was behind when the arm talent isn't necessarily there

1018
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: and the athleticism isn't fully there, He's kind of a

1019
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: playmaker and improviser. I don't know, not for me.

1020
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: The situation, I again I'm not the biggest fan of

1021
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: Max Johnson, right, I was initially. I was initially so

1022
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: when when they turned it over to him, I guess

1023
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: towards the latter half of twenty twenty amid the COVID year,

1024
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: he clearly showed flashes of being a big game quarterback.

1025
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Like there were moments, sure in that first season for

1026
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: him where he was really good and he got the

1027
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: job done, and there was a lot of discussion about

1028
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 2: does this kid of an X factor? Right, he doesn't

1029
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: have the arm talent, he doesn't there there are some

1030
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: moments like Bryant Moni's style shocks that he's floating out there,

1031
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: which as long as he puts the ball on time

1032
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: and where it needs to be, that's fine. But that

1033
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: concerns me in the sec It just it just does. Yeah,

1034
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: a lot of quick cornerbacks. I I don't know, I

1035
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: know how I feel about that. But nonetheless, he I

1036
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: think can win games. I think putting him in a

1037
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: good situation where if you're not looking on him to

1038
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: win the game solely for you, if you can rely

1039
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: on him to be an effective game manager, to move

1040
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: the ball around, put it where it needs to be.

1041
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: I think he can be very effective. I'm not going

1042
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 2: to say flop. Yeah, I'm not gonna say flop. There

1043
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: is some measure of faith and fit here, and depending

1044
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: on which way the wind blows, I could be convinced

1045
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: of either. But I think I think it's a fit,

1046
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: if only because the situation is so good that as

1047
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: long as you're not putting a total disaster in that circumstance,

1048
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: I think it works. Like if you told me instead

1049
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: of Max Johnson, we're gonna put Bo Nicks in that offense,

1050
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: I would hate it. Okay, I don't think that offense

1051
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: needs Bonext. I think the offense needs somebody who's not

1052
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: gonna shoot themselves in the foot. Can Max Johnson do that?

1053
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: I think so. I think he can.

1054
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: I don't like using a positive negative as an attribute.

1055
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: You're like, is he good enough to not do this?

1056
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: Give me some more electricity behind your confidence? I don't know.

1057
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: But but isn't that's not a same sign?

1058
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: No, it's not a great line. But isn't that the

1059
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: same type of argument that we were making going into

1060
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: the National Championship with Stetson Bennett.

1061
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: No, Stetson Bennett made plays downfield. He was athletic. He

1062
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: took advantage of an offense that was talented and you

1063
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: know has NFL offensive lineman and even core that was

1064
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: certainly beat up. But he was able to be more

1065
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: than a game manager.

1066
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: He was. But going into that game, Dan, we were

1067
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: talking about is he good enough to not throw interceptions?

1068
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: Is he good enough to not make the big mistake?

1069
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: Because in each of his previous games against Alabama that

1070
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: was his undoing right Is he good enough to not

1071
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: do those things? In the championship he was good enough they.

1072
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: Near the end. Yes, he finished a lot stronger than

1073
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: he started and was cruising at altitude.

1074
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: With So is Max Johnson good enough to not implode

1075
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 2: the offense? Is I think what I'm asking? I think

1076
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: he can be, But.

1077
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: I think the expectations at Texas A and M are

1078
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: such that you need a lot more than just replacement level.

1079
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and that's that's sort of the

1080
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: hang up for me. So I understand the rationale for fit.

1081
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a straight up flop, but I

1082
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: do you feel like, more than anything, I just have faith.

1083
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: I have faith that he's going into a good situation

1084
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: and that because of that, it will work.

1085
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: But like but who? But who is that? Who? Like?

1086
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: Is it the best of Kellen mand through the air?

1087
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: Kell who was solid? But like it was it was

1088
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: much more. The contribution with Kellen Mond was like the

1089
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: totality of his athleticism and ability to change the game

1090
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: with both his legs and his arm at times. Like

1091
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: he didn't have a high ceiling as a passer though,

1092
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: and he did. Max Johnson can't move like Kellen Mond.

1093
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: No, No, I I don't know, man, I I have

1094
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: I have faith that it's a good circumstance that they're

1095
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: putting him into. But you know, you recall, Yeah, when

1096
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: they announced this move, I was like, I don't.

1097
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: Know, would you be pumped if Max Johnson was going

1098
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame?

1099
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: No? Okay, No, I wouldn't.

1100
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: Okay, that was dramatic.

1101
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: I liked that.

1102
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: No, who do you want to go to? Who's tantalizing

1103
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: to you? Next? I've got it, I've got a polarizing name.

1104
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: How about Adrian Martinez at Kansas State? Adrian Martinez at

1105
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: Kansas State. Yeah, I really.

1106
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: Want Adrian Martinez to work out somewhere, Okay, I feel

1107
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: like he has taken a lot of lumps at Nebraska.

1108
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: A lot of lumps at Nebraska, sure, and some of

1109
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: the criticism that has been directed towards him has not

1110
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: been his fault. Right, talk about a complex scenario, like

1111
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: I said with Texas, Right, it's not all just on

1112
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: one position. Clearly at Nebraska, it's not all on quarterback.

1113
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: It's just not There's a lot going on there. But

1114
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: Adrian Martinez has been somewhat inconsistent. He has shown flashes

1115
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: of being a great playmaker, and at the same time,

1116
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: he has shown a propensity to make the dumb mistake.

1117
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: Screw it, quintuple coverage, screw it, Let's do it right,

1118
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: And part of that, part of that makes him exciting

1119
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: to watch, but it's also frustrating that I've also done

1120
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: some injuries there. What I kind of like about this is,

1121
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: if you want to go to a place where it's

1122
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: not going to be about raw playmaking, it's not going

1123
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: to be about fit, I'm thrown into quittupple coverage. If

1124
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: you're going to go to a place where they're basically

1125
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: going to try and strip you down to the studs

1126
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: and we're going to play sort of vanilla football, and

1127
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: we're going to play strong fundamental football. Kansas State with

1128
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: Chris Climban is sort of that program.

1129
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: Isn't it.

1130
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: Well, they're that program with Skyler Thompson. That what when

1131
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson inevitably got hurt when he did and they

1132
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: turned to Will Howard, it was just stripped down to

1133
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: the studs. There wasn't the build back up. Maybe that

1134
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: was a Will Howard thing. And I just I'm at faith,

1135
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm at like hesitant faith. I think that the more

1136
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: stability that's there. But my issue is how many years

1137
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: do you into Martinez experience are we And when Nebraska's winning,

1138
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: when they need to ice a game, when they need

1139
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: to come back down three and drive you know, sixty

1140
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: eight yards with two and a half minutes left, that

1141
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: agrian Martinez is still like making the absolute wrong decision

1142
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: in an advantageous moment. And how does that get better

1143
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: in a less open offense and a less quarterback friendly

1144
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: offense than what Nebraska is operating within. And I know

1145
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: the limitations of Nebraska's offense right the shaky offensive line development,

1146
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, all the receivers leaving. I understand all of that,

1147
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: but he's not transferring to a turn key offense He's

1148
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: not transferring to an offense that's a quarterback away. He's

1149
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: transferring to an offense that was built around a tiny,

1150
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: mighty incredible running back. And sure there should be play

1151
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: action opportunities because of it, but they're not developing NFL

1152
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: receivers every year. Like it's just I don't know. It

1153
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: seems to me that Kansas State is much more built

1154
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: for a Skyler Thompson, solid if not unspectacular type quarterback,

1155
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: and Adrian Martinez is more much more of like that

1156
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: wild card.

1157
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: That being said, though, yeah, they're the reason I think

1158
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: I'm inclined to say fit okay is because the offense,

1159
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: at least as I've come to know it under Skyler

1160
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: Thompson when he's been healthy, it very much runs through him.

1161
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 2: They're putting him in situations as a playmaker to either

1162
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: get free and make a play with his legs, or

1163
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: they're doing enough in the run game that it opens

1164
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: up a throw. In the passing game, Skyler Thompson this

1165
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: past season completed i want to say, close to seventy

1166
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: percent of his passes. But it was short stuff. It

1167
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: was just it was short styled. It was very kind

1168
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: of like conservative minded when it came to the passing game.

1169
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: And so I wonder if putting Adrian Martinez in a

1170
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: situation like that, or he's not necessarily looking to throw

1171
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: at forty yards down the field triple coverage, but at

1172
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: the same time he got a couple of checkdowns, here's

1173
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: here's your progression. I wonder if that puts him in

1174
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: more of an advantageous role where hey, if you want

1175
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: to go and do something with your legs, here you go.

1176
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you need to dump

1177
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: it off five yards over the middle, here's your option.

1178
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: Like I just I'm hopeful that the design of the

1179
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: offense will be advantageous to what we've seen from Amart

1180
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: over the last two years. I'm calling him Amart, now,

1181
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: why not calling him Amart?

1182
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Not to be composed with h Mart the wonderful Korean supermarket. Okay,

1183
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: So I say fit.

1184
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: I say it's a faithful a very faithful fit. It's

1185
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: a leap of faith to say that it's a fit.

1186
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: But so that you think he will be coached to

1187
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: the point where he is picking his spots, not trying

1188
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: to light the world on fire. That's the line for

1189
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: the moment.

1190
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: I would encourage everybody to just delete me saying this

1191
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: so that it just doesn't come back to haunt me

1192
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: in September.

1193
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: But I think you are who you are, and I've

1194
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: heard very good things about Adrian Martinez is a person.

1195
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: So hopefully it's just a situation.

1196
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like I I hate to do.

1197
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: I love doing these shows like this because it's it's

1198
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: people are interested in it. I hate doing shows like

1199
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: this not rooting against any of these kids, and especially

1200
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: everybody likes Adrian, but everybody, I was a wonderful kid.

1201
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: You want to root for him, played with like a

1202
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: jaw made of oatmeal by the end of life. Yeah,

1203
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what a warrior out there. So I

1204
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: want this to work. I feel like you can work.

1205
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: I hope it does work. A bit of a risk

1206
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: to say, fit, but.

1207
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: Should we do so? Should we rattle off some quickly?

1208
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: Let's rattle off some quickly.

1209
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Spencer rattler, I have as a fit. That's

1210
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: I think the culture is going to be better. I

1211
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: think a change is good for him. I know his

1212
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: reputation as a human is not the best and teammate

1213
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: is not the best. You know, being away from everybody

1214
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: when things weren't going his way and sort of sulking.

1215
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: I get all of that. I think the energy in

1216
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: Colombia will be good for him. I think I think

1217
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: Josh Van is back to carry and Joyner I believe

1218
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: his back. So there's talented receiver. They improved over the

1219
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: course of the second half. I don't know something about

1220
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: the energy there. Seems just like it's gonna work out

1221
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: that this is just a big piece that even if

1222
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: they only win, you know, the same a number of games, seven,

1223
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: eight games or whatever. Like, I think he is going

1224
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: to uh, he's going to be a big improvement over

1225
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: what they had and everybody will be happy with the results. Fit.

1226
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on.

1227
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: John Reese Plumbley back to quarterback for UCF and Gus

1228
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: Melson after losing the job to Mac crowdt All miss

1229
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: electric runner, good runner. I would presume that that's a

1230
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: decent offense for him. Yes, yeah, Gus Melson, Yep, I

1231
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: think fit. I'm going FIT.

1232
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: I like Fit.

1233
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm going fit. You don't necessarily need to be able

1234
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: to throw it forty times to win in the best

1235
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: of what Gus Malson's offense can be which we don't

1236
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: always see. It's been pretty inconsistent as a TV show.

1237
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: Cameron Ward Washington State, a man moving up from Incarnate Word,

1238
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: My Man, the FCS program to Washington State. Jake Dickert,

1239
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: new head coach for for Wazoo and a new level,

1240
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: an absolute new level, not just going to moving up

1241
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: to the FBS level, but to a Power five program.

1242
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Camera Ward, I love it.

1243
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: This is perhaps my favorite transfer.

1244
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: You're so, you're full fit.

1245
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm full fit.

1246
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1247
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: So a couple things to know about Camera Ward. I

1248
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: told you a couple of weeks ago. I went down

1249
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: a rabbit hole on YouTube. I watched every Camera Ward

1250
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: video on YouTube and beyond. He's a bigger kid. He's

1251
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: a bigger kid. He's like six three, two thirty ish,

1252
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: somewhere in that in that range. It's a big kid.

1253
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: He is not much of a runner, all right, not

1254
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 2: talking so much dual threat here, but right, that's a

1255
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: prolific passer. A prolific passer completed something like sixty five

1256
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: percent of his passes this past year for Incarnate Word

1257
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: level down but still yep, really good through for forty

1258
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns. This past year to just ten interceptions over

1259
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: forty six hundred yards passing. So look, maybe it's a

1260
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: bit of a stretch from the standpoint of he's jumping

1261
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: up levels, he's moving up, but there was a lot

1262
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: of steam on this kid when he entered the transfer

1263
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: portal and what he could bring to any team. Frankly,

1264
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 2: he's from Texas. Like I said, bigger kid, I just

1265
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: I love this move. So it's faith. It's a lot

1266
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: of faith. You're jumping. You're jumping from one division of

1267
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: college football to another, and that hasn't always worked, Okay,

1268
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: but I like it.

1269
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm all Jaden de Lara gone. So there's no net

1270
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: ja Arizona right to Arizona. I have it as a plot,

1271
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a I know, I know,

1272
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm a wet blanket. I think it's really difficult to

1273
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: move up a level like this and succeed without having

1274
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: seen what we saw. I mean, the real the reason

1275
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: why we haven't seen it a lot fcs at power

1276
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: five is it's super hard and coaches are not sure

1277
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: that this is a jump that can be a successful one.

1278
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: We saw Vernon Adams going from Eastern Washington Oregon, but

1279
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: we had already seen him bomb on in a good

1280
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: way on Pack twelve schools. Like I know, but take

1281
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: State in Washington this ride with me. I've already started

1282
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: workshopping calling him the warden. Please, okay, take this ride

1283
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: with me.

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Speaker 2: It will be fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good with you having literal faith and

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Speaker 1: calling him a fit.

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Speaker 2: The warden, the warden and pull him. How have you

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Speaker 2: looked at wazoos schedule? Let's move on, Let's go somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just and I mentioned Pack twelve defenses are not

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Speaker 1: crazy good. No, but I want to echo the legendary

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Speaker 1: football mind Dan Hawkins and paraphrase him when he was like,

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Speaker 1: this is this ain't rec league, this is a big

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Speaker 1: twelve powerfil football. And Week two, Washington State goes to

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Speaker 1: Camp Randall right, right, I get get Wisconsin, Oregon and

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Speaker 1: Cal's defense in the first five weeks, and say what

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01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: you will about Cal, but Justin Wilcox's ability to make

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01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks under and overthink to his advantage is kind of incredible.

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: Oregon should be very talented, especially with how they round

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Speaker 1: out whatever they do in the portal. You know they're

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Speaker 1: a little thin at secondary, but whatever. The defensive line

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Speaker 1: should be very good. This is not FCS football. Maybe

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Speaker 1: this is Oregon. Callen Whiskey.

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Speaker 2: The warden is coming to town.

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Speaker 1: He hear you. But if he is merely average or

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: below average and losses to those teams, that can set

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Speaker 1: you back mentally. And I'm rooting for it, but I

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: don't see it.

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Speaker 2: Two more here, very very quickly, let's what do you

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Speaker 2: think about Casey Thompson going in Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: I have it as a fit. I have it as

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Speaker 1: a fit. I think fresh start, I think quarterback friendly offense.

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Speaker 1: He had definite stretches that were unfortunate for Texas, and

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01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: he got hurt and everything like that. I will see

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Speaker 1: a receiver for the reasons that i've I've doubted other guys.

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Speaker 1: I still have some doubt there, but that's where I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He's thrown enough passes against high level competition and made

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01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: enough plays that with Scott Frost, as long as he

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Speaker 1: doesn't make disastrous throws, I think he'll be an improvement.

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Speaker 1: So I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it, Actually, I really like it. Final one

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: Zach Calzada. The Armada is sailing east over to Auburn.

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: Zach Calzada took over for Haines King. Haines King got

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: hurt for a and m Zach Calzada beating up Alabama.

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: He's got he's always got that to his name.

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: True, say what Bonix.

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Speaker 2: There were other there were other moments that were like,

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Speaker 2: this is the guy. I think he's a flop. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a Kalsada believer. I wasn't during the season. Yeah,

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm not now. I think he is a replacement level

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: college football quarterback. He's replacement level. Yeah, I think it's

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01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: a downgrade from bow Knicks frankly, and he's a guy

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: who's gonna give you fifty percent completion percentage, he's gonna

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01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: throw two interceptions a game. Yeah, maybe Brian Harrison can

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: strip him down to the studs to maybe some extent

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 2: like he did with Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, but talking new offensive coordinator from what the NFL, Right,

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Speaker 1: Mike Bubble moves on, which is fine, new quarterback, new

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Right, there's no baggage there, but.

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: No no bage. Maybe they can find some way to

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: strip his game down to make him less mistake prone.

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: We've seen that happen. It wouldn't be the first time

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01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: that's happened in college football. It happens all the time yep.

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: So to that extent, I have faith that they can

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01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: make him better. But I just feel like with what

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: we saw year one, for A and M have all

1346
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: that talent around you and still kind of leave a

1347
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: lot to be desired does not feel like a great

1348
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: circumstance to me. So I've got this as a flop.

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: So Auburn's current quarterback room and or at least additions

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: and conversations around because whatever, it's always fluid, But it's

1351
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: TJ Finley who I think at this point we know

1352
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: what we have in TJ. Finley as a Power five,

1353
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 1: higher power five level college quarterback, finishing out the season

1354
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: almost beating Alabama, and that very strange overtime should have

1355
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: gone for it, should have gone for it, But Brian Harson,

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: we wanted to play the TJ. Finley, Zach Halzada, and

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: I think Oregon's fourth string quarterback Robbie Ashford transferring in

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: who's from down there, who is certainly a much more

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: mobile option. I think played baseball dual sport guy as well.

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: I just I'm not there with the brain trust that

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: this is even a faith situation where were like, yep, this,

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: this situation is better now. The offensive line I think

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: improved over the course of last year. They're good at

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: running back obviously, that's a nice option that you know

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01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: you can key in on if you're a defense and

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: get some plays in play action if you're Auburn out wide.

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Receiver wasn't there last year and

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01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: they seem even thinner this year at receiver. I don't

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01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: have the depth cha in front of me. So maybe

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting somebody, But nobody's really jumping out to me

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: in terms of like obvious playmaker at receiver, like you

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: know Tank Bigsby and Jark West Hunter did last year

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: for Auburn. So ah, yeah, hopefully some some young quarterback

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: is the guy who emerges at some point in the season.

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01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: But I don't, I just I don't see it. I

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01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: think we know what we have and I think that

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: was a Zach hels Otto was in a better offensive

1378
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: situation at A and M and we kind of got

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: to see it.

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 2: So I would I would quite literally take everybody on

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01:12:55,640 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: this list over Zach kels Otto maybe outside everybody, No,

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: not Tommy DeVito not Jayden DeLaura or Jack Pete.

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito probably had a better season in twenty nineteen.

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean he was like nineteen touchdowns and four picks

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01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: and Syracuse I think it was twenty nineteen where they

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: won a bunch of games.

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Speaker 2: Right. There are exceptions here, okay, yeah, but not many,

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 2: not many, not many. Would I take Michael Pennox over

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: Zach Calzada?

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: What a weird place we're going to? Would use this

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Speaker 1: show on? For what team?

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: For Auburn?

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Speaker 1: Would I take Michael Pennox. I'm closing my eyes because

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01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: I really need to get to that place. If you're

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Speaker 1: watching this Unverballers dot com, Would I take Michael Pennox

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: at Auburn over Zach Calzotta. No, because of the injury history,

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 2: Not, But what about the talent?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just gonna flash the Ohio State game

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Speaker 1: and we're going to say that kind of defund I

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Speaker 1: don't think it defines it. I'm gonna say Calzado over Pennis.

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm probably team Calzada on that one.

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Speaker 2: But okay, okay, right in, let us know what you

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Speaker 2: think here about this again? As Dan just January Hater's

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Speaker 1: I love it, Thank you, thank you. I've been I've

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Speaker 1: been workshopping that for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Now, very good. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, uh C J. Verdell declared the Oregon

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Speaker 1: running back we mentioned him in that running back room

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Speaker 1: and Travis Dagon at usc SO C J. Verdell will

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Speaker 1: not be receiving the ball from Bonix.

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Speaker 2: It's all gonna be Bo Nix, all the time, Bo

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Speaker 2: Bono's Oregon Football for that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 2: friend Dan Rubinstein. From myself, Ty Hillebrandt, thank you so

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Speaker 1: Peace,