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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calia Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Taster with you. Glad to have you

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Speaker 2: with us. And we used to pay a whole lot

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Speaker 2: more attention to this when the Bills weren't going to

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's Senior Bowl week.

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Speaker 3: You almost forgot good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're down there and mobile doing their thing, all

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Speaker 2: those college prospects. And I know now they allow juniors

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Speaker 2: to participate. You know, if you're like a fourth year junior,

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Speaker 2: it's you don't have to be a senior to be

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Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And now the college football is a little bit like

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Speaker 3: the Wild West. I think they kind of relax those

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Speaker 3: rules because you know, with the transfer portal and nil

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Speaker 3: and juniors coming out and the guys going to college

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Speaker 3: for eight years now because of the twenty twenty thing,

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Speaker 3: a lot of that going on. So yeah that it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's college football. Then let them do what they.

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Speaker 2: Want, right, so they're there. There's also the East West

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Speaker 2: Shrine Game is this week, so both weeks, I mean

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Speaker 2: both college all star games taking place in the same week.

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Speaker 2: So East West Shrine, I think is in Dallas this year.

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Speaker 2: I think I gotta check on that. And Senior Bowls

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Speaker 2: always in Senior Bowls in mobile mobile. So yeah, prospects.

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Speaker 2: The pre draft process has begun in earnest, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it. Frisco Tech, I was close, Not Dallas,

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Speaker 2: it's in Frisco, Texas. The East West Shrine Game.

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Speaker 3: Frisco.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's that's what do you In case you didn't know, Steve,

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Speaker 2: that's the location of the Dallas Cowboys headquarters and retail

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Speaker 2: complex where they also have a twelve thousand seat stadium.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's right around the corner from them. That's

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Speaker 3: right where the Star is. Then right right around the

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Speaker 3: corner from the Star in Austin or not Arlington?

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Speaker 2: Arlington?

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Speaker 3: Okay, good.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 3: How do you decide if you're a college kid. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm overthinking this. Maybe it's just a paycheck. They pay

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Speaker 2: To go to these things. Yeah no, no, not even

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Speaker 2: with NIL. It's a oh well, if they have some

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Speaker 2: NIL deals. I'm sure if the NIL outfit wants some exposure,

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Speaker 2: they'll have their How do you decide to go certain things?

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Speaker 3: You want to go to the Senior Bowl or the

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Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl. I think senior bowls more established, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: The Senior Bowl, I don't know, is bigger and more

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Speaker 2: exposure than the East West Shrine by far right, by

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Speaker 2: far Yes, Yeah, you're on a national network, NFL networks

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Speaker 2: covering practice.

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Speaker 3: For gosh sakes, I didn't get invited to any of

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Speaker 3: that stuff when I was coming out anyways. I didn't

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Speaker 3: even get invited to the Combine when I. When I

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Speaker 3: came out, it was like the second year.

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Speaker 2: The Combine was like brand new. Yeah, eighty three I

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Speaker 2: think was the first year of the Combine.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I came out in eighty five, so he

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Speaker 3: had a couple of years, and yeah, I had no

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Speaker 2: Well, they probably only had like one hundred and fifty guys,

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Speaker 3: Well, now that they stretch it out over and they

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Speaker 3: bring guys in on different days, they had everybody in

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Speaker 3: on the same time, you know, like it was the

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Speaker 2: Receivers were rolling around in there. Wow.

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Speaker 3: You know, they just you know, they figured it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, found a better method for the madness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the pre draft process has begun and they're

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Speaker 2: already talking up certain guys here and there, different positions,

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Speaker 2: So we'll try to keep our ear to the ground

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Speaker 2: and let you know if anything pops up of major significance.

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Speaker 2: There are some quarterbacks there which always draw the eyeballs,

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Speaker 2: among them Washington's quarterback Michael Pennix. So yeah, if anything

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Speaker 2: it along. Bill's News on the day, former Bill's defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator Leslie Fraser is going to interview this week for

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Speaker 2: the dolphins vacant defensive coordinator position, so he and Bill's

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Speaker 2: linebackers coach Bobby Babbage among the candidates for that job,

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Speaker 2: along with a few others. There is a new addition

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Speaker 2: Athletics Diana Rossini reporting that Raven's associate head coach and

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Speaker 2: defensive line coach Anthony Weaver will interview for the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator job as well. He apparently also interviewed for

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Speaker 2: the Washington Commander's head coaching job yesterday, So Anthony Weaver

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Speaker 2: making the rounds. He's actually a former d line coach

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Speaker 3: I'm here, I remember that name. Yeah, I was none

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Speaker 2: And with the Senior Bowl going on, we're expecting a

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Speaker 2: lot of these positions to get filled. Because everybody's in

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Speaker 2: one place, it lends to quicker back and forth communication, negotiation,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. Because the Giants still haven't named a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's in the one place except you know, the

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Speaker 3: the East West Shrine Game.

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Speaker 2: Giants GM Joe Shane told reporters down in Mobile this

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Speaker 2: morning that they'll have their new defensive coordinator named by

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Speaker 2: the end of the week. Meanwhile, we go all the

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Speaker 2: their time hiring a defensive coordinator. They're still conducting interviews.

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Speaker 2: According to NFL Networks Sea and Rapaport, the Packers requested

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Speaker 2: to interview Raven's secondary coach Denard Wilson for their defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator position. The Washington Commander's officials are in Detroit today

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Speaker 2: to meet with Lyons offensive coordinator Ben Johnson and Lions

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn about their head coaching job. Seahawks

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Speaker 2: officials were in Detroit yesterday. Presumably they're only interested in

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson on the Detroit staff, and then Ravens defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator Mike McDonald is another candidate for that Seahawks job,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see what comes of that. And then the

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Speaker 2: Chargers finalized the deal to hire Joe Hortiz as the

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Speaker 2: new general manager to work with newly hired head coach

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. That took place late last night, so the

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Speaker 2: deal now official and Hortiz goes from working with John

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Speaker 3: I'll say this too, I was reading to Brownie all

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Speaker 3: the stories flying around every coach, assistant coach, including the coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Every coach on the Ravens defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 3: I'll say this too, and I one of the things

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Speaker 2: They were a number one defense in football this year,

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Speaker 2: so you understand why. I mean, even if you don't

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Speaker 3: Deal with it. And they did it with a new

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Speaker 2: According this might be the juiciest story of the bunch.

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Speaker 2: According to reports out of Boston, the Patriots are open

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Speaker 2: Like his head coach didn't even tell him. Now, we

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Speaker 2: But man, that's pretty bad. Your coach can't even tell

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a I don't I don't want to stoop

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Speaker 3: Are keeping myself from making a joke right now? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Mac Jones, it, I mean he this is a guy

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Speaker 2: One of the most successful rookie quarterback seasons in recent memory.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, maybe now Stroud has changed that recently, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean Mac Jones looked like, Okay, they're gonna be

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Speaker 3: And then this year again he's got Bill O'Brien and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's gonna be very interesting. But if I'm

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, you're drafting a quarterback anyway, probably provided the

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Speaker 2: board falls right for you, and Mac Jones is clearly

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Speaker 2: not part of your future anymore, so you might as

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Speaker 2: well move on from him. Somebody might want him as

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Speaker 2: a backup. You know, you could do a lot worse

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Speaker 2: you knew that that talent pool got stripped down to

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Speaker 3: You look the names on there, and I get it too.

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Speaker 3: They haven't They've struggled offensively, and they haven't gotten the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: You know they've got I mean, if you can get

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Speaker 3: They've got. Yeah, they've just got a long way to go.

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Speaker 3: It'd be interesting. Now, Gerrod Mayo is different than Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 2: Uh. We have a Bills top of a discussion for

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Speaker 2: up on the tweets sheet at one Bill's Live. How

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Speaker 2: it's because they had one of the older rosters in

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Speaker 2: How would a youth movement for the Bills roster this

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Speaker 3: Steve, I'm okay with it. I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: The point, right, because you've got a general manager with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would agree, That's exactly where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: the twenty two starters what last year they're brought back,

435
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Speaker 3: what eighteen or nineteen of them? Seventeen or eighteen of them? Anyway,

436
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Speaker 3: I think this year is gonna be what thirteen or fourteen.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a lot less. I mean, we could go

438
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Speaker 2: through them here, because I think it's safe to say

439
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: there's a list of positions we anticipate being younger for

440
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Speaker 2: the Bills in twenty twenty four than they were this

441
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Speaker 2: past season. Defensive tackle is a big one. Will they

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Speaker 2: have some free agents come back. I think that's the hope.

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Speaker 2: But your free agents are Daikwon, Jones, Jordan Phillips, Tim Settle,

444
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Speaker 2: Lyn Val Joseph and Poona Ford. You're not bringing all

445
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Speaker 2: those guys back, as a matter of fact. I think

446
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Speaker 2: you'd be fortunate to get Jones back and then that

447
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: might be it, depending on who's affordable.

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Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see what happens with Jordan Phillips.

449
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Speaker 3: I think Jordan Phillips knows he thrives in this in.

450
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Speaker 2: This right and he only played for four million last year.

451
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Speaker 2: That might be a doable deal, right, So we'll see.

452
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Speaker 2: Plus he's coming off.

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Speaker 3: It'll come down to guys who want to play here.

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Speaker 3: If they want to, you know, and certainly they'll be

455
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Speaker 3: able to out and and shop around. But if it's

456
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Speaker 3: not significantly different and they're not too sure about the

457
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Speaker 3: culture that you still got to go to work every day,

458
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Speaker 3: and if it's not going to be a place that's

459
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Speaker 3: enjoyable to go to work, you know, just take the

460
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Speaker 3: good money the bills are giving in and you know,

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Speaker 3: stay there.

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Speaker 2: I would think though, that that position is one that's

463
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Speaker 2: going to get younger. Let's just say hypothetically you get

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Speaker 2: Jones and Phillips back in the fold for next season.

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Speaker 2: The other three guys that are coming in are probably

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Speaker 2: younger players. There's probably a draft pick in there, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe two with ten picks, probably a defensive tackle up

468
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Speaker 2: high somewhere, and then maybe one later in the draft,

469
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Speaker 2: you know, round six or seven we got three and

470
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Speaker 2: four picks. That position is getting younger. Defensive end, your

471
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Speaker 2: free agents are Shack Lossing, ajp and s n Leonard Floyd.

472
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Speaker 2: Now Von Miller's along in the tooth player we know that,

473
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Speaker 2: but Kingsley Jonathan might have a bigger role next year.

474
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Speaker 2: Greg Russou is a starter and only going into his

475
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Speaker 2: fourth season, and who knows what you're gonna add there.

476
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a cheap free agent on a one year

477
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Speaker 2: deal to fill out the roster. It's got a chance

478
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Speaker 2: to be younger, although less so than defensive tackle because

479
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: the vacancies are fewer. Safety, that position's definitely getting younger.

480
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Speaker 2: Under the assumption that Micah Hyde is not back, we

481
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Speaker 2: know his contract is up. Cam Lewis is a free agent.

482
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Speaker 2: I would expect he comes back on an affordable deal.

483
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Speaker 2: But what happens with Poyer Is he a cap casualty?

484
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Speaker 2: We don't know. But if he is, that position's getting younger.

485
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Speaker 2: Even if you swap Rap for Poyer or Rap for Hide,

486
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: you're still getting younger. I mean, wraps twenty six, So

487
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: that's another position that's getting younger. Wide receiver Sherfield and

488
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Speaker 2: Davis are the free agents. We don't know what's gonna

489
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Speaker 2: happen with Hardy. He could be a cap casualty. You know,

490
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Speaker 2: if I had my brothers were drafting two receivers, you're

491
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Speaker 2: getting young.

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Speaker 3: Right, and you've got and you also have a couple

493
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Speaker 3: of The guy in the pipeline is shorter who's been

494
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Speaker 3: walking around the building waiting, so and he'll be a

495
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Speaker 3: second year player. You've got some options there. And plus

496
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Speaker 3: that we've talked about it a ton over the years.

497
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Speaker 3: I've always said, and I still think that if you're

498
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Speaker 3: gonna invest in bodies, you gotta invest high draft capital

499
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Speaker 3: in the big guys up front, because they're the ones

500
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Speaker 3: that are genetically different, the ones that get further away

501
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Speaker 3: from the ball when the ball is snapped on when

502
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Speaker 3: you see it. The wide receivers, the defensive backs, the

503
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Speaker 3: running backs, tight all those guys that the further away

504
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Speaker 3: you get the ball, the more athletes there are out

505
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Speaker 3: there to choose from. You can pick a guy We've

506
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: seen it. You can pick a guy in the seventh

507
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: round he turns into Antonio Brown, who is an Hall

508
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Speaker 3: of Fame worthy guy. I mean, the guys knocks it

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Speaker 3: out of the park.

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Speaker 2: Mica a hide employer. We're fifth and sixty.

511
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Speaker 3: Exactly those athletes there. You go to the Senior Bowl,

512
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: go to the Shrine Bowl. You're neck deep in guys

513
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Speaker 3: can play at because their normal size or slightly bigger

514
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Speaker 3: than normal sized people. Those guys are a dime a dozen.

515
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Speaker 3: But what goes on inside their head and what goes

516
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Speaker 3: on side of their chest makes them different. Those are

517
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Speaker 3: the guys you find and they turn into a guy

518
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: like in the sixth round turns into Tom Brady, or

519
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Speaker 3: a guy in this you know guy in the you

520
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: know later rounds turns into a Hall of Fame guy,

521
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: guy undrafted you know, turns into John Randall and goes

522
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Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame. Carl. All these guys, it's

523
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: the list is almost endless of guys you can find

524
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Speaker 3: who at positions where you play. You don't have to

525
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Speaker 3: be six six three hundred plus. When you get the

526
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Speaker 3: six six three hundred plus guys, those guys are rare,

527
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Speaker 3: so you got to get them when you can. But

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Speaker 3: if you've got enough, then you know, that's where you

529
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Speaker 3: spend it. And that's where your roster is right now.

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Speaker 3: For the Bills, their offensive line is all set, is

531
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Speaker 3: all buttoned up, under contra, under contract. Those guards, those

532
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: guys are, those guys are. That's a money position there

533
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Speaker 3: and it's a strength. And most of the offense is

534
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: the tight ends are all set. The running backs, the

535
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Speaker 3: running backs, I mean, let's face it, the running backs.

536
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Speaker 3: You got James Cook, and you know that's about whoever

537
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: else wants to come in and.

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Speaker 2: Help him play a supporting role.

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Speaker 3: Right But right now, you're you're looking for playmakers on

540
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Speaker 3: the outside, and there's gonna be a gazillion guys to

541
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Speaker 3: choose from, whether you're drafting high or not. You got

542
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Speaker 3: to find one who's special on the inside, is as

543
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, rather than as much as he is on

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Speaker 3: the outside.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the only other position that could possibly get

546
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Speaker 2: younger is cornerback. Dan Jackson's a free agent. Josh Norman

547
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: was on the practice squad. He's thirty five, and we

548
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna happen with tradevious, why he coming

549
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Speaker 2: off the injury. Is he ready to play at the

550
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: start of the season or not. I think that's a

551
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: big if. Know wing the injury happened October first of

552
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: last year, Right, that's it. So just by virtue of

553
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: those three things, oster could get younger there based on

554
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: who's available. So yeah, I think the youth move in

555
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: is a very real prospect. Here at a number of

556
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: positions to Steve's point less so on the offensive side

557
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: than the defensive side. But the defense may get even

558
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: younger than some of the insertions we already saw this season.

559
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: So you know, Terrell Bernard at middle linebacker for example,

560
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: among others. So yeah, think about there's a really good

561
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: chance this roster gets even younger than the one we

562
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: saw this year.

563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Think about how good Terrell Torell Bernard got from Week

564
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Speaker 3: one to week and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: And for me, that's why I don't think you shy

566
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Speaker 2: away from getting younger. You might be pleasantly surprised. And

567
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: this with the way this team identifies talent and develops it.

568
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: You put a younger, faster guy out there, as long

569
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Speaker 2: as he's got it between the ears and as you said,

570
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Speaker 2: in his chest, you might be even better.

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Speaker 3: You know they found Taron Johnson in the fourth round,

572
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Speaker 3: for goodness sake, and he's a he's an elite nickel,

573
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Speaker 3: he's all pro. I mean, goodness, great, you got Matt

574
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Speaker 3: Mulano in the fifth round. I mean, I mean, we

575
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Speaker 3: we've talked about this week after you know, year after

576
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Speaker 3: year of the off season. This is what it comes

577
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: down to. You gotta find guys. And the Bills unlike

578
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: recent past, and like I said, since twenty seventeen, unlike that,

579
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Speaker 3: they haven't had to play young guys. And now it

580
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: looks like they know this. When they pick a guy,

581
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Speaker 3: he's gonna see some action.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta take a break here, but you let us know.

583
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Speaker 2: Phone lines are open. How would a youth movement for

584
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Speaker 2: the Bills roster this offseason make you feel? Eight oh

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Speaker 2: three five point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two,

586
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Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. Here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Colide hell Fer, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown Steve Tasker on a Tuesday. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: the tweet in a second, but first there is some

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Speaker 2: more coaching carousel news in the NFL Steelers, according to

592
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Speaker 2: NFL Networks Tom Pellisero, are expected to hire former Falcons

593
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Speaker 2: head coach Arthur Smith as their offensive coordinator. He was

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Speaker 2: over there interviewing, if not yesterday on Sunday among other candidates,

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Speaker 2: and it looks like he is going to be named

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Speaker 2: to the post. So Arthur Smith, former Falcons coach, expected

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Speaker 2: to be named Steelers offensive coordinator. Shortly. But let's get

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Speaker 2: to the tweet sheet, which as always is brought to

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Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills, where our question of the day

601
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Speaker 2: is how would a youth movement for the Bills roster

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Speaker 2: this offseason make you feel about the twenty twenty four campaign?

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Speaker 2: And first up is Daniel on the tweet sheet, who says,

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00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: anxious but excited building around the young core we have

605
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: with hungry, energetic athletic players could be what we need

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Speaker 2: to maintain health late into the season, force them to

607
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: learn on the field. We'll probably make for some ugly

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Speaker 2: games early on, but improve through the season. So that's

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Speaker 2: kind of what we've been saying, Steve. But let's go

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Speaker 2: with this exercise. Okay, let's determine Who are those players

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Speaker 2: that make up the young Core. I would say anybody

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Speaker 2: under age twenty eight probably fits into that category. I

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Speaker 2: think Josh turns twenty eight in May, so he would

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Speaker 2: be on the list. Dawson Knox is twenty seven, Dalton

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Speaker 2: Kincaid obviously, Khalil Shakir. We'd put in the young core, right,

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Speaker 2: James Cook, Spencer Brown, Osyrus Torrance, Ryan van Dermark even

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Speaker 2: with the development he's.

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Speaker 3: Hat, Matt Mlano, Terrel Bernard.

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Speaker 2: Milano's over twenty eight?

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Speaker 3: Oh is he? Yes? All right, Terrel Bernard.

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Speaker 2: Bernard, Dorian Williams. Maybe you put him in there, Greg Russo,

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Speaker 2: ed Oliver Kingsley, Jonathan Benford, and I guess you put

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Speaker 2: Elim in there, even though he hasn't really hit the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how that.

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00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: And then Tyler bass is in twenty eight yet either,

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty good young core.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, James Cook, Yeah, yeah, I absolutely. And Plus there's

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Speaker 3: some guys on, you know, in the in the practice squad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm really interested to see Shorter, see

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Speaker 3: how he plays. I think we I can't remember the

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Speaker 3: conversations you and I had about him. You know, they're

632
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Speaker 3: talking about drafting a wide receiver. You know, we got

633
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Speaker 3: one we haven't even seen yet in Shorter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really around to see how he's.

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Speaker 3: Because just because we haven't heard about him or seen

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Speaker 3: him or any of that stuff doesn't mean the guy's

637
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: not hasn't been working. He's in the building on the

638
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: practice squad and they're you know, they put these guys

639
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: through the ringer. He's just one of them. But he's

640
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: the only guy, the only receiver on the practice squad. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he's six four two twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not accurate. They had Tyrrel Shavers, uh,

643
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Speaker 2: the big tall kid. He got re signed as a

644
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Speaker 2: reserve futures free agent, and Isabella got signed as a

645
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Speaker 2: reserve futures free agent. kJ Hamler got picked up.

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Speaker 3: Justin Shorter's on IR. Yeah, he was on IR. The

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I had the wrong list. That Brian squad

648
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Speaker 3: is different. Practice squad does have Andy as a Bell

649
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: on it because he was elevated to have Shavers and

650
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 3: Brian Thompson. So yeah, Shavers also hal yes, and Shavers

651
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: is also one of those six four guys that's two

652
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: eleven rookie out of San Diego State. So they've got

653
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: some guys. And remember last year we thought when we

654
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: were I remember this now, when we were standing at

655
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: training camp over at Saint John Fish or Brownie, all

656
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: the receivers they brought in were ginormous.

657
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: Remember, Yeah, Tyrrel Shavers fits into that.

658
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: Cam Shorter does all those guys, and so they and

659
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: they hung around, right, So Shavers and Shorter hung around,

660
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: and they're both really big dudes. It'll be interesting to

661
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: see if they put some work in and gotten to

662
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: the point where they the team needs them up on

663
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: a on the roster. That's an interesting thing for me

664
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: because they you you got to get better if you've

665
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: been in the building for an entire year practicing and

666
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: watching how guys do it, watching Steph Diggs play, watching

667
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis play, watching Khalil Shakir, watching James Cook and

668
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid, watching all these guys work for it and

669
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: get on the roster, and you're you're in the build.

670
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: You know, these guys are in the locker room every day.

671
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: They're there every day, so they're they're in. They're on

672
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: the team, except they're just on a different list. Right,

673
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: You've got to come out of this season light years

674
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: ahead of where you were mentally a year ago. You've

675
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: got to come back to training, camping and OTAs and

676
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: all that stuff just be a completely different dude.

677
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shakira talked about that in his season ending interview

678
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: session with the media, just talking about how much different

679
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: he felt in the system. And you know, that was

680
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: a guy that as a rookie had to know all

681
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: the spots sure x y Z. And you know this

682
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: year when he finally did get significant snaps, boy did

683
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: that kid deliver. I mean he had the highest catch

684
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: rate in the league one drop this season. I mean, yeah,

685
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. It's really a productive player and showed he's

686
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: the yards after catch guy too.

687
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna be uh an interest, really really intriguing off season,

688
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: really intrigued because, like we said, not going in you

689
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: know in the last segment, these guys are going to

690
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: be somebody's got to be. They gotta line some people up.

691
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: Well. The complexion of the roster I think is going

692
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: to change more than people are used to seeing because

693
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: I think some household names are not going to be

694
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: on names that people have come to recognize and expect

695
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: to see on this roster year after year after year

696
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: after year, some of those people are not going to

697
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: be here next year, you know, as difficult as it

698
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: might be. So that's just the way business works in

699
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: this league. Time with one team can be fleeting, and

700
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: some guys have been here a lot longer than even

701
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: we anticipated. But it looks like that is going to

702
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: change considerably this offseason for a number of reasons, cap age,

703
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: et cetera. And fortunately the Bills have the internal structure

704
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: of both in the personnel department and the coaching staff

705
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: to I think withstand that kind of turnover and get

706
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: younger and still be just as successful.

707
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, in sitting in these two chairs here for

708
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, like Brownie and I have

709
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: throughout this McDermott era off and on, I'm sure that

710
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: with being there's gonna be some of these names that

711
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: we have resigned ourselves to saying goodbye to. Some of

712
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: them aren't gonna you know, that will be back. We

713
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: will get some guys. There's always a surprise. It used

714
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: to be when I was playing every training camp they

715
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: would tell you there's always one old veteran guy that's

716
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: really a surprise cut, you know, And I think nowadays,

717
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: it's more like there's a surprise guy that he's get

718
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: in the off season.

719
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd was probably Leonard Floyd is a huge one.

720
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: Then it happened till June.

721
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff like that happened. So I think there will

722
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: be some surprises because you know, we don't know really

723
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: even what to expect or how the conversations behind the

724
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: scene are going. But and then after the fact we

725
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: always hear like, well, we had been talking to you know,

726
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: we knew who Rasul Douglas was for and we like that,

727
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, so all of a sudden, you know, he

728
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: lands on your roster in the middle of the season.

729
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: All it's like, wow, he kills it. Some of that's

730
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: gonna happen this offseason. It's gonna be fun to see.

731
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: And we never get a warning, man, it just happens.

732
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: There we go eight oh three zero five point fifty

733
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Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the

734
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: number to get on board. How would a youth movement

735
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: for the Bills roster this offseason make you feel? Let's

736
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: go to the phones. Leading us off today is Elliott

737
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: in Rochester. What do you got for hiss?

738
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: Elliott?

739
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: Hey, Chris and Steve, thanks for taking my call. I've

740
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: just been doing some mock drafts and taking a look

741
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: at the prospects that that are out there for the

742
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 4: Bills and the move that I'm looking at. Bill's got

743
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: great offensive weapons with James Cook, you know Kincaid, even Diggs.

744
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: He's got a year left or two. So here's a

745
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: new young weapon. I think we got to add a

746
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: true X receiver. I've been looking at Brian Thomas junior

747
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: out of LSU, maybe Xavier Legett out of South Carolina.

748
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 4: The guy is a real dynamic athlete. Old lines looking good.

749
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: We gotta build on that defensive line. We got to

750
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: build our secondary. I mean, while he's on the decline,

751
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: he's got a big contract. Boyer and Hide are on

752
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: their way out. We got a lot of good young studs,

753
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: Joe Bernard showing a lot of promise. But I was

754
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: just wondering if you guys were going to be at

755
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl or taking a look at that. But

756
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 4: as long as we got a guy like Josh Allen,

757
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: we always got a chance. I don't I don't like

758
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: to talk about a window closing. I'm feeling pretty optimistic,

759
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: but that's all I got. Thank you guys for taking

760
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: my call, and I'll sit back and listen.

761
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, I agree with you. Yeah, the windows you're

762
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: gonna hear some of that this year. Like to stop

763
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: talking about windows as long as Josh is here and

764
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: playing like he's playing the windows wide open. But I'm

765
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Brownie. You're speaking Brownie's language. I

766
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: told Brownie I I have to shut him up because

767
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: it's we are right. The train horn now is about

768
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: the wide receiver. The third down train horn that we

769
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: always play is now the wide receiver train. So everybody's

770
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: on board with it, everybody who's I'm listening to the

771
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: station all the time when I'm out driving around, and

772
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: every guy, everybody is on the wide receiver train. So

773
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: here we go.

774
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: We're at the train. We were talking.

775
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: You're right.

776
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: We were all talking about it last year. I know

777
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Jeremy on the Morning Show was talking about it. Last year.

778
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: We were talking about it after the loss to the Bengals.

779
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: I think it's even more readily apparent now that I

780
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: think it has to be.

781
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: I think that the thing that makes me kind of like,

782
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: uh and maybe this is a sean McDermott veteran rookie

783
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: balance thing where he didn't want He wanted to go

784
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: with the veterans more than the rookies. But last year

785
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: they signed Trent Sherfield and Deontae Hardy, and these guys

786
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: Terrell Shavers and Justin Shorter couldn't make the roster ahead

787
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: of those guys, and we feel like we need to

788
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: upgrade those guys. Well, where's that you know, where's that

789
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: put those? That gives you an eye. Brian Thompson couldn't

790
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: make the roster, So that gives you an idea of

791
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: how far these young players we've already got on the

792
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: roster have to go to get on the field.

793
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: So well, that's why I think you need more significant

794
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: investment in the position, which to me translates to higher

795
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: in the draft. To get an elite talent, you need

796
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: a guy that eventually can take over the number one

797
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: role from Diggs. You need a talent that good who's

798
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: ready to help you right away as a rookie and

799
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: then in a year could assume the number one role.

800
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you need somebody that good. So that's going

801
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: to require a major investment in the draft. And then

802
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: you still might need another one after that, somebody that's

803
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: a field stretcher and can you know, open up space

804
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: for everybody else.

805
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: You need a total need, a total skill set upgrade.

806
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: You need a route runner, and you need a guy

807
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: that can that can strike fear into a DB's bailing

808
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: out on this guy because he's gonna get outrun. You know,

809
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: you need you need a guy that can really really

810
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: outrun people fast and right away. And then you need

811
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: a guy that can get open and shake loose on

812
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: route running. If not the same guy you need on

813
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: your roster, and you need it every day, every week,

814
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: every game. So you know, I think we're all on

815
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: that page and now it's just you know, we're going

816
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: through a menu of players that are going to be available.

817
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but you let us know

818
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: how would a youth movement for the Bill's roster this

819
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: offseason make you feel? Eight oh three zero five fifty

820
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Speaker 2: one eight eight five fifty two five fifty the number

821
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Speaker 2: to get on board back with more, including some tweets

822
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Speaker 2: as well here on one Bill's Live Stay two quarter

823
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: back to one of Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

824
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: with you and a big break for the Lions. As

825
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: a news coming down from NFL Networks, Tom Pella sero

826
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: that Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has told both the

827
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Seahawks and commanders that he is staying in Detroit. He

828
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: is not going to take a head coaching job. So, boy,

829
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: how do you feel if you're the commanders in the Seahawks,

830
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: Steve you waited until the Lions were eliminated from the playoffs,

831
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: which only just happened on Sunday to try to hire

832
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: this guy, and he says, thank you.

833
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: No, I am so interested in how those conversations went

834
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: and why he is staying in Detroit. I am so

835
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: interested in that.

836
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: Now, maybe cow about either team has a quarterback, but.

837
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe both teams said, do you know what,

838
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: Maybe he's maybe he's a weirdo. I don't know, you know,

839
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: I don't know Ben Johnson. But maybe he got into

840
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: that room and they're like, oh, this isn't what we

841
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: thought we were going to get. Maybe they did say no,

842
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: or maybe you know it's him, maybe say no, I'm

843
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 3: staying in Detroit.

844
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean Drew Locke and Gino Smith in Seattle. You

845
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: got Howell in Washington who threw more interceptions than anybody.

846
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: You want that to be your first job? No quarterback?

847
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: Well, and let me see you let's go back and

848
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: look at the twenty. The Washington Commanders they picked.

849
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: They got Sam second. Yeah, they could draft one, draft one.

850
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: Do you want to be working with a rookie or

851
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: do you want a proven guy? Apparently, Ben John, will you.

852
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Let me ask you that what head coaching opportunity are

853
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: you gonna get with a veteran franchise Chargers? Those head

854
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: coaches don't get fired, well, Chargers, Jim Harvey didn't have

855
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: that one. You ain't. That job's not open anymore.

856
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and maybe that's why he said no.

857
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: Carolina, nobody want that's not that's not a guy. No,

858
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: that's not a guy.

859
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: But you know, Demiko Ryans took the Houston job and

860
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: then they drafted c. J. Stroud. That worked out well.

861
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, with the second pick, you know, well you

862
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: can and I'll say this too though, I mean, if

863
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: you're second, you're gonna get the guy you want because

864
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Caroline is not Gonning.

865
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're gonna get whatever guy you want. You

866
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: can flip with Carolina and get the giant guy you want.

867
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: But Nevertheless, a guy like Ben Jonson. Most and I'm

868
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: not saying everyone, but most offensive coordinators and NFL coaches,

869
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: particularly coordinators have just a little bit of ego and

870
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna they're gonna look around and say, listen, I

871
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: can fix that guy, or I can coach that guy.

872
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: I can you know, I can make that guy better.

873
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm the guy to do it. Right. I'm surprised that

874
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: he with a number two draft pick unless he got

875
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: in there and Washington said, no, we're not taking a quarterback.

876
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: We like Sam Howell. Yeah, it's like you like, what

877
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: what you excuse me? What's he? You're gonna keep that guy? Yeah?

878
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna. I'm just gonna stay with

879
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: Jared Goff.

880
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Break time for us here our number two. More of

881
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: this discussion on the bills perceived and possible youth movement

882
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: this offseason and how that makes you feel that and

883
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: plenty more coming up an hour number two here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by a Lot of Health.

885
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

886
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 2: All Right, here we are our number two Chris Brown,

888
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you on a Tuesday, and there is

889
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: some news on the Bills coaching front. It is official

890
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: the Bills have promoted linebackers coach Bobby Babbage to defensive coordinator.

891
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: As we know, he had been a defensive coordinator candidate

892
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: with the Packers, Giants, and Dolphins the past week, but

893
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: head coach McDermott has kept him on staff by naming

894
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: him Buffalo's new defensive coordinator. A year removed from the

895
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: departure of Leslie Fraser from the staff and fast rising

896
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: coach for sure, has been here since McDermott put his

897
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: original staff together. When he came on as secondary coach.

898
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: We know what he did with Jordan Poyter and Micah

899
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 2: Hyde and grooming them to be one of the best

900
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: safety tandems in the league. Then this past year he

901
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: moved to linebackers coach to replace his father who retired,

902
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: and did a world of good with Terrell Bernard as

903
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: his first year as a starter helped Tyrel Dodson get

904
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: better as the season war on this season when he

905
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: was thrust into the starting lineup. So the big question now,

906
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: though Steve, is is coach McDermott gonna keep calling plays

907
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: or will Bobby Babbage be entrusted with that responsibility, and

908
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: you know, we probably won't find out for a little while, you.

909
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I'm it's interesting. I think probably because now

910
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: there's nothing that says Babbage was gonna get another job anyway.

911
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen, you know, other jobs fall through

912
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: for other guys who were in the interview process. So

913
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: I don't know whether Babbage had for sure an offer,

914
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: but you would think if he did, you know, the

915
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: leverage Listen, I don't know. I want to call I

916
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: want to call plays. If he does, you know, he

917
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: could certainly make that demand. If you're gonna make me

918
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: the guy I want to call the plays. You know,

919
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it. I don't let

920
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: him do it, and I'm sure McDermott doesn't have a

921
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: problem with it either. It seemed to go really well

922
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: this year with Sean McDermott calling the defenses, as you

923
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: would think it would seen as how he cut his

924
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: teeth being a defensive coordinator and got himself elevated to

925
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: head coach because of his prowess as a defensive coordinator.

926
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: He got the Carolina Panthers to the Super Bowl as

927
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator. It'll be interesting to see, and certainly so,

928
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: I'm good either way. I'm okay with Babbage calling calling

929
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: the defenses. I like it, But I also like McDermott

930
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: calling him, so I think, and I think elevating him

931
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: to that spot kind of dictates that you'd give him the.

932
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: It would seem to be that, But I don't want

933
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: to assume, right, So we'll find out. We'll find out

934
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: in due course, I would think, And I think it

935
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: says a lot about Babbage as a as a fast

936
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: rising coach when you know that there are other coaches

937
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: on this defensive staff who have held coordinator posts in

938
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: their past. So yes, it's uh. And you still have

939
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: a defensive line coach position to fill. And now you

940
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: have a linebackers coach position to fill. Now you have

941
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: Al Hulcombe on the staff who was a defensive assistant

942
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: this year. We'll have to see. Maybe he fills the

943
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: linebackers coaching role, maybe he fills defensive line coaching role.

944
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: Who knows. Now you can see how I mean.

945
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: When he got the job, When he got the linebacker job,

946
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean, immediately Matt Malonel becomes an All Pro and

947
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: then the next year Bernard becomes the lynch pin of

948
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: the entire defense. I mean, we were devastated when he

949
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: couldn't play in the divisional round of the playoffs. Before that,

950
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: in twenty one, you know, he was the defense was

951
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: number one in the league and he was working with

952
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: Poyer and Hyde, and Poyer had his first All Pro

953
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: season and Michael Hyde was second team All Pro. I mean,

954
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: you go all the way back through that. This guy

955
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: has every every position and everything he has done he

956
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: has excelled. And that's that's why he kind of move

957
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: up through the ranks and all of a sudden you're

958
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: getting all these interviews. So here he is. Yeah, now

959
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 3: he's the defensive coordinator of the Bills.

960
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: I've talked about it probably for the last five years

961
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: on what a good player development staff this is under McDermott.

962
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: He's one of the main cogs in that. Aaron Kromer

963
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: is a great developmental coach. Bobby Babbage I would put

964
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: in that category, and there's plenty of others. You know,

965
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: Rob Boris has done a nice job with the tight ends.

966
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: And I could run down the whole list, and I'm

967
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: not going to because I'll probably leave somebody out. But Babbage,

968
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: to the history that Steve just laid out in his

969
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: time here, has proven he can make players better and

970
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: put them in positions to succeed. So congratulations to him

971
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: certainly well deserved. He's put his time in on this

972
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: staff and some people may not know exactly who he is,

973
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: but trust us when we tell you he was a

974
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: fast rising coach and if he was not promoted to

975
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: this spot, somebody else would have poached him off. With

976
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: Buffalo's staff, for sure.

977
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: He was on, he had the trajectory going, and the

978
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: players that he has had direct contact with played their

979
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: best football by far, and that turns heads at this level.

980
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: Right, So if you want to comment on that, let

981
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: us know how you feel about Bobby Babbage being named

982
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: Bill's defensive coordinator. You can hit us up at eight

983
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: oh three, oh five fifty one eight eight eight five

984
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty the number to get on board,

985
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 2: or you can weigh in on our topic of discussion today.

986
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: How would a youth movement for Buffalo's roster this offseason

987
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: make you feel about their prospects for twenty twenty four

988
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: eight oh three five fifty one eight eight eight five

989
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty the number to get on board.

990
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: Wanted to get back to the tweet sheet for some

991
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: more of your comments, and Ab says, youth on both

992
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: sides of the ball is key. Look at what names

993
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: like Kyle Hamilton, Trent McDuffie, Aiden Hutchinson, Brian Branch, Puka Nakua,

994
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: and Jamier Gibbs did to help drive their teams to success. Yeah.

995
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: I mean those are all playoff teams.

996
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: And the Bills fall into that as well. Yeah, you

997
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: got Khalil Shaker, James Cook, Dalton k and Calton Kinkaid

998
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: for the Bills.

999
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, but more of that would be welcome because

1000
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: I think you could argue that James Cook was the

1001
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: most dynamic athlete on the offense this year, and Dalton

1002
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: kin Kaid and Khalil Shakier had their moments as well.

1003
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: So more of that, Police, more of that police. Tim

1004
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: on the tweets, he says, as long as they draft

1005
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: the right players, it works for me. Well yeah, right,

1006
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: that's uh wow, Okay, that's an oversimplification maybe, but yeah,

1007
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: that's the yes, that is the ideal.

1008
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: Brings it to the heart of the problem, doesn't it, Tim.

1009
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Nobody bats a thousand in the draft.

1010
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 6: Though.

1011
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: That's the thing. If you back three hundred or four

1012
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: hundred in the draft, you're doing great.

1013
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, you get these these teams

1014
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: like the Chiefs and like some of the others of

1015
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 3: recent years, and you go back even to the twenty

1016
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: twelve I think it's the twenty twelve draft, h and

1017
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: the twenty thirteen draft. The Seahawks get four starters out

1018
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: of both those drafts and they become the Legion of

1019
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: Boom and they you know, they go to two straight

1020
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: Super Bowls. So it's cheap. It's it's cheap labor, and

1021
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: playing at a high level for cheap makes everybody else better.

1022
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's a huge boost. Now the

1023
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: Bills have done that pretty well as too, So you

1024
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: got to keep on keeping on to keep up with

1025
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and all these other teams that are drafting that.

1026
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: And look at look at the other direction, look at

1027
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: the Patriots. They've drafted poorly, poorly, and it.

1028
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: Shows, yeah, because they just don't have the horses.

1029
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: Bill's got Terrell Bernard playing, they got Benford playing, they

1030
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: got Cook playing, they got Kincaid playing, they got Shakir playing.

1031
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: O Cyrus Cyrus Torrance is playing all these guys, I mean,

1032
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, so you go down the list and they

1033
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: drafted Milano and Taron Johnson, who are on talking now,

1034
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: I'm talking now. They got all these you know, they

1035
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: got this guy's to you know, to line up so

1036
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: you hit on them, you win, and that's the way.

1037
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: And not to mention, they also drafted a guy named Josh.

1038
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: Allen and Oliver Terren Johnson, I mean Greg Russo right,

1039
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 2: keep going, I mean those are all homegrown talents. Duke

1040
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: of Blaisdell says, get younger and faster. Time is now

1041
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: to retool Alan isn't getting any younger wide receiver is

1042
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: a must in the draft if not two of them.

1043
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: Duke from Blaisdell's actually Chris Brown.

1044
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: He's drinking the from drinking those live drinking one Bill's

1045
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: live cool.

1046
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 3: Brown is getting Brownie's on the sidelines with the big

1047
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: stick in the in the big orange cooler stir in

1048
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: the kool Aider. Brown he's ladling it out. He's drinking

1049
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: the lap it up. People lap it up to not draft,

1050
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: don't just draft one high, draft two high?

1051
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, because I look at it, this way, Steve, Okay,

1052
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't like the value in round

1053
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: one and you got to wait till round two, that's

1054
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: gonna hurt me a little bit. But okay, it's a

1055
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: deep class. But with that compensatory pick that you're anticipating

1056
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna get due to the free agent loss of

1057
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: Tremaine Edmonds, you're practically drafting in the fourth round. Anyway,

1058
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 2: you're at the bottom of round three, take another swing.

1059
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: Get you know, if you got your alpha dog in

1060
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 2: round one, great, Now go get your field stretcher. Now

1061
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: you can compartmentalize what else you need to fill a role?

1062
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I mean get a guy that can

1063
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: burn it up. Man. Yeah he's your second guy. Yeah,

1064
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 2: let's see.

1065
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: And you just want to get those guys. And so

1066
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: they're a little bit of a like Dalton kin Cave

1067
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 3: was a little bit of a splash last year. He

1068
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: came in and looked fantastic from day one. Yep, when

1069
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: they put the pads on, helmets on, went out there

1070
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: and started running routes, the guy showed up big. You

1071
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: need some more of that. I look at a different position.

1072
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: I'll be the first to tell you that is much

1073
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: easier said than done, because when you're the Bills and

1074
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: you're picking twenty eighth, you're kind of a victim of

1075
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: circumstance in terms of everything that happens in front of you.

1076
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: You have very little control of what's going to be

1077
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: available to you when you're picking twenty eighth. So, by

1078
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: no means like we say, hey, in an ideal world,

1079
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: we'd like to have this, an ideal world probably isn't

1080
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: happening for Brandon Bean picking twenty eighth in the draft.

1081
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: It's an enormous and I totally recognize that, but it

1082
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: doesn't mean a cantering.

1083
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: It's an enormous There are enormous unknowns and all you

1084
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: can do.

1085
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: Is and there are more of them when you're picking

1086
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: that late.

1087
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: And when you get that late, it's an enormous projection.

1088
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: And you can do it fifty different ways if you

1089
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: want to. And there's gonna be a time, you know,

1090
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: we've heard it. There's gonna be eight wide receivers and

1091
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: this guy that are worthy of round one grades, and

1092
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: there isn't going to be that many teams that'll take

1093
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: a wide receiver that high because there'll be an edge

1094
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: rusher or corner or somebody else that they need bad

1095
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: that quarterback, that their quarterback. So there's gonna be some

1096
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: guys pushed down. But you know how it is this draft.

1097
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: The Bills draft twenty eight, right, and so they get

1098
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: to twenty eighth pick or twenty no, they get to

1099
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: the twenty third pick, wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver,

1100
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: Well that's what happened last year. And then it's gonna

1101
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: be like, ugh, you know, that's.

1102
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: What happened last year. I mean they were picking what

1103
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: was it, twenty sixth, I want to say, And the

1104
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: run started around twenty one with the Chargers. Quenton Johnston

1105
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: Say Flowers went in there, and there was another one

1106
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: that went and so the value was the Minnesota kid

1107
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: went the pit Usc kid Jordan Addison. So those three

1108
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: guys went bang, bang bang all in a row. And

1109
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: that's why when that happened, instead of panicking, Brandon Bean

1110
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: just pivoted said all right, I'm not gonna get one

1111
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: of the top receiver talents in the draft. I'm gonna

1112
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: pivot and get the best pass catching tight end in

1113
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: the draft, and then moved up to get him to

1114
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: make sure he got him. Maybe he takes a similar

1115
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: tack this year. But I've already seen mock drafts that

1116
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: have seven receivers going in round one, which would tie

1117
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: a record for most receivers in round one. That's how

1118
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: good this class is. And I think there's also a

1119
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: pretty healthy demand. The Chiefs are gonna be picking right

1120
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: behind the Bills. They're gonna need receiver help. It's Rashi

1121
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Rice and a bunch of guys. They need to draft

1122
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: a receiver and that's your chief competition. No pun intended there,

1123
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: I just kind of came out, But there's gonna be

1124
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: a lot of demand too. I mean, it's not just

1125
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: the Bills looking for a wide out and a premiere

1126
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: one of that. The Jets are talking about getting somebody

1127
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: on the other side of Garret Wilson. Is that a

1128
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: free agent maybe?

1129
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: But if it's not, we are also not the only

1130
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: team who And this just we said it last year

1131
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: and we said it this year. Early yesterday we were

1132
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: talking about it. We're gonna be continuing to talking about.

1133
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: Weren't an arms race in the AFC. You got these quarterbacks,

1134
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: you got to keep up with them, and you got

1135
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: to give the guys a chance. All the weapons they

1136
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: need to be successful. It's us and a bunch of

1137
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: other teams who are also looking for the same things

1138
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: the Bills are looking for. They may have another court,

1139
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: they have to get a quarterback still or whatever, but

1140
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna it's the same thing. They're on the market

1141
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: for the same position. It's there's money spots. It's quarterback,

1142
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: it's wide out, it's left tackled, it's pass rusher, and

1143
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 3: it's corner. Those are the money spots and you gotta

1144
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: get them high in the draft because they're they're rare.

1145
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: And it's not just receiver where the Bills figure to

1146
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: get younger, which is why we're asking you today, how

1147
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: would a youth movement for the Bills roster this offseason

1148
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: make you feel? Eight oh three zero five point fifty

1149
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the

1150
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: number to get on board Patrick On the tweet, she says,

1151
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: I think it's needed new juice in the room and

1152
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: young talent to continually push the Vets to be at

1153
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 2: the top of their game. Maybe you can speak to that, Steve,

1154
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: like what happens when new blood enters the room and

1155
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: it's young premiere talent, you know, like Eric Mold strolls

1156
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: in in ninety six as a first round pick. That

1157
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: probably turned some heads in the receiver room.

1158
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: He's a good he's a great player right out of

1159
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 3: the gate. And we had a head coach in Marv

1160
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: Levy who he was kind of like, I don't know,

1161
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean, he's got this Hall of

1162
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: Fame quarterback throwing, and he's got a Hall of Fame

1163
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: running back, and he's got two Hall of famers sitting there.

1164
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: Well maybe not at that point, James Lofton was gone,

1165
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: but Andre's in the room. So you're thinking, okay, we but.

1166
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: Quinn Early was here.

1167
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: We're not gonna we're gonna turn the you know, we're

1168
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: gonna turn the thing up upside down. And Eric Moltz

1169
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: didn't play that much, and certainly you got to, you know,

1170
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: you got to learn the pro game, learn the offense.

1171
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: But I think some of it had to do with

1172
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: the guys who are the older guys on that team,

1173
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 3: particularly like quarterback is going, I don't know, you know,

1174
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I know I can throw to Thurman

1175
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: and Andrea, I don't know about Molds yet, So you

1176
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: kind of sit there and watch. I think it was

1177
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: a huge mistake. The guy needed to be on the field.

1178
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: He really needed to be on the field. He would

1179
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: have been better than the other options, certainly would have

1180
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: been better than you know me. So yeah, I think

1181
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 3: you've gotta you gotta let the you gotta I hate

1182
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: to say it, but you gotta let those guys play

1183
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: if you can, and that certainly you're gonna be You're

1184
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: gonna take some lumps in this day and age. It's

1185
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 3: the only way to learn. To my you can't practice hard, No,

1186
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: you can't. You gotta get him out there. And the

1187
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 3: live game reps are absolutely critical to development because it's

1188
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: the only place you see how it's really gonna be.

1189
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: And you know, the problem is that counts. You know,

1190
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 3: if you lose the game, you got to live with it.

1191
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: It counts against you. It's not just you know, hey, great,

1192
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: we learned a lesson. I don't care. We want to

1193
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 3: win the game. You know, I don't care if you

1194
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 3: stay stupid. If we win, you know, you get to

1195
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: be a smarter player. It's great, but we're it's costing

1196
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: us games. That's you know, that's the balance you got

1197
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: to strike. It's hard. You let us know.

1198
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: How would a youth movement for Bill the Bills roster

1199
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: this offseason make you feel eight h three zero five

1200
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

1201
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board. Also, if you

1202
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: want to weigh in on the news of Bobby Babbage

1203
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: being named defensive coordinator for the Bills and being retained

1204
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: by head coach Sean mcdermoty you let us know as well.

1205
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: Got some open lines for you there, Jeremy. On the tweet,

1206
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: she says, it makes me feel great simply because we

1207
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: do not have a choice. Also, it will be very

1208
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: interesting to see what the coaching staff does with this

1209
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: youth movement, as we will need contributions from all of

1210
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: our draft picks and undrafted free agents. I don't know

1211
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: about the undrafted free agents, although stranger things have happened,

1212
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: But I get what you're saying, Jeremy. You're anticipating a

1213
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: youth movement. It's not a question of if, it's a

1214
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,479
Speaker 2: matter of when, and you think it's going to happen

1215
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: this offseason, and I would tend to agree with you. Yeah,

1216
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: it's it's exciting because it's new blood, greater roster turnover

1217
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: and young players that you're hoping can help you now

1218
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: not down the line.

1219
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: Man, I'll say this, just this just occurred to me.

1220
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: How different a spot is it being here. When you

1221
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 3: got Josh Allen at quarterback, he got James Cook, he

1222
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 3: got an offensive line, you got some guys that are proven.

1223
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: This is such a different place when you got to

1224
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: question morek like like questions about your roster coming into

1225
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: the off season than it was, like, you know, fifteen

1226
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: years ago, when you're in the depths of a drought

1227
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: and you don't have any of that stuff. You don't

1228
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: have guys that are proven in the play, you don't

1229
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: have a cores that you can say, you know, it

1230
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, we're gonna you know, we're gonna We're still

1231
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: gonna be tough to beat. Yeah, let's you know, let's

1232
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: refurbish on the fly. It really feels a lot different

1233
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: than it did, and probably than it does for a

1234
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 3: lot of other teams around the league who don't have

1235
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: an elite quarterback, who don't have a really solid running

1236
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: game in an offensive line, an established head coach, you know,

1237
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: with you don't have thequestions about the culture you're gonna

1238
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: have and all that stuff. Of a new hote coach

1239
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: coming in, and you can say what you want about

1240
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: the new direction, like the Commanders and the Seahawks are

1241
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: gonna be going in, or the Chargers with their new

1242
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: shiny new head coach just off a national championship in college,

1243
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: all that stuff going on, there's still all that stuff

1244
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 3: comes with question marks. This is such a different place,

1245
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: such a different place. I gotta I gotta take a

1246
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: minute to appreciate it. Oh yeah, cause it's it's fun

1247
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: on this side of it, right, I mean I kind

1248
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 3: of get that sense even from the tweets. She's like, yes,

1249
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 3: you know, let's go. Cause I know, cause I know,

1250
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 3: because everybody says in the underlying current is always this.

1251
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: I know we're gonna win games. Let's just go all right,

1252
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: you know that's kind of the given here, right. Nobody

1253
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: thinks we're gonna go the way the Patriots did and

1254
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 3: go foreign fourign thirteen. Everybody's like, now, well, litsen seventeen,

1255
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: we're gonna win our games. Let's go. Let's see what

1256
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: these new players have to offer. It is a completely

1257
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: different set of givens in this roster, in this organization.

1258
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: I can't I can't even put into words how far

1259
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 3: away that other stuff seems.

1260
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: Now, well, it's been seven years, so it is firmly

1261
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: in the rearview mirror, and we're all thankful for it.

1262
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 2: Hands down, let's get to the phones. At eight oh

1263
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: three five fifty one eight eight eight five point fifty

1264
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: two five fifty we go to Bob in Orchard Park.

1265
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 2: What we got for his Bob?

1266
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 7: Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. First of all,

1267
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 7: I'd like to congratulate Bobby Bavitch on his promotion to

1268
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 7: a defensive coordinator. I've had the occasion to meet him

1269
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 7: a couple of times, and I know that this promotion

1270
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 7: is well deserved. And on your youth movement question, Historically,

1271
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 7: Brandon Bean has always gone with the philosophy of drafting

1272
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 7: the best player available at the time that the Bills draft.

1273
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 7: But with go with the place where the Bills are

1274
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 7: going to be drafting this year, it's going to be

1275
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 7: very unlikely that they're going to get any of the

1276
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 7: top draft picks at their positions that the Bills want,

1277
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 7: which was normal, namely corner and wide receiver and possibly safeties.

1278
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 7: So I would rather have Brandon Bean go and maybe

1279
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 7: get players that don't have quite as much potential upside

1280
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 7: as these top name draft picks. But go with a

1281
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 7: draft choice that has more is more NFL ready to

1282
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 7: step in, coming from a program college program that runs

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Speaker 7: more of an NFL style offense. So I'll hang up

1284
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Speaker 7: and see what you got I think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate the call, Bob. You're arguing for higher

1286
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: floor players in the draft, and I understand there is

1287
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: value in that. But if you're doing that, you should

1288
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: probably do that later in the draft because that is

1289
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: where the athletic talent and physical gifts aren't as plentiful

1290
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: as they are at the top of the draft. So

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: if you want to go higher floor players in round four, five,

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01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: and six, I'll listen to that. But I'm not doing

1293
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 2: it in round one, two and three, primarily because of

1294
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: the player development coaching staff you have here. You have

1295
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: guys on this coaching staff that can take someone with

1296
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,879
Speaker 2: elite physical traits and make them better. We've seen it.

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01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: It's proven here with this coaching staff. So you want

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01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 2: to take higher floor players on Day three, I'll listen

1299
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: to that so you have a better chance of having

1300
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: a late round draft choice help you. Now, even though

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: their ceiling might be a little more limited. I'll listen

1302
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: to that, but not on the first two days of

1303
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: the draft.

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: Don't forget Bob and from Ortred Park. And I see

1305
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 3: the logic of your of your assertion, because the Bills

1306
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: are drafting at twenty eighth and they're not gonna get

1307
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: the elite guys from the college rank. But think about this,

1308
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: any any kid, even mister Irrelevant, the guy who's drafted

1309
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty second overall, are gonna be the

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01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,520
Speaker 3: top two hundred and fifty players of seventy five thousand

1311
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: that play college football, plus free agents that are already

1312
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: in the game, and you know everybody. So you're talking

1313
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: the top two hundred and fifty two guys of seventy

1314
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: five thousand that are playing college football. So all of

1315
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 3: these guys are going to be different that way, and

1316
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: it's where they fall within their little pool of players

1317
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: at the top there. That's it. So and I so

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 3: I would say, don't don't think that when they say

1319
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: best player available, they're saying just the guy who's the fastest, strongest, biggest.

1320
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: What that means innately is he's gonna have he's going

1321
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 3: to be whatever player that's best player available. It means

1322
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 3: he's gonna have the best career as a professional the

1323
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: way they project him. It doesn't mean he's the fastest, biggest, strongest.

1324
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: He's gonna be the best player at this level. So

1325
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: that's what that means. And so that's when they say

1326
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 3: best player available. It's not totally about his physical gifts

1327
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 3: and skills and his attributes. It's about their projection of

1328
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 3: what he's gonna be like on at the next level. Yeah,

1329
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 3: and that's so don't get Yeah, they're still gonna do that.

1330
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,919
Speaker 3: They're gonna be draft best player available.

1331
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: And I'll ask you this. They drafted Greg Russell thirtieth overall.

1332
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Speaker 2: Does he have elite physical traits?

1333
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

1334
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: Can find them down there.

1335
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Speaker 3: That's where it's gonna be. That all these now you

1336
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: can find.

1337
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: Him down there at the bottom round one.

1338
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, there's gonna be some guys available. They're gonna

1339
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: jump off the page.

1340
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: Wike, I picked twenty seventh, right, I mean.

1341
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna you can find it. They're gonna be some

1342
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 3: elite guys. Now here's the thing and all and all

1343
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 3: hyperbole this a little bit. So I'll exaggerate to make

1344
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 3: this point. So you get the guys at the top

1345
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 3: of the draft that are just to make a point,

1346
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 3: they're scholar athletes, smart, full of character, have their own

1347
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: charity foundation, and they're six six, three hundred and thirty

1348
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 3: pounds a round four four forty all that stuff, right,

1349
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: they bench press the out right, there's all of the

1350
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: elite physical traits and the high character stuff. They're ROTC guys.

1351
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: They're leaders, They're like the best of the best. And

1352
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: then as you drop down through certain attributes of that

1353
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 3: start to become less common. And by the time you

1354
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: get down a certain way, now you've got all the

1355
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 3: guys that have all the leadership and smarts and character

1356
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: but don't have the elite physical traits. Or you get

1357
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: guys that are off the charts physically and you just

1358
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 3: hope they're not in jail on draft day. That's the

1359
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: spectrum you get. You hope you don't even know if

1360
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: you'd take them home to say he you don't even

1361
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,879
Speaker 3: know if they're in the same room you would introduce

1362
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 3: your wife and children to this guy, right, I mean,

1363
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 3: you're just hoping he doesn't like snap, but he's got

1364
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: elite physical traits off the charts, right, So that's the

1365
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 3: spectrum you're working with on both ends of it. You're

1366
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 3: with the guy that you know, you really don't really

1367
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 3: think he's got the character to be a professional athlete,

1368
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,879
Speaker 3: but he's got these elite skills and elite physical talents.

1369
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 3: And you've got just the opposite, the guys that have

1370
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 3: everything and like the tim Tebows of the world, that

1371
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 3: are high character, off the charts, special guys, but they

1372
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: can't play. So that's where you're at. You got to

1373
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: take all that, pack it into a snowball and try

1374
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: and figure out if that snowball is going to hit

1375
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: the mark in the at the next level and does

1376
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: your end if you get a guy who's questionable and character,

1377
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 3: if he if he's had some issues in his past,

1378
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: maybe his fault maybe not. Can your culture inside one

1379
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 3: Bill's drive keep him on the in fact, help the

1380
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: kid make maybe blossom. Maybe it's what he needs. That

1381
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, All of that stuff goes into the

1382
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: recipe of this draft, and that's where you're at. That's

1383
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 3: why they start, that's why they they grill these guys.

1384
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: They want to get to know who they are and

1385
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: what makes them tick and that's a big part of

1386
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 3: the process.

1387
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here, but when we

1388
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: come back, we'll get back to your phone calls. John

1389
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: and Clarence Alex in Kansas City, butch in East Buffalo.

1390
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Speaker 2: We'll get to you when we return here. On One

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, it's Buffalo Bill's Radium.

1392
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker,

1393
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: and if you're just joining us, just wanted to pass

1394
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: along the news that broke at the top of the hour.

1395
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: Bobby Babbage, Bill's linebackers coach, has been promoted to defensive

1396
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: coordinator by head coach Sean McDermott. So if you want

1397
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 2: to react to that, feel free at eighth three, five

1398
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: point fifty, let us know if you're pleased at the promotion.

1399
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: Knowing he was a candidate for the Packers, Giants, and

1400
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins for their defensive coordinator positions. He had been requested

1401
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: for interviews by all three clubs, but he is staying

1402
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: put and now the Bills may have a defensive line

1403
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: coach in linebackers coaching jobs to fill. Knowing Eric Washington

1404
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: moved on to Chicago and now Babbage has the DC role.

1405
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: But let's get back to the phones at eight oh

1406
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 2: three five point fifty one eighty eight, five fifty two,

1407
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. As we

1408
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: are asking you today, how would a youth movement for

1409
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: the Bills roster this offseason make you feel? And we

1410
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: lead off this segment with John and Clarence has promised

1411
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 2: what's up John?

1412
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. Sure boy, where

1413
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 6: do you begin?

1414
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: You know?

1415
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 6: I feel like Chevy Chase in Christmas Vacation where he's

1416
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 6: got that elaborate network of lights and he's trying to

1417
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 6: trouble to shoot what the problem is and it turns

1418
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 6: out to be a switch in the garage. Yeah, I know,

1419
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 6: it's not quite that simple, right, It's not. It's not

1420
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 6: that simple, But you know age has cut up with

1421
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 6: them injuries, the Caps, and so I have two questions

1422
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 6: for you and then i'll hang out. The first is

1423
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 6: where do you begin with this? I mean, obviously they're

1424
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 6: going to have to shed some players and youth movement's

1425
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 6: going to be part of that, But where where do

1426
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 6: you begin? It's almost impossible to realize how they're going

1427
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 6: to fix all these issues with one season. Well, the

1428
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 6: second question I have. The second question I have is

1429
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 6: at what point is coaching accountable?

1430
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 3: All Right?

1431
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 6: And you know I'm talking about the top guy. Now,

1432
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 6: you got to give him credit. He got them to

1433
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 6: the playoffs again when it looked very dismal. All right,

1434
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 6: So you got to give him credit. And they've been

1435
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 6: they've won the division four years in a row, but

1436
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 6: they've never gotten past the hump. At what point does

1437
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 6: Mixtern become accountable for that kind of a situation? Is

1438
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 6: he ever?

1439
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: Uh?

1440
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: How do you think? Do you think he's not accountable, John,

1441
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: because he's still got his job. You think the only

1442
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 3: way to be hold him accountable is to is to

1443
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 3: fire him. So any you'd fire a head coach every

1444
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 3: thirty one. Teams would fire their guy every year if

1445
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 3: he didn't make it. Plus the guys who really got

1446
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: close and were like on the cusp of doing it,

1447
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: those are really the ones you fire because they're so

1448
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: close and they can't do it. That's that's that's that's

1449
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 3: football talk. That's crazy reactionary stuff. You got a team

1450
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 3: that is the cust and has been there. Wait, let

1451
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 3: me finish, John, You got a team that is on

1452
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 3: the cusp every single year. After after having head coach

1453
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 3: after head coach after head coach, and GM after GM

1454
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: after GM could never get even a wisp of it,

1455
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 3: this guy takes over the exact same team and gets

1456
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 3: that exact same roster to the playoffs when nobody else

1457
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 3: could even get a whiff of him. He gets you.

1458
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 3: Not only does he get you the playoffs, but five

1459
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: out of the six years you've been there, he wins

1460
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: a game and you've gotten one AFC championship.

1461
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: Thing.

1462
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: Now you got that, no question. You've got a group

1463
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: in Kansas City that are tough to beat. But let

1464
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 3: me say, it's been three years since this team lost

1465
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 3: a game by more than a single possession, any game

1466
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 3: except in the regular season. Now, they they had a

1467
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: player die on them and they crushed him. Last season,

1468
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 3: they gave up a double digit loss to the to

1469
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals. But other than that, no team has

1470
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: been able to even get away from these guys, let

1471
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 3: alone thump them. So you got a team that is

1472
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: right there every year, and you're gonna let this head

1473
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: coach go. He'll go to another team and then he

1474
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: becomes an Andy Reid and he gets the he gets

1475
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 3: a different quarterback, and he goes to the Super Bowl

1476
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 3: six times in a row. Let him go ahead, John.

1477
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 6: All right, so you you asked me how do you

1478
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 6: keep him account and I said, you keep them accountable

1479
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 6: by eventually letting him go. I am not suggesting you

1480
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 6: fire him. That's not what I said. What I said was,

1481
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 6: or what I asked you seriously, was, at what point

1482
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 6: do you say it's no longer the players, it is

1483
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 6: the coaching system. Never at what point? Never say that.

1484
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 3: You never say it's everybody. It's two, it's it's seven,

1485
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 3: it's seven. It's like one hundred and fifty people, a

1486
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 3: head coach, a GM an owner, a quarterback, a linebackers coach,

1487
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 3: a defensive backs coach. You've got like one hundred and

1488
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: fifty people in the room who are all who all

1489
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 3: have to be pulling it. They all have to hit,

1490
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 3: and sometimes you got to get lucky, like it happens.

1491
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: It happens San Francisco did last week. A ball bounces

1492
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: off a face mask and turns into a first and

1493
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: goal situation and get it on a fifty one yard

1494
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: pass play.

1495
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 3: John, I get it. It's it's so frustrating. For Bill's

1496
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: fans to sit here and say, get to this level

1497
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 3: ever seemingly every year and lose to the same team

1498
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: every single year. At the level of the playoffs that they're at,

1499
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 3: it's ultimately it's ultra frustrating. I get it, But you

1500
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 3: you gotta have so much this team in this building,

1501
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 3: and like the Chiefs and like other teams like well,

1502
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know who else, because it's the Chiefs and

1503
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 3: the Bills.

1504
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: It's Chiefs and everybody else.

1505
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 3: It's the Chiefs and everybody else in the Bills. The

1506
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 3: Bills are the only one in the conversation because the

1507
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 3: only two teams that have won double digits, double digit

1508
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: seasons with double digit wins five seasons in a row.

1509
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: They're the only teams that win a playoff game every season.

1510
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 3: They're the only teams that on a number of different levels,

1511
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: are the only teams in the conversation on a number

1512
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: of different levels. Now, the Chiefs have always gotten the

1513
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 3: better of the Bills in the playoffs. You can't deny it.

1514
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 3: It slaps you in the face.

1515
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 5: And but.

1516
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:04,799
Speaker 3: You're to even entertain that you should change fundamentally everything

1517
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: you're doing because of that last end result. When like

1518
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: the at last end result was was different in every

1519
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 3: one of the three loss? Is it three or is

1520
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 3: at four? Three?

1521
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 2: Was it Houston loss three times to Kansas City, one Cincinnati.

1522
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: And the fifth one to Cincinnati? When not the Cincinnati game,

1523
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: because I think that's been pretty Houston. It's like one

1524
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: thing in every one of those losses that you can

1525
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 3: flip and it has nothing to and none of it

1526
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 3: had to do with the head couting. Well maybe maybe

1527
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: some of them want to.

1528
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: Look, you want to put twenty twenty one on the coaching,

1529
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: I'll listen to that. Okay, twenty twenty one season, you

1530
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: want to put that on the coaching, I'll listen to that.

1531
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: Every other playoff loss that this team has had has

1532
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 2: been execution related. Execution related. Whether you want to go

1533
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: back to twenty nineteen and talk about Duke Williams dropping

1534
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 2: a pass in the end zone, whether you want to

1535
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: talk about this divisional playoff loss to the Chiefs with

1536
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 2: three drop passes on go balls that were there to

1537
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: be made and dropped on a dime by Josh Allen

1538
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: and dropped by the receiver, whatever the case might be.

1539
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: With the exception of twenty twenty one, execution has been

1540
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: the issue. They have not played well enough on that day,

1541
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: just like the Ravens last Sunday did not play their

1542
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: best game. Coaching didn't have a whole lot to do

1543
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: with how that game unfolded, with the possible exception of

1544
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: Todd Monk and their offensive coordinator not calling enough run plays,

1545
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: but beyond that, they were undisciplined. They did not make

1546
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: plays downfield, and they committed three turnovers. You didn't play well,

1547
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: you don't advance. And the other thing is the Chiefs

1548
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: aren't just the Bills problem. They're everybody else's problem too.

1549
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: They've been to the They've been one of the last

1550
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: two teams standing in the AFC each of the last

1551
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 2: six years, and five of the last six years they've

1552
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: gone to the Super or four of the last six

1553
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: years they've gone. For the last five years they've gone

1554
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Cincinnati is the only team that

1555
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: has interrupted that in the entire AFC. So they're everybody's problem,

1556
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: not just the Bills problem.

1557
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, you're you asked about holding the

1558
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: coach accountable, and I'm and I asked you, what are

1559
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 3: you gonna do? And you said, he still has a job.

1560
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 3: If you're gonna come with me that you're gonna say

1561
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: you're firing him.

1562
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why Steve assumed.

1563
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: Don't think, don't think that he's not being held accountable

1564
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: to what's going on inside the building and whatnot. And

1565
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 3: I'll say this too. I came out after the game

1566
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 3: and I said that that coaching job that they did

1567
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 3: at the end of the of the Chiefs game, I

1568
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: loved it because it put that this coaching staff, unlike

1569
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: they did in twenty twenty one when they were in

1570
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and they had the lead at the end

1571
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 3: of the game. This coaching, same coach, did it completely

1572
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 3: different than they did. Then. They put it in the

1573
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 3: hands of the players, said go win it. They put

1574
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 3: it in the hands of the players. They went deep,

1575
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: they did all that stuff. Whereas in twenty twenty one

1576
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: they coached. They remember, they were coaching like not to lose.

1577
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 3: They gave them. They gave the Chiefs everything they wanted

1578
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: with three timeouts left, and they went down, kicked the

1579
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 3: field goal to send it overtime. They lose. They just

1580
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: didn't play. That was coaching. Now you got a coach

1581
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: who went through that and is not doing that he

1582
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 3: gave his players a chance to win it on multiple occasions,

1583
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 3: even if you want to call the kick, going for

1584
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 3: the kick, that's that's where you got to coach. That's

1585
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: where you got to stay as an organization. You've got

1586
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 3: to give it to the players and say go out

1587
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 3: there and do it, because then you're looking at it

1588
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: and you're like going, well, you know, like the Baltimore Ravens,

1589
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 3: like Brown, He's like, they ran the ball. What are

1590
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: they doing? They ran the ball? What do they do?

1591
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: That's that's where they're at. The bills aren't there. There's

1592
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: like they dropped a pass, they fumbled the ball, or

1593
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 3: they you know this. This this on the field, the

1594
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 3: players making plays or not making plays is where you've

1595
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 3: got to stay as a coaching staff. You got to

1596
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: put it on those guys to do it. That's part

1597
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 3: of having one hundred and fifty people in the football

1598
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 3: operations department of your building with fifty three players, however

1599
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 3: many dozen coaches, the training staff, they all got to

1600
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 3: be in it. You got to sooner later you're gonna

1601
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 3: have to depend on that guy. You're gonna have to

1602
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 3: depend on Khalisha Kiir in a playoff game to catch

1603
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 3: a crossing route, break up tackle by Minka Fitzpatrick and

1604
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: get in. You gotta have guys do that, and you

1605
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 3: put it on the players. That's that's where I'm coming from.

1606
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: I'm an old player and that's how you got to play.

1607
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 3: That's how you got to coach. And that's where this

1608
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 3: coaching staff, through all the crap that they've gone through,

1609
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 3: with all the the named losses that we have, that's

1610
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 3: where you're at. They've now learned you got to put

1611
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: it on the It doesn't mean you're always gonna do it,

1612
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: but you got to put it on the players to

1613
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 3: go out and win. And that's where they're at. And

1614
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 3: we've learned the hard lessons. Don't throw the guy overboard

1615
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 3: so he can take his lessons and leave.

1616
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: And now, just really quick, because you also asked about

1617
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: fixing the cap. It starts with Josh Allen. You can

1618
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: do a simple cap conversion there and save about twenty

1619
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: three and a half million. You're forty three over. And

1620
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: there are other means by which you can get some

1621
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: cap relief. You can cut a player after June first

1622
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: and move the money into next year. You can ask

1623
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 2: players to take a pay cut, which they've done before.

1624
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: And you can restructure contracts taking base salary putting it

1625
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: into bonus, which you can then amortize over the life

1626
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: of the contract that remains. Those are the steps that

1627
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: the Bills will take in varying ways over the next

1628
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: few weeks to become cap compliant by March thirteenth, when

1629
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: the free agent market opens. That does not mean they're

1630
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 2: going to be aggressive in free agency. I don't think

1631
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 2: they will. It's going to be an effort just to

1632
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: get cap compliant. They don't want to then just wipe

1633
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: that out, especially with ten draft choices, knowing you're going

1634
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: to need fifteen million a loan for your rookie pool.

1635
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 2: So there are some hoops to jump through in some hurdles,

1636
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: but they've done it before. They'll do it again.

1637
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 3: And one more thing, excuse me, thanks for calling in, John,

1638
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: don't want to. We got into a shout I started.

1639
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 3: I kind of lost and shouted at you, But I

1640
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,959
Speaker 3: appreciate the call. And you're right. They everybody is held accountable,

1641
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 3: but don't think they're not. Just because they're they're holding

1642
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: their job and because we don't hear about it. The

1643
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 3: atmosphere inside those rooms when they go back and watch

1644
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: the game film. Coaches will sit there and they'll like

1645
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 3: they've got the clicker and they'll be running the film

1646
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 3: back and forth and they say, this guy's this play

1647
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 3: right here. This is a bad call. I shouldn't have

1648
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: made this call. We should have run the we should

1649
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 3: have passed, we should have called ABC and D play

1650
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 3: right here instead. And then they'll they're running further and

1651
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: they say, hey, listen, you got to make this play, man.

1652
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: This is why we got you. We trust you. We're

1653
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 3: gonna give you the chance and make the play. And

1654
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: the guys said, yeah, I'm gonna make that play next time.

1655
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 3: They do hold each other accountable, and just because we don't,

1656
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 3: aren't end on those conversations. Don't and don't think, don't

1657
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 3: think one. Perry Terry Pagoula is sitting there across the

1658
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: desk from Sean McDermott, going, Hey, what about it? Why

1659
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 3: did this happen? What's going on? That's what he does,

1660
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 3: is what owners do, and that's what head coaches do

1661
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 3: for their coordinators, and coordinators do for each other, and

1662
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 3: as position coaches, they're all in it together, and part

1663
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 3: of the process is holding yourselves together, all of them

1664
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 3: to the same standard and understanding. Hey, you're not gonna

1665
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 3: do it right every time, but you've got to be

1666
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 3: ready to answer and take ownership when you blow it,

1667
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 3: and you know, and to follow it up. Certainly, everybody

1668
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 3: in this building over the years has had a chance

1669
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: to own up to some mistakes and they've done it.

1670
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 3: They'll do it. But this coaching staff, I'll say it again,

1671
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 3: he's not the same guy he was three years ago.

1672
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: And I'm and I think you've got to let's I

1673
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: think that's a very comforting thing to think about.

1674
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: Break time for us here more of your phone calls

1675
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 2: when we come back on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned

1676
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 2: all right back here on One Bill's Live. How would

1677
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 2: a youth movement for the Bill's roster this off season

1678
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: make you feel? We got to get right back to

1679
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: the phone. Some people waiting patiently. Alex in Kansas City

1680
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: is next? What's up? Alex?

1681
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 6: Hey?

1682
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 8: Guys, how you do I appreciate you taking my call? Hey,

1683
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 8: so real quick? Three things. One, totally on board of

1684
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 8: what you're saying. Steve on McDermott and you know, Sean

1685
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 8: Bean and we got our guys like we got our guys,

1686
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 8: We just got to get lucky on one of these

1687
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 8: one of these playoff runs. And now it's kind of

1688
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 8: curious if you guys had a chance to look at

1689
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 8: any film from the wide receivers in the upcoming class.

1690
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 8: I know you guys are saying that there's gonna be

1691
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 8: a lot of that talent, but yeah, yeah, have you

1692
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 8: got a chance to look at any of them? And

1693
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 8: then how would you guys feel about a moderate trade

1694
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 8: up to in the first round to like if we

1695
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 8: get a trade partner at like twelve or fifteen and

1696
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 8: you know, giving up you know, next year's twenty twenty

1697
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 8: five first round or something like that, Like, you know,

1698
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 8: it has to be the right deal, But I want

1699
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 8: to get your guys' take on that.

1700
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. And I don't know if

1701
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 3: it'd get up that high because that's a big one.

1702
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 3: But you can bet Brandon Bean will get antsy. He's

1703
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 3: he trades up regularly in the first round. I don't

1704
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: know how.

1705
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: I think one year he hasn't done it.

1706
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one year he has not done it, and

1707
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 3: the year he did, Josh Allen he traded up twice,

1708
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 3: leading up to the draft and trade up once, big

1709
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 3: time up leading up to the draft, and then he

1710
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 3: traded up again right on draft day.

1711
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 8: So he'll do it to see that kind of move exactly, I.

1712
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: Agree with Yeah. I think it's if it's for an

1713
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 3: alpha dog, right, a wide out. I mean I think

1714
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: I would he. I'd do it if he if he

1715
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: thinks he's got a line on a guy who's dropped

1716
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 3: a little bit and there's a spot in the in

1717
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: the group ahead of him. I don't think he can

1718
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 3: get into the team. I don't think he can get

1719
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 3: up to twelve to ten spots. That's a big that's

1720
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: a big ask. But yeah, from twenty eight down to

1721
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 3: what twenty four twenty three?

1722
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe right. And I think having seen him operate

1723
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 2: from a position where he's at now before, we can

1724
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: kind of get an idea on how he usually plays this.

1725
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I think he sees how the top ten shakes out,

1726
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 2: how many quarterbacks have been taken to push other talent

1727
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 2: down the board, knowing the Bills don't need one, and

1728
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: then assessing what figures to be left. He and his

1729
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: personnel department are also extremely accurate in pegging needs of

1730
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: other teams. And where they believe they are going to

1731
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: go with their respective picks in front of them. Now, again,

1732
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 2: when you're picking twenty eighth, it's really hard to know

1733
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: how the board is going to fall in front of you,

1734
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: especially knowing there could be other teams trading up into

1735
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 2: those spots that are held by other teams before the

1736
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: draft starts. So there is a challenge there, But I

1737
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: think he and his personnel department have navigated it quite well,

1738
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: picking as low as they have the last several years.

1739
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 2: But I think a move of three to five spots

1740
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: up is realistic from down there. More than that you're

1741
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 2: giving up too much draft capital, and knowing the youth

1742
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 2: movement this roster has to undergo this offseason, I think

1743
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: he would be inclined to keep as many of his

1744
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: picks as he can, knowing he's going to need that

1745
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 2: young talent to add to the roster in a lot

1746
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: of different places, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

1747
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's possible that you know that they

1748
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 3: he does move up, and I'm I'm with Brownie. I

1749
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 3: think last year they moved. Did they move up to

1750
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: get Kincaid? I think they did write a couple of

1751
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 3: spots spot and it was to the point where I

1752
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 3: liked it when they When they drafted him, some of

1753
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: the draft analysts were like, wow, if you're gonna let

1754
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 3: I remember who was Daniel Jeremiah saying, if you're gonna

1755
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 3: let the Bills get Dalton Kincaid, you get what you

1756
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,799
Speaker 3: deserve because King Kaid was a good player. So you're

1757
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 3: there's still gonna be players in this draft. Even at

1758
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 3: twenty eight. The Buffalo is gonna be the people are

1759
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 3: gonna say, wow, he could come in and play for

1760
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 3: that team, particularly given given the holes in the roster

1761
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 3: right now. You know, if D line whether it's a

1762
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 3: D lineman or an edge rusher or whatever or white

1763
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 3: out like we're talking about, Uh, there's gonna be a

1764
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 3: guy there that people are gonna say, Yeah, Okay, there's

1765
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 3: a guy that's gonna they're gonna plug in and play.

1766
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 3: Hopefully that's the kind of reviews you get when you

1767
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: make that pick.

1768
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest, we're still I'm just getting

1769
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: started on draft town. The season just ended, so flipping

1770
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 2: the page, I'm only just getting started now. There are

1771
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: some guys I've seen more than others, like a. D

1772
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Mitchell at Texas. I saw a lot of him at

1773
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,839
Speaker 2: Georgia just because I watch a lot of Georgia football

1774
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 2: and I like him a lot, and I think he

1775
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: could be available down there at twenty eight uh. And

1776
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: there are others that you know, could step right in that.

1777
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 2: I think they could get a twenty eight uh. Even

1778
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 2: if like the top five or six are off the board,

1779
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 2: there's still really good receiver, one potential talent, you know,

1780
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 2: number one guy, maybe not right away, but by mid

1781
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 2: season could step into a role like that. So hopefully

1782
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 2: that happens. Let's quickly squeeze in Butcher here before the break.

1783
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: What do you got for his Butcher?

1784
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 9: Gentlemen, gentlemen, thanks so taking my call. Steve, Steve, Steve, stevee.

1785
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 9: You know I love you so much, you my brother man,

1786
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 9: but you got to put your boxing gloves back on.

1787
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 9: I know I'm not gonna be able to go two rounds.

1788
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 9: We don't go run round or marrow. I'm go a

1789
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,799
Speaker 9: second round because I love you. But let me explain

1790
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 9: something to you. I went the last call John, that

1791
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 9: the last call the called before with John. I understand

1792
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 9: what John. I understand where John was going with that.

1793
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 9: I understand where you were going with it too, Steve,

1794
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 9: But let me just let me just throw this out here,

1795
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 9: because I'm not just a regular fan. I let regular

1796
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 9: call it. I've been calling thirty seven years. And this

1797
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 9: is the reason why. Back in nineteen seventy eight, we

1798
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 9: get a general named Bob Lusty. Bob Lusting's good friends

1799
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 9: with my family. He went at Georgia Tech and drafted

1800
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 9: my cousin, Lucia Stamford the kay and draft drafted in

1801
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 9: the fourth round by the Buffalo Looms eighty ninth overall.

1802
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 9: He played outside linebacker.

1803
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 3: Lucia's I know Lucius Stanford, Yeah, go ahead.

1804
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 9: He's a great. He's a great, He's a great, great guy.

1805
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 9: He's just remember and I love him. Anyway. Reason I

1806
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 9: brought that up is because what John was speaking about,

1807
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 9: what I'm going to speak about Sean McDermott is this

1808
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 9: when when when before Stu Barbro took over, he even

1809
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 9: though Luci's played sixteen games, he didn't record a lot

1810
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 9: of tackles at that time. But he's a hell of

1811
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 9: a player. We got players on his football team. When

1812
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 9: you were talking about a Brandon Bean about drafting, we

1813
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 9: have a lot of good players. But at the same

1814
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,480
Speaker 9: exact time, he got a coach. Like you said, Stevey,

1815
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 9: I'm I'm fifty eight years old, retired teacher, retired military.

1816
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 9: He's old fashioned, just like you just said. He's from

1817
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 9: roller squa off from old school sometime with nowadays, with

1818
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 9: these new kids nowadays, they play video games, they play bad,

1819
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 9: they want to be good on it. These kids are

1820
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 9: ready to play. You have players already where we already had.

1821
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 9: The Brandon Bean has caught heap for the last years

1822
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 9: saying he did not hit on the draft picks. Yes

1823
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 9: he did, because they played well at other places. But

1824
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 9: we as a coach, we as a staff, don't play

1825
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 9: our young players. Now we have to because of economics.

1826
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 9: Now I'm gonna go on this note moving forward, coming

1827
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 9: with this draft and what we have already on ourselves.

1828
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 9: We have a Justine Shorter who could have helped us

1829
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 9: this year. We have a Terrell Shavers who could have

1830
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 9: helped us. He is in the receiver. They was way

1831
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 9: over shuff there. They was way overhearty. But what we

1832
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 9: did we were with the money over the draft picks

1833
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 9: or the free agents. This time, moving forward, this is

1834
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 9: where I'm kind of disagreeing with the I'm not mad

1835
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 9: that the guy got promoted. I'm happy he got a

1836
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 9: new bag. But with the other two, if the coaching

1837
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 9: slots you got, you better go out there and bring

1838
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 9: in some younger coaches in here to play with them.

1839
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 9: Let these younger kids play. These younger kids and all

1840
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 9: these other fords. These last two teams in the Super

1841
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 9: Bowl have rookies and younger free agents. If you don't

1842
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 9: believe me, except this one team and I'm done after

1843
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 9: this is the La Rams take the La ramsboard. Yet,

1844
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 9: even though they're not in the Super Bowl, they have

1845
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 9: a wide receiver they drafted in the middle rounds. There's

1846
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 9: there's running that they helped their football team are the

1847
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 9: only reason they can help you was then let him play.

1848
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 9: We have to let our young kids play. So when

1849
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 9: I when with John and you, though, I'm not saying

1850
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 9: totally agree with John saying that was his point, but

1851
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 9: when he said sometime a coach has to be held accountable,

1852
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 9: I understand I'm holding the Shamble who I love dearly

1853
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 9: accountable by not letting his young players play where they

1854
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 9: need him now going forward, they should have been already

1855
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 9: playing already. I love you guys, thank you so much

1856
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 9: man to take him up home.

1857
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.

1858
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of hear you too, but I and

1859
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 3: I listen. I'm with you. I'm I'd like to know why,

1860
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 3: and I get it. We've seen a little bit of it.

1861
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 3: Why you know Kyrie eeemism been playing? What's the deal?

1862
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 3: Because he seems like he's a great athlete and he

1863
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 3: was nicked up I guess at the end of the

1864
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 3: beginning of this year, and then maybe you don't throw

1865
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 3: him back in. But when he got out there, it

1866
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 3: was a roller coaster. He was two really bad plays

1867
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 3: and then a great play on the interception, right, So

1868
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 3: maybe that's the roller coaster you're gonna have to ride.

1869
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 3: And I would think that if we're gonna start playing

1870
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 3: the young players, that's more of what you get. And

1871
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 3: when you've got a team that is, you know, proven

1872
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: a lot, and got guys that you know, maybe it's

1873
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 3: it's McDermott's philosophy that when you do get these young

1874
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 3: guys in there, and you're gonna ride that roller coaster.

1875
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: He'd rather have the floor be set and ask older,

1876
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 3: more trusted players to make plays. On the top end

1877
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 3: and cut off the trough of the plays like Kyrie Eland.

1878
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 3: We're watching that interception right now where and remember this

1879
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 3: was a great play, but two plays before that he

1880
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 3: had a penalty and then he had Uh. I can't uh.

1881
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 3: He had two bad plays right right before the pick.

1882
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 3: So it was a roller coaster even in a few

1883
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 3: defensive defensive holding in a pass interference. So I get it,

1884
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 3: and I'm with you. I'm ready, I'm ready. I trust

1885
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 3: the rookies, I guess more than Sean McDermott seems to trust.

1886
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, he may have no choice next year, and yeah.

1887
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 3: It may. He may not have a choice next year.

1888
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 3: And I'll say but I'll say this too. When push

1889
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 3: comes to shove, and I know you you mentioned Terrell

1890
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 3: Shavers and Justin Shorter. When push comes to shove, if

1891
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 3: they've got a guy they think can help them win games,

1892
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 3: there's no way they leave him on the practice squad.

1893
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: If he's a better option for whatever reason, you know

1894
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna put him on the active roster. Don't think

1895
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 3: they won't do it just because he's a young guy.

1896
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: If they did it with Gabe Davis, they did it

1897
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: with Matt Mulano. They did it with Christian Benford, they

1898
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: did it with a ton of guys, so I they will.

1899
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 3: It's not like they will never do it, because they

1900
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 3: do and they have. But right so they're gonna They're

1901
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 3: gonna be in a spot where you know, there are

1902
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 3: certain things they look for that maybe we can't see

1903
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 3: that gets young players on the on the field here

1904
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, and I think that's what what bothers a

1905
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 3: lot of people. The stuff they look for to get

1906
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 3: young players on the field. In this coaching staff are

1907
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 3: some of the things that we don't get it privy,

1908
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 3: We aren't privy to and that's what keep the young

1909
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 3: guys off the field because sometimes they get on the

1910
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 3: field and they make a play like Kyrie Elam did,

1911
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 3: It's like, why are you playing well? There's a lot

1912
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 3: of million reasons.

1913
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 2: Ye gotta take a break here. When we come back,

1914
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,719
Speaker 2: we've got a season wrap up edition of the Maddie

1915
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: Awards and here to do that is who else our

1916
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 2: colleague Maddie claps. She'll join us in studio for hour

1917
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Speaker 2: number three here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health.

1918
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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1919
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

1920
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 2: All Right, our number three Chris Brown, Steve Tasker and

1921
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 2: joined in studio now by our colleague Matty Glab for

1922
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: a season wrap up edition of the Maddy Awards presented

1923
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: by Energy Mark, the official energy supplier of the Buffalo Bills.

1924
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 2: Time to turn those frowns upside down, everybody.

1925
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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, we are in the positivity business right now, guys,

1926
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 10: we are going to pump some positivity into all of

1927
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 10: you are listening and tuning in and to Brownie and Tasker,

1928
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 10: I know you guys have had a great show so far,

1929
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,560
Speaker 10: so let's keep it going with some awards.

1930
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Speaker 11: MVP number one, This one was.

1931
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 10: So easy, too easy, because you've got to give credit

1932
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 10: where credit is due. Josh Allen was Buffalo's most valuable

1933
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 10: player and I think he also proved that he's the

1934
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 10: MVP of the league. He etched his name in more

1935
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 10: record books in year six and showed with seventeen at

1936
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 10: the Helm, anything is possible. He took six and six

1937
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 10: team that many doubted, and steered the ship to five

1938
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 10: straight wins and a fourth straight AFC East title. He

1939
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 10: led the NFL with most total touchdowns at forty four

1940
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 10: most offensive yards four eight hundred and thirty, also led

1941
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 10: the league in red zone touchdowns and tied for the

1942
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 10: most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in a single season.

1943
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,560
Speaker 10: That was the highest number in NFL history along with

1944
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts. There, he accounted for eighty six point three

1945
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 10: percent of Buffalo's offensive touchdowns this season, which is the

1946
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 10: most by any player in twenty seventeen. That's literally the

1947
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 10: definition of most valuable when you account for that many touchdowns.

1948
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 10: He's also the first player in NFL history to have

1949
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 10: four straight seasons of at least forty offensive touchdowns. I

1950
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 10: could go on and on about this guy, but I

1951
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 10: think back to several games this season when the game

1952
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 10: was on the line and how Josh Allen just kicked

1953
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 10: it into another gear. He turned into a transformer, a

1954
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 10: monster truck, a grizzly bear, whatever you want to call him,

1955
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 10: and was able to wreck opposing defense's game plans, whether

1956
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 10: it was scrambling for a first down when nobody thought

1957
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 10: it was possible, or being able to complete a pass

1958
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,839
Speaker 10: that looked like there was no window to complete anything.

1959
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 10: And he had that scramble and that juke for that

1960
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 10: fifty two yard rushing touchdown against the Steelers and the playoffs,

1961
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 10: and then he had that touchdown pass on the run

1962
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 10: to Kalil Shakir on third and goal against the Chiefs

1963
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,919
Speaker 10: in the divisional round that gave the Bills the lead heading.

1964
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 11: Into the fourth quarter.

1965
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 10: Those were just a couple plays that you know, may

1966
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 10: have looked impossible, but with Alan they were completely possible.

1967
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 10: I think when the lights are bright, Alan shines brighter.

1968
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 10: And people talk about this window was closing in Buffalo

1969
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 10: and YadA, YadA, YadA. Well, the window can't close when

1970
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 10: you have seventeen as your quarterback, because he's gonna bust

1971
01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 10: right through that window and break it down.

1972
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,919
Speaker 11: He's the best in the league at what he does.

1973
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 10: And he deserves to be the MVP. And we are

1974
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 10: so lucky that he continues to give this team a

1975
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 10: chance at the super Bowl every single year.

1976
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 3: Waiting, I like it put on the table.

1977
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a campaign speech there. That was good.

1978
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: I will let you know, Maddie, and I haven't told

1979
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Steve this officially, but I am officially putting an embargo

1980
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: on any and all window conversations on this show. One

1981
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, No longer discusses window discussions. It's off limits.

1982
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 2: It has been embargoed. I'm not doing it anymore, just

1983
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 2: not doing it here on this show. I'm so sick

1984
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 2: of that conversation. I really am.

1985
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right, Maddie. He he was in the

1986
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 3: conversation in week one, he got off to we got

1987
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 3: off to the rough start when he went down, he

1988
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 3: saw Aaron Rodgers go down the other side of the

1989
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 3: field and decided he could win the game every play,

1990
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 3: and he cost him that that opening game. And after that,

1991
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 3: you know, he settled in and all of a sudden,

1992
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 3: just you know, he kind of went bonkers for the

1993
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 3: entire season. So it was he word has he's not

1994
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 3: gonna win the MVP, but certainly he's a finalist. He

1995
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 3: deserves to be a finalist. I think he had. He

1996
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 3: had a better year than any other quarterback. And and

1997
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 3: for all the people out there who aren't Bills fans

1998
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 3: or maybe Bill's fans too, who says, well, he turns

1999
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 3: it over too much, I would say this, No he doesn't, No, no,

2000
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He got him to play. He didn't turn

2001
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 3: it over in the playoffs, and that's when you know,

2002
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 3: and he got him there with eighty two percent of

2003
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 3: the touchdowns. Yeah, this is a guy that he's the

2004
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 3: he's a he is the ultimate weapon in the NFL

2005
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 3: right now, and then he continues to play like it.

2006
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: All right, So we go from one MVP award to

2007
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 2: another MVP award. I was blink.

2008
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,799
Speaker 10: I was thinking, we need to give a Trench's MVP

2009
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 10: award because these guys, it all starts at the line

2010
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 10: of scrimmage. We hear Sean McDermott talk about it all

2011
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 10: the time. It starts up front. And the that the

2012
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 10: offensive line did this season was just so impressive. I

2013
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 10: can't give it to just one guy. So the Trench's

2014
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 10: MVP is the entire offensive line for how they helped

2015
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 10: Josh Allen operate, how they got the rushing offense going.

2016
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 10: I mean, they finished the season ranked as the seventh

2017
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 10: the best rushing offense, and they ranked top five down

2018
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 10: the stretch there when they were winning game after game

2019
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 10: after game. The way that this group came together and

2020
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 10: put the film on display that they had game after

2021
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 10: game of these five guys who did not miss a

2022
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 10: game together. I mean, I think back to the last

2023
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 10: few seasons and how players were in and out of

2024
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 10: the lineup at offensive line, and it was tough to

2025
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 10: get that chemistry going. And this season that was not

2026
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 10: the case. These guys were healthy. They were on the

2027
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 10: field for every single game. I mean, Dion Dawkins put

2028
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:55,600
Speaker 10: one of his best seasons together protecting Josh Allen. And

2029
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 10: then you think about Mitch Morse, the solid center of

2030
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 10: that defense, of that offense, and the job that he did.

2031
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 10: They call him Dad for a reason, yes, because he

2032
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:06,520
Speaker 10: is so reliable.

2033
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 11: He's Spencer Brown.

2034
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 10: He finally got through a healthy season and proved that

2035
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 10: he's the future of that right tackle spot with his play.

2036
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 10: Connor McGovern stepped into a new team and locked down

2037
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 10: the left guard spot and quickly found his way into

2038
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 10: this team and I don't understand why the Cowboys let

2039
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 10: him go. And then there's o Cyrus Torrance, who did

2040
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 10: not miss a snap during his rookie season. I'm so

2041
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 10: impressed with his play and how he's able to pick

2042
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 10: up life in the NFL so quickly. And the group

2043
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 10: is if you talk to them, they talked about how

2044
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 10: how tight they became off the field, and I think

2045
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 10: you saw that play out with their with their play.

2046
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 11: On the field.

2047
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 10: They didn't miss beat this year, and that's why they

2048
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 10: deserve the Trench's MVP.

2049
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:55,759
Speaker 11: Award, and they're all going to be back next season.

2050
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 3: You think about it, you can kind of think of

2051
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 3: the only time when those five guys weren't out there,

2052
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 3: and it's when Dion Dawkins got his hand cut in

2053
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 3: the playoff game against Pittsburgh, Right, That's the only time

2054
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 3: he ever came off the field. And then Vandermark goes

2055
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 3: in and it's the great exchange between them and where

2056
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 3: they had a touchdown drive with Vander Market left tackle

2057
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 3: and Dion was right there to give him a big hug.

2058
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 3: So those five guys being able to stay healthy and

2059
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 3: on the field, that I think that's you know, you

2060
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 3: can count a lot of that towards the success of

2061
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 3: what the Bills offense had this year.

2062
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 2: All Right, So the next one up is the biggest surprise.

2063
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 11: Biggest surprise is going to Terrell Bernard.

2064
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,640
Speaker 10: I thought that he could surprise some people with what

2065
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 10: he was going to be able to do at that

2066
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 10: mike linebacker spot once he was named the starting linebacker

2067
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 10: on this team, but I was not expecting what we

2068
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 10: got from him. Holy Moly, he turned a lot of heads.

2069
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 10: Brandon Bean and the scouting department know exactly what they're doing,

2070
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 10: and Bobby bad bitch knows how to.

2071
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 11: Coach up his players.

2072
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 10: And hey, now he's the defensive coordinator I mean Bernard

2073
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 10: and played lights out without Matt Milano next to him.

2074
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 11: I love that for this guy.

2075
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 10: When a lot of people doubted that he deserved the

2076
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 10: starting job, he proved that this is my job and

2077
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 10: I am not going anywhere. He finished leading the team

2078
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 10: with one hundred and forty three total tackles, which is

2079
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 10: the most by a Bill since twenty seventeen, had six

2080
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 10: and a half sacks, three interceptions, three forced fumbles, nine

2081
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 10: quarterback hits, and at six two hundred twenty four pounds,

2082
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 10: do not let his sides fool you, because he was

2083
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 10: a complete ball hawk all season. He stepped up into

2084
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 10: a big leadership role this year, wearing the green dot,

2085
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 10: being the quarterback of that defense, and he said he

2086
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 10: had incredible growth this season and he looks forward to

2087
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 10: becoming an even better version of himself for next year.

2088
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,599
Speaker 10: I feel really good about the guy who's the quarterback

2089
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 10: of the defense, just with how I watched him operate

2090
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 10: on the field. And carry himself off the field. I

2091
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 10: think Buffalo's got that spot locked down for the foreseeable

2092
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 10: future with Trell Bernard, I.

2093
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 3: Would agree with you. I think when you look at

2094
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 3: it from where we started with him and what I thought.

2095
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 3: You know, I had doubts about him as well. I

2096
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 3: was like, hen, I wonder how he's gonna do. I

2097
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 3: wonder how he's gonna be Is he gonna be able

2098
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 3: to end? Man? O? Man? Did he absolutely exceed.

2099
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,919
Speaker 2: Expectation And boy was he sorely missed in the playoff

2100
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 2: game against the Chiefs.

2101
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.

2102
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 2: Totally unfortunate that that took place. But you win some,

2103
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 2: you lose some. In terms of player availability, he was

2104
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 2: available for most of the season. All Right, we go

2105
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 2: from biggest surprise to most improved.

2106
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 10: Most improved is going to Khalul Shakir. In his rookie season,

2107
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 10: he had just ten catches for a round one hundred

2108
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 10: and sixty receiving yards. In year two, he more than

2109
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 10: triples those numbers thirty nine catches for just over six

2110
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 10: hundred receiving yards. He's the most improved player for the

2111
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 10: role that he was able to earn himself within this offense.

2112
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 10: It wasn't a role that was just given to him

2113
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 10: in week one. He had to work for it. He

2114
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 10: had to earn it, and he definitely did. He's such

2115
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 10: a reliable weapon for josh Allen. Alan could whip it

2116
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 10: on over to him and Khalisha Kiir would do what

2117
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 10: he needed to do to get open and make the catch.

2118
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 10: He finished his second NFL season leading the league in

2119
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 10: catch rate for wide receivers at eighty six point seven percent.

2120
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 10: Josh Allen also had a passer rating of around one

2121
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 10: thirty nine when targeting Shakir, which ranked near the top

2122
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 10: of the league for quarterback wide receiver duos. He had

2123
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 10: two really really impressive catches touchdown catches in the postseason

2124
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 10: that went against the Steelers where he was basically pulled

2125
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 10: to the ground was able to spin out of it

2126
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 10: and run into the end zone for the touchdown. And

2127
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:35,560
Speaker 10: of course that touchdown grab that he had against the

2128
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 10: Chiefs in the corner of the end zone on third

2129
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 10: and goal toward the end of the game.

2130
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 11: He had to come to the ball.

2131
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 10: He had to keep his feet and bounds and make

2132
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 10: that catches he was falling down. He was a fifth

2133
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 10: round wide receiver who played way above where he was drafted,

2134
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 10: and I expect him to do a lot more of

2135
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 10: that this next season. Brandon Bean called him dependable, sneaky, fast,

2136
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 10: and someone who lays it all on the line. And

2137
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 10: I think we saw that all year.

2138
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that touchdown that he had in the

2139
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 2: playoff game against the Steelers when he got away from

2140
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 2: Minka Fitzpatrick. Everybody's talking about how he got away from Fitzpatrick.

2141
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 2: Go back and watch how he shook Michael Walker, the linebacker,

2142
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 2: completely out of his shoes.

2143
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2144
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 2: I mean he left him like a house on the

2145
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 2: side of the road. It was such a juke, like

2146
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 2: he was a frozen game. I said during the game,

2147
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 2: he's a frozen pizza, because that's what they looked.

2148
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 3: Like from Minka Fitzpatrick comes out in the jab move.

2149
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 2: He puts right there.

2150
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 3: That's what got him into the ends.

2151
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming.

2152
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an elite move. It's absolutely Barry Sanders ask.

2153
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 3: That's exactly the way Barry used to just and and

2154
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 3: Walker was the same way. I mean he almost broke

2155
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 3: his ankle and uh that was you know, you had

2156
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 3: to have it. He made that play and he became

2157
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 3: a guy, you know, it you think about, it's hard

2158
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 3: to do this as a player. Be one of those

2159
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 3: guys where all the fans in the stands are man,

2160
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 3: get fine Shakir man. You know, throw the ball to Shakir,

2161
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 3: you get a first, you get a third and six

2162
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 3: or you know, a second and long. Say just get

2163
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 3: it to Shakiir and get the first down. You know

2164
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 3: a guy that becomes kind of this go to fan

2165
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 3: wish just to get him the ball and get him

2166
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 3: a him get his first town so we can keep going.

2167
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the most encouraging thing is the fact

2168
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 2: that he came on late, yeah in the season, Like

2169
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 2: it wasn't like he put this wire to wire season,

2170
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 2: So he came on late. And I would argue at

2171
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 2: the end of the year, even though the Bill's lost,

2172
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 2: he was still ascending. So the thought about what he

2173
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 2: could be next year is really encouraging in light of

2174
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 2: how he finished on such a high note. So yeah,

2175
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 2: I mean, those are two young guys back to back

2176
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 2: to rel Bernard Khalil Shakir, and we've got more in

2177
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 2: the most promised category.

2178
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 10: The most promised o Cyrus Torrents and don't concate a

2179
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 10: couple of rookies showed why the future is bright in

2180
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 10: Buffalo this season. These rookies played right away and they

2181
01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 10: made an impact quickly. You know, we heard from Brandon

2182
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 10: being after the season and he talked about this draft

2183
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 10: is really important. We may need playing time out of

2184
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 10: these guys this season because of our cap space, because

2185
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,639
Speaker 10: of where we're at. Well, these two rookies were drafted

2186
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 10: and played immediately and made an impact right away. So

2187
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 10: maybe we'll see more of that next season with a

2188
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 10: new group of rookies coming in here in just a

2189
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 10: few months. So Dalky Kaid broke the rookie receptions record

2190
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 10: for the Bills, finishing with seventy three catches. Was also

2191
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 10: the most by a Bill's tight end in a single season.

2192
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 10: Between the regular season and the playoffs, he finished with

2193
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 10: almost seven hundred and eighty receiving yards. Just like Shakir,

2194
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 10: he proved that he's a reliable weapon for Josh. He

2195
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 10: makes life tough for defenses with his size and his catchability.

2196
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 10: And then there's o Cyrus Torrance, who was thrown into

2197
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 10: a starting role right away in his first NFL season

2198
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 10: and showed that it wasn't too big for him. He's

2199
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 10: a guy who's tall in stature, but he's got good hands,

2200
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 10: he's light on his feet. He had a first season,

2201
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 10: and it's going to be fun to see what he

2202
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 10: does coming off of his first NFL offseason. Because I

2203
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 10: spoke with him toward the end of the year and

2204
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 10: I was like, can you believe it's just week sixteen

2205
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 10: or already week sixteen, already week seventeen, and you know,

2206
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 10: these guys go through their final year in college football

2207
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 10: and they're playing twelve weeks and you hear about the

2208
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 10: rookie wall, and he said he was feeling it. He

2209
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 10: was feeling it, you know, heading into that bye week

2210
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 10: and was able to get out of it and really

2211
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 10: finish off his rookie season strong. So I can't imagine

2212
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 10: I'm excited to see what we're going to get out

2213
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 10: of this guy with some fresh legs heading into year two.

2214
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2215
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and as well, not only Kincaid but also Osiris Torrance,

2216
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 3: who you know played every snap. You're right, you forget

2217
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 3: we needed some guys to come in and start and

2218
01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 3: play and have significant roles offensively, defensively on and they did.

2219
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 3: These two guys came in and filled that then, which

2220
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 3: is what we're talking. We've been talking about that the

2221
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 3: whole show today, about how they got to find guys

2222
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 3: who can actually get plugged in and play. They've proven

2223
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 3: they can find those guys in the draft.

2224
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Next up, the biggest steal.

2225
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 10: All right, that's going to one of the defensive linemen

2226
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 10: who I thought was the biggest steal this season. This

2227
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 10: man was waiting around until early June and was signed

2228
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 10: by the Bills. The Bills are lucky to have gotten him.

2229
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 10: It's Leonard Floyd. He led the team with ten and

2230
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 10: a half sacks nineteen quarterback hits. He was a game wrecker,

2231
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 10: made life hard for quarterbacks. He's thirty one years old,

2232
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 10: but he proved there's still a lot more left in

2233
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 10: the tank for him this season. He said that he

2234
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 10: loved playing in a defense like the Bills had because

2235
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 10: it was all about getting after the quarterback, and that's

2236
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 10: exactly what he did. The Bills finished fourth with the

2237
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 10: fourth most sacks with fifty four, and six most quarterback

2238
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 10: hits with one hundred and ten, and Leonard Floyd was

2239
01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 10: a big part of that. I know we didn't see

2240
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 10: as much of him at the end of the season,

2241
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 10: but he was a workhorse for this defensive line and

2242
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 10: did a lot on the end there.

2243
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten and a half sacks. I know, he got

2244
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 2: his big old bonus for getting to double digits. First

2245
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 2: player to get to double digits since Lorenzo Alexander in

2246
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen.

2247
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he had.

2248
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 2: Twelve and a half, So first guy to do that. Yeah,

2249
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 2: and fought through some injuries too, you know, I know,

2250
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 2: his production kind of dropped off towards the end of

2251
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: the year. He was really gutting it out with a

2252
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 2: rib injury and an ankle problem and was kind of

2253
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,959
Speaker 2: playing hurt down the stretch there and into the postseason.

2254
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a huge, huge pickup by the Bills,

2255
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 3: had a great season when the Bills really needed him

2256
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 3: to and he was consistent. He was there, showed up

2257
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 3: every week. And that's really you know, when you talk

2258
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 3: about things you'd like to see out of free agent,

2259
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 3: he checks all the boxes. Production, availability, and really at

2260
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 3: a time when you really needed him, timeliness. I couldn't

2261
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 3: ask for a better season out of Leonard Floyd.

2262
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 2: Best comeback.

2263
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 10: Best comeback is going to our guy tomar Hamlin. Just

2264
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 10: around six months after his cardiac arrest, DeMar Hamlin was

2265
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 10: back on the field in full pads, getting ready for

2266
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 10: another NFL season. He played in five games this year,

2267
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 10: with a role mostly on special teams, but his comeback

2268
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 10: from having to be resuscitated on the field that night

2269
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 10: on January twod to playing in an NFL game just

2270
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 10: a season later is nothing short of amazing, And all

2271
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 10: the little steps and the progress that he made along

2272
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 10: the way to get him there were just incredible. I

2273
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 10: think the most incredible part, though, has been able to

2274
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 10: is being able to see what he's done in terms

2275
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 10: of giving back to the community, to our country, to Buffalo,

2276
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 10: to Pittsburgh. He's still the same guy with the big

2277
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 10: heart and the big smile and the great personality, but

2278
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 10: now he has an even bigger impact on our world

2279
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 10: today in the best way.

2280
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 3: I know.

2281
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 10: He's up for Comeback Player of the Year. I really

2282
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 10: hope he gets that.

2283
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: Well.

2284
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 3: I mean, just simply put, nobody came back further than

2285
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 3: he did. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm been trying

2286
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 3: to be funny, but good goodness gracious, what a what

2287
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 3: a story it's been. And to see him come out

2288
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 3: and be a part of the team, and I think

2289
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 3: we've come a long way too, and it's it's kind

2290
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 3: of relieving to think about that. How much week now

2291
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 3: we take him for granted. Now, yeah, okay, Tomar's here,

2292
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna play. It's like, okay, fine, Remember in them

2293
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 3: early in the season, people, he was a big deal.

2294
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 3: TV cameras, yeah, people, TV cameras were finding him, they

2295
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 3: followed him, they made sure that they got a shot

2296
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 3: of him on all the broadcasts. And now that that's

2297
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 3: all settled down and he can just be a pro football.

2298
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 11: Player, can be a locker, all right. Best moment, okay,

2299
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 11: best moment.

2300
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 10: It was hard to just pick one moment, so I'm

2301
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 10: choosing several weeks instead. It's the run that the Bills

2302
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 10: went on after their Week thirteen by when they had

2303
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 10: to win out if they wanted another afcast title and

2304
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 10: if they wanted to see it at the postseason table.

2305
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 10: And they did exactly that, five straight wins against some

2306
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 10: big time opponents like the Chiefs, the Cowboys, and the Dolphins.

2307
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 10: Many people counted this team out and said they did

2308
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 10: not belong in the playoffs this year, but the Bills

2309
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 10: turned their backs to all that noise and instead they

2310
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 10: got closer as a group and tighter as a team,

2311
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:20,280
Speaker 10: and they were able to turn the season completely around.

2312
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 10: I'm really impressed with how they were able to get

2313
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 10: into the playoffs and how they were able to put

2314
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 10: it together when it really mattered, when they needed it most.

2315
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 10: I think it speaks to the leadership and maturity in

2316
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 10: that locker room, especially the leadership from their quarterback Josh Allen.

2317
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was you knew they had it in them

2318
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 3: to make the run, but you know, they had to

2319
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 3: go through the Chiefs, They had to go through the

2320
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 3: Cowboys and the Chargers, they had to go through the

2321
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 3: Patriots and the Dolphins. Who the Dolphins were you know,

2322
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 3: flying high at that moment, and it just there were

2323
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 3: so many people said, you know, and you tweeted all

2324
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 3: the guys in the media, the local media, They're.

2325
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 2: Like, it's over. You know, they're done.

2326
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 3: You know, they're absolutely stick a fork in them, and

2327
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have it. They put together an nice win

2328
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:05,880
Speaker 3: streak and it was really punctuated, and they got off

2329
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 3: to a good start by beating the Chiefs in Kansas City,

2330
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 3: and then what really set it up for a stretch

2331
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 3: run was the huge win over Dallas. Dallas comes in

2332
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 3: and they were playing and winning games and had their

2333
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 3: designs on winning their division, which they ultimately ended up doing,

2334
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 3: and the Bills absolutely thumped them, absolutely thumped them. And

2335
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 3: I think that put the Bills back in a spot

2336
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 3: where mentally and even with their fan base, guys like

2337
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 3: people like us and the fans at large, were like,

2338
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 3: maybe they can, maybe they can do it.

2339
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 2: Best play, We're gonna go around the horn on this one,

2340
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 2: so we all get a crack at this one. And

2341
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:50,880
Speaker 2: I guess I will go first based on the order

2342
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 2: I see it in the rundown here. So I like

2343
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 2: always giving credit to the guys that don't get a

2344
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:58,560
Speaker 2: lot of shine, and that's usually the guys on defense

2345
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 2: or on special team, and so I picked aj Epenes's

2346
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 2: interception return for a touchdown against Washington. All the way

2347
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 2: back in Week three, we saw aj get his hands

2348
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 2: on passes before Batton down passes, knocking things down, and

2349
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:16,880
Speaker 2: I think he said a career high in that category

2350
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 2: this season, but this was his first career interception and

2351
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 2: it went for a touchdown on a pick six. I

2352
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 2: don't know if it gets better than that for a

2353
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 2: defensive lineman because they don't have a lot of interceptions

2354
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 2: in their career, and his first one of his career

2355
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 2: goes for a pick six. And it wasn't like a

2356
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 2: five yard run to the end zone. This went for

2357
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 2: like thirty plus. Yeah, and it was cool.

2358
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 3: It was like a two yard pass too. I mean

2359
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 3: the guy threw it right in his grill and he

2360
02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:45,160
Speaker 3: took it in.

2361
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 2: It's really cool.

2362
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go back, if you have the NFL

2363
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,440
Speaker 3: game Pass, go back and listen to Andrew Catalan, our

2364
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 3: guy here who does the preseason games with us, and

2365
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 3: he good friend of mine. He made a great call

2366
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 3: on this interception pick six, and it was it. It's

2367
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 3: one of those cool things where it was so unexpected

2368
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 3: at that moment because you know what's he rolls out,

2369
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 3: he's rolling to the left and he lets he's The

2370
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:11,960
Speaker 3: last thing you think about is the guy right in

2371
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 3: front of him picking that off.

2372
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, because he dropped on the play. AJ dropped

2373
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 2: on the play and they triggered a linebacker, which was Milano.

2374
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 2: So he's out in the flat there and no man's

2375
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 2: land and all of a sudden, Howel's coming at I

2376
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 2: mean he tries to throw it over.

2377
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, and he's just inst today.

2378
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 3: It was great. It was great. That was That's a

2379
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 3: good good call. Brandy Maddie, what's your play of the season.

2380
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 10: Okay, you said defense, So all those special teams. I

2381
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 10: cannot get that Deontay Hardy punt return touchdown out of

2382
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 10: my head. It's hard to pick one, of course, because

2383
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 10: there were so many great plays throughout the season, but

2384
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 10: Deontay Hardy's ninety six yard punt return touchdown against Miami.

2385
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 10: They just needed something to happen in that moment because

2386
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 10: that game was a must win for the Bills if

2387
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:00,440
Speaker 10: they wanted the AFC East title, if they wanted to

2388
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 10: get into the playoffs, and the Bills were down by

2389
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,600
Speaker 10: a touchdown entering the fourth quarter, they needed a spark.

2390
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:10,120
Speaker 10: Deontay Hardy was that spark. He tied the game up

2391
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:12,120
Speaker 10: with that punter turn touchdown and then the Bills go

2392
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 10: on to score another touchdown later in the fourth quarter

2393
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 10: to take the lead and win the game. But Deontay

2394
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:21,360
Speaker 10: Hardy's punter turn touchdown I think is my favorite play

2395
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:22,280
Speaker 10: of the season.

2396
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 2: Everybody in the locker room after that thing said that

2397
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,280
Speaker 2: was the turning point of the game. It was a

2398
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 2: spark that we needed in the most important game of

2399
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:32,000
Speaker 2: the season. I mean, that's for the division there, and

2400
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:35,440
Speaker 2: that tied the game. That and the extra point tied

2401
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 2: the game. They're down fourteen to seven there and tied

2402
02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 2: the game. And we all know what happened after that.

2403
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 3: And that was as it was a great return as well,

2404
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:46,200
Speaker 3: and he was well blocked up. And I think though too,

2405
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 3: I like those plays that have a moment, like nothing

2406
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 3: against but aj Epeneza. They were up twenty three to

2407
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 3: nothing at the time when he made their twenty three

2408
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 3: to seven at the time he made that pick six.

2409
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 3: This you needed it, And I think that's always something

2410
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,160
Speaker 3: that kind of gets lost and all these cool plays

2411
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:03,280
Speaker 3: that happen. If it's a moment when you really got

2412
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 3: to have it and a guy makes a play like that,

2413
02:04:06,360 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 3: it's really Yeah, it's really special, Okay, Mike. My favorite

2414
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 3: one is and people will know one is There's no

2415
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 3: question about it, the MVP of the league in my opinion.

2416
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,440
Speaker 3: You're in a playoff game, you're in a tussle. You

2417
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 3: gotta have a play, and Josh Allen drops back to pass.

2418
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 3: Uh the Steelers are in man coverage, and he decides

2419
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:27,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna run and try and get the first down,

2420
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:31,320
Speaker 3: he runs up, gets the first down, thinks like he's

2421
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 3: gonna gonna slider go down. It looks like he wiggles,

2422
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 3: and then he absolutely trucks a linebacker and goes in

2423
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,000
Speaker 3: or a safety and he runs the rest of the

2424
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 3: way in for a fifty two yard touchdown. A quarterback

2425
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 3: running fifty two yards for the touchdown and trucking a

2426
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 3: guy to do it. There's only one guy in the

2427
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 3: league that does that, and it's Josh and that that's

2428
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 3: in a playoff game when you're you know, when are

2429
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 3: you know, when it's a gotta win game to make

2430
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:07,040
Speaker 3: a play like that, and you know, really this is

2431
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:08,440
Speaker 3: when you know you can't see it in the in

2432
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 3: the highlight we're watching here, but he's got his cape

2433
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:13,000
Speaker 3: fly flying behind him, yea. And he just came out

2434
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 3: of the phone booth. And that's most young people don't

2435
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 3: know what a phone booth is, but that's that's the

2436
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 3: guy here. And so I think that was the play

2437
02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 3: after the six week run that they were a five

2438
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 3: week run that they had to make to get into

2439
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 3: the playoffs. To get into a playoff game in Orchard

2440
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:35,400
Speaker 3: Park and have your quarterback pull off a fifty two

2441
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 3: yard run after trucking a guy to break free.

2442
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 11: What better than this?

2443
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 3: That was? That was quite a moment.

2444
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:43,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that is the season wrap up edition

2445
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,280
Speaker 2: of the Maddie Awards. Maddie, thanks for your submissions all

2446
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 2: season long. We enjoyed them and that was a good

2447
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:53,840
Speaker 2: pick me up here at the end of the season. Yeah, right,

2448
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 2: let the season begin.

2449
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:58,320
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2450
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be catching up with you as we know

2451
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 2: in the off season for mock Draft Watch. We look

2452
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 2: forward to those on Buffalo bills dot Com and right

2453
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 2: here in studio as well. We'll take a break. Steve

2454
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 2: and I back with more in a second here on

2455
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Stay tuned. All right, welcome back to

2456
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and

2457
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 2: got some thoughts on the tweetsheet here about how a

2458
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,680
Speaker 2: youth movement for the Bill's roster this offseason would make

2459
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 2: you feel, and got some that we did not yet

2460
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 2: get to. James says, it's desperately needed. I love the

2461
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:47,120
Speaker 2: memories from some of our long standing vets, but time

2462
02:06:47,160 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 2: has come for some of them to move on, and

2463
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 2: I think more and more members of this fan base

2464
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: are realizing that that time has come to pass and

2465
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult to move on from some

2466
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 2: players who really became household names for fans of this team.

2467
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:09,560
Speaker 2: But as they always say, Steve, nothing lasts forever.

2468
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, who knows more than I? I mean, I

2469
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 3: lived it. You know, you just move on. The guys

2470
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:23,800
Speaker 3: they are better players waiting. And you know they they

2471
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 3: didn't retire my jersey when I quit. They just washed it,

2472
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, So it's gonna move on. You know. It's

2473
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:32,760
Speaker 3: just the way it is. And that doesn't mean you know,

2474
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 3: and then appreciated it wasn't great. I mean, I wouldn't

2475
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 3: trade any of the stuff I'd including my retirement, for anything.

2476
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:41,920
Speaker 3: It was fun. Why I tell people now they say, hey,

2477
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:43,680
Speaker 3: would love watching you guys in the nine ascad lesson.

2478
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:48,920
Speaker 3: It was fun while it lasted. It's at a point

2479
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:52,960
Speaker 3: in history where you know, you got to evolve to

2480
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 3: stay relevant, and this team is going to do that

2481
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:58,120
Speaker 3: and we did it a little bit. And I'll say this,

2482
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it until today when was just

2483
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,120
Speaker 3: in here. You know, Cyrus, Torrance, Dalton, Kinkaid, Khalil Shakir,

2484
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:08,560
Speaker 3: James Cook, This team has refurbished on the fly and

2485
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:09,560
Speaker 3: they've kept it going.

2486
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:11,160
Speaker 2: Uh, and got to keep it going again.

2487
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta do it. Just keep on keeping on.

2488
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:15,800
Speaker 3: And I know people get really taken and we had

2489
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:19,320
Speaker 3: the caller who I lost my mind today. I apologize,

2490
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:23,400
Speaker 3: but they don't want to hear. Just keep on keeping

2491
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 3: on because it's you know, it hasn't worked. And people say, well,

2492
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 3: you keep doing the same thing, expect different results. That's

2493
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:31,839
Speaker 3: the definition of reward. That's the definition of insanity. Nothing

2494
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,720
Speaker 3: is the same. Even if if your philosophies are sound.

2495
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,040
Speaker 3: You can keep the philosophies sound and keep following them

2496
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,880
Speaker 3: knowing that things change within those philosophies. You're gonna get

2497
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:45,040
Speaker 3: new in different players. Just like we're watching here. This

2498
02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:47,000
Speaker 3: coming year is not going to be the same as

2499
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 3: this last year, just like this year wasn't even though

2500
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:52,960
Speaker 3: they reached the same level of the playoffs. I mean,

2501
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:57,560
Speaker 3: it's different every year. You've got to give yourself a

2502
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:00,000
Speaker 3: chance to take that swing. You got to give your

2503
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:04,280
Speaker 3: self a chance to do it. And by changing, making

2504
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 3: wholesale changes at fundamental levels, you're taking a step backwards

2505
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,240
Speaker 3: or you're you're throwing away all the good work that

2506
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 3: you've done to build a program to this point where

2507
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 3: you're there every year and you've got to be dealt with.

2508
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,200
Speaker 3: You think that with the Chiefs, rather play Baltimore or US?

2509
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 3: I think probably US. I mean I'm saying probably Baltimore

2510
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:33,040
Speaker 3: because we take them to the limit every single time

2511
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 3: these two teams play. The Chiefs are like tooth and

2512
02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 3: nail fighting to get there. They got Travis Kelcey throwing

2513
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 3: it sideways on a play that didn't count. I mean,

2514
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:44,360
Speaker 3: that's what they're having. They got thirteen seconds to go

2515
02:09:44,440 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 3: the distance. That's where these games go. Baltimore they win

2516
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:53,280
Speaker 3: by double digits. You know, nobody wants any part of

2517
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,600
Speaker 3: this team, and you got to go into every game

2518
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 3: think and that's where you're at, and that's where you

2519
02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:00,440
Speaker 3: got it. And that's and with drafts like they've been drafting,

2520
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 3: and that's where they're gonna stay. That's where they're gonna stay.

2521
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:07,480
Speaker 3: No nobody just and I said, we all do it.

2522
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 3: I say it every year when when this when the

2523
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:13,840
Speaker 3: schedule comes out and they do it in the Morning

2524
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 3: show with Howard and Jeremy. When and Joe Howard picks

2525
02:10:17,240 --> 02:10:18,680
Speaker 3: the Bills, you go down Okay, this is a win.

2526
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 3: That's a loss. Yeah, that's a win. That's nobody is

2527
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:26,760
Speaker 3: putting a w next to Buffalo. Nobody.

2528
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:30,760
Speaker 2: Well, some misguided Dolphins fans.

2529
02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 3: Are, man, do we do we hope they pay two

2530
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:35,520
Speaker 3: or what?

2531
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 2: That would be great?

2532
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 3: They got they got to give two of the bank. Man,

2533
02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 3: he is their answer, go do it?

2534
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 2: Uh. Wanted to get to this comment on the tweets

2535
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 2: sheet from Brian. He said, I'm in favor of involving

2536
02:10:46,080 --> 02:10:50,080
Speaker 2: rookies and more contribution from those on rookie deals, exampled

2537
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:53,360
Speaker 2: by Bernard and Kincaid among others. So my question to

2538
02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 2: you is this, Steve, do you think the success of

2539
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:02,560
Speaker 2: young first year starters like Bernard and Kincaid will further

2540
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:08,480
Speaker 2: convince head coach Sean McDermott to trust youth in important roles.

2541
02:11:08,920 --> 02:11:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna you can't generalize. I don't think

2542
02:11:11,240 --> 02:11:14,600
Speaker 3: he does. I don't think Sean mcdera I think every

2543
02:11:14,680 --> 02:11:18,080
Speaker 3: player is different, every situation different, every position group is different.

2544
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:22,520
Speaker 3: You expect, you expect something from each position. Each guy

2545
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:25,720
Speaker 3: say listen, you got to prove this to me as

2546
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 3: a head coach. And the guy goes out and he

2547
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 3: does it, and then Gabe Davis on opening day, and

2548
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 3: I'll keep going back to it. I think it's twenty

2549
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,160
Speaker 3: twenty for Gabe Davis was his first year, So Gabe

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Speaker 3: Davis twenty twenty, and I was doing the radio analyst

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Speaker 3: job because nobody could travel. We're doing the COVID thing.

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Speaker 3: And Gabe Davis catches the first pass of the season

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Speaker 3: from anybody of anybody. It's not Diggs, it's Gabe Davis

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Speaker 3: as a rookie in his first game catches the first

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Speaker 3: pass from Josh Allen in that season, that season when

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Speaker 3: they when the whole team busted out, So it's I

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Speaker 3: don't think Sean McDermott will not to play young players,

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Speaker 3: but I do think those young players do have to

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Speaker 3: prove some things that veteran players already have proven.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us. Here, Steve and I close it

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Speaker 2: up with some final thoughts on the tweet sheet Here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Colta Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All Right, some final thoughts on the tweet

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Speaker 2: sheet in terms of how a youth movement for the

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Speaker 2: Bill's roster this offseason would make you feel if it happened.

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Speaker 2: Steve says Smart still have Alan Diggs, Cook Shakiir both

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Speaker 2: tight ends and the entire old line, Oliver Rousseau, Bernard Douglas,

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Speaker 2: Benford Miller hopefully better, maybe Poyer core is playoff caliber

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Speaker 2: play rookies signed cheaper veteran free agents still can win

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Speaker 2: the AFC East and the AFC cap will be good

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Speaker 2: in twenty five. Go for it. It's a comprehensive look

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Speaker 2: at it. Listen, they go forward every year.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole beauty of this whole culture been, you know,

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Speaker 3: with Josh in place and being they're going forward every year.

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Speaker 3: They got the horses to get there every year, and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna go. And they got to put something together

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Speaker 3: to support the star players on this squad. They got

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Speaker 3: a really good offensive side of the ball, seems stable

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Speaker 3: and ready to go for the next year or so.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what we can do with the other side

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Speaker 3: of the football and take a swing at it. They're

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Speaker 3: gonna be there. I mean that it's the the division's

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Speaker 3: not off the table again. They're gonna be loaded again.

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Speaker 3: And Josh and this offense coming back is gonna give

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Speaker 3: them a chance in every game. It's gonna give them

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Speaker 3: a chance in every game. Yep, even now from this

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Speaker 3: end of it. No matter how much better they get

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Speaker 3: with the draft and free.

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Speaker 2: Agency, Danny says confident in the future, as long as

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Speaker 2: we have Josh Allen and Bean hits in the draft

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Speaker 2: like he usually does with young dogs, we will be fine.

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Speaker 2: That's all. We need draft picks to hit. Then we

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Speaker 2: get younger, cheaper and better four years to come. That

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Speaker 2: is the plan. The turnover might be a little bit

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Speaker 2: more extensive than we've seen in the past, but that

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Speaker 2: should mean more opportunity for that young talent that's being

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Speaker 2: added to the roster, hopefully in the dress.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a fun off season. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be fun to watch and to think about, and

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Speaker 3: it's going to be up for grabs. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed another three hour edition. We're back

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Speaker 2: to our regular schedule tomorrow. We'll see it one