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Speaker 2: sport at bulletball extreme Extreme. Now why are we recording so? Like, guys,

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Speaker 2: every once in a while, something happens in life and

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Speaker 2: it's like we gotta make a decision. It's like, should

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Speaker 2: we talk about this today when we have time, or

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Speaker 2: do we get to this in like a week when

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Speaker 2: Saturday is our feedback show. Wednesday we have a Hornets game.

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Speaker 2: So so basically, I looked around and I said, man,

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Speaker 2: I really want to talk about this thing.

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Speaker 1: And we talk about it in the car.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the game, but where else when else

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Speaker 2: I don't know how long the sh ob but it's

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Speaker 2: know where I'll throw commercials in, probably randomly in the

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Speaker 2: middle of sentences. Guys, you will be looking up and

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Speaker 2: be like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Why commercial talk?

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Speaker 2: But Uh, I wanted to talk about this target THEI

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Speaker 2: tabitha brown thing that has exploded on the black part

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Speaker 2: of the Internet. I don't know what the whites are

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Speaker 2: talking about on social media, probably not concerned with this.

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Speaker 1: In the least bit.

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Speaker 2: Uh, But the blacks are very concerned. Okay, they have

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions for Tabitha Brown right now, and

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Speaker 2: you know, and I understand it, but I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: we could also break it down in a way that

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Speaker 2: it without like much of an agenda of you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: and and try to come at it with some nuance

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Speaker 2: that you might not hear from other podcasts and people online.

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Speaker 2: And mostly I just didn't want to try to have

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Speaker 2: like this is a thing that needs framing, It needs contexts,

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Speaker 2: It needs more than just like gotchas, and more than

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Speaker 2: just the rhetorical like flattening of our dialogue which happens

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to get to that. You know, I've

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Speaker 2: I know what happened. Maybe there's more that I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But so Target of course did away with their DEI commitments, right.

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Speaker 1: We've been expecting this for years on this podcast. Many

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Speaker 1: They'll just go, Okay, well, it's just a few trans people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. People, well people, what about that?

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Speaker 2: People don't understand, right, So I think that's a big

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Speaker 2: So I really do not I really thought Target was

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Speaker 2: People would have said, well, listen, that was the sacrifice

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Speaker 2: Having to go scramble to get a department named after

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Speaker 2: brand versus business.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So that's that's why this is important.

438
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: And maybe this will give other people insight that I

439
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: didn't have coming into this, because I think right now

440
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: how it's mostly played out is I like Tabitha Brown

441
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: or I don't like Tabitha Brown?

442
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Right? You do on line telling this that simple? Yeah?

443
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: And I don't you know, I don't like doing that

444
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: right on our show.

445
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: If I like, if I, if I do that, I

446
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: like to be self aware enough to say that's what

447
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing, to be like, hey, I just don't like

448
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: this person. It doesn't matter that they're making a good point, agreed,

449
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 2: you know, But most people aren't that self aware, so

450
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: they work backwards from I don't like this bitch to

451
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: let me tell you why she the worst, you know,

452
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: and she's.

453
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: A coon or whatever, and I don't I didn't want

454
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: to go there.

455
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: But brands versus businesses is essential to how to evaluate

456
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: this for me anyway, So we'll get to that. They

457
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: partner with brands and businesses and they said, hey, you

458
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: sell products that are for black hair, and right now

459
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: you're selling them out of your shop or your kitchen

460
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: or your ll like whatever your small time means a

461
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: production are right, well, we're selling that. You're selling that

462
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: on your own and yes, you can reach a certain

463
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: amount of people, but it's not the same as if

464
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: your products were on the shelves of Target. Because if

465
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: your products were on the shelves of Target, you signed

466
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: a distribution deal with us. And I don't know the

467
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: inner workings of these deals. So forgive me, because I

468
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: don't want to. I'm assuming certain things that I don't.

469
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Speaker 3: Know, right, you know, because the thing is, I could

470
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: see Target going You're doing great, but if you get

471
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: on our shelves, you could be introduced to a whole

472
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: new set of people, people that didn't even know your

473
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: brand existed.

474
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Whatever it may be.

475
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: It's very valid, I mean, and just even if you

476
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: knew they existed. How many brands have how many people, well,

477
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: how many of us buy black people products on social

478
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: media Instagram, and it's constantly like sold out. You gotta

479
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: way because they don't have the inner structure to be

480
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: able to handle something that Target would allow you to

481
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: be able to handle. Possibly, yes, and so hopefully with

482
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: this investment from Target or this splitting partnership money whatever,

483
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: you end up upping your stock, you end up upping

484
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: your ability to create more to invest in your business.

485
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: And then suddenly it's like male hair products or mal

486
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: have respelled it. I mean, all of a sudden, it's

487
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: everywhere as opposed to like, oh this is this this

488
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: this mom and pop thing, or you got to go

489
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 2: to DC to pick up this thing from the spice

490
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: shop or whatever.

491
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: Right, or I can only see it on Instagram, TikTok

492
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: or Facebook, you know, and things that that a lot

493
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: of times they do have their own sites.

494
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are people that.

495
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: Even somebody just recently, I bought some stuff and now

496
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: first time I went, they was like so old out,

497
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: were not gonna have no mold to the end of

498
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: the month, You're like, shit, I guess I went to

499
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: the end of the month, and so I'm sorry, but yeah,

500
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: like you said that, that does make a big difference

501
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: because they are I'm only gonna make X amount when

502
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: it's sell out, does it right?

503
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: And there's a way where you find something where you're

504
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: like I'm in Target and I'm looking in the hair

505
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: products out and it's like, normally I gotta get one

506
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: or two choices. Oh wait a minute, they got Beviel

507
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 2: in here like I can get. So some people will

508
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: could discover it because it's in there. Yes, you know,

509
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: Belle was a great example. So I think that's why

510
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: you saw a lot of these deals get signed.

511
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Is the DEI. You know.

512
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: That now it's called d I, but at the time,

513
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: I really think it was just George Floyd.

514
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: Hey, we're listening.

515
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. We at Targeted, right, and they and and

516
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: because an I said it, whenn't fucking happened, I was like,

517
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: this is not what we asked for. But I won't

518
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: blame a single black person for getting that check.

519
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't either, But yes, this is not what BS for.

520
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: This was not the ass. The ass would stop killing us.

521
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 2: What you said was here are some jobs, here are

522
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: some business opportunities. We're opening up the profit margins for

523
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: black people. And I said, fine, you know, and I

524
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: don't blame you. I can't prove any of this. You

525
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: hope you get everything.

526
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: On your own merit.

527
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: But I mean, all of a sudden, you know, Spotify

528
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: is knocking on our door, you know what I mean.

529
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Bomini got a TV show on HBO. Could be DEI

530
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: could be just we it was just coincidence. We'll never

531
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: fucking know, because at that time, they were giving black

532
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: people a chance that they typically weren't giving things right.

533
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: So we and they stuck with this commitment longer than

534
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: I thought they would. If I'm being fair, if I'm

535
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: being honest with everybody, I thought this shit had a

536
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: much closer timeline of a couple of years. And I mean,

537
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 2: if we're being fair, like I said, it lasted from

538
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: basically like in the middle of Trump's administration to all

539
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: the way to the end of Biden's so probably somewhere

540
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: between like six to eight years or some shit, right anyway,

541
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: And I didn't begrudge anybody, but I just never trusted

542
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: it because it's not real.

543
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: I know what's real in America.

544
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: This shit ain't real and so get your money while

545
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: you can, but save the money and hopefully you can

546
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: do some money, invest it into your own.

547
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Thing, your own product. Right, So people sign these deals.

548
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Black brands suddenly are in Target, and it makes them

549
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: a little bit different than some of these other places.

550
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not knocking these other places for sure, but

551
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: I'd say Target feels like more of a betrayal because

552
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: they did commit in a way that other brands just

553
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: didn't agreed.

554
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: You know.

555
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: I still remember like Walmart putting a couple black brands,

556
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: like here's some black ice cream or some shit, but

557
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: it all seemed to be like kind of fleeting.

558
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: Right, and you never pushed it. You never promoted it,

559
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: didn't you know.

560
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: So I can't say they didn't push a promoter because

561
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: we heard about it and we did black capitalism segments,

562
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: because we read articles and we saw ads and stuff

563
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: for it. But it's just it just didn't feel like

564
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: this is here to stay, is what I'm saying.

565
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know. It wasn't like a full

566
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: fledged commitment.

567
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this sweet potato pot ice cream, which sounds delicious

568
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: and I'm definitely gonna go get me some.

569
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like, and it will be here for

570
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the rest of our lives. You're gonna go to Walmart

571
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: and get sweet potato ice cream. It felt like at.

572
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: A certain period of time you're gonna go in there,

573
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: that bitch gonna be gone and you're gonna be finding

574
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: no more.

575
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could still be in there. I don't know.

576
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: I just know that the feelings and the vibes from

577
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: Target versus these other companies felt more like, no, this

578
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: is a partnership. Us and bellbo are partnered before d

579
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: I pushed and before the George Floyd and we so

580
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: we're just upping what we already do. And a lot

581
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: of black people really fuck with Target, you know because

582
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: of that, I think partially and also because it's like

583
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: a Boujie or Walmart to make you feel like you're

584
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: doing something to be a Target as opposed to Walmart

585
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: or whatever. So incomes uh these brands, and incomes h

586
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Tabitha Brown. So they partner with Tabitha Brown and and

587
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: they tap partner with her much in the way that

588
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: they partner with like uh like some of these famous

589
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: uh white women actresses and musicians and ship. So so

590
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: what I mean is and This is why I said

591
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: brand versus business.

592
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: This is why is important.

593
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Partnering with a cosmetic brand that has a product, possibly

594
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: a storefront, possibly houses their own supply of things, and

595
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: partnering with them is different than partnering with and let's

596
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: not say Tabitha Brown, but let's say, yeah, Victoria Beckham.

597
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: Someone said in the chat, let's say Victoria Beckham. When

598
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: you partner with Victoria Beckham and she what you? I

599
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: think what happens is they come.

600
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: To you with a.

601
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: With a with a bunch of options and they're like, hey,

602
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: this fabric, this design, do you want to do dresses?

603
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Do you want to do athletic? Where? Do you want

604
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: to sell kitchen stuff? Right?

605
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: And then you pick and you I'm sure you have input, right,

606
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Like I want flowers on my dresses, I want.

607
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: This, I want that. Yeah, it's not like they totally

608
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: run it.

609
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: You do have some sation.

610
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm not trying to take away anyone's agency,

611
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying to me, that's different than I

612
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: have Bevel.

613
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: And if this.

614
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Partnership doesn't work out, or even if it is working out,

615
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: if someone says I just want to go to bebel

616
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: dot com and buy some supplies they can get them,

617
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: whereas with Tabitha, I don't think it was a situation

618
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: where Tabitha's making dresses. So you can go to Tabitha

619
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: dot com and be like, she got a dress in

620
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: a warehouse somewhere she's gonna mail me, as opposed to

621
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: like a hair product or something. Right, That's this is

622
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: what I'm and like I said, if I'm wrong, I apologize,

623
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: But this is just the way it's been explained.

624
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: To me because there is a difference in my mind.

625
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: So that's more of a brand partnership to me than

626
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: a partnership of an actual like business partnership.

627
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: Right, because the for the business, like you say, it's

628
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: a if we with Target, we cool. If we ain't,

629
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: you can still get our shit outside of this relationship.

630
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: You can be like, if you opted not to deal

631
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: with Target, you can still go to Bebel dot com

632
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 3: and approachase Bebo and still get Beviell sent to you

633
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: right directly.

634
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: And the other thing about this is inventory, Meaning if

635
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Target says we're getting out of the Bevel game, I

636
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: can go get Bevel outside of Target, Whereas if Target

637
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: says they're getting out of Tabitha Brown game. First of all, Doc,

638
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: it's hard to find her shit in your store. Yes,

639
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: it is, meaning meaning you guys didn't supply this as

640
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: a staple. You supplied this as a novelty. That is

641
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: like Tabitha Brown and her face in her partnership is

642
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 2: what we're really selling. Tabitha Brown is the smiling face

643
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: you're supposed to see that makes you go, oh yeah,

644
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Target the home of black people and that are not

645
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: in niceness and everything else Tabitha represents, once again, not

646
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: a knock on her.

647
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: I have nothing negative to say, but.

648
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: It is true, like if I was to go and

649
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: try to purchase certain things, you let her hole sex

650
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: to be fucking sold out.

651
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I'm sure some stuff is in there,

652
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: but like the Afro pit cutting board, Oh, you can't find.

653
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: It, not in the store.

654
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: And you would think, oh, that's because it sold out

655
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: because so many people wanted it or they just didn't

656
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: make enough.

657
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: And when it ran out, they was like it's out, yes, sir.

658
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: They didn't keep putting it out there till it's like

659
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: we're gonna have some on the shelves and when it

660
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: runs out, we're gonna up our supply and put some

661
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: more out there, or just it's gonna take forever to

662
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: get it and all this stuff.

663
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: So I think that's a big distinction.

664
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: Because what happens next is that Tabitha Brown comes out

665
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: and puts out a video basically.

666
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Saying that.

667
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: She wants people to be more considerate of the of

668
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: the boycott idea for Instagram, so give me a second.

669
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: I mean for social media, because on social media, of course,

670
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: this is turning into a flat out boycott target We're

671
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: not going to target.

672
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: And I have plenty to say on the boycott situation.

673
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, matter of fact, every time I say the

674
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: word boycott, go ahead put that in quotes, because this

675
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: is like the boycott of the NFL to where people

676
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: got upset at the framing of this or how I

677
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: kept talking about it. But I feel like I've been

678
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: proven right over the past few years and I'm not

679
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: backing down off of it. A boycott is organized, a

680
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: boycott has asked, A boycott has material demands. A boycott

681
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: also has a incentive towards the business if they comply.

682
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: This is not the same as being mad and saying

683
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to do something right. If you're

684
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: so mad, you'll never watch an NFL game again. It

685
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if Kaepernick gets a job or not. You're

686
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: out and you're never back in. If you're so mad

687
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: that you won't consuming artists music, there's not a thing

688
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: because And the reason I say this because online is

689
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: where we go to be mad. And and many times,

690
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: even when these brands or people do capitulate, you don't

691
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: come back.

692
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, fuck you.

693
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: Chick fil A has been stopped donating to these anti

694
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: gay causes overseas, and shit, they stopped years ago. And

695
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: that dude, Dan Cathy I think died, but he was

696
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: not the CEO like that, like they took the power

697
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: from him and said, listen, oh man, we're not doing

698
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: that shit. And listen, people still be mad at them.

699
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: And I ain't saying you need to not be mad.

700
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying that wasn't a boycott.

701
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: You're done. You were done.

702
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: You found something out you didn't like and you went,

703
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck, have you correct this or not.

704
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: We're done. You also didn't organize, so you didn't actually

705
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: physically go. We got this many people and we are

706
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: all signing a pack. We are all agreeing and we

707
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: are going to withhold a certain amount of money till

708
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: we get with a thing that we want and then

709
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: we will repatriate the business. No, that's what the that's

710
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: what the bus boycott was. You know, that's what That's

711
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: what organizing looks like. You know, matter of fact, shout

712
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: out to Al Sharpton. Costco said, they're doubling down, they're staying,

713
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: they're staying committed to d I. You know what Al

714
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: Sharpton did. He physically went organized groups of black people

715
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: and they had a buy in at Costco, meaning they

716
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: went and physically, not on some online we just talking

717
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: shit some accountability, physically with their hard earned dollars. They

718
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: organized meeting up there, driving up there whatever bus people

719
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: up there, and they physically made a they recorded it

720
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: and they made an actual, like uh commitment to buy

721
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: their groceries from there. Yes, that's the actually that's organizing power.

722
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: And I know y'all don't really fuck with Al Sharpton

723
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: like that. I do, but I know a lot of

724
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: people that roll their eyes at Al Sharpton like he

725
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: ain't like he nobody's just a raise Bacon comment and

726
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: all this shit.

727
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: But at the end, of the day. That's more powerful

728
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: than you tweeting. That's it. I'm done with this, right,

729
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: he fits, like, then, go.

730
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Do it if it's so fucking easy, get your ass

731
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: out of the chair and go do it if it's

732
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: that easy. But no, it's easier to tweet about it

733
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: and judge everybody and fold our arms and call ourselves

734
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: activists and say we're boycotting when we're not doing that work.

735
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: Activism is work, and if you don't do the work,

736
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm not giving you the credit.

737
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you the glory.

738
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: I am not so shout out to owl because he

739
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: did it, all right. That being said, of course, Tabitha

740
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: comes and turns on the camera, goes on Instagram and

741
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: wants to address this.

742
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: So here's what she said.

743
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: Y'all are right.

744
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: I know it has been.

745
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm playing is because I didn't want

746
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: to take her too much out context.

747
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: I want people to see and hear for themselves, right

748
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: what she had to say. Yes, maybe I can play

749
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Maybe I can. I don't know how long.

750
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 4: It is a tough week, right, and baby, we still

751
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: it's been a tough twenty twenty five and we are

752
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: still in January. But I know many of you are

753
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: asking and have asked and send me messages about the

754
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 4: recent DEI announcements at Target as well. And as disheartening

755
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: as it is for me, I'm not the only one

756
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 4: effected about this, right, It's for everyone who is a

757
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: woman owned business, minority owned businesses, black owned businesses. It's

758
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: for so many of us who worked so very hard

759
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: two be placed into retail, to finally be seen, to

760
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: finally be seen and approve for retail. Because contrary to

761
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 4: whatever the world might tell you, it has been very

762
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 4: hard for black owned businesses to hit shelves, right, which

763
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: is why such a big deal when we do, when

764
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: we do finally land inside of retail. So it is

765
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: definitely heartbreaking to feel unsupported. Right However, I am in

766
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: business in multiple ways with Target, with Walmart.

767
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: And Amazon.

768
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Right I sell Donald's recipe, my hair care products or

769
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: on Amazon. They're also in Target, and of course I

770
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: have a huge partnership with Target. I sell my seasonings

771
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: at Walmart. I do business all over just like many

772
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: other people. And what I can tell you is, if

773
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: we all decide to boycott and be like, no, we're

774
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: not spending no money in these organizations.

775
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Listen, I get it.

776
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: And if that's how you feel, honey, I one thousand

777
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: percent get it. But so many of us will be affected,

778
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: and our sells will drop, our business will be hurt.

779
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: And if any of you know business, it doesn't just

780
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 4: happen overnight where you can just go take all your

781
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 4: stuff and pull it off the shelves. There's a process,

782
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: and then you gotta like where you're gonna put it.

783
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 4: You gotta have a place to story that's money, right,

784
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: You got to have another place to sell it, which

785
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: is almost in sometimes and even if you sell online,

786
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 4: it's a process when it comes to business, and everyone

787
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: does not have the funds or the means, or the

788
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 4: availability the space to house their own products.

789
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons I said like some

790
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: of these companies. And keep in mind, like I'm not

791
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: saying it's easy, Like if you were in the haircare

792
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: business and you had your own inventory and your own

793
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: products and everything right and you but you were on

794
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Target shelves and suddenly you're not or everyone is saying

795
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: we're divesting from Target, I'm going to go to you online.

796
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: There is still a very good chance you're about to

797
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: be out of stock and overwhelmed in a way that

798
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: you cannot meet the man. Because that was the point

799
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: of Target is they were helping you meet the man

800
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: in a passive way, right where you just shipped out

801
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: a certain amount of products, or it was made somewhere

802
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: and then you it was always in a place where

803
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: people can just get it. Now that it's not possible,

804
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: it will stress a business. Most people just see money

805
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: in very simplistic terms and they just go, well, you

806
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: got the money, so clearly that fixed everything. It's like, no,

807
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: I won't be able to make the man. Even if

808
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: you think this is a good thing. I probably get

809
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: more money when y'all come directly to me than if

810
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: y'all go through Target anyway. So like, it's not a

811
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: bad thing per se. You're trying to do a good thing,

812
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, there are consequences to the good thing. There

813
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: are changes I have to go through as a business

814
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: and things I have to deal with. I think there's

815
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: everything she's saying is a valid point that is presented

816
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: with nuance that I think cannot exist online because two

817
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: competing narratives feel like they have one has to win.

818
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: It can't be that is a good point, but also

819
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: boycotting Target is a good point.

820
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: It has to be.

821
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: This selfish bitch just wants to She just wants her money.

822
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: She don't care about black people. And I'm like, no,

823
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: I can see what she's saying. And if your goal

824
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: was to help the black businesses, still like, because the

825
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: whole point of divesting from Target is you ain't helping

826
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: black businesses. I'm gonna take my business elsewhere because I

827
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: like to support black businesses. She's like, that may be

828
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: a process that is easier said than done for the

829
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: black businesses you want to help. There may be another

830
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: way to help them in the meantime until we can

831
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: get to a point where you can say and do

832
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: exactly what you mean, meaning you may I'm you may

833
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: need to buy things and Target for now until three

834
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: months from now. Businesses are prepared enough because it also

835
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: came as a shock for them. Businesses have adjusted enough

836
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: for you to come and get these hair products and

837
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: these seasonings or whatever directly from us or from other

838
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: retailers once we set up some sort of business with them.

839
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: But as of right now, everyone's kind of gonna be

840
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: shit out of luck.

841
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: Right And also because we talked about this before, and

842
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: I feel, particularly with a lot of the online recourse,

843
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 3: like you said, it's always sized everything and there's no nuance,

844
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: and there is in my personal opinion, sub particularly since

845
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: it's Tabitha Brown, a subsection to people who never liked her.

846
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 3: I never liked her, they never liked the kindness of sweetness.

847
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: So many people have said, I don't have a problem

848
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: with her, I enjoy her, but a lot of people

849
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: called her fake and all these other things like they

850
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: a lot of people have already had negative things about

851
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people have jealousy in their heart. They

852
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: should have been picked, it's their product, or whatever the

853
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: case may be. So when a lot of these things

854
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: hit online, this was just an excuse.

855
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: The same thing.

856
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: And I feel like the same thing with Liz on

857
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: some of these other people. You don't say shit because

858
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: you don't want to go against the crowd, against the trend.

859
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: But the second anything happens and.

860
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: You quote unquote feel like it allows you or to

861
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: give you the opportunity to come out and talk shit

862
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: about somebody who you feel quote unquote justified now to

863
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: mix and blend yourself in with other with other people

864
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: it's the fot yes, because it's not real, like.

865
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: Well, you never supported them, so you're not Actually you're

866
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: fake boycotting because you actually were never You can't hurt

867
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: Tabitha Brown other than to just not like her online,

868
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: because you can't take anything away from her. You weren't

869
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: buying her products, and you never liked her and thought

870
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: she was fake and you didn't like her. Her husband

871
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: used to be a cop, and you know, we've all

872
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: seen it. And I do think that is a very

873
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: real part of the sentiment. I don't think it's the

874
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: prevailing overall sentiment, but a lot of times those are

875
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: the loudest people online and they lead to charge.

876
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Yes, they do.

877
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people just disagree with the

878
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: sentiment of what she's saying here, and then once people disagree,

879
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: it's like all the guns come out. It's like, oh, okay,

880
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: well then now we can say whatever, like you a

881
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: man and you aunt Jemima.

882
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: You know, like all this.

883
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: Negative, racially charged stuff that I think is actually pretty

884
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: anti black in itself. It is because a lot of this,

885
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff about Tabitha Brown I think has

886
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: been misunderstood, meaning that because I'm not a religious really,

887
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: and I don't, like, I'm not a big fan of

888
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: the God, bless me, Jesus, this, this and that.

889
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: That's it.

890
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't knock anyone that's into it, but it's not

891
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: my belief system. Like, I don't think you're making it

892
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: because you got blessed and everybody else is struggling because

893
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: they didn't get blessed or whatever.

894
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's.

895
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really think it's a religious thing

896
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: to have prosperity or to make it or whatever.

897
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: And maybe you would be as grateful if you were broke.

898
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I just know.

899
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: It's like watching a football game and a quarterback wins

900
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: and in the press conference like, first of all, thank Jesus,

901
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever.

902
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: But to me, I'm not like Jesus got Patrick Mahome.

903
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: That touchdown had work in. Yeah.

904
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: So I'm not knocking Jesus. I'm not knocking people's religion,

905
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: but I don't need to accept that as reasoning. It's

906
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: not the reason I've ever supported anyone. And I know

907
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: she's heavily into like Jesus and God and stuff like that,

908
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: and that's a big part of her following.

909
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's because of that.

910
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: But now we're talking business, yes, so like at this

911
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: point it's not a spiritual thing.

912
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: It's a business thing.

913
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: This is just ex's of old money, black, red, green,

914
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: all that shit. Right, So I think for me, I've

915
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: never had a disdain for her being religious, but a

916
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: lot of people I know have and they don't like

917
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: that she's used all at God talking shit like that.

918
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: They're like, no, you just need to be regular basically,

919
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: whatever my belief system is, you need to hold that.

920
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: And I've always, because I think partially because I'm not

921
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: religious and from the South, I've always kind of allowed

922
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: people to whatever spiritual thing they fuck with as long

923
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: as it's not, in my opinion, something that is having

924
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: negative repercussions, I'm cool with it. So like, cause I

925
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: can't be using that. I wouldn't fuck with anybody down

926
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: South if it was. If I was so strincly like

927
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: you need to believe what I believe, how would I

928
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: ever get anything done. So so I'm just like, you know,

929
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: like the Reverend William Barber, to me, is a man

930
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: who is motivated by religion.

931
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: To do the right thing, and he be doing that work.

932
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna admonish him for being religious if

933
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it seems like he's doing the right shit.

934
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if it's Kreflo Dollar, it's

935
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: not at that point, it's not the religion, it's just

936
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: the man.

937
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: How you move make me think.

938
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: About how I don't fuck with you the man. I'm

939
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: not turned off by you saying God. I'm turned off

940
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: by you saying God is the reason you need to

941
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: be rich.

942
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: That's the difference, right.

943
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: I've never felt Tabitha Brown was using God as a

944
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: prosperity situation. But I also don't follow her that closely.

945
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: So maybe she has and I just haven't seen it.

946
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: But for me, she just always seems to be kind

947
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: of humbly religious and mostly importantly and this I said

948
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: from day one. She has elite nice TM and that's

949
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: not a knock on her. I think Timrin Hall has that. Yes,

950
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore has that.

951
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: It's a muscle, it's yes, it's at it. Yeah, it's

952
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: the reason.

953
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: Now.

954
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: I told people Meghan Kelly would never make it on

955
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: morning TV. She don't got it. You have to smile,

956
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: have you gotta turn it on.

957
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: You think Al Roker is that nice if you meet

958
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: this Niggain Kroger. No, but he but he can you

959
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: say three two one bashin. He got it? You know

960
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like when I worked on Game Theory,

961
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: you know that shit is own demand. I'm not saying

962
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: bo is nice, because I don't think he's like nice

963
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: to him, But I mean the skills that it takes

964
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: to be a talk show host. That's a he worked

965
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: on it with an acting coach like that. That's a

966
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: fucking thing with her, Like you need to be able

967
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: to perform this. She's great at performing. She rose the

968
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: power from TikTok or prominence, That's how I said power.

969
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: She rose to prominence from TikTok because during that pandemic,

970
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: when everybody was down and feeling bad and depressed, she

971
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: would turn that phone towards her talk directly into it,

972
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: like she's doing right here right. But now everybody's mocking

973
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: being mad at her for But she used to make

974
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: people feel good, yes, and not just white people, because

975
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: what's happening is now everything's will come and racialized and

976
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: they come to her into a caricature. But I the

977
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: first people I heard talking good about her were black.

978
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: People, Yes, that's not I heard about her because before

979
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: then I had never heard about her.

980
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: And what happened is that her skill of doing that,

981
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: which is a nebulous skill but still her nice TM

982
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: skill was so elite it transcended into this other space

983
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: that was outside of blackness. It was just everybody wants

984
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: to love this. And I'll get more into the TikTok

985
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: of it in a second, but the general consensus being

986
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: I see why she thought she could soothe everybody in

987
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: the midst of all this angst and honestly talk to

988
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: black people as an inter community, intra community conversation, not

989
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: a gosh, you need to do this for the white people,

990
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: but in a hey, there's black creators out here that

991
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: y'all want to support. I'm just telling y'all it's gonna

992
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: be a little more difficult than just boycott Target. We

993
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: solve the problem, right, I'm saying, we still do want

994
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: your support, and it may take us. It may be

995
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 2: more complicated than it looks like. If you're in I'm

996
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: singing through the through the words, through the lines here,

997
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: but clearly she's what I'm picking up is if you're

998
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: wondering why I can't just pull my shit off the

999
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: shelf and sell to y'all directly. It's because I don't

1000
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: have the inventory or the infrastructure, and I still am

1001
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: under contract, so don't so I there's a way to

1002
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: take this to where she's saying, I'm with y'all, but

1003
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: if you don't see me moving in a way immediately,

1004
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: like we out understand that me being with y'all is

1005
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: not It's not just a thing I can just.

1006
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: Do, agreed, And it's one of these things where and

1007
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: we talked about this, now what shared this. Honestly, this

1008
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: right here in my is a big ass distraction from Trump.

1009
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: That's why it lasted so long. That's why people still

1010
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 3: talking about it like it's all types of shit that's

1011
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: been happening, y'all, all types of shit I'm not trying

1012
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: to fundy that's actually bigger than this right here people

1013
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: actually should be really talking about. But people are like

1014
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 3: dragging and they're going back and forth and they're fist

1015
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: fighting because they're hurt, they're sad, they're depressed, they don't

1016
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: know what to do, they don't know where to go,

1017
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: and they're anxious and they have all these big feelings

1018
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: and they don't know what to do with it, and

1019
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: this right here is a temporary distraction truth be told from.

1020
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: The real issues.

1021
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's interesting about this is that

1022
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: people it's online, so they need to be mad.

1023
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: They're always mad about some shit, right.

1024
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: But what I think is interesting here is I think

1025
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: there are reasonable ways to be upset about shit that

1026
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: people do in the name of race. Yes, what, But

1027
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: I I think they've caricatured her into this idea of

1028
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: almost like Stephen A.

1029
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Smith defending Snoop Dogg.

1030
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: Like like I'm supposed to play this video and be

1031
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: like Flaming Hot because she said, listening, black people want

1032
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: to get money, y'all need to stop hating I'm a

1033
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: black person. Like she didn't say that, She's said I understand,

1034
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: and I've taken her in good faith, which is another

1035
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: thing I'm allowed to have because I'm not really hyper

1036
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: online with her, Like I don't know her. I've never

1037
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: been invested enough to not like her or to dislike her.

1038
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: I've never been invested enough so to me, I'm capable

1039
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: of being like this seems like a bad situation.

1040
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: For her and for black people and everyone involved.

1041
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: She's trying to figure out a way to navigate this

1042
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: while still maintaining her level of integrity. And all the

1043
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: people online are trying to find a way to also

1044
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: navigate this while maintaining their integrity.

1045
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: That's why they're calling us a boycott, when.

1046
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: Really they're just mad. But she goes on, I'll play

1047
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But she goes on to kind

1048
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: of say what she thinks a solution would.

1049
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: Be, right, But the thing that concerns me the most,

1050
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 4: and I want you to hear me and hear me, Well,

1051
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: if we all decide to stop supporting said businesses and say,

1052
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: you know, I can't buy nothing from there, even the

1053
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: businesses who were affected by the DEI being right, What

1054
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 4: that does is you take all our selves and they

1055
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: join the down. And then those companies get to say, oh,

1056
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 4: your products are not performing, and they can remove them

1057
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 4: from the shelves and then put their preferred businesses on

1058
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 4: the shelves. And then what happens to all the businesses

1059
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: who've worked so hard to get where they are. Then

1060
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: what happens right now? I know that something that could

1061
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 4: solve it its ownership of these big corporations, Right, it's

1062
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: a long way to go there. There are amazing companies

1063
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: like the Village Market in Atlanta, right who support small businesses,

1064
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 4: and you can go in there and it's some amazing

1065
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: things that you can buy, but it's one store and

1066
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: it's very small. We're talking about mass market. You can't

1067
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: build that overnight. Do We all sometimes have these big

1068
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 4: dreams and aspirations to do that, absolutely right, But it

1069
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 4: is easier to say it than done. But it's not impossible.

1070
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: But until then, and in order to get there, we

1071
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 4: unfortunately have to play the game. And in playing that game,

1072
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: we got to be smarter than the ones who think

1073
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: they're in control. Okay, and I say that to say,

1074
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: don't allow a trying to be mindful with how I

1075
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: say this.

1076
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: That's the other thing.

1077
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: She probably fucking with her contract even doing this, Like honestly,

1078
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: if of all the things, like ray SONI said that

1079
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: she thought this was a misstep for Tabitha to to

1080
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: come up with the compromises she had, which is and

1081
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: I'll stop it in here, but she was gonna say

1082
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: frequent the businesses of Target and only buy black products

1083
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: and basically goes shop for your groceries other places which

1084
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: could work.

1085
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's valid, it's not.

1086
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: And I know some people will try to simplify with

1087
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: Target still gets the money, but no, it is different

1088
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: if you go if you normally go in Target and

1089
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: you go to get bevil, but you also spend one

1090
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: hundred dollars on groceries, and now you start going to

1091
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: Target and you spend seven dollars on bibbel and leave.

1092
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: Yes it will make an impact. Yes, it will send

1093
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: a message. That being said, I don't mean any offense

1094
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: to Tabitha, but it's the same way I put boycott

1095
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: in quotes.

1096
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: If you're not organizing it, it's not real. It's just

1097
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: your opinion.

1098
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Just like all these people talking about boycott, they just

1099
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: giving an opinion on social media. She's entitled to give

1100
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: her opinion. But this is not organized and this is

1101
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: an activism. Now maybe she's encouraging people to be activists

1102
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: like this, but you need and I think this is

1103
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: an admirable version of activism that would send a message

1104
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,479
Speaker 2: about the solidarity of black people that I don't think

1105
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 2: is possible, that I don't believe in anymore. I don't

1106
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: believe black people are in solidarity like that, But it

1107
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: would warm my heart. If someone could organize something this

1108
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: nuanced to send a message to corporate America like we

1109
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: fuck with each other, we're not fucking with you. So

1110
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm getting my eggs from Costco. I'm getting my hair

1111
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: products from here because y'all are the ones that have

1112
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: it on your shelves. You're the only place I can

1113
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: physically get it. But I'm not going to fuck with

1114
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: you in any other way. And we're also not providing

1115
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: mutual aid. There's no like consideration.

1116
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 4: You know.

1117
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: It's like the bus boycott, people with cars giving people rides.

1118
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: This ain't None of this shit that's happening online is organized.

1119
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: It's just opinions that people getting mad at each other

1120
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: for navigating the best of horrible circumstances that black people

1121
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: are going through, right right.

1122
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: So I don't think her.

1123
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: I think her idea has merit, and I think she

1124
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: allowed for the fact that people would reject the idea

1125
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: flat out and be like, I'm just not fucking with Target,

1126
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: And she says she understands, and I'm taking her face

1127
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: value on that, and of course selfishly she benefits from

1128
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: her version of it, obviously more than just I'm divesting

1129
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: from Target. And I'm not buying anything, she would get

1130
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: zero dollars. As with every other black person that has

1131
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: a brand partnership, if you shop at Target for just

1132
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: their stuff, they get some money and maybe it helps

1133
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: them to adjust to this new reality where one.

1134
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: Day no one's shopping at Target.

1135
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, my point being, I didn't

1136
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: see this and think what a selfish coon. I saw

1137
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: this one like I see what you're saying. I just

1138
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: don't think it's feasible. I don't think it's gonna happen.

1139
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: But you know what else, I don't think it's gonna happen.

1140
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: The fucking boycott. I think it will go for some

1141
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: people be mad for a little bit, but because it's

1142
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: not being organized, I think it's just gonna go individually.

1143
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: How long are people mad? And individually whenever people just

1144
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: decide to not It's just like when the Chick fil

1145
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: A boycott and then you look around the lines out

1146
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: the fucking door, and it's not because conservative Republicans are there.

1147
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: It's because people just stop giving.

1148
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: After a few days, yes they did, or not a

1149
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: few that, but a few years, yes it was, It wasn't.

1150
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: Years, but it was like a few weeks and I

1151
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: was like, the line back to normal.

1152
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also is one of those things. I feel

1153
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 3: like this the same way I feel like Chick fil A.

1154
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: We talked about this before for a lot of people

1155
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: as a full coot. For a lot of people, Chick

1156
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: fil A went in the area within their situation like

1157
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't around them or a lot of people, a

1158
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: lot of people do this to make themselves feel superior

1159
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 3: to everybody else, to make the decisions that they don't make.

1160
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 3: And instead of them going, this is my decision, I'm

1161
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 3: okay with my decision. It's okay for you to make

1162
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: your decision. You can't leave it at that. And a

1163
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: lot of times, not all these people, a lot of times,

1164
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: particularly online, they would actually go and start confrontations.

1165
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: Why you fight me, Yeah, it's because it's because the

1166
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: boycotts online and everything online is about us signaling to

1167
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: each other. You know, I don't get mad at people

1168
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: when they do this, but I just kind of brush

1169
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: it off at this point. It's like when someone lets

1170
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: me know every time the NFL comes up, I don't

1171
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: watch the NFL. Fine, but you know what I don't do.

1172
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't listen to R Kelly, you know when it

1173
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: comes up never because in general, it's just not really.

1174
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: A thing that I didn't do it for you. I

1175
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: did it for me.

1176
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: I didn't do it to send a message to him

1177
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: or a message to the world. I just stopped liking

1178
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: this motherfucker shit period. Like it's it's like, if it's something,

1179
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: if it's that easy for me to give up, it's

1180
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: really not that remarkable. I moved on, yes, And and

1181
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: I think honestly, when people bring it up, it's because

1182
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: they kind of haven't really moved on, and it's like

1183
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: it's it's they're still upset and it still has emotional

1184
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: resonance with them, so they have to bring it up

1185
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: every time they think of it, Like and that's why

1186
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: I gave it up, you know. It's like form It's

1187
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: like how alcoholics have to remind themselves. And I'm mad

1188
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: at alcohol because look what it fucking did to my life,

1189
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: And like this, it's different than just saying I don't

1190
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: want that drink.

1191
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: And and and for me, a prime example of this,

1192
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: and no matter how you feel about this pizza, me

1193
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 3: and Roger had to sit down and have a conversation.

1194
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: I went through this with Papa John because that was

1195
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: very we talked about on the show up.

1196
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: Set with Papa John's and Roger, you know, that's my

1197
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: favorite piece in the whole wild world.

1198
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't care how you feel about it. I fucking love it.

1199
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 3: And so they did everything that I want them to do,

1200
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: and Roderick would be like, do you want? But I

1201
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: know because I was still very mad and ain'tngry and

1202
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 3: upset and I wouldn't let the shit go like I

1203
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: went a very very long time, and Roger had to

1204
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: sit down and convinced me I probably, well, I just

1205
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: know the slices Papa John's again, but.

1206
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 2: I just one, I know how much you loved it.

1207
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: But two, I'm a logic person. I would like to

1208
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: talk to us. I like being around people who's logic

1209
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: I trust. And if I can't question or interrogate your logic,

1210
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't, then I don't feel like we're having a

1211
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: real conversation. Agreed, And it's not about trying to win

1212
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: or break you down. But I had to ask you, well,

1213
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: what do you want from them?

1214
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 4: Right?

1215
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: Because they did they fired Papa John, John Schnatter or

1216
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 2: whatever they invested in black entrepreneurs they invested in black communities,

1217
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: They went and brought in like black people within their management. Okay,

1218
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: what what is it that you want?

1219
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: Because what is your demand?

1220
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: A boycott has demands, and once demands are met, you're

1221
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: back on the fucking bus.

1222
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: Right, that's the rule.

1223
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: If not, it's just not a boycott. And if it's

1224
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: just I'm mad, I'm mad. I respect being mad, but

1225
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: just so, yeah, we just need to admit that that's

1226
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: what it is, you know, but yeah, it's it is

1227
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: very similar to that.

1228
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: Camp, right, And so for me, I had to come

1229
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: to that realization. So I and I do understand because

1230
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 3: every time it will be bought up or anything like that,

1231
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: I see a commercial, I get mad. So I do

1232
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: understand people's perspective. People are hurt, they're disappointed by whatever

1233
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 3: this thing is. And so to keep yourself consistent, you

1234
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: have to remind everybody else around you why you made

1235
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: the choice. But baby, ain't nobody questioning your choice. It

1236
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: was all your choice to begin with. And I don't

1237
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 3: have to prove nothing to.

1238
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: Mean and I hate to seem like an asshole, but

1239
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: that's your choice.

1240
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: You didn't organize with me.

1241
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: You just decided to do a thing and judge the

1242
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: rest of us for not doing what you did. That's

1243
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: not the same as being in community and being like

1244
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: we will do this until they do that, and then

1245
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: we will all come back and do blank.

1246
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: You didn't do that.

1247
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: You just said I'm not gonna do a thing, and

1248
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: I respect that, but to respect that as a personal choice.

1249
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: So it has no bearing on my personal choice, because

1250
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: if I go through your life, I'm gonna find something

1251
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: where I decided I'm out and you stayed in and

1252
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: and you ain't gonna want to hear that shit. And

1253
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't blame you for want to not want to

1254
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: hear that shit. That was my personal thing. I didn't

1255
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: insult with you first. I just decided I wasn't fucking

1256
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: with that, Okay. So that's part of the issue is

1257
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: that even her solution is not organized, so it's just

1258
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: really giving her opinions. It's boycotting quotes as well. We'll

1259
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: play another thing so we can get paid as if

1260
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 2: we have a brand partnership.

1261
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: Because we don't have a brand partnership with Target.

1262
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: We gotta get paid through these commercials. All right, I'll

1263
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: start trying to wrap it up, but this is the

1264
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: other point I got to that I was thinking about

1265
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: with her, she's a brand, both personally and professionally, so

1266
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: unlike say a cosmetic brand, and I'm sure she has,

1267
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: like like she named her cosmetics and her spices and stuff.

1268
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: But that brand partnership she got with Target, it's her face,

1269
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: her name right in a way that I'm sure makes

1270
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: this more personal to her that in a way that

1271
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: it wouldn't. It's like saying it's like how the black

1272
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: Guy who Tips is a podcast, it's not my name.

1273
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: Somebody says fuck the Blackout Tips. There's still a level

1274
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: of difference where I'm like, that's my podcast, Yes it's personal,

1275
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: Yes I pulled my life into it, but okay, you

1276
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: don't blame my podcast. Whereas if they said fuck Rod.

1277
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: Marri's like, hey, bitch, who the fuck you think you

1278
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: talking to? Which is why I'm glad we didn't name

1279
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: the show to Rod morros show or whatever, you know.

1280
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that.

1281
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: There's a conflation in her brain with you know, we

1282
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,879
Speaker 2: not fucking with your brand because you aligned with Target.

1283
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: That feels like you're taking uspe my personal integrity, as

1284
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: opposed to just saying this is just a decision I made,

1285
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: even with her saying she understands it. I just can't

1286
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: imagine how any person can completely disassociate themselves from their brand.

1287
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: With their brand is their name, so there's an emotional

1288
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: resonence there. The other thing is she's representation to a

1289
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: lot of people, and target align with her because she's

1290
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: representation to a lot of people, Yes, sir, and I

1291
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: think about this with Tabitha. I think I'm I am

1292
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: empathetic towards Tabitha Brown in general because she represents something

1293
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: that I feel like went away, which was like the

1294
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: southern black woman with this like maternal whatever like this,

1295
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: because people started associating it with like Aunt Jemma and

1296
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: fucking pancakes and slavery and shit right and mammy's and

1297
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Speaker 2: all this shit, and I am down here. There are

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Speaker 2: just sometimes there's just black women like that and there's

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: not a racial connotation to them. Karen has a very

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01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: thick Southern accent and a very honey baby, sweety ass

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: demeanor when she's out talking to people, but she ain't

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Speaker 2: Nobody's fucking mammy. And I slept the shit out of

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: you if you said something like that to her, right,

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01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,520
Speaker 2: So I kind of understand the level of like representation

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 2: and love within the com unity she can experience. I

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: feel like it's once whiteness comes into the equation because

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: they consume all things. This is consumerism at the end

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: of the day. Yes, sir, it changed that dynamic. Even

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: for black people, we willingly or unwillingly or unthinkingly kind

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: of seed power to whiteness. No, it's like when it's

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: like when black people go see a movie and white

1312
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: people are in the audience, and suddenly black people have

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01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 2: taken themselves out of just their personal enjoyment and into

1314
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: this I got to monitor these white people, like are these.

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Speaker 1: White people laughing at the right things? Are they saying

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01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: the right thing? Are they mad? Are they sad?

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Speaker 2: Or they We're no longer existing in just our personal

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01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: individual headspace of I like the movie, right, you know,

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01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: I think I forget who it was I talked about this,

1320
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: but I want to say it was James bad when

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: the movie what's it called The Fire?

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Speaker 3: Next time it was a movie Samuel Jackson The Voice.

1323
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: But I remember listening to podcasts where black people went

1324
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: to see it, and almost every single podcast I listened to,

1325
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: and I only listened to black podcasts talk about this.

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: I didn't give a fuck what white people thought, but

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 3: almost every single black podcast I listened.

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: To brought up how many white people they watched.

1329
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: It with and how uncomfortable it was to have white

1330
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: people see this, and all of a sudden, their thoughts

1331
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: were about the white people in the audience and not

1332
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: the documentary and what you thought of it, and was

1333
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: it good?

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: Was it bad? How did it work out for you?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, our experiences was completely different because when I

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: went in, Oh that's right, I am not your negro.

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 3: I think of it and I think for me. I

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: went in and I watched it, and I enjoyed it.

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01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it afterwards.

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is I'm not trying to relitigate the

1341
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: review of it. I'm saying that's a phenomenon black people

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 2: deal with. Yes, It's like once something gets the attention

1343
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 2: of people, especially white people, but people from with outside

1344
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: of our community, there's a different type of consciousness that

1345
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: comes in to where we're now. We're now hall monitors

1346
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: of whiteness as opposed to just I enjoyed the black

1347
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: thing because it's for me and it's black, and if

1348
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: white people got something out of it, I guess, but

1349
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 2: that shit ain't got nothing to do with me.

1350
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I've.

1351
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,839
Speaker 2: Completely decolonized my mind, but I'd say I'm a vast

1352
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: a lot more than most people. I am unconcerned with

1353
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: whiteness as far as how they consume Black art. I agreed,

1354
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: it ain't shit we can do about it in the

1355
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: first fucking place, and at the end of the day,

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01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: a lot of times for shit to blow up, white

1357
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: people are going to consume it. And then the third

1358
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,440
Speaker 2: thing is I believe that culturally, black people in America

1359
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: are the most powerful cultural force on the planet. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's even possible for us to have

1361
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: something that stays completely within our community. If it is

1362
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 2: meant to entertain, it will escape the confines of the

1363
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: community because our shit is just too good, and I

1364
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: think that's undeniable. I don't think there's any Black secrets

1365
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 2: left that won't get out.

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: Our slang, our dances, our our music.

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: It's just some some white people gonna hear what's dope

1368
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: and they gonna fuck with it too. So I just

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: can't occupy my mind with too much of them about

1370
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: our shit. It's just I just can't. I just I

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 2: think it's a waste of time. So but for her,

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Speaker 2: I think that's what changed because I remember the early

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 2: days of TikTok when she was kind of considered like

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: a black people's thing, and then obviously white people saw it.

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 2: And this is where we get into the TikTok of

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01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: it all, because you know, I'm gonna bring it back

1377
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: to TikTok. She is so emblematic of TikTok. Everything good,

1378
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:49,839
Speaker 2: everything bad, everything good, everything bad about TikTok meaning Sarah Cooper,

1379
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: Matt Rife. What the industries and these aren't the same industries.

1380
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: That's comedy, but you also have film, you television and music.

1381
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,480
Speaker 2: What these industries saw is they used to be industries

1382
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: that were in the business of creating and sourcing and

1383
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: curating art. Now a long time ago, to ship sail

1384
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: they were like, if it's getting clicks, fuck it, you

1385
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: know whatever. But it used to be a time where

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01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, Soldier Boy ring Tones was one thing,

1387
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: but he was still making music, somebody people still going

1388
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: in his concerts. But once we had social media, especially

1389
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 2: during the pandemic, where you couldn't physically go to a

1390
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: concert or leave your house.

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Speaker 1: The measurement became the views.

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and so I think in many cases these industries

1393
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 2: had not vetted or even understood why one person gets

1394
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: views and another doesn't, what makes one art form translatable

1395
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 2: to another medium versus what doesn't. It was also another

1396
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: factor that people don't talk about. It was also during

1397
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: the buying up of content wars.

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big thing all across the social media.

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: So everybody was trying to buy as much content as

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: they could. These companies were investing like Silicon Valley money,

1401
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: where it was like, get as much market share as

1402
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: you can and then we'll worry about paying this bill

1403
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: one day, a long time from now. But for now,

1404
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: we're buying up Stranger Things and twenty seven other fucking things.

1405
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: And will we end up not making season two of

1406
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: ninety percent of them?

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: Yep? Right, But at one point we had the market

1408
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: share of forty percent or whatever. Right. That's how everyone's operating.

1409
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: It's why Sarah Cooper gets a Netflix special and you

1410
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: look at the writers and you look at the cast,

1411
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: and it's like they spent money. They spent the money

1412
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: you spend for like thirty rocks on an hour long special.

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01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: And if you watch the special.

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: And I don't mean it's not her, understand it's not

1415
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: about her, okay, but if you watch the special, you

1416
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: get the feeling they didn't understand what made her so

1417
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: good on TikTok.

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01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 3: Right, They didn't understand the assignments, they didn't know how

1419
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: to translate it. They just threw money and it was like, well,

1420
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: you got the money. We ought to be able to

1421
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 3: do something. It's like, no, you need to replicate the

1422
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: thing that was on TikTok.

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: And an audience that's not on TikTok all day doesn't

1424
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 2: really understand the learning curve of why her lips sinking

1425
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: to Trump and doing these act outs is so fucking

1426
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: hilarious to people who are on TikTok all day. So

1427
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: for a lot of them, it's like you're introducing.

1428
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 1: Me to this new thing. It's so unfamiliar. I don't

1429
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: like it.

1430
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: Or you're gonna have to tie in Tina Fey and

1431
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of other motherfuckers to it before I can

1432
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 2: even attempt to understand what it is.

1433
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to put the time in to explain.

1434
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 3: And that's the part that they didn't want.

1435
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: To, and you're gonna lose people because people don't want

1436
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: to be explained to.

1437
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Matt Rife, Matt Rife comedy riffing, hilarious,

1438
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: heckler handler, motherfucker goes to do a standing up, specially,

1439
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: everybody's like, fuck, is this shit? Why isn't this just CrowdWork?

1440
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: That's what? That's what? Because there was like, that's what

1441
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: I saw on TikTok.

1442
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 2: And whether he understood it or Netflix didn't understand whatever happened,

1443
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: they didn't understand this, or they either or they got

1444
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: frayed and said this won't translate.

1445
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: We could let you do an hour and a half

1446
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: a crowd work like you.

1447
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: Doing your on your TikTok, but honestly, it just we

1448
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: need you to just come out and do a regular

1449
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: stand up because nobody knows what the fuck that is.

1450
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: Or like I said, he decided I'm gonna do it.

1451
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: And the reason I bring up him deciding is because

1452
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 2: that's the other part of TikTok. When I say she's

1453
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: emblematic of TikTok, how you gonna tell somebody who got

1454
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 2: it out the mud were bringing you into a new medium.

1455
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: Now you need to listen to these notes we we got,

1456
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: we giving you advice, were telling you how to dress,

1457
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: how to do your hair, your makeup, who can be

1458
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: on your show, what you should talk about.

1459
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: Control for some people like this because this was non traditional.

1460
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: The people that got on from TikTok, they were not

1461
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: coming in these traditional routes where you kind of have

1462
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: to be vetted. Right, So she becomes like black soothing,

1463
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: maternal vegan. And yet we're not saying world renow vegan chef,

1464
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: like like she didn't own a restaurant where she was

1465
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: selling vegan food, right.

1466
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: It was in her kitchen.

1467
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: Showing us how to turn corn on the cob into

1468
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 2: something else, right, and being like.

1469
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: These corn chicken wings, honey, these.

1470
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: Are good, and people just ate it up, the amsr

1471
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: of it and all that stuff, right, sir. So now

1472
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: you're telling me to take her and put her into

1473
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: a Food Network show. But the Food Network show isn't

1474
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: just her making a dish in her kitchen and eating

1475
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: it on camera and telling you it's good.

1476
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: We got to get a game show.

1477
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: We gotta have contestants, we gotta do this, that and

1478
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 2: the other, and eventually.

1479
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: You start getting notes.

1480
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: Now this I know from working in TV, and notes

1481
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: are humbling, they're humiliating, and they're not always right for

1482
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: the record, but they but they're a part. They're part

1483
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: and parcel of TV and and a lot of times

1484
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 2: are you're telling somebody who's self made, who I'm sure

1485
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: has some level of ego.

1486
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: Because how could you not. You're a person, just like

1487
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: I have an ego doing this podcast. We have an ego.

1488
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: We're people that give our opinion because we think people

1489
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: want to hear it and that we're saying something unique

1490
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: and different. Right, every time you turn on a camera

1491
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: on TikTok to give advice or to tell to soothe

1492
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: other people, like who are you to soothe me in

1493
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: a pandemic?

1494
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't know you, but you but you need an

1495
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: ego to feel like.

1496
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: I can tell that person it's gonna be okay, and

1497
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: they gonna need to hear that, right, and they gonna

1498
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: come back tomorrow because they need to hear the next

1499
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: thing I'm gonna say.

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: So I do have an ego.

1501
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: No matter how humble or altruistic or nice I am.

1502
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: You can't have millions of followers that you're giving advice

1503
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: to every day and not have an ego. I agreed,

1504
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 2: So now you gotta take notes, and we don't think

1505
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 2: your hair is not resonating with the artists.

1506
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: We did a focused group thing.

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm out, fuck this, fuck this contract. Fuck what like,

1508
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm not changing. Y'all tried to change me. I'm not changing.

1509
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 2: You want me to cut down on Jesus or whatever,

1510
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: I ain't doing it, And who knows what it is.

1511
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: It could be something as simple as that or something

1512
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 2: more sinister. But whatever happened, she stopped doing the Food

1513
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: Network show and they eventually and they leaked out like

1514
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: she was just unreasonable, And I'm like, well, if you're made,

1515
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: if yourself made, it's kind of hard to listen to

1516
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: somebody that wasn't there with you in the beginning, that

1517
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: doesn't even understand why you big.

1518
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: As you are right telling you, but just how we

1519
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: do it on TV.

1520
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that person's wrong, by the way, they

1521
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: could be absolutely right about TV. Is just how you

1522
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: do it on TV. That doesn't your shit from TikTok

1523
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: ain't gonna work. But it don't. It's just hard to

1524
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: get through the ego of that and hard to hear that,

1525
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: you know, So she is representation for a group of

1526
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: black women that doesn't really feel represented that often get

1527
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: talked down to. You know, the people that like when

1528
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: it's a Tyler Perry move, everybody's acting like they're fucking

1529
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: stupid because they like Tyler Perry, like they don't know

1530
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: that the wigs are bad or whatever.

1531
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 3: You know, know why I came right exactly.

1532
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,959
Speaker 2: So a lot of these people I think are defiantly

1533
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: defending her part and parcel because they're like, I'm just

1534
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 2: sick of y'all hating on her.

1535
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think, but she's doing this that bad.

1536
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's sinister, and y'all have always not

1537
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 2: liked her southern, big fro, churchy vibe.

1538
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,919
Speaker 1: Y'all ain't never fuck with her anyway, So fuck.

1539
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: Y'all, right, And like I said, because she's branded herself

1540
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: personally and professionally, there's not a lot of separation.

1541
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: Even for the fans.

1542
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 2: It's hard to say I don't fuck with Tabitha Brown

1543
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 2: LLC decision while convincing me that no, But I like

1544
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: Tabitha Brown the person. I just don't think what she's

1545
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: saying about targeting business is right, I think that's fucked up. No,

1546
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: you're saying you think she's fucked up. So I think

1547
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 2: that's a big thing. And then the last thing is

1548
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: I think in America we're very privileged to see consumerism

1549
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: as activism.

1550
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.

1551
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: I think a broad part of my rejection of almost

1552
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: all the boycott culture bullshit is that.

1553
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: In America we do so little but pat ourselves on

1554
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: the back for so much, right for being so great,

1555
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: and you blame n't do shit.

1556
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't want to give people credit for

1557
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: some shit that they didn't really organize and putting no

1558
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: sweat into so a lot of what we're doing is

1559
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: begging companies to do the thing to make us give

1560
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: them our money. We're not building anything with it, we're

1561
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 2: not really demanding much. It's show us you kind of

1562
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: want our money, and just god, please, I just can't

1563
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: wait to give you some money. I just want to

1564
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: give you my money. Whatever, oh, just targeting my money.

1565
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: Just don't fuck it up.

1566
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: You don't say shit, I won't say shit, and we

1567
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: can keep this transaction rolling.

1568
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: And I think it and I think it works backwards.

1569
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: So then it becomes what we consume must be good

1570
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: and what we don't consume must be bad, right, And

1571
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: that's how you end up defending somebody or some shit

1572
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: that you actually wouldn't defend it any other way. So

1573
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 2: you end up being like, I spend my money on R. Kelly,

1574
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 2: Therefore R Kelly did not sexually assault those girls.

1575
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how it works.

1576
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: You make a wild connection, and I'm like, no, baby,

1577
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 3: these things are not the same. There are a lot

1578
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 3: of people who are very entertaining to do horrible shit,

1579
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: and I can separate them, like everybody has whatever their

1580
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 3: line is.

1581
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: But my point being like, I just think that's why

1582
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: we end up in these situations where people feel the

1583
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: need to have to defend her and I know her

1584
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: stance is perfectly great, nothing's wrong with it, or go

1585
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 2: I got to attack her because I don't buy shit anyway,

1586
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: and I'm a good person. It's why, you know, especially

1587
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,480
Speaker 2: on TikTok, like you got the whole like we boycotting Starbucks.

1588
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 1: No one has any fucking numbers proved, like there's.

1589
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: No like, it's just but you feel like you did

1590
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: something because you didn't do anything, meaning you didn't spend money.

1591
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: It's the easiest way to do something.

1592
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also a lot of these people claim victory

1593
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 3: for shit that didn't happen. That me not doing shit

1594
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 3: is me claiming victory. You're like, that's not how topp well.

1595
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: Also, I mean I remember during the NFL ratings going

1596
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: down during the year about Cabernet, and I thought it

1597
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: was hilarious because black people took credit and white races

1598
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 2: took credit. They did both sides said they're the reason

1599
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: that ratings went down. Maybe they both were right. I

1600
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 2: don't know who was right, but there's no way they

1601
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: could I'll put it this way. Maybe they both contributed,

1602
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: but there's no way they could both be right. Agreed,

1603
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 2: Meaning all of them ratings didn't come down because black

1604
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: people decided to start watching, and all them rains didn't

1605
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: come down because racist people didn't like Black Lives Matter

1606
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: being on the field or people kneeling. It was probably

1607
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: some of both from two parties that will never give

1608
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: each other credit. Right, and whatever your personal belief is,

1609
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: is the reason you credited for what happened. So if

1610
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: you black, you like, it's because we stood strong. If

1611
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: you're white and you racist, you like it's because we

1612
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 2: stood strong. We don't like that kneeling right. So I

1613
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: think this is another one of those situations where who

1614
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 2: knows what target's bottom line is gonna end up looking like.

1615
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: But if there's any reduction, it's gonna it's gonna be that.

1616
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I don't like people using consumerism

1617
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:56,520
Speaker 2: as especially unorganized consumerism like this isn't by an actual boycott.

1618
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't like using.

1619
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: Companies bottom lines as this proved someone right or wrong.

1620
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is Chick fil A.

1621
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Because Chick fil A's profits went up after they were

1622
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: outed for being anti LGBTQ, and this is before they

1623
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: divested from that.

1624
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: Their profits went up.

1625
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Conservative people went in line and they bought that shit,

1626
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: and a lot of the liberal people that said they

1627
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't ended up sneaking in and eating it, like Russell

1628
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: Westbrook on the sideline. And the message if we let

1629
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,839
Speaker 2: consumerism be and capitalism be our voice, if we accept

1630
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: that premise, the message that Chick fil A should have

1631
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: gotten is there's nothing wrong with being anti LGBTQ. If

1632
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: anything more, people in America seem to want that that

1633
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: eat our food. They out here standing in lines, you know,

1634
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: they like they're moral fucked morals. Financially, they're saying our

1635
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: stance is the correct one. But while or whatever, you know,

1636
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: like if we let this be the be all end all,

1637
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 2: we accept this premise that the moral right and wrong

1638
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 2: isn't the right and wrong.

1639
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: It's the financial right and wrong, which are two different things. Right.

1640
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: And like I said, peping in this caveat of unorganized

1641
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: quote unquote boycott. Now, I'm not talking about the actual boycott,

1642
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: talking about the unorganized just we're just looking at the

1643
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 2: corporate balance statement at the end of three months and going, hey,

1644
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 2: so and so is right. I'm saying that's in America

1645
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: right now. I wouldn't even count that. If Target's bottom

1646
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,799
Speaker 2: line goes up somehow, if somehow they make a profit

1647
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: next month, I don't think that makes what they did

1648
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 2: right or Okay, it's bigger than money than me. And

1649
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: I know that people like Tabitha Brown and these other

1650
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 2: black creatives that have aligned with Target, they didn't ask

1651
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: to be pulled into this. I guarantee Target didn't consul

1652
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: any of them about this shit. It just fucking found

1653
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: out like we found out, and then they're spending in

1654
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: a panic, like what the fuck are we supposed to

1655
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: do or whatever. But it's an unfortunate situation where people

1656
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: are really upset at anyone who's choosing something even slightly

1657
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: different than them. Because she still proposed something that I

1658
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: thought was, uh, could be effective. I don't think she's

1659
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: doing the work to make it effective, but she and

1660
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: maybe she will do the work. Maybe I'll look up

1661
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 2: in a month and be like, Oh, she organized that

1662
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: shit and the powerful statement you wanted to contract telling

1663
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: people not to fuck with Target, but the fuck with

1664
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: black people in Target, and uh, and they're doing it.

1665
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 2: And and that's an amazing statement that you're saying, because

1666
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 2: you're you're showing some actual organizing power.

1667
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: Right.

1668
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: But I gotta go all the way back to where

1669
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: we started.

1670
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 2: Well, my girl, Ray ray SONI said, this is a misstep,

1671
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: and this is the TikTok of it all. It's very

1672
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: TikTok culture to pick up that phone, turn that camera

1673
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 2: on and try to soothe everybody. That's how she got

1674
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: her start, Yes, sir, but honestly, I think she should

1675
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: have did what Victoria Beckham probably did. If Victoria Beckham

1676
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: is still dealing with Target right now, I don't know

1677
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 2: or whoever that somebody.

1678
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: Is dealing with them.

1679
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Y'all know what I mean. Yes, y'all know what I mean.

1680
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't know who, but somebody in Target. Right the

1681
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 2: fact I don't know who is actually the point. Somebody

1682
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: in Target has a brand deal.

1683
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: With them today. And you know what they did.

1684
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: They didn't say shit. They didn't turn on that camera.

1685
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: They didn't try to reason with anybody. They didn't offer

1686
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 2: a nuanced solution. They didn't try to ask for empathy.

1687
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: They didn't express any empathy. They said, this shit is

1688
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: above me. It's not really my business or my choice.

1689
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 2: I signed my contract. I know I can't break it

1690
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: for a year or whatever.

1691
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: The fuck.

1692
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say, and it sucks that people

1693
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: my comments and they're blaming me and they're saying all

1694
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,879
Speaker 2: this bullshit. But if we're being honest, I can address

1695
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 2: this shit when I ain't got a contract in a

1696
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: year and there's no penalty for me saying it, and

1697
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 2: I could come out and tell y'all exactly how I feel,

1698
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 2: right or wrong. But threatening leading needle and trying to

1699
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: operate in an atmosphere that is extremely about bad faith,

1700
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 2: extremely about attacking people. And I always empathize for the

1701
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 2: people at the center of these things because people that

1702
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 2: are reasonable do this all the time because they just

1703
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: don't fucking understand the Internet.

1704
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: They'll be like, well, all I said was this? Why

1705
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: she ain't respond?

1706
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 2: It's like because there's a bunch of people call her

1707
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: bed wenches, aunt, Jemima, coons and shit right, y'all, and

1708
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: y'all ignore them as if people are personally supposed to

1709
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: be attacked in that way and be completely reasonable.

1710
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Right, be all the way reasonable.

1711
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I feel bad for a lot

1712
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 3: of celebrities once they weeks of status, whatever this status is,

1713
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 3: because it's a lose lose. You say something, you lose,

1714
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 3: you don't say shit, you lose, and.

1715
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 2: You just once again they dealing with making a decision

1716
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 2: and too bad choices.

1717
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Right, it's definitely a lose lose because and you have

1718
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: people that talk bad about celebrities. The only time we

1719
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 3: hear about you is when you're telling when you selling

1720
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 3: the shit, right, bitch? Because if I talk, I want

1721
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 3: to get paid. If I'm not getting paid, why am

1722
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: I interacting with you?

1723
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1724
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even taking it to that level.

1725
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Because they're human beings and sometimes they do want to

1726
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: talk and not be paid.

1727
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I get that. I get that.

1728
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 2: That's a human being thing. Your people are going through

1729
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 2: something right now. You black, You're part of the reason

1730
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: you got this deal because you represent a lot of

1731
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 2: blackness to people right and you feel the responsibility to

1732
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: say something.

1733
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Don't make it smart. Don't make it smart.

1734
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes the best business decision is just let these motherfuckers

1735
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 2: that have assumed the worst of you continue to assume

1736
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,959
Speaker 2: the worst, because it's nothing you could have done this statement,

1737
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 2: no matter how nuanced it was. I've already seen people

1738
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: telling me how it's bad. If she said nothing, that's bad.

1739
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: If she came out and said boycott Target, I'm with

1740
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: y'all fucked them, that is also bad. By the way,

1741
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: people will be like, what a dummy she crashed out

1742
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: and fucked her bag up over some shit that niggas

1743
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: are gonna be shopping for in a week. Like they

1744
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: not even really organized, They not even the I think

1745
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: the best situation for her would have probably been to

1746
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: say nothing. Even if this came from the Like I said,

1747
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: I'm not assuming ilotant. So even if this came from

1748
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: the most positive place you can imagine, it's just no

1749
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: upside to expressing these thoughts in this environment, especially on social.

1750
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: Media, and I understand that it's very, very hard.

1751
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 3: And also I think for a lot of people, a

1752
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 3: lot of people have never been in the place, never

1753
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 3: been in a position.

1754
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Nor would they be.

1755
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 3: In a position where hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of

1756
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 3: people are coming at them all at once, asking and

1757
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 3: or demanding them to say something about a situation. You're

1758
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: not in a position where you have people that are

1759
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 3: depending that their livelihood is tied to you.

1760
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: You would never be in this position.

1761
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 3: Some I think that it's really easy for people to

1762
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 3: be all over the place with these posies.

1763
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: Say something, don't say something I don't understand, but but

1764
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: you have. But it's also those positions.

1765
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 2: But see, that's the thing though care Everyone feels like

1766
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: they're their own brand, so they think they've been in

1767
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 2: those positions them in their twelve followers to them is

1768
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: I'd be Tabitha Brown better than Tabitha Brown. Would be

1769
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: Tabitha Brown, right, like I would I know the perfect

1770
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 2: thing to say. Everybody would love me for saying it,

1771
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 2: But it's mostly because nobody's fucking with you on that level, right,

1772
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 2: So so you just talking and you mostly you have

1773
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: the privilege of anonymity, meaning that no one's docksing you

1774
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: or looking for you or whatever. But yeah, I think

1775
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 2: I think you're right in that it's it's just hard

1776
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 2: to imagine yourself in that situation.

1777
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: But also, like, I.

1778
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: Really think it's hard for a person who has risen

1779
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 2: the prominence because of their addressing the internet to be

1780
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 2: told or to even think this time, I shouldn't say.

1781
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 3: Shit, Right, It is very hard, like you said, when

1782
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 3: that's your brand, and human beings.

1783
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Want to respond.

1784
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 3: A lot of y'all want to fist fight your coworkers. Like, so,

1785
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do when you have thousands of people,

1786
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 3: billions of people coming and calling you out? You can't

1787
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 3: fight everybody.

1788
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, what's funny is that I don't think she even

1789
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: tried to fight anybody.

1790
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: No, No, Like that's the thing.

1791
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 2: People are phrasing this or presenting this like she was

1792
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: out here just talking greasy. I think she sounded reasonable

1793
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 2: and did not amp up, and didn't even respond to

1794
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 2: people saying horrible things to her, which I know happens

1795
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: because it's the Internet and she's a black woman.

1796
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: She didn't even address them.

1797
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: She's seem to only address the people coming in good faith,

1798
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: and because she said anything at all that wasn't just

1799
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: straight up boycott, She's being called all kinds of shit

1800
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: and it just is what it is. The other thing

1801
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,839
Speaker 2: is the hyper online people don't represent the majority of people.

1802
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people.

1803
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure I could walk through the next Hornet's Game

1804
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: we go to. I can stop every single person go

1805
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 2: what do you think about Tabitha Brown? And the vast

1806
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 2: majority of the I'm gonna be like the woman with

1807
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: the fro.

1808
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.

1809
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's online and it becomes hyper representative and it

1810
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: makes you feel a certain way because that's what it does.

1811
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know that this is actually the biggest deal.

1812
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: And the last think about the show, the last thing

1813
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking, I don't think I'm gonna tell the

1814
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: people that Inflection Network to clip any of this and

1815
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: put it online, because that's the problem.

1816
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I think that's what I.

1817
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: Love about the podcast. If you want to hear our

1818
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, I'm gonna need you to buy into

1819
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 2: this hour and a half.

1820
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth?

1821
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that keeps us from having to

1822
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 2: constantly be attacked online and go back and forth with people.

1823
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: They might not like that idea.

1824
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 2: They might go, well, even if people are attacking you,

1825
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 2: at least it's going viral on people. I'm not gonna

1826
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 2: send this clip to them. If they put it out somehow,

1827
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: just know they put it out without us saying to

1828
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 2: put it out, because I really think, especially after reading

1829
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: that book, amusing ourselves to death. I really think losing

1830
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 2: context and taking clips and making everything short when it's

1831
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: something discomplicated actually hurts the conversation, and it hurts the

1832
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 2: quality of the content. I would like to make good

1833
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: content that you had to invest an hour and a half,

1834
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: or at least say I listened to ten minutes and

1835
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 2: turn it off and know that you missed an hour

1836
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: and twenty minutes of shit that made sense, that may

1837
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 2: have explained some questions or some misgivings you had, and

1838
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 2: maybe you just say I'm not qualified to comment on that,

1839
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: and we don't get as many comments. I'm okay with

1840
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: all that same, but I think this world where you're

1841
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 2: trying to talk about a complex thing like a boycott,

1842
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 2: target boycott and quotes for in ten minutes, explain to

1843
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 2: them black business and all this shit. All you did

1844
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 2: was set set it up for them to take a

1845
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 2: one minute clip and tell everybody you ain't shit.

1846
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 1: So it's a waste of time.

1847
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 3: It I one hundred percent, and man agreeance with you,

1848
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 3: and and and you know it's it's one of those things.

1849
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 3: The next seventy two to foot it hours, y'all gonna

1850
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 3: be talking about something else like like and I mean

1851
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 3: that with all my heart.

1852
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Most people will not keep.

1853
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 2: Maybe I think people people hold on the ship like

1854
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 2: this for a long time. They're very negative, Like every

1855
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 2: time her name comes up, they'll they'll be going at

1856
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 2: her or bringing this up in some way, because that's

1857
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 2: the currency of online even if the vast majority of

1858
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 2: the world could give a fuck, and and and.

1859
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 3: The reason why I said that, Yes, you are still

1860
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: gonna have a subsection to people are gonna feel one

1861
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 3: way or the other. But I'm talking about the way

1862
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 3: the internet, the machine is gonna move past this moment.

1863
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: I know what you mean.

1864
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't be the number one trending topic forever.

1865
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 2: I'm saying for her personally, in her life right, people

1866
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 2: will associate this moment and more less importantly, the ten

1867
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 2: minutes that she talked, and more importantly, they'll associate the

1868
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,679
Speaker 2: sound bites the clips other people's opinions about it more

1869
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: than what she said, because once I saw the whole

1870
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: and I didn't even play the whole ten minutes, but

1871
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 2: once I heard the whole ten minutes myself, I was like, Okay,

1872
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 2: I'll see what she's saying. I don't necessarily think this

1873
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 2: is a point that you should be made from her

1874
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 2: just because I know how it will be received. But

1875
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't find it to be this not valid point.

1876
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 2: I think it's a very valid point if someone else

1877
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: presented it.

1878
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't even think people.

1879
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 2: Would necessarily be upset by it because it's just a

1880
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 2: very thoughtful point about how to organize a boycott and

1881
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 2: what it would do. But the end of the day,

1882
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 2: no one's really organizing shit, so it'll this will pass,

1883
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: all right, y'all. That said, it's late, it's almost midnight.

1884
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap this up. Thank you for listening, and

1885
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's turned out to be longer than we

1886
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: thought or I thought, but hopefully this was a good

1887
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: place to be able to have this conversation. We'll see

1888
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 2: you tomorrow with the mc University MCU University podcast, So

1889
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: if you like nerdy stuff, tune in tomorrow.

1890
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Until next time, I love you, I love you to