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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is a badass artist

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Speaker 1: and an even more badass human being. David Castagneda stars

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Speaker 1: in Netflix's critically acclaimed drama series The Umbrella Academy, which

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Speaker 1: is back for its fourth and final season. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, we are not quite ready to say goodbye now.

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Speaker 1: The Umbrella Academy is based on a collection of comics

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Speaker 1: and graphic novels and follows a group of estranged siblings

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Speaker 1: with extraordinary powers who uncover family secrets while battling looming

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Speaker 1: threats to humanity. Yeah, just sounds like you're normal Tuesday, right.

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Speaker 1: David quickly became a fan favorite of the show as

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Speaker 1: the sweet and impulsive and sometimes overly confident Diego Hargreaves.

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Speaker 1: He's a police academy dropout turned vigilante who desperately wants

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Speaker 1: to prove himself, and his performance is nothing short of brilliant.

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Speaker 1: We have so much fun diving into the Umbrella Academy

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Speaker 1: in this conversation, but we also really gets a peel

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Speaker 1: back who David is beyond his character of Diego. There

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Speaker 1: are so many nuggets of wisdom in this interview. You

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Speaker 1: my friends are in for a treat. So let's see

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Speaker 1: if today we can get David to say something that

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Speaker 1: he has never said before.

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Speaker 2: David, mom Man, how you doing. It's good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Tommy, I'm good man. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am fantastic. I am psyched to be chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: I see you right now in your fit era. You

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Speaker 1: got like the muscle teeon guns are popping. You're looking good.

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Speaker 1: You're looking good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man. You know, I always feel like my mental

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Speaker 3: state always correlates with how well I'm taking care of

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Speaker 1: Well, you're looking fly. Good to see you. We have

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to so I'm gonna jump right in.

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Speaker 1: I am sad to say it is the final season

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Speaker 1: of The Umbrella Academy, season four. I feel like the

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Speaker 1: world this morning, the show they're not ready to say goodbye.

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Speaker 1: So first off, how are you doing? Have you emotionally

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Speaker 1: prepared for this moment? Like are you ready to say

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Speaker 1: weird for you?

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Speaker 3: Well, what's funny is you know that question has my

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Speaker 3: answer to that question has changed over the last week.

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Speaker 3: When you know, we were doing press for Umbrella, like

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Speaker 3: a few days before the release. You know, obviously I

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Speaker 3: was like, I don't know when it's going to hit me,

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Speaker 3: because they hadn't hit me that this was it. I was.

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Speaker 3: I thought, maybe it'll hit me a few weeks after

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Speaker 3: the show comes out, or maybe in a few months.

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Speaker 3: And when the show came out the day it came out,

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Speaker 3: that's when it really hit me, this sadness of not

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Speaker 3: owning it anymore because no one had seen the last season.

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Speaker 3: It was just us between the cast and the crew,

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Speaker 3: and so when it got released, it was as if

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Speaker 3: it belongs to the world now and it's not mine.

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Speaker 3: That's when it really hit this feeling of oh, we're

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Speaker 3: not we're done, and it's to everyone else's interpretation how

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Speaker 3: they experienced the last season and it's not mine anymore.

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Speaker 3: And so I am in that space now where very

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Speaker 3: you know, it's very real, like it's over. Hopefully people

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Speaker 3: are enjoying it and you know, maybe they get some closure,

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Speaker 3: maybe they won't. I don't know, but I'm yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: going through it, you know, I'm going through it right now.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's very much a grieving process, right

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Speaker 1: like you kind of go through all the different emotions

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Speaker 1: and it hits you in different ways. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: been a part of your life for I know, four seasons,

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Speaker 1: but how many years has that been.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen was when we start shooting the first season,

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Speaker 3: so I want to say late twenty seventeen when I

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Speaker 3: got the call wow, And we started shooting in twenty

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Speaker 3: eighteen during the winter in Toronto. So it's been six years,

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Speaker 3: six plus years of my life and I've gone to

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Speaker 3: grow with this character in various ways and got to

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Speaker 3: meet some of my closest friends on this show, and

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Speaker 2: Are you good with beginnings and endings?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Are you a sentimental guy? Are you able to just

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Speaker 3: This is very new. I've never been one to say

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Speaker 3: goodbye to anything. I've always been the person that sneaks

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Speaker 3: out at parties or gatherings. I avoid the when am

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Speaker 3: I going to see you again? Conversation? That's to me,

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Speaker 3: that's something that I don't know. So I've just rather

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Speaker 3: going to try to, you know, like a season rap

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Speaker 3: I was almost out the door. I was like by

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Speaker 3: pas brought me back there like Steve Blackman wants you back,

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Speaker 3: and obviously Steve was the big boss, you know, so

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I go back, and then

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Speaker 3: you know, and everyone's clapping, and oddly enough, for being

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Speaker 1: I feel, Yeah, for sure, it's so interesting that that

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Speaker 1: was your moment of closure, right, Like, you put all

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Speaker 1: this blood, sweat and tears into this role, into the

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Speaker 1: series and people just wanted to celebrate you, and you

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Speaker 2: Good I'm good, love you all. But I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been that way. It's you know, especially

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Speaker 3: You know, it was like they're gone, and so we

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Speaker 3: by the way, we're on the road already, we've left,

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Speaker 3: you know, and they just didn't like watching us have

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Speaker 2: I guess I can relate.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a very old school Italian family,

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Speaker 1: and it's similar. It's like, you know, you know there's love,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's good vibes, but we don't always want

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Speaker 1: to show it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you know, from this culture, you I'm

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Speaker 3: sure it's like very loud, very tight, and and the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, how old are you tell.

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Speaker 2: Me I'm thirty hell and I'm thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: Thirty eight, I'm in. Yeah, we'll start source serve at

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Speaker 2: You're younger now, yeah, thirty four.

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Speaker 3: But still, you know, we're like in that space where,

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Speaker 3: like I feel, we can see our families as individuals,

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Speaker 3: and as we remove ourselves a little bit more, then

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Speaker 3: to keep this from my culture and my family, and

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Speaker 3: I like to change this, and you know, we have autonomy,

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Speaker 3: I guess through the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's definitely a learning curve and

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Speaker 1: a learning process. But you come and see your own

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Speaker 1: and you keep what you love and you kind of

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Speaker 2: So it's a it's all part of it.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of family, man the cast, I think some

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Speaker 1: a family. So is that dynamic? Has that been a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when I first started the first season,

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Speaker 3: I was looking for deep relationships with the people that

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Speaker 3: and I want to know more. I want to know

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Speaker 3: more deeply about things, and you know, when you're first

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Speaker 3: like we were reuniting for like a family reunion. Every

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Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of respect within all

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Speaker 3: for example, season two, you know, everyone had their own

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Speaker 3: so excited to see everyone else's scenes, you know, and

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Speaker 3: getting to see what they did. I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: this is amazing. Getting to see it was like birthday

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Speaker 3: presents for each character. And then you know, you come together,

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Speaker 3: you form a deeper bond, especially over the six years,

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Speaker 3: seven years that I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I mean, we never talked every day, but

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Speaker 3: when we saw each other, it was just, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a testament to a real relationship. You

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Speaker 1: people have a million different things going on, but when

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Speaker 1: It's it's the most amazing feeling. So that's awesome that

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Speaker 1: you feel that with a big group of people. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: the role you play is so epic. He's he's a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite for good reason, right, I mean, people just

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Speaker 1: love Diego. When you think back of your entire time

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Speaker 3: I guess the parts of myself that I was able

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Speaker 3: to explore that I didn't have to give too much

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Speaker 3: reason why I'm doing things. An example would be I

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Speaker 3: would have never gone to Thailand to train muay Thai

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Speaker 3: real reason as to why I'm doing something. And so

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Speaker 3: the excuse to be able to do that is a

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Speaker 3: gift because Diego needed that. And and so there were

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Speaker 3: so I was able to be like, Oh, what's the

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Speaker 3: what's the entry point of Diego this year? You know?

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Speaker 3: And I don't think you get that a lot on

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Speaker 3: which I did with Diego. But there was always a

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Speaker 1: fact that you kind of slide into his shoes so

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Speaker 1: fast is a testament to how you connected with the material.

434
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Speaker 2: For sure.

435
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: This series is obviously based off a very popular comics series,

436
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: and with that comes a built in fandom and perhaps

437
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: some pressure to please that built in fandom. Did you

438
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Speaker 1: ever feel that going into the show or were you

439
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: able to kind of separate that and just get to work.

440
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 3: No, I was I was able to separate that. I

441
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: didn't know how popular they were until we started promoting,

442
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: when they flew us to all these places around the world,

443
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: where I got to go to Singapore, you know, Brazil

444
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: Comic Con, New York Comic Con, and and getting to

445
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: see the uproar of or excitement of what this show was.

446
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: I was like, how do they we haven't even showed

447
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: a trailer and how are these people so excited? And

448
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: so thankfully it wasn't until after, so I didn't have

449
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: this pressure of like, oh, what are people are going

450
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 3: to think? I was you know, I had maybe like

451
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 3: seven hundred followers on Instagram, so I was like completely like,

452
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: no one knows me, and this will be it. And

453
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: when my and it still didn't click on me because

454
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: Steve Blackman, at the beginning of season one, he goes,

455
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, I want to get the Diego a stammer

456
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: because you know, he's such as such a cool and

457
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: like tough guy, and it's like, I really want to

458
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: give him something that I think will bring some vulnerability.

459
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: And I said, great, let's do it. And I told

460
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 3: my buddy Colin. I was like, hey, so they're going

461
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 3: to give me a stammer and he was like, well,

462
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: you got to be careful, bro, this is going to

463
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: be your big debut. I was like, debut for what?

464
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: And he's like, this is going to be big and

465
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, right, whatever, and yeah he was right,

466
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, and yeah, and even it's funny enough. Even

467
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: going into season two three four, I've been really I

468
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: think it's been really healthy because I don't feel that

469
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: pressure of what are people going to think about this?

470
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: I'm very blessed in that, I think department.

471
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Speaker 1: I've seen on social media a lot of people, a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of people are saying they would be down for

473
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: your character to have a spinoff.

474
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Speaker 2: Have you seen that?

475
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: No? I haven't. Actually, yeah, like.

476
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: People are almost it's starting to gain some traction. Is

477
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: that something you would ever consider?

478
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: Man? I mean, I got goosebumps. You're saying that if

479
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: I wants to do so, maybe yeah, I would. I mean,

480
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: I love, I love this character. I think I think

481
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: it'd be awesome to have an opportunity to continue. But

482
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: that's you know, I'm open. It all depends on Netflix

483
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: and Universal to you know, be gained for that, but

484
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: we'll see. And dark Horse also because dark Horses, you

485
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: know sort of the you know, they do the comics

486
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: and stuff.

487
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about what you might want to

488
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: explore if given more time, or maybe something you never

489
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: got the chance to explore for your character?

490
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I would like to see what the five

491
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: years or the six years that happens between season three

492
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: and four, you know, or possibly like you know, see

493
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: what he was doing before the harder funeral, you know,

494
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: seeing like those those moments before, Because I think there

495
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: was something that evolved with Diego as the seasons progress,

496
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: which is his comedy, you know, and I feel like

497
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: for season one he was dry, he was witty and

498
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: very angry, but as the season move along, he sort

499
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: of became a little bit more you know, the butt

500
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: of the joke. So that being said, I kind of

501
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: want to see, like if is that possible to introduce

502
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: that in an earlier stage of his life. But you

503
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, the Umbrella the Umbrella riders

504
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: are so witty and you know, so smart, and they'll

505
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: just come up with like the zonkiest storylines. So one

506
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: thing we did think, you know, Tom and I were

507
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: thinking about it was like, dude, you know, it would

508
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: be great. It's like if Diego and Luther getting some

509
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 3: sort of like Bill and Ted's like excellent adventure kind

510
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: of thing where like they're able to use a briefcase

511
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: and they go to these different places kind of like doctor.

512
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: You know, they can just go to these different ways

513
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: and then just be too you know, Abbot and Costellos,

514
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: you know, talking to like some I don't know, some

515
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: Egyptian gods or something.

516
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, just you know, we're putting it all

517
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: out there right now, so let's let's let's let it

518
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: live in the universe. And you never know, that would

519
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: be actually really hysterical to watch. So I'm into that. Yeah,

520
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: very interesting, many ideas that could come out of this.

521
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: So who knows if we'll see your character again, but

522
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would be here for it.

523
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: You did you play this character over the course of

524
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: seven eight years, we'll say, four seasons. What has David

525
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: the Human learned most about himself from starting on day

526
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: one to where you are today?

527
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think, yeah, you know, I'll

528
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: tell you this. One of the things that I've learned

529
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: is snipper about you. You know, it's never about you

530
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: and or it's never about me, you know, in terms

531
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: of in terms of telling myself because so many times,

532
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, you go into a set and you think

533
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: that everyone around you is behaving a certain way because

534
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: of you, and it's never really the case. Everyone's sort

535
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: of having their own world, their own thoughts, their own perceptions.

536
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: And as an artist, you know, sometimes we think we're

537
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: so you know, we could be self centered. We could

538
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: be so self centered, so when we show up we

539
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: can feel like, how do I get mine right now?

540
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: And is this person preventing me from doing that? And

541
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: what I've learned through being on the show and through

542
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: acting mostly is about it's always make it about the

543
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: other person. Always. That is, I think when the purest

544
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: form really comes out, when i'd remove myself from it,

545
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: excuse me, and I make it about a person in

546
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: front of me. If I do that, and if hopefully

547
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: they have the same mentality, then everything falls into place. Everything,

548
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: the entire scene, the storylines, the dynamics on set, it

549
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: all sings. And that was something that I did not

550
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: have going into season one. I remember that I was very,

551
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: very insecure. It comes in ways still today. But if

552
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: I focus on making it about the other person, everything

553
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: kind of I stop thinking about myself.

554
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: That's a good reminder, man, And that's a testament to

555
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: the success you've had and the success you'll continue to

556
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: have and everything you've accomplished. I mean, in speaking of success,

557
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: do you feel that, like do you look at yourself

558
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I feel successful?

559
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm doing my thing.

560
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: Sometimes Yeah, sometimes I'll I'll just kind of. I remember

561
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: when I used to rent a studio in Silver Lake

562
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: and I wasn't making much money, but I just I

563
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: was just the fact that my heart and my mind,

564
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: my spirit was able to provide some sort of money

565
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: to have a studio. I was like, this is insane.

566
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: I can't believe that my imagination is providing this. It

567
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: blows my mind that there's a there. We're in a

568
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: world where we can actually do those things and we

569
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: can have some sort of we can make a you know,

570
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: have a livable wage at something like this. And obviously

571
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: I understand, like, you know, I am very lucky because

572
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 3: my preparation with the right, perfect timing got me in

573
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: this position, and that not everyone is doing that. But

574
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: the fact that, you know, sometimes I can have these

575
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: little moments of yeah, I'm doing all right, and it

576
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: goes this goes back to not comparing myself because the

577
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: moment I start comparing, like oh I should be here

578
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: or I should be there now, it robs me of

579
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: of being yeah, proud, just proud of what I've done.

580
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: And I don't even know what happens like that, you know,

581
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: but you know, my family's healthy friends are good. I

582
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: got I got food, I've got a healthy dog, you know,

583
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: so I be like.

584
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing pretty good, good good.

585
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I think it's always an important reminder for us to

586
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: check ourselves because we always, you know, you want more.

587
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: We always want to keep hopefully growing and excelling and

588
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: getting that next kind of marker on the chart that

589
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: we have of our lives kind of mapped out. But

590
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: to sit back and reflect and actually think, like, you know,

591
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm I'm I'm doing some cool things

592
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of me. I think that's a reminder.

593
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I try to check in with myself on and I

594
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: try to bring that up with other people, because it's

595
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: probably not something you walk around your home looking in

596
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: a mirror saying like I'm successful, I'm proud someone you

597
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: have someone or maybe you do maybe that's a Tuesday

598
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: night for you. Yeah, But when you have someone kind

599
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: of way done in front of you, I think that's

600
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty cool thing. So that's awesome and I'm

601
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: glad that you feel that way.

602
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: Man.

603
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Ah, I'm so sad to have to wrap up this

604
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: conversation because I've been enjoying it so very much. But

605
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: the final question of this interview is based off the

606
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: title of the show, which is I've never said this before.

607
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: And I know you've done so many interviews and so

608
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: much press over the years, and even today you've shared

609
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: so much that's been amazing. But is there something that

610
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: you can think of that you've never said before that

611
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: you would like to share today?

612
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: I mean there's there. I mean there's a lot of

613
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: things that I've never said before. And obviously, like in

614
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: a public setting, right like, because there's one thing to

615
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: share something with, like family and people that are really

616
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: close to you, and then when you go to a

617
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: public setting, a lot of it is it's like, Okay,

618
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: how do I say something with that it becoming a

619
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: headline that'm sort of that people misinterpreted or anything like that.

620
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah, one of the things that

621
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: I've sort of never said was, you know, I had

622
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: a real deep and it goes both ways, had a

623
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: very deep security of where I was going to land.

624
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: I just knew. I was like my life has been

625
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: so up and down between like I lived in like

626
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: thirteen different homes before I was the age of seven,

627
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: right with my family moving from this place or that

628
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: place of this place and then going to Mexico for

629
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: some security and always not fitting in. It was really

630
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: it was so hard. But the thing that really kept

631
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: me going was obviously I had a wonderful family, but

632
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: kept me going was life is not putting me through

633
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: all of this if it's not going to give me

634
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: something at the back end, whatever that is. I didn't

635
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: know I was going to be this specifically, you know,

636
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be I don't know.

637
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know, but I just knew that that was

638
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: my thought was like, I'm learning all this right now,

639
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 3: how to adapt, how to connect with people, how to

640
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: withstand some adversity and conflict, because there's something at the

641
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: end of this tunnel that's going to give me that

642
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to use all of this

643
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: to adapt. And I was able to because in acting,

644
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: all you're trying to do is relate to the other

645
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: person and what are you, what do we have in common?

646
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: And how do I really get in there with you?

647
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: And how do I read the room? And makes me

648
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: more aware of the space. And that was something that

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Speaker 3: that was you know, that was the deep understanding. I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, I think something really good is going

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Speaker 3: to happen from this, and yeah, and I'm able to

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Speaker 3: use that as a tool to on my you know,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that so interesting that not feeling like you fit

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Speaker 1: in all those years and you're kind of bouncing around

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Speaker 1: and not knowing your place didn't dissuade you or throw

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Speaker 1: you off of the path to going after what it

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Speaker 1: is you wanted to achieve. Like that's that is some willpower,

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Speaker 1: right because not everyone would follow that that road. They

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Speaker 1: might say, oh, you know what, I don't fit in,

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Speaker 1: I'm not meant to be anywhere, Like I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to figure out where life takes me. But you had

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Speaker 1: such drive, I guess, and determination to move past that

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Speaker 3: I feel like it sort of goes back to you know,

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Speaker 3: the people around us. You know the people around us

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Speaker 3: that don't really let you I don't know if I

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Speaker 3: don't want to say they don't let you notice the

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Speaker 3: adversity or the conflicts. They just make it so normal.

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Speaker 3: They make it so normal that when something happens, when

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Speaker 3: you feel rejected, when you don't feel like you fit in.

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Speaker 3: You just know that things are still okay. You know,

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Speaker 3: everything is still fine. Like I remember going to the

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Speaker 3: store and my parents being like, what do you want?

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Speaker 3: You want this great and we're about to buy it

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Speaker 3: and the credit card declines, you know, and being outside

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Speaker 3: and watch and my dad even speaks about this about

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Speaker 3: He's like, you know, just see in your face how

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Speaker 3: much it would break me of your sort of sadness

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Speaker 3: and your disappointment that you were about to get something

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Speaker 3: and you didn't get it. But even through that, I

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Speaker 3: understood that not everything will fall my way, not everything.

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Speaker 3: And so that was just one of the most helpful

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Speaker 3: lessons as a child, because you know, if something doesn't

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Speaker 3: fall my way. Now I can think about those moments

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, it wasn't meant to be. And

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Speaker 3: it could be so cliche and stereotypical right to say

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Speaker 3: those things, but when you know, we've all experienced them,

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Speaker 3: we all have, I guessaid it goes back to this thing,

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Speaker 3: it's it's not about us, it's not about me.

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Speaker 1: I'm walking away from this conversation like smiling from me

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Speaker 1: hear to ear, because I'm always it's so fulfilling for

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Speaker 1: me as the host of the show, and I get

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Speaker 1: to talk to people who really get to open up

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Speaker 1: in ways that you don't always get to in a

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Speaker 1: six minute junkitt or a three minute carpet. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I get to like the heart of who you are. Right,

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Speaker 1: we all know the character you play. It's a character.

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Speaker 1: It's not real. Like I want to get to know

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Speaker 1: who you are as my guests. And it's really cool

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Speaker 1: you came on here today and like shared all of

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Speaker 1: that and just show the human side to you, which

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to find

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Speaker 1: also so fulfilling. So for that, I thank you. This

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Speaker 1: was really a great conversation. I couldn't have enjoyed it more.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tommy and Man, obviously I appreciate you and

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Speaker 3: also your intellect and you know your questions and just

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Speaker 3: how much you sort of bring yourself to it. You

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Speaker 3: know it's it's easy. You make it really easy.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, my friend. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you're ever in New York, let me know I'll

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Speaker 1: be following your career.

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 1: The fourth season of The Umbrella Academy is out now

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Speaker 1: go watch it over and over again and until we

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Speaker 1: meet again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tommy, and I will I'll reach out to

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Speaker 3: you in New York once I get there.

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Speaker 2: All right, sounds good, be willing Man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you too many.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by me, Tommy Dedario.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've

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Speaker 1: Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran

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