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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Melman of the Action Network. I'm live

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Speaker 1: from my Tommy John home studio. I'm joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my co host, my companion, my Campadre might be

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Speaker 1: a FAFT professional better Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon, Chad.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing? Brother?

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Speaker 1: Listen dude, I'm in the middle of an epic, epic

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Speaker 1: travel streak. I've been gone for three to four days

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Speaker 1: of every week and just about every weekend since the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Got home late last night after visiting Penn

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Speaker 1: State University over the weekend with my son. We're narrowing

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Speaker 1: down the college choices. We're getting down to the end.

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Speaker 1: I am going to ask my guests, because he's intimately

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Speaker 1: familiar with all of the places that my son has left.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to want to get his opinion on it.

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Speaker 1: But the NCAA tournament is underway. You and I have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest. He's honestly, he's an inspiration to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the people on our production staff, some

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Speaker 1: of whom he's actually worked with very closely, including myself.

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Speaker 1: He's always been an incredible producer, one of the legendary

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Speaker 1: ESPN producers. He became a beloved media personality, not television,

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Speaker 1: not audio, all around media personality. Always been a passionate gambler.

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Speaker 1: I've known the guy for fifteen years, going back to

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Speaker 1: my ESPN days. You've seen him on Sports Center with

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Speaker 1: SVP College Game Day. Our OG listeners are going to

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Speaker 1: know him very well from not just the Behind the

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Speaker 1: Bets podcast from my ESPN days, he also co hosted

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Speaker 1: the spinoff podcast with Chris Filica, Behind the Bets the

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Speaker 1: College Years. A gambling content pioneer. It's Stanford, Steve Stanford,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Hello fellas pleasure, Welcome U. Chad's been too long.

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Speaker 3: I was so pumped to see at the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: It's it's the best part, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody that has to deal with the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl finds their pockets and everybody has gotten to the

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Speaker 3: point where you know you it's like, you know, Kyle

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Speaker 3: Brant did the best thing about seeing people at the

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Speaker 3: super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was tremendous. Just the three questions that

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Speaker 4: are asked.

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Speaker 3: But people know what to expect when you've done so

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Speaker 3: many of them, and you know, I'm not the concert

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Speaker 3: going guy. I'm not gonna you know, I just have

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Speaker 3: zero interest. And the best times I've had are you know,

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Speaker 3: a little small private party or just telling guys, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm at this hotel bar, let's let's meet there. And

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Speaker 3: those are the best times because you go to these shows,

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Speaker 3: you can't hear a word anyone's saying, uh, and you

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Speaker 3: want to talk to people because you haven't seen him

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Speaker 3: in social media is a great connection, but you're not

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Speaker 3: getting what you can get and then you see things

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Speaker 3: on social media that people are posting and you're like, eh,

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Speaker 3: I'd love to ask about that, and that's the time

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Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 4: So it was great to catch up with you. And

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Speaker 4: it's been too long.

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Speaker 3: I you know, people talk about you know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's always like, how.

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Speaker 4: Did you go from producer to TV?

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Speaker 3: And your name is the first one that comes up

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Speaker 3: because you gave you gave the bear and I a

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Speaker 3: little on ramp to the highway that I didn't know

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Speaker 3: what was podcasts and you did and your vision has

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Speaker 3: always been just incredible to me. Uh, going back when

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Speaker 3: you used to come in in studio every week with ESPN,

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Speaker 3: the magazine with Scott and Ryan us developer friendship there

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Speaker 3: and I mean you literally had us on and like yeah, Harry,

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Speaker 3: go go do your own and not knowing what the

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Speaker 3: platform was, and then to hear people react and then

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Speaker 3: Baron and I get to get to interact with the

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Speaker 3: people we did and and and get get people to listen.

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Speaker 3: It was I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it's been fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even expecting that.

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Speaker 3: No, man, I try and say out of sight, out

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Speaker 3: of mind, It's not true. People always remember certain things.

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Speaker 3: Maybe certain people remember want to remember certain things. But no, man,

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget the opportunity you gave us, and it's

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Speaker 3: turned into an unbelievable run. This past year at college

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Speaker 3: football was most fun I've ever had, with the playoff

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Speaker 3: and traveling, going to Bloomington for the first time among

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Speaker 3: the top things. So it's a pleasure to meet you guys,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you, what you guys do, what you've built. It's

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Speaker 3: really really in credible in this, you know, podcasting and gambling.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's ever going to end, and there's

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Speaker 3: got to be a roof at some point. But how

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Speaker 3: early you started at Chad is still something I'm amazed by.

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Speaker 3: And the belief that you had in yourself and establishing

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Speaker 3: a crew is really really cool to see because we've

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Speaker 3: seen plenty go by the wayside.

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Speaker 4: And here we are.

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Speaker 1: Dude. I got a feeling. Matt Mitchell and Gifford, who

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Speaker 1: used to work with you at ESPN, Yeah, they're probably

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Speaker 1: going to cut all that out.

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Speaker 4: But had any purposes. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Listen the behind the bets the college years. That was

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Speaker 1: the most natural evolution, Simon. You would not know this

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Speaker 1: because you did not care about me before you DM

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter. But the podcast that how old is

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Speaker 1: Simon Simon Simon's thirty.

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Speaker 2: Five thirty five? Yeah, Chad, Chad knows the deal.

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Speaker 5: I lived the life there for I was living in Vegas,

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Speaker 5: degener gambler, so Risilla NSVP did make my cut though,

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Speaker 5: So I didn't listen to gambling stuffcause I don't want

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Speaker 5: to my head. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna know it all, asshole,

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Speaker 5: especially back in those days. But yeah, when I was

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Speaker 5: a runner, living in my car, running from across Vegas,

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Speaker 5: long days, lots of SVP and Marcille and they're random

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Speaker 5: gems of Stanford Steve just humble in for one or

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Speaker 5: two seconds.

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Speaker 2: You know that is Stanford Steve. I'm sure you've heard this.

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Speaker 5: Everyone's favorite character on any show is the guy that

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Speaker 5: talks for maybe one or two minutes. Right, So I

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Speaker 5: hit the point of like I liked SVP, I liked Forcillo,

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Speaker 5: but anytime I got to hear at Stanford Steve's story,

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Speaker 5: especially your glory days of college, I'm just like, fuck,

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Speaker 5: this guy is the man. So yeah, obviously seeing what

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Speaker 5: you were started out as where you're at now, man,

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Speaker 5: it's it's pretty epic how you've taken that little niche

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Speaker 5: and made it to a huge, huge career.

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Speaker 2: Man, you're the man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Chad, Chad created that niche. So again, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm serious. I'm telling you because it.

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Speaker 3: Was, man, because I mean, I would, I would even

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Speaker 3: I would still get shipped from from Radio PRIs. You're like,

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Speaker 3: They're like what, like you're talking, I'm like yeah, and

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Speaker 3: it it it turned into what it did.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, behind the bets, man, holy Cayle, that was long.

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Speaker 1: We were doing that show from across the studio. With

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Speaker 1: SVP and Rosillo and even Feli could crush that. You

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Speaker 1: do an episode a segment on Behind the Bets just

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Speaker 1: about college football, and at some point, like you guys

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Speaker 1: college years for the old heads. Yea, the perfect name.

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Speaker 1: Carry on, gentlemen, and it was fucking great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're you hated college football and you will

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Speaker 4: So that was that. Would you nail it out of

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Speaker 1: That's called complimentary football, right there, Stanford, That's what that is.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, glad you asked. I got my list right here.

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Speaker 3: Bracket comes out because I get it, and you guys

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Speaker 4: They want picks, they want picks, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Really really hard because I still think the bracket dictates

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Speaker 4: And things like that.

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Speaker 3: So I have five teams in Duke's bracket that I

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Speaker 3: on by a whisper. But I can't give up on

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Speaker 3: them because again, the hardest thing we do in this

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Speaker 3: the hardest. I think it's the hardest thing with NBA

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Speaker 3: the hardest thing with college football after a team plays

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Speaker 2: Are probably all gonna be gone within the next year

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Speaker 5: It's just a lot to take on, but college is

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I have plenty of teams that I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think Yukon went for close to forty K and

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Speaker 3: It's super fun when it goes well. But uh yeah,

437
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: we've done a good job of avoiding the catastrophe.

438
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Speaker 1: You when you do your Calcuttas. And I'll explain it

439
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: sort of as generally as I can so people understand.

440
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: It's basically your buying teams that you think are going

441
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: to win the entire tournament, and you're basically going all

442
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: in on those teams. But you can invest in sort

443
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: of three four different teams depending on the number of

444
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Speaker 1: people in the Calcutta and the size of the pool

445
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Speaker 1: that you want it to be, et cetera, et cetera.

446
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: When you are playing in a Calcutta, do you go

447
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Speaker 1: in with a couple of people that you're pooling your money?

448
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Speaker 3: Oh?

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah O.

450
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Speaker 3: Our biggest thing is we basically have the percentages, but

451
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: we don't know the big We don't know the total

452
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: number yet because you don't know what you spend until

453
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: you know. So it's you know, that year with Illinois,

454
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Speaker 3: we got out on Illinois. They were and they ended

455
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Speaker 3: up going for high twenties, I would say, and I

456
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Speaker 3: think we got I think we were in at like

457
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Speaker 3: nineteen and they were like the first one seat because

458
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: you do it backwards, like you get the eleven and

459
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Speaker 3: fourteen seed in a region. I think you get twelve

460
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 3: and fifteen how we do it? But then once you

461
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: get to you know, the top four seeds, it's every

462
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 3: team's its own. So you know, a couple of years ago,

463
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: who do we have Oral Roberts when they made the

464
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: run like we I think we spend twenty five hundred

465
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: and they got to the Elite eight like we were.

466
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: In the way they do it is you don't know

467
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: the payouts for each round because you don't know how

468
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: much money is in the pop. But once you know that,

469
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: you know a first round win and second round win

470
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: are are one percent of the pot, and then it

471
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Speaker 3: doubles and it keeps doubling, and it's you know, you

472
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Speaker 3: you those sweets. To get to the sweet sixteen is enormous.

473
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: To get to the Laite A is even bigger, and

474
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 3: obviously the final four and title gamer are monstrous. But

475
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Speaker 3: it's it's a super super fun and we got you know,

476
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 3: we've been together five years I think now since I

477
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: moved here, So it's super super fun. If you if

478
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: you get a chance and and and you want to

479
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: take a different way of looking at the tournament, it's

480
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: totally different because it also gives you betting chances, you know,

481
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: if if you you know, it's sort of a you

482
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: know the opposite of a happiness hedge, where you know

483
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 3: you could do that. So and then if you don't

484
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: get the team that you really wanted, uh, you can

485
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: go bet them, you know, if you want it. Uh,

486
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: if you if you're really that confident and there's discrepancies

487
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 3: on your team or something like that. So it it

488
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: creates a whole nother viewpoint of the tournament, which I

489
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: find super super cool.

490
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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know that I've ever asked

491
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Speaker 1: you this, or if I did, I can't remember the answer.

492
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: You're from Connecticut, Like, how did you get into betting?

493
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

494
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 3: Being around people that we're doing it and weren't supposed to, Uh,

495
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: you know a lot of relatives and Chad. It's funny

496
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 3: I get asked. You know, you guys get all questions,

497
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: all that you always betting, every gonna stop the advertising,

498
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: the whole thing. I just think people are so much

499
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: more better off now because you know, I seen and

500
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: heard horror stories of you know, local bookies, right, and

501
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: you see these people and they're just betting on credit.

502
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're gonna run if they're not. You know,

503
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: the rule number one is you can't bet money you

504
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: don't have. That's that, that's rule number one in gaming.

505
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: You you're only asking for trouble if you do that.

506
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: And with the apps, now your money's are like it's

507
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: already there, you know, Yeah, I want you want a

508
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: hundred bucks on a game, they're taking it right then,

509
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: and then you get it.

510
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: You get it.

511
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: On the other end, it's just like going to a

512
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Speaker 3: book in a sports book at any of the places,

513
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: and there's no more betting with credit. So I think

514
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: the way yeah, if you if you have direct access

515
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: to the account where that app is set up, you

516
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: could run into some issues, but it's fun. Is just

517
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: just wheeling and trying to play catch up. It's kind

518
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: of it's kind of not you're not able to do

519
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: it on these apps because the money's up front. So

520
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: seeing that and and everybody be infatuated with the parlays,

521
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: now I get it. It's way healthier than the stuff

522
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: that I grew up around, where it was going against

523
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 3: rule number one, and it was people betting money that

524
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: they didn't have and being allowed to because they were

525
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: betting on credit with the guy.

526
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: Was that just like family friends, family buddies in the neighborhood.

527
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the old slips.

528
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: Back in the day, you remember the slips, Yeah for sure.

529
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: You know, those slips were going around high school like hotcakes. Man,

530
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: you get your hand on a slip and somebody's booking

531
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: it and then somebody hits one and they don't have them.

532
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: Like it's it all started then, Man.

533
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Who listen back in the day, this is semi before

534
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: Simon's time, maybe not, but parlay cards were the big thing,

535
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: and parlay cards would just fly through the high schools, yep.

536
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: And that's how it got a lot of people into bedding.

537
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Like Simon, you live sort of on the cusp of

538
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: all this because you know, Stanford and I are a

539
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: little bit older than you.

540
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: A little bit.

541
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 5: But like Delaware, my old my memories of Delaware is

542
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 5: going to a pizzeria and filling out a parlay card

543
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 5: at the pizzeria while waiting to get my slice. And

544
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 5: it's like, you know that was at seventeen eighteen, Like

545
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 5: we drive down from Jersey to Delaware, they'll get a

546
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 5: slice and make a bet.

547
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, the thing Steve's talking about like cracks him up.

548
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: I'll think about like my bookie, especially when I was young,

549
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 5: is not only the credit thing, but like having to

550
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 5: meet up with that bookie to give cash too and

551
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 5: having that conversation and being like I'm one hundred short

552
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: and give me that look of like it's no problem,

553
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 5: like he knows he's got you down the road anyway.

554
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: You got my number exactly.

555
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: And the other thing too, Chad, is people don't get

556
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: like like from twelve to one on an NFL Sunday,

557
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: like everybody knew where the guy was and you had

558
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: to call and that's when like, you know, there they

559
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: didn't usually have what do we call it total phone

560
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: where you could you know, call waiting. It was just

561
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: like I'm trying to call it. It's busy, it's busy.

562
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: It's busy.

563
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: He's got the phone off the hook.

564
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: And so like you had to make the call and

565
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: and and to your points, like you had to go

566
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: meet up and like was there going to be a

567
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: conversation or you know, like it's just and you know,

568
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: everybody had their weeks, right all right, we close. You know,

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: the NFL was always do you give Monday night as

570
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: the as the end of the week, and and you know,

571
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: Uncle's another words. I live by Monday night football. If

572
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: this game was at Sunday at one o'clock, would you

573
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: be betting? And it's like probably not because but everybody's

574
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: down and they're trying to chase let's throw it down

575
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: and lose it.

576
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Is it's not on Sunday at one o'clock. It's on Monday. Yeah,

577
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: I think I might.

578
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: Yep exactly, So oh god.

579
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you mine. A buddy of mine just wrote.

580
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: His name is Alan Lobe and he has been on

581
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the show before. He's a very successful screenwriter. He wrote

582
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: the movie twenty one, he wrote the movie Wall Street two.

583
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: He's written ten twelve movies that a lot of folks

584
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: have seen. Has continued to produce a lot. He just

585
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: wrote a story about his gambling addictions and actually was

586
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: really thoughtful about why he believes legalized sports betting is

587
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: better even though there are constant commercials now and this

588
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: has been a crazy week about sweep steak. So what

589
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: about the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission and whether or

590
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: not they're going to continue to allow the prediction markets

591
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: like robin Hood and Kelshi to allow full basically buying

592
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and selling of teams in March madness that it's still

593
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: better because of what you just pointed out Stanford, which

594
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: is you're not betting on credit, right, you're not. If

595
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: you're digging yourself into a whole, it's a different conversation

596
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: than when you're digging yourself into a whole.

597
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 5: Long Now, young kids don't know I know guys who,

598
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: especially my Runner days, Chad, Like between twenty ten and

599
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: twenty twelve, I can tell you a handful of guys

600
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: that owed money, they became priest, or joined the military,

601
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 5: or just you know, completely disappear and move to Argentina.

602
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: You don't hear those stories as much as you did.

603
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: Back then because guys would get up to twenty k

604
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 5: thirty k debt and they don't have a dollar to

605
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: their name. So, like Steve's talking about, I'm getting all

606
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 5: these funny memories thinking back to these crazy characters I knew.

607
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, I haven't seen Jimmy in a couple

608
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: of weeks. Oh that dude's a fucking priest.

609
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Now, dude, he's gone. It's like, what, Yeah, he's a

610
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: priest now.

611
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 5: It's like, those are the things I think back to

612
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: of those days of credit man, guys were just on

613
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: the run.

614
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633
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Speaker 1: people realize how big of a recruit you were. Remind me, like,

634
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: where were you ranked when you were coming out of

635
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: high school? Because I also believe you had an offer

636
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame. I think you and I talked about

637
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: this once. But give me sort of the context for

638
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: your football all star hood and where else you could

639
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: have gone.

640
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Speaker 3: Uh. I'm trying to remember the name of the magazine,

641
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: but this was pre internet nine athlon.

642
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Was it athlon? No?

643
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't athlon. It was like a blue chip illustrator

644
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: or one of.

645
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: The parade No.

646
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: I didn't make the parade team though, Oh gosh, what

647
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: was the name of it. Anyway, I'm on my visit

648
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: to Stanford and uh, Mosorysen was the guy who recruited

649
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: me and comes running out of his office like he

650
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: knew that I was there. I was there with my

651
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: brother on my visit and he's like, look, look, look, look,

652
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: and I'm like what He's like, they ranked you number one.

653
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: I'm like what And it was like number one player

654
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: in the country. I'm like, what the hell is this.

655
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so I to make it quick, like

656
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: I could have went anywhere, you know, whatever people throw around,

657
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: five star. The whole thing like went on these visits,

658
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: went to camp at Notre Dame. Holtz was still there,

659
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: but that staff was in flux, a lot of miscommunication.

660
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: Mac Brown's at North Carolina. You know, Nebraska was really good.

661
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: Tom Osborne was there. Best guy in our league the

662
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: year before went to Nebraska, Tony Ortiz So there was

663
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: that connection. Spurrier came to the high school Heisman thing,

664
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: which was a Tristate area team that I made through MSG.

665
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: That was something I'll never forget. Eddie George won it

666
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: that year and then they selected fifteen guys in the

667
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: area and Spurrier saw my highlight film was like hey,

668
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: He's like, you want to We're playing national championship, you

669
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: want to come. I'm like, what, like literally the Monday

670
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: morning after my visit to Stanford and I'm like I'm

671
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: like driving home and I'm like looking at flights to

672
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Arizona and like just had lunch with Tiger Woods at Stanford.

673
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: Like it was a complete, complete shit show. And to

674
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: be seventeen years old in that time, you know, you start,

675
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: you know, coaches could call once a week and you're

676
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: talking to all these coaches and you're building relationships, Hey,

677
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: how are you?

678
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: You know, how'd you play last week? How school going like?

679
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: And you start building relationships and then you got to

680
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: tell these guys no, And as a seventeen year old kid, like,

681
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: it was super super scary, and I remember just wanting

682
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: to get the list down because I wanted to be

683
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: done and decided before Christmas. And it was super frantic

684
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: scary and you know, not knowing like you know, we

685
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: see kids getting nil deals now and I just think

686
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: about like nil. I couldn't handle that, Like I couldn't

687
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: even figure out where I wanted to.

688
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: Go to school.

689
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was best of the best treatre royalties

690
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: on visits and ultimately decided to go to Stanford because

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: my birthday is January first. Grew up watching the Rose

692
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: Ball on my birthday my whole life, and there was

693
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: always a dream to play on my birthday and to

694
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: go to a school like CEE Stanford, like I still

695
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: put it up against any campus in the world and

696
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: to be able to get that education because I really,

697
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: you know, my dad passed.

698
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: Away when I was going to my junior year of

699
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: high school.

700
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: Wanted to go out and prove myself, like I got

701
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: some growing up to do hair and was able to

702
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: do that and ended up playing in the Rose Bawl

703
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: against Ron Day in Wisconsin on my twenty third birthday,

704
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: which was my final game, and then took an Interjet

705
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: internet startup job that summer in August and was broken

706
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: out of a job by Thanksgiving. So that was that

707
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: was a that was a treat and a lesson to

708
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: learn really quickly. And I mean I I all the

709
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: time now with kids in college, Like you got to

710
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 3: have a plan.

711
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: Man.

712
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: It's not the cool thing to do when you're in college,

713
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: but shit, like when people are are done helping you

714
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: pick classes and all that, like it's just you and

715
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: your whatever support system you got, and if you don't

716
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: have it or have a plan, that's the roughest transition

717
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: I think in a lifetime, because you're getting handed things.

718
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: I mean, as a as a scholarship football player, you're

719
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: getting handed things that you're so taken for granted and

720
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: then to be punched in the face.

721
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 4: You know. Living in Powell Out, we're a Menlo Park,

722
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: no check.

723
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: And I was never a guy that was like, yeah,

724
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: you know, speaking of betting with credit, Yeah, I got,

725
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: I got month, I got rent next month like I got.

726
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll never forget, like Monday took the

727
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: job in like labor day August twenty twenty. No, I

728
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: mean August two thousand and Monday before Thanksgiving, like call

729
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: my mom and like I'm out of a joht, Like

730
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: we got bought out and like it was done. Like

731
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: you never heard those stories of the internet. So like

732
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: I had guys that got in like late nineties, got

733
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: in with Google.

734
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: Uh who Yahoo? Like whoever?

735
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 3: Like off and running like set in five years after

736
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: being graduated, and I'm broke without a job. Uh, not

737
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: even four months out of college. So uh it was

738
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: pretty eye opening. But I wouldn't trade it in.

739
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

740
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: People ask me all the time, would you rather gone?

741
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: I could have went to any SEC school. Uh, but

742
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: the friends and things I was able to do at Stafford,

743
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 3: I'll never trade in for anything.

744
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember the name of the company?

745
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: I don't.

746
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: What were you? What were you doing?

747
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: Uh? It was some like internet sale.

748
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: I have no idea, just I didn't even know what

749
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: I was doing. It was just you know, a couple

750
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: of guys and who were like, hey, let's do this.

751
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know that era. It's interesting you say that.

752
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking before I came on about

753
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: colleges and like, I'm just going through this whole process

754
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: with my kid right now. Who's narrowing it down? It's

755
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: coming down to Maryland, Penn State, and Indiana was sort

756
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: of the third tier. And wherever we've gone, he's met

757
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: with the people who run the programs that he's interested in,

758
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: and every time we're done, he's like, he loves the

759
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: school he just met with. Yeah, just at Penn State.

760
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: But I think part of it is he feels badly

761
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: saying no to people who have been so nice to him,

762
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: about saying, hey, come here and this is what we

763
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: can do, and not like he's being recruited like an athlete.

764
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: It's a completely different thing. But when you're seventeen years old,

765
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I can see it. I can see how hard it

766
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: is if someone is being kind to you to say

767
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: no to them. It's brutal.

768
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've it's tough.

769
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I got three little girls and I'm looking

770
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: at kids. You know, I go to high school games

771
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: all the time, and in this area it's loaded. I

772
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: mean I watched the tournament and notice how many kids

773
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: are from the DMV.

774
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: Way, went and had lunch.

775
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: With a kid two weeks ago who's in college, journalism, communications,

776
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: the whole thing, and we're talking and I'm just you know,

777
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: the idea of how to get on air obviously comes up,

778
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: and like when I'm taught, when he asked me a question,

779
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: He's looking at me in the eye and I'm looking

780
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: at him asking him, like he's not even making eye

781
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: content him, Like.

782
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: Dude, you got it.

783
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: This has got to change, Like put the phone down,

784
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: and like there's there's nothing more important still in my

785
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: like than face to face conversations, like even if it

786
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: is on a zoom, like we're looking at each o.

787
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: You know, you know, expressions, the whole thing. Uh So,

788
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: it's it's it's really really hard. I think it's a

789
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: lot because I hate to say it, but I go

790
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: back to COVID with kids now, like you don't know

791
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: what they were going through.

792
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 4: I mean nobody was.

793
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, somebody posted the other day, you know,

794
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: five years ago today we were told to stand six

795
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: feet apart, a kind of which those times came back

796
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: for a couple.

797
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: Of minutes a day, you know.

798
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: So it's it's there's it's it's been such a whirlwind

799
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: and everybody was a different age just five years ago

800
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: and then to come out of it, it is pretty

801
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: fascinating to see how people have adapted and changed. And

802
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: I just I'm constantly you know with my kids, like

803
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: when you're talking to me, look me in the eye.

804
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: And I feel like the phones and social media and

805
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: people just swiping left and right and scrolling up and down,

806
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: it's all we do where it takes away from face

807
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: to face conversations and we need more of that. And

808
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: to get to your point about the seventeen year olds

809
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: making the college decisions, it's big boys stuff. Man, you

810
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: got it you and there's there's no no other way.

811
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: Than than looking in the eye. Uh.

812
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: And I still say brushing your teeth every day in

813
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: the morning, like, look at yourself in the mirror. You're

814
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: happy with what you got because that's the that's how

815
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: you start your day. And yeah, it's a lot, but

816
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: as long as you take them on uh face first,

817
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: I say all the time, you're gonna be better off

818
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: because it's one giant step you don't realize you're taking,

819
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: but it's only to help you as you know, we

820
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: get older and you got to make more decisions. You

821
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: learn a lot about yourself in those times, and it's

822
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: part of growing up.

823
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: I so it's it's so funny because, uh, you say,

824
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it's a big boy decision. I'm driving home with him

825
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: yesterday from State College and I so want to I

826
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: said to him, I'm not going to say anything. This

827
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: has to be your decision. I would love to be

828
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: making the decision for him right now. I would love

829
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: to tell him exactly what to do and exactly why

830
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: he should do it, and exactly one of the most

831
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: important reasons to do exactly what I think he should do.

832
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I can't say a fucking word, and it's fucking driving

833
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: me nuts, because simon, you know, I want to tell

834
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: people what to do.

835
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah.

836
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 5: You gotta let him make his own path, though, and

837
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 5: you know, make the right and wrong decisions. And like

838
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: you just said, whenever school he chooses, you know the deal, Chett,

839
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 5: he might hit you up in a year. And like,

840
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 5: I fucking hate this place. I want to come home.

841
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 5: I want to come back to a different school. And

842
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 5: that's just the way it is with college. And you know,

843
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: I know plenty of people that you know, I had

844
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 5: a weird run where like people I knew were graduating,

845
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 5: we went through that major recession eight and nine, and

846
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 5: you know, talking to those people that basically went through

847
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: the shit, they're way off better now than people that

848
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 5: graduated in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen that never experienced that low,

849
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 5: that survival. You know, I do think it's weird to

850
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: even talk about, but I do think a big part

851
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: of life is failing. Like how you deal with failure

852
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: really is all it is. Like I know plenty of

853
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: guys who failed kind of well was me, and gave

854
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: up in life and they kind of tried to wall

855
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 5: the rest of your life. I know other guys who

856
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: failed and have gone on to do incredible things because

857
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 5: they pushed through adversity.

858
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Chad.

859
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 5: It's it's a tough decision when he's making right now,

860
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 5: but it's like one of a thousand tough decisions he's

861
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 5: about to make going forward. And that's the craziest part.

862
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: Once you got out of high school, it's like you're

863
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: done with the kid bullshit.

864
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: Man.

865
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: Every decision you make is and made decision on your

866
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: life going forward, So that that's tough.

867
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Look, Stanford went from playing in the Rose Bowl to

868
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: being out of work within a year and now he's

869
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: on college game day, right, Like that is a freaking journey, Stanford.

870
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: When you're on game day, everyone seems to just stop

871
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: when Nick Saban is talking. Like I thought he was

872
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: a revelation on game day and the McAfee Sabin interplay

873
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: is amazing. But what is it like with Saban on

874
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: set in production meetings? Like what do you glean when

875
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: you're listening to him talk, because he's he captures something

876
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: that is really sort of profound. Whenever he's talking about

877
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: college football.

878
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of pieces.

879
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: First thing is experienced, like he's experienced so much and failing.

880
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: He talks about his failures all the time and how

881
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: he responded to him in his support system. But he's

882
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: just so smart man god like because he's you know,

883
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: whether it's whether it's recruiting the best players in the

884
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: country or being in the biggest situations of a national

885
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: championship game. Uh, and the way he goes about things

886
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: like everything's just thought out and and he doesn't he

887
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: doesn't jump the gun on anything.

888
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

889
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: He always has something in his pocket to give you.

890
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: And you know this year, like first time I think

891
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: we're together was was Ireland, and you know he's you know,

892
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: milling around and he's doing his thing and you know

893
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: he's got the computer going and you know he's got

894
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: the glasses and you know it's like, hey, you know, coach,

895
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm you know whatever, and I'm here whatever you need.

896
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's a process of you know,

897
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: it's fucking Nick Saban man. Like he's got an army

898
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: of ways he does things, and you know he's got

899
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: a he's got a circle that's pretty pretty strong, and

900
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: not anybody who's just jumping in that circle.

901
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 4: So there's a sense of trust.

902
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: Uh, there's calls that you're on as far as the

903
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: show where hey, I'm bringing this to the table.

904
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: But the one thing.

905
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: That was just eye open and I found myself like

906
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: anytime he talks, it's just it's silent, whether we're in

907
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: the conference room, whether we're on a zoom, and I'm

908
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: just constantly just taking notes, uh, writing everything down because again,

909
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: it's so thought out, it's so smart, and it's super

910
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: interesting and his stories are.

911
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: Just out of this world.

912
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: He had us to his house when we went to

913
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: game day in Tuscaloosa. We just sat around dinner table

914
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: and he just told story like it was amazing, from

915
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: his his rise and coaching to try and recruit players

916
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: to losing players best players he lost, like just incredible.

917
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: And then for him to come on the air and

918
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: and and we had plenty of back and forth where

919
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: we really had fun.

920
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 4: And and then I was like, you know, you.

921
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: Talk to an older person, You're like, are they really

922
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: listening to me? And then you know, we had the

923
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: exchange at Cow where I was talking about I dated

924
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: a girl from cal and that literally was from a

925
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: five minute conversation in the middle of the Cow hotel

926
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: the night before when he was like, you ever come

927
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: over here and hang out when you're at Stanford. I

928
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, my girlfriend actually here. I was here

929
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: a lot. And from that he took it the next

930
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: morning when I took my shot at the Cow fans

931
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: and we have great relationship. We sat next so like

932
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: that playoff thing was nuts, Like we didn't notre name

933
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: Friday night, and we were at Columbus the next morning

934
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: for game day.

935
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 4: Then we did Orange Bowl.

936
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: They flew us to the Cotton Bowl and I'm on

937
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: a private jet sitting next to the next sabe and

938
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: watching the end of the Orange Bowl and I'm like,

939
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: somebody please take a picture of this, and like having

940
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: coffee with the next morning, getting ready for the Combosh.

941
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, we'll never forget that night at for

942
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: as long as we live.

943
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: Watching like Nixon losing his mind on quarterback play, like

944
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: the game's getting tight, throwing the ball away, you're hold

945
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: on the ball too long, Like him being a fan

946
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: watching the game's just a real person on the there too,

947
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: which you never saw, you know, at the press conferences,

948
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: and him going off on his players and the tangents

949
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: on link Kiffen when he was assistant coach, like it's

950
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: been really really cool, and he's just an unbelievable, unbelievable person.

951
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: People watching game day, people watching Sports Center with you

952
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: and Scott. Those will never be the things. The on

953
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: air things are never the things that you're going to

954
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: remember from any of your highlights. It's always going to

955
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: be the shit that happens behind the scenes out of

956
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: all of it, is going to be private jet watching

957
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: the end of an Orange Bowl.

958
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: That was like the extreme yep.

959
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: That's also what makes this business so much fun is

960
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: like these moments that you capture that are completely off camera.

961
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

962
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

963
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: And and going back to that point Chad about like

964
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: being part of the process and Simon talking about these

965
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: decisions and how they get bigger and bigger, Like, you know,

966
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't have a job, and I'm trying to get

967
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 3: like figured out I had a communications degree. Hey, let's

968
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: try and pursue this. And like two weeks in to

969
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: get a part time job as a production assistant at

970
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 3: ESPN Radio. I'm like, all right, well, I'm not gonna

971
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: make a lot of money, but you know what, when

972
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: I hear you know, get get a Friday night or

973
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: Saturday night, we're out with the guys and the boys

974
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: and we're b yessing and there bitching about having to

975
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, go back to cutting lawns and everything. Like

976
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: I was super fired up to go to work every

977
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: single day, Like I'm watching games and cutting highlights and

978
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, trying to get put on one of the

979
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: regular shows, uh, to bring content to that. Like I

980
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: could care less about what I was making, but I

981
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: was fired up to go to work every single day.

982
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: And that's another choice you make, Like you want to

983
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: be happy, and you know there's different you know, money's

984
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 3: not everything all the time. But like I said, looking

985
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: in that mayor brush your teeth every morning. If you're

986
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: happy with that person, go for it. And if you're not,

987
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: you got to do something about it. But that's things

988
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: and decisions you got to make.

989
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: How do you manage now, Simon and I did with

990
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: this all the time sports betting content from the time

991
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: you and I started doing it, you know, two thousand

992
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: and eleven twelve thirteen, when we were doing the shows together.

993
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: I was coming on with you and Scott and Ryan too.

994
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Now has evolved so aggressively that your front and center

995
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: with so much of it, and some of the highest

996
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: profile shows on television forget about just sports television, but

997
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: like Game Day and Sports Center with SVP, like those

998
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: are massive shows. Right. How do you now manage people

999
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: coming after you for sports betting when you're wrong? How

1000
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: has that changed? How has the conversation changed as all

1001
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: of this has evolved?

1002
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 4: Huh? Well, no one, no one.

1003
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: No one says thank you when you win or congrats

1004
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: like no, like no, it's silence. It's silence. And it

1005
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: actually helped me last year. I think I was under

1006
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: like eight or ten under five hundred last year on

1007
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: game day. And it took me like two weeks where

1008
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: I was like, Uh, this social media thing, you can

1009
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: have it, Like I'm and my rule number one is

1010
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: like now we're gonna be in March madness. Like the

1011
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: last thing I'm doing while these games are going on

1012
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: is going on social media. Like I cannot, like just

1013
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: to grown in negativity a tweet that somebody sends that

1014
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: they're never ever gonna say to your face in person. Never,

1015
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 3: They'll never, they'll never do it, but they'll hide behind

1016
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 3: their screen name and write whatever.

1017
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 4: They want to you. So that actually helped.

1018
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: Me because I was I mean, I talked to plenty

1019
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: of people and they live by it like they do it.

1020
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean I'm on uh set with other Sports Center

1021
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: shows and and like we go to break at boom,

1022
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: they're checking their phone to see what people are saying

1023
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: about what they just said about their team or their

1024
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: player or their coach whatever. Like I don't, I don't

1025
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: need that because guys do it when they wake up

1026
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: in the morning and they check and you're on TV.

1027
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: No one's saying no, no one's saying anything good.

1028
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: They're not.

1029
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: They're just they're picking apart what you're saying. And I

1030
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: think that totally messages with people's heads because they read

1031
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: it and and they act like that those aren't the

1032
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: only people watching the show, you know what I mean,

1033
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: Like we're you know TV. There's still plenty of people

1034
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 3: that are watching the TV and aren't on social media.

1035
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: So having a bad year picking games actually was the

1036
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: best thing because it made me not go on it, Like,

1037
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: it made me focus more on watching tape and watching

1038
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: games and reading, which I think is still a huge part.

1039
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm still a guy that prints out NCAA tournament capsules

1040
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: on every team, reads those and goes through with a highlighter.

1041
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: Like That's what I'm doing my time. I'm not going

1042
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: on and seeing what somebody's saying or listening to this breakdown.

1043
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: Like I got my own way of going about things.

1044
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: It's been super successful and I'm gonna stick to it.

1045
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: But this day and age, it's really really hard for

1046
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: people to put their phones down.

1047
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 4: Man.

1048
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: And like I said, the gambling, Twitter, gambling, social media,

1049
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: there's never congratulations on there, So don't don't do it

1050
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: because you think you're gonna get that. It's just like

1051
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 3: starting the biggest sports media when you think you're gonna

1052
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: make money, because you're not gonna You're.

1053
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 4: Not gonna do that.

1054
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: So like again, it's been a blessing in disguise. But

1055
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: the social media thing, I mean, you guys deal with

1056
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: it constantly. It's it's just thankfleul ultimate thankless job because

1057
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: you know we'll get in March madness and it's like,

1058
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: all right, I picked the upset and it's like, okay,

1059
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: as soon as I picked the upset, the team that

1060
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm picking again Steph fan base thinks their team sucks

1061
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: and like a lot of times I'll have had that team,

1062
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: like the last three games, it's like, where were you

1063
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: last three games when we just hit we just hit

1064
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: three in a row on your team. I just don't

1065
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: like the matchup. I'm sorry, I don't. I don't hate

1066
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: your team. And then to go to all these colleges

1067
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: with game day and get the interactions with people is

1068
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: just hilarious because then it's like, oh, you know, really

1069
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: enjoy your work this and it's like, oh, you know,

1070
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: face to face conversations are are pretty real and there

1071
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: is something so it's it's it's a different world that

1072
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: like as you said, Chad than when we started, and

1073
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: I just say be careful like it not not don't

1074
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: don't go, Scott says all the time. Twitter is not

1075
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 3: the place to go for positive feedback. It's pretty simple

1076
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: and you know, use it, use it as you do,

1077
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: and use it to your advantage because there are some

1078
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: really good things on there and connected with people they

1079
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: haven't seen a while or are checking out or reading

1080
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: an article.

1081
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: There's plenty of good stuff.

1082
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: You can come here for positive feedback, Stanford Simon and

1083
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I will always give it to you. Thanks for coming

1084
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: on the show. Brother. As a reminder, the Favorites podcast

1085
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: is presented by Bet three six five and is now

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