Speaker 1: Hey, I do part two.
Speaker 2: It's your celebrity mentor, Cheryl Burke, and I'm joined by
Speaker 2: our resident favorite real life single.
Speaker 1: Gal, Louise. Hey, Louise, nice to meet you.
Speaker 3: Hi, nice to meet you. Still single, Cheryl, so happy
Speaker 3: to still have that.
Speaker 2: Title single unhappy? Hey, even though it's the beginning of
Speaker 2: the year. There is a lot happening, obviously in the
Speaker 2: celebrity divorce space, So let's dive into this. Tell me
Speaker 2: about yourself first, because I feel we are doing like
Speaker 2: headlines without really knowing you well.
Speaker 3: I think the point here is is nobody's immune from divorce, right, so.
Speaker 4: I too have divorced you too, you said nine years.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like a really popular.
Speaker 3: Club, and you know, even celebrities you know, experience it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the things I always
Speaker 3: pay attention to, is no matter how beautiful, how amazing
Speaker 3: their life is, whether it's the trips that this that like,
Speaker 3: they are normal people who go home and deal with
Speaker 3: things that don't make them happy, or people do bad
Speaker 3: things to them. And I just think it's a universal theme.
Speaker 3: Relationships are challenging.
Speaker 2: Especially in the public eye, I think, because not only
Speaker 2: are you having to deal with the person you're involved with,
Speaker 2: but then you're dealing with everything else, the noise around you.
Speaker 1: So it is it is challenging.
Speaker 2: Though I'm not Nicole Kidman or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: I was kind of in a public.
Speaker 1: Divorce and that was very That was hard for me.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I Ca'm not going to speak for my ex husband,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it wasn't easy for him either. And
Speaker 2: you know, people are still talking about it and it's
Speaker 2: been over three years, and it's like it's so it
Speaker 2: just people like to focus I think, more on drama
Speaker 2: than the actual good parts.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I think it's salacious stuff, and I think it's interesting
Speaker 3: for people, and it's, you know, no different than somebody
Speaker 3: in your group of friends that gets caught, you know,
Speaker 3: sleeping with a pickle ball coach and all the book
Speaker 3: clubs and everyone talked about it.
Speaker 4: It's just people like to see people fall apart.
Speaker 2: All apart, Yeah, and then when they finally come out
Speaker 2: of it, they just like to tear them apart still,
Speaker 2: like it doesn't it just but that says more about
Speaker 2: the person tearing that person apart than it does.
Speaker 3: About I always have taught my children that the person
Speaker 3: who talks badly about somebody looks bad, not the one
Speaker 3: who's being talked about.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because they're triggered.
Speaker 2: And obviously whatever it is that's triggering them has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with you, And it's really none of our
Speaker 2: business what these people say about us, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's easier said than done, but it really is obviously
Speaker 2: a trigger for that person, whatever it may be, whether
Speaker 2: they are wanting to be like you or there's they
Speaker 2: don't understand how you were able to come out of
Speaker 2: such darkness, you know, to where you are today, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's where they still are.
Speaker 1: You just never know.
Speaker 3: People a lot of times don't root for people, sadly.
Speaker 1: Especially women.
Speaker 2: Speaking of divorce, let's talk about Amy Schumer files for
Speaker 2: divorce from her husband, Chris Fisher after over seven years
Speaker 2: of marriage.
Speaker 1: Wow, have did you hear about this?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 3: And they have a little one, which is you know,
Speaker 3: just tough. Yeah, so that makes it hard when there's children.
Speaker 2: I guess she just filed for divorce on Tuesday, January sixth,
Speaker 2: and basically it was I guess a shock to some people,
Speaker 2: but within their inner circle, not so much. But it
Speaker 2: seems like it's amicable for the most part. She said
Speaker 2: that Chris and I have made the difficult decision to
Speaker 2: end our marriage after seven years. We love each other
Speaker 2: very much and will continue to focus on raising our son.
Speaker 2: We would appreciate people respecting our privacy at this time.
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone just says the same line every
Speaker 2: time they announced the divorce. But it is true, and
Speaker 2: no one's going to respect your privacy unfortunately. But I
Speaker 2: guess the source says it's close, it's a cohesive split,
Speaker 2: and they've just been finalizing a few things.
Speaker 3: Remember that phrase, the Gwyneth and the Chris. What is
Speaker 3: that conscious uncoupling? Yeah, of all the ones that we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about, this one actually does feel tonally
Speaker 3: like the one that might be the most benign and friendly.
Speaker 2: Maybe, well, what does that mean? Like, does that mean
Speaker 2: that they just both lost interest? Or like, what does
Speaker 2: that mean?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people just over time they're just not
Speaker 3: aligned anymore, or they become more like friends, and maybe
Speaker 3: the passion goes away or one grows in a different
Speaker 3: direction than the other.
Speaker 4: But it's not like.
Speaker 3: Something bad happened, like there was infidelity or a massive
Speaker 3: drag addiction.
Speaker 4: It's just like our time, our chapter is done. We
Speaker 4: share this child. We're always going to be a part
Speaker 4: of each other's lives.
Speaker 3: But I feel like this is the most vanilla of
Speaker 3: the ones that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: I hope, So I hope that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just never know, right like, because something
Speaker 2: could trigger somebody, like if what if someone starts dating
Speaker 2: before that person, Like, it can get real ugly really fast.
Speaker 2: When you say, when you say that, maybe the passion
Speaker 2: dies down. See for me, it's kind of like what
Speaker 2: is like, what do you mean by the passion? Because
Speaker 2: it's like the honeymoon phase. Is the honeymoon phase we
Speaker 2: all go through. We all love that, right Like it's
Speaker 2: always the fun and we all do relationship and it
Speaker 2: does no, but it does, but it does. And it's
Speaker 2: then then that's when the dirty work comes in. And
Speaker 2: it's like, are you willing to put the dirty work in?
Speaker 2: Because if you're not, there is no uh for sure,
Speaker 2: your passion is never going to come back because you
Speaker 2: have to like reintroduce yourself to each other. Look, you guys,
Speaker 2: all we all as individuals, we evolve as humans, and
Speaker 2: it just has to it takes work.
Speaker 4: I almost think it's more than that because I.
Speaker 3: Think it's so important that the two people and the
Speaker 3: couple are actually best friends, right because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you know, the butterflies go away, things
Speaker 3: change in the relationship. But if you're still friends and
Speaker 3: you still can laugh, then you have the you could
Speaker 3: potentially go the long haul.
Speaker 4: I think for me, my ex husband and I were
Speaker 4: just not best friends.
Speaker 2: Do you mean that there was no communication, because like,
Speaker 2: what is best friends? Like what does that entail? Right?
Speaker 1: In entail's honesty, transparency.
Speaker 4: It's your vault.
Speaker 3: I think it's the person that you're comfortable, you know,
Speaker 3: being next to on a park bench looking at the
Speaker 3: birds quietly. But it's also the person that you're laughing
Speaker 3: hysterically with and excited to see when you come home.
Speaker 3: But what when two people basically are living under the
Speaker 3: same roof and there's zero communication, connectivity, interest, and you're
Speaker 3: just coexisting like roommates like roommates, and then it's done.
Speaker 3: But the interesting thing is when you just meet somebody
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like the falling in love.
Speaker 4: Which is the lush, right, But.
Speaker 3: Then loving somebody is totally different, right, And you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I'm in my mid fifties,
Speaker 3: and I find that I'm trying really hard when I
Speaker 3: go on a date to basically stick it out, to
Speaker 3: go out a few more times if I don't have
Speaker 3: the butterflies. Because the truth is I used to sit
Speaker 3: on a date and be like at point A and.
Speaker 4: Be like, oh, is this my person? Could I see
Speaker 4: my life for them?
Speaker 3: Now what I do is I sit there and say
Speaker 3: is this person interesting enough to talk to? Does he
Speaker 3: have right good moral compass that I opened going on
Speaker 3: a second time and then a third time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's smart.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the whole butterfly thing, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's very high school maybe in a way.
Speaker 2: But it's almost like those those movies that we see
Speaker 2: are so toxic, those love stories, those rom coms, freaking
Speaker 2: what's it called the Notebook? Like, first of all, there's
Speaker 2: nothing romantic about a guy stalking you, Like does he
Speaker 2: straight up stock? Ryan Gosling is stalking her? And we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we want someone to do that with us.
Speaker 1: It's like, what this is like the wrong message?
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: But sometimes though you say to yourself like, well, am
Speaker 3: I just fitting a square peg into a round hole.
Speaker 4: Like it's so confusing.
Speaker 1: Now, is it confusing? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm all confused on it.
Speaker 2: I think we think, I think socially right, there's so
Speaker 2: many so societal expectations when it comes to Like, for me,
Speaker 2: I'm forty one, and you know, people are like, aren't
Speaker 2: you so lonely? I'm like, no, I'm actually loving my
Speaker 2: life living alone, and I enjoy it almost too much.
Speaker 1: I don't have drama, you know.
Speaker 2: I have had an interesting past of relationships where it
Speaker 2: just followed the same toxic pattern that.
Speaker 1: I was just not a great picker.
Speaker 2: I think that people expect someone like any woman in
Speaker 2: their forties to have already have had children that have
Speaker 2: been married, and like, then if not, then oh my god,
Speaker 2: she's not well there's something wrong with her, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's so confusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But at the same time, also it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of like, I don't know about you, but I would
Speaker 3: say eighty percent of my closest friends are all divorced
Speaker 3: or never been married, and we're in our mid fifties.
Speaker 4: So I think that the difference.
Speaker 2: Now, are you happy being single or do you feel
Speaker 2: like you need to have somebody in your life it's interesting.
Speaker 3: So I don't need to have somebody in my life
Speaker 3: because I have, you know, a lot of friends. I
Speaker 3: have a big career, I have a lot in my
Speaker 3: in my day that's fulfilling. I'm also very happy to
Speaker 3: be home reading a book or going on a walk.
Speaker 4: So unless it speaks to me, I don't.
Speaker 3: Need my bills paid, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: unless it like speaks to me in my heart, so
Speaker 3: I don't need it. Would I like somebody.
Speaker 1: That you a companion?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that I really like, right, because I go
Speaker 3: out with a lot of people that's just not totally right.
Speaker 3: And then you throw on a person's attachment wounds and
Speaker 3: then the it comes and then there it's you get
Speaker 3: it right. It's kind of like anxious attachment avoidant attachment.
Speaker 2: Actually, if I was into girls, then I would totally
Speaker 2: be attracted to.
Speaker 3: Well, anxious people love me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, and here's what happens. The more
Speaker 3: they come at me, the more I feel like this,
Speaker 3: and the more I feel like this, the more they
Speaker 3: come at me, and it's having me, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Almost inevitable that anxious and anxious and what are you
Speaker 2: avoidant always marry each other always. It's just unless you're
Speaker 2: secure attachment, which is very rare, especially in the Los
Speaker 2: Angeles area.
Speaker 3: I would assume I don't know many people secure attachment
Speaker 3: because I think we all have stuff in our cuff
Speaker 3: or in our cup as life goes on, and I
Speaker 3: think ultimately people just trigger each other differently, and it's
Speaker 3: really that do our wounds line up and exactly?
Speaker 2: And also you can still change your attachment if you
Speaker 2: want to, just saying we're not like stuck to this
Speaker 2: one attachment to the rest of our lives, Okay. Nicole
Speaker 2: Kidman and Keith Urban finalized divorce. Settlement details revealed so
Speaker 2: three months after Nicole filed for divorce from Keith, the
Speaker 2: former couple of finalized the breakup in documents obtained by
Speaker 2: a News January sixth, Come what may, Nicole and Keith
Speaker 2: will always be there for each other till the end
Speaker 2: of time. Three months after the mullin Ridge actress filed
Speaker 2: to legally end her nineteen year marriage to the Somebody
Speaker 2: Like You singer, the former couples officially finalized their divorce
Speaker 2: according to legal documents, so basically all in all, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think this is as amical as it may sound,
Speaker 2: or I would think he's definitely moved on, right, I
Speaker 2: mean from what I saw. Again, I don't don't believe
Speaker 2: everything you read. I don't you know, I am, I
Speaker 2: know that, but there, I think it's it happened quickly
Speaker 2: for us, not necessarily. We don't know what happened in
Speaker 2: their world. She seemed very much in love with him.
Speaker 4: It feels like either side.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was her decision put it that way.
Speaker 3: And her daughters were they mad too about something I
Speaker 3: had read.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're also grown enough.
Speaker 2: They're seventeen and fourteen, Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret Right,
Speaker 2: they're old enough to know what the hell's going on.
Speaker 2: And I come from a divorce family. My parents got
Speaker 2: divorce when I was too. I think it's so much
Speaker 2: easier when you're not as you know, you're not able
Speaker 2: to really put two and two together at that moment
Speaker 2: than to be teenagers going through and seeing your parents.
Speaker 1: I would only.
Speaker 4: Assume it was eighteen. It was awful. I remember all
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very very Yeah. I mean, my first memory
Speaker 2: I remember was my dad with another woman at two
Speaker 2: years old. But again I wouldn't I don't know if
Speaker 2: it would have affected me. I think it would have
Speaker 2: affected me more if I was older. Maybe I don't
Speaker 2: know either way.
Speaker 3: And it's also hard when you worry about a parent
Speaker 3: and not the other one. And so what I've read
Speaker 3: with this and again not everything is true. But whether
Speaker 3: it's smoke, maybe there's fire in this case, I don't
Speaker 3: know in this one because that girl and the band
Speaker 3: or the singer, and then you see this thing with
Speaker 3: the daughters Matt, I don't know, seems something there. I
Speaker 3: don't think this is as calm and friendly as the
Speaker 3: first one.
Speaker 1: As Amy Schumer, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: This one's a little more chocolate than vanilla.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they're going to be like
Speaker 2: the next headline with Kyle and you know, Maricio spending
Speaker 2: Christmases together and Holidays together. You know, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: they're ever going to get there as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think I don't know from what
Speaker 2: I saw outsider Big Time. Don't know them personally, but
Speaker 2: like it seemed to me that Nicole was head over
Speaker 2: heels even was willing to deal with his alcoholism, you know,
Speaker 2: and I get I'm an addict and that if you
Speaker 2: let it take over, and if you don't, you know,
Speaker 2: want to do the steps to be sober and get better,
Speaker 2: it will take you there.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's dark, but.
Speaker 3: Sounds like he was there supporting him and and very devoted.
Speaker 2: And it's hard, very sad. It's really sad, and it's
Speaker 2: sad for the K's. What do you think of this
Speaker 2: settlement though? In particular, I.
Speaker 3: Guess well, I feel like we all found out about
Speaker 3: it later. I think it had probably been going on
Speaker 3: for a while, because it just seems like it's not
Speaker 3: stamp pretty quickly. I mean, I think mine took six
Speaker 3: months right before that stamp came. I don't know, what
Speaker 3: do you mean, stamp like the divorce settlement stamp like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mine took six months at least.
Speaker 4: Right, But this one I feel like was quicker.
Speaker 1: For some reason.
Speaker 2: So the document states each party indicates that he or
Speaker 2: she does not want to proceed with formal discovery, including
Speaker 2: completing interrogations, in requests for production of documents or discovery
Speaker 2: depositions that are designed to discover assets and debts.
Speaker 1: So they are going to split everything. I guess is
Speaker 1: that what it is.
Speaker 4: I think that they just don't want to go through
Speaker 4: the whole thing with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with having all their books open and all the
Speaker 3: skeletons taken out of the closet.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a prenapp obviously because.
Speaker 3: They settled or they settled quietly something just to have
Speaker 3: stuff not come out in the public.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because when you have a prenup, I
Speaker 2: mean I had a prenup. Everything was quite simple. There
Speaker 2: was really there was no I mean there was nothing.
Speaker 2: It was written prior to our marriage, right like what
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it was, It's like, it was quite
Speaker 2: None of this was like I didn't even.
Speaker 3: Feel like maybe there was an understanding like what's hers
Speaker 3: is hers, what's his is his? And so therefore it
Speaker 3: was easy to buifurkid or whatever the word is on
Speaker 3: that front. But they had to have some sort of
Speaker 3: agreement because they were both uber successful when they met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I don't think yeah exactly, and they're
Speaker 2: both going to be fine without each other. They both
Speaker 2: can support their own lives and the children's lives.
Speaker 1: I would assume comfortably. We would think, now you never know,
Speaker 1: you never know. We don't know.
Speaker 4: That one was a surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was big time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was definitely surprised.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he was an alcoholic. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that was kept quiet. I know. That's a
Speaker 1: scary part. That's scary.
Speaker 2: And I have to say, when I was drinking, no
Speaker 2: one knew either because I was functioning.
Speaker 1: So it is scary.
Speaker 4: And she probably kept it really quiet too.
Speaker 3: And so I just like a family, a family secret
Speaker 3: or just in our circle.
Speaker 2: And imagine like just the feelings of shame and guilt
Speaker 2: and god, it's like dark, it's dark.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: But sad for those girls because at fourteen and seventeen,
Speaker 3: they're still in the house, but yet they want to
Speaker 3: live their life, meaning they're starting probably with you know,
Speaker 3: all the teen girls stuff, and also to worry about
Speaker 3: their whole family foundation, fowing magazines, worrying about.
Speaker 4: Their mom or dad maybe fall I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it's a lot for girl. I mean, to deal
Speaker 1: with a stepmom.
Speaker 4: Oh, sounds like you had a few of those.
Speaker 2: No, I had not mom, No, I mean technic my
Speaker 2: dad was This is a long, long story. Short, he
Speaker 2: followed his past pussy and went to Thailand open strip clubs.
Speaker 2: He was a very successful lawyer in the bar area,
Speaker 2: and so I had a bunch of stepmoms probably, but
Speaker 2: we won't go there.
Speaker 1: Rest and pacey. Then okay, got it.
Speaker 4: You turned out. That's all good.
Speaker 2: So thanks therapy though for the rest of my life,
Speaker 2: and I'm proud of it. Kyle Richards and estranged husband
Speaker 2: Mauricio Umansky or Umanski stand after spending holidays together. So
Speaker 2: basically they spent it sounds like Christmas and New Year's together.
Speaker 2: They seemed very lovey dovey when they went to what's
Speaker 2: her name's Uh there some party in Aspen. Hey, Hudson,
Speaker 2: the Hudson's Party. Yes, and Aspen. They were all over
Speaker 2: each other supposedly, but supposedly the people in there inner
Speaker 2: circles say, there's no chance that they're going to reconcile.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts with this?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, Like I always kind of liked them together, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I kind of.
Speaker 2: Losing the passion. I'm pretty sure that's what happened with them.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I kind of don't think so
Speaker 4: I'll still feel an energy sometimes when I look at
Speaker 4: them together, and they I kind of feel.
Speaker 3: Like if any of the couples were talking about could
Speaker 3: have a potential reconciliation, it would be them, because I
Speaker 3: think they were happy for a long time or so
Speaker 3: it looked, and they were married a long time.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I do.
Speaker 3: I have seen couples get divorced and then I have
Speaker 3: friends that literally got divorced and are dating again, like.
Speaker 1: They're dating their ex husband. Yes, I was, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so crazy.
Speaker 3: So I actually think that's I don't know, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a function of like, Okay, we've
Speaker 3: been out there, we've seen what else is out there?
Speaker 4: Like the devil I.
Speaker 3: Know was better than the devil I didn't know, and
Speaker 3: we still the good things that were in a relationship
Speaker 3: still exist, right, and we have this life together.
Speaker 4: So then why not do it again?
Speaker 3: Or maybe they've been alone for so long that like
Speaker 3: they do want a companion or something.
Speaker 1: He has not been alone.
Speaker 4: No, I know him.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying in general, the people that I've seen, oh,
Speaker 3: you know that get back together. I don't know, No,
Speaker 3: he I mean.
Speaker 2: I think I think, honestly, you're right, though, when it
Speaker 2: comes to when you you know, you never know what
Speaker 2: you have until you actually lose that person. And sometimes
Speaker 2: you just need a little space to bring the heat back.
Speaker 2: It's just the way it is, you know, some space
Speaker 2: and grace and maybe dating again is what makes them,
Speaker 2: you know, have that spark. But let's just commend them
Speaker 2: for this is talk about like an actual divorce in
Speaker 2: front of their kids, where everything's amicable. They never talked
Speaker 2: bad about each other, especially you know, for him when
Speaker 2: he kind of rose to fame when he did.
Speaker 4: Especially divorced. Yet I think they're just separated.
Speaker 2: No, they're just I think they still live together right
Speaker 2: under the same roof. I believe that's what I read.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. There's no way that's true.
Speaker 3: Maybe they do that nesting thing. I think, is there
Speaker 3: one or two kids at home?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a reason why they're not divorced.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's just ugly. It would get kind
Speaker 2: of complicated.
Speaker 3: I think some people at this point they figure over
Speaker 3: with the money situation and the kind of unraveling of
Speaker 3: the estate, like why not still legally stay married? But
Speaker 3: you know, I need separate lives I have seen it
Speaker 3: before with tons of my friends that they just don't
Speaker 3: break up the estate. They still have one shared account,
Speaker 3: they file joint tax return and they just live separate lives.
Speaker 4: But they're more and it works.
Speaker 2: My mother kept my father's last name still and she remarried,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think she created a business.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the Ratio and Kyle, they
Speaker 2: had no money when they started, when they were together,
Speaker 2: and now.
Speaker 4: They don't have They probably don't have a prenap because
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 1: Age, yeah, what are they protecting?
Speaker 4: But you know what's really.
Speaker 3: Interesting what I'm hearing now is that a lot of
Speaker 3: parents are having their children now sign prenaps even when
Speaker 3: there's no money and no careers.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of their parents say that again.
Speaker 3: So the theme right now now and so I have
Speaker 3: children that are in their mid mid upper twenties, and
Speaker 3: the theme now for all of these kids is when
Speaker 3: they're getting married, they're signing prenups even though there's no
Speaker 3: money yet.
Speaker 4: It's an anticipation of it.
Speaker 3: So god forbid the marriage goes south, they already have
Speaker 3: a deal in place.
Speaker 4: Isn't that smart?
Speaker 1: So smart. I thought that for sure.
Speaker 2: This next generation too, they just didn't believe in marriage
Speaker 2: for the most part. So I was like, God, you guys, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a millennial, so like I think, you know, we
Speaker 2: got kind of stuck in the trauma of our generational
Speaker 2: job of our parents.
Speaker 3: The marriage thing is interesting though for my general I
Speaker 3: don't know. Am I I think maybe? Am I a
Speaker 3: different generation?
Speaker 1: Can you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I mean, what hell do you mid fifties? I think
Speaker 4: I'm a different.
Speaker 2: Generation maybe, And if you're not, then yeah, oh I'm jenax,
Speaker 2: Oh you're.
Speaker 4: I just look up.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting because I get asked this question a
Speaker 3: lot is would you ever get remarried again? And when
Speaker 3: I first got divorced, I was like, no, why would.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to share money at kids. I'm just
Speaker 4: going to do my thing.
Speaker 3: But we could date, have a companionac to wear it
Speaker 3: ring like a But totally I've gotten older and as
Speaker 3: I think I would get remarried now more for the
Speaker 3: concept of somebody being able to pull the plug on me.
Speaker 4: God forbid, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Can't you have your parents do that? Or your kids? Sorry,
Speaker 1: your kids.
Speaker 4: That's a hard thing for a kid to do. I
Speaker 4: don't know totally.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying my black and white, it's just.
Speaker 1: A contract, right, like it's a contract.
Speaker 2: I mean you can also do your estate plan as well,
Speaker 2: and you can make those decisions that way.
Speaker 3: But they it's interesting because the second marriages, and there's
Speaker 3: a higher percentage chance of a second marriage entering in
Speaker 3: divorce in a first because oh really yeah, once a
Speaker 3: person has gotten divorced once and survived it, they say, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not that hard, so it's just easier throw in
Speaker 3: the towels second time if you've already thrown in the towel.
Speaker 4: So you see that a lot more.
Speaker 3: I just one of my very best friends whose second
Speaker 3: marriage was seventeen years.
Speaker 4: She just got divorced.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so it's I mean, you look at most
Speaker 3: first marriages are fifty percent.
Speaker 4: I think second marriages are like seventy percent. It's not sad.
Speaker 1: Well I thought would be the other way around.
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I don't pair
Speaker 2: either way really, but I'm not as it. Like before,
Speaker 2: when I first got married, I was like, yes, I
Speaker 2: need to get married. It was more, it was more
Speaker 2: about me getting married than kids. Ever, like my whole
Speaker 2: life it was like that, Like I never really dreamed
Speaker 2: of having kids as much as my marriage.
Speaker 1: Now that I got that out of the way, we're good.
Speaker 3: But one last thing and then we can move on
Speaker 3: to the next thing. Every time I tell my children
Speaker 3: somebody we know is getting divorced or friends of ours,
Speaker 3: they look at me and they go, so, doesn't everybody
Speaker 3: get divorced. It's like, no, they're so sad, so jaded
Speaker 3: because they look around at like I'm divorced, my brother's divorced,
Speaker 3: my parents are divorced, my ex husband's they are divorce.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just everywhere they turned sad. I know,
Speaker 6: so moving on to another divorce, moving on to another divorce.
Speaker 2: But I really like, I don't know her, but she
Speaker 2: seems really genuine. Jennifer Gardner makes rare comments about her
Speaker 2: hard divorce from Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: Am I seeing things? Maybe maybe you can.
Speaker 2: Confirm or not, But did Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck
Speaker 2: just like get seen out together like canoodling versus old footage?
Speaker 3: I read that also. I was kind of hoping he
Speaker 3: and Jennifer Garner would get I.
Speaker 1: Mean they were.
Speaker 2: There's no way Jennifer Gardner would never do that to herself.
Speaker 2: She's like, she's very I say, as brounded as you
Speaker 2: can be, as you can be in this business. Right,
Speaker 2: she seems to be. She seems to be very genuine
Speaker 2: and authentic. Don't know her, don't know, but she does
Speaker 2: seem a little too good for him.
Speaker 4: The son, I don't know, Well, good girls like good
Speaker 4: girls like that, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think, but I don't think she's like that.
Speaker 3: I don't think she got She's not going to go
Speaker 3: back to it now. If he and Jennifer go back
Speaker 3: to the rodeo for a third time.
Speaker 1: They are they just they were just seen together. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: That's just toxic. And they both have to know that
Speaker 4: going into it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they.
Speaker 2: Do, and that's why they keep going back to it.
Speaker 2: It's like, you, guys, you're an ex for a reason.
Speaker 1: Period. I married an ex.
Speaker 3: It's like once something already has had this seal broken,
Speaker 3: it's it's still kind of existing.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, it's the same person.
Speaker 2: Like we evolved, but we don't really we don't really change.
Speaker 4: No, people do not change.
Speaker 1: Not true, Not true.
Speaker 2: Only if you're aware, if you're very much aware and
Speaker 2: like present as much as possible, and you take accountability.
Speaker 1: You can change. I change. I'm anarcoholic.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think people can act, but I think sometimes
Speaker 3: that default behavior will rear its head again in the
Speaker 3: heat of a yes, but in a conscious moment where
Speaker 3: you can stop and pause and react differently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've made tense evolved.
Speaker 2: If you are willing to like like take the whole thing,
Speaker 2: it has to be the whole thing. It's a whole package.
Speaker 2: You have to know that you're not perfect and you're
Speaker 2: not a narcissist. If that, if you can do that.
Speaker 3: And you're actively doing work on yourself all the time,
Speaker 3: and so you're it's really about pausing and not reacting
Speaker 3: and trying to look at somebody else landing instead of
Speaker 3: and looking at somebody else's lens and just yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Always know that your work in progress. Everybody is. I
Speaker 2: don't give who you are.
Speaker 1: Nobody's in the language.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Gardner, so if she's giving rare insight into her separation.
Speaker 2: She spoke to Mary Claire UK about life now in
Speaker 2: the upcoming second season of her TV show on Apple TV.
Speaker 2: She says, you have to be smart about what you
Speaker 2: can and can't handle. And I could not handle what
Speaker 2: was out there. But what was out there, she said,
Speaker 2: was not what was hard. The fact of it is
Speaker 2: what was hard, she says. It's the actual breaking up
Speaker 2: of a family is what was hard. Losing a true
Speaker 2: partnership and friendship is what was hard, she said. And
Speaker 2: she says, I make a big, consorted effort to see
Speaker 2: my people as much as I can. She was basically asked,
Speaker 2: you know how she was able to handle all of this,
Speaker 2: and she saw community and she thinks that that's where
Speaker 2: your resilience is. It's in your relationships and in the
Speaker 2: people who carry you through. Can you relate to what
Speaker 2: Jen said about divorce.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent?
Speaker 3: So it's really easy to be there for people in
Speaker 3: the good times, right when.
Speaker 4: It's parties and cocktails and trips and this.
Speaker 3: That you learn who your people are when your chips
Speaker 3: are down and yep, and you really do.
Speaker 4: And as much as it's hard to.
Speaker 3: Whittle it down, quality not quantity matter so much more
Speaker 3: when you get to that place, right And so when you.
Speaker 4: Go through a divorce, you learn who.
Speaker 3: Your friends are and right, and I'm super grateful for
Speaker 3: my tribe.
Speaker 4: But getting divorce is hard. My kids were young.
Speaker 3: Nothing salacious happened in our divorce.
Speaker 4: We just were not a good fit. But our kids
Speaker 4: were young.
Speaker 1: Helen, Were you married for fourteen years? Wow?
Speaker 4: And we are best friends?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Oh, now you are. That's great.
Speaker 4: No, we we had when we first got divorced.
Speaker 3: Our child had some medical stuff, so we had to
Speaker 3: stay united on that front. And what I learned in
Speaker 3: our divorce is the best things of him still exist
Speaker 3: and the best things of me still exist, and we
Speaker 3: really appreciate that. And as co parents, we were locked
Speaker 3: and loaded on that and it was just great, right.
Speaker 3: And actually we enjoy each other. I mean we talk
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: Is there any like?
Speaker 3: No, I love his fiance, I love her kids. Like
Speaker 3: we are like one big, modern, happy family. And I'm
Speaker 3: very grateful that I married him and that he's the.
Speaker 1: Father of my children.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice of you to say, genuinely, that's so great.
Speaker 2: How long How long did that take to get there?
Speaker 2: From your divorce?
Speaker 3: Look, when you're first getting divorced and you're just kind
Speaker 3: of unraveling everything, it's it takes a minute to recalibrate.
Speaker 3: Years was pretty easy, Like within like a year or two.
Speaker 3: But I would say we really became friends, like in
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, like really friends. Like I
Speaker 3: was going to get a mammogram and was like, do you.
Speaker 4: Need a ride? I was like, oh no, no, ma,
Speaker 4: like genuinely friends.
Speaker 3: And he had had some surgery and his fiance wasn't
Speaker 3: in town and so.
Speaker 4: I picked him up. I mean, it's more like we're
Speaker 4: brother and sister.
Speaker 1: How's the fiance handling that, Oh, we love each other?
Speaker 4: Because let me chage that.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 4: He hasn't he didn't change, I mean he makes change. Similar. No,
Speaker 4: we just sit there.
Speaker 3: I look at her and I'm like, like, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: But she's so great.
Speaker 4: She's rad.
Speaker 3: But guess what age appropriate has an amazing job, which
Speaker 3: means she has her own money, has her own children.
Speaker 3: She's like a best case scenario. It's not like the
Speaker 3: guy who dates.
Speaker 1: It's not like underage. Yeah, it's the young girl or
Speaker 1: your daughter's best friend.
Speaker 3: Right, or is like a total gold digger or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. So it's kind of like winning, right.
Speaker 1: Right, you respect her, ultimately respect her.
Speaker 4: I want to be her best friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And how are your kids? Handling it.
Speaker 4: Oh, they they haven't pay They love it. They think
Speaker 4: it's great.
Speaker 3: Initially when you guys divorced it, they were now I
Speaker 3: mean they were, they were, they were young.
Speaker 4: I think for them it was yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think they were, you know, second and
Speaker 3: fourth grade. So it's hard. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing. Let's move on to Tom Brady, shall we.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady shares cryptic posts. I think people need to
Speaker 2: literally start looking into their lives and not Tom Brady's.
Speaker 2: After spending time with Alex Earl on New Year's Eve, Okay.
Speaker 4: I want to be Alex Earl.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, first of all, who can. They're
Speaker 1: both of age one two, they can do whatever the
Speaker 1: hell they want.
Speaker 2: I think the single, single and thought and if they
Speaker 2: want to have a one night stand or ten night stan,
Speaker 2: so be it.
Speaker 4: And we all I want to read about.
Speaker 3: I mean, I watched her on TikTok in college, like
Speaker 3: he's obviously do.
Speaker 1: You watch her on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 4: I actually did not watch it on her on Dancing House.
Speaker 1: But one I like her and I do too.
Speaker 4: She's she's relatable for me. I don't know, I just yeah,
Speaker 4: she's cool, and I think the two of them together
Speaker 4: is cute and fun. And whether I don't think I'll
Speaker 4: go at the distance, maybe it will.
Speaker 1: But it kind of I mean, yeah, even if she
Speaker 1: how old is she?
Speaker 2: She's watched two twenty four and and he is, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 2: not like they are having a quiet affair, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: there was flirting happening, but like, oh well now. The
Speaker 2: only weird thing though, is that, uh, I can see
Speaker 2: why the other party meeting her ex, who's also a
Speaker 2: football player they had just broken up.
Speaker 4: It was a little close. It was a little it.
Speaker 2: Was a little close, but it was also like in
Speaker 2: the same in the same field, you know, I can
Speaker 2: see how that kind of irks people, right.
Speaker 3: I mean it's also because he also has an eighteen
Speaker 3: year old child, so it's kind of like.
Speaker 4: Oh, how old is how old is he?
Speaker 1: How old is he?
Speaker 2: He is, Like he's got to be in his late forties, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: So but I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, maybe maybe his eighteen year old son thought
Speaker 3: it was like do a dad, go for it.
Speaker 1: He's probably a fan of Alex Yeah he's forty then.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, it was like a twenty three year
Speaker 3: different what's big ague?
Speaker 1: Who was downing?
Speaker 4: You know what? Hey?
Speaker 3: I mean she's dating one of the biggest, most important
Speaker 3: football I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't see it getting so serious. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean, like who but who care?
Speaker 1: People are still talking about it.
Speaker 2: They may not even be talking to each other anymore
Speaker 2: at this point, you know what I mean, And there.
Speaker 4: Will be a new headline that comes out, right.
Speaker 2: But if they're still talking to people are still talking
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: Well, there's some cryptic posts, right, I mean, we're toxic.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, like, okay, so what are the
Speaker 2: something you want to read them are?
Speaker 1: What? What's one of them?
Speaker 3: Didn't his ex wife just get remarried, she's get she's
Speaker 3: about to I think No, she got remarried, has a
Speaker 3: she's pregnant, or she had a baby Zell Gazelle.
Speaker 2: So one of the posts said people are not beautiful
Speaker 2: from So this is from Tom Brady. People are not beautiful.
Speaker 2: This is on January first, for how they look or speak.
Speaker 2: They're beautiful for how they love, care and treat others. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: I mean that's not cryptic. Okay, Okay, thanks for your message.
Speaker 3: Right, But he's reposting it. But where is it directed to?
Speaker 3: Who's it directed at?
Speaker 1: But what type of cryptic? What are they? People are
Speaker 1: reading way too into this.
Speaker 5: Sorry, guys, I gotta jump in here. I just don't
Speaker 5: want you getting flamed in the comments. Posting this on
Speaker 5: January first, which is when they are going viral for
Speaker 5: being together on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: They were not they were it was a sling. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't mean together totally.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying she's rubbing his back. They're holding hands
Speaker 5: like it's not Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: That's right. She wants that attention. I'd be rubbing his
Speaker 3: back too if I were her.
Speaker 5: Heca X got married a month ago. All I'm saying is,
Speaker 5: it's not like, why are people drawing attention, It's because
Speaker 5: he's literally posting this the day after he's going viral.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he always post stuff like this?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't follow the dude.
Speaker 3: It sounds like he's probably trying to like be in
Speaker 3: a situation like this because he's priced a little stung
Speaker 3: that his ex wife is remarried with the baby.
Speaker 1: You guys, this is he's a motivational speaker.
Speaker 2: Now like this is what he So Tom Brady is
Speaker 2: very much well respected right as an athlete, and he
Speaker 2: still is to this day, and he is definitely out
Speaker 2: there doing motivational speeches and he's trying to get into
Speaker 2: that whole world. This guy posts stuff like this all
Speaker 2: the time. There's like if there's no cryptic, it's also
Speaker 2: January first. You need to be if you're going to
Speaker 2: get into this world of like, you know, being somebody
Speaker 2: that people look up to. That is absolutely normal to repost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a like Tony Robbins makes a comment like
Speaker 3: that has some depth and texture and gets people talking
Speaker 3: and thinking. So you are right, he's trying to reimagine
Speaker 3: a new career for himself and he's going to go
Speaker 3: this route. So therefore start talking about like, you know,
Speaker 3: the different things like.
Speaker 2: Yes, we all have millions of people look rejection as
Speaker 2: redirection or.
Speaker 3: You know, saying there's all these things like you know, butterflies,
Speaker 3: they just.
Speaker 1: Come out of nowhere, Like come on, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: This is not like some random rapper all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know, wanting to be about talking about mental health.
Speaker 2: Like no, this guy is it fits put it that
Speaker 2: way if the shoot because.
Speaker 3: He's a leader and people will respect and listen him.
Speaker 3: So he is somebody who could take a platform like
Speaker 3: that and make an impact with people.
Speaker 1: And then here's another one and says a winner is
Speaker 1: a loser.
Speaker 2: A quote was followed by another repost of a graphics
Speaker 2: featuring ninety nine x's, followed by one check mark that
Speaker 2: proclaimed that a winner is a loser who tried one
Speaker 2: more time again.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's just a motivational thing.
Speaker 3: You can go onto my Instagram folders. I have so
Speaker 3: many quotations and meditations that I manifestation things that I
Speaker 3: save all the time.
Speaker 1: Especially on threads.
Speaker 2: I do it all the time, like come on now, boo.
Speaker 2: People need to like literally chill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're bored.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was nice to meet you.
Speaker 4: It was really nice to chat with you, and.
Speaker 1: Thanks for opening up.
Speaker 3: Happy Oh no you too, of course, Happy New Year
Speaker 3: to you, and I hope you need to see you
Speaker 3: soon or talk.
Speaker 4: To you soon.
Speaker 1: Visit I would a visit.
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Speaker 2: a shortage of divorce headlines in the news unfortunately. Are
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