Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are another edition of
Speaker 1: mix Shots inside the s WBC podcast studio here at
Speaker 1: the Beautiful Star in Frisco, Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: in studio. And I understand we have a special guest
Speaker 1: right off the top here, as you can hear in
Speaker 1: the background joining us via a cell phone from somewhere
Speaker 1: in America, is one Everson Walls. I just thought I
Speaker 1: would grace you guys with my presence, you know, just
Speaker 1: for this segment out on the Chris might let me
Speaker 1: offer other segments. But yes, I'm going down to San
Speaker 1: Antonio to mold young men's minds. I know that might
Speaker 1: be a bad thing to some of you, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to coach some defensive back down here at uh
Speaker 1: it's like a combine slash All American Bowl on that
Speaker 1: uh TOLBA on Saturday afternoon. All right. Ever since so
Speaker 1: you finally got invited to the combine. Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: I saw that little I saw a little cheek cheeky
Speaker 1: little jump you made the other day, Bill, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You had to make that public something that
Speaker 1: should have remained private. That is that a combine in
Speaker 1: conjunction with the All American Game that's being played down
Speaker 1: there high School All Americans in San Antonio. That is correct.
Speaker 1: We're doing the combines with the walkthroughs tonight tomorrow all day,
Speaker 1: all day from like six thirty around six thirty at night,
Speaker 1: you know, drills and things that nature, so they can
Speaker 1: attract from scouts. And then Saturday afternoon at twelve, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaking, the game starts and the guys show
Speaker 1: what they can do. Yes, that Army All America Game
Speaker 1: has played every year and he's televised live, usually on NBC.
Speaker 1: I don't know who has it this year. Oh really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a big not just in San Antonio, No, No,
Speaker 1: it's a worldwide. Yeah. The Army All American Game that's
Speaker 1: right up there with the under Armor Game was one
Speaker 1: of the premier high school All America games in the
Speaker 1: country has for years. So those are those ever since
Speaker 1: those are kids that are you're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about here in about three years come NFL Draft time.
Speaker 1: Some of those kids, I bet well you know this
Speaker 1: is I've worked with a group called FBU and they
Speaker 1: have They're the ones who invited me to this one.
Speaker 1: And so I'm the only person at the camp that
Speaker 1: doesn't have them at coaching certificate certification. And so I
Speaker 1: have worked with some of the best kids in the
Speaker 1: country already, Bill for real, A lot of them from
Speaker 1: the Houston area defensive back uh man, they're they're just
Speaker 1: like your digs. I was able to to, you know,
Speaker 1: make them understand how important turnovers can be working on
Speaker 1: the ball skills. So everyone that I've seen, as good
Speaker 1: as they are, they've actually improved as they've you know,
Speaker 1: been under Ottude. It is not just me, but old
Speaker 1: school lim sins them from Chicago. Bears was out there,
Speaker 1: but Lim went the Texas Tech Bill if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: So yeah, We've we've got some quality h coaches out
Speaker 1: there that are trying to make sure these kids doing
Speaker 1: the right way the right way. You know, Everson, there's
Speaker 1: a analytics site out there that disagrees with you about
Speaker 1: how important interceptions are for cornerbacks. Oh yes, I've got
Speaker 1: to see this. Somebody, somebody told me they had Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs ranked as the third best corner on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and eightieth best in the NFL. Well, they keep looking
Speaker 1: at the numbers that he's giving up, And you know,
Speaker 1: I did the same thing my rookie year. I know
Speaker 1: this is second year, but my rookie year, I did
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, sometimes they balanced themselves out back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you give up the big play. But also I don't
Speaker 1: think analytics can can really touch on. And I promise
Speaker 1: it happen with me like you said it happen with Digs.
Speaker 1: It insights, uh inspired, right right, It's somehow effects the
Speaker 1: spirit of the team itself, you know, the crowd itself.
Speaker 1: There's a there's an uplifting aspect of it that inspires
Speaker 1: people on the other side. I know my rookie year
Speaker 1: because I used to try to remember some of my interceptions.
Speaker 1: I'm too over that now, but I would say at
Speaker 1: least eight of my interceptions in nineteen eighty one led
Speaker 1: to games scoring uh drive, touchdown scoring product. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can't figure that into numbers, by the way. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't know why not. So Ever,
Speaker 1: sin of those dbs that you've worked with that are
Speaker 1: at that combine, they did they sign with any major colleges.
Speaker 1: Some of them had already signed with major college. Dude.
Speaker 1: And what was so amazing though, Bill, some of the
Speaker 1: better dbs, And I want you to look out for
Speaker 1: one dB himself. I coached Shimmy as well, but he
Speaker 1: didn't need any coaching for me. His dad with a
Speaker 1: head of a player, Chad Brooks son Charents Brooks. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know about this kid. He's been ahead of the
Speaker 1: time because he was a sophomore in high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: they play him anywhere he wants to play. He's anywhere
Speaker 1: around the in the secondary. His dad and his mom
Speaker 1: just raised him so well Little Alm. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: and he yeah. I can't say nothing about this kid.
Speaker 1: I coached him. He was almost perfect, Bill, And he
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one. The younger kids my best coach,
Speaker 1: my best uh uh chald have been uh sophomore and
Speaker 1: and and a couple of juniors. And Terrence Brooks from
Speaker 1: Little Alm signed with Texas and uh so that's saying
Speaker 1: Chet Brooks play today a m didn't he chat with me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go figure right, Uh wow, all right, Uh, Mickey, you
Speaker 1: want to bring us up to speed on what's going
Speaker 1: on around here. Uh, there's a lot going on, Everson,
Speaker 1: You're missing a lot here. As the world, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: mute you guys. So so I'm that background. No. I
Speaker 1: was gonna be okay as the world turns with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Right, yesterday we find out Michael Parsons had
Speaker 1: tested positive for go COVID. You know, there was like
Speaker 1: a small chance he'd be ready to play Saturday night
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and I think Mike McCarthy took care of
Speaker 1: that today saying he will not play, so he's out.
Speaker 1: He will not have a chance to break the rookie
Speaker 1: sack record that he was a sack and a half
Speaker 1: behind Javan Curse established in nineteen ninety nine. And then
Speaker 1: today we find out that Tyrant Smith and Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: also in reserve COVID, so they won't be planned. And
Speaker 1: he made it sound like there was a couple more
Speaker 1: guys that they had to check on to see, which
Speaker 1: is apparently their reports are. And he said that there
Speaker 1: are some others who are sick, right, and so I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're doing tests to see if if they test
Speaker 1: positive or not. And so it's all up in the air.
Speaker 1: Who's even gonna be on the field on Saturday. Trying
Speaker 1: to challenge the Eagles for how many guys can miss
Speaker 1: the game. And here we go with the Eagles. They
Speaker 1: had twelve on Monday, and Nick Sirianni, their head coach,
Speaker 1: said today that all twelve are eligible will be eligible
Speaker 1: to play on Saturday. He said they are playing, but
Speaker 1: he said they will be eligible Saturday, So that five
Speaker 1: day window will be up and we'll see if they
Speaker 1: take them off reserve COVID. That's right, because if they don't,
Speaker 1: then they get COVID call ups off the practice squad,
Speaker 1: and that would be one way of artificially resting guys, right,
Speaker 1: And Everson sounds like he may have taken us off
Speaker 1: mute there, and so that that means that that means
Speaker 1: Everson wants to chime in. This work actually works pretty well.
Speaker 1: We no, I just wanted to ask if we would
Speaker 1: look if the game would have remained on Sunday, would
Speaker 1: Parsons have it not just a better chance? Would he
Speaker 1: actually be able would he have been actually able to
Speaker 1: play well. I mean if his five days would have
Speaker 1: been up on Saturday. Well, it came out on on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: it was announced on Wednesday, Saturday Sunday, and it was
Speaker 1: after McCarthy's press conference on Wednesday, and so that would
Speaker 1: that would probably put it money. But he didn't have
Speaker 1: to miss five days if he if he's symptomatic and
Speaker 1: tested negative. Yeah. Yeah, so if he to answer your question, Everson,
Speaker 1: if he had to spend the entire five days out,
Speaker 1: then he would not have been able to play on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And I've got another stupid question. When you say the
Speaker 1: term reserved covid it did that for some particular distinct
Speaker 1: is that anyone who tests positive go it's it's the
Speaker 1: equivalent of injured reserve. It's COVID reserve. That player essentially
Speaker 1: does not count against the fifty three man roster um
Speaker 1: the whole time they're on COVID reserve. That's just the
Speaker 1: NFL's term for it. And then you have and then
Speaker 1: you have the right at all, and then you have
Speaker 1: the right to call somebody up off your practice squad
Speaker 1: as a reserve covid U replacement, replacement. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: not like covid light. It's the cod that's Covida. All
Speaker 1: of them go on the same list. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And so otherwise it's a Friday here, that's
Speaker 1: which means it's a virtual Friday. And maybe they need
Speaker 1: to be all virtual all the time. Now, well they've
Speaker 1: been virtual, you know, except the practice. Can they practice virtually?
Speaker 1: Do that? Right? You just get out the maddened game
Speaker 1: and put all the cowboy guys in there virtually. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the same way of practicing virtually. That's exactly like
Speaker 1: you could do that. You could do that. So they
Speaker 1: will practice tomorrow before they take off for the game, uh,
Speaker 1: to head to Philadelphia, and um, you know he still says,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going there to win. So UM, I
Speaker 1: assume Terrence Steele takes Tyrn Smith's place, Kelvin Joseph will
Speaker 1: take Anthony Brown's place. Um, and now it's getting a
Speaker 1: little dicey at the linebacker spot. But Keanunel is back
Speaker 1: is back, and then Luke Gifford may have to step
Speaker 1: in and take some snaps. Uh when it's like a
Speaker 1: heavy uh for a formation offensively? Um, are the Eagles
Speaker 1: treating this game any differently? Considering their problem. It sounds
Speaker 1: like they they're gonna play, but they're gonna I don't
Speaker 1: know how how intense they're you know, even though the
Speaker 1: Cowboys chances of improving their playoff seating are not great
Speaker 1: at all because they need tamp both Tampa Bay and
Speaker 1: the Rams to lose. Uh and they would have to
Speaker 1: win themselves to move up. The Eagles, the chances of improving,
Speaker 1: I mean, what they gain from winning are are not
Speaker 1: that big a deal. I mean, they go from the
Speaker 1: seventh seed to the sixth seed. So yeah, so there's
Speaker 1: not there's not real incentive that sound like it. Yes,
Speaker 1: and two three, you know that makes even less sense
Speaker 1: of it than the Cowboys, you know, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: go out and win the game. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: still should try and win the game. I'm so old
Speaker 1: school guys. I can't. I can't give offensive this strategic
Speaker 1: resting and and all of that. I mean, because I
Speaker 1: just like playing. I like playing. I wanted to make
Speaker 1: some plays. I wanted to get out there and win
Speaker 1: the game. And I just don't recall ever being put
Speaker 1: in the position to where I chose. I was even
Speaker 1: given the option of deciding not to play though, So
Speaker 1: you didn't have any Antonio Brown in you yell no,
Speaker 1: do you want to talk to Antonio Brown now? Or
Speaker 1: you would? Uh? That's just a mess, isn't it? And
Speaker 1: he's his contract has now been terminated. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got rid of him. Yeah, those short guys, Bill, you
Speaker 1: just you know, you have you have to keep it
Speaker 1: out on those short guys. Many shark fast guys they can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might go off. He had his own Mick want
Speaker 1: All in the stadium that you know what, you know what.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of that scene in uh Slapshot the
Speaker 1: Hockey movie when the guy did the strip teas on
Speaker 1: the ice took us close off. When I saw that, like,
Speaker 1: oh it's slap shots, I think he was going to
Speaker 1: it seemed as if if the lacest in his pant
Speaker 1: didn't kind of maybe knighte it up or something to
Speaker 1: seem like you know how pants were going to right,
Speaker 1: You know when you gotta go to the restaom and
Speaker 1: you get that knight up and they're like, oh lord,
Speaker 1: I can't do so. Yeah, that seemed like what happened
Speaker 1: with him and he that stopped him from continuing with
Speaker 1: discarding his quo. But how many people, though at their jobs,
Speaker 1: would love the opportunity to take this job and shove
Speaker 1: it and do that? Right? That's how I'm going out
Speaker 1: right there? I mean Day Chappelle had of course, Day
Speaker 1: Chappelle's comedy, so he had a when keeping the reel
Speaker 1: goes wrong episode, That's what that was. He kept it real,
Speaker 1: but it went way wrong. He was don't have a
Speaker 1: job now. A lot of a lot of things went
Speaker 1: wrong a year ago to day too. The show just
Speaker 1: took a turn making you have a mix shot in you.
Speaker 1: I was just I was just looking. I was just
Speaker 1: looking for a transition that it sounds like a target.
Speaker 1: Wasn't am I being targeted? You're not being targeted? All right? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's so uh whey five? Do you if you don't
Speaker 1: have a mix shot in you? Maybe there? Ever, sin
Speaker 1: do you have a quick shot in you before? Well,
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. If if it's something that
Speaker 1: is not universally celebrated, is it an anniversary or what
Speaker 1: do you call it? You will call it a moment
Speaker 1: in time, a moment in time, or a bad moment
Speaker 1: in time? Yeah, what do we call Pearl Harbor Day?
Speaker 1: Is that an anniversary or it's a day infamy day
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, yeah, that's not really an anniversary day
Speaker 1: that lives in infamy. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: It's like the D Day invasion. So I'm missing something?
Speaker 1: What what? What? What? Em? I want to mute you guys?
Speaker 1: But what's happening here? What happens? It's uh January sixth?
Speaker 1: Oh lord? Come on, man, comes a few Bill has
Speaker 1: I bet you Bill has some classmates out there. I
Speaker 1: thought I thought maybe Micky wanted to talk about the
Speaker 1: Vikings or something. Yeah, considering the leader of that group. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: so do we keep everything around or what do we
Speaker 1: do here? Come on? Keep me on. I kind of
Speaker 1: like this. We'll see how I think it's. I think
Speaker 1: it works when you mute yourself, then we don't talk
Speaker 1: over each other. And when you're not muted, we know
Speaker 1: that you got something to say. There you go? Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we do it in my hand? I'm like, laid
Speaker 1: in my hand. We need to do this every show,
Speaker 1: even when you're in studio. I think Chris could pull
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Speaker 1: of fanatics. Experience Experience, Experience, experience. All right, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola here inside the SWBC podcast studio at the
Speaker 1: Starr in Frisco, and Everson Walls is making his way
Speaker 1: to San Antonio where he is a coach at the
Speaker 1: All American Combine or something like that in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we need to help Everson out here.
Speaker 1: He tells us that he is just south of Hillsboro. Hi, okay,
Speaker 1: Hillsboro's thirteen miles away. And Chris beam Are, a stute producer,
Speaker 1: said that be prepared for a two hour wait getting
Speaker 1: through Waco. And there is a bypass I understand around Waco,
Speaker 1: but we can't remember what that bypass is. So anyone
Speaker 1: listening it wants to pass along to Everson what exit
Speaker 1: he can take to get around the construction that is
Speaker 1: prevalent in Waco. Let us know, yeah, or just give
Speaker 1: Everson a call. No, no, he's on the phone with us,
Speaker 1: all right, So Everson with Anthony Brown on COVID reserve.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph, who has had increased snaps here recently, is
Speaker 1: going to get probably likely a full dose on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: What have you seen out of Kelvin Joseph? You know,
Speaker 1: it was almost like what I saw from Dig last year,
Speaker 1: a little bit less. So you can see Diggs had
Speaker 1: exceptional skills, but yeah, he just didn't have the preparation
Speaker 1: time of practice time during the heavy parts of COVID.
Speaker 1: And I keep saying that if that was in the pan.
Speaker 1: But what you have with Joseph is a guy not
Speaker 1: much experience, but you he's starting to get more as
Speaker 1: this season has gone on. It's good that he's gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit more playing time here recently because you know,
Speaker 1: that could have been his dresing obviously his rest rehearsal
Speaker 1: for what's to come. What they saw the Cardinals. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to be prepared for that type of intensity.
Speaker 1: You know, when you play defensive bad guys I really did.
Speaker 1: In any position, you have to be so in tune
Speaker 1: to not just yourself but everything that's going on around you,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know that's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: figure out for a rookie but I had to do
Speaker 1: as a highline. I'm watching the splits on the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for ibvia set ups and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So he hadn't had a chance to refine that type
Speaker 1: of you know, his instinct in that regard. But these
Speaker 1: last few games, he's had some moments to at least
Speaker 1: say that he's not just going out there cold turkey.
Speaker 1: And then I would imagine in this case, the next
Speaker 1: guy up would be Nashan Wright, because that's what you
Speaker 1: always have to look at. You know, you get somebody
Speaker 1: to take over, but now what happens if you get
Speaker 1: another injury? Who's up next? And I would imagine it's
Speaker 1: na Shan, right, So well, he'll I mean, he'll be out.
Speaker 1: He came back last week, came back last week and
Speaker 1: look like he had been on COVID. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: limited well, and they limited his snaps because he was
Speaker 1: coming off COVID, so he would have more of a
Speaker 1: full dose unless they want to limit his snaps just
Speaker 1: because they've got a playoff game the next week. And
Speaker 1: so I mean, we could be in a situation here
Speaker 1: where you know, and we'll see what the Eagles do
Speaker 1: as far as what who they're playing, or how long
Speaker 1: they're if they play whatever starters they do, play, how
Speaker 1: long they're in there. If the Cowboys can get control
Speaker 1: of the game and accomplish what they want to accomplish
Speaker 1: from a positive standpoint, and then other players get playing time,
Speaker 1: I think that we'll probably see na Sean Wright get
Speaker 1: more snaps than what we've seen, don't you think, Mickey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And it would be a pretty good
Speaker 1: test if they decide to play their wide receivers because
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good group, right. Uh yeah, if we
Speaker 1: start very good Davanta Smith uh and then uh Quez
Speaker 1: Watkins has caused some problems for people along with Jalen Ragers.
Speaker 1: So you know the interesting on Rager is, uh Ragor
Speaker 1: hasn't produced that. But I mean I'm in surprised, you know,
Speaker 1: first raft draft pick out of TCU. I mean you
Speaker 1: have their stats there. Yeah, as a season, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think JA doesn't doesn't trust him as much
Speaker 1: as he has trusted some other safer options, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, and what they've done offensively, Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: when you look at the Eagles, they started the season
Speaker 1: two and five, they were three and six at one point,
Speaker 1: and now they're sitting there nine and seven and and
Speaker 1: so they've uh, what is that they've won six of
Speaker 1: the last seven games, and they've run the ball. They've
Speaker 1: they've made a concerted effort to run the ball and uh,
Speaker 1: and that's been very effective with Jalen Hurts at quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact, Um, they've moved up in
Speaker 1: rushing offense two number one. Wow, and see that that
Speaker 1: concerns me because that's the best way to keep our
Speaker 1: offense off the field. And let me. Let me run
Speaker 1: down Jalen Raiger's production here during this stretch, because there
Speaker 1: hasn't been much production out of Jalen Rager. He has
Speaker 1: thirty one catches on the season, and when you look back,
Speaker 1: starting with the Detroit game, one catch, no yards. Then
Speaker 1: against the Chargers one catch minus six yards, Denver one catch,
Speaker 1: twelve yards, New Orleans one catch, he had two catches.
Speaker 1: The next game. He had a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: against Washington he had three catches in the game. So
Speaker 1: he has not been involved that much in their offense.
Speaker 1: And you know, when when I go through the opponents
Speaker 1: stats every week, it's just really striking how little that
Speaker 1: the Eagle are doing in their passing game, and that
Speaker 1: which is a testament to they made a concerted effort
Speaker 1: to take advantage of the skills that Hurts has running
Speaker 1: the football as a quarterback. And you know, just a
Speaker 1: variety of running backs even fighting through injuries with Miles
Speaker 1: Sanders being having missed some time. Boston Scott's the guy
Speaker 1: they've been leaning on lately, and Jordan Howard has kind
Speaker 1: of revived his career with Philadelphia this season, and then
Speaker 1: Goddard he has led them in receptions in four of
Speaker 1: the last six games. So and anytime you're running the ball, guys,
Speaker 1: the tight end is the safest throughoute when you want
Speaker 1: to go play action. And ever since Ertz left, then
Speaker 1: you're you're looking at guy that really just taken over
Speaker 1: as far as the intermedia passing game. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny when you do run the ball successfully. The big
Speaker 1: plays from the past the game have still opened up Bill.
Speaker 1: You know, he's pulled off some good numbers. Some of
Speaker 1: them are just dinky fants that end up going for
Speaker 1: long ways, but it allows his wide receivers to get
Speaker 1: those fifty fifty balls down the field because the safety
Speaker 1: is not back there to hell, they're up there peaking
Speaker 1: then knows this in the line looking for a running back.
Speaker 1: But DeVante Smith, the Heisman Trophy winner from last year
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, has sixty one catches on the
Speaker 1: season five touchdowns. Now, the interesting thing about those tight
Speaker 1: ends is that Goddard was one of those guys who
Speaker 1: went on COVID reserve on Monday. And we'll see. Even
Speaker 1: though Sirianni says that all those players are eligible to
Speaker 1: play on Saturday, Willie play on Saturday and then they're
Speaker 1: backup tight end, there's more of a blocking tight end.
Speaker 1: Jack Stole also was one of those COVID guys. So
Speaker 1: they're down to like no tight ends. You know what
Speaker 1: they've They've rushed for at least one hundred yards in
Speaker 1: fourteen of sixteen games, with a high of two thirty
Speaker 1: eight the second time the first time around against Washington.
Speaker 1: So they've got one, two, three, four, five games with
Speaker 1: more than two hundred yards of rushing. And what pads
Speaker 1: those rushing stats is wouldn't you have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: who has several games where he's run for sixty or
Speaker 1: seventy yards And I was going to look up. What
Speaker 1: his totals sent me up? Some kind of record. I
Speaker 1: thought he had achieved some type of mouth. He's He's
Speaker 1: at seven hundred eighty four yards rushing on the season,
Speaker 1: five six yards a carry, has ten touchdowns rushing the football,
Speaker 1: and you got him sixteen touchdowns passing and ten touchdowns rushing.
Speaker 1: So the sirianni, he's used the talents that hurts has
Speaker 1: and uh. And you can just tell by the way
Speaker 1: their season has progressed. Now they haven't played a lot
Speaker 1: of playoff teams on their schedule here, well, they haven't
Speaker 1: beaten one of them yet. Well you look in this
Speaker 1: stretch where they have won six of their last seven games.
Speaker 1: They beat Denver. How the Cowboys do against Dewn Not
Speaker 1: so well? No, No, it was thirty to thirteen over Denver.
Speaker 1: They beat New Orleans forty to twenty nine. They got
Speaker 1: forty points on the Saints Giants. The Giants was the
Speaker 1: was the one game they lost. There was something wrong
Speaker 1: with that game for the Saints thirteen thirteen seven eight
Speaker 1: year Oh yeah, against the Eagles. Uh. And then they
Speaker 1: Jets they won thirty three eighteen Washington they won twenty
Speaker 1: seven seventeen beat the Giants thirty four to ten, and
Speaker 1: then last week be Washington twenty to sixteen. So what
Speaker 1: I rattled off seven or eight teams Denver, No, not
Speaker 1: going the playoffs and still has a chance. Giants out,
Speaker 1: Jets out, Washington out, Giants out, Washington out. They are
Speaker 1: the best of the lower half of But they have
Speaker 1: a chance against the Cowboys. Yeah, they do. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've becoming played down to our competition sometimes. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's on us. That's not on the Eagles or
Speaker 1: the backles, anyone left. Okay. I was looking at the
Speaker 1: first half of their season, and of course these schedules
Speaker 1: when you're playing against the division rival, they're very similar
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Uh schedule, but uh, Kansas City they
Speaker 1: lost to forty two to thirty, and they lost to
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay twenty eight, twenty two. You know, in general,
Speaker 1: the NFC East had a pretty easy schedule this year,
Speaker 1: playing against the it seems like against the NFC South
Speaker 1: and the AFC West, well, strange to say, West, it
Speaker 1: seems like a strong. Yeah, and you got the Chargers
Speaker 1: in the Raiders that are playing for playoff spots this week.
Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at is across the league though,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes these these playoffs exciting.
Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be the dominant team that you
Speaker 1: typically have. Well, nobody has dominated throughout the entire season
Speaker 1: right now. That Green Bay that everyone loves the word,
Speaker 1: you know, green Bay came close to it, but they've
Speaker 1: had a couple of close calls where you're going, well,
Speaker 1: it's wrong with that team. Um, But I mean Kansas City,
Speaker 1: they've they've got it together here lately. You know, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: seems to be hitting at their stride at the right time,
Speaker 1: just judging by what they did against Kansas City last week.
Speaker 1: Over in the AFC, Buffalo was the team to beat.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought leading into the season. They're
Speaker 1: the fourth seed. Tennessee has come on strong in the
Speaker 1: second after earn the number one seed right now over there,
Speaker 1: But then you look in the NFC and you think
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys chances against the playoff teams. They can
Speaker 1: beat every single one of those teams in the playoffs. However,
Speaker 1: they can also lose to every single one of those
Speaker 1: teams in the world. Every one of those teams you
Speaker 1: named out, Bill, I mean, they've hit them bumps in
Speaker 1: the road as well, right, I mean also just as
Speaker 1: confounding as what the Cowboys are doing. You know, every
Speaker 1: team you named out they have had that stretch in
Speaker 1: that season. At least one they were doubting Jack Allen
Speaker 1: after touting him as the MVP of the of the league.
Speaker 1: And you know, the number one AFC team to go
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. So you can either all of
Speaker 1: those teams, you can go back and say that there
Speaker 1: was an unusual moment that was very uncharacteristic for me
Speaker 1: for all of them. And if the Cowboys should win
Speaker 1: and they're the fourth seed, and if none of the
Speaker 1: wild card teams pull an upset, then you better book
Speaker 1: your flight to somewhere in Wisconsin to get to Bay
Speaker 1: and probably a Chili Knight too. I ain't scared. Ain't scared.
Speaker 1: I am not scared. You're scared about the Chili Knight. No, No,
Speaker 1: I am not. I played in Boys either, whole one game.
Speaker 1: Nothing scared me. So so basically for the Cowboy, let's
Speaker 1: say let's just looking ahead, and let's say that the
Speaker 1: Chalk wins this week. Okay, where the Cowboys wind up
Speaker 1: as the four seed and you've got Green Bay is
Speaker 1: the one seed. The Rams is the two seed, Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay's the three in Dallas the fourth, So Dallas plays
Speaker 1: Arizona and then to avoid that second round trip to
Speaker 1: Green Bay, they need The Cowboys will need either San
Speaker 1: franci Cisco to win at Tampa or Philadelphia to win
Speaker 1: at the Ramps, or could be New Orleans if they
Speaker 1: sneak in. Yeah, one of those three teams, if that's right,
Speaker 1: it would be, and it would be if New Orleans
Speaker 1: beat Atlanta, New Orleans would take the place of San
Speaker 1: Francisco in the playoffs. So you're right, So yeah, they
Speaker 1: would need one of those to put off getting to
Speaker 1: Green Bay. That's what's so damaging about the lost Arizona
Speaker 1: last week, is that losing that seat and losing where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the it's staring you in the face
Speaker 1: at the second round, the divisional playoff round. You're having
Speaker 1: to go to Green Bay. And the worst part is
Speaker 1: that you lost by three, and you know, we can
Speaker 1: come up with about five plays to make up for
Speaker 1: those three points that just did at one leg five plays,
Speaker 1: but just one leg one Wait, I thought that was
Speaker 1: his nickname, Greg Delay. Yeah, yeah, he's got you use
Speaker 1: the wrong leg that's what happened the other day. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've been using the bomba for a while. Well, that's
Speaker 1: their kickers, so there's nothing they can do about it
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Speaker 1: final few minutes here of Mixed Shots. I mentioned at
Speaker 1: the end of the show yesterday that I was headed
Speaker 1: to the American Airline Center because it was Dirk Night
Speaker 1: last night for the Dallas Mavericks. They retired number forty one,
Speaker 1: and I was there pregame. I went back to the
Speaker 1: TV station for once the game started because the ceremony
Speaker 1: I knew, was going to run into the newscast and
Speaker 1: it would be difficult to do the sport. Can't do
Speaker 1: the sportscast. Well, the ceremony is going on. But it
Speaker 1: was a nice night there and they beat the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors and ceremony was pretty cool afterwards. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: everybody stayed. Yeah, yeah, that was amazing that people, you know,
Speaker 1: the what is it, the commercial or the old people
Speaker 1: wanted they're leaving before they even seen it. Did everybody stay?
Speaker 1: It looked not everybody, okay. Chris Bieb says, not everybody stayed. Okay.
Speaker 1: Did the Cowboy players stay for the ceremony? I think
Speaker 1: they did because when they showed them, I didn't lost
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, that was a setup for Crispe. I
Speaker 1: got you, all right, Mickey, our last segment here, we
Speaker 1: got ever soon on those way to San Antonio. You
Speaker 1: made it to Waco. Yet I am passing Tokyo Rod
Speaker 1: Tokeyo Tokyo, whatever that is, and I am passing right
Speaker 1: under UH Highway eight eighteen fifty eight, and that means
Speaker 1: a lot. I actually, I actually think I'm ins, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're in hills now, you made it there, So I
Speaker 1: think I think yesterday. Now, remember I can't remember what
Speaker 1: we talked about the day before or the last second
Speaker 1: or the last second. Um, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: mentioned the passing of Ralph Neely. We need to do that.
Speaker 1: We need to do that. You don't want to mute Everson,
Speaker 1: so you can talk or Dollan and less Everson. Now,
Speaker 1: Everson didn't cross paths with him while he was dying.
Speaker 1: I did not go ahead. Yeah, he played with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys from sixty five through seventy seven. Uh, and get this,
Speaker 1: he was I know, how does this happen? He was
Speaker 1: a four time All Pro but only a two time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler. He was a offensive tackle, and he made
Speaker 1: the All Decade sixties team the old here we go
Speaker 1: another one. The only person on the All Decade team
Speaker 1: in the sixties that is not in the Hall of Fame. Wow.
Speaker 1: And he had a pretty remarkable career planned you know,
Speaker 1: kind of bookend tackles with Raphael Wright passed away yesterday,
Speaker 1: just a little bit before we started the show, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: seventy eight years old. But the thing that I think
Speaker 1: most people remember about him, the Cowboys drafted him in
Speaker 1: the second round and the Houston Oilers, yes, drafted him
Speaker 1: in the second round, and he got crossways with the
Speaker 1: contract that they kind of heat says they fudged on him.
Speaker 1: I say, what what I want to understand? How two
Speaker 1: teams to draft? There was an AFL team there, all right, Mutulf,
Speaker 1: that was good. That was that was a good no.
Speaker 1: But that's a good point because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize that before the merger in nineteen seventy and
Speaker 1: they tried signing him while he was still at Oklahoma
Speaker 1: by the way, UH, and UH he thought they lied
Speaker 1: to him about something, so he's like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: signing with them, and he backed out and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: signed him, and then it became a court case. UH
Speaker 1: in the late sixties after UH, the NFL and AFL
Speaker 1: decided that there was going to be a merger and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys ended up having to pay the Oilers once
Speaker 1: there was a combined draft between the teams from the
Speaker 1: AFL and the NFL, UH several draft choices and had
Speaker 1: to agree to play him in the free season. That's
Speaker 1: how the Governor's Cup started. Wow. Very cool story, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why we play. That's how it started anyway. Wow.
Speaker 1: But but okay, And that was one of the terms
Speaker 1: of the merger agreement right between the NFL and the AFL,
Speaker 1: was that the Neely contract dispute be resolved. In nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty six, the Cowboys finally agreed with the Oilers to
Speaker 1: send draft choices a first, second, and two fifth round
Speaker 1: choices in the sixty seven draft, and the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: going to take it to court. They were trying to
Speaker 1: take it all the way to the Supreme Court, and
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, yeah, we got other things to
Speaker 1: worry about. Well, wow, I think it just becomes a
Speaker 1: fifth and contest, don't you think? Right? Yeah? Who? It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who wants to be right, you know. And
Speaker 1: and fortunately, fortunately for him, when the Cowboys finally won
Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl that nineteen seventy one season, he
Speaker 1: had gotten in a motorcycle accident and was out for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Missed that Super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: the last year he played, nineteen seventy seven, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: went back to the Super Bowl again and he was
Speaker 1: able to actually be on the field winning a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl in seventy seven. I was thinking of something last night,
Speaker 1: guys and Bill, you you kind of prompted the Thomas
Speaker 1: and You're talking about how amazing Dan Reeves was and
Speaker 1: how important he was to that Cowboy not just the players,
Speaker 1: but of course to the staff as well. Correct, And
Speaker 1: as you look at not just him, but Bill, as
Speaker 1: you look at that entire team, you know, I never
Speaker 1: met Ralph nearly, but I remember the excellence. You understand,
Speaker 1: that whole team was just full of excellent players that
Speaker 1: have They seemed to be of extremely high character, all
Speaker 1: of them you think about Cornell Green, you think about Male,
Speaker 1: you think about herb Adley Cornman. You think about the
Speaker 1: entire office in line that the Cowboys had at that time.
Speaker 1: Although somewhat undersized, they kicked but every weech all right,
Speaker 1: and they they were just one of the more consistent
Speaker 1: parts of the Dallas Cowboys. Lord, when you think about it,
Speaker 1: Tom Landrye depended heavily on his offensive line being a
Speaker 1: solid unit. So you just look at that entire team, man,
Speaker 1: and I thought about last night, and I was just
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the gentleman on that team. Ray Field, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And the guys are defense, Jeff no Pugh,
Speaker 1: you know, Bob Lilly. You just look at that team.
Speaker 1: It's not it's no surprise that they ended up being
Speaker 1: at a as they were. Not to mention Bob Hayes,
Speaker 1: oh Don Perkins, and think about it and think about
Speaker 1: they were they were the fun they would be. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they have a high character, but I
Speaker 1: think that a little more fun, a little bit more
Speaker 1: fun than Neely had a heck of a sense of
Speaker 1: humor even after planned. But how about this. He played
Speaker 1: thirteen years and he went to the playoffs, eleven times
Speaker 1: the odd times they didn't make It was his rookie
Speaker 1: year in sixty five they went seven and seven. It
Speaker 1: was their first non losing season. Uh. And then in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four was it before the dirty doesn't arrived.
Speaker 1: In seventy five, they had a winning record, they just
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. You know, it's interesting you bring
Speaker 1: that up ever since, because I've thought a lot about
Speaker 1: that through the years, and especially you know, Mickey and
Speaker 1: I have hosted a legend show on the radio for
Speaker 1: a number of years, and so a lot of those
Speaker 1: guys from the sixties and seventies have been guests on
Speaker 1: the show, and not forgetting Yeah, yeah, there's another one,
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's I look at it as
Speaker 1: uh they have the mental makeup of those players. Uh
Speaker 1: they are uh, those those are players with probably strong
Speaker 1: football I ues, but just in general, Uh, there was
Speaker 1: something about the acquisition. And of course back then you
Speaker 1: could acquire so many players, whether they be free agents
Speaker 1: like yourself or through the draft, and and the guys
Speaker 1: that made it are guys that headed upstairs, and you know,
Speaker 1: and so many of those were successful after their careers
Speaker 1: as well. Look at the linebackers. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: and and when I when I study draft prospects, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. You had a lumber company and a
Speaker 1: cleaning service right right after after the football I saw.
Speaker 1: I saw he had a story at airport. Gil has
Speaker 1: told this story many times, but I saw, I don't
Speaker 1: know a distributorship. I don't know why he tweeted this out. Uh,
Speaker 1: but and I don't know if it was some sort
Speaker 1: of date or whatever, but he was reminded everybody that
Speaker 1: part of Leroy Jordan's uh signing bonus, Uh, they bought
Speaker 1: him like a brand new I believe it was a Cadillac, right,
Speaker 1: And they they got a better deal here in Dallas
Speaker 1: than they could in Alabama, where he was living, where
Speaker 1: he grew up. And so Gil buys the Cadillac, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna drive it to Alabama to give it to
Speaker 1: Leroy Jordan, and somewhere around Starkville, Mississippi, he hits a
Speaker 1: cow and totals the car, right, And and he said,
Speaker 1: fortunately he knew one of the coaches at Mississippi State, right,
Speaker 1: and they knew the sheriff because they were going to
Speaker 1: charge Gil for killing the cow. And then he had
Speaker 1: to go and tell Leroy Jordan, I won't get you
Speaker 1: your car. This one's not gonna quite be good enough
Speaker 1: for you. So about one thing you gotta learned is
Speaker 1: never getting the car with your brand. Every time you
Speaker 1: look at me and he gets shot at, you know,
Speaker 1: he's hit the cow. Come on, he hit a darned
Speaker 1: cow in the middle of Mississippi. Well, Everson, you stay
Speaker 1: safe on your travels and hopefully, hopefully I'll watch that
Speaker 1: Army All America game and maybe they'll show shots of
Speaker 1: you at the combine. Hey, hey, I'm telling you I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be that too long. I gotta get home
Speaker 1: to watch the Covel game. Brother got home and watching
Speaker 1: Cowboys day. Oh oh, by the way, by the way,
Speaker 1: since I'm not coming on tomorrow, pick the click Cowboys
Speaker 1: winning twenty seven twenty uh and Diggs gets the pick.
Speaker 1: He breaks the record. Oh yeah, you have to get
Speaker 1: that in yeah, and you will be very happy that
Speaker 1: he breaks your record. Right now. I can't wait, man,
Speaker 1: that that's something been on my back for forty years.
Speaker 1: It is getting heavy and heavywhere but we're gonna put
Speaker 1: an asteris on it because it's seventeen games. I told
Speaker 1: you about the aster the thing. I had to put
Speaker 1: mine on Leo's as well. I got mine in the
Speaker 1: fifteenth game. He did, he was in fourteen. So y okay,
Speaker 1: we got to stay away in the astley since it
Speaker 1: goes against me now, all right, ever since, enjoy your
Speaker 1: time down in San Antonio, and Mickey, we appreciated and
Speaker 1: all of you for joining us, and we will chat
Speaker 1: at you tomorrow here on Mick Shots Go Cowboys. This
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