1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, a Lisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. Okay, 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: Today we are diving back into one of the most 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: unbelievable true crime sagas in recent memory, the Murdoch murders. 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: This involves a powerful Southern legal dynasty, a deadly boat crash, 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: financial crimes, and then Maggie and Paul Murdoch are shot 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: and killed at the family's hunting estate. I mean, this 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: case exploded nationally because it wasn't just about murder. It 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: was about privilege, legacy, and the collapse of a family 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 3: that seemed untouchable. And after a six week trial, in 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: less than three hours deliberation by the jury, Alec Murdoch 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: was convicted of murdering his wife and son and was 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: sentenced to two consecutives life terms without parole. 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: Then he also. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: Received additional decades in prison for financial and fraud convictions 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: tied to client theft and embezzlement. However, in February of 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: this year, just weeks ago, the South Carolina Supreme Court 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: heard oral arguments on Alec Murdoch's appeal of the murder conviction, 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: but they have not made ruling on that appeal as 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: of yet. Now, if you want to hear more about 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: this case, you can go back and listen to my 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: first episode where I interview Mandy Mattney and Liz Ferrell, 24 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: who are the journalists who cracked this case wide open. 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 3: So today my guest is j Smith Cameron, who plays 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: Marion Proctor, Maggie's older sister, in the Hulu series Murdoch 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: Death in the Family. Jay, thank you so much for 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: being here today. My pleasure, and I'm going to say, 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: first off, I'm a huge fan of yours and I 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: have been for a very long time, so I get 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: really excited. 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, when I. 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: Started doing this podcast, I wasn't thinking that I might 34 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: get to actually, you know, talk with people that I admire. 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: So I'm really thrilled that you're here today. 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: Is a very nice thing to say. Thank you. 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: And this series, I think is so wonderful that the 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: performances are so nuanced, the script is so detailed. It's 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: truly compelling and disturbing. So you play a role that 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: is very close to the emotional center of the whole case. 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: Maggie's sister Marion. So were you familiar with the case 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: before you read the script? 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm actually from South Carolina. I mean, the 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: whole world followed it, I think, but I particularly was 45 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: a glow. I'm not from the Low Country, which is 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: where they reigned supreme, where Murdos were like above the law. 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know them specifically, but I certainly know that culture. 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: I mean, the coastal culture is a little different. But 49 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: I grew up in Greenville, South Carolina, but I had 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: been to Charleston a million times, which is where Marion 51 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: lives or lived then anyway, And so I was aware 52 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: of it. I was fascinated by it. And then also 53 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: just you know, as it kept unfolding, it's like one 54 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: of those really really unusual things where it's like the 55 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: more they're they're really only looking into this part of 56 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 2: the mystery, and then they find it's connected to this 57 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: thing and this death and this fraud and so forth. 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: And I thought it was fascinating. So I was aware 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: of it. And then I also when I got cast, 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: I had worked with Michael who who was the one 61 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: of the writers. Yes, and I'd worked with them on 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: a show called Rectify, which also took place. It took 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: place in Georgia, but it was also a very realistic 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: sort of soulful peace and we were kind of in touch. 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: And it was just like when he announced on Instagram 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: or something that he had got the you like to 67 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: do this? I was like, oh, is it a part 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: for me? 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: Dotting? 70 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, where do I feel? Wait a minute, actually, yes 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: there is. You're perfect for it. And so that's how 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: that came to be. But yes, I really did follow 73 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: the case. And then after after I got the offer, 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: I really watched all those documentaries and the podcast that 75 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: it's based on. An interesting facet of it for you 76 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: for sure. 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: And so we spoke with Manny Mattey and Liz Ferrell. 78 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: They're the first episode we did of of this podcast, 79 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: and she those two are just like what powerhouses and 80 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: the work that they're doing is extraordinary and so important 81 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: and one of those things. 82 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, when you. 83 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: Know something is meant to be, it's like the secret 84 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: sauce of oh, this is all supposed to happen, Like 85 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: those women just you know, when where their spirits took them, 86 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: did the work and supposed like it's it's really incredible. 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing. 88 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: She So obviously, when you're playing a real person, it 89 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: is I would imagine different than I've never played a 90 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: real person who existed in history. 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: So did you. 92 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: Feel like what sort of responsibility did you feel? Did 93 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 3: you feel protective of Marian? 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. 95 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: I know that the family is very you know. I mean, 96 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: they've been turned inside out by not just what happened, 97 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: but all the exposure. And I think that I think 98 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 2: it is true that Marian really bonded with Buster and 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: we helped him out post all of that. But I 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: know that they were really like, please leave us alone, 101 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: you know, and I can really first of all, my 102 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: heart went out to them about that. So as much 103 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: as I would have liked to have talked to her 104 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: or even just contacted her and said that I empathized 105 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: with her, I just felt the right thing to do 106 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: was nothing at all like leave her alone. But there 107 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: was all the footage from the trial, which is watch 108 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: on YouTube. And also just I've known a lot of 109 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: women that you know who can say they're exactly like them, 110 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: but I mean, no one's exactly like anyone. But I 111 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: know that kind of woman. I know that sort of 112 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: I know dozens of them. Like, I felt like a 113 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 2: camaraderie with just the relationship that Maggie and Marion had 114 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: and just there it's just a very particularly Southern, jovial, 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: kind of close knit family vibe. And I'm very close 116 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: with my big sister, So I did I felt this 117 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: real protect I did feel really protective of her. And 118 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: also I so the makeup person on our show, and 119 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: really all the departments knocked themselves out being as literally 120 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: exact to the real thing as they could. The costume designer, 121 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: you can't believe what he did, Like he would literally 122 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: track down do you know about this? Yes? 123 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, I've watched everything that 124 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: the series, but then also the documentaries, and I would 125 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: get them confused because all like the striped shirt that 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: Alec is wearing in when he's being interrogated in the 127 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: police like all of I'm like, oh my god, I'm 128 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: literally getting them confused. 129 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean even you know, Buster's girlfriend, they 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: found exact dress somewhere online that she's born in the 131 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: in the at the trial, just sitting in the audience. 132 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: Wow. 133 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: So but what they did was, you know, like Marian 134 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: appears to have little or no makeup on. And you know, 135 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: a lot of the pictures of her that exist are 136 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: pictures from some wedding or some big occasion. Those are 137 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: not the scenes that are happening generally speaking in the show. 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there's one big party scene, but you know, 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 2: she's you know, her face is shaped different than mine, 140 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: her hair is a different texture, so they wanted to 141 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: literally do exactly the hair style as much as they could. 142 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: But I have like skinny, fine hair, so if they 143 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: pull it back in a ponytail, I felt it looked 144 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: less like the real Marion's hair. But at that point 145 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: was just like, I mean, I didn't want to That's 146 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: not where I wanted to put my energy. I often 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: have that. I often just you know, acquiesce in the 148 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: makeup chair, especially if it's like an emotional part, that 149 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: that's the more important part. That's my job, that's my 150 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: my part of it. So but I felt like, in 151 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: their diligence to have me exactly that, I just pointed 152 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: out how different I look from her in real life. 153 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it did help me kind 154 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: of channel her temperament and her she you know, is 155 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: a quiet, luxury type dresser and which you know, who 156 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: doesn't admire that. I'm fascinated by her, and I just 157 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: felt so bad for her situation where she had, you know, 158 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: because she if you followed all the episodes, you see 159 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: that that my character with Marion is really suspicious of 160 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: a lot just from just from without there being any 161 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: deaths involved. She's just like he's always running off and 162 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: doing shady, unexplained things. He's having indiscretions. I think, I 163 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: don't even know about the drug problem. But you know, 164 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm protective of her, and I'm going to be one 165 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: of the one voices that speak to her about this 166 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: isn't has it should be, you know, And then of 167 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: the irony of being like, well this once, why don't 168 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: you go because you really are close to his father 169 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: and you want this to this parting to be peaceable, 170 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: and well this is what I inferred that she was thinking, 171 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: and then to have her feel like she sent her 172 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: to her to and it was such an awful death 173 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: is just a horrible thing, and I just I feel 174 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: so badly for her. I don't know her, but I 175 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: feel like of all the cast characters, she was the 176 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: most prudent and careful and sensitive, and I mean that's 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: my bias. 178 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure, yes, No, I think that that seems clear. 179 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: I would agree with you on that and that difficult position. 180 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: We were speaking about this off air before about once 181 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: you know, relationships are complicated and as a friend or 182 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: a family member, if you have a female friend who 183 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: you know is perhaps in a relationship that is not 184 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: great for them, whether it's violent or emotionally violent, you know, 185 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: whatever the circumstances are, once you cross that line of 186 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: saying this needs to end or this person is bad, like, 187 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: you can't take it back, so that that conversation is 188 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: so careful, you know, and that's just it's it's devastating. 189 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: She must I would imagine that it's. 190 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: Not easy for her. 191 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: And this is also you know, I think this series 192 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: is a really nice job of developing that relationship between 193 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: Marion and. 194 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: Buster, particularly in the later episodes. 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit about that did you 196 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: know about You mentioned that you did know a little 197 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: bit about that in real life that they had it, 198 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: But was that on the page or did you to 199 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: create it. Will Harrison as the actor who plays Buster. 200 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: Well, he's a really remarkable actor. He was very open 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: both both the boys who played the sons were very 202 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: open and responsive. I mean, I didn't have that much 203 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: to do with the younger brother, but yeah, I mean 204 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: I thought he was wonderful who was wide open. And 205 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: of course those are those are those are not based 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: on fact. Those are somebody's imagination of what kind of 207 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: thing might have happened between them. And I just think 208 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: that the circumstances drove Marian too. This is again conjecture, 209 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: but it seems born out that she began to just 210 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: pick up the slack like one parent to suspect only 211 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: brother and only mother are gone, and it's sort of 212 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: touching that I don't think they were particularly close before that. 213 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: And then she makes a point of reaching out to 214 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: him and helping him. And I believe I read or 215 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: heard from one of my South Carolinian friends that she 216 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: helped him get a home outside of that part of 217 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: South Carolina, and she bought him a house in Greenville, 218 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: which is where I grew up. I don't think he's 219 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: there now, but I think he lived there for a 220 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: while his family. So I just think she really, really 221 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: really tried to show up for him in a way 222 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: that's very heroic and touching. 223 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like the truth really the innocent one in 224 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: the whole. 225 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: Scenario did so because it going back to Marian and Maggie, 226 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: it does it seems as though in reality and in 227 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: this series that the way Marian and Maggie grew up 228 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: was a bit more refined, a different kind of family 229 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: like culture. And you really see that juxtaposition and that 230 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: kind of where. 231 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: We don't, you know, like talk about that. Do you think? 232 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: Am I right? 233 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes? I think you're right. I think that's exactly right. 234 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I think that Maggie married into 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: this good old boy kind of culture. But Marian, on 236 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: the other hand, as I understand it, married into a 237 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: really refined, well to do Charleston family. And so that 238 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: division of the girls family and the Murdoch family was 239 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: even more pronounced in marry and I think after they 240 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: had married, and you know, and you can kind of 241 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: see that in the costume costume choices and uh, that 242 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: customer designer went above and beyond. He was so brilliant. 243 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: He had this thing. He found out that their parents 244 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: had gotten them engraved lockets when they I want to say, 245 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: graduated high school, I graduated college, and they had their 246 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: initials on it, and he found the same kind of 247 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: luck and had them engraved and we saw them. He 248 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: never saw they were touched in my collar like mine 249 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: was tucked in my collar. But he was like, He's like, 250 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever get to see them. 251 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Oh, I love this so much, don't you love him? 252 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, well, And this is the thing. 253 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: I think that people who aren't involved in entertainment really 254 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: like you, people from the outside, might not understand why 255 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: something is good right in general, like why did I 256 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: respond to this movie or this show? And it's all 257 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: of these pieces that inform everything. It's like a you know, 258 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: when it's the perfect storm of everybody has so much 259 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: care for their job and very similitude. 260 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: You know that the principle of it being as authentic 261 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: as possible, that sort of specificity, even if you're unaware 262 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: of it, it rings true. It has an undeniable ara 263 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: of truth, and I think that hooks people, That makes 264 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: them kind of lean in and pay attention more. This 265 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: is always great theory anyway. 266 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: Mandy Mattey lis Ferrell talked about this about the emotional 267 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: truth of always keeping that you know where whenever you're 268 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: making a project, a narrative story about something real. 269 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: There's always that question of how much agency do you have? 270 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: What has to be truthful? 271 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: And you know that that baseline, being the emotional truth 272 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: is what's important. 273 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: And I feel that so much from this. 274 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: Sir Tricia, Well, I mean, oh great, then forget about it. 275 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: But I worked mostly with Right, but Patricia, I just 276 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: adored her. I felt such a connection with her. And 277 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: she's such you know, she's so free, she's I thought 278 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: this about Kiaren Culkin, although their energies are completely of course, 279 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: but Patricia is a director once corrected me that it's 280 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: not so great to be relaxed as an actor. You 281 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: always want to say, oh, she's so relaxed on set. 282 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: She's not relaxed. She's released, right, She's like free and 283 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: released and in the moment, and I so it was 284 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: so powerful, like you would feel like you'd slip into 285 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: that flow state with her, and it was just wonderful. 286 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: She's just such a very down to earth person. 287 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. 288 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: You could absolutely feel the connection between the two of you. 289 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 3: And also I started to feel as though they look alike. 290 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: They really could be sisters. 291 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: Is this real? So funny because we both are actually 292 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: blue eyed, and you know that they were. Do you 293 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: know about those No, not all, none of them had 294 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: brown eyes. But the Murdoch family, both sides of the family 295 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: brown eyed, and they wore which were extremely uncomfortable for 296 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: them because none of them I don't think war contacts 297 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: in real life. Oh god, yeah, but they have brown eyes, 298 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: which is that kind of a little bit unusual combination 299 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: of a brown eyed blonde. Right, So they're like, we 300 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: don't have in the budget. Yes, but do you know 301 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: somehow I don't know whether it's my imagination, but I 302 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: think on the stand in my eyes do love little 303 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: brown like when you see me in close ups, like 304 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: they don't look oh as they were, they're not really 305 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: blueish or blue green in my eyes, and sometimes they 306 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: look very conspicuously greenish bluish. Yeah whatever, And I'm like, 307 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: I kept like winding a bag going do they they 308 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: just willed them to look? 309 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: They will them you know? 310 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: Uh the other anyway, So they were they were hounds 311 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: for authenticity, which is I just respect it so much, 312 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: and yet those scenes that they had to invent are 313 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: filled with you know, he has they just have a 314 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: good ear. The writers have a really good ear for 315 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: Southerners and for family, and you know they really both 316 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: of them were, and the directors were great too on that. 317 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of those really great experiences 318 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: where you. 319 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: See everything right, where everything is functioning at a high, 320 00:18:50,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: high level. So when I spoke with Mandy and Liz, 321 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: they revealed that Marian no sorry Alec, went and lived 322 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: with Marian after the murders. 323 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: Did you know this? 324 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, or if I did, I've not 325 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: forgotten it because you know. 326 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: Is that the most insane thing I've ever heard. 327 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: So it's like he he kills these people and then 328 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: he goes and lives with her. It's almost like it's 329 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: so controlling and so twisted. 330 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: Well, he's truly psychotic. I mean, he's got a split. 331 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: He doesn't you know whatever that is. He's really truly. 332 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: Allegedly I'm being told to say allegedly. Everything I just 333 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: said was alleged. 334 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they may have told me that or 335 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: I may have read that, but I have blocked that out. 336 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: Now because and then she testifies against him, like that's 337 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: it's a beautifully you do a beautiful job in this 338 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 3: series of. 339 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: This and. 340 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: Just showing all of the sort of colors of that 341 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: entire thing. You know that she can feel like this 342 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: is her sister, but then wanting to protect the family 343 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: and knowing that that balance of like talk about that 344 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: a little bit. 345 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: That's really hard to do. 346 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like she's she knows she's 347 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: on the stand, and I think she unlike that. Look, 348 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: I think she has respect for right and wrong and 349 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: respect for the law, and I think she's you know, 350 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: she has to tell buster, Look, I have to I 351 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: have to tell the truth. I'm on the stand, and 352 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: this is about finding her their murderer. And she's very circumspect, 353 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: Like she says exactly the truth. She doesn't color it 354 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: with like, you know, she just has sort of a 355 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: matter of fact that I'm thinking none of my performance, 356 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: but of her the on YouTube of like you know, 357 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: he said, you know, someone must have planned this for 358 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: a really long time. But she doesn't say it with 359 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: like arching a brow or looking at him or you know, 360 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: insinuating anything. It's like just like very matter of fact 361 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: and very circumspect. And she just says as little as possible. 362 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: But you know that some part of her brain has 363 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: sorted out exactly how to make her point without being 364 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: flagrantly accusatory. You know, in fact, I think it's weird 365 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: because I do say that I think she was happy. 366 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: I know that I know that she wasn't always happy. 367 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: Do you remember this, I yes, you know in the testimony. 368 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: So I mean there were times in spite of herself 369 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: that she was like because I think and also the 370 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: way the show was fashioned was to underline I'm very 371 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: aware of Buster's feelings, you know, And so I mean 372 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: in the past tense because she was happy at some point. 373 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: But you know, it's I'm really being careful ye about 374 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: not overeaving seems to. 375 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: Me, I mean, that kind of pressure for her, I 376 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: just I can't even imagine. And you know, there were 377 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: so many things that Alex says were he he orchestrated 378 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: his own demises, essentially saying things like that or you know, 379 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: what a tangled web we weave. It's like he couldn't 380 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: help himself of sort of revealing. 381 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: Who he truly is. 382 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: I just I think we know some other people like 383 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 2: that in the public eye these days, just really feel 384 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: who are just unaware of consequences when it comes to 385 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: them because they feel like they're above the law and 386 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: they or maybe they're not even that's too conscious of thought. 387 00:22:53,760 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when our president his first term, 388 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: said I could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot 389 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: somebody and no one would care, you know. I mean, 390 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: I think that was like an innocent comedy made like 391 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: that's just a fact, you know. Yeah. I mean, not 392 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: that he was going to kill anyone or that he 393 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: you know, but that was such a telling thing and 394 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: that he just said it is it was almost something 395 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: he was proud of, and like, uh, you know, I 396 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: just do think some people, really I don't think they 397 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 2: can't They can't envision consequences for them, right, you know, 398 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: And in that little part of the world's real estate, 399 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: they were king, you know, right. 400 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the the accountability, you know, certainly, the 401 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: lack of accountability that I think is such a part 402 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: of so many of these things. And and well and 403 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 3: the fact that he never you know, Marian says, he 404 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: never seemed concerned about finding the killer. He was more 405 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: concerned about his son, you know, the case being dropped 406 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: against him, which is like I think the series does 407 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: a brilliant job of this too, where you're all of 408 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: a sudden like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait a second, 409 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: why does no one worried about who killed these people? 410 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: Like? 411 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Why is this not the biggest question? 412 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: You know? Exactly? Well, it is for Marion, and that's 413 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: why I think it was an important part, a small 414 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: but key role, both in the story and in the series, 415 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: you know, because she's like, but don't you want to 416 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: know who did do it? You know, like it was 417 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: very upsetting. 418 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 3: Right when do you think, again, you're just instinct or opinion? 419 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: When do you think that she fully believed that Alec 420 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: was guilty? 421 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if she. Well, when she fully finally did? 422 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: I think it's that. Do you remember the scene in 423 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: the police station where they finally play the cell phone footage, Yes, 424 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: and they'll all realized he was there. And I think 425 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: that's when this nickel drops for her. But I think 426 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: she's always picking up a signal that you know, there's 427 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: something very dangerous afoot, and even before it happened, I think, 428 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: you know, she just sends to say, your heads had 429 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: a sort of radar about that is It's. 430 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 3: Such a reminder and a lesson to everyone that when 431 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: we have those those instincts, that feeling, this spidey sense, 432 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: that's like this, something's not right, like this is not okay, 433 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: that it's so important to listen to those things, as 434 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: uncomfortable as it might be. Or as you know, no 435 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 3: one wants to have those conversations. Nobody wants to say, 436 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 3: I think your husband's violence or you know, whatever it 437 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: may be. 438 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: But you don't even want to believe it yourself, right, 439 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: It's like right, you want to look at it through 440 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 2: your beloved sister's eyes, you know, and at the same 441 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: time you can't quite ignore your spidey sense, as you 442 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: put it brilliantly, right, yeah. 443 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: Right, So this this family had power for generations. So 444 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: do you think that that kind of legacy creates blind spots? 445 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think they're in a small distinct part 446 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: of the world where they were born into having just 447 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: absolute authority in a way. You know, there's that feeling 448 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: all along from the boat accident on of like just 449 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: let me talk, let me do the talking, and just 450 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: he seemed at ease, really right. 451 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Right, like knowing there's no consequence. 452 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even I felt like it didn'tven occur 453 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: to them, like, well, I'll take care of this as 454 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: I always have done and has everyone before me. Has done. 455 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: And I believe that Michael told me that that if 456 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: you look back, I think it as Michael told me this, 457 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: that going back in the far history of the Murdocks, 458 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: there's all kinds of unexplained weird shit that from his forebears, 459 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: which is also just unplumbed depths of suspicious stuff. You know. 460 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: So you said the survivors of this family have one 461 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: of the roughest stories. What hit you the hardest about 462 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: what they've lived through? 463 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: Well, I feel so badly for Buster. I mean that's 464 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: but you know, and there's stuff that the series doesn't 465 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: even get into about maybe his past too, Like we 466 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: don't really know everything about some other shady things that happened, 467 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. But I can say about my 468 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: character at least I felt she was one hund percent 469 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: and innocent, drawn into a web of deceit and machinations 470 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: and I and it's almost like a Greek tragedy, like 471 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: the fact that she encouraged her to go back, Like 472 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: I feel so glad that I wish I could give 473 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: her a hug, which is a storing to say, but 474 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: I just that would be insufficient, and why would she 475 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: want a hug, But I just I mean, when it impossible, 476 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: that's really like out of a Greek play, isn't it. 477 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: It really is. I mean it truly is. 478 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: And the way it just keeps unfolding, it's it's unbelievable. 479 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: If it weren't real. I mean, it's like truly unbelievable. 480 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: Truth is structure than fiction. 481 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: It truly is. 482 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: So what was the hardest emotional scene for you to 483 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: shoot in the series. 484 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: I think maybe just the uh, the party scene where 485 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: he's making a toast and I later kind of get 486 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 2: him aside and like, well, who do you think did it? 487 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: And you know, and he just what you were referencing earlier. 488 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: That was difficult. I mean it was difficult a good way, 489 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: Like it was a because I think I'm a little 490 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: afraid of him m hm, on top of everything else 491 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: we talked about. Sure, I think I'm like, well, I 492 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: want to shoot me. 493 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's just me talking, but yeah. 494 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And that might be why 495 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: if he stayed with someone during the trial, he picked 496 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: her because maybe he felt like. 497 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Right, she was susceptible, she was afraid. 498 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: She was captured there because of by marriage being connected 499 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: to it sort of. But the insinuation within insinuations within 500 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: insituations in a huge group scene and you just you 501 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: only have like a couple of lines. That's when that's 502 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: when the hardest parts of the series were was to 503 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: get across that in just a little tiny crafted moments, right, 504 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: trying to get you know, I think she really wants 505 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: to know. She's not trying to. 506 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: Entrap him, right, she really wants to know. 507 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: She's also picking up on another part of her brain. 508 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: She's like, why is he acting like this? You know? 509 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: And there's a lot to do in a few little lines, 510 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: and Jason be moving around getting himself more and drink 511 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: more to eat, So I'd be like trying to stay 512 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: in my shot saying, you know, by. 513 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: Mark, let's talk about Jason Clark's work for like a 514 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: second or for ten years. Yes, He's like, I, I, yeah. 515 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: It's really on another level. 516 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: And I, as I said from the start, everyone is 517 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: wonderful in this series. He is like, was it as 518 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: chilling up close as it is to as a viewer? 519 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I mean, first of all, except for being 520 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: a big guy, you know, like I didn't think he 521 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: particularly looked like him, but he does. When he's acting 522 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: it like he. People kept telling me he looks so 523 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: much like him. I was like, he does. 524 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like no, he's like a handsome guy. 525 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he's channeling him so that yeah, yeah, yeah, 526 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: quite quite scary. 527 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: It's very very powerful. 528 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: Marian has stayed almost completely out of the spotlights since 529 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: the trial. And do you think, like, what do you imagine? 530 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: I mean, we've talked a little bit about this, but 531 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: I like, how does she function? I mean, does she 532 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: she doesn't have. 533 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: Does she is she married? Does she have her own family? 534 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: Well, as far as I know, I mean she did 535 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: at the time. She would refer to her daughters. She 536 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: had daughters while her her sister had sons, and the 537 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: sons were always rambunctious, and Maggie was always kind of 538 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: in overhead even just with them. So and whereas I 539 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: had daughters. And there's a couple of times in the 540 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: show that my character is saying, like, well, they're they're 541 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: they're they give me, they give me their own problem, 542 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: like you know, they're rambunctious in their way too, And 543 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: she says, remember we were we were kind of we 544 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: were not we did stuff. So as far as I know, again, 545 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: I just sort of had this feeling like once the 546 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: show was wrapped, I was like, I am not going 547 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: to I'm just gonna like, you know, not that she 548 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: would ever know or care what I was thinking or doing, 549 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: but I am not going to pry into her life anymore. 550 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: Like I just felt this incredible. She's so she seems 551 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: so private, even just the way like I think I'm 552 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: probably you know, she gets emotional in stand but being me, 553 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: I think I get more emotional, Like I think she 554 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: just had such a lid, not out of falseness, but 555 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: out of you know, poise and these ladylike and she 556 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 2: wanted to acquit herself well, and she wanted you know, 557 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: I have real admiration for her and real, as I've 558 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: said a million times, I just felt for her so much. 559 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: As far as I know she still is. I told 560 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: you the one thing I heard about her helping buster 561 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: her out and that for a life in Greenville. And 562 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: I think my friend said he's since moved, but I 563 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: have really tried just spiritually. I'm like, I, for one, 564 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: am not going to pry into I mean, if I 565 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: find out more crimes about that family, I would be 566 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: as fascinated as anybody. But in terms of the innocence involved, 567 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: the innocent ones. I don't want to, you know, have 568 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: that in my I don't want to be guilty of 569 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: that somehow, right if you understand, like it was incredibly 570 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: helpful that there was so much material on really all 571 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: the characters to different degrees, available online. But you know, 572 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: I just think their life, her life probably goes on 573 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: being difficult. It's such a the notoriety of it and 574 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: the huge you know, the layers of it, right. 575 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: And the violence of it was just silence so huge, 576 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: you know, to that end, the you know, true crime 577 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: audiences can be very intense, and you know they know everything, 578 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 4: all the timelines and the transcripts. 579 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: And did did you feel any pressure with regard to that? 580 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: And has anybody reached out to you telling you their 581 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: opinions about your performance or your interpretation. 582 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: No one has. If someone said something on social media, 583 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 2: I didn't catch it, but none of my friends. I 584 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 2: have a couple of friends who are interested in true crime, 585 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: like fascinated by it, and I find it fascinating and 586 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: I love a I love fiction or true crime on television. 587 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: I think a well made series about that love it. 588 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: You know. I'm just me too. That kind of thing 589 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: is just so fascinating, right, So, but I think they 590 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 2: just that was their strong suit, besides having cast that 591 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: family so well. Their strong suit was their attention to 592 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 2: detail and truth. And you know they had to edit 593 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 2: some because there was just vast amounts of material, right right. 594 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that like kept coming, also. 595 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: Kept that's right, kept coming. Yeah. Real, they did an 596 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: incredible job. They just had such a surfeit of, you know, 597 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 2: fascinating stuff that they had to contain in the eight 598 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: episodes or whatever it was. Yeah. 599 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was sad when it was over. I felt 600 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: like I wanted it to be longer. 601 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: It's a sequel. 602 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: Well, he continues to do absurd things, you know, the 603 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 3: phone calls from jail and all. I mean, it's just 604 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: a sort of endlessly fascinating. So why do you why 605 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 3: do you think people are so fascinated with true crime 606 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: and what and you know, watching series of it on TV. 607 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have anything profound or unusual to 608 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: say about that, except that I just think it's human 609 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 2: nature to be fascinated because I think there is a 610 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: basic human sense that we're all we're involuntarily making judgments 611 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 2: all day long. Every day of our own lives to 612 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: stay alive. That's like, we don't need to think to 613 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: take the next breath. We do it. We instinctively, We 614 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,479 Speaker 2: all of us have an instinct to stay alive, and 615 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 2: for most people to keep other people alive. You know, 616 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 2: people are famously jump in the water after someone, even 617 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: if they're scared of the water or they're you know, 618 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: famously you know. So I just think it's I mean, 619 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: this is just what I feel. But so I think 620 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: it's when someone doesn't have that piece in their psyche 621 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: that to whatever degree they step outside of that to 622 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 2: make a choice or to in the moment of inspiration 623 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: do something like kill someone. I just think it is 624 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: it's such a perverse break of human law, like of 625 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 2: involuntary built in law, Like it's like what you know, 626 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: that's my take on it. But I know that there's 627 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: kind of all kinds of killing that happens in the world, 628 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: such as warfare and all kinds of things that happen 629 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: where people compartmentalize and I don't know what they do 630 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 2: to live with themselves. But it's you know, dead tricky. Yeah, 631 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 2: you know, I just finished. I just in January shot 632 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 2: an episode of Elsbeth. Do you know that show Elle'sbeth. 633 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: It's a kind of a Columbus show. Elsbeth is a 634 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 2: character that was a good wife, then she was in 635 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: a good fight, and now there's its spent off that's 636 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: just about her. She was a defense attorney in those shows, 637 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: but she's now helps the police department in New York 638 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 2: City solve crimes. Is the idea yes O type you know, 639 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 2: I don't know if you watch those other shows, but 640 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: Carrie President is yes good in it, and she yes, 641 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: she's great. This character is the lawyer, has a d D. 642 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 2: And she's seemed to be very ditzy and capable and 643 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: then she's like, you know, her brain is just you know, clicking. 644 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 2: And so it's a really fun show because it's a 645 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: little bit like only Murders in the Buildings say, where 646 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: it's whimsical. It's funny, but there's still some tension because 647 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 2: there's a murder involved, you know, right, right, So the 648 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: every episode starts with her murder. The audience knows who 649 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: the murder is, just like Colombo did. And you watch 650 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: Elsbeth and you know, trap them and find out the 651 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: truth and nail them. Yeah, it's right not to be 652 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 2: a murder on Elsbeth this season, I think in fun 653 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: second and I haven't seen it yet, but I had 654 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: so much fun doing it. 655 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I will I'll watch that all day, 656 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: Like murder. She wrote, all that, you know, all that's. 657 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 3: Gosh, aside from the weird that the only thing doesn't 658 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 3: trans doesn't like sort of holdover for murder, she wrote, 659 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: little misogynist, but yeah, it's okay. So you've played so 660 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 3: many intelligent, layered women. What is it about Marian that 661 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 3: you find or found the most interesting? 662 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: Just that she had a private She seemed to have 663 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 2: a private life that was very rich, and it was 664 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: a unique opportunity, a unique challenge to have that be 665 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: not transparent, I mean hopefully transparent, like reveal that when 666 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: the very nature of her is concealed, like what she's thinking. 667 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: I thought that was I don't know if that's exactly 668 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: an answer to your question, but that's that was my 669 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: favorite thing about the character, like to yeah, in terms 670 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: of an actor, like being an actor, like I like 671 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 2: that problem to solve, you know, yes, very circumspect, deliberate, careful, 672 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: excellent manners. But the storytelling of it is you need 673 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: to know what she's thinking or or guess it, or 674 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 2: pick up on something that's something that's worrying her or 675 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 2: you know. But she's just she's tight lipped, and she's 676 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: she's conscious of being always ladylike and correct. And maybe 677 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 2: ladylike is a kind of an antiquated term, but that's 678 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 2: very it's a very South Carolinian property to ask like, 679 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, I have in the most respectful way. I 680 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: realized it's a bit updated to say that. 681 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she has to be the one because she 682 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 3: is the one that literally says on the stand, I 683 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: don't understand why this is this way, you know, like 684 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 3: she has to and it is. It's totally contrary to 685 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: her character, her demeanor. 686 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, her nature is. But she also I think that 687 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 2: just you know, she's it struck me, as she said 688 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: as little as possible, but got her pointed, yes right 689 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: like just so economic. Yes, I just that's why, I mean, 690 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 2: I just admired her so much. 691 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think I know the answer to this question, 692 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 3: but I'll ask it anyway. When you wrap a project 693 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: like this, does it linger with you or do you 694 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 3: just leave it behind? 695 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 2: Well, it lingers, but of course, but this time, this 696 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: kind of thing was so scary that I did psychologically 697 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: go shut the door there, Like I kind I didn't 698 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: watch it right away it was on air. I still 699 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 2: haven't finished watching it because it was really it was 700 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 2: very nightmarish like that. I remember Patricia saying just sort 701 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: out of the blue between you know, they're changing camera, 702 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 2: and she just said, this is so horrible, this is 703 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 2: so what a nightmare. It's like, who you think? I mean, 704 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 2: we've all seen horror movies that are really incredibly violent 705 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 2: and horrible. This was a true story that is playing 706 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 2: out horror, you know. And she just like I just 707 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 2: saw her think about that, and I thought, oh, she's 708 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: gonna have PTSD from this, you know, right right. But 709 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 2: but I didn't have that kind of role. But still 710 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 2: I just, you know, you didn't want to. You don't 711 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 2: want to foster some kind of priant, you know, interest 712 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: in a ghastly thing that happened to real people like 713 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 2: you don't want to. I didn't want to dwell on it. 714 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 2: So have you? 715 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: So you have not watched the whole thing. 716 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 2: I haven't watched the whole thing. I've watched some of 717 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: every episode, but I'm kind of like I have not 718 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 2: to the place yet where I could sit down and 719 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: enjoy watching the whole thing, do you know what I mean? 720 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 3: Interesting, So you would take you you've watched hearts of each. 721 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 2: I would set out to watch it, and I would 722 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 2: watch a little bit and I'd get uncomfortable and walk 723 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 2: out of the room and like so, but I know 724 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 2: what will happen. It'll be like I'll get a little 725 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 2: distance on it, right, and and I'll just sit down 726 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 2: and enjoy the hell out of it. Like you know, 727 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 2: I'm still I'm I'm I. I want to do a 728 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 2: rewatch of Succession because I watch those episodes. It's a 729 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 2: must or twice. I never saw an episode twice that 730 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 2: I'm aware of, And so I want to go and 731 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 2: watch that in a way that I would just be 732 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 2: in regular audience members, right, just enjoy it. 733 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: You know, you have so much many hours of joy 734 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 3: ahead of you for that we've already watched. 735 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 2: I've already watched it. Yes, well I'm going to do it. 736 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is really you know the nature of 737 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 3: this podcast is about talking about true crime obviously, and 738 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 3: the and how you create narrative around that. 739 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: And I feel like there is. 740 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: You know, this series of particular, and when it's done, 741 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 3: when things are done right there, they're really quite beautiful 742 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 3: in being able to transmit the human condition and the 743 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 3: experience and the nuance of these stories and how important 744 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 3: it is that they're they're told, and it really is 745 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 3: incredibly well done. And what do you hope that people 746 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 3: who have watched it or actually not, what do you 747 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 3: hope if Marion ever watches this or has watched it, 748 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 3: what do you hope that she takes away from it? 749 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that she watch it, but I would 750 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 2: hope that she gets some relief in I hope that 751 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 2: it seems truthful to her, and that that might be 752 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 2: in some horrible roundabout way kind of a relief like 753 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 2: do you know, just to have it, yes told, the 754 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 2: true story told. And I hope that she that I 755 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 2: hope that she senses the dignity I try to give 756 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 2: her character, because I feel like she's just a very 757 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 2: dignified person and a very person and respectable, you know, 758 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 2: the irony it's just you know that she would marry 759 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: into this family with very little sense of responsibility or 760 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,959 Speaker 2: and that she just I would hope that she would 761 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 2: pick up on that but you know who knows. She 762 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 2: might just think I'm a kook and like, why'd they 763 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 2: get her hurted by me? And you know who knows? 764 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 2: I mean like because imagine like. 765 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 3: I mean, I am certain of the multitude of things 766 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 3: that she could be thinking. 767 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that's even in but I. 768 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 2: Am kind of a kook, so I mean, she wouldn't 769 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 2: be wrong. 770 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 1: Listen from one cook to another. I am I'm on 771 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: that page. Well, Jay, you or such a joy. 772 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 3: I really mean it that. I'm so thrilled that I 773 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 3: got to spend this time with you. And maybe you 774 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 3: can come back and talk about being a playing a murderer. 775 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to time I got to do it in 776 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 2: criminal intent many years ago, but I can't. I can't 777 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 2: wait to find out. I decided my character on Elsbeth 778 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 2: emulated an a Windour. I'm not playing at a window 779 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 2: or anything. I'm playing in a weirdo who wants to 780 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 2: have that incredible authority and sense of style. 781 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. 782 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 2: I had fun inside of fun. Inside of fun. It's 783 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 2: really complicated. 784 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 3: You know well, I will definitely be watching that and Mardoc. 785 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 3: Death in the Family is an eight part series it 786 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 3: is streaming on Hulu. 787 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: I cannot recommend it enough. 788 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal series and you're terrific in it along 789 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 3: with everyone else. 790 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,399 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for spending this time with us. 791 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 2: You're lovely, you are to have a great day. 792 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 4: Thank you.