WEBVTT - The Hinterkaifeck Axe Murders 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:11.080 Welcome to stuff you should know Friendhouse Stuff Works dot Com. Hay, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.280 and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark, Charles W. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:23.160 Chuck Bryant, and Jerry Ye should know. Yeah. I would 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.000 say this is a bonus Halloween episode in a way 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.040 you can all look forward to our regular um add 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.200 free Halloween show on Halloween, the real bonus episode. Yeah, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.400 exactly where we do our traditional reading. It's all gussied 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.120 up by Jerry. But you were like, hey, since this 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.880 is Hallo weekend, almost right, why don't we just tell 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.360 the story of an X murdered family. Yeah? I hope 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.680 it didn't spoil it. I don't think so. I think 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.480 we probably would have gotten to that point eventually, right, Yeah, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.320 So we decided to just do a little creepy episode 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.520 this one. If you have your children, you may want 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.200 to vet this one because it's definitely about an X 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.480 murdered family. Don't be a sick Oh, it's up to 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.920 you whether or not you want to expose them to 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.120 this kind of treachery. This is bad stuff. Are you 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.920 ready for it? If you get your German pronunciation down. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:30.679 By the way, should we talk about Ki Chang hintet? Yeah, chung. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.960 More specifically, the irony of all this, why should I 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.400 ever get it right at all? The irony of all 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.520 this is I was almost right when I first said 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.720 it and said I don't think Chinese pronounces the X. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.320 But um, this one is just a little more. Stings 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.080 a little more because we made such a big deal 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.280 about it being correct and the pronunciation wasn't correct, but 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.360 we were misled on the internet. Yeah, and now that happens, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.520 it happens. Still got averything else, right, A dixia chang 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:10.440 is really chung sort of okay, And hinter kfec hinter 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.480 kaifek yeah right, Yeah, I looked over these. My German 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.440 is rusty, but I think I got them all. Yeah, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.240 most of them. I bet you're gonna stumble on one. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.440 But under that I don't even know which when you're talking, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.720 you know, this is what's gonna make it exciting. Man. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.440 Maybe we should have a sound effect when it happens, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:33.040 and I'll just like a boring Sure, okay, that'll disrupt 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.680 the spookiness. Well, let's get spooky, chuck, shall we. Because 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:44.200 there's a little town Um in Bavaria. That's correct, it's 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:49.600 Um between the towns of Ingle and Schrobenhausen, is that 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.239 either one of the ones he thought was gonna stumble on? No, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.720 I mean technically used to say like stot instead of stott. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.919 Oh well, I didn't realize we're getting technical. But you 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.520 know you're you're not in Germany. That's how an American 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:07.359 might say it, right, and by god, I'm an American. Um, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.000 although it's much closer to vad Hoffen, is that the 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.360 one I'm just gonna ask every time I said something 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.880 in German? Don't hear the sound effect. But there's a 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:24.200 little little tiny village, a town called Kafek and um no, well, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.440 the town, the village is called Kaifek. There was a 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.800 ranch basically you'd call it in America a dude ranch 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.120 maybe even, but not really. It's just a farm um 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.520 called hinter Kaifek. It was located a little bit outside 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.520 of this village, in the hinter land, you might call it. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.800 So this the name of this farm was hinter Kfek Kaifek. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:52.200 And on this farm lived a man, a woman, another woman, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.640 some little kids. This is going terribly, isn't it. No? 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.200 I think it's great. So the family who made up 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.920 this uh, the tendency of this farm. They were the groupers. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:13.400 Andreas Grouper was the father his wife. Um is this one? Okay? 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.640 All right, let me do this then you're ready. H 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:27.600 m hmmmmmm Uh. The wife's name was Cazelia Jelia Frank. No, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.080 if I'm not mistaken, If you begin a word with 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.840 C in German and it's pronounced like a like a 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.960 T s, yes for me, I think that would be 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:43.800 cet Celia. What that's not fair, Come on Germany. Um, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.320 tet Celia. Okay, Well let me ask you this. So 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.520 tet Celia? Yeah? Am I saying it right now? I 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.200 think cet Celia. Well that's Italian. It does sound so 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.680 te Celia is his wife. That's to be determined. Uh. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.680 Their daughter Victoria. So if there's a K instead of 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.120 a C, is it something else entirely? Or is it 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.600 Victoria Victoria? Okay? And there's two grandchildren. The oldest was 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:15.240 a granddaughter. Now she has an umlaut over her name, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.039 even though it's spelled otherwise, the exact same as her grandmother, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.600 Todd Celia. How would you say that? It would be? 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:28.479 Uh Celia to Celia? Yeah, Celia Celia and Todd Celia, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.360 Todd Celia, and cert Celia, so it would be like 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.600 toad Celia and tad Celia Jr. I don't know. I mean, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:42.520 I've never seen anyone name there. It just seemed unusual 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.240 to me. I didn't know if the first name was missing, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.000 the um out, or if they really named her after 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.440 her grandmother but added the um out. Maybe there's a 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.920 story there. Well, you know, Chuck as we'll find a 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.200 lot of the the details and facts of this case 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.120 have been lost to time. That's right. Lastly, there was 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.640 a little boy, two year old named Josef that was 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.599 Victoria's son, and Victoria Um was widowed. She was thirty five. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.920 I believe at the time that we come into hinter 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.920 Kaifek and Um, they all lived together relatively isolated actually 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:20.480 because they the groupers. Although they were wealthy and from 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.000 what I saw, held in somewhat high esteem or at 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.480 least treated Um with respect to their station, they were 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.320 very very much disliked as a family. Yeah, and there's 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.880 quite a few reasons for this. One is that, uh, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:41.839 the patter Familius Andreas was Um. He was not friendly, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.440 like to keep to himself, and apparently he was very 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.640 abusive to his wife and children children. He only had 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.600 one living child still at this point, was Victoria, And 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.040 we're in the way back machine, by the way, and 0:06:54.080 --> 0:07:01.479 it's nineteen two. Oh, we didn't say that. I don't 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.000 think so. So he was abusive. I don't know the 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.040 story of the passing of his other children, lost the time, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.840 lost the time. My immediate reaction was like, well, if 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.680 he was abusive and they're no longer round, maybe he 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.400 had something to do with it. Maybe, but totally Also 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.360 the time when like people routinely died from the flu. Sure, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.360 you know, that's a good point. Uh, so he was 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.360 a loner, he was abusive. Uh. There was the matter 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.160 of Yosef, the two year old daughter of Victoria. Uh, yeah, 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.400 she's daughter. I don't know where else going with that, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:42.160 um And he was rumored to have been born from 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.880 an incestuous relationship with her father Andreas Right, that was 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.480 the rumor in town, which smacks it to me of 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.120 small town nineteen twenties stuff. I'm not sure if I 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.320 bought that. No, but that was definitely the rumor in town. Yeah, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.160 but there was a significant number of people in town 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.000 who either believed that or we're very much aware that 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.080 other people believed that, Yeah, because he apparently was very 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.280 controlling of Victoria, kind of to the level of being 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.640 characterized as obsessed with her. Yeah, so it could very 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.760 well be true. Could loss of time could also have 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.240 not been true. And there's other reports that Joseph was 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.360 the son of another man in town who will meet 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:30.200 later on. Um, who at one point claimed paternity but 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.800 later on said no way. Especially I think when the 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.640 concept of alimony payments was brought up, he's like, no, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.480 it was a product of incests instead. So Victoria was 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.600 the only one supposedly that kind of spent a lot 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.840 of time in town and that people seem to care 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.040 for much because she sang in the choir apparently was 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.760 a very good singer, uh, in the church choir. And um, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:58.200 so this is the scene here in semi rule Bavaria. Yeah, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.959 and we we want to give a shout out. We've 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.920 given um. We We've found some other articles about the 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.079 case itself, but the main one that we started with 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.160 was from Mysterious Universe dot org, not a normal place 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.920 where we would get our stuff, but it's a good article. Yeah, 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.040 and we everything else I read about it, it's sort 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.920 of all checked out as being the same. So way 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.920 to go, Mysterious Universe dot Org. Good job, thanks for it. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.079 So things start to get a little weird on the 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.040 farm when the maid at the farm, whose name may 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.520 or may not be Maria, we don't know. Uh, she said, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.240 I'm out of here. I quit because this house is 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.400 uh haunted. Yeah, I'm hearing weird noises in the attic, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.840 hearing weird sounds all around the place. I'm hearing footsteps. Uh, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.720 I'm out of here. Yeah. And apparently she left pretty 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.400 quickly and suddenly, and the family so much so was like, yeah, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.320 I think she was mentally disturbed. Sure, that's an easy 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.920 way to quiet the townspeople if you don't want to. Yeah, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.719 you don't what people thinking, like a, I'm abusive and 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.120 be also living a haunted house, right, Yeah, you don't 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.840 want that. That's where you endow the line incest abuse. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.560 Sure that's allowable, but you don't want people to think 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.040 you've got ghosts, you know. Right. So the maid leaves 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.560 and that kind of sets the tone like that kicks 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:28.000 off this season of dread. Oh that settles over. Hinterkiek 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.800 would be a good name for the movie version of 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.000 this season of Dread. Yeah, I can't believe there's not 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.079 a number of like blockbuster movies about this. Yeah, I 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.520 looked it up. Apparently there were a couple that weren't 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:46.360 very big, um, but nothing, nothing that ever started rape fines. Well, 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.800 if it doesn't have him, who care? He would clearly 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.560 be one of the dudes in this, you know, maybe 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.440 even Andreas Gruber, who I keep wanting to call Hans. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.000 I'm gonna go ahead and nit, mate. You see the 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.760 name Drewber, and that's what jumps to mind. So the 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:08.080 maid leaves, and like I said, this, weird things start happening. Um. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.679 A few months later, Andreas is um wandering around his 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:21.200 property around, wandering around right, just looking aimlessly for something 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:27.040 to do. I think there was a snowstorm and he 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.280 was looking around to see, you know, if there had 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.240 been any damage, anything that need repairing, And he noticed 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.560 that there was a set of tracks in the snow, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.719 human tracks, footprints, I guess it's a better way to 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.440 call him, leading to the house. And they went right 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.400 up to the house. But he looked around and he 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.760 could not find any tracks leading away from the house. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.800 Super creepy, Just a single set though, Right, Yeah, it 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:58.280 wasn't like the footsteps like God carried him from there point. Well, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.760 that would be a single step set. Uh. Well, you 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.559 know the adage there were two sets of footprints and 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.000 then when there were only one. It wasn't that God 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.400 left you. It was when he was carrying you. Right, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.360 You're sorry. That's a great story. Whether even if you're 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.959 not religious, you got to see that and be like, man, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.040 that makes me feel good because anytime you get to 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:25.040 that point, Jesus goes zing. Doubt me, will you? Uh, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:31.400 it's the footprints leading to the house, not leading away. Creepy, creepy, creepy. Right, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.520 He was a little creeped out, so he said, let 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.959 me wander around more and see if I can find Well, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.000 at this point he wasn't wandering. He had purpose, So 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.360 let me not wander aimlessly, but let me go from 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:50.280 room to room and barn to barn room, barn room 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.559 to barn room, and find out this person that is 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.439 clearly on my property somewhere. Yeah, he did like a 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.839 hard target search, looking for somebody, either somebody hiding out 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.160 on his property or evidence that whoever left that track, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.880 those tracks leading to his house had left looking for 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.000 other tracks away from that, and he didn't find anything. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.160 He found nothing, no evidence of anybody, certainly didn't find anybody, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.599 didn't There was just nothing. Um. One thing though that 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.400 he did find that was kind of off putting to 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.240 him enough so that he mentioned it to neighbors was 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.280 that on his tool shed, which is separate from the barn, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.679 the tool shed had a lock on it, and the 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.960 lock had scratches or evidence that somebody had been trying 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.680 to either break it or pick it, and they were 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.320 trying to get into the tool shed, and he did 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.240 not like that. So this is this is again, this 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.960 is following on the heels of their they're made leaving 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.560 citing ghosts is the reason she left. Somebody has come 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.559 to their farm and not left. They tried to get 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.000 into the tool shed. The things are getting a little creepy. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.360 So in that case, it was a ghost sighting. See 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:07.400 I t I right, another accidental pun? Yeah was that accidental? Sure? Okay, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.440 you didn't mean that, did you? Did I say that? Yeah? 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.480 He said that she saw a ghost sighting. Oh wow, yeah, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.480 I guess that happens. Yeah. Um, I wondered, by the way, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.240 really quickly, if these footprints. If whoever did that did 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.200 the old shining trick, a little Danny was so smart 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.960 he doubled back in his footprints and it worked. Oh, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.680 it worked big time. Anyonce you've seen the end of 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.640 the Shining, can tell you. It sounds a lot like 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.400 I've been drinking today. I haven't at all of you. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.600 I've seen what you're drinking. You're drinking water. Uh. And 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.880 that's not the only weird thing that happened on Um, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.880 so that was in March. I'm sorry. Two more weird 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.880 things happened. So a set of keys go missing in March, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.280 and um, I don't know that one to me. People 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.800 lose keys, yeah, but if you're suddenly like there's is 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.040 there somebody like bringing around a property trying to get 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.440 into the tool shed? Now there's keys missing? Yeah, yeah, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.160 I could see that, the scratchy lock. And then the 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:16.600 other final weird thing in that month, they found a 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:21.240 strange newspaper on the porch and I looked up because 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.400 I didn't know what strange newspaper meant. So I tried 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.360 to find out what the deal was, and everywhere I 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.800 went just said it was it was a newspaper that 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.280 I couldn't get if it was like, was it from 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:38.920 Russia or was it super greety um? And all I 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.760 found was that it was. That I could gather was 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.120 that it was a newspaper that they did not expect 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.480 to be there for some reason or another. Either they 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.800 didn't subscribe to, it wasn't in their town, or just 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.280 some just random newspaper being on their porch with what matters. Yeah, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.080 I couldn't find anything beyond that as well. Yeah, there 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.960 was one other last thing. And all of this is 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.320 now starting to take place over just the of a 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.720 couple of dates. Things are getting like weirder at a 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:08.720 much faster pace. Uh. Andreas himself, who I've not taken 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.880 to be a very superstitious person um started to notice 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.520 sounds coming from the attic, the same kind of like 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:20.240 disembodied footfalls that the maid had sighted um as a 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:26.080 ghost sighting. So he's sitting there like, okay, keys are missing, 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.160 somebody's trying to get into tools shed. Those tracks are 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.040 really messing with me. And now I'm hearing things. I'm 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.440 hearing people in my own house and there's a Chicago 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.840 Tribune from Things have gotten weird. Al Right, Should we 0:16:38.880 --> 0:17:07.359 take a break. Yeah, alright, things are weird. This is 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:13.760 in March, the last day of March nine. All right, Uh, 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.640 a new maid comes on the scene named Maria for sure. Yeah, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:24.240 this one's confirmed. Okay. She on her first day on 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.440 the job. It proved to not be a very good 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:33.240 first day at work for one really good reason. Ah 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.720 that we'll get to in a minute. Okay, we'll tease 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.120 it out a little bit more. Okay, So she comes 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:43.000 to work, she's working. Everything's totally normal. Uh, as far 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:48.119 as anyone around the hinter Kaifek Farm is concerned, like 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.600 the neighbors and all, that is just a totally normal day. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.760 But in a few days they would realize that this day, 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.600 March thirty one, was the last day anyone could say 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.280 for sir and that they had seen any of the 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:09.040 groupers alive. Correct. So flash forward a few days April four. Uh, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.919 people were a little weird. They were like, you know what, uh, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.800 st Celia, it's not in school, which is unusual. Um, 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.359 no one's been to church. We missed that sweet sweet 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.360 voice of Victoria up there. Yeah that was highly unusual 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.000 as well, Like Victoria did not miss church, did not 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.760 miss squire. I'm assuming not only did she love to sing, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.679 but this is like her one weekly excuse to get 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.000 out of the house. I could see that. Uh, and 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.919 so they said. And also the male had been piling 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.560 up supposedly right at the post office because they didn't 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.160 use stamps dot com. Right, they would have if they'd 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.320 had the technology. Believe me, that's right. That was free. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.959 So the neighbors say, no, let's go check on them. Um, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:02.200 apparently they went at that other neighbors, right, really they do. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:07.200 You should like him that much and just lets it go. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.240 It's a neighborly thing to do. We're Bavarians. So what 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.879 we do so that this little search party goes to 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.440 the house to go check on things. And the house 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.879 is just the The whole farm is just eerily quiet. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.879 Everything's just kind of there's not a sign of life. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:31.000 There's a dog barking that the grouper dog was a 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.639 Pomeranian actually, and this is the time of Pomeranians were 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.320 a little bigger and stockier and uh, but barked nonetheless 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:43.320 just as just like any other pomeranian then. And stock here, yeah, 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.680 German stock. And the Pomeranian was barking its head off. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.600 It was well known to be pretty just kind of 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.200 a jerky little watchdog, but it was good for that. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.000 But what was odd was that it was tied up 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.440 in the far in the barn. This is a house 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.000 dog that the groupers caps. That was a little weird, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.000 but otherwise it seemed okay. The horses in the other 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.880 livestock seemed okay and well fed or whatever. And then 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.439 somebody looked a little further into the barn and they 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.680 made what would be the first of a couple really 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:22.040 really gruesome discoveries. They found some of the groupers bludgeoned 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:28.200 to death. That's right, Andreas, the papa, daughter of Victoria, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:34.119 and dear old set Celia the granddaughter in the barn, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:39.160 stacked one on top of the other, bled to death, 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.280 bludgeoned to death only in the head area, largely in 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.919 the head area, like the the attacks were. The attacks 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.480 were definitely concentrated on their head and face. Yeah uh. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.080 And they were covered with hay um, not completely covered. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.840 There are pictures of this, by the way, did you 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.320 look at the crime scene creepy? Oh yeah, and see 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.240 them in the barn with the hay very graphic, So 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.440 be aware if you're googling that right now. Uh, so 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.920 they were they were dead and had been dead for 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.280 a little while, which we'll get to. Uh. They go 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:21.040 inside and they find poor little Joseph, just horrific two 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.159 year old was found dead, also bludge into death in 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.600 his cot in mom's bedroom. And then the maid on 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.119 her first day on the job, was killed in her 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:37.000 bed as well. And um, andreas his wife said, Zelia, 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.600 she was in the barn as well. Oh did I 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.480 miss that? Okay, So four of them in the barn, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.680 two in the house, all killed in the same manner, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.440 and all covered up in some way, whether it was 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.280 hay or sheets or clothing. Um, which is a weird 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.199 thing to do. Yeah, it's very weird. Although it would, um, 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.200 it would become evident why in a little bit once 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.600 they started questioning the neighbors. So the day after the 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:10.600 bodies were found, uh, doctor Dr Johann Ar Mueller performed 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.080 the autopsies in the barn, and he decided that what 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.359 had been used as a murder weapon was a type 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.400 of pick axe called the matic um. Although the murder 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.399 weapon wasn't found for another year actually after that, um, 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.119 the doctor concluded quite rightly that it was a magic 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.200 that had been used. And if you've ever seen you know, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.560 like a pick axe, but the other end is like 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.879 blunt and wide, that's a matic. And whoever killed the 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.920 groupers and the maid did it with that, which is horrific. 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:50.400 Even worse than that, though, they found um in Zelia's 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.040 hands clenched in her fists tufts of her own hair, 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.199 so there was evidence that she had survived, for they 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.879 think several hours after she was attacked and watched her 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.520 other family members attacked in and pulled out her own 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.440 hair for whatever reason, I let'ld say that was a 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.800 good enough reason. Victoria showed signs of strangulation, but they 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.439 determined that was not the cause of death, and by 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:20.080 all accounts, everyone else died pretty much immediately upon receiving 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:25.280 that pick axe to the head. Um Most of the 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.359 victims were in bed clothes, except for Victoria and to 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.600 Celia there were in the regular clothes, which seemed to 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:33.840 indicate that its probably happened in the evening. Some people 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.560 were already getting ready for bed, some people had not yet. 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:42.119 And they also think that the the groupers were lured 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.080 one by one out to the barn kind of Scooby 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:49.480 Doo fashion. Yeah, because clearly when't all them killed at once, 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.920 because there was no signs of struggle, like uh yeah, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.040 maybe one person went out and died and then then 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.280 the other person was like it hadn't been back for 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:03.360 a while, and then they died, and then again and again. Horrific, 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.320 So there was some other, Um, there was weirdness beyond that, 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.320 beyond these the just the horrific nous of the crime 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.919 and the fact that the bodies were covered up. Um, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.639 this was April fourth, right, they figured out that the 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.040 bodies had been killed or the people have been killed 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.440 on March thirty one, that was the last time anybody 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.200 had seen them alive. But the neighbors said, well, wait 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.359 a minute, that's really weird because like we saw signs 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.159 of life coming from the farm all weekend. There was 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.040 smoke coming out of the chimney the whole weekend. The 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:39.439 the live stock has been fed. The dogs clearly eaten, 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.600 Like if if they hadn't been fed or cared for 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.560 in four or five days, they'd be showing signs of 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.840 it by now. But you can tell that they they were. 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:52.200 They were tended to like this whole time. So what 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.159 is that even the house itself, it showed evidence that 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.119 someone had eaten a meal there recently, were more recently 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.600 than four or five days ago. Uh, the bed looked 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.000 like it had been slept in since that time. Uh. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.679 And like we mentioned earlier that Pomeranian was tied up. Um, 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.200 I saw different accounts on whether the dog was somewhat 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.520 injured or not. Um, so let's just say the dog 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.399 might have been hurt some but ultimately was fine and 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.600 like you know, wasn't killed or anything. Yeah, yeah, it was. 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.159 It was not injured, I think, right. So what this 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.680 all signs point to the fact that someone killed this 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.960 family and then hung out there for a few days. 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:33.840 But even even more stirring is the idea that the 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.880 person who killed them may have been the one who 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.240 left the footprints and stayed in their house waiting to 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:45.240 kill them, perhaps killed them and then stayed in the 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.640 house for a few days after taking care of everything. Yeah, 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.840 just living the living the life. Very strange. Yeah, So 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:58.960