1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know Friendhouse Stuff Works dot Com. Hay, 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark, Charles W. 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and Jerry Ye should know. Yeah. I would 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: say this is a bonus Halloween episode in a way 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: you can all look forward to our regular um add 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: free Halloween show on Halloween, the real bonus episode. Yeah, 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: exactly where we do our traditional reading. It's all gussied 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: up by Jerry. But you were like, hey, since this 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: is Hallo weekend, almost right, why don't we just tell 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: the story of an X murdered family. Yeah? I hope 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: it didn't spoil it. I don't think so. I think 12 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: we probably would have gotten to that point eventually, right, Yeah, 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: So we decided to just do a little creepy episode 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: this one. If you have your children, you may want 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: to vet this one because it's definitely about an X 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: murdered family. Don't be a sick Oh, it's up to 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: you whether or not you want to expose them to 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: this kind of treachery. This is bad stuff. Are you 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: ready for it? If you get your German pronunciation down. 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: By the way, should we talk about Ki Chang hintet? Yeah, chung. 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: More specifically, the irony of all this, why should I 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: ever get it right at all? The irony of all 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: this is I was almost right when I first said 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: it and said I don't think Chinese pronounces the X. 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: But um, this one is just a little more. Stings 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: a little more because we made such a big deal 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: about it being correct and the pronunciation wasn't correct, but 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: we were misled on the internet. Yeah, and now that happens, 29 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: it happens. Still got averything else, right, A dixia chang 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: is really chung sort of okay, And hinter kfec hinter 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: kaifek yeah right, Yeah, I looked over these. My German 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: is rusty, but I think I got them all. Yeah, 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: most of them. I bet you're gonna stumble on one. 34 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: But under that I don't even know which when you're talking, 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, this is what's gonna make it exciting. Man. 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Maybe we should have a sound effect when it happens, 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: and I'll just like a boring Sure, okay, that'll disrupt 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: the spookiness. Well, let's get spooky, chuck, shall we. Because 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: there's a little town Um in Bavaria. That's correct, it's 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: Um between the towns of Ingle and Schrobenhausen, is that 41 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: either one of the ones he thought was gonna stumble on? No, 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean technically used to say like stot instead of stott. 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: Oh well, I didn't realize we're getting technical. But you 44 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: know you're you're not in Germany. That's how an American 45 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: might say it, right, and by god, I'm an American. Um, 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: although it's much closer to vad Hoffen, is that the 47 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: one I'm just gonna ask every time I said something 48 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: in German? Don't hear the sound effect. But there's a 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: little little tiny village, a town called Kafek and um no, well, 50 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: the town, the village is called Kaifek. There was a 51 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: ranch basically you'd call it in America a dude ranch 52 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: maybe even, but not really. It's just a farm um 53 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: called hinter Kaifek. It was located a little bit outside 54 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: of this village, in the hinter land, you might call it. 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: So this the name of this farm was hinter Kfek Kaifek. 56 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: And on this farm lived a man, a woman, another woman, 57 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: some little kids. This is going terribly, isn't it. No? 58 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: I think it's great. So the family who made up 59 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: this uh, the tendency of this farm. They were the groupers. 60 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Andreas Grouper was the father his wife. Um is this one? Okay? 61 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: All right, let me do this then you're ready. H 62 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: m hmmmmmm Uh. The wife's name was Cazelia Jelia Frank. No, 63 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, If you begin a word with 64 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: C in German and it's pronounced like a like a 65 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: T s, yes for me, I think that would be 66 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: cet Celia. What that's not fair, Come on Germany. Um, 67 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: tet Celia. Okay, Well let me ask you this. So 68 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: tet Celia? Yeah? Am I saying it right now? I 69 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: think cet Celia. Well that's Italian. It does sound so 70 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: te Celia is his wife. That's to be determined. Uh. 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Their daughter Victoria. So if there's a K instead of 72 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: a C, is it something else entirely? Or is it 73 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Victoria Victoria? Okay? And there's two grandchildren. The oldest was 74 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: a granddaughter. Now she has an umlaut over her name, 75 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: even though it's spelled otherwise, the exact same as her grandmother, 76 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: Todd Celia. How would you say that? It would be? 77 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: Uh Celia to Celia? Yeah, Celia Celia and Todd Celia, 78 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: Todd Celia, and cert Celia, so it would be like 79 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: toad Celia and tad Celia Jr. I don't know. I mean, 80 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone name there. It just seemed unusual 81 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know if the first name was missing, 82 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: the um out, or if they really named her after 83 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: her grandmother but added the um out. Maybe there's a 84 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: story there. Well, you know, Chuck as we'll find a 85 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: lot of the the details and facts of this case 86 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: have been lost to time. That's right. Lastly, there was 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: a little boy, two year old named Josef that was 88 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: Victoria's son, and Victoria Um was widowed. She was thirty five. 89 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: I believe at the time that we come into hinter 90 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: Kaifek and Um, they all lived together relatively isolated actually 91 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: because they the groupers. Although they were wealthy and from 92 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: what I saw, held in somewhat high esteem or at 93 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: least treated Um with respect to their station, they were 94 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: very very much disliked as a family. Yeah, and there's 95 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: quite a few reasons for this. One is that, uh, 96 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: the patter Familius Andreas was Um. He was not friendly, 97 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: like to keep to himself, and apparently he was very 98 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: abusive to his wife and children children. He only had 99 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: one living child still at this point, was Victoria, And 100 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: we're in the way back machine, by the way, and 101 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: it's nineteen two. Oh, we didn't say that. I don't 102 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: think so. So he was abusive. I don't know the 103 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: story of the passing of his other children, lost the time, 104 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: lost the time. My immediate reaction was like, well, if 105 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: he was abusive and they're no longer round, maybe he 106 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: had something to do with it. Maybe, but totally Also 107 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: the time when like people routinely died from the flu. Sure, 108 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, that's a good point. Uh, so he was 109 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: a loner, he was abusive. Uh. There was the matter 110 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: of Yosef, the two year old daughter of Victoria. Uh, yeah, 111 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: she's daughter. I don't know where else going with that, 112 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: um And he was rumored to have been born from 113 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: an incestuous relationship with her father Andreas Right, that was 114 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: the rumor in town, which smacks it to me of 115 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: small town nineteen twenties stuff. I'm not sure if I 116 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: bought that. No, but that was definitely the rumor in town. Yeah, 117 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: but there was a significant number of people in town 118 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: who either believed that or we're very much aware that 119 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: other people believed that, Yeah, because he apparently was very 120 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: controlling of Victoria, kind of to the level of being 121 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: characterized as obsessed with her. Yeah, so it could very 122 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: well be true. Could loss of time could also have 123 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: not been true. And there's other reports that Joseph was 124 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: the son of another man in town who will meet 125 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: later on. Um, who at one point claimed paternity but 126 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: later on said no way. Especially I think when the 127 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: concept of alimony payments was brought up, he's like, no, 128 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: it was a product of incests instead. So Victoria was 129 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the only one supposedly that kind of spent a lot 130 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: of time in town and that people seem to care 131 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: for much because she sang in the choir apparently was 132 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: a very good singer, uh, in the church choir. And um, 133 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: so this is the scene here in semi rule Bavaria. Yeah, 134 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: and we we want to give a shout out. We've 135 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: given um. We We've found some other articles about the 136 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: case itself, but the main one that we started with 137 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: was from Mysterious Universe dot org, not a normal place 138 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: where we would get our stuff, but it's a good article. Yeah, 139 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: and we everything else I read about it, it's sort 140 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: of all checked out as being the same. So way 141 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: to go, Mysterious Universe dot Org. Good job, thanks for it. 142 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: So things start to get a little weird on the 143 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: farm when the maid at the farm, whose name may 144 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: or may not be Maria, we don't know. Uh, she said, 145 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I quit because this house is 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: uh haunted. Yeah, I'm hearing weird noises in the attic, 147 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: hearing weird sounds all around the place. I'm hearing footsteps. Uh, 148 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Yeah. And apparently she left pretty 149 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: quickly and suddenly, and the family so much so was like, yeah, 150 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I think she was mentally disturbed. Sure, that's an easy 151 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: way to quiet the townspeople if you don't want to. Yeah, 152 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: you don't what people thinking, like a, I'm abusive and 153 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: be also living a haunted house, right, Yeah, you don't 154 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: want that. That's where you endow the line incest abuse. 155 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: Sure that's allowable, but you don't want people to think 156 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: you've got ghosts, you know. Right. So the maid leaves 157 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and that kind of sets the tone like that kicks 158 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: off this season of dread. Oh that settles over. Hinterkiek 159 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: would be a good name for the movie version of 160 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: this season of Dread. Yeah, I can't believe there's not 161 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: a number of like blockbuster movies about this. Yeah, I 162 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: looked it up. Apparently there were a couple that weren't 163 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: very big, um, but nothing, nothing that ever started rape fines. Well, 164 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: if it doesn't have him, who care? He would clearly 165 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: be one of the dudes in this, you know, maybe 166 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: even Andreas Gruber, who I keep wanting to call Hans. 167 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and nit, mate. You see the 168 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: name Drewber, and that's what jumps to mind. So the 169 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: maid leaves, and like I said, this, weird things start happening. Um. 170 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: A few months later, Andreas is um wandering around his 171 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: property around, wandering around right, just looking aimlessly for something 172 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: to do. I think there was a snowstorm and he 173 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: was looking around to see, you know, if there had 174 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: been any damage, anything that need repairing, And he noticed 175 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: that there was a set of tracks in the snow, 176 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: human tracks, footprints, I guess it's a better way to 177 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: call him, leading to the house. And they went right 178 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: up to the house. But he looked around and he 179 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: could not find any tracks leading away from the house. 180 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Super creepy, Just a single set though, Right, Yeah, it 181 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: wasn't like the footsteps like God carried him from there point. Well, 182 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: that would be a single step set. Uh. Well, you 183 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: know the adage there were two sets of footprints and 184 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: then when there were only one. It wasn't that God 185 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: left you. It was when he was carrying you. Right, 186 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: You're sorry. That's a great story. Whether even if you're 187 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: not religious, you got to see that and be like, man, 188 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: that makes me feel good because anytime you get to 189 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: that point, Jesus goes zing. Doubt me, will you? Uh, 190 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: it's the footprints leading to the house, not leading away. Creepy, creepy, creepy. Right, 191 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: He was a little creeped out, so he said, let 192 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: me wander around more and see if I can find Well, 193 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: at this point he wasn't wandering. He had purpose, So 194 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: let me not wander aimlessly, but let me go from 195 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: room to room and barn to barn room, barn room 196 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: to barn room, and find out this person that is 197 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: clearly on my property somewhere. Yeah, he did like a 198 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: hard target search, looking for somebody, either somebody hiding out 199 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: on his property or evidence that whoever left that track, 200 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: those tracks leading to his house had left looking for 201 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: other tracks away from that, and he didn't find anything. 202 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: He found nothing, no evidence of anybody, certainly didn't find anybody, 203 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: didn't There was just nothing. Um. One thing though that 204 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: he did find that was kind of off putting to 205 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: him enough so that he mentioned it to neighbors was 206 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: that on his tool shed, which is separate from the barn, 207 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: the tool shed had a lock on it, and the 208 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: lock had scratches or evidence that somebody had been trying 209 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: to either break it or pick it, and they were 210 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: trying to get into the tool shed, and he did 211 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: not like that. So this is this is again, this 212 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: is following on the heels of their they're made leaving 213 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: citing ghosts is the reason she left. Somebody has come 214 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: to their farm and not left. They tried to get 215 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: into the tool shed. The things are getting a little creepy. 216 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: So in that case, it was a ghost sighting. See 217 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I t I right, another accidental pun? Yeah was that accidental? Sure? Okay, 218 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: you didn't mean that, did you? Did I say that? Yeah? 219 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: He said that she saw a ghost sighting. Oh wow, yeah, 220 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: I guess that happens. Yeah. Um, I wondered, by the way, 221 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: really quickly, if these footprints. If whoever did that did 222 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: the old shining trick, a little Danny was so smart 223 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: he doubled back in his footprints and it worked. Oh, 224 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: it worked big time. Anyonce you've seen the end of 225 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: the Shining, can tell you. It sounds a lot like 226 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I've been drinking today. I haven't at all of you. 227 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: I've seen what you're drinking. You're drinking water. Uh. And 228 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: that's not the only weird thing that happened on Um, 229 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: so that was in March. I'm sorry. Two more weird 230 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: things happened. So a set of keys go missing in March, 231 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: and um, I don't know that one to me. People 232 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: lose keys, yeah, but if you're suddenly like there's is 233 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: there somebody like bringing around a property trying to get 234 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: into the tool shed? Now there's keys missing? Yeah, yeah, 235 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: I could see that, the scratchy lock. And then the 236 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: other final weird thing in that month, they found a 237 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: strange newspaper on the porch and I looked up because 238 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know what strange newspaper meant. So I tried 239 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: to find out what the deal was, and everywhere I 240 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: went just said it was it was a newspaper that 241 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't get if it was like, was it from 242 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Russia or was it super greety um? And all I 243 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: found was that it was. That I could gather was 244 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: that it was a newspaper that they did not expect 245 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: to be there for some reason or another. Either they 246 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: didn't subscribe to, it wasn't in their town, or just 247 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: some just random newspaper being on their porch with what matters. Yeah, 248 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything beyond that as well. Yeah, there 249 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: was one other last thing. And all of this is 250 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: now starting to take place over just the of a 251 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: couple of dates. Things are getting like weirder at a 252 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: much faster pace. Uh. Andreas himself, who I've not taken 253 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: to be a very superstitious person um started to notice 254 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: sounds coming from the attic, the same kind of like 255 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: disembodied footfalls that the maid had sighted um as a 256 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: ghost sighting. So he's sitting there like, okay, keys are missing, 257 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: somebody's trying to get into tools shed. Those tracks are 258 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: really messing with me. And now I'm hearing things. I'm 259 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: hearing people in my own house and there's a Chicago 260 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Tribune from Things have gotten weird. Al Right, Should we 261 00:16:38,880 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: take a break. Yeah, alright, things are weird. This is 262 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: in March, the last day of March nine. All right, Uh, 263 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: a new maid comes on the scene named Maria for sure. Yeah, 264 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: this one's confirmed. Okay. She on her first day on 265 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: the job. It proved to not be a very good 266 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: first day at work for one really good reason. Ah 267 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: that we'll get to in a minute. Okay, we'll tease 268 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: it out a little bit more. Okay, So she comes 269 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: to work, she's working. Everything's totally normal. Uh, as far 270 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: as anyone around the hinter Kaifek Farm is concerned, like 271 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: the neighbors and all, that is just a totally normal day. 272 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: But in a few days they would realize that this day, 273 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: March thirty one, was the last day anyone could say 274 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: for sir and that they had seen any of the 275 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: groupers alive. Correct. So flash forward a few days April four. Uh, 276 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: people were a little weird. They were like, you know what, uh, 277 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: st Celia, it's not in school, which is unusual. Um, 278 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: no one's been to church. We missed that sweet sweet 279 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: voice of Victoria up there. Yeah that was highly unusual 280 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: as well, Like Victoria did not miss church, did not 281 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: miss squire. I'm assuming not only did she love to sing, 282 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: but this is like her one weekly excuse to get 283 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: out of the house. I could see that. Uh, and 284 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: so they said. And also the male had been piling 285 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: up supposedly right at the post office because they didn't 286 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: use stamps dot com. Right, they would have if they'd 287 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: had the technology. Believe me, that's right. That was free. 288 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: So the neighbors say, no, let's go check on them. Um, 289 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: apparently they went at that other neighbors, right, really they do. 290 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: You should like him that much and just lets it go. 291 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: It's a neighborly thing to do. We're Bavarians. So what 292 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: we do so that this little search party goes to 293 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: the house to go check on things. And the house 294 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: is just the The whole farm is just eerily quiet. 295 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: Everything's just kind of there's not a sign of life. 296 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: There's a dog barking that the grouper dog was a 297 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: Pomeranian actually, and this is the time of Pomeranians were 298 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: a little bigger and stockier and uh, but barked nonetheless 299 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: just as just like any other pomeranian then. And stock here, yeah, 300 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: German stock. And the Pomeranian was barking its head off. 301 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: It was well known to be pretty just kind of 302 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: a jerky little watchdog, but it was good for that. 303 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: But what was odd was that it was tied up 304 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: in the far in the barn. This is a house 305 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: dog that the groupers caps. That was a little weird, 306 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: but otherwise it seemed okay. The horses in the other 307 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: livestock seemed okay and well fed or whatever. And then 308 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: somebody looked a little further into the barn and they 309 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: made what would be the first of a couple really 310 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: really gruesome discoveries. They found some of the groupers bludgeoned 311 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: to death. That's right, Andreas, the papa, daughter of Victoria, 312 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: and dear old set Celia the granddaughter in the barn, 313 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: stacked one on top of the other, bled to death, 314 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: bludgeoned to death only in the head area, largely in 315 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: the head area, like the the attacks were. The attacks 316 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: were definitely concentrated on their head and face. Yeah uh. 317 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: And they were covered with hay um, not completely covered. 318 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: There are pictures of this, by the way, did you 319 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: look at the crime scene creepy? Oh yeah, and see 320 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: them in the barn with the hay very graphic, So 321 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: be aware if you're googling that right now. Uh, so 322 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: they were they were dead and had been dead for 323 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: a little while, which we'll get to. Uh. They go 324 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: inside and they find poor little Joseph, just horrific two 325 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: year old was found dead, also bludge into death in 326 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: his cot in mom's bedroom. And then the maid on 327 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: her first day on the job, was killed in her 328 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: bed as well. And um, andreas his wife said, Zelia, 329 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: she was in the barn as well. Oh did I 330 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: miss that? Okay, So four of them in the barn, 331 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: two in the house, all killed in the same manner, 332 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: and all covered up in some way, whether it was 333 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: hay or sheets or clothing. Um, which is a weird 334 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: thing to do. Yeah, it's very weird. Although it would, um, 335 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: it would become evident why in a little bit once 336 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: they started questioning the neighbors. So the day after the 337 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: bodies were found, uh, doctor Dr Johann Ar Mueller performed 338 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: the autopsies in the barn, and he decided that what 339 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: had been used as a murder weapon was a type 340 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: of pick axe called the matic um. Although the murder 341 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: weapon wasn't found for another year actually after that, um, 342 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: the doctor concluded quite rightly that it was a magic 343 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: that had been used. And if you've ever seen you know, 344 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: like a pick axe, but the other end is like 345 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: blunt and wide, that's a matic. And whoever killed the 346 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: groupers and the maid did it with that, which is horrific. 347 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: Even worse than that, though, they found um in Zelia's 348 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: hands clenched in her fists tufts of her own hair, 349 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: so there was evidence that she had survived, for they 350 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: think several hours after she was attacked and watched her 351 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: other family members attacked in and pulled out her own 352 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: hair for whatever reason, I let'ld say that was a 353 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: good enough reason. Victoria showed signs of strangulation, but they 354 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: determined that was not the cause of death, and by 355 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: all accounts, everyone else died pretty much immediately upon receiving 356 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that pick axe to the head. Um Most of the 357 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: victims were in bed clothes, except for Victoria and to 358 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Celia there were in the regular clothes, which seemed to 359 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: indicate that its probably happened in the evening. Some people 360 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: were already getting ready for bed, some people had not yet. 361 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: And they also think that the the groupers were lured 362 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: one by one out to the barn kind of Scooby 363 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: Doo fashion. Yeah, because clearly when't all them killed at once, 364 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: because there was no signs of struggle, like uh yeah, 365 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe one person went out and died and then then 366 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: the other person was like it hadn't been back for 367 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: a while, and then they died, and then again and again. Horrific, 368 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: So there was some other, Um, there was weirdness beyond that, 369 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: beyond these the just the horrific nous of the crime 370 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: and the fact that the bodies were covered up. Um, 371 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: this was April fourth, right, they figured out that the 372 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: bodies had been killed or the people have been killed 373 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: on March thirty one, that was the last time anybody 374 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: had seen them alive. But the neighbors said, well, wait 375 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: a minute, that's really weird because like we saw signs 376 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: of life coming from the farm all weekend. There was 377 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: smoke coming out of the chimney the whole weekend. The 378 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: the live stock has been fed. The dogs clearly eaten, 379 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Like if if they hadn't been fed or cared for 380 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: in four or five days, they'd be showing signs of 381 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: it by now. But you can tell that they they were. 382 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: They were tended to like this whole time. So what 383 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: is that even the house itself, it showed evidence that 384 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: someone had eaten a meal there recently, were more recently 385 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: than four or five days ago. Uh, the bed looked 386 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: like it had been slept in since that time. Uh. 387 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: And like we mentioned earlier that Pomeranian was tied up. Um, 388 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: I saw different accounts on whether the dog was somewhat 389 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: injured or not. Um, so let's just say the dog 390 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: might have been hurt some but ultimately was fine and 391 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: like you know, wasn't killed or anything. Yeah, yeah, it was. 392 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: It was not injured, I think, right. So what this 393 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: all signs point to the fact that someone killed this 394 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: family and then hung out there for a few days. 395 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: But even even more stirring is the idea that the 396 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: person who killed them may have been the one who 397 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: left the footprints and stayed in their house waiting to 398 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: kill them, perhaps killed them and then stayed in the 399 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: house for a few days after taking care of everything. Yeah, 400 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: just living the living the life. Very strange. Yeah, So 401 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: the police started looking around pretty quickly for suspects and realizing, um, 402 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: well first we got to go with motive, I think 403 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: is what they said to themselves. Sure, like occasionally it 404 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: happens that there's a vagrant that comes through and kills 405 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: for money and robs and uh. The thing they found 406 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: out was that there was a little bit of fold 407 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: and money taken from the bodies, but there was a 408 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: lot of valuable jewelry and gold coins and other money 409 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: in the house that was not taken. So things weren't 410 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: quite adding up on the robbery front. Yeah, and especially 411 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: if somebody the person who killed them, if they were 412 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: planning on robbing them, they had four days to look 413 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: around and amuse themselves by robbing the whole house blind. 414 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: They certainly wouldn't leave this this stuff behind. Um. They 415 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: also found out in the investigation that Victoria Um had 416 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: emptied her bank account and had left a donation to 417 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: the church, But there was also a substantial amount that 418 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: just wasn't accounted for. Who knows what that was never 419 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: turned up lost of time, So robbery was kind of 420 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: discarded as a as a um A motive. But another 421 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: one would come to light soon. We'll talk about that 422 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: after break. You know, starting your own business can be 423 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: a difficult thing, especially small business, but developing your online 424 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: presence is the one thing that doesn't have to be difficult. 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Uh 443 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: So his name is laurenz Schlittenbauer and he was a 444 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: like I said, lived nearby. He was a suitor for 445 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: Victoria and she had always said, Uh, this guy's who 446 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: knocked me up, you know Yo's father. And like you 447 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: said earlier, he was like, for a little while, I 448 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: think he claimed paternity. But then when it's when he 449 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: found out what that meant he had to pay for that, 450 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: he's like, that's an English way. I didn't understand exactly 451 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: what is what is his paternity? So he backed off 452 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: of that claim, and later it was emerged emerged that Um, 453 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: she was about to sue him for a paternity when 454 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: before this murder took place. Right, So some people say, oh, well, 455 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: that probably set him off because he was remarried and 456 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: had a kid that had died sadly by that point, 457 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: so he didn't want this kind of scandal on his household. Sure, 458 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: and he didn't want to make the payments, right, especially 459 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: if he wasn't an under percent Sure it was his kid. 460 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: So if you look at the Schlittenbauer guy, some really 461 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: weird stuff starts to emerge. In addition to that motive 462 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: of not wanting to pay alimony for a little yosef, 463 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: the way he behaved um in the immediate wake of 464 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: the discovery of these murders was very bizarre. He was 465 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: part of the original search party that searched the house. 466 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: Suspicious first thing, Yeah, because a lot of criminals like 467 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: to do that. They like to go to the scene 468 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: of the crime as part of the search party. Right, 469 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: based on TV they did. Everything I learned from the 470 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: Flintstones points to this guy being suspicious. Uh. He also 471 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: um immediately started disturbing the crime scene, right, Like he 472 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: unstacked the stacked bodies. And when he did it, apparently 473 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: there were a couple of other guys there, and the 474 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: other guys were real shaken up by just being in 475 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: the presence of these horribly mangled bodies. Apparently, Schlittenbauer was 476 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: totally fine handling them. He's like, I got the head, 477 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: you get the legs. Uh. One of the men was 478 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: quoted as saying he disturbed everything there was to disturb, 479 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: so he had no qualms about going in there and 480 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: just having his way with that crime scene. Apparently he 481 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: was super familiar with the house itself. Um, which isn't 482 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: necessarily a It doesn't necessarily Yeah, if if, especially if 483 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: he was you know, dating Victoria, Yeah, well true, I 484 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: would call this part of the body of evidence though, 485 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: so he apparently went into the house from the barns, 486 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: which meant he knew they were connected. He unlocked the 487 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: front door from the inside, which is like did he 488 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: have a key or did he know where the key was? Uh? 489 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: Remember the missing keys? Uh. And then he also apparently 490 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: knew the maid's room handle was unusual and he had 491 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: to lift it up to enter and not press it down, 492 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: And apparently he just went right to it and lifted 493 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: it up. Um. Again, maybe he spent some time over 494 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: there with Victoria and knew these things. Like a lot 495 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: of this can be explained away, um in some ways. 496 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: They also said that the dog went nuts when he 497 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: was around. Yeah, Like that's him exactly, the wild You take, 498 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: take or leave that. That seems like local folklore to me. 499 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: The dog and he said it was because he had 500 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: blood all over issues from uh, disrupting the crime scene, 501 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: and the dog was like barking at that, which, by 502 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: the way, the two other searchers who were with him 503 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: while he was disturbing the crime scene asked him what 504 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: he was doing, and he said, he's looking for his son. YEA. 505 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: A couple of things weird about all this right. So, 506 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: if he's disturbing the crime scene to cover his tracks. 507 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: If he was the killer and the killer stayed behind 508 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: for several days, he had all the time in the 509 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: world to cover up his tracks. Why would he do 510 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: it in the presence of a couple of fellow searchers. Weird? 511 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: And then secondly, if he was the killer and he 512 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: was not trying to act um unaware, why would he 513 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: be looking for his son and the stack of bodies 514 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: when he knew full well his son was in his 515 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: room in the house. I guess this guy seemed like 516 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: he was not very good at misdirection. Uh, he had 517 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: no alibi for the night, apparently, his family said, And 518 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: this is where it gets I don't want I want 519 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: to say obvious. Maybe the obvious, it gets really suspicious 520 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 1: to me. His family said, Oh, no, he's the night 521 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: they were murdered. He's spent the night in the barn 522 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: because he knew that there was weirdness going on over 523 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: there and he was looking out for burglars. So he 524 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: spent the night in the barn that night. Okay, so 525 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: he spent the night in the grouper's barn, is what 526 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: what they're saying? No, no, no, their own barn. So um. 527 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: He apparently though had asthma, so that people were like, 528 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: why would he spend the night in the barn if 529 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: he had asthma? Smarty right, but that was his alibi, 530 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: which is pretty weak. Uh. He only lived fifty meters away, 531 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: which I think that's like nineteen miles. I'm just kidding, 532 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: what is it. It's like three football fields, right, Yeah, 533 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: I looked up the conversis it's not too far. Yeah. Um, 534 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: So he could have he could have been the one 535 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: coming back and forth. Like the fact that that there 536 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: were footprints leading one way doesn't to me signified that 537 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: someone spent six months hiding there. It could have been he. 538 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: He could have come and gone as he pleased and 539 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: then not been like away from his house too long 540 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: that anyone noticed. Sure, and maybe he walked in the 541 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: same footprints. Maybe he did do the Danny. Maybe you know, 542 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: he was the one who originated the Danny. He was 543 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: Danny before Danny was even born, that's true. Or maybe 544 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: he was Danny. Oh man, this this keeps getting and 545 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: the more we make up about it. That's true. The 546 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: other thing that he said that I thought was, I mean, 547 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: this is just I don't even know if I believe this. Apparently, 548 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: many years later, uh, when the murder was talked about 549 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: in like the bars and the beer gardens, he would 550 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: talk about it in the first person. When he speculated 551 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: about the killings. I don't buy that necessarily, don't either. 552 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: That sounds like something that people would make up in 553 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: a pub. He used to say, I killed them. No 554 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: one ever cared. Sure, I guess, so that was he 555 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: was the main living suspect. There was another suspect who 556 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: was brought back from the dead to be paraded around 557 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: as a suspect in this case. Yeah, not literally in 558 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: some ways, but no, not literally. This guy's name was 559 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Carl Gabriel and he used to be married to Victoria. 560 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: But he died in World War One in the trenches. Um. 561 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: And the reason that he was brought back as a 562 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: possible suspect is that people said, well, his body was 563 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: never shipped back home. We don't actually know that he 564 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: really did die. Maybe maybe follow me on, this is 565 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: what they said. Maybe he came back to reclaim his 566 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: wife found out that she had had an incestuous relationship. 567 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: He snaps, he kills everybody. Yeah, I don't buy this 568 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: at all. Well, no, they started the police, I think 569 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: in the Munich police department really apparently went to town 570 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of his murder over 571 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: the years. Yeah. And one of the other things that 572 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: pointed to him, supposedly was that in World War two, 573 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: another whole war later, uh, supposedly some people came forward 574 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: and said, uh, you know what, we met this Russian 575 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: German speaking Russian soldier that used to claim to be 576 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: the Hinokifet killer, and we think that that's Carl, right, 577 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: I guess, Okay, Yeah. The thing is the Munich police 578 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: apparently spoke to some of the men who were there 579 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: when he died and they described me and died. People 580 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: witnessed his his death. Even though his body didn't make 581 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: it back, it wasn't recovered, people saw him die, so 582 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 1: it was verified that he was died to I guess 583 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: at least the satisfaction of the police. And that was 584 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: a pretty weak link anyway, because supposedly the reason that 585 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: he fled for the war was to h it was 586 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: to fake his death, not why he fled for the war, 587 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: but that he faked his death to get out of 588 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: the marriage. So why would he get fake his death, 589 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: get out of the marriage, come back years later and 590 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: killed them all. Great, great question, Chuck. Yeah. I think 591 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: they answer that is he wouldn't or maybe it's the 592 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: perfect crime. Yeah, it's so nonsensical. He's listening right now. 593 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: Last it's the perfect crime. Uh? What else people talking about? Paranormal? 594 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: You know that it was ghosts and these strange noises 595 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: in this mysterious newspaper and all these footprints. Is because 596 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: there was some supernatural force out to get the family. Well, 597 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: that would account for the ghost say that you could 598 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: say that accounts for everything. That's why it's bunk. Yeah. 599 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 1: Um No, that one's not not a not a big one. 600 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: Although the Munich police very early on decapitated, had the 601 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: family decapitated, and their schools were sent for friends analysis, 602 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: and we're handled by clairvoyant who apparently was not able 603 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: to come to any conclusions about their faith or the killer. Yeah, 604 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: and those bodies were buried headless, because those heads eventually 605 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: went missing. Apparently they kept them in the Nuremberg I 606 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: guess in there one of their city government buildings, and 607 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: it was leveled in World War two. I think that's 608 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: where the skulls were lost. They think that was mixed 609 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: them with the other skulls. Is either that or the 610 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: ghost they did it. So for the cops part, they 611 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: interviewed over a hundred suspects over the years, including the 612 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: clear killer. To me um the neighboring man, Lawrence Schlittenbauer. 613 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: I just think it all points to him. He apparently 614 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: years later two was like God did the right thing 615 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: with his family, like they were awful people. And he 616 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: didn't say except for my possible son, the two year old. 617 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: He said, all of them they deserved it. So it 618 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: just kind of seems obvious to me that it was him, 619 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: because there was someone stayed there, someone knew the house, 620 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: someone took great care covering the bodies. It just doesn't 621 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: seem like a random burglary. No, that is a very 622 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: bizarre thing to do to stick around afterward unless you 623 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: feel like you're within your own safe zone. And if 624 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: you lived three and fifty meters away, yeah, maybe you 625 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: would feel safe there, Yeah, that you could retreat very quickly, yeah, 626 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: or know that, like I know, no one comes by here, 627 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: whereas if it was a burglary, they probably wouldn't feel 628 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: so comfy hanging out for days on end. So, yeah, 629 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: you're right, it probably was him, but no one will 630 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: ever be able to prove it one way or another. No, 631 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: they didn't have any hard evidence. No, and and the 632 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: evidence they did take, a lot of it was lost. Um. 633 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: This is nineteen twenty two, so a lot of they 634 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: a lot of forensic techniques hadn't been invented yet. It 635 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: was still being developed swear in the world. So in 636 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, UM a police academy in Munich got 637 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: their hands on the case. Some students did the Gutenberg 638 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: Police Academy, the first in feld Brooke. I'm just throwing 639 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: Brooke after you know, why not let's throw in another syllable. 640 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: Um that students from that police academy investigated this crime 641 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: and in Germany like it's pretty this is an enormously 642 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: famous crime. Huge there, it's there, Jack the Ripper. For sure. 643 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: It will never be solved, it's not possible being solved. 644 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: And this is the conclusion from those students at the 645 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: first in feld Brook police Academy. They said, we think 646 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: we know who it is, we're not. Since this is 647 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: unsolvable and it will never be able to be proven, 648 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 1: we're not going to name the person because they still 649 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: have relatives alive, but you can't guess it's the one 650 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: living suspect that anyone's ever really raised. It was helping him. Yeah, 651 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: they didn't say that. That was my conclusion of their conclusions. 652 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: And then they said, thank you Police Academy for your findings. 653 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: And where's the guy that makes all the funny noises 654 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: in his mouth? You know? Steve Guttenberg follows us on Twitter? 655 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: No way, yeah? Really yeah at Steve gut buck really yeah, 656 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: and he um is in like a Sharknado esque movie. 657 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what what the name of it is, 658 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: but he's in it with the guy who does the voices. 659 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh really, uh poison. His name Michael Something makes Michael something. 660 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: I will say that, And I think I mentioned this 661 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: on the show. Maybe that's why he follows us. Steve 662 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: Guttenberg was in one of the very best episodes of 663 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: one of my favorite TV shows, Party Down and Uh 664 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 1: did you ever see that? Joe Boy? It was good. Yeah, 665 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: it was really really funny. Had the great Adam Scott 666 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: and Lizzie Kaplan and one of my hero os, Ken 667 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: Marino from the State and Martin star Mega. Mallally was great. Well, 668 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: they were caterers, like cater waiters all actors and writers 669 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: and stuff in Hollywood, and each episode was its own 670 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: thing on catering event. And they had one where they 671 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: showed up to Steve Guttenberg's house for his birthday party 672 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: and he pulled up and he's like, oh, Man, like 673 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: I forgot to cancel. I really had the party a 674 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: couple of days ago with my friends. He's like, but 675 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: since you're all here, why don't we just have a party. 676 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: And so the waiters end up having a party with 677 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: Guttenberg and he like does some scene acting with them 678 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: and give them great wine, and he has great art 679 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: and he's just really really funny in it. Yeah, I 680 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: can imagine a dude. He seems so awesome. After watching 681 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: this episode, I was like, man, Goods is the best. 682 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: And I think they called them goots in the show 683 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: even this. Yeah, anyway, good shout shout out to party down, 684 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: great great show and Steve Gutenberg. Yeah, uh, do you 685 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: have a listener? Meal? Was this too spooky? For one? 686 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: He did great work on that bibleh Yeah, I gotta 687 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: listener to mail. Okay, Well, if you want to know 688 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: more about hinter kaifek um. You can go listen to 689 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class. I think they did 690 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: an episode that covered it as well. Uh you can 691 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: search Mysterious universe dot org and all sorts of other 692 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: places for it. And since I said, uh, hinter kaifek, 693 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: it's time for listening mail. Before we do listener mail, 694 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: we want to give a very special thank you to 695 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: uh Margaret and Mike in Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah, thanks guy. Yeah, 696 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: they stepped forward and helped Jerry out in a big 697 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: way as the stuff you should know Army is uh 698 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: often does. And uh, it's all we're gonna say other 699 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: than big, big thanks to you guys for helping out 700 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: for real? How about that? Yeah? All right, I'm gonna 701 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: call this listener mail squirrel shooting. Hey, guys, been listening 702 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: for about a year. I love the show. I was 703 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: listening to the Polar Bears episode and I stopped dead 704 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: in my tracks when Chuck told the story about shooting 705 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: a squirrel. When I was about thirteen, I too, thought 706 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: I was a tough guy and wanted to hunt animals. 707 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: My grandparents lived on some land and agreed to let 708 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: my cousin I shoot a squirrel as long as we 709 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: agreed to skin it and eat it. They're like building 710 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: that redo it. Yeah, you gotta love those depression eary grandparents, like, sure, 711 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 1: skin and need it. It's all yours. I have envisioned 712 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: him as hippies, like passing a joint, like joking about 713 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: how stupid their grandkids were. Wow, depression eary, Sure, I 714 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: see that one too, all right, So we were very excited. 715 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: We dressed up in camo, walked to property and because uh, 716 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, I got a dress in camout squirrels. H 717 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: eventually found a squirrel in a tree. I should know 718 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: that we were using a pellet gun, not like a 719 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: real bullet gun. I took the first shot and hit 720 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: the squirrel fell from the tree, and much to my chagrin, 721 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: he did not die. He made a noise I hope 722 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: to never hear again. It was that awful. I had 723 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: to hand the gun to my cousin. I just could 724 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: not do it and take the other shot. We ended 725 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: up skinning it and needing it, though he said it 726 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: tastes like sick and so why bother? Uh, like we 727 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: promised that we would do. Uh. That was the last 728 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: time I considered killing an animal for sport. I've always 729 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: loved animals, so I'm not sure where this urge came 730 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,959 Speaker 1: from to begin with. Actually run a small online candle 731 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: company now that sells dog fame candles. Uh. They donate 732 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: ten percent of all profits to animal shelters and rescues. 733 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: And so, Stephen, I am going to plug your company 734 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: over my wife's candle company even which is Mama Back 735 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: and Body. Uh. And you can go to www. Dot 736 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,879 Speaker 1: Knox Favorite k n o x s Knox's favorite dot 737 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: com and Knox was their dog in the company after 738 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: that's sweet. These are soy candles. I looked it up there. 739 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: Good from dog. Uh No, Nathan Dog. Thanks again for 740 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: everything you do your daily listen for me. I hope 741 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: to can hope you continue for years to come. That 742 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: is Stephen, Stephen, way to go, Stephen, Thank you for that. 743 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: We appreciate you learning us share your horrible story with everybody. Uh. 744 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: If you have a horrible story you want to share. 745 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean I regret saying that. You can 746 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: tweet to us that that's y SK podcast. You can 747 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: join us on Facebook dot com slash stuff. You should know. 748 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: You can send us an email. 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