1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:23,196 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey everyone. If you've been listening to new projects 2 00:00:23,196 --> 00:00:25,876 Speaker 1: by Drake Er Beyonce or paying attention to the recent 3 00:00:25,916 --> 00:00:29,796 Speaker 1: conversations around the resurgence of nineties dance music kicked off 4 00:00:29,836 --> 00:00:33,556 Speaker 1: by their projects, chances are you've heard Ktronada's name or 5 00:00:33,596 --> 00:00:39,036 Speaker 1: his influence. Suddenly, Ktronada's futuristic, soulful disco sound is everywhere, 6 00:00:39,276 --> 00:00:41,636 Speaker 1: including on his new hit song to Inflame feature in 7 00:00:41,716 --> 00:00:46,316 Speaker 1: Anderson Pack. Ktronada is an interesting confluence of culture. Haitian 8 00:00:46,396 --> 00:00:49,156 Speaker 1: by birth and lineage. He was raised outside of Montreal 9 00:00:49,356 --> 00:00:52,836 Speaker 1: in French speaking Quebec, Canada. He got a start as 10 00:00:52,836 --> 00:00:56,316 Speaker 1: a teenager uploading Jay Dilla and Flying Lotus inspired beats 11 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:59,716 Speaker 1: to SoundCloud. It was there in twenty twelve that his 12 00:00:59,996 --> 00:01:04,836 Speaker 1: edit of Janet Jackson's song If first exploded overnight, becoming 13 00:01:04,956 --> 00:01:08,556 Speaker 1: a massive viral hit. In the ten years since, Ktronada 14 00:01:08,636 --> 00:01:13,436 Speaker 1: has rema officially and unofficially, hundreds of records and released 15 00:01:13,476 --> 00:01:18,076 Speaker 1: two studio albums, including the Grammy Award winning Bubba, featuring 16 00:01:18,156 --> 00:01:22,756 Speaker 1: artists like Caliuchi's gold Link and Masego. On today's episode, 17 00:01:22,836 --> 00:01:25,236 Speaker 1: Rick Rubin and Catronata sit down to talk about how 18 00:01:25,356 --> 00:01:30,556 Speaker 1: using technology unconventionally can lead to creating an entirely new sound. 19 00:01:31,196 --> 00:01:34,156 Speaker 1: Katra also explains the anxiety he felt as an up 20 00:01:34,156 --> 00:01:36,956 Speaker 1: and coming hip hop producer who can never quite connect 21 00:01:36,996 --> 00:01:41,196 Speaker 1: with a classic production tool, the MPC. He also talks 22 00:01:41,236 --> 00:01:44,076 Speaker 1: about what it's like rocking stadiums as the opening DJ 23 00:01:44,356 --> 00:01:51,396 Speaker 1: on The Weekend's current worldwide tour. This is broken record 24 00:01:51,756 --> 00:01:55,556 Speaker 1: liner notes for the digital Age. I'm justin mission. Here's 25 00:01:55,636 --> 00:02:01,036 Speaker 1: Rick Rubin with Ktronada. Great to see you see you man? 26 00:02:01,196 --> 00:02:03,116 Speaker 1: Where have you been mostly? Have you been on tour 27 00:02:03,276 --> 00:02:07,156 Speaker 1: or home tour? I've been touring since probably the whole 28 00:02:07,196 --> 00:02:09,996 Speaker 1: summer and now I'm into tour of it, the Weekend 29 00:02:10,636 --> 00:02:12,876 Speaker 1: US tour. And how's it going to work? Like? Do 30 00:02:12,876 --> 00:02:14,756 Speaker 1: you know what the setup for the for the evening? 31 00:02:14,756 --> 00:02:17,756 Speaker 1: It's going to be in the stadium shows. It's really 32 00:02:17,796 --> 00:02:20,636 Speaker 1: like my same shows, like I do DJ sets. Cool. 33 00:02:20,716 --> 00:02:25,036 Speaker 1: It doesn't quite make sense because I'm just like this 34 00:02:25,156 --> 00:02:28,316 Speaker 1: DJ ACT producer DJ ACT and I don't really do 35 00:02:28,476 --> 00:02:31,876 Speaker 1: much more than just DJ. But it looks cool, I guess. 36 00:02:31,996 --> 00:02:33,836 Speaker 1: And the music is gonna be great, like people are 37 00:02:33,876 --> 00:02:36,916 Speaker 1: coming into good music. Yeah, it's all good. You know, 38 00:02:37,036 --> 00:02:40,676 Speaker 1: music always been great but absolutely like being an opener, 39 00:02:40,716 --> 00:02:43,516 Speaker 1: it's not all the way easy. I feel like in 40 00:02:43,596 --> 00:02:46,996 Speaker 1: some ways though, what's interesting about it is that considering 41 00:02:46,996 --> 00:02:49,916 Speaker 1: the kind of set you do, it's not like, hey, 42 00:02:49,996 --> 00:02:53,756 Speaker 1: look at me. It's like, here's this great music. Yeah yeah, 43 00:02:53,836 --> 00:02:55,756 Speaker 1: And so it's not do you know what I mean? Like, 44 00:02:55,796 --> 00:02:58,716 Speaker 1: I feel like it could really work in that everyone's 45 00:02:58,716 --> 00:03:01,156 Speaker 1: just going to be enjoying the music and then the 46 00:03:01,876 --> 00:03:05,436 Speaker 1: you know, the rock star show happens after and that's fine. Yeah, 47 00:03:05,516 --> 00:03:08,396 Speaker 1: it's fine. You know, I'm not competition something I signed up, 48 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,076 Speaker 1: you know, like they put me in the they put 49 00:03:11,076 --> 00:03:13,756 Speaker 1: me in a lineup for that. So I'm like, it's 50 00:03:13,756 --> 00:03:16,356 Speaker 1: it's it's cool, you know, Like I I love to 51 00:03:16,476 --> 00:03:19,876 Speaker 1: just do me and just and people are like people 52 00:03:19,876 --> 00:03:22,476 Speaker 1: are people already loving it? Like like I just people 53 00:03:22,556 --> 00:03:25,476 Speaker 1: see on the stands and I see like stories Instagram 54 00:03:25,516 --> 00:03:28,156 Speaker 1: stories that people are watching, like even from up there, 55 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:30,716 Speaker 1: they just like, oh my god, get you now? Are 56 00:03:30,716 --> 00:03:33,516 Speaker 1: you killing it? Tell me from the beginning. When's the 57 00:03:33,556 --> 00:03:36,716 Speaker 1: first time you ever played live? So when I played 58 00:03:36,756 --> 00:03:39,636 Speaker 1: live for the first time, it was in Montreal. It 59 00:03:39,676 --> 00:03:43,556 Speaker 1: wasn't really a set. It's like this beat thing. It 60 00:03:43,636 --> 00:03:45,596 Speaker 1: was not even a competition. Were just it was just 61 00:03:45,636 --> 00:03:49,276 Speaker 1: a lineup of producers for Montreal surprising. There was like 62 00:03:49,316 --> 00:03:51,796 Speaker 1: a lot of them, and I was one of them. 63 00:03:51,836 --> 00:03:55,236 Speaker 1: And we were all making like those like Boom Bab 64 00:03:55,556 --> 00:03:58,476 Speaker 1: kind of like influenced by the low end theory like 65 00:03:58,556 --> 00:04:02,836 Speaker 1: Flying Lotus like and all the brain Feeder like we 66 00:04:02,836 --> 00:04:05,076 Speaker 1: were all like inspired by them, and we were making 67 00:04:05,076 --> 00:04:10,156 Speaker 1: our own community of beat makers and not gonna lie. 68 00:04:10,196 --> 00:04:12,836 Speaker 1: When I came in, it was like some old shit, 69 00:04:13,076 --> 00:04:15,836 Speaker 1: like where this motifuer come from? Because I wasn't not 70 00:04:15,916 --> 00:04:17,916 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't live in the city at all, 71 00:04:18,036 --> 00:04:21,156 Speaker 1: so I was in the suburbs. And that's like kind 72 00:04:21,156 --> 00:04:23,436 Speaker 1: of like the first time. So I was like, okay, 73 00:04:23,476 --> 00:04:27,196 Speaker 1: I can go out in Montreal and down sound. So 74 00:04:27,276 --> 00:04:30,076 Speaker 1: most of the other people already knew each other. Yeah, 75 00:04:30,276 --> 00:04:33,156 Speaker 1: like everybody else knew each other, but I met everybody 76 00:04:33,236 --> 00:04:36,876 Speaker 1: that the first time I actually played live. So cool. Yeah, 77 00:04:36,956 --> 00:04:39,556 Speaker 1: it was. It was a good time. I was like 78 00:04:39,676 --> 00:04:43,756 Speaker 1: nineteen when you were first coming up, you did remixes. Also, 79 00:04:43,836 --> 00:04:45,676 Speaker 1: before you were asked to do a remixes, you just 80 00:04:45,676 --> 00:04:48,356 Speaker 1: did them on your own. And tell me about that process, 81 00:04:48,436 --> 00:04:50,636 Speaker 1: like how would you pick what to do, and then 82 00:04:50,956 --> 00:04:53,876 Speaker 1: what would you use that source material to build from 83 00:04:54,156 --> 00:04:57,196 Speaker 1: because you had you know, you had limitations. Yeah, then 84 00:04:57,716 --> 00:05:01,276 Speaker 1: oh it's like I don't know even like just find acapella, 85 00:05:01,396 --> 00:05:04,436 Speaker 1: like yeah, that was always fascinating to me. Yeah, it's 86 00:05:04,516 --> 00:05:07,316 Speaker 1: easier now, I think, but when you were starting, I 87 00:05:07,316 --> 00:05:09,036 Speaker 1: think it was a little harder. Oh it was harder. 88 00:05:09,356 --> 00:05:11,236 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of songs that show like, oh 89 00:05:11,276 --> 00:05:13,636 Speaker 1: my god, if I had the a cappellat this song. Yeah, 90 00:05:14,156 --> 00:05:17,116 Speaker 1: but a lot of them were not available, which was like, 91 00:05:17,196 --> 00:05:20,356 Speaker 1: oh man, you know, but I would find sometimes when 92 00:05:20,356 --> 00:05:22,476 Speaker 1: I had to remix it, I would find ways to 93 00:05:22,556 --> 00:05:26,156 Speaker 1: like just add drums over it, or even making my 94 00:05:26,196 --> 00:05:29,196 Speaker 1: own edit and just stuff like that. Do you want 95 00:05:29,196 --> 00:05:31,876 Speaker 1: to play this one of your early remixes? That's like 96 00:05:32,276 --> 00:05:34,196 Speaker 1: you were not hired to do, but you just took 97 00:05:34,236 --> 00:05:38,076 Speaker 1: it upon yourself. Yeah, I got one. The Janet remix 98 00:05:38,276 --> 00:05:41,876 Speaker 1: was like one that was really that caught people's attention. 99 00:05:44,276 --> 00:05:46,636 Speaker 1: I always gonna play this on my shows no matter what. 100 00:05:52,956 --> 00:05:58,236 Speaker 1: It's psychedelic it's bad. I feel like a lot of 101 00:05:58,276 --> 00:06:01,796 Speaker 1: my remixes, like my early ones, they were like so 102 00:06:03,276 --> 00:06:06,356 Speaker 1: like innocent. They were not like I was not trying 103 00:06:06,396 --> 00:06:09,316 Speaker 1: to blow up. I was really like expressing myself at 104 00:06:09,316 --> 00:06:11,796 Speaker 1: a point where I don't know I was doing edits, 105 00:06:11,836 --> 00:06:15,036 Speaker 1: but like my DJ sets and stuff like that, and 106 00:06:15,316 --> 00:06:17,996 Speaker 1: I want to resent myself like that. It almost that 107 00:06:18,036 --> 00:06:21,796 Speaker 1: almost feels like two records playing at once that don't 108 00:06:21,876 --> 00:06:26,036 Speaker 1: really work together, but somehow they just stay glued together 109 00:06:26,076 --> 00:06:29,676 Speaker 1: and you find this other rhythm going on the way 110 00:06:29,716 --> 00:06:31,996 Speaker 1: they bounce off each other. Oh yeah, it was well 111 00:06:32,076 --> 00:06:34,236 Speaker 1: received when it came out and whatever. That that was 112 00:06:34,276 --> 00:06:35,876 Speaker 1: the one that kind of like put me on them, 113 00:06:36,076 --> 00:06:40,196 Speaker 1: like on the maps, so cool intellectual world. It's it's 114 00:06:40,316 --> 00:06:43,236 Speaker 1: it's funny because like when I end up remixed songs, 115 00:06:44,116 --> 00:06:47,076 Speaker 1: don't I really love the song. I end up loving 116 00:06:47,196 --> 00:06:50,196 Speaker 1: fall in love with the song, and then and then 117 00:06:50,196 --> 00:06:51,996 Speaker 1: I'm trying to break up the song. It's like it's 118 00:06:51,996 --> 00:06:54,356 Speaker 1: funny and I'll end up remixing and I don't feel 119 00:06:54,356 --> 00:06:56,636 Speaker 1: the same about the original, Like I don't have the 120 00:06:56,716 --> 00:06:59,636 Speaker 1: same love I used to have with the original respect 121 00:06:59,636 --> 00:07:02,996 Speaker 1: it as yeah, yeah, no, I understand. But but you've 122 00:07:03,196 --> 00:07:05,956 Speaker 1: it's almost like you've seen it in a new light. Yeah, 123 00:07:05,996 --> 00:07:07,956 Speaker 1: and it's hard to see it back the way or 124 00:07:07,996 --> 00:07:10,116 Speaker 1: you can't. Maybe you can't never go back and see 125 00:07:10,156 --> 00:07:12,636 Speaker 1: it the way he'sap exactly. It kind of messes up 126 00:07:12,676 --> 00:07:14,916 Speaker 1: with my head. But it's all It's all good though, 127 00:07:14,956 --> 00:07:18,436 Speaker 1: because yeah, because man, I end up making like classics 128 00:07:18,516 --> 00:07:22,636 Speaker 1: that people are just like, whuoa, so cool and I 129 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:25,356 Speaker 1: love that. I love that I had that power, you 130 00:07:25,356 --> 00:07:27,756 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So cool? Maybe start only remixing 131 00:07:27,756 --> 00:07:31,556 Speaker 1: songs you don't like, then it's all good, only better 132 00:07:31,956 --> 00:07:39,676 Speaker 1: exactly talk about them that the world. So it's interesting 133 00:07:39,716 --> 00:07:42,196 Speaker 1: the timing you make that you put it up on SoundCloud, 134 00:07:42,236 --> 00:07:45,876 Speaker 1: I imagine, yeah, and now that I don't think it 135 00:07:45,916 --> 00:07:48,916 Speaker 1: would do the same, like the world has changed. Oh yeah, 136 00:07:49,116 --> 00:07:51,356 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about that moment in time. 137 00:07:51,876 --> 00:07:55,596 Speaker 1: How was SoundCloud viewed in the world. It was something 138 00:07:55,676 --> 00:07:59,876 Speaker 1: that was so like you could find original music there 139 00:08:00,196 --> 00:08:04,756 Speaker 1: just up becoming like DIY artists. There was just this 140 00:08:04,796 --> 00:08:09,556 Speaker 1: world of like this explosion of bedroom producers that we 141 00:08:09,596 --> 00:08:12,876 Speaker 1: could finally upload our stuff online. There was not like 142 00:08:13,276 --> 00:08:16,196 Speaker 1: at the time when there was like bedroom producers, there 143 00:08:16,236 --> 00:08:18,756 Speaker 1: was no outlet for them to like put their stuff 144 00:08:18,796 --> 00:08:21,716 Speaker 1: out there. It was discovered a community of people making 145 00:08:21,716 --> 00:08:24,196 Speaker 1: stuff putting it up to share it with other people. 146 00:08:24,916 --> 00:08:27,236 Speaker 1: Who were just heads really because it wasn't like really 147 00:08:27,316 --> 00:08:29,356 Speaker 1: mainstream at all. It was more just for other people 148 00:08:29,396 --> 00:08:31,716 Speaker 1: who like making cool stuff and checking out what other 149 00:08:31,756 --> 00:08:35,676 Speaker 1: cool people making. Yeah, yeah, because for me, like I 150 00:08:35,716 --> 00:08:38,276 Speaker 1: would say that, like I didn't find it right away, 151 00:08:38,276 --> 00:08:40,636 Speaker 1: but I had my accounts. It's two thousand and nine, 152 00:08:40,756 --> 00:08:45,076 Speaker 1: maybe that's like ten years plus. But before that, there 153 00:08:45,156 --> 00:08:48,996 Speaker 1: was like a YouTube like community that I had. A 154 00:08:49,036 --> 00:08:51,316 Speaker 1: lot of those producers end up making it, you know, 155 00:08:51,396 --> 00:08:53,636 Speaker 1: like doing their own thing now, which is good, but 156 00:08:53,676 --> 00:08:56,836 Speaker 1: I was like a teenager at the time. It's one guy, 157 00:08:56,916 --> 00:09:03,156 Speaker 1: kay kaylin ellis just he's a amazing musician. But I 158 00:09:03,236 --> 00:09:06,436 Speaker 1: knew him online since I was he since he was twelve. 159 00:09:06,476 --> 00:09:08,876 Speaker 1: I was like fourteen, and we were all like in 160 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:12,396 Speaker 1: this community of be makers, like all enforced by you know, 161 00:09:12,476 --> 00:09:16,236 Speaker 1: Fly Lotus and you know Jay Diller. You can't really 162 00:09:16,236 --> 00:09:18,676 Speaker 1: find kids like around us. I was listening to that 163 00:09:18,716 --> 00:09:21,316 Speaker 1: type of music on top of that, so for us 164 00:09:21,316 --> 00:09:23,516 Speaker 1: to come together it was like it meant a lot 165 00:09:23,556 --> 00:09:26,676 Speaker 1: to us. And we were all uploading our beats on 166 00:09:26,716 --> 00:09:29,676 Speaker 1: YouTube at the time because SoundCloud was not really the thing, 167 00:09:30,796 --> 00:09:34,036 Speaker 1: but YouTube was like more accessible to YouTube was the 168 00:09:34,116 --> 00:09:37,396 Speaker 1: first place to be able to make something, put it 169 00:09:37,476 --> 00:09:39,596 Speaker 1: up and feel like there was a community that would 170 00:09:39,596 --> 00:09:41,276 Speaker 1: be able to check it out. Yeah, that's how I 171 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:44,636 Speaker 1: felt like, because I mean a lot of friends online 172 00:09:44,676 --> 00:09:47,596 Speaker 1: that still to this day, I'm like, yo, I keep 173 00:09:47,636 --> 00:09:50,156 Speaker 1: contact with like some of them, you know, to this day, 174 00:09:50,196 --> 00:09:52,196 Speaker 1: and I think I still think it's amazing because we're 175 00:09:52,196 --> 00:09:56,236 Speaker 1: all making like tight shit, like, but we were like 176 00:09:56,516 --> 00:09:59,556 Speaker 1: so young, just trying to be our favorite producer, like 177 00:09:59,556 --> 00:10:02,836 Speaker 1: trying to be like them, you know, imitating them. And 178 00:10:02,876 --> 00:10:04,916 Speaker 1: I feel like when you imitate a producer and you're 179 00:10:04,956 --> 00:10:08,316 Speaker 1: young and you're starting to produce, it's like it's good training. Yeah, 180 00:10:08,396 --> 00:10:12,756 Speaker 1: you find your way in most people start. The first 181 00:10:12,756 --> 00:10:14,956 Speaker 1: thing you do is through imitation, just to kind of 182 00:10:15,076 --> 00:10:17,796 Speaker 1: figure out how to do it. Yeah, and then slowly 183 00:10:17,796 --> 00:10:20,116 Speaker 1: it just starts becoming more you and less them. Just 184 00:10:20,556 --> 00:10:24,156 Speaker 1: happens even without trying, Like it just happens, you know, 185 00:10:24,436 --> 00:10:26,316 Speaker 1: kind of run out of their stuff to copy, and 186 00:10:26,316 --> 00:10:29,676 Speaker 1: you're still making stuff and now it's new exactly. But yeah, 187 00:10:29,876 --> 00:10:34,676 Speaker 1: like back to the community thing on YouTube, we slowly 188 00:10:34,716 --> 00:10:37,756 Speaker 1: move into SoundCloud, like one by one went on SoundCloud. 189 00:10:38,316 --> 00:10:41,556 Speaker 1: It definitely evolved over the years, you know, in twenty twelve, 190 00:10:41,676 --> 00:10:45,756 Speaker 1: Like when that remix was uploaded, a lot of people 191 00:10:45,836 --> 00:10:49,156 Speaker 1: were like getting known to YouTube. So there will be 192 00:10:49,156 --> 00:10:53,116 Speaker 1: like YouTube channels where they would post like one of 193 00:10:53,156 --> 00:10:55,476 Speaker 1: the producers on SoundCloud they would like and then they 194 00:10:55,476 --> 00:10:57,676 Speaker 1: will upload them because they had a lot of subscribers. 195 00:10:58,156 --> 00:11:00,756 Speaker 1: That's what happened with my remix. So like a tastemaker 196 00:11:01,116 --> 00:11:04,196 Speaker 1: would repost it. Yeah, and so there were people who 197 00:11:04,236 --> 00:11:06,196 Speaker 1: were just looking for whatever was cool, and then they 198 00:11:06,236 --> 00:11:08,716 Speaker 1: would turn on more people to it. Yeah. It's like 199 00:11:08,756 --> 00:11:11,036 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, just like somebody who has a 200 00:11:11,076 --> 00:11:14,036 Speaker 1: Tumbler page and they got a lot of followers on 201 00:11:14,076 --> 00:11:17,796 Speaker 1: their Tumbler, they were like upload. You know, they're got 202 00:11:17,876 --> 00:11:19,996 Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, this is all the music I listened 203 00:11:20,036 --> 00:11:23,876 Speaker 1: to and they love that person's taste, so and so 204 00:11:23,996 --> 00:11:26,796 Speaker 1: they trust them, and my remix would end up being 205 00:11:26,836 --> 00:11:30,276 Speaker 1: on that page. And then yeah, I was like, what 206 00:11:30,316 --> 00:11:32,876 Speaker 1: the hell's going on? Like I would get like notification, 207 00:11:33,036 --> 00:11:36,236 Speaker 1: Like I would go up at noon and get like 208 00:11:37,076 --> 00:11:40,276 Speaker 1: six hundred notifications on my phone over there on SoundCloud, 209 00:11:40,876 --> 00:11:43,516 Speaker 1: and I'm like this is not real. Yeah, I'm going 210 00:11:43,516 --> 00:11:46,196 Speaker 1: back to sleep because like I was sleeping madly, like 211 00:11:46,236 --> 00:11:48,356 Speaker 1: five am, six am, and that's when like I was 212 00:11:48,436 --> 00:11:50,996 Speaker 1: making music and work all night and sleep all days, 213 00:11:51,156 --> 00:11:55,676 Speaker 1: normal normal young young musician hours, yeah, you know yeah, 214 00:11:55,756 --> 00:11:57,876 Speaker 1: and then you know I was I woke up again 215 00:11:57,956 --> 00:12:01,036 Speaker 1: like maybe like three pm, like what the hell's going on? 216 00:12:01,076 --> 00:12:03,636 Speaker 1: So I just see like those like numbers, and I 217 00:12:03,676 --> 00:12:06,556 Speaker 1: just couldn't believe it. It It was like what is going on? 218 00:12:06,796 --> 00:12:09,596 Speaker 1: You know, like and I just saw that that person 219 00:12:09,676 --> 00:12:12,276 Speaker 1: uploaded on their YouTube channel and then that kind of 220 00:12:12,276 --> 00:12:14,156 Speaker 1: like spread a word about this remix and I just 221 00:12:14,196 --> 00:12:17,836 Speaker 1: can really can't believe in until posted the second one 222 00:12:18,236 --> 00:12:21,036 Speaker 1: to be a Girl remix? So cool? When did the 223 00:12:21,116 --> 00:12:25,476 Speaker 1: SoundCloud change? When did SoundCloud stop meaning what it meant? 224 00:12:26,076 --> 00:12:28,676 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think they could sell like 225 00:12:28,676 --> 00:12:31,516 Speaker 1: when business like you know, need sponsors and need like 226 00:12:31,916 --> 00:12:36,436 Speaker 1: ads so they can like you know, still float. Business 227 00:12:36,436 --> 00:12:39,796 Speaker 1: model change to be something Yeah it becomes less cool 228 00:12:40,316 --> 00:12:42,236 Speaker 1: or I don't know, Like for me, it didn't really 229 00:12:42,276 --> 00:12:45,076 Speaker 1: bother me, but I could sell like nobody was really 230 00:12:45,116 --> 00:12:48,596 Speaker 1: uploading stuff there. And did people go back to YouTube 231 00:12:48,756 --> 00:12:51,076 Speaker 1: or was there another option? I don't think there was 232 00:12:51,116 --> 00:12:53,596 Speaker 1: another option. So what do people do now? I think 233 00:12:53,716 --> 00:12:56,436 Speaker 1: right now it's like TikTok could be a good one. 234 00:12:57,236 --> 00:12:59,036 Speaker 1: There's a lot of news I got discovered. A lot 235 00:12:59,076 --> 00:13:02,076 Speaker 1: of artists are discovered on TikTok right now, so there's 236 00:13:02,076 --> 00:13:04,636 Speaker 1: always gonna be a new thing. But there was definitely 237 00:13:04,676 --> 00:13:07,956 Speaker 1: something special at the time. Yeah, it also was whole tracks, 238 00:13:07,996 --> 00:13:11,436 Speaker 1: because that's another difference between that and now TikTok. TikTok 239 00:13:11,436 --> 00:13:14,756 Speaker 1: tends to be super short clips. It's not songs. It's 240 00:13:14,796 --> 00:13:18,156 Speaker 1: a you know, fifteen twenty seconds. Yeah, like most like 241 00:13:18,476 --> 00:13:21,116 Speaker 1: most snippets, you know, it would be like, oh my god, 242 00:13:21,156 --> 00:13:23,236 Speaker 1: like when's this song coming out? And then somebody would 243 00:13:23,276 --> 00:13:27,596 Speaker 1: blow up from a snippet. It's either like some people 244 00:13:27,636 --> 00:13:29,156 Speaker 1: can't make it or break it because it's like the 245 00:13:29,196 --> 00:13:31,996 Speaker 1: snippet turn out to be better than the song. Yeah, sometimes, 246 00:13:31,996 --> 00:13:34,316 Speaker 1: so that happens a lot. That would say, it's easier 247 00:13:34,316 --> 00:13:37,796 Speaker 1: to make fifteen seconds interesting than a whole song interesting, 248 00:13:38,196 --> 00:13:42,196 Speaker 1: and then many whole songs interesting. Baby right Yeah, I'm like, 249 00:13:42,316 --> 00:13:44,556 Speaker 1: man like, yeah, we have we have come to that 250 00:13:44,636 --> 00:13:47,876 Speaker 1: time where the key to the highlight of the song 251 00:13:47,916 --> 00:13:52,876 Speaker 1: would become the snippet, and then people would expect something different, 252 00:13:53,076 --> 00:13:55,996 Speaker 1: you know, and do you still do DJ sets or 253 00:13:55,996 --> 00:13:57,956 Speaker 1: do you play your own so tell me what is 254 00:13:57,956 --> 00:14:01,516 Speaker 1: the current. I'm still doing DJ sets, you know, because yeah, personally, 255 00:14:01,516 --> 00:14:04,196 Speaker 1: it's like my choice, Like I definitely want to take 256 00:14:04,236 --> 00:14:06,836 Speaker 1: it to another level, but it's that it's my choice 257 00:14:06,836 --> 00:14:10,076 Speaker 1: of like playing you know, the front edits yea, and 258 00:14:10,156 --> 00:14:12,396 Speaker 1: if it's fun, I mean that's the most it's fun. 259 00:14:12,396 --> 00:14:15,636 Speaker 1: It's is I feel the most confident, Yeah, as an 260 00:14:15,636 --> 00:14:18,596 Speaker 1: electronic act if I'm not a keyboard player, because I'm 261 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:20,356 Speaker 1: not a keyboard player, you know what I'm saying, Like, 262 00:14:20,476 --> 00:14:22,196 Speaker 1: I don't think it would make sense for me to 263 00:14:22,316 --> 00:14:26,316 Speaker 1: like play with like keys and stuff like that. Like 264 00:14:26,356 --> 00:14:28,516 Speaker 1: I love hip hop so much. I like the elements 265 00:14:28,516 --> 00:14:33,396 Speaker 1: of like ones and twos and keep it like you know, 266 00:14:33,596 --> 00:14:37,236 Speaker 1: dance music disc driven or you know, hip hop driven. 267 00:14:37,316 --> 00:14:39,756 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just love doing that and just play 268 00:14:39,876 --> 00:14:42,876 Speaker 1: like different versions of the songs. Like I would play 269 00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:46,476 Speaker 1: like the bo Girl remix and just put the not 270 00:14:46,516 --> 00:14:50,436 Speaker 1: the acopella, but like maybe just the keys, the bass 271 00:14:50,596 --> 00:14:54,436 Speaker 1: and the vocals until the drop happens. Actually it's like 272 00:14:54,596 --> 00:14:58,156 Speaker 1: different from the song cloud uploated version, Like every every 273 00:14:58,236 --> 00:15:01,716 Speaker 1: version I play live is like slightly different. When I 274 00:15:01,836 --> 00:15:04,636 Speaker 1: think of what the DJ's mission is in a club 275 00:15:05,396 --> 00:15:10,116 Speaker 1: very specific to get people dancing, very specific energy. Is 276 00:15:10,116 --> 00:15:13,836 Speaker 1: it any different when you're performing as you you know, 277 00:15:13,876 --> 00:15:16,356 Speaker 1: you're you're not the DJ there to just rock the crowd. 278 00:15:16,396 --> 00:15:18,876 Speaker 1: You're there because it's they want to see you what 279 00:15:18,956 --> 00:15:22,396 Speaker 1: you're going to play. Is it a different mission than 280 00:15:22,476 --> 00:15:27,396 Speaker 1: just getting up and rocking the club? Because when I 281 00:15:27,436 --> 00:15:30,276 Speaker 1: do my act, it's like it's I gotta play the hits, 282 00:15:30,276 --> 00:15:34,796 Speaker 1: I gotta play like songs from the album, and but 283 00:15:34,876 --> 00:15:37,636 Speaker 1: I still end up DJing. But it's it's like strictly 284 00:15:37,716 --> 00:15:39,996 Speaker 1: like my hits, you know, and like I have a 285 00:15:40,036 --> 00:15:44,956 Speaker 1: long discography of like remixes or like even my own songs, 286 00:15:45,076 --> 00:15:47,516 Speaker 1: albums EPs. But you know, it's like for me, I 287 00:15:47,636 --> 00:15:50,196 Speaker 1: just love to lose myself in DJ. And it's like 288 00:15:50,236 --> 00:15:53,516 Speaker 1: it's really like sometimes I just can't help myself to 289 00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:56,756 Speaker 1: like DJ, you know. So yeah, because it's all fun 290 00:15:56,836 --> 00:15:59,196 Speaker 1: for me. It's really like it's not really serious. It's 291 00:15:59,196 --> 00:16:01,436 Speaker 1: not like, oh my god, my big break. You know, 292 00:16:02,236 --> 00:16:04,156 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. But we'll be right 293 00:16:04,156 --> 00:16:10,676 Speaker 1: back with more from k Drenada. We're back with more 294 00:16:10,716 --> 00:16:13,916 Speaker 1: from Rick Rubin and Kate Nada. Who would you say 295 00:16:14,076 --> 00:16:17,156 Speaker 1: biggest musical inspiration has been over the course of your life. 296 00:16:18,076 --> 00:16:22,476 Speaker 1: Oh wow, of course you know Jay did it to 297 00:16:22,556 --> 00:16:26,236 Speaker 1: me like when he passed away. Yeah, you know, I 298 00:16:26,276 --> 00:16:29,316 Speaker 1: was listening to a lot of tribe called quests like 299 00:16:29,396 --> 00:16:31,556 Speaker 1: you know, like when we talk about two thousand and six, 300 00:16:31,636 --> 00:16:35,716 Speaker 1: you know, like I was literally discovering them at the time, 301 00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:39,556 Speaker 1: and then growing up there's a lot of like stuff 302 00:16:39,556 --> 00:16:42,356 Speaker 1: you produced songs I love. I didn't know Jay Della 303 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:44,596 Speaker 1: produced them, you know, so I just like look at 304 00:16:44,596 --> 00:16:47,836 Speaker 1: this discography and I like, like probably fifty percent of 305 00:16:47,876 --> 00:16:50,116 Speaker 1: the discography. So I was like, wait, admitted you know. 306 00:16:51,036 --> 00:16:53,836 Speaker 1: And then you know, I heard Donuts, I heard all 307 00:16:53,836 --> 00:16:56,116 Speaker 1: the beat tapes, and it was like something that was 308 00:16:56,156 --> 00:16:59,836 Speaker 1: like that would study like as a producer. Him and 309 00:16:59,876 --> 00:17:04,036 Speaker 1: mad Lib. I would say, like mad Lib specifically, like 310 00:17:04,036 --> 00:17:06,516 Speaker 1: like Jayla introduced me to mad Lib and then mad 311 00:17:06,556 --> 00:17:09,716 Speaker 1: Li was like you know MF Doom like the Mad 312 00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:12,876 Speaker 1: Villain project. But mad Lip was like literally the one 313 00:17:12,916 --> 00:17:16,356 Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, he does jazz, he does 314 00:17:16,436 --> 00:17:19,676 Speaker 1: house music. He got this house project on a monic 315 00:17:19,756 --> 00:17:23,516 Speaker 1: different moniker and thought I thought I was so impressive, 316 00:17:23,556 --> 00:17:26,236 Speaker 1: Like that really inspired me to do different things. Have 317 00:17:26,356 --> 00:17:28,996 Speaker 1: you read the j. Diller book I I did read. 318 00:17:29,036 --> 00:17:32,836 Speaker 1: Didn't it great? It's a really good book. It's I 319 00:17:32,916 --> 00:17:37,396 Speaker 1: hit up the author d Yeah, like I hit him up, 320 00:17:37,396 --> 00:17:40,796 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that was this such a beautiful book, 321 00:17:40,876 --> 00:17:44,276 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's like, you know, it reconfirms 322 00:17:44,316 --> 00:17:47,036 Speaker 1: all the like his true story, Like I don't know, 323 00:17:47,116 --> 00:17:49,676 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like myths. They were creating 324 00:17:49,676 --> 00:17:52,796 Speaker 1: a lot of like stuff about Jay Diller. But now 325 00:17:53,036 --> 00:17:55,076 Speaker 1: like reading the book, it's kind of like it makes 326 00:17:55,076 --> 00:17:58,956 Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, it's a good timeline of like 327 00:17:59,076 --> 00:18:02,396 Speaker 1: what happened with like his musical career, like what happened 328 00:18:02,396 --> 00:18:05,356 Speaker 1: with Cute Tip and yeah all that. Do you remember 329 00:18:05,356 --> 00:18:10,076 Speaker 1: what your first memories of music in childhood? My dad 330 00:18:10,476 --> 00:18:14,076 Speaker 1: played a lot of music, had this like big system 331 00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:17,676 Speaker 1: like amplifiers and you know CD players, like I knew 332 00:18:17,676 --> 00:18:19,596 Speaker 1: how to use CdSe when I was like four or 333 00:18:19,596 --> 00:18:23,036 Speaker 1: five years old, and a lot of Kompa in the house, 334 00:18:23,156 --> 00:18:27,196 Speaker 1: Haitian kompa, but also a lot of you know, Michael 335 00:18:27,716 --> 00:18:31,556 Speaker 1: Bob Marley was my favorite artist who like George Benson 336 00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:37,156 Speaker 1: al Jarro, like a lot of jazz as well. Man, 337 00:18:37,196 --> 00:18:39,276 Speaker 1: it was just all types of music, Like my dad 338 00:18:39,316 --> 00:18:41,596 Speaker 1: was playing while he was painting too, because he's a painter. 339 00:18:42,076 --> 00:18:44,836 Speaker 1: Do you think hearing the diverse music when you were 340 00:18:44,836 --> 00:18:47,916 Speaker 1: a kid impacted the stuff that you made sense? I 341 00:18:47,916 --> 00:18:50,276 Speaker 1: don't really think so, you know. I feel like in 342 00:18:50,356 --> 00:18:54,796 Speaker 1: some parts, like there's there's influences where like let's say, 343 00:18:54,796 --> 00:18:58,316 Speaker 1: like when my dad played Michael Jackson, like it definitely like, yeah, 344 00:18:58,636 --> 00:19:01,116 Speaker 1: there was just something about the up tempo and upbeat 345 00:19:01,236 --> 00:19:04,036 Speaker 1: stuff where I was like, okay, you know, like Michael 346 00:19:04,196 --> 00:19:06,956 Speaker 1: is in that circle. So yeah, that was something that 347 00:19:07,036 --> 00:19:09,796 Speaker 1: was influenced by. But I forgot to tell you, like 348 00:19:09,876 --> 00:19:13,436 Speaker 1: my sisters also had like this VHS tape of like 349 00:19:13,516 --> 00:19:16,756 Speaker 1: ninety six ninety seven like hip hop R and B 350 00:19:17,276 --> 00:19:19,876 Speaker 1: Beastie Boys as well, you know, so it's like a 351 00:19:19,916 --> 00:19:23,316 Speaker 1: lot of like it's like a video tape of a 352 00:19:23,396 --> 00:19:26,636 Speaker 1: bunch of music videos, and that's like something that would 353 00:19:26,636 --> 00:19:30,036 Speaker 1: like watch more than cartoons and watch more than you know, 354 00:19:30,196 --> 00:19:32,476 Speaker 1: anything else. That was like my main interest, like watching 355 00:19:32,476 --> 00:19:36,076 Speaker 1: those music videos, and I absorbed that. What was your 356 00:19:36,076 --> 00:19:39,796 Speaker 1: first experiments with making making beats or making music of 357 00:19:39,796 --> 00:19:43,916 Speaker 1: any kind? Definitely when I start Djane Well, I didn't 358 00:19:43,916 --> 00:19:46,036 Speaker 1: had like the tools to DJ at all, Like it 359 00:19:46,076 --> 00:19:50,956 Speaker 1: was literally like software like online like virtual DJ. I 360 00:19:51,036 --> 00:19:53,716 Speaker 1: knew all the shortcuts, so it was like I really 361 00:19:53,716 --> 00:19:57,076 Speaker 1: sounded good, like I had like all the gear. And 362 00:19:57,116 --> 00:19:59,796 Speaker 1: then it got to a point where I discovered looping, 363 00:20:00,276 --> 00:20:04,276 Speaker 1: like drum loops and jazz loops, so everything was very 364 00:20:04,316 --> 00:20:09,076 Speaker 1: like technical, so it felt like a lot of like produced. 365 00:20:09,156 --> 00:20:12,516 Speaker 1: There's like how they started, you know, like all the 366 00:20:12,596 --> 00:20:15,916 Speaker 1: legends y'all started with like this tape recorder, like like 367 00:20:15,916 --> 00:20:18,876 Speaker 1: they just recorded like every loop on tape. So it 368 00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:21,476 Speaker 1: felt like it was the same way where I would 369 00:20:21,516 --> 00:20:24,596 Speaker 1: like record a whole three minute loop of like that beat, 370 00:20:24,916 --> 00:20:26,796 Speaker 1: or I would do like you know, some sort of 371 00:20:26,796 --> 00:20:31,516 Speaker 1: like automation live and had like five beats under my belt. 372 00:20:31,636 --> 00:20:34,916 Speaker 1: And and that was on the laptop, and that was 373 00:20:35,036 --> 00:20:36,636 Speaker 1: like that was not even on laptop. That was like 374 00:20:36,636 --> 00:20:40,796 Speaker 1: on a desktop like PC computer that was really slow. 375 00:20:40,836 --> 00:20:44,556 Speaker 1: And then and all that, and then the fruity loops 376 00:20:44,556 --> 00:20:48,876 Speaker 1: came in the way where I was like trying again 377 00:20:49,396 --> 00:20:54,436 Speaker 1: and fail to like actually like use the software. And 378 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:57,076 Speaker 1: my little bloody was like, yo, like this is how 379 00:20:57,116 --> 00:20:59,396 Speaker 1: you use it. You gotta like put the kick here. 380 00:20:59,436 --> 00:21:02,116 Speaker 1: But you know, I was like, oh, really okay, and 381 00:21:02,156 --> 00:21:05,516 Speaker 1: then I just never stopped making beats from then. It 382 00:21:05,596 --> 00:21:09,276 Speaker 1: seems like it also if you use technology in a 383 00:21:09,316 --> 00:21:12,236 Speaker 1: way that's different than the way everyone else uses it, 384 00:21:12,236 --> 00:21:14,676 Speaker 1: it can lead to some really interesting things. You know. 385 00:21:14,796 --> 00:21:17,876 Speaker 1: It's like it might not be technically the right way, 386 00:21:17,916 --> 00:21:20,356 Speaker 1: but there really isn't the right way. When we're making music, 387 00:21:20,396 --> 00:21:23,236 Speaker 1: We're just looking for these moments, yeah, where it feels 388 00:21:23,276 --> 00:21:26,676 Speaker 1: good exactly and to me something that I really like, 389 00:21:27,236 --> 00:21:29,196 Speaker 1: Like I was really confident with my music, so I 390 00:21:29,276 --> 00:21:32,076 Speaker 1: was like, how am I not really like like a 391 00:21:32,196 --> 00:21:34,916 Speaker 1: musician musician and I'm making all that music? So that 392 00:21:34,996 --> 00:21:37,716 Speaker 1: really like messed up with my head, like if I 393 00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:39,636 Speaker 1: was doing the right thing or not, you know, like 394 00:21:39,756 --> 00:21:44,156 Speaker 1: during my teenage years of like learning how to make beats, 395 00:21:44,396 --> 00:21:46,116 Speaker 1: because I would see a lot of people like you know, 396 00:21:46,236 --> 00:21:50,516 Speaker 1: using the MPC or play the keyboard and just you know, 397 00:21:50,636 --> 00:21:53,476 Speaker 1: come up with stuff that is like things I never understood, 398 00:21:53,556 --> 00:21:57,476 Speaker 1: but I always used it my own way, and that 399 00:21:57,796 --> 00:22:00,356 Speaker 1: really like play with my head, like am I doing 400 00:22:00,356 --> 00:22:03,916 Speaker 1: something right? Am I doing something wrong? But everything sounded good, 401 00:22:03,996 --> 00:22:07,236 Speaker 1: it sounded perfect, and until it was like until I 402 00:22:07,236 --> 00:22:09,036 Speaker 1: saw a lot of people doing it, you know the same, 403 00:22:09,116 --> 00:22:11,716 Speaker 1: and why I did, like not really using you know, 404 00:22:11,756 --> 00:22:15,276 Speaker 1: a media controller to make a beat. So I was like, okay, 405 00:22:15,436 --> 00:22:18,876 Speaker 1: I guess I got that right. Yeah, and it was. 406 00:22:18,956 --> 00:22:20,596 Speaker 1: I mean it's again, I don't even know if it's 407 00:22:20,676 --> 00:22:22,996 Speaker 1: right or wrong. You did it your way, you know, 408 00:22:23,236 --> 00:22:26,316 Speaker 1: And I feel like you've managed to do that both 409 00:22:26,436 --> 00:22:30,716 Speaker 1: as a producer and as an artist. Like we normally 410 00:22:30,756 --> 00:22:34,116 Speaker 1: think of artists as these sort of outgoing, loud you know, 411 00:22:34,716 --> 00:22:38,716 Speaker 1: everybody look at me person, and you've managed to stay 412 00:22:39,036 --> 00:22:44,356 Speaker 1: your shy self, yea, true to yourself and still make 413 00:22:44,396 --> 00:22:49,796 Speaker 1: this incredible music and still rock the party and be 414 00:22:49,916 --> 00:22:53,876 Speaker 1: true to you. I think it's inspiring for people to 415 00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:57,156 Speaker 1: know there's not one way. And I imagine over the 416 00:22:57,236 --> 00:22:59,076 Speaker 1: years there have been people who tried to get you 417 00:22:59,116 --> 00:23:02,596 Speaker 1: to be more like other people. Oh yeah, and it 418 00:23:02,676 --> 00:23:05,636 Speaker 1: seems like you've been good like doing your thing. Yeah 419 00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:08,116 Speaker 1: it's been good. Now I'm like I can confirm it, 420 00:23:08,196 --> 00:23:11,316 Speaker 1: you know, Like it's like there's not one way. There's 421 00:23:11,356 --> 00:23:13,836 Speaker 1: not like two ways. You know, there's definitely like a 422 00:23:14,076 --> 00:23:16,676 Speaker 1: million ways, but you need to just make music. Like 423 00:23:17,116 --> 00:23:20,116 Speaker 1: even like somebody like Steve Lacey like that was that's 424 00:23:20,276 --> 00:23:24,196 Speaker 1: using is like iPhone to make demos. So it's like 425 00:23:24,796 --> 00:23:27,476 Speaker 1: that's that's already impressive, and that's like something I kind 426 00:23:27,476 --> 00:23:30,756 Speaker 1: of like when I saw that for the first time, 427 00:23:30,796 --> 00:23:33,116 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, like I thought it was 428 00:23:33,156 --> 00:23:37,356 Speaker 1: really cool because it shows that there's more than ways 429 00:23:37,396 --> 00:23:39,996 Speaker 1: to make music. It's not really about you know, what 430 00:23:40,076 --> 00:23:43,636 Speaker 1: you got, it's really how we use it, you know. Absolutely, 431 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:47,676 Speaker 1: it's more of the idea and your ear and your taste, yeah, 432 00:23:47,716 --> 00:23:51,796 Speaker 1: and everything else. You can't do it any different way. Really. Yeah. 433 00:23:52,036 --> 00:23:55,076 Speaker 1: When I was growing up, like I had a job, 434 00:23:55,116 --> 00:23:57,876 Speaker 1: and like I had like my first job and saved 435 00:23:57,956 --> 00:24:00,796 Speaker 1: up to like buy an NPC. You know, there's things 436 00:24:00,796 --> 00:24:02,756 Speaker 1: like that that I was like, okay, like I'm I'm 437 00:24:02,756 --> 00:24:05,836 Speaker 1: trying to be a real producer. I'm gonna buy all 438 00:24:05,876 --> 00:24:08,516 Speaker 1: those gears, you know, And it's like, I don't know, 439 00:24:08,676 --> 00:24:12,316 Speaker 1: it didn't really I didn't reconnect with like an NPC really, 440 00:24:12,356 --> 00:24:14,596 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of techniques and I didn't know 441 00:24:14,596 --> 00:24:18,516 Speaker 1: how to upload like put samples in there. So I 442 00:24:18,636 --> 00:24:22,156 Speaker 1: just like stick to what I know from the early 443 00:24:22,276 --> 00:24:27,036 Speaker 1: days of technology till now. Has the way you've worked 444 00:24:27,036 --> 00:24:29,076 Speaker 1: on music evolved or do you still do it the 445 00:24:29,116 --> 00:24:32,356 Speaker 1: way you did right from the beginning. It definitely evolved 446 00:24:33,196 --> 00:24:35,916 Speaker 1: in a way that you know, I'm learning, like learning 447 00:24:35,916 --> 00:24:40,116 Speaker 1: different softwares and get real musicians, you know, like all that. 448 00:24:40,276 --> 00:24:42,916 Speaker 1: Like this is something that you know, I never really 449 00:24:43,156 --> 00:24:46,396 Speaker 1: did until I had like my until the career start 450 00:24:46,476 --> 00:24:49,876 Speaker 1: popping off. So there are things like that where it 451 00:24:50,076 --> 00:24:53,036 Speaker 1: evolved in terms of like my taste and like my ideas, 452 00:24:53,276 --> 00:24:56,356 Speaker 1: and then it returned my music to something else instead 453 00:24:56,356 --> 00:24:58,956 Speaker 1: of just being like just a hip hop eat. And 454 00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:01,996 Speaker 1: then you're like somebody like like let's say Kanye that 455 00:25:02,076 --> 00:25:04,796 Speaker 1: would like he'll do a beat, but he'll make turning 456 00:25:04,876 --> 00:25:07,756 Speaker 1: to like a whole masterpiece like with strings and all that. 457 00:25:07,916 --> 00:25:09,636 Speaker 1: You know, this is something I picked up when I 458 00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:13,356 Speaker 1: was like young, like having strings in my music, having 459 00:25:13,356 --> 00:25:17,396 Speaker 1: like horns, range arrangements, and now I can actually do it. 460 00:25:17,436 --> 00:25:20,156 Speaker 1: But then it was like, hey, am I gonna do that? 461 00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:23,756 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm trying to like find one liners 462 00:25:23,876 --> 00:25:27,676 Speaker 1: you know that been recorded and example one part and 463 00:25:27,916 --> 00:25:31,556 Speaker 1: use it as a new element in your piece. Yeah, 464 00:25:31,596 --> 00:25:34,476 Speaker 1: that was a lone original too, Like that sounded also 465 00:25:34,596 --> 00:25:38,476 Speaker 1: like different than I would have think, so that was 466 00:25:38,596 --> 00:25:41,356 Speaker 1: also cool to experiment with that. But now it has 467 00:25:41,396 --> 00:25:42,996 Speaker 1: come to the point where I'm like, Okay, I can 468 00:25:43,036 --> 00:25:48,276 Speaker 1: finally do like have real like instrumentalists like over my music. 469 00:25:48,556 --> 00:25:52,236 Speaker 1: That's what I did with the last album. So yeah, yeah, 470 00:25:52,076 --> 00:25:54,916 Speaker 1: the last one, the last one, but that's when I 471 00:25:54,996 --> 00:25:59,516 Speaker 1: came out, Yeah, the two thousand nineteen. Like you, you're 472 00:25:59,556 --> 00:26:02,596 Speaker 1: deep into a new one now, I guess I am. Well, 473 00:26:02,636 --> 00:26:03,956 Speaker 1: you made a lot of stuff. We don't know if 474 00:26:03,956 --> 00:26:06,356 Speaker 1: it's an album yet, right exactly. It's just it's just 475 00:26:06,396 --> 00:26:09,676 Speaker 1: a lot of demos. I'm just confused with a direction 476 00:26:09,676 --> 00:26:12,396 Speaker 1: I want to go. You know, there is a sound 477 00:26:12,836 --> 00:26:14,956 Speaker 1: kind of like how twin Flames sounds, you know, like 478 00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:21,276 Speaker 1: very late bisco strings, very influenced by that, and you know, 479 00:26:21,596 --> 00:26:25,956 Speaker 1: heavy drums and heavy bass. But I feel like I've 480 00:26:25,956 --> 00:26:29,236 Speaker 1: been influenced a lot with what's happening lately with you know, 481 00:26:29,476 --> 00:26:32,076 Speaker 1: everybody doing the house music and my name being mentioned. 482 00:26:32,396 --> 00:26:35,116 Speaker 1: But I feel like you were doing it before everybody. Hey, 483 00:26:35,236 --> 00:26:38,236 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I wouldn't say I was doing 484 00:26:38,356 --> 00:26:40,436 Speaker 1: for everybody, because I gotta pay respects to like all 485 00:26:40,476 --> 00:26:43,996 Speaker 1: the people that that influence me. You know, like I 486 00:26:43,996 --> 00:26:46,396 Speaker 1: would say you did you were part of the like 487 00:26:47,356 --> 00:26:51,676 Speaker 1: new like bringing back a style of dance music that 488 00:26:51,836 --> 00:26:55,236 Speaker 1: was not in vogue or not popular. Yeah, I feel 489 00:26:55,276 --> 00:26:57,396 Speaker 1: like you were one of the people who really brought 490 00:26:57,396 --> 00:26:59,636 Speaker 1: it back and made it popular again and found a 491 00:26:59,676 --> 00:27:02,396 Speaker 1: way to put a new slant on it. Like I 492 00:27:02,356 --> 00:27:05,276 Speaker 1: always when I listen to your music, there's a familiarness 493 00:27:05,476 --> 00:27:08,036 Speaker 1: to the grooves that feels good to me, and there's 494 00:27:08,116 --> 00:27:10,956 Speaker 1: also a newness either in the instrumentation or the way 495 00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:13,636 Speaker 1: it's put together where it's like, well, it's not an 496 00:27:13,636 --> 00:27:15,196 Speaker 1: old you know, it doesn't sound like an old record, 497 00:27:15,276 --> 00:27:17,836 Speaker 1: sounds like a new record, but it hits your soul 498 00:27:17,916 --> 00:27:21,556 Speaker 1: in the way that an old record night, which is good. Yeah, 499 00:27:20,956 --> 00:27:24,156 Speaker 1: I'm trying to it's it's like something I always trying 500 00:27:24,196 --> 00:27:27,316 Speaker 1: to do, like, you know, to keep it so full, 501 00:27:27,436 --> 00:27:30,196 Speaker 1: like that's like the number one thing because I don't know, 502 00:27:30,276 --> 00:27:33,836 Speaker 1: like where there's like beast that that's not so ful 503 00:27:33,876 --> 00:27:35,596 Speaker 1: to me. It's like I don't know if I'm gonna 504 00:27:35,596 --> 00:27:39,476 Speaker 1: like it like personally for me, but I'm really happy 505 00:27:39,476 --> 00:27:41,956 Speaker 1: that I found like a link to like electronic and 506 00:27:41,996 --> 00:27:45,316 Speaker 1: then soul music. So you know, a lot of people 507 00:27:45,676 --> 00:27:47,876 Speaker 1: did it, but it's not never been in the forefront, 508 00:27:48,036 --> 00:27:51,156 Speaker 1: you know, Like you hear like people like like you know, 509 00:27:51,276 --> 00:27:54,316 Speaker 1: Jay Delve was doing it a lot, and then it's 510 00:27:54,356 --> 00:27:58,876 Speaker 1: just something I picked up where I studied Jay Dillis 511 00:27:58,916 --> 00:28:01,356 Speaker 1: swing and you know, like those cats that are like 512 00:28:01,756 --> 00:28:03,716 Speaker 1: from like you know, in the same circle, like Black 513 00:28:03,756 --> 00:28:07,236 Speaker 1: Milk and mad Lib and you know, just blazed us 514 00:28:07,276 --> 00:28:10,276 Speaker 1: that too, and I'm just like did it on in 515 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:12,876 Speaker 1: terms of like, oh, how would if I put like 516 00:28:12,876 --> 00:28:15,396 Speaker 1: a filter on a how speed? Like how would that 517 00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:18,636 Speaker 1: sound like? So you know, I just like went full 518 00:28:18,636 --> 00:28:20,956 Speaker 1: all my ideas at the time and then and that 519 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:24,276 Speaker 1: really like popped off cool and it doesn't sound like 520 00:28:24,396 --> 00:28:27,156 Speaker 1: anything that came before it, but it does have a 521 00:28:27,156 --> 00:28:31,316 Speaker 1: familiarity that feels good. It doesn't feel foreign. It feels 522 00:28:31,396 --> 00:28:35,916 Speaker 1: more like different and comfortable at the same time. It's 523 00:28:35,996 --> 00:28:39,996 Speaker 1: great feeling. Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know it's great that 524 00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:43,156 Speaker 1: you know, like the idea really executed well and then 525 00:28:43,316 --> 00:28:46,636 Speaker 1: people are like paying attention to it. You know. I 526 00:28:46,676 --> 00:28:49,636 Speaker 1: remember you came to visit me and why maybe three 527 00:28:49,716 --> 00:28:52,796 Speaker 1: or four years ago a while ago, pre pandemic, and 528 00:28:52,836 --> 00:28:55,716 Speaker 1: we were listening to the music you were making then, 529 00:28:55,756 --> 00:29:00,356 Speaker 1: and it was already like felt like future disco. You know, 530 00:29:00,356 --> 00:29:03,636 Speaker 1: it was already you were already there, So I mean 531 00:29:03,676 --> 00:29:06,236 Speaker 1: from my point of view, I know you were there 532 00:29:06,316 --> 00:29:08,836 Speaker 1: before everybody because I heard it. Yeah, and at the 533 00:29:08,876 --> 00:29:10,396 Speaker 1: time that you were playing it for me, it sounds 534 00:29:10,476 --> 00:29:13,156 Speaker 1: felt really fresh to me, but also unlike what anything 535 00:29:13,196 --> 00:29:16,796 Speaker 1: else was going on. So that's why I'm talking about 536 00:29:16,836 --> 00:29:19,316 Speaker 1: It's like I heard it. I heard the sounds then, 537 00:29:19,476 --> 00:29:21,596 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's good to have a witness, you know. 538 00:29:21,676 --> 00:29:25,356 Speaker 1: Like yeah, in terms of like like you know, all 539 00:29:25,396 --> 00:29:27,796 Speaker 1: the beats I was making, it was like something you know, 540 00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:32,036 Speaker 1: just experiments, you know, and you know, a lot of 541 00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:33,916 Speaker 1: people didn't really get it. Like I always send those 542 00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:37,036 Speaker 1: beats a lot of artists, and it's like they don't 543 00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:41,236 Speaker 1: really get it in the first time. Like I don't know. 544 00:29:41,316 --> 00:29:44,476 Speaker 1: Some people are really like okay, like they're gonna do it, 545 00:29:45,156 --> 00:29:47,396 Speaker 1: but sometimes most of the time it's like they don't 546 00:29:47,396 --> 00:29:51,316 Speaker 1: really understand or day they want to hit, so it's 547 00:29:51,316 --> 00:29:54,076 Speaker 1: not gonna work for their albums. A lot of a 548 00:29:54,076 --> 00:29:56,476 Speaker 1: lot of my albums are like people who passed on, 549 00:29:57,276 --> 00:29:59,596 Speaker 1: you know, the production, like they did the song and 550 00:29:59,636 --> 00:30:03,276 Speaker 1: they didn't put on their albums. So and then I'm 551 00:30:03,276 --> 00:30:04,956 Speaker 1: like asking them, can I use that for my album? 552 00:30:04,956 --> 00:30:07,876 Speaker 1: And it's like okay, sure. So a lot of those 553 00:30:08,476 --> 00:30:10,876 Speaker 1: out of my wombs are made up like compilation of 554 00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:14,636 Speaker 1: just missus. You know, like I would understand why it 555 00:30:14,676 --> 00:30:18,036 Speaker 1: doesn't fit their album because this sound is so distinct 556 00:30:18,476 --> 00:30:21,516 Speaker 1: from the other stuff. Yeah, something I would honest, I 557 00:30:21,556 --> 00:30:24,756 Speaker 1: wouldn't really understand then. But now it's like, okay, I 558 00:30:24,836 --> 00:30:28,076 Speaker 1: get it now, you know, And now everybody's doing it, 559 00:30:28,196 --> 00:30:31,436 Speaker 1: you know, so I guess you know, the first one 560 00:30:31,516 --> 00:30:34,476 Speaker 1: that's that is trying something sort of new. It's like 561 00:30:34,516 --> 00:30:38,676 Speaker 1: it's always gonna beat them. Who's gonna like not get 562 00:30:38,796 --> 00:30:42,676 Speaker 1: the cake? Yeah, you know, so, but you never know, 563 00:30:42,756 --> 00:30:45,476 Speaker 1: you never know how it comes around and who knows. Also, 564 00:30:46,356 --> 00:30:49,756 Speaker 1: the fact that you were onto that sound first also 565 00:30:49,836 --> 00:30:52,676 Speaker 1: means you'll probably develop that into a new sound first 566 00:30:53,796 --> 00:30:56,916 Speaker 1: maybe and and well you know, you'll see, you'll see 567 00:30:56,916 --> 00:30:59,356 Speaker 1: how it works. Yeah, you know, I might. The movie's 568 00:30:59,396 --> 00:31:02,396 Speaker 1: not over, Yeah exactly. I know. It's like I feel 569 00:31:02,436 --> 00:31:06,156 Speaker 1: like my like my career, like it has just started 570 00:31:06,356 --> 00:31:08,916 Speaker 1: as at the same time. So like like you said, 571 00:31:09,116 --> 00:31:11,036 Speaker 1: you never know, and like I might be surprised of 572 00:31:11,196 --> 00:31:13,796 Speaker 1: like so many things. You know. It seems like, I mean, 573 00:31:13,796 --> 00:31:17,036 Speaker 1: it seems like that from when I first met you. 574 00:31:17,196 --> 00:31:19,276 Speaker 1: It was already things that were really popping off on 575 00:31:19,356 --> 00:31:22,316 Speaker 1: like a club level, and it feels like it's only 576 00:31:22,356 --> 00:31:26,396 Speaker 1: grown since, like continually just keeps growing. Yeah, it feels good. 577 00:31:26,436 --> 00:31:29,916 Speaker 1: It's good to know because sometimes like I'm like, am 578 00:31:29,956 --> 00:31:32,316 Speaker 1: I doing it right? You know? Like? Or am I 579 00:31:32,436 --> 00:31:35,396 Speaker 1: like being too different? Or there are times where like 580 00:31:35,396 --> 00:31:38,516 Speaker 1: people sound exactly like me, like it really like sometimes 581 00:31:38,636 --> 00:31:40,956 Speaker 1: messes with me. Its messes my head. So I just 582 00:31:40,956 --> 00:31:43,436 Speaker 1: want to try new things. And I feel like I'm 583 00:31:43,516 --> 00:31:46,436 Speaker 1: back to zero in terms of like Okay, let me 584 00:31:46,476 --> 00:31:49,836 Speaker 1: try something new, Like in terms of like okay, like 585 00:31:50,036 --> 00:31:53,396 Speaker 1: nobody really did that, you know, that funk that they 586 00:31:53,396 --> 00:31:55,836 Speaker 1: were doing Dan, They're not doing it today. Like there's 587 00:31:55,876 --> 00:31:58,476 Speaker 1: like a lot of stuff that pick up from stuff 588 00:31:58,516 --> 00:32:01,196 Speaker 1: that I listened to and then get inspiration from that 589 00:32:01,436 --> 00:32:04,516 Speaker 1: and then create. We're gonna take a quick break and 590 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:11,396 Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more from Kate Vernada. We're 591 00:32:11,436 --> 00:32:14,876 Speaker 1: back with the rest of Rick Rubin's conversation with Kaye Nada. 592 00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:17,636 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you produce an artist where you 593 00:32:17,676 --> 00:32:20,316 Speaker 1: do the whole album, because I feel like that it 594 00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:23,036 Speaker 1: would make sense because you have such a specific sound. 595 00:32:23,916 --> 00:32:26,636 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to when that happens the right artist, 596 00:32:26,836 --> 00:32:29,556 Speaker 1: the right combination. Yeah, I feel like it's going to 597 00:32:29,596 --> 00:32:32,996 Speaker 1: be a special thing when it happens. Yeah, it's something 598 00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:34,876 Speaker 1: I always want to do, Like I always want to 599 00:32:34,876 --> 00:32:38,956 Speaker 1: produce a whole project, and a lot of that has 600 00:32:38,956 --> 00:32:43,036 Speaker 1: been happening, like in twenty twenty one, like three artists 601 00:32:43,036 --> 00:32:46,316 Speaker 1: I've been working with and turn out to be a 602 00:32:46,356 --> 00:32:49,676 Speaker 1: full on project. Things are coming together and I like 603 00:32:49,796 --> 00:32:52,516 Speaker 1: that too because it's like finally like my range as 604 00:32:52,516 --> 00:32:56,836 Speaker 1: a producer, like not only me being the main artist, 605 00:32:57,276 --> 00:32:59,076 Speaker 1: Like I want every want to be in the background, 606 00:32:59,156 --> 00:33:01,996 Speaker 1: you know, as a true producer, Like this has always 607 00:33:02,036 --> 00:33:06,196 Speaker 1: been my real dream. But because like even me being 608 00:33:06,196 --> 00:33:10,636 Speaker 1: a forefront, it's not something I always like. But yeah, eventually, 609 00:33:10,636 --> 00:33:13,396 Speaker 1: like you know, soon you'all gonna hear like kids, you 610 00:33:13,476 --> 00:33:16,036 Speaker 1: not how to produce albums, you know, Sure it makes 611 00:33:16,076 --> 00:33:20,796 Speaker 1: sense for you to simultaneously be an artist as well. 612 00:33:21,316 --> 00:33:24,916 Speaker 1: Also because the sound is so specific to you, Yeah 613 00:33:25,116 --> 00:33:27,876 Speaker 1: that when it's all together, it makes sense, like it's 614 00:33:27,876 --> 00:33:30,996 Speaker 1: it it makes sense that it's coming from you because 615 00:33:31,156 --> 00:33:34,236 Speaker 1: it's your sound. Yeah it's yeah, it's great, you know, 616 00:33:34,396 --> 00:33:37,236 Speaker 1: but you know, I wish, I wish people would let me, 617 00:33:37,476 --> 00:33:40,916 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm the feature artist, Like I wish 618 00:33:40,916 --> 00:33:43,156 Speaker 1: they would let me, you know, like you know, arrange 619 00:33:43,236 --> 00:33:45,076 Speaker 1: or mix. You know. Sometimes it's like they don't want 620 00:33:45,036 --> 00:33:47,396 Speaker 1: to let me do that, and I'm like, oh my god, 621 00:33:47,436 --> 00:33:50,396 Speaker 1: this could be so much better, you know. But yeah, 622 00:33:51,076 --> 00:33:53,316 Speaker 1: I feel like I got this ear where people like 623 00:33:54,316 --> 00:33:56,876 Speaker 1: a lot of people should trust me. But it is 624 00:33:56,876 --> 00:33:59,596 Speaker 1: what it is. I understand. How do you know, Like, um, 625 00:33:59,596 --> 00:34:01,676 Speaker 1: what's the feeling when it's good? Like, how do you 626 00:34:01,876 --> 00:34:04,476 Speaker 1: how do you know when it's good? Oh? Man, it's 627 00:34:04,516 --> 00:34:06,596 Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard to explain, like you know, you 628 00:34:06,636 --> 00:34:08,436 Speaker 1: get it, like you know deep in your heart, like 629 00:34:08,476 --> 00:34:10,796 Speaker 1: in your soul, like you just know, like it's like 630 00:34:11,676 --> 00:34:13,996 Speaker 1: it's like all right, and then you listen over and 631 00:34:14,036 --> 00:34:17,036 Speaker 1: over and even if it's like in five years that 632 00:34:17,116 --> 00:34:20,636 Speaker 1: stuff is coming out, you just know that it's like, man, 633 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,876 Speaker 1: this is the wildest, like this is the craziest stuff, 634 00:34:23,916 --> 00:34:26,476 Speaker 1: Like nobody heard it. It gets old to you as well, 635 00:34:26,516 --> 00:34:31,196 Speaker 1: because like nobody. Yeah, I'm like personally, like I would 636 00:34:31,196 --> 00:34:32,916 Speaker 1: get used to a lot of beats that I listened 637 00:34:32,956 --> 00:34:35,916 Speaker 1: to and I'm like this is so amazing, Like this 638 00:34:35,996 --> 00:34:38,516 Speaker 1: is so good. It's like it's been like three years 639 00:34:38,556 --> 00:34:41,316 Speaker 1: that those songs are not those beets are not even out, 640 00:34:41,436 --> 00:34:45,396 Speaker 1: are not even used, and then it'll be used and 641 00:34:45,476 --> 00:34:48,236 Speaker 1: it's like it's new again. Like it's like it's like 642 00:34:48,276 --> 00:34:52,636 Speaker 1: it's been reborn, just like twin Flame from example. You know, 643 00:34:52,796 --> 00:34:55,756 Speaker 1: So is that a track that's been around for a minute? 644 00:34:55,756 --> 00:34:58,156 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cool? Well, you know, I was in Hawaii 645 00:34:58,196 --> 00:35:00,396 Speaker 1: with you, like playing that song and they are so 646 00:35:01,596 --> 00:35:06,156 Speaker 1: and that's like twenty eighteen. Wow. Yeah. What's interesting about 647 00:35:06,196 --> 00:35:10,676 Speaker 1: that also is that normally when I think about dance music, 648 00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:16,476 Speaker 1: dance music often has a short fuse, like if there's 649 00:35:16,516 --> 00:35:20,236 Speaker 1: a hot sound, it's not hot long, you know, like 650 00:35:20,276 --> 00:35:22,076 Speaker 1: it changes fast. So the fact that you can make 651 00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:25,876 Speaker 1: a beat four years ago and have it feel fresh today, 652 00:35:25,996 --> 00:35:28,676 Speaker 1: it's a good sign for its timelessness. You know, it's 653 00:35:28,716 --> 00:35:33,156 Speaker 1: not it's not just a trend, because the trends don't 654 00:35:33,196 --> 00:35:36,476 Speaker 1: last that long. Yeah, exactly, Like this is something I 655 00:35:36,596 --> 00:35:39,036 Speaker 1: taught thought about it as well. It's like, how come 656 00:35:39,036 --> 00:35:40,916 Speaker 1: I have to five years like I'm listening to the 657 00:35:40,956 --> 00:35:44,476 Speaker 1: same demo, didn't change anything and it's still as perfect 658 00:35:44,516 --> 00:35:47,276 Speaker 1: as it sounds. You know, there's a lot of songs 659 00:35:47,276 --> 00:35:50,396 Speaker 1: on that I'm like, that's been unreleased and I'm like, yeah, 660 00:35:50,676 --> 00:35:52,636 Speaker 1: this is gonna be so good when it comes out. 661 00:35:53,236 --> 00:35:55,236 Speaker 1: But it's been a long time. You know. There's like 662 00:35:55,996 --> 00:35:58,956 Speaker 1: and there's stuff on people's album too that people that 663 00:35:58,996 --> 00:36:01,836 Speaker 1: wouldn't I work with that they were going to use 664 00:36:01,876 --> 00:36:04,556 Speaker 1: it for the album, and I'm like, man I pick 665 00:36:04,676 --> 00:36:07,036 Speaker 1: that one up, man Like it would have been like 666 00:36:07,196 --> 00:36:09,676 Speaker 1: so good for them. You know, it eyes as it's 667 00:36:09,676 --> 00:36:12,236 Speaker 1: supposed to arrive, and there's a story going on that's 668 00:36:12,916 --> 00:36:16,276 Speaker 1: beyond us. You know, it's exactly always interesting when when 669 00:36:16,316 --> 00:36:19,836 Speaker 1: it comes up, it's like surprised by what happens. Yeah, 670 00:36:20,116 --> 00:36:22,116 Speaker 1: but it's crazy because deep down your soul, you know, 671 00:36:22,196 --> 00:36:24,716 Speaker 1: like you said, like knew something is right, and it's 672 00:36:24,796 --> 00:36:27,916 Speaker 1: like wow, it's like now I can listen to disco 673 00:36:27,956 --> 00:36:32,396 Speaker 1: records from the seventies and they sound as exciting as 674 00:36:32,516 --> 00:36:35,756 Speaker 1: anything I've ever heard. Yeah, you know, like it's it's 675 00:36:35,796 --> 00:36:38,076 Speaker 1: amazing the power of some of these things. And then 676 00:36:38,276 --> 00:36:40,276 Speaker 1: you can listen to some stuff that you love, you know, 677 00:36:40,356 --> 00:36:41,956 Speaker 1: five years ago, ten years ago, and you listen to 678 00:36:41,996 --> 00:36:45,356 Speaker 1: it now it sounds old. You know, it feels like temporary. 679 00:36:45,396 --> 00:36:48,316 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of like songs 680 00:36:48,356 --> 00:36:51,356 Speaker 1: that I used to love and then have an aged 681 00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:54,076 Speaker 1: well yeah, and it's like, oh, it's not this is 682 00:36:54,076 --> 00:36:56,796 Speaker 1: not my favorite album anymore, Like I changed my mind. 683 00:36:56,836 --> 00:36:59,556 Speaker 1: You know. There's a lot of like stuff that revisit 684 00:36:59,756 --> 00:37:02,756 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, maybe maybe not tell me what 685 00:37:02,836 --> 00:37:05,756 Speaker 1: you mostly listen to. Slot of new wave, it's a 686 00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:08,716 Speaker 1: lot of new wave records. New wave like eighties New Way, 687 00:37:08,796 --> 00:37:11,956 Speaker 1: like eight New Way. There's just something about how they 688 00:37:12,076 --> 00:37:16,396 Speaker 1: use like like how unquantized their stuff are and it's 689 00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:19,916 Speaker 1: like it's all sense and it's all like bad singing, 690 00:37:20,636 --> 00:37:24,356 Speaker 1: but it's it has this vibe too, like that's I 691 00:37:24,356 --> 00:37:26,676 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just something. It just does something to me. 692 00:37:26,956 --> 00:37:29,596 Speaker 1: New wave was like an outgrowth of punk rock. Sounded 693 00:37:29,636 --> 00:37:34,596 Speaker 1: different the spirit of it. It was called post punk yeah, 694 00:37:34,636 --> 00:37:37,716 Speaker 1: and post punk kind of turned into new wave. Yeah, 695 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:40,076 Speaker 1: and post punk was like the same people who might 696 00:37:40,116 --> 00:37:42,756 Speaker 1: have been making punk rock, but now they're making dance 697 00:37:42,876 --> 00:37:45,396 Speaker 1: music where they're making like a do it yourself attempt 698 00:37:45,396 --> 00:37:48,356 Speaker 1: at pop music. Yeah, and I love that you can 699 00:37:48,396 --> 00:37:52,316 Speaker 1: sell they were experimenting and it's like by the years. 700 00:37:52,836 --> 00:37:55,236 Speaker 1: You know, if you listen to one song from eighty three, 701 00:37:55,396 --> 00:37:58,396 Speaker 1: it's like more like rage drums, and then like you 702 00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:01,916 Speaker 1: go to eighty seven, like when stuff is more clean 703 00:38:01,996 --> 00:38:05,116 Speaker 1: and quintized. You know, it's like I just love like 704 00:38:05,236 --> 00:38:07,556 Speaker 1: saying like the year, and it's like you just know 705 00:38:07,596 --> 00:38:10,836 Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a raw new wave record. When 706 00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:14,276 Speaker 1: you you'll see like something from eighty six, you know 707 00:38:14,316 --> 00:38:18,676 Speaker 1: it'll be like more clean, more crystallized, you know, sonically. 708 00:38:18,796 --> 00:38:23,156 Speaker 1: So would you say that your relationship to music has 709 00:38:23,276 --> 00:38:28,796 Speaker 1: changed since you were a child? No? Same, not at all. 710 00:38:29,196 --> 00:38:33,276 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Not at all. It's like the 711 00:38:33,356 --> 00:38:36,116 Speaker 1: level for music has always been the same. I always 712 00:38:36,156 --> 00:38:38,196 Speaker 1: got a song in my head since I was like five, 713 00:38:38,876 --> 00:38:42,836 Speaker 1: Like not I'm not a DHD like diagnosed, but like 714 00:38:42,916 --> 00:38:45,636 Speaker 1: I just know that's what I had. Like when I 715 00:38:45,676 --> 00:38:48,476 Speaker 1: was like struggling with school, it was really like the 716 00:38:48,676 --> 00:38:51,196 Speaker 1: music in my head or music videos in my head. 717 00:38:51,236 --> 00:38:55,116 Speaker 1: So it's like or even percussions with pencils like I 718 00:38:55,196 --> 00:38:58,796 Speaker 1: was doing all that. Yeah, it didn't change. I don't 719 00:38:58,796 --> 00:39:00,516 Speaker 1: think I ever asked you this, But how did you 720 00:39:00,516 --> 00:39:03,836 Speaker 1: get your artist's name? How do you become Katronada? How'd 721 00:39:03,876 --> 00:39:07,236 Speaker 1: I become Katronada? Oh? Like I said, like my name 722 00:39:07,636 --> 00:39:13,516 Speaker 1: was katrd like Nore Domas, so that name really stood 723 00:39:13,556 --> 00:39:15,996 Speaker 1: by me. And that that's when like I started to 724 00:39:16,476 --> 00:39:20,396 Speaker 1: get my name out there in Montreal. And then there 725 00:39:20,476 --> 00:39:24,276 Speaker 1: was another artist named Filostra Damash yeah, like well a 726 00:39:24,276 --> 00:39:27,396 Speaker 1: group like a duel, yeah, and I got myself to 727 00:39:27,516 --> 00:39:30,036 Speaker 1: make a trap like the trap stuff. Well it was 728 00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:32,316 Speaker 1: like actually like big at the time. That was like 729 00:39:32,316 --> 00:39:36,316 Speaker 1: a trend that that was following then. And people were like, 730 00:39:36,756 --> 00:39:39,516 Speaker 1: you got Katra Doma's name, like you know, like you 731 00:39:39,596 --> 00:39:42,236 Speaker 1: sound like Flostro Damas. But I always had that name, 732 00:39:42,436 --> 00:39:46,796 Speaker 1: which is funny. So before like things started to go crazy, 733 00:39:46,836 --> 00:39:49,396 Speaker 1: I just said, oh, I'm just like people call me 734 00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:53,116 Speaker 1: Katra anyways, so I just took out the dominic but 735 00:39:53,396 --> 00:39:57,236 Speaker 1: Nada and I don't know why it sounded nice and 736 00:39:57,276 --> 00:40:01,276 Speaker 1: I was like Katra and I was like from cant 737 00:40:01,356 --> 00:40:04,516 Speaker 1: and then Nada, you know, like it's like it's kind 738 00:40:04,516 --> 00:40:07,636 Speaker 1: of like a fun like ways say Katra from Canada. 739 00:40:08,236 --> 00:40:11,676 Speaker 1: But I don't know why I was not a Canada. 740 00:40:12,036 --> 00:40:16,156 Speaker 1: I never made that connection. Yeah, like interesting, It's like 741 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:19,236 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it really love No, I love 742 00:40:19,276 --> 00:40:22,516 Speaker 1: the sound of it sound nice. It looks nice to 743 00:40:22,636 --> 00:40:25,756 Speaker 1: the way it's Britain. Yeah, was it obvious that you 744 00:40:25,796 --> 00:40:29,956 Speaker 1: wanted a artist's name instead of calling yourself by your 745 00:40:30,076 --> 00:40:32,996 Speaker 1: given name. No, but it's a decision you made. It's 746 00:40:33,036 --> 00:40:36,276 Speaker 1: interest just interesting decision. Yeah. At the time, like you know, 747 00:40:36,356 --> 00:40:38,796 Speaker 1: like I was like really, I was like nineteen toy yea. 748 00:40:38,956 --> 00:40:40,676 Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I'll go I'll stick by 749 00:40:40,676 --> 00:40:43,316 Speaker 1: that name. And it was like it was fine. But 750 00:40:43,556 --> 00:40:46,436 Speaker 1: now I'm like, man, I wish I love you like 751 00:40:46,596 --> 00:40:49,116 Speaker 1: I love Katnada. I think it's a beautiful name. Thank you, 752 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:50,756 Speaker 1: thank you. But you know, I wish I had my 753 00:40:51,156 --> 00:40:53,676 Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish I had my first name, like my 754 00:40:53,676 --> 00:40:56,476 Speaker 1: my full name as an artist. I mean, I feel 755 00:40:56,516 --> 00:40:58,076 Speaker 1: like a lot of people go through that Eve had 756 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,916 Speaker 1: like the weekend, like Abel was telling that he wanted 757 00:41:00,996 --> 00:41:04,516 Speaker 1: to like have his name Abel estimate artist. But you 758 00:41:04,556 --> 00:41:07,836 Speaker 1: can't reallydo that because it's like like you could go 759 00:41:07,876 --> 00:41:10,876 Speaker 1: on and decline it. Also, is there's something about a 760 00:41:11,076 --> 00:41:14,996 Speaker 1: name that takes on like a mythology, you know, like 761 00:41:15,116 --> 00:41:19,156 Speaker 1: Katron is not really a person who's sitting here talking 762 00:41:19,196 --> 00:41:20,596 Speaker 1: to me, do you know what I'm saying. It's like 763 00:41:20,596 --> 00:41:24,116 Speaker 1: it's something else. It's like Katron is an idea. You know. 764 00:41:24,156 --> 00:41:26,756 Speaker 1: It's like it's not just a person, it's like a 765 00:41:27,236 --> 00:41:30,396 Speaker 1: point of view. It's a way of seeing the world. 766 00:41:30,476 --> 00:41:34,436 Speaker 1: And that's what the name is. Yeah, represents something. It's 767 00:41:34,436 --> 00:41:36,916 Speaker 1: true because like you gotta think that's it's not really 768 00:41:37,476 --> 00:41:40,636 Speaker 1: You're like you're more than just like a person or 769 00:41:40,796 --> 00:41:43,276 Speaker 1: just the artists. You're like, your music is out there, 770 00:41:44,036 --> 00:41:47,316 Speaker 1: you know, buy your name. So it's like when I 771 00:41:47,516 --> 00:41:49,316 Speaker 1: when I wanted to change my name, I was like, 772 00:41:49,636 --> 00:41:53,156 Speaker 1: I should probably not because it'll mix people's head as 773 00:41:53,316 --> 00:41:55,516 Speaker 1: heads up a little bit. You know. It's like, yeah, 774 00:41:55,956 --> 00:41:58,516 Speaker 1: I was like thinking about how you know, Puffy changed 775 00:41:58,556 --> 00:42:01,396 Speaker 1: his name to Diddy. But at the same time, Puffy 776 00:42:01,556 --> 00:42:05,116 Speaker 1: like is also more than just the musician. You know, 777 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,796 Speaker 1: got a career, he got a business career, all this 778 00:42:07,876 --> 00:42:09,916 Speaker 1: stuff going on to bad boys stuff. So it's like, 779 00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,236 Speaker 1: you know, I wish I had that power in terms 780 00:42:13,276 --> 00:42:15,556 Speaker 1: of like changing my name, but it's not a big 781 00:42:15,596 --> 00:42:17,236 Speaker 1: deal at the same time, you know what I mean, 782 00:42:17,476 --> 00:42:20,396 Speaker 1: like I can just embrace it and be like, Okay, 783 00:42:20,436 --> 00:42:23,156 Speaker 1: this is who I birth did. I think it's beautiful. 784 00:42:23,196 --> 00:42:25,436 Speaker 1: I really do. I like it. I like that name. 785 00:42:25,516 --> 00:42:28,596 Speaker 1: I like I like your personal name. Too, but something 786 00:42:28,636 --> 00:42:31,276 Speaker 1: about it as an artist's name. It's just cool. Yeah, 787 00:42:31,316 --> 00:42:34,796 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. You selected well. Thank you, thank you, 788 00:42:35,436 --> 00:42:37,596 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming to visit. Oh Ma, 789 00:42:37,836 --> 00:42:39,956 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I love seeing you man. 790 00:42:40,076 --> 00:42:44,476 Speaker 1: I've seen you too. Man. It's so good to read. Reunite. Yeah, 791 00:42:44,676 --> 00:42:50,436 Speaker 1: all this time man, and we will again. Yeah. Thanks 792 00:42:50,436 --> 00:42:52,916 Speaker 1: to Ktronata for chatting through his career and approach to 793 00:42:52,996 --> 00:42:56,916 Speaker 1: making beats with Rick. You hear our favorite Kjrenata produced songs. 794 00:42:56,996 --> 00:43:00,236 Speaker 1: Check out the playlist at Broken Record podcast Come Off. 795 00:43:01,036 --> 00:43:03,396 Speaker 1: Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube 796 00:43:03,396 --> 00:43:06,356 Speaker 1: dot com slash Broken Record Podcast, where you can find 797 00:43:06,556 --> 00:43:09,636 Speaker 1: all of our new episodes. You can follow something at 798 00:43:09,636 --> 00:43:12,676 Speaker 1: Broken Record. 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