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Speaker 1: of Against the Chronicles podcast with me, Norm Steele and
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Speaker 1: have a special guest. This man puts the G and Gangster.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most revered and respected members of
Speaker 1: not only Southern hip hop, but the entire hip hop
Speaker 1: nation and the streets. J Prince, the founder of Houston,
Speaker 1: Texas based Rapp a Lot Records, introduced us the gainst
Speaker 1: rap artist, sex of the Ghetto Boys, traded truth scar Faced,
Speaker 1: Willie D, and others. His reputation proceeds him from his
Speaker 1: ties with Chicago political prisoner Larry Hoover to his victory
Speaker 1: over corrupt federal officers. J Princes revered and love and
Speaker 1: not just his native Fifth Ward, Texas, but hoods all
Speaker 1: over urban America. What's happening to look? J oh yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all doing that. We're all good, man. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you, don't hear what. It's a night we
Speaker 1: go stick strictly to the party. Now. The company is
Speaker 1: named after your brother, Sir rapp a Lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel what You're putting your hustle to the curb
Speaker 1: and everything to start a record company only to have
Speaker 1: him wind up in the pin. Yeah. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I still feel bad for him, you know, all the
Speaker 1: way up until this day, man, because you know, we
Speaker 1: all know we had to live with the choices that
Speaker 1: we make in life. And uh he uh at the time,
Speaker 1: didn't really he had been burned you know how you
Speaker 1: know how how woman get burned from from Nigga's proud
Speaker 1: to you getting with him and and and they they
Speaker 1: don't believe you know what I mean, they'd be scarred, right.
Speaker 1: So I think my brother had got scarred for dealing
Speaker 1: with people proud to dealing with me. And you know
Speaker 1: he didn't bleed, man, So he decided to do some
Speaker 1: other ship, you know, and it costing twenty something years. Wow, man,
Speaker 1: that that's that's crucial right there, man, twenty some years.
Speaker 1: And I know they had to be something for him
Speaker 1: to seeing all the success Dickshaw had follow on his incarceration. Man, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no for show man, and uh he done what twenty
Speaker 1: two years? He came home, he stayed home for two
Speaker 1: years and and now I've been going another with eight
Speaker 1: years or so. So you know it's, uh, the story
Speaker 1: ain't over with. But you know the motherck ain't ain't
Speaker 1: been pretty, you know, yeah, for sure, man. That's all
Speaker 1: sometimes man, usually that's the state. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying when we're dealing with the streets jay um, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to take that flip side and trying to
Speaker 1: do something better, something different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when we deep in that streets, you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of try to find our way out of it.
Speaker 1: But then you know, sometimes when you come home, then
Speaker 1: then then them tests in the trials of what it
Speaker 1: is in the streets that got you there be be
Speaker 1: kind of pulling you back in so to speak. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we we were definitely is aware of all the you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, all the uh, the different rigs
Speaker 1: that exist in the street. And a lot of times, uh,
Speaker 1: you know when we's it's two it's two things man
Speaker 1: that really that our witness that really uh keep a
Speaker 1: man in bundage, you know what I mean. And one
Speaker 1: of them is a lack of education, and that education
Speaker 1: is not just in school, but you know, we can
Speaker 1: be educated through our walk of life on the block,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and the other one
Speaker 1: is uh, bad habits. So you know when we when
Speaker 1: we make those bad habits, you know, such as testing
Speaker 1: this drug or this situation, then you know that's that's
Speaker 1: something that you might say, oh, I want to leave
Speaker 1: you alone, and then and say no, come back to me,
Speaker 1: and the next time, you know, you you're chasing that
Speaker 1: how to rest of your life, you know, temptations, especially
Speaker 1: just being in the streets. You know, you you that's
Speaker 1: all you really used to. That's how you really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been there. You've been there, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to get out of the streets. Like me, I
Speaker 1: wait until I get into my fifties. Just say fuck it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At some point you get
Speaker 1: tired of the streets because it's gonna beat you down.
Speaker 1: If it don't beat you down, it's gonna lay you down,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you just don't want
Speaker 1: to give up when it's too late. Yeah, And and
Speaker 1: that's the real right there. You know, as you tuched
Speaker 1: on something man earlier that we always talk about Man,
Speaker 1: the drugs. I remember Man and the um. You know,
Speaker 1: in the early days, just wrapping music. Everything was pro
Speaker 1: black and if you was walking around on crack, he
Speaker 1: was looked at as a tweaker, as a gegeger. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to be to dude on crack because what
Speaker 1: nobody fool on with you. And it's like now that's
Speaker 1: the narrative that they pushed into our young black folks. Man,
Speaker 1: they're talking about popping the po talking about popping the
Speaker 1: Molley this and that. So it's like they don't make
Speaker 1: it a cool and I almost think it's a conspiracy
Speaker 1: man just against our people almost to push that narrative,
Speaker 1: and and and and then another thing, Jay, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: how how do you see it? You know, because you
Speaker 1: come from our class and our school of hip hop
Speaker 1: from back in the day when when we was on
Speaker 1: a different page. What do you think is leading the
Speaker 1: youth and the young dudes today as far as pushing
Speaker 1: that agenda in music? I'm I said, um, you know
Speaker 1: with what's going on from the days of when we
Speaker 1: was putting out records like me Face, Ghetto Boys, whatever,
Speaker 1: complicts to the days of now where you hear a
Speaker 1: lot of youth advocating for the peel popping and the
Speaker 1: you know, the the DraCos and all of that. What
Speaker 1: do you think is misleading the hip hop artists and
Speaker 1: the young brothers today as far as why are they're
Speaker 1: going in that direction as far as music is concerned,
Speaker 1: because like Still's saying, we looked upon drug heads back
Speaker 1: in our days, is man, what the fuck? And I
Speaker 1: would like the advocate, So what do you take on that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, first of first of all,
Speaker 1: you know, I think our generations have to take some
Speaker 1: some responsibility for a lot of this ship that's even
Speaker 1: going on the day to a certain extent, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I you know, I'd be the first,
Speaker 1: you know, like like where my community is concerned, I'm
Speaker 1: might here right now, and you know, I remember it
Speaker 1: was a time that I helped, you know, destroy you know,
Speaker 1: the very community that I'm trying to uplift and and
Speaker 1: and Bill right now. So so I take responsibility and
Speaker 1: where that's concerned. But even though like you know, we
Speaker 1: we like the home is say, it wasn't no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't in style to want to be a tweak or
Speaker 1: to want to be you know, on drugs. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Our you know, my heroes. You know,
Speaker 1: I like to see a nigga ball from a dealer perspective.
Speaker 1: But you know, now and I nine and shifting like
Speaker 1: took of three sixty and you know, uh, they got
Speaker 1: this ship rear twisted. And I try to uh uh
Speaker 1: like you know, inspire and and uplift these young brothers,
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, by encouraging them and
Speaker 1: letting them know a man. That's uh, that's damn. They're
Speaker 1: close to suicide. It's just a matter of time before
Speaker 1: you pop the wrong pill for this wrong ding take
Speaker 1: place and you, you know, you get out of here.
Speaker 1: They're dying out here in my hood like flies popping
Speaker 1: them pig. Oh yeah, Man, that the opiates epidemic is serious, man,
Speaker 1: All through the South, all through the Midwest, you know,
Speaker 1: everywhere out here, man, and people losing their mind over
Speaker 1: them pills. And like I said, I think it's a conspiracy,
Speaker 1: which leads me to something. Man. Knowing that you started
Speaker 1: your career off as a music executive and you weren't
Speaker 1: in the streets no more, how did the field man
Speaker 1: of law enforcement just hand it out for you the
Speaker 1: way you did? Man? Because you kind of like the
Speaker 1: hero one the hood. You're the first dude to fight
Speaker 1: them cats and win. Yeah. Well, you know along my
Speaker 1: whole journey, Uh, they wanted to kill me out here
Speaker 1: in Texas. You know what I mean? It was, It
Speaker 1: was It was that real to the extent where I
Speaker 1: think they understood my mind to the extent that I
Speaker 1: was gonna inspired generations to come and in these people.
Speaker 1: You can't underestimate you know these fays are all these
Speaker 1: three letter individuals. Man. They they said I had to
Speaker 1: kill me, you know literally, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: put together a farmer to to stop from being killed
Speaker 1: throughout my whole journey, you know. And uh yeah, that
Speaker 1: does tie into that conspiracy that uh that I think
Speaker 1: still exists to this day. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I just happened to be one that you know, and
Speaker 1: I give our glory guard what es concerned because you know,
Speaker 1: it was the time I was too ignorant to even
Speaker 1: uh uh thanks straight and could protection on my own hand.
Speaker 1: So me sliding through the cracks of me being able
Speaker 1: to have this conversation and write the book that I wrote,
Speaker 1: you know, concerning my journey is uh like a chosen
Speaker 1: situation from up aboard, man, because everybody I know, you
Speaker 1: know that that interactive on the level and the playing
Speaker 1: field that I played on, you know, is out of here,
Speaker 1: uh going a long time. But every everybody gotta walk
Speaker 1: that walk. And when I see everybody gotta walk their walk,
Speaker 1: everybody go through the trials and trivelations of being in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, growing up in the neighborhood, dealing with the
Speaker 1: drugs and everything, everything above. But I think we have choices.
Speaker 1: We we we we we don't make those choices, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up in the hood, because we're moving fast and
Speaker 1: we ain't we ain't thinking about that. It's when we
Speaker 1: get in our thirties we're thinking like, damn, so you
Speaker 1: got this this new drugs, the peals in the land
Speaker 1: and all that ship. Cats still seeing their homies dive
Speaker 1: from this ship. But they're still doing it, and they're
Speaker 1: seeing it, just alterning their facial the appearance it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's taken away from us. But how do I
Speaker 1: mean my whole thing is to reach the neighborhood? How
Speaker 1: do you reach the little homies and tell them that
Speaker 1: this ain't the way to do it? I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't want to hear a conversation. So how has How
Speaker 1: does how you go by reaching I mean getting at
Speaker 1: them little catch? Yeah, well, well you have to you
Speaker 1: have to set up infrastructure in place where you you
Speaker 1: you have the young whole, the young accountable, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? How to be structured in place to
Speaker 1: the extent where uh uh, well no bus are concerned
Speaker 1: and and and the numbers after after our wait, you know,
Speaker 1: whoever is in disagreement. Other words, it's infrastructures in place
Speaker 1: out here where where I'm at, to the extent where
Speaker 1: if one is out of line, then they know, okay,
Speaker 1: you're against the whole army. It's certain lines that you crossed.
Speaker 1: But but that structure, you know, that comes, you know,
Speaker 1: like y'all problem, I already know that comes with a
Speaker 1: whole you know a lot of ships that you know,
Speaker 1: we can't ready to talk about right now. But structures,
Speaker 1: struct you know. But I know I know there exactly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was gonna ask you, you you know,
Speaker 1: going back to it, man, you know, because I read
Speaker 1: the book, and I've been a rap a lot of
Speaker 1: fan man since the original Get A Boys, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, since it was juke boxing all them.
Speaker 1: So did you gave a lot of game? I don't
Speaker 1: know whether you know it or not, Man, you gave
Speaker 1: a lot of games, brothers like myself when I was
Speaker 1: sitting on the east side of Cleveland, Ohio, because that
Speaker 1: was one of the first markets I think that y'all
Speaker 1: hitting right, Yeah, well, well the first city that embraced us.
Speaker 1: What your car going all right? Yeah? Yeah? Which which
Speaker 1: Cleveland ohiw you know that's crossed the street, right, So,
Speaker 1: so Chicago embraced us first. Matter of fact, the whole Midwest,
Speaker 1: the whole Midwest embraced us before anybody in Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you gave a lot of inspiration at the beginning of
Speaker 1: those albums because it was like you almost listened to
Speaker 1: the albums just to hear what you was gonna say
Speaker 1: at the beginning of them. And you talk about you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people, man, you talk about in
Speaker 1: particular man, the dude Chad Scott and the shoemaker dude,
Speaker 1: those are some dangerous cats. Yeah, hit man, get man's
Speaker 1: for the government. And that's what it seemed like they was.
Speaker 1: And I noticed, like you know, I read the book,
Speaker 1: so they had you over. They tried to get you
Speaker 1: to pull over into a dirt McDonald's parking lot like
Speaker 1: he was like he was boot with the food and
Speaker 1: just people over there just to get done. Yeah. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Now I really believe, man, with with all of my heart,
Speaker 1: that they're gonna hit me that night, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole the whole set up, Uh were
Speaker 1: set up for a hit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Other words, I had never got stopped and then a
Speaker 1: law told me to go somewhere and stop again. You know,
Speaker 1: normally where you get stopped, that's where you get stopped,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But they directed me to
Speaker 1: go in a or almost like a dog alley. But
Speaker 1: but even even before then, you know, they have been
Speaker 1: sending threats. You know, they have been um go reeling
Speaker 1: a lot of the homes in my hood and uh,
Speaker 1: sending a lot of death threats my way about what
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with me? And you know, because of
Speaker 1: a lot of acquisations and ship like that. So I'm
Speaker 1: like every day of my life. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a lifestyle how how I was marking, how we're moving.
Speaker 1: So even when they made that move, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like three four homers trailing me, so you know it
Speaker 1: was gonna be real ugly. But I just had enough
Speaker 1: sense to, uh, when I got to that light and
Speaker 1: they're talking about that dog, I say, I'm going over
Speaker 1: to the light. So I pull over to the light,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: how that went. Do you think, uh, you think that
Speaker 1: they just had it out for you because of who
Speaker 1: you were trying to be or who you were becoming
Speaker 1: or trying to make your you know, you know, you
Speaker 1: have so much control as far as people respecting you,
Speaker 1: and on that level, do you feel they just just
Speaker 1: hated the motherfucker just because Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: a combination of things. You know, when when when they
Speaker 1: witnessed any of us, you know, come out the hood,
Speaker 1: you know, when they understand where we came from, and
Speaker 1: they weren't able to distraught and and we started rising
Speaker 1: and not only do we rise ourselves, but we bring
Speaker 1: our loved ones. The home is with us and and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, it's like a movement
Speaker 1: that played that that takes place where we're living better
Speaker 1: than them, right so you you, you know, a monfuker
Speaker 1: like put you on the hit list. Because definitely, like
Speaker 1: in my era when it wasn't when rap music wasn't
Speaker 1: even power, So the way the way the movement taking
Speaker 1: place right now, this wasn't This wasn't happening the same
Speaker 1: way they they didn't have artists that had made it
Speaker 1: and went gold and ship like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: they may say fifty or a hundred niggas moving together
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, this got to be a money
Speaker 1: laundering game or dope down whatever they may think, right,
Speaker 1: because it was the beginning stages or my movement and
Speaker 1: I'm exercising, you know, my dreams and whatnot, and and
Speaker 1: their objective was to stop there saw where I had
Speaker 1: started and where I was going. You know, seen you
Speaker 1: almost reached doing some other stuff. You feel what I'm
Speaker 1: saying for you to do what she was doing was
Speaker 1: real powerful because not only was you moving, but she
Speaker 1: was bringing other brothers up off the street with you.
Speaker 1: You know what because you kind of like the thumb,
Speaker 1: you know, me reading the book and everything, and I
Speaker 1: see how you are, Warren should you were going. The
Speaker 1: other guy Earth got here too, you know, to watch
Speaker 1: out You're moving. Everything is It's almost like you prophesied
Speaker 1: that coming, like God gave you that the ceremony in
Speaker 1: your head to say, hey man, the storm is coming.
Speaker 1: Watch y'all and watch yourself, you know, play square. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: most definitely, man, h I definitely been blessed with the
Speaker 1: with the gift of intuition and discernment, and and that's
Speaker 1: what's saying my life a many times. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I always was the type of nigger that try to
Speaker 1: you know, share that with all the hom is I
Speaker 1: interacted with, you know what I mean, where where I
Speaker 1: saw it a lot of time. You know, niggas, you know,
Speaker 1: they thought I was crazy. You know, they come and
Speaker 1: they get you tripping. You know. Even when I decided
Speaker 1: to go to Corporate America. You know, I remember being
Speaker 1: right out there in the l A with some of
Speaker 1: the homies on sunset, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: and and like them, here is what I'm gonna go to.
Speaker 1: This is the new game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This was in the beginning of going, you know, to
Speaker 1: the rap. I said, this is the new game because
Speaker 1: I saw the vision and uh, you know, niggas laughing
Speaker 1: thought all the crazy thing in the world. Nigger used
Speaker 1: to leave all of this for that. Yeah, look at
Speaker 1: it could be. I mean, ship if you're coming from
Speaker 1: you know, if you were in that lifestyle there, you know,
Speaker 1: they're figuring like you already winning the funk. You want
Speaker 1: to funk with that rap, ship for it. And I
Speaker 1: already know in the beginning, you know, rap wouldn't real
Speaker 1: heavy for us in the South and on the West,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think the Baker
Speaker 1: was like man you're crazy as funk man here gonna
Speaker 1: get into this game because it wasn't solid for us
Speaker 1: at first. And you know, basically it was Catched like
Speaker 1: you who pioneer that independent game of being self sufficient
Speaker 1: and starting on rap label, who gave people that open
Speaker 1: eye that rap can be successful for a black entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, not just on not just
Speaker 1: on the artist's aspect, but you can truly be an
Speaker 1: entrepreneur and a black man who can run a successful
Speaker 1: company by being as a record label, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it all depends on who who that
Speaker 1: who the leader is, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I got to have some kind of businesses. I worked
Speaker 1: with Shild, I was I was one of the first
Speaker 1: that was with Shild. When Child came out, I actually
Speaker 1: walked away from it because I've seen it coming, uh
Speaker 1: bad things. So I lost my brother doing this situation too,
Speaker 1: and I just knew, I mean why Ship didn't take
Speaker 1: here to a lot of people was getting in his
Speaker 1: ear to tell him to slow down. Uh when he
Speaker 1: started drinking and all of that other Ship he became
Speaker 1: one of us. You know what I'm saying now, he's
Speaker 1: now he's just loose. Uh I told him before. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to to possess power because some other suckers
Speaker 1: don't know how to control power to being powerma, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you think those cats didn't
Speaker 1: listen to you when you warned them? Why do you
Speaker 1: think he would listen to you? And and and your
Speaker 1: way was working, his way didn't work. Why you don't
Speaker 1: think them cats listen? Well, you know, man, you know,
Speaker 1: pride to the motherfucker right and uh you know, like
Speaker 1: like like I've always been the type of dude. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd be inspired by nigga movement. You know, I try,
Speaker 1: I try, and uh uh take positive energy and being
Speaker 1: inspired by a movement versus you know, allowing jealousy and
Speaker 1: different ships. You know, my heart concerned and different things.
Speaker 1: And you know most of the home is you know,
Speaker 1: don't know how to differentiate where the tourists concerned. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, A nigga see of another man
Speaker 1: making it malice and it's hard and he want to
Speaker 1: down him or you know what I mean, he want
Speaker 1: to take what he got versus you know, getting some
Speaker 1: wisdom from the situation. So it's um and and a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of us do better when we
Speaker 1: know better. But you know, you said a mouthful, you
Speaker 1: know when you you know, if a man is intoxicated
Speaker 1: or man, you know, pick up one of them them
Speaker 1: habits to like cloud is um is thinking ability, then
Speaker 1: that's a that's a hell of a crutch, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a crutch that can get funk
Speaker 1: up your whole day. Damn your will, Yeah, damn your
Speaker 1: will because you know, you see the thing and you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about that. To me, I
Speaker 1: don't see them but saying this when I see that,
Speaker 1: because You've got a brother that had an opportunity and
Speaker 1: now it's just like you know, it's it's squandered. Man.
Speaker 1: And really it made it hard for the next executives
Speaker 1: that was coming through the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, man is at one time,
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about starting to distribute the distributor right,
Speaker 1: your own distributed right at one time, you Sugar and
Speaker 1: Earth gott he was talking about starting up on your
Speaker 1: own distribution company, correct exact. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of people in the country, Man, a
Speaker 1: lot of white people, man that wouldn't have liked to
Speaker 1: see that happen, because you know, if you're a young
Speaker 1: black dude, man, everybody was kind of engine towards being independent. Anyway,
Speaker 1: if you're a young brother and you see these three
Speaker 1: people that got all this knowledge, man, they go run
Speaker 1: towards you before they go the other way. So do
Speaker 1: you think they saw y'all as a vibal threat? Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that's real talk. We're talk now, that's real talk.
Speaker 1: You know, we all we had a meeting out there
Speaker 1: in l A where we were uh strategizing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because we all that was at a
Speaker 1: time where everybody's ship was bubbling, So you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like it was a good idea
Speaker 1: to brainstorm and and like plant the seeds on on
Speaker 1: how can we take this ship to another level and
Speaker 1: be uh lay a foundation for those that's gonna come
Speaker 1: behind us to have access you know what I mean
Speaker 1: to some real black owned power. And uh what I
Speaker 1: think happened, Well, I think, uh we didn't keep it
Speaker 1: under the radar the way we should have kept it.
Speaker 1: And and the fits at the time they were they
Speaker 1: probably had everybody got damn phone tap. Uh, I think
Speaker 1: they got a whiff or what was happening that And
Speaker 1: as y'all know, they the motherfucker's hit everybody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, almost like simultaneously, you know, they turned
Speaker 1: the flame up and uh yeah, that's that's how they ran. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're doing it. And that's scary to think, man, that
Speaker 1: they got that much power. Because we was talking to
Speaker 1: a cat um last week on our last show. They
Speaker 1: used to be in law enforcement. He was telling me
Speaker 1: how they do that, what's the what's the thing called
Speaker 1: what they do with the phones, the geo fencing and
Speaker 1: all that to where they can pretty much luck down
Speaker 1: a perimeter here and everything that everybody talk about. Yeah, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: Now it's real, ship, you know what I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people hear this, and and
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be hard for him to bleed that
Speaker 1: that the motherfucking operate like this, right. It almost sounded
Speaker 1: like some easy banker of and Shire to a lot
Speaker 1: of niggas that that had. Uh. I don't know how
Speaker 1: these people really work, so but but it's real, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they worked this way and you know,
Speaker 1: like in retrospect when you when you look at this,
Speaker 1: this this clown by the name of Chad Scott, this
Speaker 1: d A agent that uh that was that was that
Speaker 1: a night that pulled me over the hand like football
Speaker 1: painting up on his eyes and and and had an
Speaker 1: army suit on in a in the cutlass. He was
Speaker 1: in the cutlass. So you know what I mean, he
Speaker 1: had all this ship on and and today with ten years,
Speaker 1: twelve years or whatnot. After all of that, because you know,
Speaker 1: as everybody to know my story, you know, I end
Speaker 1: up talking to congress Woman Maxine Waters, who is out
Speaker 1: there in California. Now you know, she's an angel to me, right,
Speaker 1: because none of these politicians out here in Texas, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they would have let they would
Speaker 1: have they would have sit back and let me die,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But congress Woman Maxine Waters, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, had enough part to at least give me
Speaker 1: because he was my thing, right, my thing was. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's real clear to me that y'all trying to hit me.
Speaker 1: So I don't want y'all to be upset if I
Speaker 1: come out on top, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to put this on notice. You know, the
Speaker 1: best way I possibly could to uh to be able
Speaker 1: to be free if I came out on top because
Speaker 1: I understood what you was trying to do for me.
Speaker 1: So congress Woman Maxine Waters uh spoke up to me
Speaker 1: in places, spoke up for me in places where a
Speaker 1: lot of these you know politicians wouldn't you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Because she saw what was about to take place.
Speaker 1: Thank God for sinces like her. Man. And you know
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing you talk about. You know, you
Speaker 1: see Maxine Waters came to your rescue. Man. That's what
Speaker 1: I always up and talk to these brothers about. Man.
Speaker 1: We need more leaders to emerge from our community. Man,
Speaker 1: whether it's black men or black women. Four situations like that,
Speaker 1: because right now you know what you figured. We got,
Speaker 1: you know, minister Ferry con and he's eighty years old.
Speaker 1: Where's the next to do that? Everybody can't everybody can't
Speaker 1: be the basketball player, everybody can't be the rapper. Everybody
Speaker 1: can't go get a podcast. But you can't put yourself,
Speaker 1: like you said, knowledge of power. You can't put yourself
Speaker 1: to school man and come back and be a great
Speaker 1: service to your community. Yeah, yeah, no, that's real talking man.
Speaker 1: And again you know what I mean. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: she's an angel, you know what I mean. She's she's
Speaker 1: in her eight is right now, but she got more
Speaker 1: more more nutst than amn man I ever met, politician wise.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because you know I was
Speaker 1: in that room when she took a stand and then
Speaker 1: let them know, Okay, right is right, wrong is wrong,
Speaker 1: and he ain't by himself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna sit back and allow y'all to
Speaker 1: execute you know what I mean. This's thing that you
Speaker 1: know you're trying to do. Because here's a man like
Speaker 1: this shoemaker guy had like eight to ten bodies. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that he had been down right,
Speaker 1: This is this is something that's highly unusual for anyone
Speaker 1: officer to have killed that many people and steal on
Speaker 1: the situation, you know what I mean, built oh for
Speaker 1: so eight you know what I mean. So you know
Speaker 1: I just happened to uh to figure out how since
Speaker 1: since I was on the investigation, I decided to investigate them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Man, And that's something we
Speaker 1: have to know when you're an investigation. They ain't got
Speaker 1: to be a one way street, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you can investigate whoever is, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: especially if they're trying to funk with you and they're
Speaker 1: trying to charge you know what your enemy is about?
Speaker 1: So how did you do that? How do you investigate
Speaker 1: the law? I want to know this. How do I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you start this? Now this is a good ship.
Speaker 1: How do you investigate the law? The best investigator tapped
Speaker 1: to the bench one man I forgot his name, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I got the bench one and and bam,
Speaker 1: I let him know that he is this man that's
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do this to me. I need
Speaker 1: to know his history, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's real. It was real clear to me, homing uh
Speaker 1: from from the messages that he was sending sending me
Speaker 1: that you know, he wasn't a law Biden citizen, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, even being a police right. And
Speaker 1: this is this is part of of us thinking outside
Speaker 1: of the boxing. It's a part of being in fear.
Speaker 1: When when these people are you know, breaking rules and
Speaker 1: different hit themselves, then we gotta shot a spotlight on
Speaker 1: them because that's what they're trying to do to us,
Speaker 1: put a spotlight on us, to kill us off. Then
Speaker 1: that's a two way street for those that's not in
Speaker 1: fear and in bundance. So that slowed the process when
Speaker 1: you did that, I mean, because they look at us
Speaker 1: and they look at us as ignorant. They look at
Speaker 1: us as ignorant anyway, So for you to have the
Speaker 1: knowledge to turn to turn the same ship back on
Speaker 1: them as that they portrayed the youth probably put their
Speaker 1: ass in shock, because, like I said, that's the first
Speaker 1: thing they think when they look at brothers from the neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: they think we're so unintelligent and un uneducated to their
Speaker 1: laws and what they can do and what they can't do.
Speaker 1: They just take us for typical, like I said, under
Speaker 1: educated brothers to think that we would turn around and
Speaker 1: turn the flashlight back on a ass in the same manner.
Speaker 1: What probably was the biggest motherfucking shock and surprise today,
Speaker 1: ask they ever saw who the funk this motherfucker? I know,
Speaker 1: we are so used to saying or accepting whatever they
Speaker 1: throw at exactly we get pulled over. The first thing
Speaker 1: they do is asking some stupid ship like you don't
Speaker 1: know your laws and ship, So you get caught up
Speaker 1: because the first thing you do is you get intimidated
Speaker 1: when you see that badge and that gun, because, let's
Speaker 1: face it, a motherfucker coming out the neighborhood with a
Speaker 1: racial profile like that, you automatically know these motherfucker's gonna
Speaker 1: take me down for something or it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem instead of educating itself to know the laws and
Speaker 1: the positions that we can be in. So ship, that's
Speaker 1: like a victory for us and ship learning the game
Speaker 1: of investing the fucking I can investigate you as a citizen.
Speaker 1: Fuck it right, you know. And while it got you
Speaker 1: on you, I gotta ask you about this. Man. You're
Speaker 1: a person. Man is known man, you know, I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of was in the soft Man to walk
Speaker 1: calm but carry a big stick. And when you put
Speaker 1: out a courtesy notice to somebody, they tend to pay attention,
Speaker 1: you know, because you always touch him on the show
Speaker 1: the first man, exactly when you sit out, you shout
Speaker 1: out to your son's man. He discovered one of the
Speaker 1: biggest artists. Man, it's in the game right now, Drake,
Speaker 1: And you know not, Drake. Ain't it something? As soon
Speaker 1: as the ones discovered driver Drave his son is the
Speaker 1: one discovered Draking. You know he took him over the
Speaker 1: cash money many my son too though, Yeah Drake your son, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Man.
Speaker 1: You know one of the biggest artists in the game.
Speaker 1: Don't never hear his name mixed up in no myths.
Speaker 1: You can tell you come from good to the lex
Speaker 1: you know, um you had this another courtesy notice man.
Speaker 1: You know Mr Williams the bird Man. Yeah he was
Speaker 1: awaken or sleeping giant, So let me put your bullet
Speaker 1: don't notice by letting them know. Drake, his family and
Speaker 1: the week gift from Puffy and should is on my radar.
Speaker 1: First of all, Puffy feeling like he can put his
Speaker 1: hands on my family, open the doors for his family
Speaker 1: that he touched. You read what your soul and to
Speaker 1: shook a bath on little Wayne nutseet. Do you know
Speaker 1: I ride with Dray, so I accept any invitation you
Speaker 1: want to bring. I'm your worst knife mash knife. By
Speaker 1: the way, little Wayne is as management is a drawn
Speaker 1: wrong and the lawyer there's a thief. So for all
Speaker 1: of them together, disrespectful little pomp and two babies slim,
Speaker 1: I were not allowed get to stay on my track record.
Speaker 1: That cash money took anything from me and my son
Speaker 1: right by me and pay every pent And dude, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna live grass around you. But if it then
Speaker 1: you clown across me of my family. Mad noons, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna beat you home. I'm done, Talma done, Tom done.
Speaker 1: Did he ever resolve that situation? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: has been resolved. That has uh uh have ended, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And of course, like like like
Speaker 1: Birdman Master p you know, Tony Drake on them with
Speaker 1: my students right them. Them are guys that I inspired,
Speaker 1: that I you know, share my blueprint with and you
Speaker 1: know they took ship to different levels, so you know
Speaker 1: them always been like the homer is and uh you
Speaker 1: know that was the reason I allowed my son to
Speaker 1: you know, because that's some ship we could have done
Speaker 1: right in how but I wanted to see him in
Speaker 1: Little Wayne the next generation. Okay, y'all do y'all things,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, unfortunately when you when you do
Speaker 1: things a certain way, you know what I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: which could be not the best way of doing ship.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I don't I don't think that
Speaker 1: Birdman them well, I know they didn't intentionally, No ship
Speaker 1: was gonna go like it it went where I was concerned,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they had done business prior
Speaker 1: to my involvement, and I end up coming into a
Speaker 1: situation where they had, you know, taken what they've taken,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, like with with mc hammer,
Speaker 1: for example, the Home and Ham, I remember him selling
Speaker 1: all of these means of records on that first album,
Speaker 1: and he contemplating he gonna do the same thing on
Speaker 1: the following one. And sometimes ship don't go that way, right,
Speaker 1: and you you better like spend all your you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, paper and different ship thinking oh, this's
Speaker 1: gonna happen again, so I can I can blow this right.
Speaker 1: So so when the ship don't happen again, and and
Speaker 1: so happened, I have to come in the loop. And
Speaker 1: you know, ship wasn't right because he had taken this
Speaker 1: And now you know what I mean, you can't pay me,
Speaker 1: but but I can't allow that to be no excuse
Speaker 1: where my my son is concerned, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We gotta, we gotta half hours. So that was a
Speaker 1: long motherfucking way of answering that question, But yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 1: That's funny, that's one of the things that people know
Speaker 1: because I go when I heard that courtesy, Miss Jo said, Man,
Speaker 1: this is damn should make me give the phoness in
Speaker 1: that man a one. You know, Sai, I took a
Speaker 1: long time to just say, fun, we got our Sometimes
Speaker 1: like somethi, i't want to you don't want to confuse.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's out there because you know how people are twisting
Speaker 1: your words up and twist ship up. But you know,
Speaker 1: because some people just can't take the simplicity in we
Speaker 1: got what we had to get and that that was
Speaker 1: just it. People will take that and twisted all into
Speaker 1: different kind of forms and imaginations and ship and have
Speaker 1: a motherfucker hanging from trees and motherfucking balconies and ship
Speaker 1: just for just a clear discussion. You feel me, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's an amazing twist, man, because you stepped into
Speaker 1: two games man that they pretty much you don't see
Speaker 1: too many people of coloring the CEO C No, you
Speaker 1: got in the boxing world. Man, when you got into
Speaker 1: the boxing lane and I said, man, he's really out
Speaker 1: there doing this thing the box. How did you get
Speaker 1: into that, bro? Man? Yeah, well, you know boxing always
Speaker 1: was my first love before the music game. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I used to I used to watch
Speaker 1: Don King. I used to I used to watch that ship.
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to be a fighter when
Speaker 1: I was when I was younger, you know. And that
Speaker 1: was one of my reasons I build a recreation boxing
Speaker 1: gym and all that ship in my hood when I uh,
Speaker 1: you know what the man got the means to do so.
Speaker 1: But but that was my first love. Man. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I always been a nigger, even to this day,
Speaker 1: I exercise prayer, you know what I mean, even in
Speaker 1: the midst of inn and everything I've done. A lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of nigger had a misconception of of
Speaker 1: a man, you know, being a believer or follower guard
Speaker 1: some weak about him, right, but some some of the
Speaker 1: some of the the top profits in the world with gangsters,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, ladies down when when they
Speaker 1: when they had to right. So, so, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I love boxing. I prayed for a champion man it
Speaker 1: Uson's story. I prayed for a champion and and and
Speaker 1: set up a meeting with Mike Tyson and Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know, when he met with Tyson and uh, Tyson
Speaker 1: embraced me. Tyson new you know about my movement where rapping.
Speaker 1: I was concerned and uh, you know I've walked straight
Speaker 1: into the gym watching him spaw. So I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: okay this I prayed and asked for a champion. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I'm right here. So me and Tyson
Speaker 1: leader Jim go to the house and have a meeting.
Speaker 1: He put his wife at the time on the phone
Speaker 1: and uh, let him know that he want to work
Speaker 1: with me. So I left his house thinking I'm on
Speaker 1: the management team. But while I'm in that gym with him,
Speaker 1: Florida Mayweather was you know, it came to me like
Speaker 1: on two or three occasions, while I'm watching Mike Tyson spaw,
Speaker 1: Floord Maywether like, hey, yeah, hey Jake, you know I
Speaker 1: know a boy rapping that man whoo whoof I heard
Speaker 1: this group? I heard this group. I don't know Floored.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I don't know him. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, you know what I mean. I'm watching Mike.
Speaker 1: Another time he come up me and give me it's nothing,
Speaker 1: say j if you want to do something later on
Speaker 1: man on my number, I come get you and woo woo.
Speaker 1: So long story shot again, I called Mike Tyson. The
Speaker 1: next day, they didn't cut his phone off. The the
Speaker 1: jew Boys Shelley Finkel here that I'm getting that Mike Tyson,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the management team. His whole phone disconnected,
Speaker 1: so I can't reach him. I can't reach him, So
Speaker 1: I'm left with Floyd Mayweather number. And I asked the home.
Speaker 1: I said, let's just dude right here. He said, it's
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty pounds champion. So a red light
Speaker 1: went off in my here, and I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 1: prayed for a champion. So long story shot, me and
Speaker 1: florda Donna deal man less than a week for the
Speaker 1: next four years. Wow. And that was my aach other
Speaker 1: stuff working. And you had a situation with that to
Speaker 1: where you had another dude try to come in and
Speaker 1: run into ference in the game. You had to make
Speaker 1: another courtesy call. We won't talk about that too much,
Speaker 1: but I heard about that for a few people together.
Speaker 1: You know, another demonstration got put down. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's about to take heed to these damn
Speaker 1: courtesy calls and ship don't get their ass put in
Speaker 1: what I don't think I made a courtesy call, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, norly. No, only a curtasy call is
Speaker 1: connected to family. You know, I'll be trying, you know,
Speaker 1: with family, you try to let him know. A man
Speaker 1: do right by exactly, you know. With but with those
Speaker 1: as you know, some of them, you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to, you know, take care of getting this,
Speaker 1: you know. Other words, that wasn't a call, that was
Speaker 1: a come and get active. Yeah, that was activated right there. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, I can't say enough man about you, man,
Speaker 1: because you signify everything that he was gangster. A lot
Speaker 1: of people like them, you know, make the interpretations of gangsters.
Speaker 1: The dude just running the streets doing dumb shit. You
Speaker 1: a dude, take care of his family, take care of
Speaker 1: his friends, don't build the empire through insmountable odds. Even
Speaker 1: going against somebody that got a ninety eight to synconviction rate,
Speaker 1: you even undefeated with them. So you are the true
Speaker 1: definition of gangster. I appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And before the feeling is new to where y'all concerned,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I've been knowing E and
Speaker 1: I know you, homie, I don't I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: know you, but I saw you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I saw you back in the day with with the
Speaker 1: home is and for you to be free and be
Speaker 1: able to speak the way you're speaking right now, I
Speaker 1: understand what that means. You know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of us ain't even here
Speaker 1: to be able to make the transition to even talk
Speaker 1: about it. Man, right, I gotta I got a question
Speaker 1: for you before we go. You were speaking on how
Speaker 1: how some people think it's weak to praise uh. Now,
Speaker 1: I grew up thinking that if I used, if I
Speaker 1: say thank you Jesus or all of that, and it's
Speaker 1: still bothered me sometime today and and I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't praise God. I wouldn't utter the word God in
Speaker 1: my vocabulary. When I was game banking and in prison.
Speaker 1: Through my prison time, I believed it was a sign
Speaker 1: of weakness. I did believe that until I realized that
Speaker 1: that was my way out. So so was it the
Speaker 1: same way for you as it will for me? And
Speaker 1: you just really realized that this is the way out.
Speaker 1: Because I'm still fighting, like sometimes I get stuck on
Speaker 1: it and then I'll have my days where I'll be
Speaker 1: on the phone and I you know, I tell my
Speaker 1: my my one of my fathers, thank you Jesus. Just
Speaker 1: you know, God, God got you here. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a transition that I'm going
Speaker 1: through or I just need to stick with it. And man,
Speaker 1: it is a great God. So did you have to Yeah? No, no,
Speaker 1: that was It definitely was a process, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like I exercise prayer all the way
Speaker 1: through in the midst of all of that ship you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I mean. I never I
Speaker 1: understood that that was a source of strength, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I never, I never was mixed up
Speaker 1: to the extent where I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand that everything is controlled by Him
Speaker 1: and everything a matter of fact, every blessing come from him.
Speaker 1: So I understood that there as the creators in control.
Speaker 1: But what what I what I done though, in in
Speaker 1: my my journey, I strayed away and purposely didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear it because what it would do to me
Speaker 1: is is give me a conscious where I know I
Speaker 1: didn't need to have a conscious so so so I
Speaker 1: purposely it wasn't that I didn't know the truth. I
Speaker 1: just purposely deviated and say, oh I can't I can't
Speaker 1: hear none of that right now, because that can cause
Speaker 1: me to lose my very life. This is how I'm
Speaker 1: thinking as a you know what I mean, because I'm
Speaker 1: We're in the jungle, right We're in the jungle, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times you don't have time to feel
Speaker 1: sorry about nothing to even you know, think that where
Speaker 1: you train yourself and you program your your mind and
Speaker 1: different things that be hardness to do, dumb ship a
Speaker 1: lot of times. But what I understood, uh, during my transition,
Speaker 1: what my awakenings was, Oh, this is the strength, this
Speaker 1: is the truth, this is the light. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. This is connected to everything I want to be,
Speaker 1: everything I want to become, and how to get there.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. It's bundance to um
Speaker 1: to think that something weak about you know, the one
Speaker 1: that control it all, man ship that I love that.
Speaker 1: You know. I've been knowing you for a long time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I've been seeing you since
Speaker 1: my RAPP career started. Uh, You've always been inspirational, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You give brothers the hope that
Speaker 1: you know we can become something other than you know,
Speaker 1: gang bangers and drug slanders, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and and just just just just growing in you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, handling their business, looking out for
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods, and becoming inspiring. So that's all I wanted
Speaker 1: to shake, just coming from me and where I come from,
Speaker 1: compy growing up. You know Raby Records with a big
Speaker 1: inspiration to shift. I wanted to design to rap a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Likewise, man, I wanted your ads too, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: wanted you man. And here's the here's the truth, man,
Speaker 1: Like like, we're the most brilliant niggas. I believe in
Speaker 1: the in the world. You know, street niggas, We're the
Speaker 1: most brilliant niggas. I'm chating like I've been on other side.
Speaker 1: I deal with them, street nigga. We're the most brilliant
Speaker 1: niggas in the world. It's just about you know, applying
Speaker 1: our gifts. You know, we gotta have the discipline to
Speaker 1: apply with gifts in corporate America, man, and and and
Speaker 1: and and and if the truth be told, they don't
Speaker 1: tick like we tick. They don't have the stamina, the
Speaker 1: whole Uh, they don't have the heart that we have
Speaker 1: from the ship we come through, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and when we make the decision to really apply
Speaker 1: and focus on corporate America, to apply our talents, Unstoppable
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