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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

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Speaker 1: with you. This is going to be a fascinating evening

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Speaker 1: for the first couple hours. Peter Hyatt back with us.

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Speaker 1: He is a statement analyst and instructor. Now he teaches

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Speaker 1: statement analysts and analytical interviewing to law enforcement and corporate America.

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Speaker 1: He has authored the Investigator Training Manual for the Department

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security, State of Maine, as well as a

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Speaker 1: book called Wise as a Serpent Gentle as a Dove.

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Speaker 1: He's been interviewed extensively on our program and others, including

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Speaker 1: the national televised program Crime Watch Daily and Taken Too Soon.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a number of cases that

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Speaker 1: deal with telling the truth and deception. Peter, welcome back,

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to this with you. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. George. How's everything everything going well? Super Stuport

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Speaker 1: explained for people what statement analysts means. The statement analyst

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Speaker 1: is one who studies a written statement to learn whether

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Speaker 1: or not the subject, or the author or the writer

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Speaker 1: is being deceptive or truthful, and so if a crime

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Speaker 1: is alleged to have committed and police bring someone in

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Speaker 1: as a suspect. They'll ask the suspect to tell us

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Speaker 1: what happened and write out what happened. And the suspect

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Speaker 1: might say, well where should I begin, and the police

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Speaker 1: will say, wherever you think, Just write out what happened

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Speaker 1: for us. When that statement is done being written, we're

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Speaker 1: able to tell police, and police are able to tell

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Speaker 1: when they have the training, whether or not the person

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Speaker 1: is telling the truth or not, even at a higher

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Speaker 1: rate than the polygraph. That's amazing. Now, what is more important, Peter,

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Speaker 1: the written statement or the verbal statement. The written statement

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Speaker 1: is how we learn because it's slower and we have

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Speaker 1: more time to learn what to look for. When someone

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Speaker 1: is well trained and they begin to practice this, it

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Speaker 1: will translate into what we call discourse analysis, where while

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Speaker 1: someone is speaking, the trained ear now knows what to

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Speaker 1: listen for. So if I said to you, George, my

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Speaker 1: name is Peter Hyatt. I work in deception detection, but

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Speaker 1: I also think of myself as an amateur cellist, that's

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Speaker 1: quite good. What do you know about me? So you'd say, well,

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Speaker 1: I know your name, I know what you do, and

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Speaker 1: I know you like to play the cello. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, two of those things are true, but

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Speaker 1: the third one was a lie. I didn't say to

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Speaker 1: you I play the cello. I say I like to

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Speaker 1: think of myself that way. And that is one of

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Speaker 1: the ways a very smooth manipulator will deceive people by

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Speaker 1: not committing linguistically to what they're saying. So if I

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Speaker 1: say my name is Peter Hyatt, that's very likely to

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Speaker 1: be true. It's just a statistical likeliness, and so we

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Speaker 1: listen for that commitment and we place it in context

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Speaker 1: so that, for example, someone was assaulted, the language is

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Speaker 1: going to reflect that. Even if they're traumatized, the language

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Speaker 1: is going to reflect that unequivocally. And if there is

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Speaker 1: any type of qualification, we're going to pick up on that.

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Speaker 1: In looking at written statements, Peter, what do you look

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Speaker 1: for to see the deception? This is amazing. If there

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Speaker 1: was only one thing that listeners would grasp at this point,

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Speaker 1: it would be pronouns. Pronouns don't lie. You and I

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Speaker 1: have been using the pronoun i, for example, millions of

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Speaker 1: times over and over. We're really good at it. We

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Speaker 1: are efficient at it. So if if you raised children,

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Speaker 1: you know when you're a little five or six year

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Speaker 1: little girl said, yeah, but everyone was doing it. You'll

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Speaker 1: notice that there is a need to hide psychologically guilt

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Speaker 1: in a crowd out. Well, it's the same thing with

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Speaker 1: when we listen to people today, what did you do? Well?

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Speaker 1: We started to and we and they immediate moved from

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Speaker 1: want to be alone with what happened. That's interesting. Now

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Speaker 1: do a lot of people train in this? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many people like you are out there? A lot

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Speaker 1: of law enforcement, I have a lot more non law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: non military who enroll in training, and we offer a

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Speaker 1: course that they can do in their home. It takes commitment,

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Speaker 1: it takes practice. I'm not a gifted individual. I don't

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Speaker 1: have a tremendous intellect. I work hard at what I

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Speaker 1: that anyone can learn if they commit to it. What

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Speaker 1: about the business world, because I noticed in your bio

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Speaker 1: are they trying to find out? Well, what we do

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Speaker 1: with Corporate America is we do internal investigations, but even

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Speaker 1: more importan, we do hiring. The United States government, in

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Speaker 1: various levels has many restrictions on questions that employers can

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Speaker 1: ask potential hires. The same restrictions that are placed upon

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Speaker 1: businesses don't exist for most levels of government, so they're

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Speaker 1: allowed to ask. Let me ask you a question. It's

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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the afternoon, are you're going to use

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Speaker 1: cocaine in the bathroom instead of working? They can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and ask anything they want, but businesses can't. And

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Speaker 1: so what we're able to do using statement analysis is

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Speaker 1: we ask people to write down everything they'd like us

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Speaker 1: to know about them, and we grant them a full

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Speaker 1: page to do so. And in that we're able to

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Speaker 1: tell if this person is going to plan on falling

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Speaker 1: fraudulently slipping, claiming discrimination, in other words, filing a fraudulent

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Speaker 1: suit against a company. We're stealing from a company before

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Speaker 1: they're even hired. Jeez, they reveal that accurate is this Peter.

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Speaker 1: Businesses that use this will find that their turnover is less,

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Speaker 1: their unemployment is less because they hire good people, and

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Speaker 1: sales generally go up in that sort of thing. But

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Speaker 1: the big saving is is that if anyone says I

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Speaker 1: was discriminated against and here's what happened, and they're lying,

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Speaker 1: we catch them. What is now? Go ahead, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: finish up. It's great, a great way of saving money,

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Speaker 1: but it's also a great way of getting the right

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Speaker 1: people from the right job. Oh absolutely absolutely. Are there

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Speaker 1: key phrases or buzzwords that stick out so that you

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Speaker 1: can pinpoint and all this guy's not telling the truth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you see a change in pronouns, that's that's usually

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Speaker 1: the most key. But we'll see phrases like I take

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Speaker 1: full responsibility for everything I do. And there are two

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Speaker 1: different types of people there. There are those who take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for what they do and there are those that

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Speaker 1: talk about taking responsibility in what they do. The latter

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Speaker 1: are the ones that we flag for trouble, and generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: they are those who blame others who have a need

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Speaker 1: to persuade us that they are responsible instead of just

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Speaker 1: being responsible. It's not their involved, right, it never is. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting who developed this. It began as ancient writings

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Speaker 1: going back to Solomon's time. King Solomon and the Bible

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Speaker 1: and One of the key phrases that we use, also

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Speaker 1: comes from ancient scripture, is that out of the abundance

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Speaker 1: of the heart, and the heart is the seat of

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Speaker 1: the intellect and the emotions. Out of the abundance of

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Speaker 1: the heart, the mouth speaks. And so even in a

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Speaker 1: case i'd like to talk about tonight, that the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Smollett case, even where a circumstance appears to be almost implausible,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if someone's lying until they speak. Now

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Speaker 1: I can tell, because sometimes implausible happens. Can you tell,

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Speaker 1: in let's say a newspaper article, if somebody's interviewed, if

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Speaker 1: they're telling the truth. Yes, As a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that the new students do, and

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Speaker 1: this includes journalists, therapists, psychologists, surgeons, doctors, is that they

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Speaker 1: practice in the news articles. And here's an easy one

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Speaker 1: for everyone to try. When you see a headline that

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Speaker 1: which they're going to, Yes, read the article and look

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Speaker 1: at the quotes and find out did he actually say

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it whatever the allegation is, And oftentimes

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Speaker 1: people will find no, they never said that. They said

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Speaker 1: things like I would never do it, or I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they're accused me of this, or they even deflect

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Speaker 1: even further, why would I do such a thing. But

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Speaker 1: they avoid the two what we call them the solid

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Speaker 1: reliable denial indicators. I didn't steal your wallet, George, Well,

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Speaker 1: why should I believe you? I'm telling you the truth

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Speaker 1: that is ninety nine point nine percent north likely to

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Speaker 1: be true. Those two factors. If I use the pronoun

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Speaker 1: ie the past tense, I address the allegation, and then

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Speaker 1: when challenge, I claim with the pronoun ie I'm telling

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Speaker 1: the truth nine point nine percent likely to be reliable.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell on a text message if somebody's telling

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Speaker 1: the truth? We can is a matter of fact. We

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Speaker 1: can do it within the Twitter account where someone I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a good example. I'm George. I want to

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Speaker 1: begin by saying in this interview that I'm really against

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Speaker 1: people that abuse elders. And she'd say, why is he

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Speaker 1: saying this? Because I don't know if there's anyone out

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Speaker 1: there that says we need more elder abuse. What's that?

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Speaker 1: Who would admit to that? Right? Sure? So that would

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Speaker 1: be called an unnecessary moralizing. Generally speaking, it means guilt.

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Speaker 1: So during the me too craze, I had some fun

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Speaker 1: with some other analysts by predicting who would next be

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Speaker 1: alleged by virtue of how virtuous their tweets were. That's interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the greater the unnecessary moralizing. What Jesse Smolett did

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Speaker 1: of fake hate was wrong. He just got indicted today too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Was there anyone out there saying, oh, no, it's really

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Speaker 1: good to do these fake hate things? So then we listen, Now,

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Speaker 1: is wrong, that something is going on here with them

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Speaker 1: and George to address the issue of conspiracy and deep state?

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Speaker 1: There is more in the Twitter accounts. If people are listening,

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Speaker 1: they're actually looking at those words and asking themselves, why

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Speaker 1: is this person saying this? Why is this person communicating that?

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Speaker 1: That would confirm many things that listeners may be suspicious of.

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