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Speaker 1: Katie Los Katie. The last time I was thinking, do
Speaker 1: you go by just Katie Low's? Are you Katie Low Shapiro?
Speaker 1: Are you hyphenated last name? You said? Hell? No, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking Katie Lows, bitch. You know what I was in
Speaker 1: the bear? Don't you know who I am?
Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, today we're talking about episode two oh two, Yes,
Speaker 3: the Other Woman, which aired on October fourth in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: written by Heather Mitchell and directed by Stephen Cragg.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the guest star list is but we gotta
Speaker 3: name it because here on the Scandal Rewatch podcast we
Speaker 3: respect our guest stops.
Speaker 1: Yes, because they're usually like pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean the first main big one is uh Lorraine Toussain,
Speaker 1: who plays Nancy Drake, who is just a wonderful actress.
Speaker 1: She's she's one of those people that when you see
Speaker 1: her face, so you see her in one thing, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've seen her in a thousand things,
Speaker 1: like she's in so much, she's a she's from Trinidad.
Speaker 2: Nice fun fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice fun fact there. But yeah, she's amazing. And
Speaker 1: then we got Elise Neil and John Diel Dial. How
Speaker 1: do you say that?
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll just give it a deal, Dial Dial deal,
Speaker 3: John deel Dal deal.
Speaker 1: We got Leslie and John Deal played Ragewire. Who's Lindsay
Speaker 1: Dwyer's dad?
Speaker 3: Oh that I watched this episode And now we're starting
Speaker 3: to get into the part of the Scandal Rewatch podcast
Speaker 3: Unpacking the two Box where I don't.
Speaker 2: Remember shooting that.
Speaker 3: No, really, I distinctly remember standing with you outside of
Speaker 3: that motel.
Speaker 2: I remember that later in the episode.
Speaker 3: Yes, we'll talk about I do not remember shooting the
Speaker 3: scene with the dad.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, do you remember that? Do you remember
Speaker 1: the lady staring at Quinn at Lindsay Dwyer. Yo. I
Speaker 1: wish we could have gotten her name and given her
Speaker 1: a shout out because homegirl is so freaking good and
Speaker 1: committed and annoying. Oh she's just perfect for the role.
Speaker 3: Oh dare this Smallotov mistress bitch come and sit in
Speaker 3: and have a fucking coffee in our small fucking at
Speaker 3: a looma California town.
Speaker 1: With her omelet on her plate that she never touches.
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes, is it a wig or
Speaker 1: not a whig?
Speaker 2: Not a wig?
Speaker 1: It's not a wig.
Speaker 3: I do kind of remember that woman. The other people
Speaker 3: we have is Leslie Grossman is Lisa, who's the DC corner.
Speaker 2: She was amazing. Marcus Bonoza's Chairman of Joint Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Greg Henry is Hollis Doyle, Debraah Mooney is Verna Thornton,
Speaker 3: who is constant recurring. Wendy Davis is Kimberly Mitchell. San
Speaker 3: McMurray is the US attorney Pat Wexler. Joe Holt, who's
Speaker 3: a friend of mine. As Secretary, he defends Virginia Louise
Speaker 3: Smith as Secretary of State.
Speaker 2: J Jackson's local anchor.
Speaker 3: If y'all don't remember this episode, let's just jog yie,
Speaker 3: old memory, y old memory.
Speaker 1: Olivia has to deal with the ramifications of Quinn's jaw
Speaker 1: dropping court verdict as Abbey continues to press Olivia for
Speaker 1: answers and Quinn takes a trip back home. The firm
Speaker 1: represents the widow of a very prominent pastor who had
Speaker 1: a secret life with his mistress and son. Olivia works
Speaker 1: on striking a deal to keep Pastor Drake's other life
Speaker 1: a secret before the funeral. Meanwhile, in the White House,
Speaker 1: Cyrus and Fitz deal with a foreign policy emergency that
Speaker 1: was potentially fabricated by the CIA. What the hell, dude?
Speaker 2: That was stupendous.
Speaker 3: I also think your scandal pace is always so good
Speaker 3: because I understand what you're saying, like you're putting the
Speaker 3: inflection on the correct word.
Speaker 1: Listen, I thank you, But I always understand your scandal pace.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I have.
Speaker 3: To admit sometimes I'm just not smart enough for this show.
Speaker 3: And either all of the CIA fabrication of what was
Speaker 3: going on, I was like, wait, hold up, mehy they
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I know shit is corrupt, but
Speaker 1: what the hell?
Speaker 3: Why are they just making a fucking photo of gen
Speaker 3: children in Sudan?
Speaker 1: Is it because the dude that did it? What is
Speaker 1: he the head of the CIA? Is it because he's
Speaker 1: he wants the president to go to war and he's
Speaker 1: a Republican and he wants me I don't fucking know.
Speaker 3: I was confused too well, let it be known here
Speaker 3: that Gar and I on this rewatch podcast we don't
Speaker 3: completely understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: Which listen, listen. I feel like a lot of the audience,
Speaker 1: our listeners will understand. And it's okay because this show
Speaker 1: has so much in it that it doesn't matter. Yes,
Speaker 1: But also, Katie, do you remember ever being on set
Speaker 1: like and I'd be like, I know me. Mostly I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Katie, I don't know what's happening, Like, what's
Speaker 1: happening on the show.
Speaker 3: Because yes, I remember we see the start of this
Speaker 3: episode that Olivia and the President have started this relationship
Speaker 3: where they're like old school fucking late night phone calls ye,
Speaker 3: where they're just like talking about their life and Olivia's
Speaker 3: in bed and she's like it can't keep taking calls
Speaker 3: from my married ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, which is so cute.
Speaker 2: I think it's like.
Speaker 1: It's really normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, weird to see them like normal, Like they're not
Speaker 3: at a white House dinner, they're not like on the trail,
Speaker 3: they're not doing any of those things.
Speaker 2: They're literally just like talking on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gossiping, right, They're just like like telling each other's
Speaker 1: shit from their day and stuff. Yeah it's okay. You know,
Speaker 1: for those of those of us who are little on
Speaker 1: the older side, that's the way we used to chat
Speaker 1: with the people we were seeing or dating or whatever.
Speaker 1: You'd be on the phone for freaking hours.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, my parents got me.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is some bougie ash fucking white privilege
Speaker 3: shit right here. My parents were my sixteenth birthday, I
Speaker 3: think got me my own phone line. I got my
Speaker 3: own fucking line because I think my parents found out
Speaker 3: that it was like twenty five more cents like a
Speaker 3: fucking hour or whatever if they just gave me my
Speaker 3: own phone, because I was clogging that shit up, Like
Speaker 3: I was on the phone all day with bitches and
Speaker 3: fucking night with boyfriends.
Speaker 1: Like I was just oh, yeah, that's the way it
Speaker 1: went down.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Heremo, you didn't have your own line now.
Speaker 1: No, we had one phone hanging in the hallway of
Speaker 1: our New York City Washington Heights apartment with a cord.
Speaker 1: The only time it got bougie for us is when
Speaker 1: my parents are like, we're like, we're gonna to buy
Speaker 1: a longer cored. I'd walk into like the bathroom and
Speaker 1: close the door in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: You'd have to hawk is a AA.
Speaker 1: Yep. I think this is the first time, right Katie,
Speaker 1: that we see him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is the first time we see
Speaker 3: you howk in AA.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember shooting the scene, the AA scene because
Speaker 1: it was like just a few blocks away from Sunta Gower,
Speaker 1: which is where the stage is where we shot Scandal,
Speaker 1: And it was like in the basement of a church,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and it was really cool. And also,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna I was gonna say too,
Speaker 1: I have a sort of a history with A because
Speaker 1: my ex used to be in AA. But I used
Speaker 1: to go to the meetings with him. And I'm not
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. Well maybe i am, but no, just a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I don't have a.
Speaker 3: Problem, no disrespect it is with you, I know, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no. But you have a personal relationship to being
Speaker 3: a Alana.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right. But I used to go to
Speaker 1: the meetings and get so much out of them, like
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed because it's all about you know, very
Speaker 1: spiritual yes, and lifting the person up and giving them encouragement.
Speaker 1: It was it was wonderful and I really got a
Speaker 1: lot out of it. Those rooms are really really special.
Speaker 2: And so for you to get to stand there and
Speaker 2: talk about fucking killing.
Speaker 1: People, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's why I thought about
Speaker 1: me going to the meetings, because I would go, But
Speaker 1: it wasn't about having an addiction. It was I was
Speaker 1: just getting a lot more out of it just for
Speaker 1: life in general. And so, so huck Is doesn't have
Speaker 1: an alcohol problem either, he's going because he's you know,
Speaker 1: whiskey represents him killing people and torturing people. So I
Speaker 1: wonder if they would have done like a like coverage
Speaker 1: of like the with the people in the meeting, like
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this guy talking about? Because he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm really good at drinking with.
Speaker 2: I don't think they ever flip it around.
Speaker 1: They never flip around.
Speaker 2: No interesting, but oh no, it totally works.
Speaker 3: I actually never even realized it until you just said that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Quinn is being a stupid bid bitch.
Speaker 1: Quinn is so like's.
Speaker 3: Apartment and I'm like so mad, and so like, why
Speaker 3: is anyone telling me anything? Anyone messed up my life
Speaker 3: and no one's telling me why. And I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know if other people got that out of my performance,
Speaker 3: but I definitely felt like nails on a chalkboard watching.
Speaker 1: I think people fuck Whenn's frustration, right, I love this year.
Speaker 1: Her line to Olivia is like I got more sleep
Speaker 1: in prison.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they tossed that away into a pillow
Speaker 3: because I doubt my acting choice was at all.
Speaker 2: Now I wasn't in these scenes.
Speaker 3: But the episode features like the America's pastor, Pastor Drake,
Speaker 3: who's incredible and obviously have this like very public beautiful
Speaker 3: marriage to U Lorraine Tucson's character Nancy Drake, but the
Speaker 3: whole time, for fifteen years he's been stripping this other
Speaker 3: woman named Anna Gordon. But you find the episode in
Speaker 3: like a classic Olivia Pope Opa handling the situation where
Speaker 3: the wife calls they can't find Pastor Drake. You guys
Speaker 3: get led to a camera across the street from the
Speaker 3: hay Adams Hotel, and you are in the hotel and
Speaker 3: you hear like ah, and they open the door and
Speaker 3: they find Pastor Drake.
Speaker 1: On top, oh, top of his mistress.
Speaker 3: And she's handcuffed to the bed, and no one knows
Speaker 3: it first until Huck kind of runs in and checks
Speaker 3: and knows, like right away, the guy's been dead and
Speaker 3: she's been like stuck under the air because the bro
Speaker 3: is like three hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, home was a big boy. What I found so
Speaker 1: amusing was watching the episode and the first thing that
Speaker 1: happens is Huck rushes in check is his pulse and
Speaker 1: he's like he's been dead. Was sohow is whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck I said? And then Abby says something in Olivia
Speaker 1: and then there's a moment we're all just standing there
Speaker 1: like hmm, what do we do now? And the whole
Speaker 1: time watching the episode, I was like, this girl is
Speaker 1: stuck under this large as man and nobody's like there
Speaker 1: was no nobody in rush to be like They're just like, dude.
Speaker 3: I didn't I'm gonna have to go back and wash
Speaker 3: because I did not catch that at all. I love
Speaker 3: the part of this scene is this this This is
Speaker 3: the scene where she's like, what do you need to
Speaker 3: do to get rid of the body? And you're like
Speaker 3: five hundreds and you're like, you're like lusty. You're like lusty,
Speaker 3: like describing all the tools in which you would need
Speaker 3: to dispose of a body this big, and she'say, I
Speaker 3: mean to just move the body?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh well then just like and your body
Speaker 1: some sheets. Yeah, you're like, you're.
Speaker 2: So psyched that you were going to cut this dude up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also super embarrassed, I think because he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my.
Speaker 2: God, You're like, oh my god, I'm so fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like clearly you clearly Huck knows he has a
Speaker 3: problem because you're going to aa so like you know
Speaker 3: that things are a in your mental health.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he could feel himself, you know, slipping, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm going closer to the dark side. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was such a great mind. Olivia's look to Huck
Speaker 1: is like, motherfucker, I was talking about moving him, not
Speaker 1: chopping him up. Is so good, so good. But she's
Speaker 1: also like, you know, like there's the fright in her face, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this motherfucker was ready.
Speaker 3: To check him up in the midst of this whole
Speaker 3: montage about moving his body because their goal is to
Speaker 3: like clean up the scene, which is super illegal, and
Speaker 3: to get that body back to in bed where he
Speaker 3: would live, like I mean, so that they can sort
Speaker 3: of stage it, like keeping his rep clean. That like
Speaker 3: if he's not found with the hooker, but he's found
Speaker 3: that he just like had a heart attack in bed
Speaker 3: then it would be much better for his look and
Speaker 3: his wife's reputation and his legacy and all of that.
Speaker 3: But in the midst of all these scenes, there's such
Speaker 3: a great scene between Dan Bucatinski and Jeff so much
Speaker 3: where he's yes, I hate that I married a Republican.
Speaker 1: Yes I want a baby, a fat one, a smushy one.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. You know. I wrote down in
Speaker 1: my notes that they they fight like a real couple.
Speaker 1: I mean, because we see couples on TV all the time,
Speaker 1: and sometimes, you know, you kind of get the chemistry,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't. But I feel like like Dan and Jeff,
Speaker 1: like their chemistry was fire from the beginning, like they
Speaker 1: just it just clicked. But also Jeff, Jeff and Dan.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Jeff, because Jeff is a you know,
Speaker 1: as a straight man. He's married to Linda Lowe, who
Speaker 1: was our casting director, and but he Jeff is such
Speaker 1: an amazing, fucking skilled Like he's one of those actors
Speaker 1: that just is no joke. He's a genius. So I
Speaker 1: knew he was going to approach this gay character with
Speaker 1: you know, just complete completely embracing it and being as
Speaker 1: real as possible and not having any hang upsot it,
Speaker 1: and that comes across you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they really come across as a real couple.
Speaker 2: They totally do. And I think, I think when we
Speaker 2: have a mom will have to ask him.
Speaker 3: But I'm pretty sure he's played gay characters multiple times
Speaker 3: in his I think, yeah, I think he's played that,
Speaker 3: like from his early twenties on. I think what's probably
Speaker 3: weirdest for them is that, And I can't wait to
Speaker 3: ask them about this, is that Jeff and Dan have
Speaker 3: been real life friends for.
Speaker 1: Like twenty years. Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that it had nothing.
Speaker 1: To do with that.
Speaker 3: It would be weird if you were a girl too,
Speaker 3: But like they have to like make out, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like like Linda cast Don Ruth, Dan
Speaker 3: Bugatinski's husband, Don Ruth is a big screenwriter and Linda
Speaker 3: cast his movies like twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: They've all four been friends for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Wow, And so I think it was probably weirder than
Speaker 3: anything that. Like Jeff, oh shit, I'm don't have to
Speaker 3: make up with like a dear friend of mine, you know,
Speaker 3: than anything else.
Speaker 2: Oh Okay, what about this part.
Speaker 3: Who was it in the script that all the OPA
Speaker 3: people use the same deodorant?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wrote notes on that too, right.
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to give the feeling on
Speaker 1: the show that obviously they've been up all night and
Speaker 1: moving this guy and they're probably sweating, and they're all
Speaker 1: passing this deodorant. It's such an odd but like it's
Speaker 1: such an odd but interesting moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, and you're the only one. Huk is the only
Speaker 3: one that does its.
Speaker 1: Dirty ass and he's probably the one that needs it
Speaker 1: the most. I was like, what are you what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, put that ship under your arms. It's secret.
Speaker 1: We all know how strong secret is.
Speaker 3: It won't pick up this skank ass shit from one
Speaker 3: person's arms to another.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like.
Speaker 3: It's a secret magic about secret that like you're gonna
Speaker 3: be fine.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: I just loved it, Like I thought it was so
Speaker 3: familial and like we've been up all night and we
Speaker 3: have no fucking boundaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no I love it.
Speaker 3: No one's even commenting on this, Like, no one's like
Speaker 3: and it's just like happening while you're working on the case. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then we get to oh. I think this is
Speaker 3: when Quinn goes this sear, oh no, you come and
Speaker 3: you realize I'm gone, and I Quinn goes to see
Speaker 3: your dad, which I don't remember this.
Speaker 2: I don't remembering this scene.
Speaker 1: John John Deal Deal Deal Dal Deal. He's a fucking
Speaker 1: dope actor. I love him. I love this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been a ton of stuff. I looked up. I
Speaker 1: looked him up on IMDb and IMDb and he's done
Speaker 1: over one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty films
Speaker 1: and TV shows. Yeah, way, yeah. Some of his credits
Speaker 1: are escaped from or what's my number? I haven't but
Speaker 1: I'm going to write right after we finish this podcast
Speaker 1: at my numbers ship. But in the meantime, John Deal
Speaker 1: Deal Dal Deal Deal, he was in Escape from Me,
Speaker 1: he was in Miami Vice, The Outer Limits, X Files. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's been in a ton of stuff and he's really
Speaker 1: great in the episode you know.
Speaker 2: What's slowly coming back for me, which is making me sad.
Speaker 2: What is I.
Speaker 3: Kind of remember vaguely him saying like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: so great.
Speaker 2: I get cast as your dad. They're going to be
Speaker 2: bringing me back a lot.
Speaker 1: O so many Katie, I feel like so many actors
Speaker 1: and even me, I remember saying that to some actors,
Speaker 1: like when they were cast like a Cux girlfriend. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this is awesome. You're for
Speaker 1: sure coming back. And then I'd be like, oh, they
Speaker 1: killed this bitch off.
Speaker 3: Oh good, well, body, all your girlfriends had a pretty
Speaker 3: long run.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Actors are so like, we have to be nomadic. That's
Speaker 2: how it is.
Speaker 3: It's actually like unheard of to stay in want any
Speaker 3: one job for a long time, which was why scandal
Speaker 3: is such a unicorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but most of.
Speaker 3: The time that's not our story, and we go where the.
Speaker 2: Wind takes us.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been cut out of so much fucking shit,
Speaker 3: and everyone has their story of like they've been fired,
Speaker 3: and then there's like amazing miracle stories like Bellamy Young,
Speaker 3: who I think was only to do like three episodes
Speaker 3: in season one or something. Yeah, So you know, there's
Speaker 3: like ups and downs and it is what it is.
Speaker 2: But I do.
Speaker 3: Remember the dad being like, oh man, I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna call me.
Speaker 2: Back, and I'm just like, fuck, man, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what I said, but probably not something
Speaker 3: that made him feel any better, Go get a snack
Speaker 3: and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Okay. Then what happens Giermo.
Speaker 1: Well, how goes to check on Quinn? Is the next
Speaker 1: thing that I have that sort of happens? Right? Yes, right.
Speaker 1: Olivia's like, go check on Quinn because she was a
Speaker 1: little bit jumpy this morning when you said asleep better
Speaker 1: in prison all that stuff. So Fu goes to check
Speaker 1: on Quinn. She's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3: Yep, because I went to Petaluma, California to visit my
Speaker 3: daddy to try to get back to them in my
Speaker 3: normal life.
Speaker 1: We're already at the point where you're meeting up with
Speaker 1: your dad and and Huck somehow miraculously shows up there,
Speaker 1: and Quinn's like, what the hell are you doing here? Like?
Speaker 1: Can I not go anywhere without you? People like following me.
Speaker 2: I kind of remember shooting that.
Speaker 3: I feel like I have photos of that day that
Speaker 3: I have to find, right, But Hucks, like, you have
Speaker 3: such a beautiful monologue to me. But we're at some
Speaker 3: like Motel six where I feel like, my god, you
Speaker 3: and I shot there like a thousand times. I don't
Speaker 3: know why you kind of shot there. Season one when
Speaker 3: you like abducted me and you had to, like I
Speaker 3: feel like you had to like throw me over your
Speaker 3: shoulder and I was like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 1: Was that in season? Was that season one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe it was when they do the flashback and somebody's
Speaker 3: like watching me. I think maybe even Susie poorfar As
Speaker 3: character is like standing outside of the motel and you
Speaker 3: see like Huck take me away, and yes, I kind
Speaker 3: of remember vaguely me being like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can't believe you have to haul me over your fucking shoulder.
Speaker 2: Like that was not safe.
Speaker 3: It does no matter how heavy or light you are,
Speaker 3: that she is not safe. Not good for a body.
Speaker 3: I do not like when anyone picks me up. It
Speaker 3: makes me feel wildly and secure. There's only one person
Speaker 3: who does it all the time, and it's fucking Scott Fully.
Speaker 3: He does my entire relationship with Scott Fully. I love
Speaker 3: this man so much.
Speaker 1: Picking you up. I've never seen him pick you up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: He's always picking me up like a baby sister. He's
Speaker 3: like my older frap brother. But he'll always be like
Speaker 3: and he only calls me kat Q. He'll ask him
Speaker 3: when he comes on a kt Q and he comes
Speaker 3: on and he picks me up. Okay, so you come
Speaker 3: and we have this awesome scene at the motel where
Speaker 3: Hawk is like Overcoon's shoulders and he's like, this is
Speaker 3: where they took you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, something's I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what are you talking about yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that's what I say, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And you say, no, this is where they took you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Seven people might have been blown up that day in Cytron,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't seven.
Speaker 1: It was really eight eight that died. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: shooting that scene Katie, and it was so hot. We're
Speaker 1: shooting it in Hollywood, a few blocks I think it
Speaker 1: was a few blocks away from Sunset Gower. Again it
Speaker 1: was yeah, like.
Speaker 3: For us on Sunset Boulevard where these people by the
Speaker 3: hour pieces of ship.
Speaker 1: But it was so hot outside and they wardrobe came
Speaker 1: to me with a jacket and I remember being like,
Speaker 1: what you want me to put on this jacket? And
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, you got to wear a jacket,
Speaker 1: and I remember just being so upset and I fought
Speaker 1: back and forth. I was like, but he could have
Speaker 1: left it in the car all and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta put on the jacket.
Speaker 3: We always did that ship where we would try to
Speaker 3: talk to him like I don't.
Speaker 2: Need a bag.
Speaker 1: I don't need a bag.
Speaker 3: I have in my pockets, and they like, you have
Speaker 3: to wear a bag. I don't need a jacket. Quinn
Speaker 3: ran out of O PA. She doesn't need a jacket.
Speaker 1: And they're like, it is put your jacket on in.
Speaker 2: D C and no one will.
Speaker 3: Believe it unless there's a fucking wool pea coat on
Speaker 3: you exactly.
Speaker 1: But it was such a great Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: really really sweet scene. And then and then he hands
Speaker 1: her a coffee and then they you know, and then
Speaker 1: they cut to the next scene. I loved it. In
Speaker 1: this episode, Quinn is saying goodbye to Lindsay Dwyer. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's either like you accept this new life and
Speaker 3: this new identity and jump both feet into working at
Speaker 3: OPA and stop being a little bit.
Speaker 1: Stop looking back, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or like leave but like you can't.
Speaker 3: This life that you're running back to try to get
Speaker 3: doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching the show too and looking at
Speaker 1: that scene and thinking if this was me Giarmo who
Speaker 1: they had done that to, I would be like help me.
Speaker 1: I'd be like like a big old sobbing like mess,
Speaker 1: like please somebody put me in a hospital. I can't
Speaker 1: do it is.
Speaker 2: Like stranger thing'd be.
Speaker 3: Like what alternate reality plane of existence? Are you telling
Speaker 3: me that I'm not the person I was? And here's
Speaker 3: my new fucking identity. His boyfriend's been murdered and I've
Speaker 3: been in a part of a huge fucking trial and
Speaker 3: I miraculously got off Like yeah, no one's telling me anything,
Speaker 3: like it's insane, insane. The next scene that I think
Speaker 3: is is jumping to like the what makes this episode
Speaker 3: so great is where Huck says, let's go home, and
Speaker 3: you see what sort of accept like my new home
Speaker 3: is Opa, and my new home is the identity of
Speaker 3: Quinn Perkins. Yes Live and Fits are talking on the
Speaker 3: phone about Pastor Drake and there this is where we
Speaker 3: get into that thing we were talking about of it
Speaker 3: just being like normal and they're just like on their
Speaker 3: phone and they're hysterical laughing because she confides and Fits
Speaker 3: about how Pastor Drake actually died, Yeah, and he was
Speaker 3: king Ki and and they're like hysterical and it's so cute.
Speaker 3: Like the scene totally takes a turn because Olivia is
Speaker 3: realizing through this episode that she is the mistress. Like
Speaker 3: the whole episode is the parallel between Lorraine Tucson is
Speaker 3: Nancy Drake being Melly and Elise Neil Azanna Gordon being Olivia. Like,
Speaker 3: Olivia will never get the twenty Christmases that Melli gets
Speaker 3: to be with. Right, She'll never have Fitz's babies, She'll
Speaker 3: never She'll always.
Speaker 2: Be the mistress, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Olivia's sort of realizing it unfold as she's watching,
Speaker 3: you know, her sort of experience unfolding in like the case.
Speaker 2: Of the week.
Speaker 1: It's like mirroring her experience with it. Yeah, it's so
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 3: And she screams at him, I want you to cancel
Speaker 3: the autopsy.
Speaker 2: That's what I want. I know.
Speaker 1: It goes from them cracking up and like being like
Speaker 1: all cute see with each other to her like flipping
Speaker 1: out and being like, yeah, this is what I want.
Speaker 2: And just screaming her fucking head off.
Speaker 1: Fitz is whipped because he does it. He makes it happen.
Speaker 1: He gives Olivia what she wants, and.
Speaker 3: He just did it in the episode before, Yeah, doesn't
Speaker 3: he because he lets Quinn He's the reason why, you know,
Speaker 3: when Quinn's entire case just gets sort of shelved and
Speaker 3: David Rosen jumps up and he's like, what the hell
Speaker 3: in only the way that Josh Malina can, but you realize,
Speaker 3: like she keeps getting into deep doodoo, but she knows
Speaker 3: she can because she can always fucking call the bat phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think she knows that she's gotten wrapped
Speaker 1: around her little finger, like she knows, she knows he's
Speaker 1: going to do what she says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay. Lorraine Tussant has that most amazing scene
Speaker 3: with Melly. Lorraine Tussan's character Nancy Drake is supposed to
Speaker 3: have this like sit down for the press with Melly
Speaker 3: about the America's pastor passing away, and she's taken some
Speaker 3: ship which looked so fun, right, and that's see when
Speaker 3: Olivia is looking at her, he's kind of like, did
Speaker 3: you take something?
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, Zena, I don't know what. She's oh god.
Speaker 3: Right now, and Olivia is like, we'll take some car.
Speaker 3: And then Mellie sits down and she's like, my wife,
Speaker 3: my husband was cheating on me and there wait, what
Speaker 3: did you say? And Mellie's like give us the room.
Speaker 3: I just think we need a private moment to pray.
Speaker 3: And then there's amazing monologues where like, of course, I
Speaker 3: mean Scott Scandal, television does not get monologues too for
Speaker 3: gladiators listening, Like every TV show that G and I
Speaker 3: have been on, which is a lot, monologues are a
Speaker 3: theatrical theater vehicle. They're not in TV. So to be
Speaker 3: on Scandal, where people got I mean Jeff Perry's character
Speaker 3: fits his character, Olivia Huck, Joe Morton, everybody got beautiful monologues,
Speaker 3: and they trusted the actors to be able to hold
Speaker 3: the screen like for minutes alone, like not popping back
Speaker 3: and forth around between people.
Speaker 1: It's just like like mouthwatering monologues like we were. I
Speaker 1: remember always being so excited when we would get our monologues.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd be sort of scared. In the beginnings.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh my god, it's so many words.
Speaker 1: But then it was like reciting a soliloquy. It was
Speaker 1: just so so good. It was so satisfying to say
Speaker 1: the words. But also in this scene, I'm glad they
Speaker 1: didn't go for like the cookie cutter sort of angle
Speaker 1: before we see Melly consoling missus Drake. Olivia is telling
Speaker 1: Missus Drake just say thank you, just say thank you
Speaker 1: to everybody, just you know, just look at them and
Speaker 1: say thank you. But in that moment, Lorene Tussan's character
Speaker 1: tells Melly he was cheating on me or whatever she says.
Speaker 1: It's real, Like that's real life. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: what a woman would do in that moment and be like,
Speaker 1: fuck that shit, he was cheating on me, a freaking cheater.
Speaker 1: It was just such a real moment. It snaps you
Speaker 1: out of show for a second because you're like, oh, shit,
Speaker 1: like this is She's telling her the truth. It's so good,
Speaker 1: it's so juicy, it's so great.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Those two ladies are Oh, they're so
Speaker 2: fucking good together.
Speaker 1: And who better to console like right for missus Drake
Speaker 1: than Mellie, who is you know, experiencing the same thing
Speaker 1: with Olibya and her husband.
Speaker 3: Ye, And then I wrote down David Rosen gets canned.
Speaker 1: He sure does.
Speaker 3: God we are about to embark on season two should
Speaker 3: just be called Let's shop on David Rosen the entire season,
Speaker 3: which Let's get gladiators, Let's get humped, this guy gets fucked,
Speaker 3: not in a good way, right and left. Like, this
Speaker 3: guy gets fired sexually scared. Yes, people are hunting him down.
Speaker 3: He's it is a mess his life. This is the
Speaker 3: beginning of the worst shit ever for this guy.
Speaker 2: So let's put a pause on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, just real quick, the gentleman who fires
Speaker 1: David Rosen. And the actor's name is Sam McMurray, who
Speaker 1: is another I think Katie. When I looked him up,
Speaker 1: he had like one hundred and ninety nine credits, film
Speaker 1: credits and TV credits. Yes, and I've done two things
Speaker 1: with him. I did a show called United We Fall
Speaker 1: with him, and I did a movie called Second Serve
Speaker 1: with him. He was also in Adams Family Values, he
Speaker 1: was on The Golden Girls, he was on Miamivice. Yes, anyway,
Speaker 1: this actor is amazing. His name is Sam McMurray.
Speaker 3: He's one of those I've never known him. I didn't
Speaker 3: work with him on the Skin, but when I watched this,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, that dude.
Speaker 2: He's one of those dudes that has literally been in
Speaker 2: fucking everything.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, okay, that's There's an emotional scene in
Speaker 3: the episode where the wife grabs the mistress and her
Speaker 3: son and takes everybody goes up to the casket to
Speaker 3: say goodbye to Pastor Drake.
Speaker 2: And it's so listen, emotional and great.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Mercury is in retrograde this month,
Speaker 1: but I fucking sobbed again watching this episode, in that
Speaker 1: moment when she grabs her out of the pew and
Speaker 1: she's like come, like she grabs her and like pulls it,
Speaker 1: like like tugs in.
Speaker 3: Her closes man and we are going to say goodbye
Speaker 3: to him and bury him.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so good.
Speaker 1: And can we talk for a second about Elise Neil
Speaker 1: alist Neil was in Scream two Get directed by Wes Craven.
Speaker 1: She played She played one of the friends, one of
Speaker 1: Sydney's friends in the beginning of the film and then
Speaker 1: she I believe she gets murdered. I have to go
Speaker 1: back and watch it. But also Scream. She's in Scream two,
Speaker 1: and Scott Foley is actually in Scream three. He's the
Speaker 1: killer in Scream three.
Speaker 3: Katie, See, I don't watch horror movies because I'm terrified
Speaker 3: and hate them and so scared.
Speaker 2: Yes, I had no idea. Yeah, Scream three.
Speaker 3: That scene is beautiful, is beautiful, and they followed up
Speaker 3: with an amazing another great scene between Melly and Fits
Speaker 3: where they're in the limo and Melly is just like,
Speaker 3: you have to forgive me, you have to forgive me,
Speaker 3: you have to forgive me, like because they're like our
Speaker 3: friend of ours just died, like either of us could
Speaker 3: die tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I forgive you.
Speaker 3: And they kiss, but then they as soon as they
Speaker 3: sort of kiss and hug, not a real kiss, it's
Speaker 3: like a peck, yeah, and like a quick hug, and
Speaker 3: then they move back apart to the opposite sides of
Speaker 3: the windows in the in the limo, and it's like,
Speaker 3: my god, these people are so fucking broken.
Speaker 1: Well mostly Fits, right, Fits is kind of the one.
Speaker 1: He's like holding her and telling I forgive you, and
Speaker 1: then he goes back to his paperwork and Mellie's like hello, Yeah, She's.
Speaker 2: Like this relationship is fucked. Oh and she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: And she's pregnant Katie. This is one of those moments
Speaker 1: which I'm embarrassed to say. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: she asking him to forgive her for?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: Is it? Because just all the does he know about
Speaker 1: He doesn't know about Cytron and all that stuff yet, right.
Speaker 2: No, but you know, well, well she knows because she
Speaker 2: rigged the election, right, she knows? What is about that?
Speaker 1: He?
Speaker 2: This is what happened.
Speaker 3: They're starting this season two storyline where they're trying to
Speaker 3: push Fits into a war that it seems like he
Speaker 3: does doesn't want in Sudan, and somebody mocks up even
Speaker 3: go so far as to like mock up a photo
Speaker 3: in this episode of Sudanese children who have been like murdered,
Speaker 3: and everyone's pushing for this war, and even Melly makes
Speaker 3: a play to push him into war, and he is.
Speaker 2: Like, fuck you, you can't fucking do that.
Speaker 3: But Melly, because she's a political animal, she's always also
Speaker 3: angling for like what she wants the presidency to be
Speaker 3: doing and which they want to make it. So when
Speaker 3: she's asking for forgiveness, she's like, I overstepped. I overstepped him. Sorry,
Speaker 3: please forgive me. What happened to us? What happened to us?
Speaker 3: We used to just be like a little couple that
Speaker 3: like had sex in like our one bedroom apartment, what
Speaker 3: she says.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I forgive you, And then he's like,
Speaker 2: but I don't like you.
Speaker 1: But I don't like you. I don't like your ass.
Speaker 3: We end we're starting to end the episode with you
Speaker 3: have your I go.
Speaker 1: Back to my AA meeting where it's a yeah.
Speaker 3: And now the difference in the episode is because Carrie
Speaker 3: just Olivia just worked on this case and she sees
Speaker 3: that the mistress never really gets shit when Fitz keeps
Speaker 3: trying to call her and call her and call her
Speaker 3: for their usually nightly phone sex hang flo, she don't
Speaker 3: pick up.
Speaker 1: You don't pick phone.
Speaker 2: And then we move.
Speaker 3: Into a scene where Jeff Perry is like, no, no,
Speaker 3: you can't have a baby because I have a baby.
Speaker 2: And his name is Fitzgerald Grant. He's a little baby bitch.
Speaker 1: And then they fuck and.
Speaker 2: Then Dan is like, whoa that turns me on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, power Cyrus is so hot? Yeah right, or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Is it an from a gay man's point of view?
Speaker 3: Do you think in their relationship that it is clear
Speaker 3: who's top and whose bottom?
Speaker 1: No, it's not. I was thinking about that too. I
Speaker 1: was like, who's the top? Sometimes it's the unexpected one sometimes,
Speaker 1: so I would say, yeah, where you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: James is the top? What's the feeling I got? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Seeing that Cyrus was at bottom.
Speaker 1: Yes, but you just blew my mind because.
Speaker 3: I think stereotypically being a boring breeder as I am myself.
Speaker 1: They listen, if it wasn't for a couple of breeders,
Speaker 1: none of our would be here.
Speaker 2: So we can't be here anymore. I don't know, but listen.
Speaker 3: I watched that scene and I'm like, okay, Like, obviously
Speaker 3: Cyrus is a power top and Dan is a bottom,
Speaker 3: but there's also explained to people you can also be
Speaker 3: in a relationship where people switch.
Speaker 1: Now of course, yeah yeah, yeah, and relationships were you know, intercourse,
Speaker 1: Like you know, fucking is not even a thing you do.
Speaker 1: There's so many, you know, a ton of other stuff.
Speaker 2: Blow jobs all day, all night exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a handy blowjoby. We're both talking like a little
Speaker 1: bit hesitantly because we don't know how farn if this
Speaker 1: was me and Katie, like at my house or at
Speaker 1: her house, we'd be like.
Speaker 3: God, we might get there at the podcast. Can you
Speaker 3: hit us up and let us know how interested you
Speaker 3: are in hearing real dirty shit out of our mouth
Speaker 3: or is it like you know what, let's keep this
Speaker 3: a little bit scandal style, which is like a ten PM,
Speaker 3: not like a one am exactly.
Speaker 1: Go get a snack, take a crap, and come right back.
Speaker 2: Verren A Thornton. We meet her in this episode.
Speaker 1: Deborah Mooney.
Speaker 3: Deborah Mooney is a fucking actress and we get so
Speaker 3: much of Deborah Mooney this season.
Speaker 1: This is just the beginning. This is the beginning for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's amazing and we have to have her on,
Speaker 3: especially for the episode where she well, I don't know
Speaker 3: who's got that episode is so important.
Speaker 2: We're not going to get there yet. We're not.
Speaker 3: You just got to keep listening to our podcast. We
Speaker 3: reveal the end cliffhanger of this episode two o two
Speaker 3: with David just fucking beautiful mind his apartment. Yes, he's
Speaker 3: just oh I think it was called in the script
Speaker 3: wall Oh crazy?
Speaker 1: Oh really? How do you remember that?
Speaker 3: I had a weird memory of like David's wall of crazy,
Speaker 3: like he's just got a wall because they kept being
Speaker 3: like you don't want Abby to walk in and.
Speaker 2: See the wall crazy? Or maybe it's Brenda Song's character
Speaker 2: later on.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe, maybe, yeah, but it mimics like our
Speaker 1: wall at OPA, right, because we put up all the
Speaker 1: people's photo.
Speaker 2: He's not like strings and dots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But also I don't want us to forget.
Speaker 1: There's a moment with with you, with Quinn in the apartment,
Speaker 1: watching the president give the speech at the eulogy at
Speaker 1: the funeral, and you so beautifully break down, sobbing. Oh, Katie,
Speaker 1: that was such a great scene. Yes, because your may
Speaker 1: I feel like you're obviously we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 1: You're making your peace with with your life. You're you.
Speaker 1: Part of you is dying as well. That eulogy is
Speaker 1: for you too, you know Lindsay died. Yeah, after tearstick.
Speaker 1: I love the question mark. Possibly, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if I had it in me that
Speaker 2: day or not.
Speaker 3: Some days obviously, g and I remember really well, like
Speaker 3: Amanda Tanner's Morgcine, we were a ball of crying.
Speaker 1: And yeah, of emotions and yes, and then.
Speaker 2: There are some I can't remember if I had it that.
Speaker 1: Day, well, tearstick or not. It was a beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 1: moment and and just just that being revealed and you
Speaker 1: get that comes across so beautifully that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's mourning. She's mourning Lindsay Dwyer like Quinn is mourning
Speaker 1: her old self. Just a great scene by Well Mandy.
Speaker 3: Fun fact about this episode, This is a horror heavy
Speaker 3: guest cast, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Gee, I already knew that. We already talked about that.
Speaker 3: Elise Neil and A Gordon plays Halle and Scream two,
Speaker 3: which is directed by Wes Craven.
Speaker 2: Have you ever worked with Wes Craven.
Speaker 1: I haven't, and unfortunately he's passed on now, but uh,
Speaker 1: that was one of my dream directors. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the other horror heavy the horror fun fact Germo
Speaker 3: is that the house that Anna, the character the mistress,
Speaker 3: lives in this house is the house from a Nightmare
Speaker 3: on Elm Street, which is also directed by Wes Craven.
Speaker 3: So there was just a lot of horror ship going.
Speaker 1: On Wes Craven in this Yes, if people people from
Speaker 1: California know this house is it's there's always people out
Speaker 1: front taking pictures. It's the it's the exterior of the
Speaker 1: house where Nancy lived in Nightmare on Elm Street. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's such a great fun fact. Ord.
Speaker 3: Would I never know that because I would never watch
Speaker 3: that movie. One other fun fact list that needs to
Speaker 3: be brought up is that this episode is designed to
Speaker 3: be a mirror for Olivia and Fitz's relationship to the
Speaker 3: appearance of Pastor Drake's infidelities, but the use of mirrored
Speaker 3: elements is apparent even throughout the episode. The episode begins
Speaker 3: and ends almost with a phone call from Fits. That's
Speaker 3: mirror one. David Ros's home is a wall of mirrors
Speaker 3: the bored in OPA office. Oh right, David Rosen's wall
Speaker 3: of crazy mirrors like you said, gr board at the
Speaker 3: OPA office.
Speaker 2: Mellie's her beg.
Speaker 3: To Fits uses almost the exact same words as he
Speaker 3: does to Olivia. Another mirror, and then Vincent Anna and
Speaker 3: Pastor Drake's son is the spitting image of his fob.
Speaker 3: So the whole episode's theme, Yes is mirror and didn't
Speaker 3: we learn a lot today?
Speaker 1: Tweet?
Speaker 3: Are there any fun Scandal tweets at the time? To
Speaker 3: wrap up episode two.
Speaker 1: Two, Let's see here, let's see what we got here,
Speaker 1: We're through.
Speaker 2: Oh there's really cute.
Speaker 3: My god, there's a flashback photo that Mary Howard tweeted
Speaker 3: on October fourth of twenty twelve. Episode two two cruise
Speaker 3: screening of ABC Scandal during lunch.
Speaker 2: You guys, we used to screen episodes.
Speaker 1: During lunch, or the crew during.
Speaker 3: Lunch in our big like conference room that was where
Speaker 3: we did all of our table reads, where they were
Speaker 3: just a ton of old school folding chairs. They used
Speaker 3: to put it like two or three big screen TVs
Speaker 3: on like rolling things, and the whole crew would gather
Speaker 3: instead of like taking lunch and like taking a break
Speaker 3: of their own, everyone would gather and watch the episodes together.
Speaker 2: Like who the fuck does that?
Speaker 1: But that's so rare on like the crew on a
Speaker 1: show or a movie. I mean, of course they're there
Speaker 1: and they're amazing, but the last thing I think they
Speaker 1: want to do is go and watch, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a screening of the episode. But it would hype people
Speaker 1: up so much because the show is so hot that
Speaker 1: people would just be like, oh my god, we're working
Speaker 1: on the most amazing show. It would just ripe everybody up.
Speaker 1: It was dope. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just love this photo most of all, guys, This
Speaker 3: Mary Howard photo of the crew screening. It just everyone's
Speaker 3: arms are up and smiling and laughing and like it's
Speaker 3: from every department.
Speaker 1: I miss all those people so much.
Speaker 3: Hey, maybe some of the crews listening today. If some
Speaker 3: of the crew is listening today, we love you, guys,
Speaker 3: we miss you. Episode two oh three is next week.
Speaker 3: Episode two oh three is called Hunting Season. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness. Hopefully we've got we've got a guest
Speaker 3: coming on, but if not, Episode two of three is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 1: Of season two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of fucking Camp David and Goldwyn
Speaker 3: like chopping wood.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, say no more.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think he chops would But if he doesn't
Speaker 3: chop wood, I know he laces up Olivia's hunting.
Speaker 2: Boots really really yeah, because.
Speaker 3: They're supposed to go hunting and she gets summoned to
Speaker 3: Camp David because he's so fucking pissed off that she's
Speaker 3: not answering his phone calls. And it's really steamy and
Speaker 3: it's really fucking hot and it's really ending. And so
Speaker 3: episode two of three Hunting Season will be next week.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be here. We'll be here and hopefully you
Speaker 1: guys will go.
Speaker 3: Gee, let's talk about how many people we've had sex
Speaker 3: with and by that, I'm saying how many people, how
Speaker 3: many numbers of feeling like we're going to talk about
Speaker 3: our IMDb numbers? How many numbers do we got? Oh
Speaker 3: my god, Giermo, Wow, you have one hundred and four
Speaker 3: and that's including seven to eight years being on one.
Speaker 1: Job, crazy crazy, crazy crazy. Hey, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so let it be here known first.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: She might have one hundred and four IMDb credits. I'm
Speaker 3: an on a fifty, but I am more famous than
Speaker 3: Gemo by like, yeah, nothing.
Speaker 1: You better tell somebody I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: But that's today, Gemo.
Speaker 3: If you just release a sex tape tonight, that number
Speaker 3: will go way down.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, that star.
Speaker 3: Meater bullshit used to make me ill. Like I remember
Speaker 3: in my twenties auditioning and being like this dude I
Speaker 3: broke up with, Like, I was so angry and my
Speaker 3: friend was like, well, whatever you're starting is way better
Speaker 3: than his. Oh my god, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: can never look at this again. This is not healthy.
Speaker 1: Well, today's episode was really fun, really exciting.
Speaker 3: We the best time ever as usual, and listen to
Speaker 3: the two most famous people in the world talk about
Speaker 3: sandelwatch I mean talk about the Scandal. Episodes two three,
Speaker 3: Hunting Season will be next week. Tell your friends, Tell
Speaker 3: your loved ones. I love you, Gearmo, I love you.
Speaker 1: Katie Low's not Katie Low Shapiro, just Katie Low.
Speaker 2: These total vanity, just like my name better right?
Speaker 1: Hell Ya, Well you are pretty famous, so that star
Speaker 1: meter would go up if you took Shapiro. Maybe.
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