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Speaker 2: Greetings and welcome in hour two of the program, as we.

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Speaker 3: Get you set for Divisional Round NFL Playoffs Part two,

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Speaker 3: the sequel. We'll see if we get the It was

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Speaker 3: like a Hollywood movie yesterday, right, because we got a

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Speaker 3: thirty three thirty overtime thriller in the first game, and

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Speaker 3: then they couldn't stick the landing because it was over

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Speaker 3: before you blinked between the Seahawks and forty nine Ers. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing that to a torment our executive producer

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Speaker 3: Brandon Deutsch, but unfortunately, sometimes you know you gotta wear it.

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Speaker 2: Chris Purfett tags in from Mark Ramsey.

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Speaker 3: We got Isaac Lohenkron on the updates, and of course

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Speaker 3: I'm Mike Harmon alongside my guy Greg Cosel forty six

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Speaker 3: years NFL films, the Matchup show, The Ross Tucker Podcast

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Speaker 3: appointment listening every Thursday, as well with Colin Cowherd as

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Speaker 3: he joins him for what Colin dubs the best fifteen

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Speaker 3: to twenty minutes that you'll hear on his show all

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Speaker 3: week long.

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Speaker 2: See I put that on a T shirt for you.

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Speaker 1: Well, there you go. I love it. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with some extra rhinestones.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I appreciate that. By the way, during

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Speaker 1: the break, I was taking a peek in my system here.

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at a couple of Jared Stidham

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Speaker 1: throws from twenty twenty three, because Sean Payton was the

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Speaker 1: coach and he started the final two games. And again

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it in great detail. Obviously I'll do

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Speaker 1: it in a little more detail this week. But the

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Speaker 1: thing I really noticed was some really staple Peyton concepts

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Speaker 1: that you know, to help Stidham, you know, really have

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Speaker 1: the throws be defined, because that's what you really try

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Speaker 1: to do without any quarterback, but certainly with a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who wasn't played. You hope that the system and the

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Speaker 1: schematics of your past game really define the reads and

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Speaker 1: the throws. Now, obviously you can do that much better

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Speaker 1: MIC in normal down and distant situations. Once you start

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Speaker 1: getting into the third and eighths and third and nine,

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Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult, and it would be extremely

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Speaker 1: difficult against either Houston or New England. Houston in particular,

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Speaker 1: but New England did a lot of really good things

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Speaker 1: last week defensively against the Chargers, so you know those

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Speaker 1: are the situations that would make it difficult for any quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but certainly a quarterback that hasn't set foot on the

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Speaker 1: field since twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: He's got a week to coach him up again. He's

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Speaker 3: been there all three years of the Sean Payton run

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Speaker 3: in Denver, so that speaks something to it. Look, I

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Speaker 3: may not love how Sean Payton handles reporters or some

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Speaker 3: of those responsibilities, but the man can coach. So we

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Speaker 3: know that, and we watched it come through as they

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Speaker 3: get ready for an AFC title opponent. We'll get into

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Speaker 3: Houston and New England as we go forward, Greg, But

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Speaker 3: we'd be remiss we didn't turn the clock back again.

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Speaker 3: Seattle and San Francisco coming out of the season finale,

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Speaker 3: the regular season finale, I don't know that there was

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Speaker 3: a lot of hope that San Francisco would be able

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Speaker 3: to pull off the monumental victory, particularly with George Kittle

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Speaker 3: not well on the chess board, not only as a receiver,

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Speaker 3: and we had all those metrics all week long. But

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Speaker 3: you and I have talked about it in the run game.

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Speaker 3: But we couldn't have expected this. As Rashid Shaheed decided, Hey,

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Speaker 3: let me announce my presence with authority.

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Speaker 4: We're off and running and over end.

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Speaker 5: Sure, Heat had his own five across the ten fifteen

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Speaker 5: twenty cut straight up field.

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Speaker 6: Have the cap about the forty midfield fishing turn a tripper,

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Speaker 6: go get him, tag it down. Say to the Ets,

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Speaker 6: holy catfish. Open the game. You win a ninety five

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Speaker 6: road touchdown, Stay.

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Speaker 1: Off, Seahawk, Say holy catfish.

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Speaker 2: He said, Holy Catfish.

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Speaker 1: That's worth it. It's worth the whole morning show right

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Speaker 1: now to hear holy Catfish.

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Speaker 2: How do you like that?

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Speaker 3: I mean we've had holy Cow. I'm a Chicago get

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Speaker 3: Holy Cow. I mean we've heard it in the lexicon

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Speaker 3: all these years. Holy catfish coming to you from Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: That is fantastic stuff. That's why they tray for Shaheed.

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Speaker 3: Big play as a receiver, and we've watched that in

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl, all of those things. But comes right off

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Speaker 2: Greg, who would have known?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I came in at five this morning,

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Speaker 1: I watched the Seahawks defense versus the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: depending on the number of plays, two and a half

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Speaker 1: and I take really copious notes, and I'll be the

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Speaker 1: first to admit I was surprised in one area. We

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Speaker 1: and it turned out to be wrong. Certainly on the

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. They consistently controlled and displaced one on

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Speaker 1: strong game both as a run defender and inside pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they just physically were stronger than the forty

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Speaker 1: the Niners. It was another one of those games where

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Speaker 1: the way the game started, the Niners could never get

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Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers pass game with Perty never developed

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Speaker 1: any rhythm whatsoever. And it's a rhythm pass game. It's

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Speaker 1: not an individual play pass game. Hey, where they're going

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Speaker 1: they're back in it. They're not that kind of pass game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic job for Shanahan overall for the season and

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Speaker 3: cobbling it together and all the platitudes and excitement, but

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Speaker 3: it ends in a crushing defeat, showing how far away

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Speaker 3: you are. And we could talk about injuries, we can

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Speaker 3: go back to the fact that Brandon Ayuk was never

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned his name Friday, and I had to go

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they could never get into an offensive flow.

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Speaker 1: So so McCaffrey, they need to be able to run plays.

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Speaker 1: be able to run plays, and even though they ended

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Speaker 1: lot of that stuff happened later. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: defined things that they do under McDonald. They're much more

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Speaker 1: high safety defense. That quarters shell is kind of their foundation.

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Speaker 1: But they play zone and man match principles within different coverages.

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Speaker 1: They predominantly rush with four and they stunt a lot

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Speaker 3: How about that right finishes the game? What three tackles,

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Speaker 3: you shot out of a cannon. I love watching this

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Speaker 3: defense Hound. We talked about it a lot last week, Gregan,

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Speaker 3: it again where you're watching nature videos like that's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I talked about it

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to us Seattle Radio and telling them

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Speaker 1: again I'm not going to sit here and say wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm smart, but I just looked at their players. I

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Speaker 1: obviously Mike McDonald's a little smarter than I am about defense,

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Speaker 1: him because essentially they play big Nickel emn wory is

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Speaker 3: Not that they needed to do a lot of heavylifting,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixteen and three. But we had a

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Speaker 3: lot of questions here Greg coming up to kickoff as

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald answered.

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Speaker 4: Sam's gonna roll left. Sam throws back of the end zone.

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Speaker 5: Guess who it is, Number eleven, Jackson Smith and jackbaw

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Speaker 5: A perfect pass by Donald.

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Speaker 2: And just like that catfish, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's light straight out of the nineteen sixties Batman, which

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Speaker 3: just celebrated its sixtieth anniversary last.

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Speaker 1: Wham pow oh. That was one of my favorite shows

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Speaker 1: with Adam West.

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Speaker 3: You know, oh, that's one of the best going. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you got Egghead and Vincent Price.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's go, oh yeah, and all the others.

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Speaker 1: Never rank the Riddler, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Gorshon always the best. Yeah, I'm gonna go watch some

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Speaker 3: of that before the games today. Now there you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got time. The games don't start to later. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a couple hours.

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Speaker 3: But for Sam Donald, the oblique injury that went from

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Speaker 3: odd it's no big deal to hey, he hasn't thrown

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Speaker 3: the official issue on the other game, and then the

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald and how injury information is parsed out because

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Speaker 1: Lock And you couldn't have scripted it any better if

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Speaker 1: he made some very good throws.

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Speaker 2: So there you go together.

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Speaker 1: Two points to make about all this, Number One, I

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Speaker 1: this year have come out of six ole line personnel.

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Speaker 1: But they're very predictable. They run the ball pretty much

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Speaker 1: a very high percentage of the time. To me, if

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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep doing this, I again, they know more

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Speaker 1: than I do about their personnel. Clearly, but I think

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Speaker 1: they've got to mix in a little more passing out

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Speaker 1: of that six ole line personnel, which you can do obviously,

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Speaker 1: you still have wide receivers on the field.

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Speaker 2: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: In the first hour we talked a lot about the

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Speaker 3: not a ton I mean, more handwringing to com as

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Speaker 3: we get into the new week. But the Brandon Cooks play,

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Speaker 3: the Mims play. I still want to know why I

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Speaker 3: was the only guy shouting, hey, Aaron Rodgers got nearly

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Speaker 3: concussed on the rankings touchdown hitting the helmet, and nobody's

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Speaker 3: seemed to care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a question I can't answer.

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Speaker 3: So it gets returned for a touchdowns like yeah, we

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Speaker 3: not see his head go flying before anything else happened.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad you mentioned that, not the specific play,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that you brought up rankings, because I

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Speaker 1: think one of the most overlooked elements and units of

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Speaker 1: that defense for the Texans, which of course most people

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Speaker 1: know about their very good is their detackle rotation. It's

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Speaker 1: very very good. You have autry, you've got Rankins, You've

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Speaker 1: got Tommy T. We're gonna call them Tommy T. So

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Speaker 1: I don't pronounce his last name incorrectly. I think people

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Speaker 1: know who I mean. Number seventy two, one of the

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Speaker 1: better inside de tackled run defenders in the NFL had

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal year playing their run. They are really good

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Speaker 1: inside and you know, obviously Anderson and Hunter a tremendous outside.

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Speaker 1: They kind of dictate how you have to pass protect.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it limits your eligibles because you have to keep

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Speaker 1: them in to protect. They're just really good at all

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Speaker 1: three levels, really good at all three levels. And by

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Speaker 1: NFL standards, I had this conversation with someone this week.

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Speaker 1: By NFL standards, they're not overly I hate to use

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Speaker 1: the word complicated because that's just not a good word,

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Speaker 1: but they're not overly detailed. In some ways, they're very reminiscent,

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Speaker 1: even though they're different in how they play. They're kind

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Speaker 1: of reminiscent of the Legion of Boom and that they

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Speaker 1: kind of line up and play and they're just really

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Speaker 1: really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, excited to watch that.

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Speaker 3: The Houston defense look daaka Ryans last week channeled is

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Speaker 3: Inner Aaron Glenn, except he actually won the game after

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Speaker 3: he danced on the sideline with that interception return for

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. As we go through it, but a big

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Speaker 3: defensive battle. I mean, this one could be a bit

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Speaker 3: of a rock fight today, Greg.

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Speaker 2: If it's yes to form.

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Speaker 1: It could well be. I mean that's Texans have a

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Speaker 1: really hard defense to play against. There a four to

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Speaker 1: two to five scheme because Petree is you know, they're

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Speaker 1: a big nickel essentially because of Petrie, who's turned out

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Speaker 1: to be a better player than I thought he would

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Speaker 1: be when he came into college. So you know, they're good.

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Speaker 1: And Bullock we've probably talked about this, I think this

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Speaker 1: season again he's in his second year. I thought Bullock

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Speaker 1: was the best post safety in the NFL. So they're

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Speaker 1: really strong. It's you know, like I said, they're relatively

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Speaker 1: basic on first and second down. They'll do some blitzing

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Speaker 1: on third down pressures. They're not a great blitzing team,

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Speaker 1: but their personnel allows them to be, as I said,

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Speaker 1: relatively simple from a schematic standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I've said, eventually, I've got the visions of

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Speaker 3: a wall of mean for the house to be determined later,

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Speaker 3: where I will be piling up defensive tackles, jerseys and

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Speaker 3: maybe something from my old guy Vince Wilfork, but you

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Speaker 3: know him and not it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be that would be a big jersey.

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Speaker 1: That would be a very big jersey.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I got a big wall that I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have to fill eventually.

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Speaker 1: All Right, it's Tongy I Tongy I, Tommy TUNGI I

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Speaker 1: really really good player. I mean probably not a household name,

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Speaker 1: but a really really good player.

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Speaker 3: We're going to work to make that one here, Patriots

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Speaker 3: three point favorites, forty and a half the total again

514
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Speaker 3: and showing you that we're anticipating a rock fight. All right,

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Speaker 3: we got plenty more to come. We've got the Rams

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Speaker 3: and the Bears. That's the nightcap, and we'll spend our

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Speaker 3: time for the rest of this hour breaking that all

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Speaker 3: down with you. All the coaching stuff and everything else

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Speaker 3: will kick to next week as the dance cards start

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Speaker 3: to get filled. Stefanski and Harbaugh the first chess pieces

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Speaker 3: off the board. Still seven remaining, but first let's go

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Speaker 3: over to Isaac Loewenkron, still reeling from that Chargers loss.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna be the last voice I

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Speaker 3: was ever gonna hear last week, Greg Cosel, because I was.

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Speaker 7: In the mountains rough way to go out, im back

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Speaker 7: from Boise A rough way to go out man.

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Speaker 3: As he tried to console Chargers fans after that one

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Speaker 3: at Isaac Lowancron, Hey, I love.

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Speaker 7: I'm actually for the record, still reeling from the Jacksonville

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Speaker 7: debacle after the twenty one song, So I'm still scheduled

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Speaker 7: to continue reeling on multiple platforms, fellas. Good morning, Mike

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Speaker 7: and Greg and coming up in just a few moments,

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Speaker 7: We've got fresh details on the Broncos Bills officiating controversy

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Speaker 7: from yesterday. First things first, Broncos quarterback Bone Nicks will

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Speaker 7: miss the rest of the playoffs after breaking a bone

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Speaker 7: in his ankle in overtime of Denver's thirty three to

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Speaker 7: thirty win over Buffalo. So Jared Stidham we'll take over

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Speaker 7: as the Broncos starting quarterback now. The Broncos, of course,

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Speaker 7: won thanks in part to a controversial overtime interception when

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Speaker 7: j Kwan McMillan tore the ball away from Buffalo's Brandon Cooks.

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Speaker 7: Referee Carl Sheffers told a pool reporter Cook's quote was

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Speaker 7: going to the ground as part of the process of

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Speaker 7: the catch and lost possession of the ball. The defender

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Speaker 7: gained possession and is the one that completed the process

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Speaker 7: of the catch unquote. Now, Buffalo head coach Sean McDermott

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Speaker 7: did his postgame press conference, got on the team plane

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Speaker 7: and saw the pool report that we just read to you,

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Speaker 7: and from the team plane last night, Sean McDermott took

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Speaker 7: the extraordinary step of calling Jay Skirsky of the Buffalo

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Speaker 7: News again from the Bills team plane and saying the

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Speaker 7: following quote, that's a catch all the way, I sat

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Speaker 7: in my locker and I looked at it probably twenty times,

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Speaker 7: and nobody can convince me that that ball is not

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Speaker 7: caught and in possession of Buffalo. I just have no

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Speaker 7: idea how the NFL handled it, in particular the way

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Speaker 7: that they did. There is no time spent with the

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Speaker 7: head official going underneath the hood or to the replay booth,

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Speaker 7: right to the monitor. I don't understand how that works.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand how that could be the case when

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Speaker 7: it's such a close play, so basically there is one

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Speaker 7: person ruling on that play, or only New York ruling

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Speaker 7: on that play. I don't agree with that. I don't

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Speaker 7: understand why the head official who is at the game

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Speaker 7: does not get a chance to look at the same

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Speaker 7: thing people.

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Speaker 4: In New York are ruling off unquote.

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Speaker 7: Last night, Seahawks over the forty nine Ers forty one

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Speaker 7: to six. Also Saturday night, the Atlanta Falcons hired former

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Speaker 7: Cleveland Browns head coach at Kevin Stefanski as their new

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Speaker 7: head coach. But Fellas, that's the first time I can

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Speaker 7: remember a head coach calling a reporter from the team

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Speaker 7: plane about a controversial call. Again, we credit Jay Skersky

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Speaker 7: of The Buffalo News for those comments. From Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: Back to you, guys, crazy crazy stuff at Isaac Lohencron.

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Speaker 3: As we continue here, it's Fox Football Sunday. If you

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Speaker 3: missed any of today's show, catch the podcast. Search Fox

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Speaker 3: quest for global domination. Again, search Fox Sports Radio wherever

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Speaker 3: you get your podcast. You'll find today's full show posted

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Speaker 3: right after we get off the air. Naturally, I'm watching

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Speaker 3: a replay of that game as we were talking and

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Speaker 3: Greg and so many other questions. I'd love to sit

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Speaker 3: with film review. I might have to just bring a

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Speaker 3: tray of celebration cupcakes at something like this offseason for

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Speaker 3: an extended review of all the chaos that we've seen

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Speaker 3: to this point.

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Speaker 2: And we've still got a couple of games left.

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Speaker 3: We just did the Texans and the Patriots, and then,

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Speaker 3: obviously for me, the Cardiac Bears continue their improbable run

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Speaker 3: with a big date against the Rams. Rams a touchdown

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Speaker 3: plus favorite here. Weather gonna feel like zero ish at

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Speaker 3: kickoff and get colder from there, potentially a little bit

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Speaker 3: of snow early in the day before the temperatures start

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Speaker 3: to dip all together again. I'll be in a nice, warm,

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Speaker 3: reclusive space here in California.

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Speaker 1: I always wonder about that, you know. I work with

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Speaker 1: Darius Butler on the NFL Matchup Show, and I say,

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Speaker 1: I said to Darius, and I said, you know, when

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Speaker 1: it gets to be a certain temperature, like you got

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Speaker 1: to feel They goes, oh, yeah, everybody feels it. I

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Speaker 1: mean people act like they don't, but I mean, he says,

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Speaker 1: you feel it. It's freaking cold. He said, I mean

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Speaker 1: you know, so you know, it's if it's going to

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Speaker 1: be fifteen below with windshill, no matter, even if you

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Speaker 1: live in Chicago, you know, and you practice there, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna feel it. That's cold.

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Speaker 2: No, but that's the thing right as you go through,

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Speaker 2: and you can dismiss it.

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Speaker 3: And look, you can't lean into it because otherwise you're

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Speaker 3: called soft or you're making excuses before you get there,

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Speaker 3: or whatever folks want to say. But you know, we're

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Speaker 3: talking about wind gus twenty five to thirty miles an hour.

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Speaker 3: And let's face it, like take that Seattle San Francisco

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Speaker 3: game when it's seven nothing seven seconds into the game.

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Speaker 2: Guess what that next hit hurts a little bit.

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Speaker 1: More, Yeah, and a little bit more. Yeah, they'll feel it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting and you have two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: obviously with power arms that can their balls can cut

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Speaker 1: through the wind. So it'll it'll. I'll be curious to

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Speaker 1: see how it impacts, you know, play calling. You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about this game, obviously we're talking

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Speaker 1: about it now, and I'm not suggesting that the Rams

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Speaker 1: are a phenomenal running football team. I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: thinks of Kyron Williams or Blake Korum, but they've never

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Speaker 1: played together, Mike, so it's either one or the other.

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Speaker 1: And you know they've combined combined to rush her over

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Speaker 1: two thousand yards. And because they are not big playbacks,

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't have those breakaway runs where you

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Speaker 1: go wow. You know, they're both kind of grinders sustainers,

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Speaker 1: but you know, two thousand yards is a lot of yards.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, they do not play together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be.

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Speaker 3: Curious to watch out the mix and match there. For

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Speaker 3: the Bears, a couple of key injuries. We'll get to

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Speaker 3: that side of the ball as we continue. We've got

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Speaker 3: one more segment to go on the game. Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 3: the finger injury. But for Caleb Williams and the Bears,

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Speaker 3: these slow starts, you keep waiting for those to catch up,

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Speaker 3: and we watched it. Look, they take down the Packers.

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Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur is getting an extension and staying on and

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Speaker 3: certainly Packers fans aren't terribly thrilled about it. Late game

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Speaker 3: decision making going all the way back to giving the

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Speaker 3: ball back to Tom Brady all those years ago, or

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Speaker 3: things that's stick in my crawl as a well non part.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I call what it is. I'm a

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Speaker 3: Bears guy, but like sometimes there's just football decisions where

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Speaker 3: I'm just raising my hand, going, all right, explain this

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Speaker 3: to me, you know, like I said with Sean Payton,

653
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Speaker 3: even after the Josh Allen turnover early in the second half, going,

654
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Speaker 3: you have the opportunity to potentially put the dagger in here.

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Speaker 3: Your defense was playing pretty well at that point. Why

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Speaker 3: are you not going for it? But all of those

657
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Speaker 3: kinds of things, that's why they get paid more money

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Speaker 3: than I do, and why Matt Lafleur still has a job.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, go ah, Greg, Well, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: it's funny. I don't even think about that stuff when

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Speaker 1: I watch games. I mean, I know fans, do you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm totally crazy, but I always think those guys

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Speaker 1: no more than I do.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, but in the moment, did just you're trying

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Speaker 3: to play along. It's like you're playing a board game,

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Speaker 3: right right, It's happening in live action, like okay, trying.

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Speaker 3: It's like Tony Romo used to try to predict predict

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Speaker 3: the plays, and for a year or two he was

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Speaker 3: pretty good at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, he says, Wow, it's funny you say that. I

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Speaker 1: went to the Sixers Cavs game Friday night. I've been

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Speaker 1: fortunate to get to know the Sixers head coach, Nick Nurse.

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Speaker 1: So I went down to the game, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he got us really good seats, and the guy sitting

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Speaker 1: behind me was just like basically coaching the whole game,

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Speaker 1: just yelling. And I said to my I was there

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Speaker 1: with my son in law, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the wrong profession. He obviously should

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Speaker 1: be an NBA head coach, you know.

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Speaker 2: But he just needs a chance, Greg exactly.

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Speaker 1: He needs That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But that's it.

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Speaker 3: We're all trying to figure out the chess game and

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Speaker 3: try to predict it.

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Speaker 2: And when something happens like does that?

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Speaker 3: You know, Look, in the end, we all want to

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Speaker 3: be right, whether we're opinionists here on the radio or

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Speaker 3: a fans sitting at home. It's all about watching and

689
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Speaker 3: second guessing, whether it's an officials call or non call,

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Speaker 3: the coach, and whether he runs the ball or not.

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Speaker 3: You know, John Harball, why didn't Derek hen receive the ball?

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Speaker 2: More? All of those things.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's what that's what being a fan is that's

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Speaker 1: the you know, that's what that's the fun of it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, getting back to Caleb Williams, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously that fourth and seventh play, fourth and eight,

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Speaker 1: I think it was Yeah, it was just ridiculous. Uh

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Speaker 1: but uh, it was an interesting sort of second half

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Speaker 1: because I thought one of the most overlooked things in

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Speaker 1: that game which really helped the Bears was Edgeran Cooper

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Speaker 1: going down because Edgeran Cooper's lost to me, that was

702
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Speaker 1: the determining factor in their in their past rush Ski

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Speaker 1: Manux because he's an excellent blitzer and obviously that took

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Speaker 1: him out of the equation for Jeff Haffley and the

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Speaker 1: Packers had they did not really have a consistent pass

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Speaker 1: rush from their four men D line as the second

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Speaker 1: half progressed. So you know, I thought Cooper being out

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Speaker 1: was really a big overlooked factor in that game.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we will go through the rest of the

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Speaker 3: chess match and what the coordinators are looking at defensively

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Speaker 3: as we move forward, some of the injury notes as

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Speaker 3: we go through two huge losses for the Bears last

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Speaker 3: week as well that they'll have to navigate on either

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Speaker 3: side of the ball, all of that and more. As

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Speaker 3: we wrap things up here, it's Fox Football Sunday, Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. He's great, co Sell and I'm Mike Carmon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football Sunday, Mike Carmon,

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Speaker 3: Greg Cosell having a blast with you here. Come up

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Speaker 3: in ten minutes. You got countdown to Kickoff presented by

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Speaker 3: bet MGM. You got Bill Bryant and Jeff ready to

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Speaker 3: break it all down. Get you ready for the National

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Speaker 3: Title game as well. We'll review that one in ernest

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Speaker 3: a week from from now as we get ready for

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Speaker 3: Championship weekend in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But we're talking.

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Speaker 3: Bears and Rams, Greg and Ozzie Trapillo's absence a big deal.

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Speaker 3: He's out Bears now Tooney's gonna move to left tackle

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Speaker 3: and a shuffle up of a line that has been

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Speaker 3: pretty set.

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Speaker 1: They say that for sure he's gonna play left tackle.

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Speaker 3: I saw that I saw that yesterday. I got to

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Speaker 3: go back and make sure. I'm I'm nuts.

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Speaker 1: Sure because the other kid's been playing Benedet or Benedett.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not hurt too, is he. I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: because we saw what happened the last time Tony played

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Speaker 1: left tackle, and that was in the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: that did not go well. And he's going to be

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Speaker 1: up against Shared Verse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess it's it's reduced to the consideration

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Speaker 3: and possibility. But I had seen it and I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to find the source talking. Don't want to get myself

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Speaker 3: truly killed by the local Bears folks, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: one of those things that's on the table either way.

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Speaker 3: They need to shuffle up for a guy that has

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Speaker 3: been pretty fantastic all year long. And that's the one thing.

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Speaker 3: The Rams front is a difficult proposition, but they can

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Speaker 3: be had in the in the back end, which is

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Speaker 3: where Caleb Williams and company look to do some damage

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Speaker 3: at Dounza in Company Ready for Bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the the whether you want

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Speaker 1: to call it a weakness or just not a strength

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Speaker 1: of the Rams defense is their corners and we saw

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Speaker 1: that in the wild card game against the Panthers, and

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Speaker 1: assuming that there's no issues throwing the football or they're

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Speaker 1: they're minimal, I think that the Bears are probably looking

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Speaker 1: at that as a way to attack. Now again, they

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Speaker 1: have to protect. Although we know Caleb Williams can make

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Speaker 1: plays with his legs and that's we've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of that, certainly in the second half of games. But

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Speaker 1: you have to protect. And and they're a good defense

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Speaker 1: in their in their front group and in their their

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Speaker 1: linebacker group has been very good. But we'll see. You know,

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Speaker 1: Quintin Lake played last week for the first time. He

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Speaker 1: struggled a bit, but I think he's a very good player.

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Speaker 1: But you know, that's an area we'll see how that

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Speaker 1: plays out.

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Speaker 3: Had to make sure I wasn't totally insane. It was

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Speaker 3: Brad Diggs of the Tribune and the score, so it

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Speaker 3: wasn't just Harmon in a fever dream.

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Speaker 1: No, no, and and Brad Bigg's been doing this a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty of it. You know, that's going to

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Speaker 3: be part of my pregaming later on Hampton and Obradovich

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Speaker 3: to get myself right, because if I think everything's right

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Speaker 3: with the world, I need them to knock me back

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Speaker 3: a peg because even if I'm winning, hey, you could

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Speaker 3: have done it better.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the same thing now that they're considering shifting

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Speaker 1: Joe Toney to left tackle. That's hey, look they know

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Speaker 1: more than we do. But I mean, I just think

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Speaker 1: back to what happened last year in the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: when he was so overmatched in the super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it's Jared Verch. He's a

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Speaker 1: very strong rusher and you know if he gets inside

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Speaker 1: of you, and obviously Toney is a guard, and this

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Speaker 1: is where arm length becomes a factor. I think his

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Speaker 1: arm length is thirty one inches, which is never you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't play left tackle in the NFL with thirty

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Speaker 1: one inch arms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where it gets into the interesting chess match.

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Speaker 3: How much are Ma Nung guy and Swift ready?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Back to chip and how much does that change the

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Speaker 3: complexion of things because we've watched great rooins in the

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Speaker 3: short game more efficient second half once they feel like

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Speaker 3: their backs are to the wall. So even the local

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Speaker 3: politicos are saying, hey, could you just pretend you're down

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Speaker 3: fourteen enough and to start the game.

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Speaker 1: Yet there you go so wow, that's pretty interesting. And

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Speaker 1: then just a quick point about the Rams offense. You

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Speaker 1: know you're going to see a lot of Cover two

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Speaker 1: and Cover three from the Bears. That's what they play.

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Speaker 1: The Rams are good at attacking it. The key for

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Speaker 1: them will be protection as well.

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Speaker 3: See how much they can isolate Gordon, who struggled in

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Speaker 3: average a week ago the chess match. Later on today

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Speaker 3: he's Greg Cosell on Mike Harvey catch up all week

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Speaker 3: NFL films, Colin on Thursday, I'll see you tomorrow night

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Speaker 3: with Smith on Fox.

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Speaker 1: On.

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Speaker 2: Greetings and welcome in hour two of the program, as

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Speaker 2: we get you set for Divisional Round NFL Playoffs Part two,

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Speaker 2: the sequel. We'll see if we get the It was

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Speaker 2: like a Hollywood movie yesterday, right, because we got a

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Speaker 2: thirty three thirty overtime thriller in the first game and

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Speaker 2: then they couldn't stick the landing because it was over

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Speaker 2: before you blinked between the Seahawks and forty nine Ers. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing that to a torment our executive producer

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Speaker 2: Brandon Deutsch, but unfortunately, sometimes you know you gotta wear it.

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Speaker 3: Chris Purfett tags in from Mark Ramsey we got Isaac

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Speaker 3: Lohan Cron on the updates, and of course I'm Mike

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Speaker 3: Harmon alongside my guy Greg Cosell forty six years NFL films,

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Speaker 3: the Matchup Show, the Ross Tucker Podcast appointment listening every

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Speaker 3: Thursday as well with Colin Coward as he joins him

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Speaker 3: for what Colin dubs the best fifteen to twenty minutes

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Speaker 3: that you'll hear on his show all week long.

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Speaker 2: See, I put that on a T shirt for you.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I love it. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with some extra rhinestones.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I appreciate that. By the way, during

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Speaker 1: the break, I was taking a peek in my system here.

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at a couple of Jared Stidham

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Speaker 1: throws from twenty twenty three, because Sean Payton was the

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Speaker 1: coach and he started the final two games. And again

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it in great detail. Obviously I'll do

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Speaker 1: it in a little more detail this week. But the

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Speaker 1: thing I really noticed was some really staple Peyton concepts

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Speaker 1: that you know, to help Stidham, you know, really have

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Speaker 1: the throws be defined, because that's what you really try

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Speaker 1: to do without any quarterback, but certainly with a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who wasn't played. You hope that the system and the

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Speaker 1: schematics of your past game really define the reads and

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Speaker 1: the throws. Now, obviously you can do that much better

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Speaker 1: Mike in normal down in distant situations. Once you start

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Speaker 1: getting into the third and eighths and third and nine,

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Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult, and it would be extremely

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Speaker 1: difficult against either Houston or New England. Houston in particular,

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Speaker 1: but New England did a lot of really good things

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Speaker 1: last week defensively against the Chargers, So you know, those

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Speaker 1: are the situations that would make it difficult for any quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but certainly a quarterback that hasn't set foot on the

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Speaker 1: field since twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: He's got a week to coach him up again. He's

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Speaker 3: been there all three years of the Sean Payton run

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Speaker 3: in Den, so that speaks something to it. Look, I

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Speaker 3: may not love how Sean Payton handles reporters or some

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Speaker 3: of those responsibilities, but the man can coach. So we

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Speaker 3: know that, and we watched it come through as they

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Speaker 3: get ready for an AFC title opponent. We'll get into

866
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: Houston and New England as we go forward, Greg, but

867
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: we'd be remiss. We didn't turn the clock back again.

868
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: Seattle and San Francisco coming out of the season finale,

869
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: the regular season finale, I don't know that there was

870
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: a lot of hope that San Francisco would be able

871
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: to pull off the monumental victory, particularly with George Kittle

872
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: not on the chess board, not only as a receiver.

873
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: And we had all those metrics all week long. But

874
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: you and I have talked about it in the run game.

875
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: But we couldn't have expected this.

876
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: As Rashid Shaheed decided, hey, let me announce my presence

877
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: with authority.

878
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: We're off and running and over end. Sure he'd had

879
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: his own five across the ten fifteen to twenty cut

880
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 4: straight up field.

881
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 6: Have the cap? What brought the forting midfield fifty turn

882
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: a two per bout him? Tag it down.

883
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Say to the.

884
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 6: Holy catfish, open the game. You win a ninety five

885
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 6: year old touchdown.

886
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Stay off Seahawk, say holy catfish.

887
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: He said, Holy Catfish.

888
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: That's worth it. It's worth the whole morning show right

889
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: now to hear holy Catfish.

890
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: How do you like that?

891
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: I mean, we've had holy Cow. I'm a Chicago can't

892
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: holy Cow? I mean We've heard it in the lexicon

893
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 3: all these years. Holy catfish coming to you from Seattle.

894
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

895
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: That is fantastic stuff. That's why they traded for Shaheed.

896
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: Big play as a receiver, and we've watched that in

897
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: New Orleans for years, but certainly in the return game,

898
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: offering big dividends all season long. He's going to the

899
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl, all of those things, but comes right off

900
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: the jump, he had a tripping penalty.

901
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Piniero wanted no.

902
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: Part of it, so he tried to do a half

903
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: soccer slide tackle to no avail as the touchdown holds

904
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: and that's all they needed for the rest of the game.

905
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Greg who would have known?

906
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I came in at five this morning,

907
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: five eastern. Obviously at eight eastern is when we start

908
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: the show. So what I did watch on tape was

909
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: I watched the Seahawks defense versus the forty nine ers

910
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: offense all the plays this morning, because you know, to

911
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: go through one side of a ball for me does take,

912
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: depending on the number of plays, two and a half

913
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: to three hours, because I watched it in great detail,

914
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: and I take really co be notes and I'll be

915
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: the first to admit I was surprised in one area.

916
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: We know that when they played Week eighteen, which was

917
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: just two weeks ago, was Seattle's last game. I thought

918
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: that Seattle just physically dominated the forty nine Ers, and

919
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: I did not think that would happen again, I really didn't,

920
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be wrong. Certainly on the

921
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. I thought the Seahawks three

922
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: man D line, a D tackle rotation of Williams, Murphy

923
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: and Reid just dominated the interior offensive line of the

924
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: of the forty nine ers. They consistently controlled and displaced

925
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: one on one blocks. Read in particular, a veteran. He

926
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: had a strong game both as a run defender and

927
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: inside pass rusher. I mean, they just physically were stronger

928
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: than the forty nine ers offensive line, particularly inside, as

929
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: I said, and the Niners, you know, it was another

930
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: one of those games where the way the game started,

931
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: the Niners could never get into a flow and they

932
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: were never really any rhythm. The forty nine Ers pass

933
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: game with Perty never developed any rhythm whatsoever. And it's

934
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: a rhythm pass game, it's not an individual play pass game. Hey,

935
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: where they're going to hit the fifty yarder and you go, Okay,

936
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: now they're back in it. They're not that kind of

937
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: pass game.

938
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic job for Shanahan overall for the season and

939
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: cobbling it together and all the platitudes and excitement, but

940
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: it ends in a crushing defeat, showing how far away

941
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: you are. And we can talk about injuries. We can

942
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: go back to the fact that Brandon Ayuk was never

943
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: on the board, right. I mentioned his name Friday, and

944
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: I had to go back in my notes. I think

945
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: it had been ten weeks since we even broached his name,

946
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: because he's just been a you know, so far gone

947
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: in what they've had to try to do. But the

948
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: loss of Kittle becomes too much and brock Perty ends

949
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: up your leading rusher.

950
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah by the day with thirty seven yards.

951
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they could never get into an offensive flow.

952
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: So McCaffrey, they need to be able to run plays.

953
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this probably after the game

954
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: they played two weeks ago. You know, they need to

955
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: be able to run plays. And even though they ended

956
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: up with sixty plays, it was that was just a

957
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff happened later. But you know, I

958
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: think we have to talk about Seattle's defense, Mike McDonald

959
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: has done an unbelievable job. There are some really clearly

960
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: defined things that they do under McDonald. They're much more

961
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: of a two high safety shell defense than a single

962
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: high safety defense. That quarters shell is kind of their foundation.

963
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: But they play zone and man match principles within different coverages.

964
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: They predominantly rush with four and they stunt a lot

965
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: with a lot of multiple stunt concepts, and they're really

966
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: good at it. I'll tell you what, you know. A

967
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: player that has been talked about as you know, but

968
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: it seems like he's found the fountain of youth in

969
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: Seattle is to Marcus Lawrence.

970
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: How about that right finishes the game?

971
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: What three tackles, a sack, a couple of tackles for

972
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: loss and like you shot out of a cannon. I

973
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: love watching this defense hound. We talked about it a

974
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: lot last week, Gregan throughout the season, just the and

975
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: I made my mutual of Omaha kind of reference earlier.

976
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: We'll go back to it again where you're watching nature

977
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: videos like that's not gonna end well for that guy.

978
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: It's just a little bit behind the pack.

979
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I talked about it

980
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: over the summer, you know, prior to the season, where

981
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I remember talking to US Seattle Radio and telling them

982
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: that they're going to have a really good defense. And

983
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: again I'm not going to sit here and say, Wow,

984
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm smart, but I just looked at their players. I

985
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: looked at you know, I really loved Nick emmann Wari

986
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: coming out of college, and I had a sense. I mean,

987
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: obviously Mike McDonald's a little smarter than I am about defense,

988
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: but I just had a sense how we might envision

989
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: him because essentially they played big nickel. Emn Wari is

990
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: really a sam linebacker, a strong side linebacker in the

991
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: context of their defense, and he's a really really good player,

992
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: but he can be a tight end E racer and

993
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: man coverage. They don't play a ton of man, but

994
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: he can be a tight end E racer. He's a

995
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: very good blitzer. So he's really given them a lot

996
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: with the way that Mike McDonald has chosen to deploy him.

997
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: Now, let's go to the other side of the ball

998
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: for Seattle. Not that they needed to do a lot

999
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: of headlifting, but they did with Kenneth Walker the third

1000
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: with his one hundred and sixteen and three. But we

1001
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: had a lot of questions here Greg coming up to

1002
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: kickoff as to what was going to go on.

1003
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: Sam Donald answered, Sam's.

1004
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 4: Going to roll left. Sam throws back of the end zone.

1005
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: Is a caught in bound in his Toutson sayhawks far.

1006
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Back corner of the end zone.

1007
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 5: Guess who in his number eleven? Jackson Smith and Jackbaw.

1008
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 5: A perfect pass by Donald and just.

1009
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: Like that catfish.

1010
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, a flight straight out of the nineteen sixties Batman,

1011
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: which celebrated its sixtieth anniversary last Wham pow.

1012
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh. That was one of my favorite shows with Adam West.

1013
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, that's one of the best going. I mean,

1014
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: you got Egghead and Vincent Price, i mean, let's go,

1015
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and all the others. Never Frank is the Riddler, Yeah,

1016
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: Gorshan always the best. Yeah, I'm gonna go watch some

1017
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: of that before the games today.

1018
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: Now there you go.

1019
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, you got time. The games don't start till later.

1020
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: You got time.

1021
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a couple hours.

1022
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: But for Sam Donald, the oblique injury that went from

1023
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: odd it's no big deal to hey, he hasn't thrown

1024
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: a football in forty eight hours, leading a lot of

1025
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: people to get a bit angsty, and look, we have

1026
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: the official issue on the other game, and then the

1027
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: Sam Donald and how injury information is parsed out because

1028
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 3: even pregame, all you saw out on the field, Yeah,

1029
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: he'll row and lock.

1030
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: And you couldn't have scripted it any better if you

1031
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: were McDonald and that Seahawks offensive coaching staff, because he

1032
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: didn't have to throw it a lot, although he made

1033
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: some very good throws.

1034
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: By the way, well, I mean even that one, right,

1035
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: a little play action, little role. It's like, all right,

1036
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of footwork to him. Whatever

1037
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: they shot him up with, he was feeling good.

1038
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: He had cup on an outcut. It was probably first

1039
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: or second quarter, I can't remember. That was just a

1040
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: great throw. But it was scripted perfectly. He didn't have

1041
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: to drop back a lot. You know. The thing to

1042
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: me that is probably most heartening for them. In their

1043
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: last two games they've run Now again it's been both

1044
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, so we'll see what happens

1045
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: is they go forward, but they've been able to run

1046
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: the ball extremely well in their last two games, and

1047
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: that is absolutely critical because what they want to be

1048
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: in the pass game with Kubiak is Donald under center

1049
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: and the play action pass game that's foundationally what they

1050
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: want to be. Now, you can do that without having

1051
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: a great run game, because one of the big myths

1052
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: in football, Mike, is that you need a great run

1053
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: game to run play action. That myth has been destroyed

1054
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: many times over the years and disproven. But the point

1055
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: is they do want to be able to run the

1056
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: football with Donald under center.

1057
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: Now you go back in the regular see, we know

1058
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: the Bears are susceptible to getting hit by the run.

1059
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker the third in these two games against the Rams,

1060
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 3: you're looking at one hundred and fifteen or thereabout total

1061
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: yards in the first one and then one hundred and

1062
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: sixty four total yards in that overtime chaotic game. So yeah,

1063
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: certainly has had his success. But for Darnald, I mean

1064
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: you mentioned the Cooper cup throw like the three that

1065
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: he hit him with early to make him a factor.

1066
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: All good throws, and he took a big hit early on.

1067
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I think we all inched

1068
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: up in our chairs to see how he was going

1069
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 3: to get.

1070
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 8: Up from the ground.

1071
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: Now you know again obviously he played and it didn't

1072
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: seem to have an impact. But he's going to get

1073
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: an extra day because they were a Saturday game. So

1074
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: my guess is they'll probably put him in bubble wrap,

1075
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, for another three days and then see how

1076
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: he is, you know, but he's obviously going to play

1077
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: next week because he played last night. So but you know,

1078
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy. Look as I said earlier,

1079
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a horse in these in the race,

1080
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, in my career, I probably interviewed,

1081
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Speaker 1: you know, well over a thousand players and coaches, and

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Speaker 1: that's what I've done for years. And he's just a

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Speaker 1: guy to pull for. Actually met him at the Combine

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Speaker 1: when he came out. He was in the same draft

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen. Both were working at the time and

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Speaker 1: I assume they still do with Jordan Palmel Palmer, and

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Speaker 1: that's how I met him. And he's just a super

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00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: nice guy, Like he's the kind of guy you pull for.

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Speaker 3: Talk about the career to the post career career for

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Speaker 3: Jordan Palmer, the quarterback guru that come in his post

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Speaker 3: playing days.

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Speaker 1: He's great at it. Amazing, it's absolutely great at it.

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00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: Now I've been around him numerous times. He's really really

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Speaker 1: good at it.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic stuff. So the Seahawks roll on forty one six

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Speaker 3: your final. They'll await the winner of Bears Rams later on,

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Speaker 3: but first we'll go to the AFC. As we continue

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Speaker 3: Greg's gonna tell me how New England reinvented football last

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Speaker 3: week against the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Gradies and welcome back in Fox Football Sunday. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: We got action on the pitch overseas. We're watching some

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Speaker 3: replays of the Australian Open it. We're getting ready for

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Speaker 3: what is a divisional Sunday. We've got snow in the

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Speaker 3: Greater Boston area. It's cold as hell in Chicago, and

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Speaker 3: I'm nice and balmy here in a southern California studio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in on Mike Darman alongside Greg Cosel forty

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Speaker 3: six years NFL film. He might be cold in his

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: studio right now, wearing a parka, just to you knowlate

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: the conditions.

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Speaker 1: I think it might. We might be getting a little

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Speaker 1: snow here in South Jersey today, so nothing major, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little cool. But you know, but it's January

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Speaker 1: in the Northeast, so you know, you kind of expect that.

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Speaker 2: Little little expectations there.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I traveled and got my kid off

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Speaker 3: to college at Boise last week, and the worst experience

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Speaker 3: that I've had weatherwise in a long time was the

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Speaker 3: first time we stopped for gas. Like, I won't be

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Speaker 3: too bad. I'm a southside Chicago and by birth. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've been out of the city for a minute. I

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Speaker 3: lived in upstate New York for a while. Like all

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Speaker 3: of these things, I was shaking uncontrollably for twenty minutes

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00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: after pumping gas, like my muscles were spasming. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: what's going on here? It's like something out of a movie.

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Speaker 1: Greg, it was a little cold.

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, it was a nice shock to the system.

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00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: Means either a I have to reacclimate myself over a

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00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: longer period of time or just continue to eat beef sandwiches,

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00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: deep dish pizza and other things that pull a sasage

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Speaker 3: to get myself back up to playing.

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Speaker 1: Weight probably or see couldn't mean You're just getting a

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Speaker 1: little older, you know, and I dare you fix it?

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Speaker 2: Young in spry.

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Speaker 3: you've got to explain to me because in the post

1155
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: game between the Chargers and the Patriots, evidently the Charger said,

1156
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of stuff we've never seen before, Like

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00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 3: they were in a multi dimensional Stranger Things kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was going back and forth this week

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00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: on that with Kurt Warner, who obviously, as you know,

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00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: watches all the tape as well, and we just didn't

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Speaker 1: quite understand that. I mean, I think they did a

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00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: really good job of changing looks pre snap to post snap.

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Speaker 1: I thought they did a really nice job with their pressures.

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 1: They were very aggressive with their pressure concepts, which made

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00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: sense because of the old line they were playing against.

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Speaker 1: I thought that they did a really good job slanting

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00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: with their D line because the Chargers O line is

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: not very athletic or mobile, and when you slant, you

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: get them to have to move right away the old line.

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Speaker 1: That is so I thought tactically they did a really

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: good job. They didn't get to any coverages that justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert or the Chargers had never seen before. Now it's

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00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: possible that they were not expecting certain coverages in a

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00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: given situation, you know, there's always that element to it,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't do anything that reinvented defensive coverage. And

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Speaker 1: I thought that Herbert did not play well mentally. I

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Speaker 1: thought that he didn't see things. They were throws to

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Speaker 1: be made and for whatever reason, he did not pull

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Speaker 1: the trigger. You know, as I said, I take really

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Speaker 1: detailed notes. So I said, without specifically knowing Herbert's reading

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00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: progressions on given route concepts, my sense was he left

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00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: some intermediate and vertical throws on the field. Pressure was

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00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: not a factor. That was particularly true in the first half.

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Speaker 1: In the second half, the pressure clearly became a factor

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Speaker 1: and there started to be way too many free hitters

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Speaker 1: at Herbert. But in the first half that wasn't really

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Speaker 1: a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like he had a couple of shots

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Speaker 3: the Macconcie that could have been made. He expressed his

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Speaker 3: frustrations because remember he lost a lot of targets with

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Speaker 3: Keenan Allen coming back. Devlin, the O line coach, walked

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Speaker 3: the plank, as did Greg Roman, Chargers amongst they're on

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: that handful of teams. Though, every year that I come

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00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: out of the regular season, Greg raising my hand, going,

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Speaker 3: we need a proper and thorough reeval evaluation of our

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: training policies and procedures and how we keep guys on

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Speaker 3: a field. Baltimore, San Francisco and the Chargers chiefly among them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. Again, you know who knows

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Speaker 1: what goes on in the buildings, But yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: that Patriot defense is really interesting. I did the Woodson

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Speaker 1: kid coming out of I believe was it cal and

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Speaker 1: I really liked him a lot and he became a

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Speaker 1: starter pretty much from day one. And I think that

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Speaker 1: there are two safeties who are probably not well known

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00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of people outside of the Boston Foxborough area,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they will be now. You know, they're playing

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Speaker 1: in a big game obviously today. But Woodson and Hawkins,

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00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: they're kind of interchangeable in alignment and deployment. I think

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00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: the slot corner Marcus Jones has had a really good season.

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00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: He's also alignment and deployment versatile, really good man coverage corner,

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Speaker 1: excellent blitzer at times he lines up a safety, and

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Speaker 1: now that Milton Williams is back, he is a powerful

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Speaker 1: bull rusher inside. We saw that last week. Barmores had

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Speaker 1: a really good season. Is the other tackle. This is

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Speaker 1: a very good defense. I've always been a spelane guy,

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Speaker 1: going back to when he was in Pittsburgh. Just one

1217
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Speaker 1: of those really savvy linebackers. Mike knows how to play.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to take him off the field.

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Speaker 3: Leading no pop culture reference you know on turned here.

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Speaker 3: I mean you get a little Mickey Splaine in their eyes.

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Speaker 3: It's only appropriate that they you highlight Hawkins after I

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Speaker 3: make a Stranger Things reference.

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Speaker 1: So there goes together, it all, it all works together.

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Speaker 1: He got that right.

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Speaker 2: But that's the question here for CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 3: He's down Nico Collins this week. More plants on those

1227
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Speaker 3: Iowa State guys and Dalton Schultz. But key to all

1228
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Speaker 3: of this becomes Woody Marks and how you're able to,

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Speaker 3: if at all, get that run. Game started to make

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Speaker 3: things a little easier for CJ. Stroud because I got

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Speaker 3: to say that was a pretty painful watch against the

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Speaker 3: Steelers front, Like the opportunity was there, the defense gave

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Speaker 3: them everything early and they overcame Stroud's early struggles with

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Speaker 3: the big plays late.

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Speaker 1: Two points to make about all this, Number One, I

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Speaker 1: think that Stroud. You know, he's a timing and rhythm passer.

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Speaker 1: He's at his best when he can hit his back

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Speaker 1: foot and deliver the ball and be decisive. That's when

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Speaker 1: he's really plus. Throwing traits show up. The longer he's

1240
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Speaker 1: in the pocket, the less comfortable he becomes. Mike and

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Speaker 1: he speeds up his mental and physical process, and I'm

1242
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Speaker 1: sure you can and people listening can picture. You can

1243
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: see him when he speeds up. He just doesn't look comfortable.

1244
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: The other thing that they do more than any team

1245
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: in the league is they play more snaps out of

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Speaker 1: six offensive line personnel. Almost twenty percent of their snaps

1247
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Speaker 1: this year have come out of six oh line personnel.

1248
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: But they're very predictable. They run the ball pretty much

1249
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: a very high percentage of the time. To me, if

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01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: they're going to keep doing this, I again, they know

1251
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: more than I do about their personnel, clearly, but I

1252
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: think they've got to mix in a little more passing

1253
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: out of that six ole line personnel, which you can

1254
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: do obviously, you still have wide receivers on the field.

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Speaker 2: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: In the first hour we talked a lot about the

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Speaker 3: not a ton I mean, more handwringing to come as

1258
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: we get into the new week. But the Brandon Cooks play,

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01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: the Mims play. I still want to know why I

1260
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Speaker 3: was the only guy shouting hey, Aaron Rodgers got nearly

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: concussed on the rankings, touchdown hitting the helmet, and nobody's

1262
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: seemed to.

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Speaker 9: Care that's a question I can't answer, so it gets

1264
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 9: rejourned for a touchdowns like, yeah, we not see his

1265
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Speaker 9: head go flying before anything else happened.

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Speaker 1: But that's I'm glad you mentioned that, not the specific play,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that you brought up rankins, because I

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01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: think one of the most overlooked elements and units of

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: that defense for the Texans, which of course most people

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Speaker 1: know about their very good is their detackle rotation. It's

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Speaker 1: very very good. You have autry, you've got Rankins, You've

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Speaker 1: got Tommy T. We're gonna call them Tommy T. So

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't pronounce his last name incorrectly. I think people

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Speaker 1: know who I mean. Number seventy two, one of the

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: better inside detackled run defenders in the NFL, had a

1276
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: phenomenal year playing their run. They are really good inside

1277
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously Anderson and Hunter a tremendous outside.

1278
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: They kind of dictate how you have to pass protect.

1279
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it limits your eligibles because you have to keep

1280
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: them in to protect. They're just really good at all

1281
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: three levels, really good at all three levels, and by

1282
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: NFL standards. I had this conversation with someone this week

1283
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: by NFL standards. They're not overly I hate to use

1284
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: the word complicated because that's just not a good word,

1285
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: but they're not overly detailed. In some ways, they're very reminiscent,

1286
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: even though they're different in how they play. They're kind

1287
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: of reminiscent of the Legion of Boom and that they

1288
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of line up and play and they're just really

1289
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, excited to watch that.

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Speaker 3: The Houston defense look jamik O Ryans last week channeled

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Speaker 3: is Inner Aaron Glenn, except he actually won the game

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Speaker 3: after he danced on the sideline with that interception return

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Speaker 3: for a touchdown. As we go through it, but a

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Speaker 3: big defensive battle. I mean, this one could be a

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Speaker 3: bit of a rock fight today, Greg. If it's yes

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Speaker 3: to form.

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Speaker 1: It could well be. I mean, that's all Texans have

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Speaker 1: a really hard defense to play against. There a four

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Speaker 1: to two to five scheme because Petree is you know,

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Speaker 1: they're a big nickel essentially because of Petrie, who's turned

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Speaker 1: out to be a better player than I thought he

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Speaker 1: would be when he came into college. So you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're good. And and and Bullock. We've probably talked

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Speaker 1: about this, I think this season again he's in his

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Speaker 1: second year. I thought Bullock was the best post safety

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. So they're really strong. It's it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I said, they're relatively basic on first and second down.

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Speaker 1: They'll do some blitzing on third down pressures. They're not

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Speaker 1: a great blitzing team, but their personnel allows them to be,

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Speaker 1: as I said, relatively simple from a schematic standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I've said, eventually, I've got the visions of

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Speaker 3: a wall of mean for the house to be determined later,

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Speaker 3: where I will be piling up defensive tackles, jerseys and

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Speaker 3: maybe something from my old guy Vince Wilfork, but you

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Speaker 3: know him and not it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be that would be a big jersey.

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Speaker 1: That would be a very big jersey.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I got a big wall that I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have to fill eventually. All Right, it's tongy.

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Speaker 1: I tongy I, Tommy Tungi I really really good play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, probably not a household name, but a really

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Speaker 1: really good player.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna work to make that one here. Patriots three

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Speaker 3: point favorites, forty and a half the total, again showing

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Speaker 3: you that we're anticipating a rock fight all right, we

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Speaker 3: got plenty more to come. We've got the Rams and

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Speaker 3: the Bears. That's the nightcap, and we'll spend our time

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Speaker 3: for the rest of this hour breaking that all down

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Speaker 3: with you.

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: All the coaching stuff and.

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Speaker 3: Everything else will kick to next week as the dance

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Speaker 3: cards start to get filled. Stefanski and Harbaugh the first

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Speaker 3: chess pieces off the board. Still seven remaining. But first

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Speaker 3: let's go over to Isaac Loehenkron, still reeling from that

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Speaker 3: Chargers loss. He was I thought he was gonna be

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Speaker 3: the last voice I was ever gonna hear last week,

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Speaker 3: Greg Cosel, because I was in the mountains. Rough way

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Speaker 3: to go out, coming back from Boise, A rough way

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Speaker 3: to go out, man, as he tried to sool Chargers

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Speaker 3: fans after that one at Isaac Lowancron, Hey.

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Speaker 7: I love I'm actually, for the record, still reeling from

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Speaker 7: the Jacksonville debacle after the twenty one seas Okay, I'm

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Speaker 7: still scheduled to continue reeling on multiple platforms, fellas. Good morning,

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 7: Mike and Greg, and coming up in just a few moments,

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Speaker 7: we've got fresh details on the Broncos bills officiating controversy

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 7: from yesterday. First things first, Broncos quarterback Bone Nicks will

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Speaker 7: miss the rest of the playoffs after breaking a bone

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Speaker 7: in his ankle in overtime of Denver's thirty three to

1350
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Speaker 7: thirty win over Buffalo, So Jared Stidham we'll take over

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Speaker 7: as the Broncos starting quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: The Broncos, of course, won, thanks in part to a

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Speaker 7: controversial overtime interception when j Kwan McMillan tore the ball

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Speaker 7: away from Buffalo's Brandon Cook's referee Carl Sheffers told a

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Speaker 7: Pool reporter Cook's quote was going to the ground as

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Speaker 7: part of the process of the catch and lost possession

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Speaker 7: of the ball. The defender gained possession and is the

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Speaker 7: one that completed the process of the catch unquote. Now,

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Speaker 7: Buffalo head coach Sean McDermott did postgame press conference, got

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Speaker 7: on the team plane and saw the pool report that

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Speaker 7: we just read to you, and from the team plane

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Speaker 7: last night, Sean McDermott took the extraordinary step of calling

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Speaker 7: Jay Skursky of the Buffalo News again from the Bills

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Speaker 7: team plane and saying the following quote, that's a catch

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Speaker 7: all the way, I sat in my locker and I

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Speaker 7: looked at it. Probably twenty times, and nobody can convince

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Speaker 7: me that that ball is not caught and in possession

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Speaker 7: of Buffalo. I just have no idea how the NFL

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Speaker 7: handled it, in particular the way that they did. There

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Speaker 7: is no time spent with the head official going underneath

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Speaker 7: the hood or to the replay booth, right to the monitor.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand how that works. I don't understand how

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Speaker 7: that could be the case when it's such a close play.

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Speaker 7: So basically there is one person ruling on that play,

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Speaker 7: or only New York ruling on that play. I don't

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Speaker 7: agree with that. I don't understand why the head official

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Speaker 7: who is at the game does not get a chance

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Speaker 7: to look at the same thing people in New York

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Speaker 7: are ruling on. Unquote. Last night, Seahawks over the forty

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Speaker 7: nine Ers forty one to six. Also Saturday night, the

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Speaker 7: Atlanta Falcons hired former Cleveland Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 7: as their new head coach.

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Speaker 2: But Fellas, that's the first.

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Speaker 7: Time I can remember a head coach calling a reporter

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Speaker 7: from the team plane about a controversial call. Again, we

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Speaker 7: credit Jay Skersky of the Buffalo News for those comments

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Speaker 7: from Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: Back to you guys, crazy crazy stuff at Isaac Lohencron

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Speaker 3: as we continue here, It's Fox Football Sunday. If you

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Speaker 3: missed any of today's show, catch the podcast search Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts. Right afterwards, Brandon'll

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01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: get that up and it'll be posted. Look for Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Weekends Coach Sell and harmon Fox Football Sunday. Be

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: sure to follow it rated five stars, provide a review,

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Speaker 3: send it to your friends and family, as we can

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Speaker 3: continue our quest for global domination again zerch Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you get your podcast, you'll find today's full show

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Speaker 3: posted right after we get off the air. Naturally, I'm

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Speaker 3: watching a replay of that game as we were talking,

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Speaker 3: and Greg and so many other questions I'd love to

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Speaker 3: sit with film review.

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Speaker 2: I might have to just bring a tray.

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Speaker 3: Of celebration cupcakes at something like this offseason for an

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Speaker 3: extended review of all the chaos that we've seen to

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 2: And we've still got a couple of games left.

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Speaker 3: We just did the Texans and the Patriots, and then,

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Speaker 3: obviously for me, the Cardiac Bears continue their improbable run

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Speaker 3: with a big date against the Rams. Rams a touchdown

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Speaker 3: plus favorite here. Weather gonna feel like zero ish at

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Speaker 3: kickoff and get colder from there, potentially a little bit

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Speaker 3: of snow early in the day before the temperatures start

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Speaker 3: to dip all together again. I'll be in a nice, warm,

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Speaker 3: reclusive space here in southern California.

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Speaker 1: I always wonder about that, you know. I work with

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Speaker 1: Darius Butler on the NFL Matchup Show and I say

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Speaker 1: to I said to Darius, I said, you know, when

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: it gets to be a certain temperature, like, you got

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Speaker 1: to feel that. He goes, oh, yeah, everybody feels it.

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Speaker 1: I mean people act like they don't, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: he says, you feel it. It's freaking cold, he said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so you know it's if it's

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Speaker 1: going to be fifteen below with windshill, no matter even

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01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: if you live in Chicago, you know and you practice there,

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Speaker 1: you're going to feel it. That's cold.

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Speaker 2: No, but that's the thing right as you go through,

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Speaker 2: and you can dismiss it.

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Speaker 3: And look, you can't lean into it because otherwise you're

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Speaker 3: called soft or you're making excuses before you get there,

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01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: or whatever folks want to say. But you know, we're

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Speaker 3: talking about wind. Gus twenty five to thirty miles an hour.

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Speaker 3: And let's face it, like take that Seattle San Francisco

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Speaker 3: game when it's seven nothing, seven seconds into the game.

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Speaker 2: Guess what that next hit hurts a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a little bit more. Yeah, they'll feel it.

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Speaker 1: H But you know, it's interest and you have two

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks obviously with power arms that can their balls can

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Speaker 1: cut through the wind. So it'll it'll be curious to

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Speaker 1: see how it impacts, you know, play calling. You know,

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: one of the things about this game. Obviously we're talking

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Speaker 1: about it now. And I'm not suggesting that the Rams

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: are a phenomenal running football team. I don't think anybody

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: thinks of Kyron Williams or Blake Korum. But they never

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: played together, Mike, so it's either one or the other.

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Speaker 1: And you know they've combined combined to rush for over

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Speaker 1: two thousand yards. And because they're not big playbacks, you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have those breakaway runs where you go wow.

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01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: You know, they're both kind of grinders sustainers. But you know,

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Speaker 1: two thousand yards is a lot of yards. And as

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Speaker 1: I said, they do not play together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be curious to watch out the mix and

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: match there. For the Bears, a couple of key injuries.

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: We'll get to that side of the ball as we continue.

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Speaker 3: We've got one more segment to go on the game.

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01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford the finger injury. But for Caleb Williams and

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01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 3: the Bears, the slow starts, you keep waiting for those

1458
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 3: to catch up, and we watched it that look they

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Speaker 3: take down the Packers, Matt Lafleur is getting an extension

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Speaker 3: and staying on, and certainly Packers fans aren't terribly thrilled

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Speaker 3: about it. Late game decision making going all the way

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Speaker 3: back to giving the ball back to Tom Brady all

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Speaker 3: those years ago, or things that's stick in my crawl

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Speaker 3: as a well non part.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I call what it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Bears guy, but like sometimes there's just football

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Speaker 3: decisions where I'm just raising my hand, going, all right,

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Speaker 3: explain this to me, you know, like I said with

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton, even after the Josh Allen turn over early

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Speaker 3: in the second half, going, you have the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: potentially put the dagger in here. Your defense was playing

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Speaker 3: pretty well at that point. Why are you not going

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: for it? But all of those kind of things that's

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Speaker 3: why they get paid more money than I do, and

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Speaker 3: why Matt Lafleur still has a job.

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Speaker 1: But go, ah, Greg, well, I was gonna say, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think about that stuff when I watch games.

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01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know fans, do you know. Uh, maybe

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm totally crazy, but I always think those guys no

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01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: more than I do.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, but in the moment you're trying to play along,

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: it's like you're playing a board game, right right, it's

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 3: happening in live action, like okay, trying. It's like Tony

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 3: Romo used to try to predict predict the plays, and

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Speaker 3: for a year or two he was pretty good at it.

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01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, he say, wow, it's funny you say that. I

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01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: went to the Sixers Cavs game Friday night. I've been

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: fortunate to get to know the Sixers head coach, Nick Nurse.

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: So I went down to the game, and uh, you know,

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: he got us really good seats, and the guy sitting

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: behind me was just like basically coaching the whole game,

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: just yelling. And I said to my I was there

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: with my son in law, and I said, you know,

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: I think he's in the wrong profession. He obviously should

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: be an NBA head coach, you know.

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Speaker 2: But he just needs a chance, Greg exactly, he needs.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But that's it.

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Speaker 3: We're we're all trying to figure out the chess game

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Speaker 3: and try to addicted and when something happens like does

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Speaker 3: that you know, look, in the end, we all want

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Speaker 3: to be right. Whether we're opinionists here on the radio

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: or a fan sitting at home. It's all about watching

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 3: and second guessing whether it's an officials call or non call,

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 3: the coach and whether he runs the ball or not.

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01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 3: You know, John Harball, why didn't Derek hen receive the

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01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: ball more? All of those things.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's what that's what being a fan is. That's

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: the you know, that's what that's the fun of it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, getting back to Caleb Williams, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously that fourth and seventh play, fourth and eight,

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Speaker 1: I think it was Yeah, it was just ridiculous. Uh

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Speaker 1: but uh, it was an interesting sort of second half

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Speaker 1: because I thought one of the most overlooked things in

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Speaker 1: that game which really helped the Bears was Edgrian Cooper

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01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: going down because Edger and Cooper's lost. To me, that

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01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: was the determining factor in their in their past Russki

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01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: Mannex because he's an excellent blitzer and I've obviously that

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Speaker 1: took him out of the equation for Jeff Haffley Man

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: the Packers, they did not really have a consistent pass

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Speaker 1: rush from their four men d line as the second

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Speaker 1: half progressed. So you know, I thought Cooper being out

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Speaker 1: was really a big overlooked factor in that game.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we will go through the rest of the

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Speaker 3: chess match and what the coordinators are looking at defensively

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 3: as we move forward, some of the injury notes, as

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01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: we go through two huge losses for the Bears last

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 3: week as well that they'll have to navigate on either

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Speaker 3: side of the ball. All of that and more as

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Speaker 3: we wrap things up here, It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. He's great, co Sell and I'm Mike Carmon.

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Speaker 3: extended family here at.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football Sunday. Mike

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 3: Carmonjsell having a blast with you here. Come up in

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 3: ten minutes. You got count Down to kick Off presented

1541
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 3: by bet MGM. You got Bill Bryant and Jeff ready

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 3: to break it all down. Get you ready for the

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 3: National Title game as well. We'll review that one in

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 3: Ernest a week from from now as we get ready

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01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 3: for championship weekend in the NFL.

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01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: But we're talking.

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 3: Bears and Rams, Greg and Ozzie Trapillo's absence a big no.

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Speaker 1: He's out Bears.

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 3: Now Tooney's gonna move to left tackle and a shuffle

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: up of a line that has been pretty set.

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01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: They say that for sure, Tony's gonna play left tackle.

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: I saw that.

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: I saw that yesterday. I gotta go back and make sure.

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01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm I'm nuts.

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: Sure because the other kid's been playing Benedet or Benedett.

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean he's not hurt too, is he. I'm surprised

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: because we saw what happened the last time Toony played

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: left tackle, and that was in the Super Bowl and

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01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: that did not go well. And he's going to be

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: up against shared verse.

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess it's reduced to the consideration and possibility.

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01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 3: But I had seen it and I'm trying to find

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: the source talking. I don't want to get myself truly

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 3: killed by the local Bears folks, but it's one of

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 3: those things that's on the table either way. They need

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01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: to shuffle up for a guy that has been pretty

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Speaker 3: fantastic all year long.

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Speaker 2: And that's the one thing. The Rams front.

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01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 3: Is a difficult proposition, but they can be had in

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01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 3: the back end, which is where Caleb Williams and company

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 3: look to do some damage at Dounza in Company Ready

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 3: for Bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the the whether you want

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: to call it a weakness or just not a strength

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01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: of the Rams defense is their corners and we saw

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: that in the wild card game against the Panthers. And

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: assuming that there's no issues throwing the football or they're

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: they're minimal, I think that the Bears are probably looking

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01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: at that as a way to attack. Now. Again, they

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: have to protect. Although we know Caleb Williams can make

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: plays with his legs and that's we've seen a lot

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: of that, certainly in the second half of games. But

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01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: you have to protect and and they're a good defense

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01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: in their in their front group and in their their

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01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: linebacker group has been very good, but we'll see. You know,

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: Quinton Lake played last week for the first time. He

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 1: struggled a bit, but I think he's a very good player.

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Speaker 1: But you know, that's an area. We'll see how that

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01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: plays out.

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Speaker 3: Had to make sure I wasn't totally insane. It was

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01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 3: Brad Diggs of the Tribune and the score, so it

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01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 3: wasn't just Harmon in a fever dream.

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01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: No, no, and and Brad BIG's been doing this a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty of it. You know, that's going to

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 3: be part of my pregaming later on Hampton and o'bradovich

1597
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 3: to get myself right because if I think everything's right

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 3: with the world, I need them to knock me back

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01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 3: a peg because even if I'm winning, hey, you could

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Speaker 3: have done it better.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the same thing now that they're considering shifting

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01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: Joe Toney to left tackle. That's hey, look they know

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01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: more than we do. But I mean, I just think

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: back to what happened last year in the Super Bowl

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01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: when he was so overmatched in the Super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: you know, like I said that, it's Jared Verse. He's

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: he's a very strong rusher, and you know, if he

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: gets inside of you. And obviously Toney is a guard

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01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: and this is where arm length becomes a factor. I

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: think his arm length is thirty one inches, which is

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Speaker 1: never You know, you don't play left tackle in the

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Speaker 1: NFL with thirty one inch arms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where it gets into the interesting chess match.

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01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 3: How much arm nung guy and Swift ready? Yeah he

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01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: back to chip and how much does that change the

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01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 3: complexion of things because we've.

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 2: Watched great points in the short game, more.

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 3: Efficient second half once they feel like their backs are

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01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 3: to the wall. So even the local politicos are saying, hey,

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01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 3: could you just pretend you're down fourteen enough and to

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 3: start the game.

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Speaker 1: Yet there you go, So wow, that's pretty interesting. And

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Speaker 1: then then just a quick point about the Rams offense.

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna see a lot of Cover two

1625
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: when Cover three from the Bears, that's what they play.

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: The Rams are good at attacking. The key for them

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01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: will be protection as well.

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01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: See how much they can isolate Gordon who struggled in

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: caverage a week ago the chess match. Later on today

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Speaker 2: he's great.

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Speaker 3: Cosell on Mike Harming catch them all week NFL films

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Speaker 3: calling on Thursday, I'll see You Tomorrow Night with Smith

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Speaker 3: on Fox.