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Speaker 1: All right, we are welcomed here on the Colts Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm JJ Stankovitz, joined by Casey Valley, and we are

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Speaker 1: we are joined here on the Colts Audio Network by

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Speaker 1: Jordan Read ESPN NFL Draft Analysts. You can follow him

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jordan underscore Read. That's our ie D. Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking some time with us today

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Speaker 1: here at the Combine, No problem, Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: having me so pleasure being here. So let's start with

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Speaker 1: the quarterback class this year. We've been talking to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people about it. How do you view the

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Speaker 1: top end talent and the depth of this year's quarterback class. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit different than what we have seen

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Speaker 1: in years pass. There's not that quarterback that has just

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Speaker 1: jumped out to us as that quarterback one. And the

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Speaker 1: last three years we've been blessed with really good quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: as far as at the top. Three years ago we

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Speaker 1: had Kyleera Murray, after that we had Joe Burrow, and

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Speaker 1: then this past year we had Trevor Lawrence. This class

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Speaker 1: just doesn't contain that QB one and whenever there isn't

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Speaker 1: that there is to talk about. You're always going to

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Speaker 1: hear the term it sit down or bad quarterback class.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that. I think there's some talented

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Speaker 1: guys in this class. Even though the depth overall isn't

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Speaker 1: great after the first few rounds, there's some talented guys

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with three guys probably going in the first

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Speaker 1: I feel comfortable about all three of those guys going

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Speaker 1: wildcard with North Carolina Sam Howe and then also Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. Now I know this is kind of in

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Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder, but a lot of people

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Speaker 1: talk about these quarterbacks being projects. And let's say those

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a guy that probably translates the

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Speaker 1: because he has over fifty career starts, he had plants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be That's gonna be the thing with him.

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Speaker 1: I was just talking with my colleague Todd Misshag and

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Speaker 1: he was saying that every quarterback that's hit under the

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Speaker 1: only one is Michael Vick back in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: And we know that Michael Vick has some exterior traits

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Speaker 1: that's an interested little nugget to chew on a little

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Speaker 1: bit in a sense. But Kenny, he's talented, but he

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Speaker 1: does have his limitations in a sense. But as far

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Speaker 1: as the intangibles, he's a great leader. Had a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: at the position too. But just the upside, that's something

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Speaker 1: There's always gonna be things to debate. What have you

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Speaker 1: Right now, Neil is about six foot seven, about three

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Speaker 1: That's something that you're gonna hear very frequently about him.

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Speaker 1: He's an offensive tackle from UCLA and he has guard

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