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Speaker 1: It's no disputing that Aaron Rodgers has entered kind of

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's gonna impact the fall. It's just

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Speaker 1: To me, the Jets way bigger issue, Like they know

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Speaker 1: And that's Aaron Rodgers world that we live in. For

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Speaker 1: But he is the least of the Jets Worries said

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Speaker 1: own the team and no, I want to be the

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Speaker 1: GM of the team. I want to be every day

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Speaker 1: with the coaches and the players. And obviously Jerry is

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Speaker 1: probably one of the most legendary executives in the history

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Speaker 1: of sports. Ozzie Newsom is I would say for on

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Speaker 1: the NFL level, you know, probably not far behind him.

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Speaker 1: And what John Elway did forever in Denver, it ended poorly,

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Speaker 1: but I respect the shit out of him for doing that.

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Speaker 1: And same thing with John Lynch. Howie Roseman has to

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Speaker 1: be the GM. This was his desired occupation. John Schneider,

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Speaker 1: this is what these guys wanted to do in their

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Speaker 1: twenties and thirties. Those guys were playing at a Hall

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Speaker 1: of fame, and then as they got older, they missed

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Speaker 1: it so much deep down in their loins they had

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Speaker 1: to get back and be a part of it, and

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Speaker 1: be a part of the grind, because it's really the

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Speaker 1: highs and lows are dictated by the Sunday outcomes or

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, you know, the playoff games, but it's

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Speaker 1: really about the daily just ability to be I don't know,

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Speaker 1: in the mud with the voice. And as we move

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Speaker 1: on and the guys continue to make more and more

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Speaker 1: historic amounts of money, I think we're gonna see less

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Speaker 1: and less of these people doing it because like, who

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Speaker 1: needs that stress in their life? Who does not? Many people?

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Speaker 1: When you got money, why would you want stress in

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Speaker 1: your life? You can avoid it. But some guys that

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Speaker 1: stress and that uncertainty, and ultimately the competition gets them

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Speaker 1: off because the muddy. I mean, Jerry West has been

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Speaker 1: super rich for a long time. John Lynch was rich

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Speaker 1: before he ever came back to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: John Elway was probably worth one hundred million dollars when

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Speaker 1: he accepted to be the GM of the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: They did not need those jobs, did not need them

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Speaker 1: at all. Ryan Goudikins needs the job. Where else is

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Speaker 1: he gonna make three four million dollars? I mean, this

463
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Speaker 1: is this is occupation This was not these guys occupation,

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Speaker 1: but the sport was, and they loved it at the

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Speaker 1: deepest levels. And I've said it forever, having been around

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Speaker 1: Pat Hill and Andy Reid and knowing a bunch of

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Speaker 1: guys that worked for the Patriots forever with Belichick, I

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Speaker 1: don't think the common fan quite understands the addiction these

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Speaker 1: men have to the sport of football, how much it

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Speaker 1: truly means to them. Twenty four to seven, three sixty

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Speaker 1: five thinking about it non stop. It's their life, it's

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Speaker 1: it's equal with their family. Sounds crazy, but I just

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Speaker 1: promise you it is. And Rip Jerry West probably one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest sportsmen to ever live. And I'm a

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Speaker 1: sucker when former great players get involved because I just

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Speaker 1: think we're going to see less and less of that.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, given the financial amounts of money these

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Speaker 1: guys have made a couple other quick stories before we

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Speaker 1: get out of here. Darren Waller retired, He's going to

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Speaker 1: become a rapper. I watched some of his rap song

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Speaker 1: about getting a divorce with Kelsey the girl in the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: It was probably one of the worst songs I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Was a pretty incredible story. When Gruden and Mayock resurrected

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Speaker 1: him clearly a really, really talented player. Ever since he

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Speaker 1: started wanting money, he started getting injured a lot, and

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Speaker 1: he just kind of became irrelevant and the Giants traded

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Speaker 1: a third round pick for him last year he got

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Speaker 1: injured and now his career is over. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just the NFL thinks happened fast. And then Amari Cooper, uh,

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Speaker 1: he's currently holding out, wants a new contract in the

491
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Speaker 1: last year of his deal, making twenty three million dollars,

492
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Speaker 1: probably wants thirty million dollars, and all these wide receivers. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's tough because you're having success like I don't even

494
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Speaker 1: make eighteen nineteen twenty million dollars, these guys making twenty

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Speaker 1: eight thirty thirty four. And you're gonna see this more

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Speaker 1: and more over the next couple of years. These guys

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Speaker 1: that are already on contract extensions going hey guys, uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a little race. And Amari Cooper is

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Speaker 1: the latest. Be interesting to see how he's been good

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Speaker 1: for the Browns. He's had a It's weird, right, he

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Speaker 1: was drafted number four overall and the expectations up at

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Speaker 1: one point, I remember going to Raiders camp his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, is this guy gonna be the next Jerry Rice?

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Speaker 1: In a weird way, it feels like he's underachieved but

505
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Speaker 1: also been a fantastic player. Kind of a bizarre career,

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Speaker 1: partly because the Raiders traded him, then the Cowboys traded him.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at a stats, dude has been

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Speaker 1: good for a long long time. And I think you

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Speaker 1: could argue the Browns are in somewhat of a tight spot.

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Speaker 1: You just give them one of those little three four

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract kickers to make it worth a little more.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out. Okay, let's do a

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Speaker 1: little middle Cooff mailbag. That's where I answer your questions

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle, So just fire

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Speaker 1: into those dms and get a question answered here on

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Speaker 1: this little podcast. This from Chris, longtime listener, first time writer,

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Speaker 1: Hypothetically speaking, if the NFL did a redraft, how many

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks would go off the board before another position. I

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Speaker 1: personally believe it'd be around twenty get picked before a

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Speaker 1: non quarterback. My friends think I'm crazy, So you don't

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Speaker 1: mean necessarily, you don't mean a redraft. You just mean

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Speaker 1: like an expansion draft, every player is available. I think

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent there are five guys in some order going. Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert are going

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Speaker 1: in the first five picks. I would bet fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars on that. I don't know the exact order, but

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Speaker 1: those would be the first five players. Then I think

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Speaker 1: it would be start being debatable, right Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Kyler, Murray,

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Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott's of the world. Would you take

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Speaker 1: all those guys before you took another position? I think

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Speaker 1: that's where the debate would really kick up. Who am

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Speaker 1: I missing? You know, you have this new group of

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Speaker 1: guys that were just draft to Caleb Williams. If we're

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Speaker 1: doing it today, I would add Caleb Williams to that.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's obviously we have no clue

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Speaker 1: if he's as good as those top five guys. But

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Speaker 1: the potential Caleb Williams will get drafted ahead of Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident on that. Again, money not factoring in Aroun.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying draft the player. I think you would

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Speaker 1: have a handful of guys that you would start debating,

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Speaker 1: right if you were in the draft room and like

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Speaker 1: eight quarterback Wint, You're like, do we want Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, you know, Justin Jefferson. To start going around

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Speaker 1: the great players at different positions, some of the great

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Speaker 1: interior defensive linemen, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt. Would I take

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Speaker 1: that guy over Dak Prescott. It's almost like a fantasy draft. Well,

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Speaker 1: who could I get in the second round? Could I

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Speaker 1: get you know, Kirk Cousins in the second round, because

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Speaker 1: I would rather have Kirk Cousins and Micah Parsons then

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and you know whoever? Right Max Crosby. Uh,

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Speaker 1: obviously when you factor in age, Like if Trent Williams

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Speaker 1: was twenty five, I think if I didn't love the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I'd have no problem taking a Trent Williams like player

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Speaker 1: as my first pick. I don't think it would be

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Speaker 1: twenty Stafford's a little older and banged up. Goff. I

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Speaker 1: guess Goff guys like Goff and Dak and Party, they

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Speaker 1: would just go. So maybe maybe the numbers like twelve

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Speaker 1: ish I would say twelve ish. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: getting to twenty, like you're taking Derek Carr over Michaeh

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Speaker 1: Parsons or Nick Bosa. I don't think you could. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think Kyler's a wild card. I think Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: is somewhat of a wild card. Well, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: got a big year coming up. Who am I missing to?

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Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't take to over any sweet defensive player,

565
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Speaker 1: like you're gonna take two over TJ Watt. I'd be

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Speaker 1: like five. I'd be like Jerry West to the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Fire me, I quit, I'm out. It's a good question, though.

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Speaker 1: One thing I'm gonna do this summer going to Tahoe

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Speaker 1: for like a month. I got some good kind of

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Speaker 1: evergreen podcasts that I was thinking of today in the car,

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Speaker 1: and one of them, I'm going to uh do a

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Speaker 1: little coach draft, I think College and pro. Wanted to

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Speaker 1: see if you know who Mike Francessa is. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't fucking live under rock. I talk for a living. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I know who he is, and if so, if you

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Speaker 1: have ever had any sort of interaction or story with him.

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Speaker 1: Being from New York, Francessa was our go to sports

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Speaker 1: guy for decades, and I imagine any listener of yours

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Speaker 1: from the Northeast would know who he is. So wanted

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Speaker 1: to see if you have any familiarity with him, give

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Speaker 1: up the great work. PS me and my buddy crack

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Speaker 1: up find you mentioned atrocious mcglinchy contract. Someone DM me

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00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: like a week ago. It was like, did mclinchy sleep

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Speaker 1: with your girlfriend or hurt your brother? Like, no, he's

585
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Speaker 1: a good guy. I just think he's a pretty overpaid

586
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Speaker 1: paid player. I've never been around or met Francessa, but

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Speaker 1: I have several times when I was on radio, interviewed

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Speaker 1: Chris Russo and talked to Chris Russo for a long

589
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Speaker 1: time at a Super Bowl and he is the coolest.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't really listen to much Francessa. But as

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Speaker 1: someone that has serious XM in his car, as we've

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Speaker 1: known about my bluetooth issues in the Tahoe, I'm a

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Speaker 1: serious XM loyalist and Mad Dog Radio obviously Russo's channel,

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Speaker 1: I would say ten years ago whenever I was in

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Speaker 1: the car and I would stream it. Sometimes it's probably

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Speaker 1: a little too too sporty for me now, that specific show,

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Speaker 1: but early on I loved it. I would consider myself

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Speaker 1: a diehard Chris Russo guy. He entertains the He is

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Speaker 1: exactly what you want in this business, an entertainer. I

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Speaker 1: never understand like, you know who gets really mad a

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Speaker 1: lot of times. You know who used to be very

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00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: envious of sports talk radio people ten fifteen years ago

603
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: and called them lazy were newspaper writers. Well there was

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Speaker 1: a jealousy. You made way more in SportsTalk radio and

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Speaker 1: you were actually, I guess twenty years ago the newspaper

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Speaker 1: was bigger, but obviously sports talk radio really took off

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty plus years, and there was such

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Speaker 1: jealousy because they're like, that's not journalism. No, it's not journalism.

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Speaker 1: This is a business. We're trying to make a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. Our number one goal is to entertain the consumer.

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Speaker 1: That's all anyone that's good at this job cares about.

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Speaker 1: And Russo to me is an all time elite entertainer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't watch first take, but I respect

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Speaker 1: because I've met him a couple of times, steven A

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00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: and he was coolest shit too. Listen. He's not for me,

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00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: but he's obviously Alita's job, and I think him and

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00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Russo they are just special personalities. And I've always said this,

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Speaker 1: like I like to be entertained. If you bore me

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Speaker 1: in sports, I'll stop reading you. I won't listen to you.

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Speaker 1: Like I like to be entertained, I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you're a little off the wall. Sometimes I'm a fucking

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Speaker 1: nut job, right, so I like some off the wall takes,

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Speaker 1: and Russo has him in spades. I think Russo to

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Speaker 1: me if I did Mount Rushmore sports talk radio for me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, in my like my opinion. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: these are actually the greatest, but the influence on me

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Speaker 1: and the people I listened to the most by a

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Speaker 1: country mile would be Colin dan Patrick, Chris Russo and

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Speaker 1: Jim Rome. And honestly, there's probably not even a close fifth.

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Speaker 1: There's not a close fifth. I mean, I started listening

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Speaker 1: to Jim Rome when I was really young. And I

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Speaker 1: think the coolest part about the way the Internet in

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Speaker 1: the world is now how you can just consume anyone

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Speaker 1: you want. You know, I can listen to a guy,

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Speaker 1: I can stream a guy in New York and I

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Speaker 1: started doing this ten years ago. You know before, like

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Speaker 1: you knew about Colin or Dan Patrick because they were

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Speaker 1: on ESPN, but these guys in local markets, you would

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00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: never hear about them. And I remember the first time

640
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: I started listening to Mad Dog, I'm like, Russo, this

641
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: guy is a gem. Now if he's top breaking down

642
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: the French Open, I'm changing the channel. Little too baseball

643
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: heavy for me. I follow baseball, I don't watch it,

644
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: but I know what's going on. I'm not breaking down

645
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: seventh innings and that's listen. I don't blame him for

646
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: doing that when he cut his teeth, talking baseball in

647
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: sports talk radio was huge, and I just think those guys,

648
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I'd never listen to their show, but clearly they're one

649
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: of the all time great chemistry shows. And the thing

650
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: isn't with chemistry with a radio host, like you can't

651
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: really fake it at the highest levels. And like I

652
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: I loved Roussillo and Scott Van Pelt and that they

653
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: were so unique because they were so much younger sounding

654
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: than all these other shows. You know, Collins show was

655
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: always so different, which I like because he talked money

656
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: and business and obviously the analogies, but he didn't sound

657
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: like anyone else and to me, Jim Rohan was just

658
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: so early on it, but he was just very very

659
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: sports meeting potatoes. You know. Dan is just such a

660
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: great interviewer, and Russo is just out of left field.

661
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm a huge Russo guy. I like a

662
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: little crazy in my sports stock analysts like I like,

663
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm not looking. I hate it when people, especially when

664
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: former players get in. I'm here to educate, bro, this

665
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: ain't chemistry. I'm not looking to get a fucking education.

666
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to laugh, tried to have fun. I'm pissed off.

667
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: I just lost a thousand dollars on the game. I

668
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: want you, I want you to talk a little, you

669
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: know what, Like this ain't education, This isn't Spanish three.

670
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: No one's trying to get educated. This is all entertainment.

671
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: And I think no one figured that out faster, you know,

672
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: I think why audio started lapping the written word. Obviously

673
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: society changed, but a lot of big jay journalists, you know,

674
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: they're they're just very stuck in their ways. And I

675
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: think when you start working in radio, and this has

676
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: really benefited me being in podcasts, is when you're meeting

677
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: with your employee, you know your bosses and the people

678
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: that matter. It's always about money. It's like, are we

679
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: doing well enough? Are we generating enough sales? Are we

680
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: doing well enough with revenue? Your job is to generate revenue.

681
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: It's honestly, this is a sales job. That's what this is.

682
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: And the ads happen to be what we're selling. And

683
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: the bigger your audience is, the more money you make.

684
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: But the reason Colin and Dan and now Portnoy and

685
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, the Pat McAfee like they can sell and

686
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: they're selling themselves. And that's why a lot of journalists

687
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: have gotten really bitter over last decade. It's like, hey, guys,

688
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: this is all a business. The newspapers. Do you know

689
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: what that was? That was ad distribution. That's what that

690
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: paper was filled with articles written by you guys. But

691
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: the reason they've been cutting for twenty years is less

692
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: and less of us are reading them. And it's why

693
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: I feel very fortunate to be in this medium where

694
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: audio is as strong as ever and it's only gonna

695
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: get stronger. So obviously changed radio and streaming and podcasts,

696
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: but it's it. You have a unique relationship when you

697
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: listen to someone very closely, and I found this out.

698
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Just meeting some of you guys out and about, you

699
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like you know the guy really well. And I

700
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: felt like that when I met Chris Russo. It's like, God,

701
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: I've been listening to this guy for like ten years,

702
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: or the first time I met Collin It's like, God,

703
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I've been listening to this guy since I was like

704
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. You know, I've never met Dan Patrick.

705
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: But you just get to feel like you know the guy.

706
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: It's why, you know, in the history of the business,

707
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: the Howard Stearns, the rush Limbaughs, I mean, Mike and Mike.

708
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about people twenty years ago making

709
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar because of the power of the business.

710
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: And Russo, like I said, I think even if you

711
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: don't like have a different opinion, I think he's very

712
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: It would probably be the two of them, but would

713
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: be on the Mount Rushmore radio for sure. It's funny

714
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: when I hear people talk about like I still listen

715
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: to my radio from where I grew up, Like I don't.

716
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't at all. Maybe it's just not that good.

717
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: I used to work in the area. But you know,

718
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: depending on where you live, you know, Philly's always had

719
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: great sports stock radio. Same with New York, same with Boston.

720
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: I think on the West Coast it's just podcast you know,

721
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of a little more progressive area in the

722
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: sense of more I would say on per capita and

723
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: more people were working from home, change the game. I

724
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: think podcasts more than the East Coast has destroyed West

725
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Coast radio. Just a question for the pod, love listening.

726
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: What are your expectations for the Rams this season and

727
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: how long do you think their window to win Super

728
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Bowl is. I think expectation is to compete, to win

729
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: the division and to be a Super Bowl contender. I mean,

730
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: if Stafford's healthy all season, I don't see why they

731
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: can't win eleven twelve games and be in the hunt

732
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: in the NFC them San Francisco, Lions, Green Bay, Philly.

733
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty clear who the big

734
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: dogs are, you know, I don't think there are many

735
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: wild cards in the NFC. Ben, listen to your pod

736
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: for about three years and I like it. Love hearing

737
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: your insights. Keep up the great work. Question for the pod.

738
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: Appreciate the nice words.

739
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: Aaron.

740
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: What are your opinions on the Seattle GM John Schneider

741
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: where do you rank him and what would it mean

742
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: for his career if this upcoming season with all the

743
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: coaching changes turns out to be a success, meaning being

744
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: a team that competes for a wildcard spot. I think

745
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: John Schneider is easily one of the better gms in

746
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: the league. I don't know him personally, I know a

747
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: lot of people that are very close to him. I

748
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: thought that when I worked in the league. I thought

749
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: that when I worked in radio in the Bay Area

750
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: and seen as you know, the Richard Sherman teams. I've

751
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: thought that over the last three or four years as

752
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: they've transitioned out of Russell Wilson. Now he's made bad moves,

753
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: but I do believe that Pete Carroll has like I

754
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: think I put Jamal Adams on Pete Carroll. I'm not

755
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: saying John Schneider didn't like him or wasn't on board,

756
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that move happens if the

757
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: front office is in charge. Pete was and that's a debacle,

758
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: but what he did to the Denver Broncos is an

759
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: all time policing. Now, obviously Pete was involved in that too,

760
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: but he gets credit. You know, they always say by

761
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: low Sell High. He got Russell Wilson and he was

762
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: the reason pounded the table because Pete Carroll and he

763
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: told him, he said, Pete, when you meet this guy

764
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: in person, you're gonna be like, wait, this is the

765
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: quarterback because he was really short. And Pete, if you

766
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: ever looked at his USC teams, they were massive. Liner's huge.

767
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: The team was enormous. Hell the Seattle was huge, the

768
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: guys they had on that team, and he sold Pete

769
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: on it. So he bought It's like he bought in

770
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Navidiot like a hundred bucks and then he sold Russell

771
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: Wilson for a premium and be like selling the video

772
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: right now. That alone is an all time move. And

773
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: then I've really thought these last couple of years, their

774
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: team's been really talented, a ton of really good guys

775
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: on offense. Draft d Can the second round, Jackson Smith

776
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: in the first round, the running back Walker from Michigan

777
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: State stud Drafting the offensive lineman when they pivoted from

778
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Russ defense has been a little hit or miss, but

779
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: now they might have a better defensive coach in twenty

780
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: twenty four. Obviously, Pete's one of the greatest defensive coaches

781
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: in the History League. I don't know where exactly he ranks,

782
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: but I think he's definitely, I mean, no doubt about it,

783
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: top ten GM in the league and just one of

784
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the more talented guys in the position over the last

785
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: couple decades. People love them. People love the guy in

786
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: the business. I've never heard a bad word about the guy,

787
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: and we all know the longer you do something in

788
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: an industry, especially a highly competitive industry, it's hard to

789
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: not like, Eh, the guy's kind of a shady character,

790
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: or God, he fucked me on that one. People like him.

791
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the content every week. You have

792
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: made me a better husband because I look forward to

793
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: doing all the chores around the house. Just put my

794
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: AirPods in and listen to some pods while doing the dishes.

795
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: You know what's funny because sometimes we do this too,

796
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: Like she'll be out watering, I'll be doing something the

797
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: else we both have air pods in. Is it pretty

798
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: normal for couples nowadays to be in their own home

799
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: both having air pods in. Listen to something. You've got

800
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: a little true crime, I got a little golf podcast.

801
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: And then when you need something, you're like, hey, hey, Maria,

802
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: and then she kind of hear yet hey, and you're

803
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: just kind of yelling at each other. When I grew up,

804
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: you just screamed at everyone was just sitting right there.

805
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: You had nothing to do, right, so it's like you're

806
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: doing the dishes. You're just looking at your parents. They're

807
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: staring at you, mad because you screwed something up, got

808
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: yelled at because school called and said that you were

809
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: late to three classes. Now everyone's just got their AirPods

810
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: in twenty four to seven, three sixty five definitely makes

811
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: h I even take sometimes my phone to the shower,

812
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: put it on the ledge where it's not gonna get wet,

813
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: and just play a podcast. I think I'm an audio addict.

814
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: I consume a lot of audio from book on tapes

815
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: to just have YouTube audio going in the back, or

816
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: podcasts just a lot. I just constantly need audio in

817
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: the back. Being that I'm a diehard Trojan fan. I

818
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: followed this guy a lot the past three years. It

819
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: seems very unlikely that he turns into a bust in

820
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: your opinion, what is his floor? Oh? My question is

821
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: about Caleb. I would say his floor. I'm trying to

822
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: think of like a talented, physical player. It's a little shorter.

823
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: I think his floor would be like some of the

824
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: versions we saw of Russell Wilson, you know, when the

825
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: LB changed and he kind of became this scramble around

826
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: make deep throws. But I think he's much more talented

827
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: than Russ. He's bigger, he's probably not as fast. I mean,

828
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: he's not slow. Maybe maybe they are actually similar athletes.

829
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: That sounds crazy, but I'd go Russell Wilson Seattle because

830
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: you could. You couldn't say, like, I mean, his floor's

831
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: not like Josh Allen, Right, that's a that's an incredibly

832
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: high floor, but his floor is not like some scrub

833
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be like like Jimmy Garoppolo won a lot,

834
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: but Caleb's floor should be higher. And he's never gonna

835
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: play like that, like you look at like the Jimmy Garoppolo,

836
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: the Derek Carrs like that type play. Caleb's not gonna

837
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: look like that in the NFL because that's just not

838
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: his style. So I think his floor does sound pretty high,

839
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: but I can't really think of I think it's Flora's

840
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: incredibly high. I think it would be stunning if he's

841
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: not really good, and if he's not really good, it's

842
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: because ultimately, like you see Bryce Young in a game

843
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: like I, if he's not good, you understand it because

844
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: he's tiny. You know, Trevor Lawrence, you watch him and

845
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: you go, okay, have a lot of hype, but you're like,

846
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: what does he do? Great? But even he he's not

847
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: living up to the hype. But he's still better in

848
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: half the league. So it's just he's not living up

849
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: to the hype because people thought he was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a top five quarterback and said he's like fourteenth, right,

851
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I think Caleb is better if he becomes Trevor Lawrence.

852
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Speaker 1: It's like underwhelmed for the hype. I still think he's

853
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Speaker 1: probably a better version of that. I guess that's a

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Speaker 1: long winded way of saying that. I mean, and I've

855
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Speaker 1: actually tried to pump the brakes on it a rookie

856
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Speaker 1: season because I think we go overboard. Every rookie's just

857
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna be CJ. Stroud and we know that doesn't happen.

858
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: We know how hard it is you can go on

859
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Speaker 1: to be a legend. And just Peyton Manning, Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys just you watch the rookie season,

861
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Speaker 1: Andrew Lucke was an outlier as a rookie. He was

862
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Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Most rookies are up and down, and

863
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Speaker 1: a lot more down than up. So even if they

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Speaker 1: go eight to nine and he throws twenty four touchdowns

865
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Speaker 1: and fourteen picks, it's like, I bet he has moments

866
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Speaker 1: throughout the year where you're like, oh my, this guy

867
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Speaker 1: could be truly special. And part of being truly special

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Speaker 1: is dependent that this is not basketball where it's kind

869
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Speaker 1: of on you. It's really kind of on you, like

870
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Speaker 1: can you become a star or not. It's usually not

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Speaker 1: the coach that makes you star, it's the player. Like

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00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan well before Phil Jackson never

873
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: showed up. Steph Curry was pretty freaking good before Steve

874
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Speaker 1: Kerr ever arrived. So in football, like Mahomes was gonna

875
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: be good no matter what. I think. We can all

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that. But is he this without Andy Reid? Tom

877
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: Brady said over and over like we needed each other.

878
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Who your coaches really really matters? Zebra flues good enough?

879
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: And if he's not, if they missed the playoffs and

880
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: fired him after this season, like well, who do they

881
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: bring in would they hire like Mike Vrabel Is Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrabel good for a quarterback? Ben Johnson doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: he ever wants to leave. Ever, who's the next like

884
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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan Sean McVay. Does that guy exist because to

885
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Speaker 1: be good? I would argue Peyton Manning is the only

886
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Speaker 1: guy who's after a while, didn't even mat Like Tony Dennis.

887
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm running the offense, buddy me and the old line

888
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: coach Tom Moore and Howard Mudd, like Statut Sad we

889
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: run the offense. That's usually not the way it works.

890
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: And he read runs the offense right. Belichick ran the team.

891
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Speaker 1: Manning's an all time outlier where I remember hearing stories

892
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Speaker 1: when I was in the NFL. He'd be walking out

893
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: to practice and he'd ask for the practice script from

894
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator and he asked for a red pen

895
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: and he'd go through and make changes before practice started

896
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: on the field. That ain't normal. Usually you need help,

897
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Speaker 1: And I think Caleb's gonna need help. And maybe it's

898
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Speaker 1: Shane Waldron. Maybe it's after everyone gets fired. They nail it.

899
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Speaker 1: But if you don't like it, can you can be

900
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: in the Wilderness. Read the Steve Young book. It was

901
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: pretty ugly, I mean really ugly until Bill Walls traded

902
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: for him from Tampa Bay. Now Tampa in the mid

903
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: eighties was I mean worse than any team in the

904
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Speaker 1: league right now. I mean they were a joke. But

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Speaker 1: you go to Bill Walls here rise, you start winning

906
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: MVPs and become a legend. As Patrick Mahomes would just

907
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: like to get drafted by Andy Reid. It's gotta be

908
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: just I can't even imagine how often he thinks how

909
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: lucky he is, like he knows it. He knows it

910
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: because he's very, very lucky, and he's also deserving, like

911
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: he controls a lot of his own destiny. But if

912
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Speaker 1: your coach sucks, I don't know, you just never know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to shit on Eberflus here, but a

914
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Speaker 1: lot of people just acting like the Bears are gonna

915
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: be sweet, Like, I don't know, man, are we sure

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Speaker 1: they're coaching staffs any good? The volume