1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Joe is presented to you by Fox One. It's Monday, 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: October twentieth, twenty twenty five. I'm watching the Dodgers just 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: pulverize the Brewers on Friday Night, sweeping them in the NLCS, 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: sitting on my couch, and I'm thinking to myself, the 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Phillies versus the Dodgers, that was the world series. Tell 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. It's time for the park's first Pitch. 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: First Pitch is brought to us exclusively by our partners 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: at Parks Casino, Pennsylvania's number one casino. Tell me I'm wrong, guys, 9 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Phillies Dodgers. I'm watching the Alcs and I'm saying I 10 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: don't think either of those two teams are better than 11 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the Phillies. Do you feel better about the Phillies now 12 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: watching the Dodgers just steamroll over everybody? Or are we 13 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: still saying blow it up? 14 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: I don't feel any better that they lost, and to 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: say that, I believe is a loser's lament. The Phillies 16 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: were beaten, and at times they beat themselves in that 17 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: Dodgers series, giving away a three to nothing leading Game one, 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: the crucial Game one in a five game series. But 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: I think you can make a case they were the 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: two best teams in baseball, and the Dodgers were better 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: and they beat the Phillies. So I don't really find 22 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: a lot of solace in the fact that the Phillies 23 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: were knocked out by the best team in baseball. In fact, 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: it makes you a little angry that they played so poorly, 25 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: gave away a leading game one. We're fundamentally poor and 26 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: ended up on the outside looking in. 27 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I stand. 28 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have a I don't have a very 29 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: dissimilar viewpoint on this thing. It's just frustrating that they 30 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: couldn't play the kind of baseball necessary to get the 31 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: big hit, make the big pitch that was necessary to 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: win that series. And you know, I do think. I 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: do think that at some point there's going to be 34 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: a seating and I think they're probably going to be 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 4: thinking about some of this stuff moving forward, as far 36 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: as seeding the playoffs. In your next basic agreement, you 37 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: might see some things where you have the right matchups, somehow, 38 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: some way, at the right time. The NLCS should have 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: been a Dodger than Phillies. It's as simple as that. 40 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: For me, but that's not how it works sometimes. And 41 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: the Phillies got beat, didn't play their best baseball and 42 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: made some mistakes and couldn't get past the mighty Dodgers. 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really was though. I was watching that game 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: on Friday night and oh, Tani, we're gonna get to 45 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: his game a little bit on Friday night. Three homer game, 46 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, God, the Phillies had a two to 47 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: nothing lead in the sixth inning in Game one, they 48 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: had the time run on second base with no outs 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: in the ninth inning. In Game two, they had opportunities. 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Obviously they won Game three, Game four. Couple things go 51 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: here or there. It's just it's just crazy you think 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: back to those little, tiny moments. But you know, the 53 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: Brewers scored four runs against the Dodgers pitching staff and 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: that entire NLCS, And I'd found this story on MLB 55 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: dot com about how dominant the Dodgers pitching is the Brewer. 56 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: The Brewers in the NLCS against the Dodgers batted one eighteen. 57 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: It's the lowest in a series of at least three 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: games in post season history. Wow, Milwaukee Talley just fourteen 59 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: hits and one hundred nineteen at bats over the four games. 60 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: And you know, they really flipped the script with the 61 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: with the starting pitching. Remember last year they were like 62 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: opening and opening their way to the World Series. They 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: almost seventy percent of their innings in this postseason have 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: been used by Dodgers starting pitchers, so and then, and 65 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: they average this postseason has been about forty five percent 66 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: of all the other teams in the postseason, Philly's over fifteen. 67 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 4: The Dodgers realized that they did not have the starting 68 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: pitching that was really necessary to carry them, and they 69 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: had to scramble last year and they just were out 70 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 4: talented teams at the end of the year to win 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 4: the World Series. 72 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: And this year. 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 5: They decided, you know what, we're signing all of the starters, every. 74 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: Starter we can possibly get. In the reason why they started, 75 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: you know, did what they did with Otani, did what 76 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: they did with the glass Now, et cetera, et cetera, Yamamoto, 77 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 4: the whole nine yards Sosaki. They they got them all 78 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: and they knew that they were was a deficiency they had, 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: and they handled it. 80 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: And they prioritized getting them healthy throughout the regular season. 81 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: It doesn't it. 82 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: Never seems like they put the pedal to the medal 83 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: in the regular season, which can be dangerous because you 84 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: know the old cliche you can't flip the switch, but gosh, 85 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: they've they flipped the switch. I mean, just look at Snell. 86 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: Look at Snell pitching the best baseball of his career. 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: The criticism against him was, you know, he threw a 88 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: lot of pitches, didn't go deep into games. He's kind 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: of rectifying that. And I wrote down some numbers about 90 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 2: their starting pitching. In the four games against Milwaukee, twenty 91 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: eight to two thirds innings, they gave up nine hits, 92 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: two runs, and they struck out thirty five. So and 93 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: that's the Milwaukee Brewers, the team with not saying them 94 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: the best team in the nationally, but they had the 95 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: most wins in the National League. They they I don't 96 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: think the best team naturally, but by no means are 97 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: they pushover and the Dodgers just ground them up. 98 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Well, they're the team that everybody talked about, like that's 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: the way you got to play nowadays. Put the ball 100 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: in play, pass the baton and and that's kind of 101 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: what they did all season long. And then it just 102 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: tells you you have great starting pitching or just great 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: pitching in general, and it's damn near impossible, damn near 104 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: impossible to hit. 105 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: But you know what else I. 106 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: Was thinking too, is one of you guys made this 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: point last week in terms of the Dodgers loading up 108 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: on starting pitching, is that was kind of what the 109 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Phillies were hoping they could do before Zach Wheeler got hurt. 110 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: We had how many weeks and months were we sitting there, 111 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: going Who's going to go in the bullpen in the postseason? 112 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: It's going to be Lozardo? Is it going to be Suarez? 113 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: And obviously they couldn't. They couldn't get to that point 114 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: really because of because of Wheeler's injury. But gosh, you 115 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: you have Sasaki back there and really really just unbelievable. 116 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: So good Ye're looking good. 117 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: Looking good? 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Three bombs, strikes out ten, 153 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: strikes out the side in the top of the first inning, 154 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: and then it hits a leadoff homer in the bottom 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: with the first thing. Oh, that that was pretty cool. 156 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. And then he crushes one out 157 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: of the ballpark in the fourth inning, four hundred and 158 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: sixty nine feet, and then he crushes a third homer, 159 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: becomes the twelfth player with a three homer game in 160 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the postseason, first pitcher to ever do that. No picture 161 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: has ever hit two home runs in the game in 162 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: the postseason. So sho, hey Otani. And it got me 163 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: thinking of, like, I've never seen obviously in person anything 164 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: like that, But it got me thinking about the best 165 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: performances I've ever seen in person in my life at 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: the ballpark. What comes to mind when you, guys, think 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: of the best live performance not watching it on TV, 168 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: that you've ever seen. What jumps to mind for you guys, 169 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: all right. 170 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: Jim the best not watching on TV? Huh. 171 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say guns n' Roses at the 172 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: MTV Music Awards in nineteen ninety two November Rain, but 173 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: I only saw that on TV. So I have a 174 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: few of them. Obviously, some of them we share. You know, 175 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: Doc's perfect game in Miami. Ruben was there. I was there, Todd, 176 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: you were there, right. 177 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: I was not. 178 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: I was there for the no hitter, the no hitter 179 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: against the Reds. We were all there. That was amazing 180 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: playoff no hitter. 181 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: So those two and two of the ones that really 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: jump out for me games that I was at, games 183 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: that I actually covered. Nineteen ninety six World Series. Andy Pettitt. 184 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: He gets lit up in Game one for the Yankees, 185 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: and the Braves go out win the first two games 186 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: in Yankee Stadium. Yankees go down to Atlanta win three 187 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: in a row, setting them up to come back to 188 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: Yankee Stadium and win Game six, win the World Series. 189 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: But Game five, it was a rematch of Game one. 190 00:10:54,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: Pettit and John Smoltz, they were both unbelievable. I had 191 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: a like eight shutout and Yankees ended up winning that 192 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: Game one. Nothing Smoltz gave up an underrun run. Just 193 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: those two guys just going against each other, but the 194 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: way Pettitt just battled that game and rebounded from Game one. Pitches, 195 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: you know, basically him in Wetland combined for a shutout 196 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: to get him to Game six. That's a performance I 197 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: will always remember. And another one in old Yankee Stadium 198 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: two thousand and three World Series, the upstart Miami Marlins 199 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: or Florida Marlins in those days beat the Yankees in uh, 200 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: I guess it was six games and twenty three year 201 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: old Josh Beckett. I mean he was like Nolan Ryan. 202 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: He had he had big stuff, He had a big personality. 203 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: He had bravado and cockiness, and he backed it all up. 204 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: And Jack McKeon, you know, Trader Jack was the manager 205 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: and he wasn't screwing around. He pitches a twenty three 206 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: year old kid on three days rest in Game six 207 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: and Beckett goes out there nine innings, five hits, no runs, 208 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: two walks, nine strikeouts, and Florida Marlins won the World 209 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: Series on his back three days rest, even made the 210 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: final put out of the game. It was an incredible 211 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: performance by Josh Beckett. So and that Yankees team had 212 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: so much thunder in it and he. 213 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: Just hog tied him. 214 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: So that was a big memorable one that I was 215 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: there for. 216 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: Those are a few. 217 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have to say the Halliday no hitter 218 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, first time he ever, you know, pitched 219 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, is what the dream that he had 220 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 4: and the reason why he became a Philadelphia Philly and 221 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: so that that was a real emotional one. Obviously, the 222 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: home run by by Stairs, that game was an amazing 223 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: game when they were played him in an NLCS. 224 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: The other just a just to name a couple of 225 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 5: other ones. 226 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 4: You know, when Jimmy Rowlands hit that double or triple 227 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: or whatever to drive in again it was boxing both times. Yeah, 228 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: that was that was huge as well. It was one 229 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: of the most exciting games. I'll never forget myself, jumping 230 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 4: on top of the jumping on top of the counter 231 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: and running running along with Chewcho as he's sliding home. 232 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: Pretty amazing moment for me. 233 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 5: But every time there was a matchup. 234 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: Between Steve Carlton and at the time was a Montreal 235 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: with Montreal the right hander. 236 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: Named Steve Rogers. 237 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: Those guys seemed to match up like thirty times, and 238 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: I was a bat boy watching these two guys work. 239 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 5: It was inevitably a two to one or one nothing 240 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 5: game almost every single time. And to watch these two 241 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 5: guys bitch was one of the more fascinating things. It 242 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: was the one thing that made me. 243 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: Fall in love with like pitching and how dominant it 244 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: can be. Just watching those two guys go at it 245 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: for years and I got to watch it at the 246 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: ground level. That was as a kid fifteen, sixteen, seventeen 247 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: years old. One more thing I will mention the battle 248 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: between Nolan Ryan and Pete Rose. I think Pete was 249 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: trying to get his like break a record at the time. 250 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: It was just before or just after they had that 251 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: break in nineteen eighty one. I think there was a 252 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 4: split season and there was a big battle between Nolan. 253 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: Ryan was pitching at the time for Houston I believe 254 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: yes had to be Houston, and he was just firing 255 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: pellets and he basically said, Okay, Pete, you're gonna get 256 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: that record time or record breaking hit. Good luck hitting 257 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: my five thousand mile an hour fastball basically blew him away, 258 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: and Pete Rose after the last time he struck him 259 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: out he struck him out two or three times that day. 260 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: Pete Rose took off his helmet he had one of 261 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: those half helmets, you know, and tipped it right to 262 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: him and said congratulations and walked back. You back into 263 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: the dugout, and I was sitting there, kneeling on the 264 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 4: towel down at the vet watching this happen. It was 265 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. One 266 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: last thing, any game in the NLCS. In nineteen eighty, 267 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: Houston Versus the release the most amazing NLCS in the 268 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: history of the game by far, most drama, most huge hits, 269 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: most crazy plays, no doubt. And so I know that 270 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: was just one, but that was about ten. 271 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: I just mentioned fun and those are all great. 272 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: A good eighty NLCS. I feel like it's one those 273 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: underrated and it shouldn't be an LCS, Like, in other words, 274 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: if it was if that, if that exact series had 275 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: involved the Yankees and the Red Sox or something like that, 276 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: everybody eighty eighty a LCS that was the best of 277 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: all time because it was the Phillies and the Astros 278 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: not doesn't get nearly enough attention. But there was a 279 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: lot of drama. Yeah, for me, for sure, Hallidays postseason 280 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: no hitter comes to mind in you know, individual performance. 281 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I always think about Cole Hammill's no hitter in his 282 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: final start with the Phillies, just because it's just like, 283 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? This guy's about to get traded? 284 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: This is he goes into that start, this might be 285 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: the last time I ever pitched for the Phillies. And 286 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: he goes out and fires a no hitter against a 287 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: very talented Cubs team that was one year away from 288 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: winning the World Series. And and you know Schwarber was 289 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: on that team, you know, Pete, Chris Bryant and all 290 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: those guys, right, I mean they were all on that squad. 291 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: So that was absolutely incredible and it didn't go the 292 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Phillies way, of course, But Game five of the twenty 293 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: eleven NLDS Chris Carpenter going toe to toe with his 294 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: best friend, Royal Halliday, I mean, that was that. That 295 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: is an all time, you know, all time performance by 296 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: two just incredible pictures. So those that was that was unbelievable, and. 297 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: There's so much emotion on that night. I remember walking 298 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: into that clubhouse and seeing Doc. He was distraught and 299 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: absolutely distraught with his head buried in the locker, and 300 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: big bulletproof Ryan Howard like a superman is hobbling around 301 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: on crutches, and Victorino tears up his World Series tickets 302 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: and drops him in the in the waste basket. It 303 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: was just an unbelievable night. 304 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I remember, I remember talking to I 305 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: think it was chasing. He remembers walking back into the 306 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: clubhouse and Roy was in that back hallway just kind 307 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: of sitting on the ground just before he went into 308 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: the clubhouse and then just sat in front of his 309 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: locker for about twenty minutes, I mean, just instill in 310 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: full uniform. Guys, some guys are already changed and left 311 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: or were leaving, but Roy was still in full uniform, 312 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: just utterly depressed, defeated. And yeah, that's that's one I'll 313 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. 314 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 4: So his fault one is vault. 315 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: No, that was not not even close, not even close. 316 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, thought he thought thrown shutout. See that's the 317 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: problem right first inning, and they probably could have had 318 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: we hit the cutoff man. 319 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 3: Cut off Yep, that turned that ball into it. 320 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: You know you did not. 321 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: Missed the cutoff man for sure, and you know Roy 322 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: Roy absolutely finished that game thinking I should have thrown 323 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: a shutout for sure, you're right. 324 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 3: And then. 325 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: Eva's one more breath of wind in that ball of 326 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: Banya's hits might be out, and on good legs chases 327 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: ball right, he backed up the center field and right 328 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: to the wall on. 329 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: Good legs, that might have been. 330 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: It's just just so many little things that can change 331 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 2: a ball game in the sport. 332 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 333 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like the NLDS this year thinking about those 334 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: little moments. 335 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 4: You know. 336 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: That was Manco and Manco first pitch. 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So last week Jim floated this idea, We're 367 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: just we were just kind of spitball. We can call 368 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: it spitball. And Jim says, hey, uh, you know what 369 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: what about uh Aiden Miller and Justin Crawford. Maybe kick 370 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: the tires with the Tigers a little bit on Terrek 371 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: Scooble And uh. Some people love the idea. Some people say, hey, Jimmy, 372 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: pump those breaks. 373 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 3: Bud Well, I don't even know that. 374 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't know I'm starting pitching, Jim, I don't. 375 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: Even know that. I love the idea. 376 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: I you know, Oh, Jim be bold. 377 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not bold, but I will tell you this. I mean, 378 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm wrong, But these are the conversations 379 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: that the Phillies are having right now in their front 380 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: office as they talk about what they're going to do 381 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: this offseason. What do we anybody have any crazy ideas? 382 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: Anybody have anything nuts? How about we take a run 383 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: at Terrek Scuoble. Well, how do you think that would work? 384 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: Right? 385 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 386 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Ruben would Ruben would be all over that, right, that 387 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: would be yeah? Yes, some people. Some people loved it. 388 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: Some people some people said, we got to focus on 389 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: this offense, you know, that's what That's what hurt us. 390 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: But I was thinking about it, Jim over the weekend. 391 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I think about the show a lotto over the weekend. 392 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking about a lot, But think about this, Okay, 393 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: Trek Scuble or any starting pitcher. In regards to the 394 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Phillies rotation, Ah, this Phillies rotation is super strong. You 395 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: get Christopher Sanchez, You've got Jesus Lozardo. They were great 396 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: this postseason, great this postseason. Now they're probably going to 397 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: lose Rangers Suarez probably, And then you look at the 398 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: rest of the rotation. Zach Wheeler coming off surgery. You 399 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: don't know when he's going to be back. You don't 400 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: know what he's going to be like when he comes back. 401 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Is he going to be cy young Zach Wheeler? Everybody hope. 402 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: So we don't know. Aaron Nola coming off the worst 403 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: year of his career. He looked great in Game four, 404 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: our Game three for three innings. What's he going to 405 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: be like next year? We don't know. Andrew Painter, is 406 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: he going to make the rotation coming out of camp? Maybe? 407 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: Probably? 408 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: What's he going to be like? He wasn't setting the 409 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: world on fire and Triple A to the point where 410 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: they decided we're not going to promote this guy after 411 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: a lot of talk that July ish, we would maybe 412 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: think about the Phillers is thing, Maybe we think about 413 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: bringing him up, Taiwan Walker coming in fourth year of 414 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: a seventy two million dollar deal. So it's not like 415 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: you look at this rotation right now and go, why 416 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: would we even think about addressing starting pitching? I don't know. 417 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: Well, it's the most important element on a team. You 418 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: never can have enough of it. That's one reason why 419 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: you have the conversation. And that guy is, you know, 420 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: a mega talent, that's another reason you talk about it. 421 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: And it would maybe help. 422 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: You build a with the clock ticking here on this nucleus, 423 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: it would help you build a really difficult staff to 424 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: contend with in October. So those are all reasons you'd 425 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: have to talk about it. You know, I don't know 426 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: that I would pull the trigger, but it's certainly interesting 427 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: to talk about building a mega you know, earth crushing 428 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: rotation and if it stays healthy, you know, riding. 429 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: That through October. Those are all reasons to discuss it. 430 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there may be another opportunity with Paralta being 431 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 4: out on the block at some point because Milwaukee Brewers 432 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 4: aren't going to they don't want to pay, and they 433 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: want to try to maximize, you know, their assets, and 434 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: that's typically what they do. Don't be surprised by Paralta 435 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 4: getting bounced where so they'll be thinking about that as well. 436 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: Hey man, I'm all about the starting pitching all the time, 437 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 4: every time, every single time until the cows come home. 438 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: I mean, look what the Dodgers are doing right. 439 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: Now, So. 440 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: I would entertain the discussion. I know it's just for 441 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: one year, right schoogles one year and then a free agent, 442 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 4: but I try to do it and sign him and 443 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: see where it goes. 444 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: And I think Dave is of your he's the starting 445 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: pitching guy too, Dombrowski, I mean, yeah, there wasn't you know, 446 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 2: we a big need to upgrade the starting rotation last year, 447 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: but they won't get Lozardo. In twenty twenty four trade deadline, 448 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: everybody who's focused was right handed back bullpen and all 449 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: of a sudden he's in deep on Garrett Crochet makes 450 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: a big offer and makes the White Sox have to 451 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: think about it, to the point where some people still 452 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: can't believe the White Sox didn't take the deal. 453 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: So this is the guy that's always. 454 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: Gonna, you know, prioritized starting pitching, even when it might 455 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: look like he doesn't need. 456 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: It, right, I mean, even if you know, again we're 457 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: just just talking. Even if Scooble doesn't come into play, 458 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: there are other free agent pitchers out there that could 459 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: be available that maybe you think about to bolster the rotation. 460 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: If you're worried about Nola, if you're worried about Wheeler, 461 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: if you're not sure what you're gonna get a out 462 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: of Andrew Painter, you know, we know what kind of 463 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: Taiwan Walker is. I mean, there's other free agent pitchers 464 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: in the market looking at some of the names, and 465 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of them are going to be expensive. So 466 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: if you're not going to resign Ranger Squarez, you're probably 467 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: not going to sign probably not going to sign Dylan 468 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: Ceese from Bervaldez. I don't know if he'd want him anyway, 469 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: based off of him throwing a ball at his catcher's 470 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: head the regular season. You know, Jack flaghery, Yeah, I'm sorry, 471 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: go ahead and finishing off Jack Jack Bladder. He's got an 472 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: opt out. You mentioned Palta. He's got an eight million 473 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: dollar club option, which seems insane that the Brewers would 474 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: trade him, but they Corbyn Burns a couple of years ago, 475 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: they traded him. Nick Martinez is a free agent. Chris Bassett, 476 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: Michael King's got a mutual option. Again, mutual options are 477 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: almost always declined by either party. The Cubs show to Imanaga, 478 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: he's got a kind of a crazy option. He's got 479 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: a three year, fifty seven million dollar club option, or 480 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: like a one year player option. Zach Gallon, Merril Kelly. 481 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: Those are some of the free agent pitchers of the market. 482 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: So something to monitor, keep an eye on. I wouldn't 483 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: be totally stunned if the Phillies added a starting pitcher 484 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: this offseason. I think they have other priorities, but it's 485 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: something to consider. 486 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: I think some things that and that's why I'm so 487 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 5: fascinated by this offseason. 488 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: And think about this. If you had a choice, would 489 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: you re sign Kyle Schwarber or would you trade three 490 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: of your best prospects for Trek Schoubel. 491 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: And sign him long term? 492 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: Interesting, so, would you sign Tk Scooble for seven years 493 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: at you know, forty million dollars a year, or would 494 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 4: you sign Kyle Schwarber and then piece together the rest 495 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: of your rotation at a gallon with a you know whatever, 496 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 4: I mean if you added an you know piece, because 497 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: you have to wonder whether or not Zach Wheeler really 498 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: is going to be able to come back, because that 499 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 4: will affect your decision making if you want to continue 500 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: to contend. 501 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: I would love to have the picture in the arm. 502 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: I just I'd be concerned about. This is a team 503 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: that needs to get younger and to shed two promising 504 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: position guys who could man a position here sometime in 505 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, young, lower payrolls, just you know, youthful 506 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: talent is what this team is begging for. But on 507 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: the other hand, to have a dominant guy like that 508 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: Adams who had already pretty good rotation as your other 509 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: dominant guy Wheeler is getting older and is a question. 510 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of attractiveness to that as well. 511 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: It's it's a tough call. 512 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: Three dominating left handed starters. It was what you would 513 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 4: have Lozardo, Google and and Sanchez. Imagine having those three 514 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: guys in your rotation, Nellie, and then you have. 515 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: You have to win the World Series next year. You 516 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: have to. 517 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: And yes, yes, I mean how about this? What would 518 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: you again? What about this? Would you do it and 519 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: just go into going one and done with You can't 520 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: go one and done with Terry Scouble? 521 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: Can you not giving up talent? I know? And it's 522 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 4: I know it's a generational talent because he's that good, 523 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: he's gonna go back to backside Young's right. 524 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 5: I do that as a I view that as a 525 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 5: generational talent. 526 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: I'd want to know I can sign them from giving 527 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: up those parts. 528 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: Much talent and you're trying to get younger, that's that's 529 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: that's a big gamble. 530 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: Because that's part of the plan having him from multiple seasons, 531 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: having having his you know what's left of his prime. 532 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: And it's the same reason we ended up, you know, 533 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: moving Doc and signing him. He was a generational talent 534 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 4: for us. Sure, No, I'm jump talking, Okay, okay made 535 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: it when we traded and signed it. 536 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: Halliday got it. 537 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: We wouldn't have made the trade had we not been 538 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 4: able to keep him around for three years. 539 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: And it's amazing you got him for sixty million bucks, 540 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, which even then was reasonable. I know the 541 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: world has changed a lot since then. I mean, what's 542 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: boris gonna want with that guy? 543 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: School? 544 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: It's going to be forty million a year. You're right. 545 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean those negotiations for for Roy Rubin, you know, 546 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: he he basically said I want to go to the 547 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: was the Yankees or the Phillies. And I know at 548 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: one point, right it looked like the extension might not happen, 549 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: and didn't Roy kind of tell them like, let's at 550 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: this point, let's let's get this done. You might you 551 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: probably won't have that. You're not gonna have that situation 552 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: with Terry Schooble. I don't think he lives. He doesn't 553 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: live five minutes from Carpenter Complex, and uh, he doesn't. 554 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: He's gonna he's gonna set the market. 555 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So something something fun to think about 556 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: as the season. 557 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: If you're the Tigers, Reuben, you know you're in their chair, 558 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: do you move him before he walks? Do you say, 559 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: we had a really good season and twenty twenty five, 560 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna ride you to the finish line 561 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: and see what happens. 562 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 4: And you know, I think you're gonna be able to 563 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: maximize him in July if your team's not contending, I 564 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 4: hold him till July because you're a contending team. And 565 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 4: if you're contending, you stay in it. If you're not, 566 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 4: you just you know, let it ride. Yeah, depends on 567 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 4: what they feel like they're a contending team for next year. 568 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 5: They don't then beat it, I'd move him. 569 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 4: I think they're going to want want to show their 570 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: fans or contending that makes that division is terrible. 571 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good, and you can got to sell 572 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: some tickets to spins or so maybe going to the 573 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: season with them. 574 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: And Detroit's Detroit's different than Milwaukee too. I mean, Milwaukee 575 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: is just like you know, I wouldn't be surprised to 576 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: of if they traded Freddie Peroulta this winter, whereas, yeah, 577 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: maybe the Detroit goes, we're a little bit bigger market, 578 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: we don't have to act so small small market, like, 579 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: see what we can do. Maybe they got to a 580 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: great start, maybe they make a couple of nice moves 581 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: this offseason go So nevertheless, you don't know which way 582 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: the Phillies are going to go this offseason. 583 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 4: So I just wanted to want to bring it up. 584 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they if they can't go out and get that 585 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: whatever they want to do, uh trade wise, you know, 586 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: and to restructure the outfield. The outfield is probably gonna 587 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: look completely different. But if they can't do something that 588 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: they want to do, maybe they go, let's go out 589 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: and get some starting pitching and protect ourselves from from 590 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: some of those guys we mentioned earlier that yeah, I. 591 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 4: Gotta say something. Well, no, I'm changing gears here a 592 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 4: little bit. But isn't it nice to see guys hit 593 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 4: home runs, like the guys who are supposed to hit 594 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 4: home runs, to watch some of the guys step forward 595 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: and do the damage that's supposed to be done. I 596 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: know that they faced it tough Dodgers staff, right, and 597 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 4: it's totally different staff that they're facing, But it's nice 598 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 4: to see the guy, the Vlad Guerrero's of the world 599 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 4: and all those guys that are expected to do damage 600 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 4: doing damage. 601 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Vlad's had a hell of a postseason, man, hell 602 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: of a postseason. 603 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: All season they signed at the contract, turned everything around. 604 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: They were gonna fire everybody up there, and all of 605 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: a sudden they turn their season around. 606 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: Sure, you're right, I mean it was at five hundred. 607 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: Vlad. 608 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: This postseason is bad. A four to sixty two with 609 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: a one point five to three to two ops, just 610 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: tons of clutch hits, a lot of fun up there. 611 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: But interestingly, in his last three postseason series it was 612 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: six Wild Card series, six games he batted combined one 613 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: point thirty six with a four to twenty two ops. 614 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: So this is the first time he's really had some 615 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: postseason success. But man, it's coming at a great time. 616 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Game seven. 617 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: He's got a ton of uh, you know, protection or chefs. 618 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: He really doesn't have a ton of protection, and they're 619 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 4: walking them now in the big situation, which is understandable. 620 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 4: But when he's getting chances to hit, he's producing, and 621 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 4: that's what you do when you're stepping forward and getting 622 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 4: paid the big glue. 623 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: That's been a great games. Game sevens are great. 624 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: That just should be a fabulous Game seven. 625 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's two teams that you know, you 626 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: can kind of pull for and if you're you know, 627 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: for different ways. You know, the Mariners have never been 628 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: to the World Series. They're one of five teams in 629 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: baseball's history to never win a World Series. 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