WEBVTT - GHISLAINE MAXWELL MOVED TO A CUSHIER PRISON.  NOBODY’S SAYING WHY. 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folksit is Monday, August fourth, and Gallaine Maxwell

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<v Speaker 1>was taken out of her low security prison this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's morning. She woke up in an even lower

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<v Speaker 1>security prison, and with that, welcome to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>The story here is that we don't know why, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we got word that Gallaine Maxwell was, for reasons still

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<v Speaker 1>yet to be determined, moved from her prison in Tallahassee.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So she was in a, as you mentioned, a

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<v Speaker 3>fairly low security prison in Tallahassee. But she's now been

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<v Speaker 3>moved to a prison camp, a federal prison camp in Brian, Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are I guess five levels of security in

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<v Speaker 3>a in the federal prison system.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the.

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<v Speaker 3>Lowest of the low so it's the fifth ranked. There

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<v Speaker 3>are fewer guards, there is more freedom, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of perks being in this camp, and there's some famous

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<v Speaker 3>inmates with her as well. So most people are looking

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<v Speaker 3>at this as a much cushier version of what she

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<v Speaker 3>was experiencing in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And all the tiers you talk about, there are

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<v Speaker 1>the five tiers. This is the lowest and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not usually one reserved for people who have convictions like hers.

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<v Speaker 1>She is considered a violent offender. She's convicted of some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty serious child trafficking offenses. So this tier, according even

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<v Speaker 1>to the view of prisons, is not somewhere they would

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<v Speaker 1>normally keep someone like her. So you add all those

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<v Speaker 1>things together with the fact robes that we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>an answer from anybody, and this just adds to the drama,

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<v Speaker 1>to the mystique to some degree. With certainly the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>of this Jeffrey Epstein story. Now what is going on

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<v Speaker 1>with Glain Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, and we have been, as have journalists all

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<v Speaker 3>around the in probably world, been looking for an answer

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<v Speaker 3>as to why Glaine Maxwell was moved. Obviously, the timing

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<v Speaker 3>is suspect. It was, I believe, exactly two weeks to

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<v Speaker 3>the day of when she wrapped the interview, or at

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<v Speaker 3>least the two day session she had with the Deputy

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<v Speaker 3>Attorney General Todd Blanche, where she supposedly, according to her,

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<v Speaker 3>her attorney answered all of his questions. She was granted

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<v Speaker 3>limited immunity to answer those questions, but she apparently spoke

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<v Speaker 3>about or around the names of around one hundred people.

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<v Speaker 3>She said whether or not she knew of any connections

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<v Speaker 3>to Jeffrey Epstein. So she apparently told all spilled all

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<v Speaker 3>to Blanche and lo and behold, two weeks later, she's

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<v Speaker 3>moved to a much nicer.

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<v Speaker 4>Facility.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we didn't hear anything about a deal being struck

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. We were told she was given limited

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<v Speaker 1>immunity just in terms of having the conversation with the DOJ. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>she's also been subpoened, as you mentioned, but that's not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to come until a little later. And they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to delay her testimony in front of the House

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<v Speaker 1>Committee until after her appeal is taken care of with

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. So okay, so here we are. We

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<v Speaker 1>set this thing up. Everybody seems to want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her. She has a lot going on and at

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<v Speaker 1>stake right now, at a critical time, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of all of this she gets moved. Don't we

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<v Speaker 1>have to jump to a conclusion that some arrangement was

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<v Speaker 1>made and some deal was made with her for what

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<v Speaker 1>was it? For information she has already given or something

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<v Speaker 1>to come.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, And because no one is talking, everyone is

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<v Speaker 3>trying to connect the dots. But the irony is of course,

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<v Speaker 3>in the name of transparency. We're supposed to be hearing

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<v Speaker 3>what she knows. In the name of transparency. President Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to unseal documents that were submitted during the

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<v Speaker 3>grandjury testimony.

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<v Speaker 4>In the name of transparency.

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<v Speaker 3>People want to see what it is that folks have

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<v Speaker 3>been able to look at in terms of what Epstein knew,

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<v Speaker 3>the files he kept, what Galaine maxwells. So all of

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<v Speaker 3>this is in the name of transparency, and yet the

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<v Speaker 3>secrecy continues. The veil is still over all of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and now more secrecy.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we have to say something has taken place, some

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<v Speaker 1>deal was made. My curiosity now is it for information?

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<v Speaker 1>Does she make this deal before she talked or is

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<v Speaker 1>this now a part of a bigger a much bigger deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but we got word of this, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is on Friday and roads the Bureau of Prisons

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<v Speaker 1>put out a statement, short, sweet, to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.

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<v Speaker 3>We can confirm Glaine Maxwell is in the custody of

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<v Speaker 3>the Federal Bureau of Prisons at the Federal Prison Camp

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<v Speaker 3>Brian in Brian, Texas.

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<v Speaker 4>Period. That's it, nothing more, And no.

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<v Speaker 3>Word from her attorney either, who has been very loquacious.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been very outspoken, talked a lot about what Ghlaine

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<v Speaker 3>Maxwell said in terms of what kind of information she

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<v Speaker 3>gave the Department of Justice, so he's been very vocal

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and saying that Ghlaine Maxwell will tell all

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<v Speaker 3>if she can get any kind of clemency a pardon

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<v Speaker 3>from Trump. He has been floating out all sorts of

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<v Speaker 3>information and ideas and propositions in the media, speaking depressed,

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<v Speaker 3>So for him not to be speaking at all about

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<v Speaker 3>this is also very telling and interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay that for me, that's the first son that I knew. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>something major is up because that guy has been talking

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<v Speaker 1>from the get go. He has When the DOJ was

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<v Speaker 1>very tight lipped, he came right out and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was saying almost he stopped short of given me

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred names exactly, but other than that, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mind talking.

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<v Speaker 3>So feel like if they pressed him further, he might

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<v Speaker 3>have spilled out a couple of names, like that's how

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<v Speaker 3>much he was talking.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you tell me this guy something has gotten

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<v Speaker 1>him to stop talking, then something pretty serious is going on, right, Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 3>Glane Maxwell is likely the most powerful convicted felon in

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<v Speaker 3>the country right now, and that she knows she has something.

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<v Speaker 4>That everybody wants, and she.

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<v Speaker 3>Has something that perhaps a lot of powerful people don't

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<v Speaker 3>want her to say. We don't know that, but that

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<v Speaker 3>is certainly a part of the speculation and certainly a

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<v Speaker 3>part of the conspiracy theory is that she would be

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<v Speaker 3>able to bury certain powerful people if she did spill

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<v Speaker 3>all the beans.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so her options, at least as she sees them legally,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Supreme Court takes up her case. Who knows

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<v Speaker 1>if they will there, who knows she really has an argument,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's one option her only other options. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not eligible to be let out of prison until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe is the absolute earliest.

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<v Speaker 1>After that. This is her shot. She's holding whatever Trump card,

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<v Speaker 1>to give that use of the term, but it's apt here.

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<v Speaker 2>She's hold that.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with that thing? She wants to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of prison now. She's also they're not shy

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<v Speaker 1>about asking the president, please pardon me. The President said

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't been asked yet. I'm sure he's had He's

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like her attorney basically asked the President via

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<v Speaker 3>the media for that clemency, for that pardon, so he

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<v Speaker 3>kind of has been asked.

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<v Speaker 2>So now, I mean, Rose, what can she?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Glaine maxwellsh doesn't she have to play hardball?

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<v Speaker 1>And who wants this information badly enough? Does the administration

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<v Speaker 1>really want the info from her? Or do they want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they look like they did everything they

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<v Speaker 1>could in their power to get everything from her about Epstein?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it could be a combination of the two.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know the answer to that, but there has

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<v Speaker 3>been a huge amount of pushback from the victims of

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<v Speaker 3>Glaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, the victim's families, They are

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<v Speaker 3>extremely upset about any potential deal that's being made with

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<v Speaker 3>Glene Maxwell, and certainly by this move because of just

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<v Speaker 3>the optics alone, it looks as though she is being

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<v Speaker 3>given preferential treatment for what.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They're absolutely post to this, and there are reports that

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<v Speaker 3>other inmates who are in this cushy camp prison camp

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<v Speaker 3>that they're upset as well, because this is a facility

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<v Speaker 3>for non violent offenders, and as we pointed out, Glen

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<v Speaker 3>Maxwell absolutely is a convicted violent offender, and so there

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<v Speaker 3>are concerns about everyone's safety then in the prison facility,

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<v Speaker 3>because certainly a lot of people believe and certainly other

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<v Speaker 3>inmates believe, she has a target on her back because

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<v Speaker 3>of the information she potentially knows. So they feel like

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<v Speaker 3>all of their lives might be endangered by her being there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't think of it that way, but we

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<v Speaker 2>have to as we keep talking about her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a socialite, she came from this family, and you

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<v Speaker 1>see the pictures of her, she's smiling, she's being hugged,

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<v Speaker 1>or she's doing whatever. But a reminder here, this is

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<v Speaker 1>someone that the victim's family call a monster. This is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is serving time for being the one who

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<v Speaker 1>would find, recruit, groom and then serve up essentially these

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<v Speaker 1>young women, under age girl.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just going to say, you say young women,

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking minors on.

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<v Speaker 1>A platter to these men. This is not just someone

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of some small crime. She is convicted of doing

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<v Speaker 1>some really horrific stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Virginia Robert Giuffrey was working at mar A Lago at

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<v Speaker 3>the spa there.

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<v Speaker 4>She was sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Years old, according to Virginia and according to court records,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is when Elaine Maxwell found her groomed her,

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<v Speaker 3>and as you pointed, and you said this, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>no better way to put served her up to Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein and the men in his circle, it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And they talk about the possibility. I mean, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>there are names and people and victims we know that

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<v Speaker 1>came forward, but they're talking about potential hundreds and some

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<v Speaker 1>say even into the thousands of girls who were impacted

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<v Speaker 1>by what was happening in this circle. So as we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this, and she's being moved from one cushy

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<v Speaker 1>place to a cushier place, and we talk about she

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<v Speaker 1>can make these deals, and it sounds like she's just

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<v Speaker 1>any typical inmate. She's nine folks, she's someone that certainly

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<v Speaker 1>these families and just going strictly by the convictions. This

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<v Speaker 1>is some awful stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's another way to look at it. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly,

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<v Speaker 3>we're told died by suicide. So he never had his

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<v Speaker 3>day in court. The victims never got justice in the

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<v Speaker 3>way we expected in this country. They never got to

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<v Speaker 3>actually see him convicted and put behind bars for his crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>So Glene Maxwell is truly the only person who has

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<v Speaker 3>actually been punished and she as she should, because her

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<v Speaker 3>crimes weren't just because of or surrounding Epstein, but because

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<v Speaker 3>of her own personal choices and actions and facilitating what

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein and others did. But the point is, would you

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<v Speaker 3>trade or transfer some of her punishment to then be

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<v Speaker 3>able to point the finger or prosecute other people who

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<v Speaker 3>might be involved.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's really the trade off, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So she might get some lessened sentence or the worst

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<v Speaker 3>case scenario for the victims, be pardoned altogether, but in

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<v Speaker 3>an effort to then find out who else was involved,

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<v Speaker 3>who else might be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a prosecutor's call. I mean, I don't know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here as a moral call there. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you to get more and maybe even more direct

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<v Speaker 1>offenders if you will. I'm not saying she indirections right there.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying, what about men who were potentially the abusers?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what we're talking about, is that potentially going

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<v Speaker 1>to get some of those people punished in off the street.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, I don't know, you have to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to have to consider that before a victim, a victim's family,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, you want to roll the dice there knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that this is the only person right now. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough call who's been punished.

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<v Speaker 3>But the victims and the victims' families have all been

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<v Speaker 3>very outspoken and very clear they don't want her to

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<v Speaker 3>get a deal under any circumstances. Before we go to break,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to tell you about new leggings I've been

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<v Speaker 3>Amy and TJ, and we are discussing today this mysterious

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<v Speaker 3>move without any qualification, without any real acknowledgment or explanation,

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<v Speaker 3>convicted sex child sex trafficker Glene Maxwell has been moved

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<v Speaker 3>from a minimum security prison in Florida to a even

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<v Speaker 3>more minimum security prison camp in Texas, and no one

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<v Speaker 3>has explained why she was moved to a cushier It's

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<v Speaker 3>called a club fed is what a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 3>refer to this particular prison camp.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, uh, free range prisoners. They get to

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<v Speaker 1>rome and in some of these places don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>fences up, even perimeters around. So they keep them in dorms,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, and they have bunk beds, suites if you

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<v Speaker 1>will over there. They consider them dormitories where they're being capped.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a much different place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we can get into some of the specifics of

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<v Speaker 3>what this particular prison camp is like, just so you

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<v Speaker 3>can get an idea of why some of the families

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<v Speaker 3>of the victims and the victims themselves are so outraged

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<v Speaker 3>that she's now been placed into this facility. We'll go

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and read the whole statement that was written by

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<v Speaker 3>This was written by Virginia Robert Giffrey's family, in addition

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<v Speaker 3>to other victims.

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<v Speaker 4>They all collaborated and put out this one statement.

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<v Speaker 3>It says, it is with horror and outrage that we

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<v Speaker 3>object the preferential treatment convicted sex trafficker Gallaiine Maxwell has received.

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<v Speaker 3>Gallainne Maxwell is a sexual predator who physically assaulted minor

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<v Speaker 3>children on multiple occasions, and she should never be any leniency. Yet,

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<v Speaker 3>without any notification to the Maxwell victims, the government overnight

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<v Speaker 3>has moved Maxwell to a minimum security luxury prison in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the justice system failing victims right before our eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>The American public should be enraged by the preferential treatment

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<v Speaker 3>being given to a pedophile and a criminally charged child

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<v Speaker 3>sex offender. The Trump administration should not credit a word

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<v Speaker 3>Maxwell says, as the government itself sought charges against Maxwell

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<v Speaker 3>for being a serial liar, this move smacks of.

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<v Speaker 4>A cover up. The victims deserve better.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you could take an issue with

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<v Speaker 1>one word of anything they said there, and it's I

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<v Speaker 1>know they're upset by the preferential treatment. She's not getting

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<v Speaker 1>preferential treatment of course, because she is a person of

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<v Speaker 1>wealth or status or she's buying her way. She's right

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<v Speaker 1>now holding some cards that others want to get their

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<v Speaker 1>hands on, and she seems to be playing those cards,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them was to get a better sleeping arrangement. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>it does. It's the cover up part. I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just, oh, the irony, just in order to try

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<v Speaker 3>and get more transparenty transparency and more information. It feels

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<v Speaker 3>like they're just covering up more so it just ends

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<v Speaker 3>up making matters worse for folks who are already frustrated.

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<v Speaker 3>So to get an idea of this new prison that

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<v Speaker 3>she's in, So, yes, dormitory style facilities, that's what you said,

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<v Speaker 3>two people bunk bed cells.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you could call.

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<v Speaker 3>Them that, but more like dorms. They're expected to work.

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<v Speaker 3>But they have a range of educational programs available to

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<v Speaker 3>all the inmates. They can take classes on business skills

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<v Speaker 3>and foreign languages. They can place sports, attend religious services,

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<v Speaker 3>access televisions. They have visitors on the weekends and holidays,

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<v Speaker 3>and they have limited physical conduct with those visit. So

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<v Speaker 3>that is certainly interesting. But yeah, they're given an hour

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<v Speaker 3>for meal, time just to roam around. And as you

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out TJ, a lot of the areas don't even

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<v Speaker 3>have fences.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that lets you know how minimum the security

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<v Speaker 1>is that some of these places they don't consider any

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<v Speaker 1>of these folks necessarily be a threat to the community

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<v Speaker 1>or necessarily a flight risk. Elizabeth Holmes famously is being

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<v Speaker 1>housed there. I didn't know the other Jenshaw from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Again, these are white

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<v Speaker 3>collar crimes that these two women are charged or were

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<v Speaker 3>convicted of. So again, no violent prisoners there except for

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<v Speaker 3>now Glene Maxwell. They even had some pictures of Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes working out with some weights, just walking around the

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<v Speaker 3>grounds there.

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<v Speaker 4>That they have a gym, they have yoga.

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<v Speaker 3>Classes, they have a puppy program where prisoners can train

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<v Speaker 3>dogs with an outside company and earn money doing so.

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<v Speaker 3>So that just gives you an idea. This doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like this isn't Shawshank redemption. They're not in these locked

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<v Speaker 3>and sales in these harsh environments. You know, we think

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<v Speaker 3>of that, we think about what Diddy Sean Diddy Combs

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<v Speaker 3>is frustrated by his situation, the prison he's being housed

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<v Speaker 3>in Brooklyn right now. And look what's happening to Glene Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're a family member of a victim, this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like punishment for the only person who has

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<v Speaker 1>been convicted of harming your family member. So and again

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<v Speaker 1>for virginia Raised family, I mean, she took her own

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<v Speaker 1>life not too many months ago, so this is really

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<v Speaker 1>fresh for them, and we're talking just months and now,

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<v Speaker 1>just months later, talking about the person that they probably

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<v Speaker 1>do hold responsible for the pain their family members and

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<v Speaker 1>her death now to see, she's she's making deals.

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<v Speaker 3>From Virginia's family's perspective, if Glene Maxwell had not set

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<v Speaker 3>her sights on their family member, on Virginia, on their sister,

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<v Speaker 3>on their daughter, on their loved one, Virginia would still

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<v Speaker 3>be alive today. Who knows what trajectory her life would

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<v Speaker 3>have taken. But they single handedly hold Glame Maxwell responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for what happened to Virginia, and rightfully so, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, she's it now. She's the only one here that

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<v Speaker 1>we know of to hold it responsible. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor said Jeffrey Epstein could not have done anything he

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<v Speaker 1>did without her. Now, every crime, everything he had a

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<v Speaker 1>hand in having to do with any sexual assault or

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<v Speaker 1>grooming of a young lady. Glame Maxwell made it happen.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what's also just so disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget the fact that yes, they moved her, but to

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<v Speaker 3>not even notify the families ahead of time, to not

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<v Speaker 3>at least have given them a heads up, to not

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<v Speaker 3>at least have said, hey, we know this is going

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<v Speaker 3>to feel and sound awful for you to hear about,

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<v Speaker 3>but we want to let you know what's happening, and

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<v Speaker 3>we want to let you know we have a plan,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is all in an effort to seek further

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<v Speaker 3>justice for you or for the people you love, and

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<v Speaker 3>at least give them that. Wouldn't that have been something

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<v Speaker 3>It blows my mind the lack of respect so many

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<v Speaker 3>victims are given in our justice system, period, but certainly

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to this case, there was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe somebody who's looking back and go, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we and who knows how all this

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<v Speaker 1>went down. I'm not excusing at all. You are one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent right, that is what we would hope would

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<v Speaker 1>have happened. That getting overlooked in this heated in byer

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<v Speaker 1>where they're worried about paperwork and sneaking around and make

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<v Speaker 1>sure nobody leaks and getting a deal done and all

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<v Speaker 1>this human beings, humanity and victims probably was not at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of mind, unfortunately. And isn't that what they

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<v Speaker 1>always say, that something you're putting something before the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>something comes before the victims. And once again that was

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<v Speaker 1>probably the case, right.

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<v Speaker 3>These victims weren't believed, they weren't heard for years and

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<v Speaker 3>years and years, and so this is just a rubbing

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<v Speaker 3>salt in the wound, and that's even a light statement.

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<v Speaker 3>But we will certainly keep our eye on this developing story.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's got to speak at some point. It seems like

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<v Speaker 3>someone has to acknowledge this or at least explain why

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<v Speaker 3>this is happening. We know there are some more developments

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<v Speaker 3>coming this week with lawyers for Maxwell and Epstein and

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<v Speaker 3>for their alleged victims are supposed to be putting in

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<v Speaker 3>their arguments into court this week saying whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>they think those documents should be unsealed.

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<v Speaker 4>In the Epstein case.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are going to be many more headlines coming

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<v Speaker 3>from this story, and we will of course stay on.

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<v Speaker 4>Top of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for listening to us today. I'm Amy Robach

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<v Speaker 3>alongside my partner TJ Holmes. Have a wonderful Monday.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody,