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Speaker 1: Hey there, folksit is Monday, August fourth, and Gallaine Maxwell

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Speaker 1: was taken out of her low security prison this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and there's morning. She woke up in an even lower

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Speaker 1: security prison, and with that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: The story here is that we don't know why, but yes,

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Speaker 1: we got word that Gallaine Maxwell was, for reasons still

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Speaker 1: yet to be determined, moved from her prison in Tallahassee.

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Speaker 3: Right, So she was in a, as you mentioned, a

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Speaker 3: fairly low security prison in Tallahassee. But she's now been

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Speaker 3: moved to a prison camp, a federal prison camp in Brian, Texas.

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Speaker 3: And there are I guess five levels of security in

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Speaker 4: This is the.

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Speaker 3: Lowest of the low so it's the fifth ranked. There

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Speaker 3: are fewer guards, there is more freedom, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of perks being in this camp, and there's some famous

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Speaker 3: inmates with her as well. So most people are looking

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Speaker 3: at this as a much cushier version of what she

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Speaker 1: Okay, And all the tiers you talk about, there are

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Speaker 1: the five tiers. This is the lowest and this is

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Speaker 1: not usually one reserved for people who have convictions like hers.

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Speaker 1: She is considered a violent offender. She's convicted of some

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Speaker 1: pretty serious child trafficking offenses. So this tier, according even

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Speaker 1: to the view of prisons, is not somewhere they would

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Speaker 1: normally keep someone like her. So you add all those

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Speaker 1: an answer from anybody, and this just adds to the drama,

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Speaker 1: to the mystique to some degree. With certainly the mystery

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Speaker 1: of this Jeffrey Epstein story. Now what is going on

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Speaker 1: with Glain Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and we have been, as have journalists all

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Speaker 3: around the in probably world, been looking for an answer

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Speaker 3: as to why Glaine Maxwell was moved. Obviously, the timing

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Speaker 3: is suspect. It was, I believe, exactly two weeks to

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Speaker 3: least the two day session she had with the Deputy

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Speaker 3: Attorney General Todd Blanche, where she supposedly, according to her,

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Speaker 3: her attorney answered all of his questions. She was granted

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Speaker 3: about or around the names of around one hundred people.

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Speaker 3: She said whether or not she knew of any connections

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Speaker 3: to Blanche and lo and behold, two weeks later, she's

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Speaker 4: Facility.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we didn't hear anything about a deal being struck

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Speaker 1: at the time. We were told she was given limited

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Speaker 1: immunity just in terms of having the conversation with the DOJ. Fine,

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Speaker 1: she's also been subpoened, as you mentioned, but that's not

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Speaker 1: supposed to come until a little later. And they're actually

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. So okay, so here we are. We

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Speaker 1: set this thing up. Everybody seems to want to talk

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Speaker 1: midst of all of this she gets moved. Don't we

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Speaker 1: have to jump to a conclusion that some arrangement was

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Speaker 1: was it? For information she has already given or something

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Speaker 3: That's right, And because no one is talking, everyone is

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Speaker 3: trying to connect the dots. But the irony is of course,

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Speaker 3: in the name of transparency. We're supposed to be hearing

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Speaker 3: what she knows. In the name of transparency. President Trump

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Speaker 4: In the name of transparency.

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Speaker 3: People want to see what it is that folks have

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Speaker 3: the files he kept, what Galaine maxwells. So all of

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Speaker 3: this is in the name of transparency, and yet the

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Speaker 1: Obviously we have to say something has taken place, some

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Speaker 1: Does she make this deal before she talked or is

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Speaker 2: Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.

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Speaker 3: We can confirm Glaine Maxwell is in the custody of

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Speaker 4: Period. That's it, nothing more, And no.

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Speaker 3: Word from her attorney either, who has been very loquacious.

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Speaker 3: He's been very outspoken, talked a lot about what Ghlaine

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Speaker 3: if she can get any kind of clemency a pardon

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Speaker 3: from Trump. He has been floating out all sorts of

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Speaker 1: Okay that for me, that's the first son that I knew. Okay,

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Speaker 1: something major is up because that guy has been talking

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Speaker 1: very tight lipped, he came right out and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was saying almost he stopped short of given me

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Speaker 1: one hundred names exactly, but other than that, he didn't

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Speaker 3: So feel like if they pressed him further, he might

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Speaker 1: So when you tell me this guy something has gotten

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Speaker 1: him to stop talking, then something pretty serious is going on, right, Yes.

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Speaker 4: I mean we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 3: Glane Maxwell is likely the most powerful convicted felon in

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Speaker 4: That everybody wants, and she.

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Speaker 3: Has something that perhaps a lot of powerful people don't

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Speaker 3: part of the conspiracy theory is that she would be

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Speaker 3: able to bury certain powerful people if she did spill

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Speaker 1: Okay, so her options, at least as she sees them legally,

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Speaker 1: if they will there, who knows she really has an argument,

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Speaker 1: But that's one option her only other options. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's not eligible to be let out of prison until

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Speaker 2: I believe is the absolute earliest.

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Speaker 1: After that. This is her shot. She's holding whatever Trump card,

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Speaker 2: She's hold that.

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Speaker 1: What do you do with that thing? She wants to

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Speaker 1: get out of prison now. She's also they're not shy

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Speaker 1: about asking the president, please pardon me. The President said

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Speaker 3: I feel like her attorney basically asked the President via

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Speaker 2: So now, I mean, Rose, what can she?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Glaine maxwellsh doesn't she have to play hardball?

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Speaker 1: And who wants this information badly enough? Does the administration

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it could be a combination of the two.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the answer to that, but there has

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Speaker 3: been a huge amount of pushback from the victims of

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Speaker 3: extremely upset about any potential deal that's being made with

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Speaker 4: We don't know, but.

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely post to this, and there are reports that

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Speaker 3: Maxwell absolutely is a convicted violent offender, and so there

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think of it that way, but we

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Speaker 2: have to as we keep talking about her.

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Speaker 1: She's a socialite, she came from this family, and you

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Speaker 1: A platter to these men. This is not just someone

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Speaker 3: Virginia Robert Giuffrey was working at mar A Lago at

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Speaker 1: And they talk about the possibility. I mean, I say,

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Speaker 1: say even into the thousands of girls who were impacted

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Speaker 3: And here's another way to look at it. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly,

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Speaker 3: we're told died by suicide. So he never had his

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Speaker 3: So Glene Maxwell is truly the only person who has

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's really the trade off, right.

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Speaker 3: So she might get some lessened sentence or the worst

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Speaker 1: That's a prosecutor's call. I mean, I don't know I'm

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Speaker 3: Amy and TJ, and we are discussing today this mysterious

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Speaker 3: convicted sex child sex trafficker Glene Maxwell has been moved

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Speaker 1: It's almost like, uh, free range prisoners. They get to

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Speaker 1: So this is a much different place.

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Speaker 3: This was written by Virginia Robert Giffrey's family, in addition

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Speaker 4: They all collaborated and put out this one statement.

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Speaker 3: It says, it is with horror and outrage that we

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Speaker 3: Gallainne Maxwell is a sexual predator who physically assaulted minor

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Speaker 3: without any notification to the Maxwell victims, the government overnight

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Speaker 3: This is the justice system failing victims right before our eyes.

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Speaker 3: The American public should be enraged by the preferential treatment

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Speaker 3: for being a serial liar, this move smacks of.

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Speaker 4: A cover up. The victims deserve better.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you could take an issue with

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Speaker 1: it does. It's the cover up part. I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: It's just, oh, the irony, just in order to try

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Speaker 3: So to get an idea of this new prison that

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Speaker 3: she's in, So, yes, dormitory style facilities, that's what you said,

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Speaker 3: Them that, but more like dorms. They're expected to work.

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Speaker 3: But they have a range of educational programs available to

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Speaker 3: that is certainly interesting. But yeah, they're given an hour

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Speaker 1: I mean that lets you know how minimum the security

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Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Again, these are white

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Speaker 3: now Glene Maxwell. They even had some pictures of Elizabeth

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Speaker 4: That they have a gym, they have yoga.

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Speaker 3: So that just gives you an idea. This doesn't feel

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Speaker 3: like this isn't Shawshank redemption. They're not in these locked

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Speaker 1: So if you're a family member of a victim, this

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Speaker 1: for virginia Raised family, I mean, she took her own

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Speaker 3: From Virginia's family's perspective, if Glene Maxwell had not set

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Speaker 1: Mean, she's it now. She's the only one here that

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Speaker 4: You know what's also just so disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Forget the fact that yes, they moved her, but to

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Speaker 3: and this is all in an effort to seek further

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Speaker 3: at least give them that. Wouldn't that have been something

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Speaker 3: It blows my mind the lack of respect so many

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Speaker 3: when it comes to this case, there was a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Maybe somebody who's looking back and go, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: this human beings, humanity and victims probably was not at

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Speaker 3: These victims weren't believed, they weren't heard for years and

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Speaker 3: But we will certainly keep our eye on this developing story.

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Speaker 3: Someone's got to speak at some point. It seems like

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Speaker 3: this is happening. We know there are some more developments

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Speaker 4: In the Epstein case.

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Speaker 3: So there are going to be many more headlines coming

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Speaker 4: Top of it all.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to us today. I'm Amy Robach

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Speaker 3: alongside my partner TJ Holmes. Have a wonderful Monday.

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Speaker 4: Everybody,