WEBVTT - 100th Episode Special: “Beyonce” Joins the Crew 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:03.800 Resent Choice Media. 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.039 Native Lamp pid one hundred episodes. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:07.800 Let's get it, get it, get it, get. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:13.000 It, because there's so much about this moment that it's trying. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.599 To make people feel like they've lost their mind, when 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:17.400 in fact. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:27.520 The welcome home, y'all, welcome to another episode of the 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.639 Native lamp podcast. This week is our hundredth episode, and 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.160 we're so proud to be here and joining you guys 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.240 as we always do, to talk about everything that's going 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.640 on in the culture around us, politically, sports, entertainment, all 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:39.360 those good things. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.159 Andrew, you look so different. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.040 Andrew ain't never looked as good. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:47.479 Can you remember how I used to tell you that 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.320 he used to think we were the same person and 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.080 not physically in the same space. Brother, Good to. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.800 See, it's good to see. I'm glad that you're one 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:57.440 of the number. As they say where we're from. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.560 That's right now. The difference of course between party and 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.360 I car gets him self compliments. I tend to wait 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:04.280 for them to be merited. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.240 Welcome home, Welcome home. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.240 Yes, it is official. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.600 I love it. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.560 How that was amazing, very chill. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:22.640 Yeah, it's fine. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:23.679 Yeah, it's fine. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.640 I give you a me for not Beyonce. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.280 How did you open up? Do you hear somebody say 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.759 these mothers were crazy? I think that was the best 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.080 exactly because they really are great. They really are. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.200 So I know I want to get into Bakari, but 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:40.720 first we got to let our viewers know. On this 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:47.640 hundred episode, when we talk about today. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.680 Beyond Beyonce, beyond Beyonce, we are also going to talk 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.680 about speaking of these mfs are crazy, this government shutdown 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.160 that is still going. Yeah, I want to get into 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.920 MAGA invading black spaces, not just taking over our cities, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.320 but also this turning point idea of coming to college campuses. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.600 I'm not feeling it. I don't know if the young 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.680 people are going to show up or not. I don't 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.240 think they should, but I want to hear what you 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:11.920 all have to say. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.960 Well, I'm interested, and let the audience get to know 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.840 Bikari a little bit better. We all know, of course, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:21.040 why this man is on the platform, has graciously agreed 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.200 to join us graciously, but I know that the listeners 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.040 and the viewers, our family out there, want to know 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.400 what they can expect, and you'll get a good flavor 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.160 of it. Today you've already gotten I don't know, confidence 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.120 on steroids. But the rest of it is to come. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.600 What do you want to talk about on your first. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.799 I'm just happy to be here. This is family. This 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.400 is not an adjustment. There will be no adjustment period, 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.640 you know, because we all we all talk and every 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.840 every day you guys are texting me for advice. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.119 On how to be better, how to be better? 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:56.320 That is actually the misinformation I want to talk about, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.200 Kyrien Lacy young Man at Louisiana State University. There's a 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.560 lot of conflicting if mation and reports, but you know, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.280 the way that we treat each other on social media 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.440 something the cesspool that has become Twitter and Instagram. And 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.840 we're raising kids in this environment too, So how do 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.040 we do that? What do we do? And I look 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.920 forward to spend in the next few minutes with your Yeah, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.000 oh if. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.120 We have time, you won't. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.600 Well, maybe we can talk about on minipop. But you 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.520 showed us a video clip of Congressman Katie Port. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.160 Oh, yeah, we need to talk about it was running for. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.480 Governor in Florida, who had this really California? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.639 Yeah what you said? 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.400 Sorry? 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:38.960 Yeah, I think it's that you know, when you're running 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.320 for office, there are moments in time. It's like playing sports. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.800 There are moments in which who you are kind of. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.040 Moment. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.880 It was an ugly interview. We'll show you guys the 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.000 clip later, but let's get into the show. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.920 All right, Welcome home, all right, Vacari. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.120 Angela, you were saying that you wanted to do a 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.000 rapid round with Bakari, But I just want to say, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.400 I'm actually thrilled that you're joining the show. I find 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.720 it hilarious that you fancy yourself the Beyonce of our cent. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.760 But I have known you. We've all known you. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.640 Our friendship stretches decades, and I think the thing I'm 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.760 most excited about is all of us, our friends, and 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.480 the conversations we have here. We have them the same. Angela, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:28.040 and Andrew and I went to dinner this week and 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:29.840 no Bakari was flying in. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.040 I was busy. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.520 He looked and busy as always. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.000 But we were at the table laughing so hard, and 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.360 people had recognized us and they were coming up saying, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.080 we love Native Lampard. What's happening? We heard y'all were canceled. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.359 I just want to say I'm throwing angela other to bus. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.520 It was this one. She made us do it. She 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:46.120 made us do it. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.360 I just want to say for the record that it 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.960 was my idea, and I want to say that it 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.800 wasn't five seconds that went by before these two were 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.520 absolutely on board with it, because it was not a 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.800 wide shot. When I said these two, I will say, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.120 it's Andrew to my left and Tip to my right. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.160 And the idea really was it's hard to break through, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.200 which is something we talk about on this show all 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:13.560 the time. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:14.520 It's hard to break. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.120 Through in this news environment, and so you have to 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.320 get creative. Perhaps it was a little too cunning, I 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.200 don't know, but we just wanted people to realize that, yes, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.880 Culture Con was our last show together as a trio, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.400 so their tripod became. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.880 A quad pip. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.280 And on that note, I just I want to say, Nakari, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.440 we all had the opportunity when we started the show 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.640 to tell people stuff about ourselves that they may not know, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.440 and so we wanted to ensure that you had a 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.560 proper introduction to Native Lampa's audience. We're sure some of 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.840 the Bacari Sellers podcast audience will also come over, but 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.400 just want to give you an opportunity to have the 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:52.880 floor and tell your story and we can ask you 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.160 questions on the other side of that. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.680 Yes, but it's important before you start that it must 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.880 be vulnerable. Generally some people don't know. Oh and if 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.360 it could bring you to tears, that'd be a real plus. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.559 What would I do without you? Before I get started 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.279 telling you who I am, I've known Andrew since my 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.880 time at Morehouse College. And Andrew was a phenomenal, phenomenal 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.800 young man who was had been SJA president but was 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.280 kind of figuring his way out in city politics. Of course, Angela, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.280 the first time we met, you were executive director of 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.760 the CBC at the time, grinding away hurting cats. That 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.760 is a very very parting feathers. That was a very 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.040 very difficult challenge and tasks. And I believe your chairman, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.120 one of the chairmen that you served under was Emmanuel 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.600 Cleeford from not mistaken only one great, great and awesome 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.640 human being, great and awesome leader. And that's when you 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.760 know the Caucus has had is ups and downs in 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:47.480 terms of perception. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.400 But I'm sorry, do you but you got me CBC. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.039 I just want to just send a special prayer to 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.000 the family of Carolyn Chiefs Killpatrick cast Away as a 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.120 former CBC care I can't not think about my cbcpans 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.400 brought rest in power miss Killing. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.880 And then yes, that was a yeah segue. I was 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.679 just going to say the strength that you all displayed 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.000 at that time. And one of the things people don't 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.960 know about the CBC. It's a family, and I don't 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.480 think people really know how close those members are, those 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.080 staffers are, and so that's that was my entree into 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.680 meeting Angela. And then Tiffany has been I don't think 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.600 people really know that Tiffany has been in every level 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.800 of journalism, and that is why her knowledge and probably 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.120 disappointment comes from what you've been able to see and 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.640 gain and garner from working at many different institutions. And she, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.920 as I was talking on earlier, she's the only true 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.720 journalist we have, and so I believe that shown through 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.680 quite often. You know, I tell people in the barbershop, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.400 I get paid for my opinion, and then you have 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.120 people who are true journalists, and there is a clear 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.080 line between the two. I guess for audiences who may 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.080 not know who I am, I think that my story 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.960 starts February eighth of nineteen sixty eight when my father, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.239 along with twenty eight others were shot. Three were killed 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.520 on the campus of South Carolina State and what's known 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.640 as the Orangeburg massacre. My father was not only shot, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.280 but he was arrested that night. He was charged with 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.560 five felonies, looking at a maximum of seventy five years 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.000 in prison. He ended up having his bond deny and 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.280 serving a little bit of time on death row while 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.600 his bond was denied. His bond was eventually set about 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.600 a month later fifty thousand dollars. And so that was 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.680 a great deal of resources for my grandparents. And in 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.199 between the time where those three young men were killed 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.840 and Henry Smith Samuel having to Dellanha Middleton and my 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.920 father's eventual trial, all nine officers who fired shots into 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.280 the group of students were tried random footnote. It was 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.040 the first and only time in this country's history that 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.360 well the first time in this country's history that law 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.880 enforcement was charged with federal civil rights violations federally, and 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.720 they were all found not guilty. My dad went to trial. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.800 His indictment was backdated from February eighth to February sixth. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.480 All the charges were dismissed except for one, and he 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.000 was charged, tried, and convicted of rioting, and my father 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.720 became the first and only one man riot in the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.040 history of this country. He ended up serving a year 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.840 of hard labor. And we have this amazing picture of 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.839 my dad where he's sitting with his prison blues on 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.320 and he has this white little uh prison number on 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.560 and my mom sitting beside him, and Uh, it's the 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.800 first time my dad saw his daughter. My sister's name 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.440 is no seasway Abida Ma sellers abide me means born 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.280 while father's away. And it was a powerful picture. He 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.840 was feeding my sister and they took that photo on 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.119 you know you're old enoughing thank you polaroid, Uh, polaroid. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.760 At the time, another inmate took it, and that was 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.600 the first time my father was able to lay eyes 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.720 on my sister was in the prison cell. And so 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.800 you know somebody who has seen all those things, Jimmy 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.760 Lee Jackson, MegaR Emmett, all those things very close with King. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.760 King actually performed my dad's first wedding in the basement 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.559 of I joke with my dad. He didn't find it 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.880 funny I don't think, but King don't didn't get everything right. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.520 I mean he did the first wed and it lasted 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.439 like six months. But he was very close with King 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.560 and very close with Stokely and Julian and all of 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.319 those heroes in Heroin. Shout out to Judy Richardson at 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.080 the Snake Project over there, Marion Barry, Uncle Mary, and 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.480 I was really close with Marion Barry. And so that 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.160 was my village. I'm a product that probably takes a 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.280 village to raise a child. My village was unique because 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.120 it had people like Uncle Jesse. Who is Jesse Jackson. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.240 I shout out to Uncle Jesse was born in nineteen 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.960 forty one, I believe, and his birthday is October eighth, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.440 So shout out to Uncle Jesse on his birthday. And 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.680 I think that down South, you give people their flowers 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.240 while they're living. Amen. Yeah, and so I want to 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.880 do that. And you know, I have grown to define myself. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.200 Contrary to what Andrew may say that I don't like 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.040 to necessarily write my own obituary. I think when people 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.200 go up and start reading all these accolades, that's for 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.800 other people to say. But I do define and my 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.679 my number one and two and one A is very clear. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.800 That's my husband. In one B is I'm a father, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.200 and so Sadie, Stokely and Kai Or you'll hear me 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.000 talk about them a lot on the show, because they 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.480 are my world. Is the reason I can never put 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.640 my phone on D and D. It's the reason that 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.960 my anxiety level is always high. It's the reason that 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.320 I understand freedom as a concept that we'll talk about 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.679 a lot, because I can't be free until we all 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.120 are free, and so I look forward to it. You know, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.640 my story is just as complex as as all of 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.880 you all. You never know what people go through, and 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.160 I think that we have to be able to put 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.040 ourselves in the shoes of others every now and then. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.400 I do too. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.680 Cliff knows he's royalty, civil rights royalty. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.160 I won't run from that, I know. I'm just saying, yeah, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.120 I definitely won't run from that, because I think those 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.480 stories are, those stories are, and the further we get 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.520 away from them. And for people of us a generation 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.560 who are watching, my challenge to all of you all 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.280 is like you were challenging younger generation on the Breakfast Club. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.719 My challenge the older, more seasoned folks is go down 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.640 to Walgreens or Dwayne Read or CBS or whatever you got, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.200 get one of them little eighty nine cent composition notebooks 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.679 and begin to write your story, because there is an 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.280 entire generation of folks who birthed us and raised us 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.920 whose stories aren't being told and they're not yeah. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.440 Or they told them and that their books are banned, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.440 or they told them and they were on websites where 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.760 you know, the federal government is deciding what should be 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.160 history or not, and that is in and of itself violence. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.040 So you know, in a land in the era where 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.280 facts in and of themselves are now arguable debatable, it 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.440 is most important if we have to go back to 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:47.760 what it means to be agree on that. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:48.720 So I'll do it. Then. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.560 You know, it's interesting because you and Vacari both descend 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.800 from activiststy right. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.200 Let me just take you right. I love that show 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.360 and whenever he asked me to be on that show, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.160 I still get the I still get the emails. I'm 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.280 on the email list. I didn't know that Eddie Virginia 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.920 had an email list, but I got one and I 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.080 still follow it on have you been on a jet? 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.200 I haven't. I've been advising, but we haven't. And how 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.480 many times I say yes every time? 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.080 Trust me? The indvice coming this week and and I 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.520 follow it on Facebook and I just I love I 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.240 love me some Eddie Virginia and people. You have to 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.120 remember that the sacrifices that we paid. Remember he was 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.600 telling me a story about uh, his efforts to get 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.839 a king day in Seattle, right, And you just don't, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.960 you don't. You don't know the struggles. That we're so 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.880 disconnected sometimes that you don't know the struggles. And I 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.520 would love to read that stuff. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.400 And you and Angela like it should come as no 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.000 surprise to your parents and people who knew you all 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.680 come and growing. You have a choice around no choice, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.560 how the depth that would at which you feel these issues, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.480 the consequences that are not yet felt but can be 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.480 predicted as a result of the actions that power takes, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.640 and also how to negotiate your way around it to 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.439 get the result that you want. I think I think 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.880 we should never run from legacy within our upbringing. Some 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.520 people attempt to try to make you feel bad for 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.800 having had certain lived experiences that you are in some 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.400 way not connected because of that lived experience. Well, you 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.320 may not share the same lived experience as everybody, but 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.280 you've got one that I think is important and powerful 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.280 that we have to uplift and also platform in our 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.560 community and those who have come through the legacy of 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.160 people who were front line fighters on the civil rights movement. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.400 Now everybody is today, right, except when you consider you know, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.200 you know, close to five percent of us who had 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.880 the opportunity to be active in as Black Americans weren't. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.520 And that's okay because people have to negotiate their involvement 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.720 from the space in which they're at and for some people, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.400 losing your job was what was on the line that 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.280 story or life. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.680 You're right, you know, I was saying that story you 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.920 were telling us is fascinating because I think we teach 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.320 leadership really perversely in this country, which is a whole 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.640 other conversation, because we always try to denote leadership as 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.480 being defined by how many followers do you have, when 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.320 like leadership begets other leaders That's how I that's what 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.400 they taught us at more House. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.400 Well, I'm glad you were taught, thank you. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.760 But but I do think that when you have you know, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.520 when you write history or look back at history, and 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.160 it's rewritten you look at particularly black folk. Everybody talks 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.160 about how they were part of the movie. Everybody talks 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.480 about how they work with teams when less than one 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.640 of them was actually there. And that's why I tell 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.720 young folks all the time, leadership's really lonely. Like I 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:53.200 was reading Condoleeza rasis autobiography, and you know her her 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.400 parents were Baptist ministers in Birmingham, Alabama, and they were 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.840 part of a group of individuals who King was like 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.640 talking to an a letter from the Birmingham jail. They 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.160 were a group of individuals who were like. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.640 I knew that before you said. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.680 It, Like no, don't come, I. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.800 Do that before you said it. These were the folks 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.120 who said not here, chaos here. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.640 I just I wanted to shift gears quickly back to you, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.400 because this is going to be probably the one time 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.040 where you get to have most of the attention focused 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:29.640 on you and on one thing that I appreciate about 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.480 you and Andrew, given that you're two different people, is 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:38.760 how you all represent black fatherhood. The ways in which 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.440 you are are very very present in your kids' lives. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.880 I was very fortunate to have a very very active 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.160 father too. He couldn't do hair, he didn't make my lunch, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.080 but he did everything else. He go buy it like 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.320 everything else. So I want you to talk a little bit. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.400 You talked about how they're your world. They've contributed to 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.600 your anxiety, but there's some other parts of you that 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.240 they've also helped you to under fold and uncover. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.080 What has fatherhood done? 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.320 How has it reshaped who you are and how you 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.040 show up in the or up? 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:12.080 Well, it changes your life everything because you somebody once 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.520 said it, and I think it was a comedian, I 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.600 think who stated that when he got a when he 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.560 had a daughter, Now, when he had a son, it 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.959 showed that he would die for someone, and then when 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.040 he had his daughter, it showed that he would kill 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.000 for someone. Like and I got him. I got him 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.840 both at the same time. But I also had this 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.920 amazing young lady in my life when she was three 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.000 and I was still figuring out life. I was twenty three. Kai, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.520 who is I guess that math? I don't do math. Well, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.159 maybe that'll work out, maybe it won't. But she was 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.000 three when I met her, and she's my bonus daughter, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.840 and so there's a there. You know, the modern family 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.560 is so different now sure, I mean, and so you know, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.919 you have these preconceived notions about what it is to 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.119 be with the woman who has a child, How you 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.600 accept that child, how that child accepts she you, How 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.919 your family looks like I love Vince, Vince's is my 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.400 daughter's father, and we'd family. I love Vince's mom, we'd family. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.400 It's like the family just it looked in twenty twenty five. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.560 It just looks different. We're all there to provide this 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:22.240 environment of comfort, care, nourishment, nurse sustenance, substance for Kai. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.479 And she's doing amazing at Howard right, and then you 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.040 have these two little rugrats running around here losing teeth. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.680 You know. I send Sadie to school and she has 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.159 her hair slicked back one and then you're I'm like, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.800 what child? Did you get jumped? Like? 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.320 Does she start putting purses in the bag? 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.159 We have purses and we have Lula boos yo. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.960 Yeah, yeah, you forget it. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.280 Yes, that one that's exactly too much money? 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.000 What you call it? 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:58.159 Just so? 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.720 Was it? They only naomisaka just sound a huge deal. Whatever. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.400 So we're doing all that. She came out and make everything. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.439 She's gorgeous. She went through a liver transplant. She's strong, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.600 she still wears her scar with pride. She takes her 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.360 you know, five emails attacker in the morning and at night. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.400 And then Stokely is just like you know, don't you. Yeah, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.640 He's like, no, he's my dad, He's real chill. It's 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.080 like Stokely is like, I'm gonna just sit over here 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.600 and chill out and relax and you know if you 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.760 need me any smiles at everything, and that's his natural disposition. So, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.040 you know, having children, I don't I'd love to hear 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.840 what Andrew says, but it just makes you, It just 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.040 makes you kind of recalibrate because you begin to you 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.400 really live for something else. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.520 Yeah, I mean. The only thing I add and it 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.199 is probably I hope it's probably true for you, is 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.680 I was told us like wearing your heart outside your 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:53.840 body with all the elements having access to it, Yeah, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.120 and not being able to control what will happen to it. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.640 And so my kids are an appendane of any organ 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:05.200