Speaker 1: It's two thirty five am on the back of a
Speaker 1: bird scooter hurtling down Melrose Avenue and you're listening to
Speaker 1: Night Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. My name is
Speaker 1: Emily Oshida in Los Angeles, and with me here in
Speaker 1: the studio I have Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. What up, guys,
Speaker 1: We're in the same room. Physical space, not just mental space,
Speaker 1: is being shared today. Physical space is the greatest special
Speaker 1: effect of all. Today we're going to talk about out
Speaker 1: the movie Hereditary. Also way back in on the Mayo Wars,
Speaker 1: get some follow up on the murder Board. We got
Speaker 1: to update our stories and as always, give us a
Speaker 1: call to four oh for six night or an email.
Speaker 1: This week, I am in Los Angeles, as previously established, UM,
Speaker 1: and we had our first ever Nightcall live show at
Speaker 1: Text Slash Tay Restaurant in Echo Park. It was fabulous.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. We are forever grateful for
Speaker 1: everybody who came out and hung out with us and
Speaker 1: had a weird buffet style French dinner with us. UM.
Speaker 1: It was a cult ritual. I think we just have
Speaker 1: to set spoiler alert. We made everyone stand and repeat
Speaker 1: a pledge to Satan and our podcast. You know, Test
Speaker 1: was not as comfortable with a hailing Satan as aspected that.
Speaker 1: I was shocked by how uncomfortable Catholic jumped out, classic
Speaker 1: jumped out. I said it did. I went home and
Speaker 1: I staged myself and I was I like, cleansed my aura.
Speaker 1: I felt really it was weird in the abstract. I'm
Speaker 1: totally fine with that. Uh. And then when it was
Speaker 1: my mouth having to say words, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do. That's how I fell
Speaker 1: after watching Hereditary last night. I was like, that was
Speaker 1: evil and I needed to take like a silk word
Speaker 1: shower in rose Quarts right now, say it. We're not there, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get there. We were very grateful for everyone who came,
Speaker 1: and especially everybody you know who stayed as we d
Speaker 1: J and party and our special guest, Ryan Johnson came
Speaker 1: to talk to us about The Exorcists and other satanic
Speaker 1: evil films. Yeah, Ryan Johnson told us about other horror
Speaker 1: movies he wasn't allowed to watch as a kid, since
Speaker 1: we found out he was forbidden from watching movies because
Speaker 1: of Christianity, as was Emily. Ryan wasn't it Ryan couldn't
Speaker 1: watch Readers of the Lost Arc because it was it
Speaker 1: was dark sided, I know, but it's it was a
Speaker 1: shocking revelation. Yeah, it is. It does really explain a
Speaker 1: lot about I mean, but of the Lost Arc, like
Speaker 1: believes that the Ark of the Covenant, like it was
Speaker 1: a thing that exists, you know, like, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: melts your face if you get too close to it. Well,
Speaker 1: I believe that if you're evil, that is um, if
Speaker 1: you are a Nazi, But I also feel like being
Speaker 1: having raised with the Lost Dark withheld from you. If
Speaker 1: somebody was like, you can't see that movie because it
Speaker 1: will melt your face off, of course, then you would
Speaker 1: see it. The Forbidden Fruit, forbidden the ar face smelt um.
Speaker 1: We have a call, a night call that we wanted
Speaker 1: to start off with, just to jump off of what
Speaker 1: Molly and Tests were discussing last week when I was
Speaker 1: away men Men was Emily. It was in Venice and
Speaker 1: Tessa and I took that opportunity. We were going to
Speaker 1: have a discussion about asses and what the best sauces,
Speaker 1: and we just ended up talking about mayonnaise for like
Speaker 1: the whole time. It's a hot topic right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're saying like when we left, were like we
Speaker 1: didn't even get into hot sauce at all. That was
Speaker 1: one of the main things we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: is how the best sauce that we both agree is
Speaker 1: the best sauces Crystal sauce. Okay, I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask what Crystal hot sauce because it
Speaker 1: has the hip tang, which is a term that we
Speaker 1: learned from Dr John when he was on what Top Chef. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on Top Chef and they did a make
Speaker 1: a hot Sauce competition. He was like, the thing that
Speaker 1: makes a hot sauce good is that hip tang, which
Speaker 1: is vinegar. It's like a tang. I would say that.
Speaker 1: I would say Crystal gets that right, But Tabasco also
Speaker 1: is extremely vinegree and I think that that it kills it.
Speaker 1: Tabasco is not as good as Crystal. That is our
Speaker 1: because you can't use as much with Crystal. You can
Speaker 1: really dump that sauce. Well, before we get into this
Speaker 1: sauce question, can I just also read a follow up
Speaker 1: text we got from Andrew t about sauce. He says,
Speaker 1: I almost put my head through the windshield when TESTS
Speaker 1: called black vinegar that sauce they have a Dent'tai fung
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, And then he said, whoops, should have saved
Speaker 1: my outrage for the ponds versus soy sauce take. Oh sorry, Andrew,
Speaker 1: what was the versus soy sauce take? Well, I think
Speaker 1: that's pons was better. Well, here's when I said, I
Speaker 1: wasn't calling the black vinegar the sauce they have a
Speaker 1: Dent'tai fung I was referring to the trinity of the
Speaker 1: soy sauce they have at didn't there's everybody knows like
Speaker 1: there are. It's the combination of what they offer with
Speaker 1: the ginger soy and black vinegar, right, and black vinegar
Speaker 1: is not easy to come by at most, you know,
Speaker 1: like Welson White Person markets, So you go out of
Speaker 1: your way to get the black soy sauce. But then
Speaker 1: it's also like you're you're having to go to a
Speaker 1: lot of effort to get the ginger. You know, you
Speaker 1: have to get the strategy, have all the elements to
Speaker 1: make the most delicious dumpling sauce in the world. That
Speaker 1: is the the combination of all the things they have.
Speaker 1: It's so what I'm referring to is the ease of
Speaker 1: having all those things in one place. I agree that
Speaker 1: black vinegar is its own thing, but I would not
Speaker 1: put black vinegar on the same level as the sauce
Speaker 1: that you make at Dn'tai Fun or any good restaurant
Speaker 1: in the San Gabriel Valley where it's like Din'tai Fung
Speaker 1: is a place that we've all gone correct, except I
Speaker 1: sometimes I have a hard time remembering if I've actually gone,
Speaker 1: because I've gone to wait in the line many more
Speaker 1: times than I've actually eaten there because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's do this and giving up like halfway through. Emily,
Speaker 1: what's your number one sauce? Um? My number one sauce
Speaker 1: is probably like Q mayonnaise, Like do you just squirt
Speaker 1: it on stuff? Yeah? Well, my take on mayonnaise is
Speaker 1: that I think I think right now everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: how it's like the whitest condiment, but like Asian people
Speaker 1: go for mayonnaise and do mayonnaise better than I think
Speaker 1: most europe and cultures who can't see my fingers right now,
Speaker 1: the superior it is it is is more it's got
Speaker 1: more that that hip tang in it um cup mayonnaise
Speaker 1: on like fried foods on like on like ocono miaki,
Speaker 1: which is like the like cabbage pancake is like one
Speaker 1: of the best delights to man. Kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of like when you get Belgian fries and there's an
Speaker 1: aoli if you took out the garlic but kept the
Speaker 1: like yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a very good way to think.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a flavor that overwhelms the mayonnaise.
Speaker 1: The mayonnis has to be a vehicle for some other flavor.
Speaker 1: It can't just be oh, you know what else. There's
Speaker 1: a good one. And I couldn't believe you guys didn't
Speaker 1: bring this up because you said the words spread several times.
Speaker 1: But the spread at in and Out Burger. But that's
Speaker 1: thousand Island, I know, but it's called spread. Hey, can
Speaker 1: I tell you guys a secret? Though? So the Bob's
Speaker 1: Big Boy thousand Island is so far superior to the
Speaker 1: In and Out spread that I remember you were talking about, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got a grip of thousand Islands, so you can
Speaker 1: only get it's it's a refrigerated sauce but I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that Bob's Big Boy. If you get it,
Speaker 1: it's in the refrigerated. Island doesn't have a long shelf life.
Speaker 1: I buy like seven of those, and then you can
Speaker 1: get your burger from In and Out and it makes
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it elevates it. Do you bring back
Speaker 1: the burger and put the sauce on at home? Do
Speaker 1: you go to In and Out and then you just
Speaker 1: have like a container of Thousand Island in your purse
Speaker 1: that you pull out. I have not because it's not
Speaker 1: shelf stable. Otherwise thousand Island in your bags. This is
Speaker 1: probably a really basic question. But its Thousand Island like
Speaker 1: catch up in mayonnaise and relish mixed together, essentially, but
Speaker 1: it's more sugary. I find, like, you know, you try
Speaker 1: and make it at home, it doesn't capture you know what.
Speaker 1: I like. Fucking great read is like the superior Thousand
Speaker 1: Island to my mind. Well, it has a time and
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Speaker 1: get the email to this email. Yeah, this email comes
Speaker 1: from Megan, Hello, Molly, Tess, and Emily. I agree with
Speaker 1: Molly's opinions about mayo, and I find that I will
Speaker 1: only eat dishes with well hidden mayo. I'm from Iowa
Speaker 1: and grew up around a lot of mayonnaise based foods.
Speaker 1: I once went to a funeral of a distant relative.
Speaker 1: They served kinds of salad sandwiches like chicken salad, egg salad,
Speaker 1: ham salad, etcetera. I ate the top three rolls and
Speaker 1: didn't touch the mayo salads. This is getting along, but
Speaker 1: my main point is miracle whip. My sister loves mayonnaise
Speaker 1: but hates miracle whip. A quick Google surgeonfor me that
Speaker 1: miracle whip was created in ne by Craft as a
Speaker 1: less expensive alternative to mayonnaise. My sister will not touch
Speaker 1: miracle whip and will even avoid restaurants if she knows
Speaker 1: they use miracle whip. Any thoughts about the sauce that
Speaker 1: has been called boiled dressing or salad dressing? Spread? Also,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of snickers salad? We've had it
Speaker 1: at my grand Grandpa's house growing up. I've attached the
Speaker 1: recipe here, which we will add to the notes on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I want to know what salad to start off? Well, first,
Speaker 1: talk amongst yourselves. Well, so I um, as some of
Speaker 1: our listeners may know. UM, I'm also from Iowa. I
Speaker 1: worked in the deli, the grocery deli at our grocery,
Speaker 1: at our grocery store, and I was city for about
Speaker 1: a year. Um and it involved sling in mayonnaise based um,
Speaker 1: potato salads and ham salad is the worst. Ham salas
Speaker 1: pink is the worst idea for food and I and
Speaker 1: I am not opposed to chicken salad. I think I
Speaker 1: think it could be quite good. Ham salad is the
Speaker 1: funniest term in the world. Have ham salad, mall I
Speaker 1: have have hams. I have seen it. I once made
Speaker 1: friend of the podcast Max Selvestry. Take a bite of
Speaker 1: a ham salad sandwich and then spit it up into
Speaker 1: our other friend's hand for a film I made. Well,
Speaker 1: so this is this is the technical thing I want
Speaker 1: to get into here, which is that, um, we had
Speaker 1: giant vats of mayonnaise, of course because this is a
Speaker 1: grocery store in the Midwest, but we all have to
Speaker 1: make the salads. There was actually a different substance that
Speaker 1: you use as the base for it that was called
Speaker 1: salad dressing that was also white and basically was I
Speaker 1: think it was basically miracle whip, but it was a
Speaker 1: little more runny, yeah, um, and and not quite I
Speaker 1: think you had a more tang to it too. There's
Speaker 1: a British thing called salad cream. Yeah, yeah, that I
Speaker 1: feel like falls into this category. It's somewhere between like
Speaker 1: a runny sour cream and mayonnaise. It's also the idea
Speaker 1: of you, just like mayonnaise is your salad dressing. You
Speaker 1: just want like a runny mayonnaise for your salad, haven't
Speaker 1: Haven't you ever mixed up of salad dressing from some
Speaker 1: mayonnaise and mustard and like vinegar and stuff. It's great,
Speaker 1: that's really good. I'm gonna tell you really quick about
Speaker 1: snicker salad. So this is from Taste of Home magazine.
Speaker 1: The recipe candy bar apple salad. This creamy sweet snicker
Speaker 1: salad with crisp apple crunch is a real people pleaser. It.
Speaker 1: Oh you'll you'll see. It makes a lot, which is
Speaker 1: good because it will go fast. One and a half
Speaker 1: called two milk, one package instant vanilla pudding mix, one
Speaker 1: carton frozen whip topping thought, four large apples chopped, four
Speaker 1: Snickers candy bars cut into one of finch pieces. Well,
Speaker 1: I got to eat that fruit somehow. I don't even
Speaker 1: understand what that would make. So that's like, that's like
Speaker 1: gutting apple. It's like a thoroughly bastardized Waldora. But Waldor
Speaker 1: doesn't have candy. It's just like apples. It's like the
Speaker 1: Snickers is your nuts portion and it's kind of mayonnaise.
Speaker 1: You have pudding. Yeah, it's real. Seventies dinner party, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: seventies dinner party. Shout out to one of our favorite
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts that Justice all stuff like that. Um, youre
Speaker 1: talked about it not mayonnaise. Yeah, we should talk about
Speaker 1: not mayonnaise, and it is. It's awful it belongs to nowhere.
Speaker 1: You know. I also worked in the cafeteria, and I
Speaker 1: want to know, like my main experience of working with
Speaker 1: bulk food was that it would like put me off
Speaker 1: some things forever, you know, Yes, like it did. It
Speaker 1: put me off a fried chicken forever because I had
Speaker 1: to fry the chi right. Like the fact that you
Speaker 1: dealt with big vats of mayonnaise and came out of
Speaker 1: it just like pro mayonnaise. Well I didn't at that time.
Speaker 1: I was not that big of a mannaise fan. What
Speaker 1: got me into mayonnaise? This is again my argument for
Speaker 1: why mayonnaise is not necessarily the widest food ever. I
Speaker 1: like this argument was one going to six Flags when
Speaker 1: I used to like work with these kids like at
Speaker 1: this after school program, most of whom were Hispanic, Um
Speaker 1: and Mexican, and they would they introduced me to the
Speaker 1: joy of getting like a cone of French fries and
Speaker 1: dumping mayonnaise and hot sauce all over him, which I
Speaker 1: hated mayonnaise before that, And I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is this is like Belgian, but like on a different level.
Speaker 1: Like you're right, so there's also like there's mayonnaise on
Speaker 1: a lotus, there's like, yeah, argumently like mayonnaise is used widely.
Speaker 1: I I'm not. I'm not trying to make like a
Speaker 1: grand objective argument against it. I'm just saying, like, subjectively,
Speaker 1: to me, it tastes bad the way that to you,
Speaker 1: Emily an even more controversial opinion you like, don't eat cheat,
Speaker 1: which is like, but to you, cheese, like all cheese
Speaker 1: like just doesn't taste good. It doesn't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the idea of cheese, but I can't personally do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get other people on my wave.
Speaker 1: Like you said something once who you were like, I
Speaker 1: think I don't know if you were talking to the
Speaker 1: thirty Rock episode. We were like, yeah, other people talk
Speaker 1: like you know how other people just will like eat
Speaker 1: a whole block of cheese at night. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you? I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You were like, I can't imagine ever doing that, Like
Speaker 1: what is that like? And I was like that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you eat a block of cheese at night? I
Speaker 1: eat cheese, yeah, But like I am lactose intolerant. I
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I just I just you know, Chase
Speaker 1: the cheese Dragon. I'm on Craft's website right now and
Speaker 1: they have reviews of Miracle Whip um and wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody contacted them about Okay, this new blend is now
Speaker 1: sty It is still labeled the original, however it is
Speaker 1: far from it. Check the ingredients. If you have an
Speaker 1: old bottle around versus a new one. The old bottles
Speaker 1: say salad dressing on them. The new something about creamy
Speaker 1: mayonnaise taste. I for one, will never purchase Miracle Whip
Speaker 1: again and its current mix. Yeah no, And others may
Speaker 1: they follow your example, like let's drive out the Miracle Whip.
Speaker 1: The other thing about Miracle Whip is it is full
Speaker 1: of sugar um and it. I think that because it
Speaker 1: was supposed to have like less the fat, less fat
Speaker 1: or something in the mayonnaise. But I think it's just
Speaker 1: like like eating. There's got to be people who like
Speaker 1: miracle It better than mayonnaise though, just because they like
Speaker 1: enjoy the taste of it. But there is no taste.
Speaker 1: Is it the point? Right? But you know some people
Speaker 1: like they just want the want the moisture. You want
Speaker 1: them it is ham lotion. It is Oh, you guys
Speaker 1: are really selling it to me, Hey, I some delicious hamleh,
Speaker 1: just right. I think I think we have now eve
Speaker 1: good time to talk about other things that they feel like.
Speaker 1: I was going to throw up for two hours, guys.
Speaker 1: Hereditary is now out on video on demand. I was
Speaker 1: counting the days I've been so excited we're talking about
Speaker 1: this movie and when it came out in theaters, which
Speaker 1: must have been in the spirit it was over the summer,
Speaker 1: and the early summer time is such a roller coaster
Speaker 1: right now, who can tell, but yeah, I was. We
Speaker 1: were tests was like definitely doing a watch clock of
Speaker 1: how many days were left until this movie came out?
Speaker 1: And then she watched it, and then y'all were like, Molly,
Speaker 1: you have to watch it, and then it did. You
Speaker 1: kind of volunteered. I well, I was very profoundly disturbed
Speaker 1: by her editory, but I loved it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to force her to watch it now.
Speaker 1: You had a diplomatic way of putting than it was
Speaker 1: also like I don't want to be the person who
Speaker 1: didn't see the movie, and like I managed to not
Speaker 1: get spoilers for it until now I should just watch it.
Speaker 1: And then I couldn't convince my boyfriend watching with me,
Speaker 1: so I watched it alone and that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: So Hereditary, Uh isn't interesting. So we were talking before
Speaker 1: we started recording the podcast about how Hereditary is the
Speaker 1: first feature length film from Ari asked story believe is
Speaker 1: his name and he was known for two really controversial
Speaker 1: shorts that he did um before Hereditary, one of them Munchausen,
Speaker 1: which deals with a problematic mother child relationship. One of them,
Speaker 1: I think it's called The Strange Thing About the Johnson's
Speaker 1: which was his a f I thesis um, which is
Speaker 1: spoiler just look it up if you're but just is yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. Perhaps he makes movies about familial horror, which
Speaker 1: is probably our favorite genre of horror. I think it's
Speaker 1: the most affecting genre sub genre horror. I would stay
Speaker 1: you're talking about it's like The Exorcist? Is that? And
Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby? Is that? The shining is that all of
Speaker 1: these things are about parental ship. Guys, I've never seen politic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just know that the parents smoke
Speaker 1: pot and that it's like a chill, a chill movie. Well,
Speaker 1: very chill chill. Ye Should I watch it? Yes? It's
Speaker 1: so goody we just do a horror movie like every
Speaker 1: week until the end of Halloween season, because it's already
Speaker 1: begun as far as I'm concerned, let's do it. Last
Speaker 1: week after the podcast, I walked to the Halloween store
Speaker 1: in the old Circuit City down the street. That was
Speaker 1: like the Me and some other people were like the
Speaker 1: first people in the Halloween store, Like, hey, great, it's
Speaker 1: September seven. Um, so I was ready for Hereditary. So
Speaker 1: Hereditary Um. I did not see it at Sundance, and
Speaker 1: it was there, but it was one that everybody like,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Now Sundance is like the best place,
Speaker 1: Like it's iffy on other things coming out of there,
Speaker 1: but like all the horror stuff that comes out tends
Speaker 1: to be pretty a plus, there's so much good horror
Speaker 1: coming in general. And my friend um Um Aaron also
Speaker 1: co wrote the other good horror film that came out
Speaker 1: of it this coming out this week, I think um
Speaker 1: called Many with Nick Cage in it. I watched the
Speaker 1: trailer for that also, and it also seems like it's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just people are tad time horror
Speaker 1: a good time for horror. I mean, I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of debate within horror about the sort of
Speaker 1: art house horror. Well, yeah, I kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit because I think that
Speaker 1: a lot like after this film came out and the
Speaker 1: first wave of people saw it, and people talked a
Speaker 1: lot about how like it's not like a dumb horror movie, right,
Speaker 1: which the people it's like, all the good horror movies
Speaker 1: are smart. Also, I mean, if you like horror films,
Speaker 1: like there are some that are clearly made with a
Speaker 1: bigger budget or with producers who can get like fancy
Speaker 1: actors like Toni Collett and Gabriel Burne, and then there
Speaker 1: are ones that don't and doesn't really actually reflect that
Speaker 1: much on the premise or the ability to be scared.
Speaker 1: You know what producers got those stars Tony Clette and
Speaker 1: Gabrielle burn Um. Tony Collette is so amazing in this film.
Speaker 1: It cannot be said enough. Um, I think that this
Speaker 1: film worked better for you guys and it did for me.
Speaker 1: I really like it and I appreciate and I think
Speaker 1: it's very smart and well made. Um. But I think
Speaker 1: that we can all agree that Tony Collette is just like,
Speaker 1: like there's I haven't seen a more, a more performance.
Speaker 1: All the performances were great in this movie, though, and
Speaker 1: I mean I thought that they were really like the
Speaker 1: girl whose name is Millie and I forget her last name,
Speaker 1: who she originated the phenomenal um in it as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody in this movie really carries their load.
Speaker 1: Also thought it was funny she originated Matilda because then
Speaker 1: they contact her through the seance and there's like chalk
Speaker 1: writing on a chalkboard. Spoiler, we're gonna maybe movie. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much we should spoil it necessarily, but
Speaker 1: we'll we'll, we'll feel she was not the one who
Speaker 1: communicated viat chalkboard. She was. There's a there's another person
Speaker 1: beyond Yeah. Um, we all like Natt Wolf. Alex Wolf,
Speaker 1: one of the Wolf brothers, one of the Naked Brother's
Speaker 1: band brothers selling is Alex Wolf. They're both in movies. Uh,
Speaker 1: he plays the Sun. He was really great. Gabriel Byrne
Speaker 1: is really great. Tony Clatt, we were saying, like she
Speaker 1: should have the Tilda Swinton level of fandom from people
Speaker 1: because she's she's the mom of this family. Um, she's
Speaker 1: an artist who does miniature. So we're saying it was
Speaker 1: like a side cold to tiny furniture. But um, I
Speaker 1: love miniature stuff. I love like shooting miniature stuff on
Speaker 1: film and that depth of focus, like I I like
Speaker 1: a lot. But there is something unsettling about it and
Speaker 1: I've never seen it used to like a horror purpose
Speaker 1: and the same it was used very well. It was
Speaker 1: like using the tweenness of it to be creepy. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so she her mom has died and her mom had
Speaker 1: this like special bond with her daughter, and so they're
Speaker 1: doing the funeral in the wake and everything, and um,
Speaker 1: and the daughter is kind of not dealing with It's
Speaker 1: like hard. I mean, the daughter is a how would
Speaker 1: you describe the daughter is evidently disturbed? Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: does a has a tick where she goes like a
Speaker 1: daughter is disturbed. And the actress who plays her is
Speaker 1: very interesting looking and has a very memorable face. And
Speaker 1: and then they're like some twists that you don't see
Speaker 1: coming that I just thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: a totally different movie. Um. It was reminded me also
Speaker 1: of Get Out in that it was like what I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be was so different from
Speaker 1: what it ended up being. We'll just also like it
Speaker 1: went in places that like I hadn't didn't see before,
Speaker 1: it didn't see come right. It has that feeling that
Speaker 1: I think makes it more scary where there's not a
Speaker 1: symmetry to it that there is for a lot of
Speaker 1: horror films where like everything you plant at the beginning
Speaker 1: ends up kind of like coming back, and some like
Speaker 1: a way that you could appreciate it is being clever
Speaker 1: or something something that does happen but then makes you
Speaker 1: want to unsettled. Well, I thought, what was interesting. My
Speaker 1: husband keeps being like, let's watch it again and find
Speaker 1: all these hidden because there's a lot of hidden symbolism
Speaker 1: and stuff. But one thing that I almost missed was
Speaker 1: that in the Brother whose character's name is Peter, in
Speaker 1: his high school class, they're talking about Greek mythology, and
Speaker 1: in an interview, and I think maybe variety um, the
Speaker 1: filmmaker was saying how he was really into the idea
Speaker 1: of in Greek tragedies, how little kind of autonomy the
Speaker 1: characters have, how they're just kind of pulled along by
Speaker 1: fate and they can't really change the outcome of their story.
Speaker 1: And so he said that this was kind of a
Speaker 1: story about characters who despite anything they did to try
Speaker 1: to correct the course, the outcome was already predestined. You
Speaker 1: were just kind of caught in this you know system um,
Speaker 1: which is super interesting when you think about it too,
Speaker 1: in terms of there are obvious connections between like the
Speaker 1: hereditary kind of curse if you will, that has been
Speaker 1: you know, put on this family by this matriarch who died,
Speaker 1: but also um. Tony Collette's character talks a lot about
Speaker 1: how mental illness in her family has kind of like
Speaker 1: caused all this trauma. She has two kids, and she's
Speaker 1: you know, clearly kind of talking about the hereditary nature
Speaker 1: of you know, the trauma well, like the trauma inflicted
Speaker 1: by like the death of her mom, who was secretive
Speaker 1: and crazy, and also just like the genetics, right, it
Speaker 1: gets away with both being a metaphor and actually the thing,
Speaker 1: which is great because then there they're the boundary between
Speaker 1: the two is so fuzzy that when you're thinking about
Speaker 1: it on your own, you're like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you've known anybody who's dealt who's dealt with the
Speaker 1: like realistic half of it, and you're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: that makes it like so much more. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just gets under your skin more. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what the I mean. I know you guys weren't super
Speaker 1: into it, but Sharp Objects also was very into a
Speaker 1: lot of the same territory of just like inherited sorrow, inherited, Yeah,
Speaker 1: inherited issues and like you know, acknowledging them and then
Speaker 1: changing them or like repressing them and then also not
Speaker 1: being able to change them, and yeah, just sort of
Speaker 1: like you don't get to choose. What do you guys
Speaker 1: make of the discrepancy between the critical reviews of Hereditary
Speaker 1: and the audience it stemas score, it got a D plus,
Speaker 1: but on Rotten Tomatoes it got like a ninety or so.
Speaker 1: It became like a viral hit, like it went wide
Speaker 1: really fast. I think it made the most of any
Speaker 1: a two forms. I think I thought it was more
Speaker 1: of like a conjuring type like jump scares movie. I
Speaker 1: thought the whole movie was going to be about the
Speaker 1: creepy little girl and her like becoming the grandmother or something,
Speaker 1: and then that's not what it was at all, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm not Maybe they did one unlimited release like
Speaker 1: New York l A. But I think they very very
Speaker 1: quickly went wide, and I don't think it was. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was a box office thing. I think
Speaker 1: it was that they just knew they wanted to release
Speaker 1: it to it because I remember being in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: like the second week it was out, and seeing it
Speaker 1: at like a multiplex there, like I think it went
Speaker 1: and I think I think it was one of those
Speaker 1: ones where they just like built the right kind of
Speaker 1: word amount of mouth about it, and then by the
Speaker 1: time people actually saw it, you know, some people were
Speaker 1: disappointed because it ended it made them feel worse than
Speaker 1: they were prepared to be. Another like low cinema score
Speaker 1: film that I think is fantastic and like maybe not
Speaker 1: even a horror film necessarily, but certainly a spooky film
Speaker 1: is The Witch, which is like another you know, I
Speaker 1: think all of us probably are in the category of
Speaker 1: liking like spooky, psychological horror, not not completely like the Expense,
Speaker 1: like I also like slasher films. I definitely like tuned
Speaker 1: out of horror during the Torture Porn Pass because it
Speaker 1: wasn't for me. But then I like, I think the
Speaker 1: first saw A movie is good, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing gimmicky in this movie that relates it to like
Speaker 1: other types of horror. I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 1: to dissect, and I think, I mean, it reminded me
Speaker 1: a little bit of It Follows, which I understand. I'm
Speaker 1: like very basic for loving it follow But it's good.
Speaker 1: But if you unpack it for a lot, like a
Speaker 1: much longer time than you can unpack most recent horror,
Speaker 1: it just builds all this dread and then it releases
Speaker 1: it all at the end, but then you still feel
Speaker 1: really bad. I was saying. The movie it also felt
Speaker 1: like to me was a serious man, which was another
Speaker 1: movie I made the mistake of like watching alone, you know,
Speaker 1: And then I was like just sitting there, like I
Speaker 1: just want like to hug like anyone, Like I feel
Speaker 1: so bad right now. I think there's something Maybe this
Speaker 1: is a part where we can spoil it briefly, or
Speaker 1: we can tell people to let's say spoilers starting now.
Speaker 1: So I I thought it was interesting to think about
Speaker 1: Hereditary as it compared to The Witch actually and sort
Speaker 1: of other general narratives that have been going on right
Speaker 1: now in horror, and this like idea of this kid
Speaker 1: the boy in this instance, like the sun being the
Speaker 1: like King Payman, the King of Hell or whatever, what's
Speaker 1: this actually, I think the God of Mischief. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a little puzzo man. Yeah. Um. I saw a really
Speaker 1: amazing fan art done of King Payman, like recently online
Speaker 1: that was very spooky and good. And then something like
Speaker 1: as opposed to The Witch, where it's also about an
Speaker 1: adolescent girl this time who kind of discovers that she
Speaker 1: has satanic or cult powers or potential or something like that.
Speaker 1: But I think the end of The Witch is much
Speaker 1: more almost victorious in a way. Um, even if it
Speaker 1: is a little bit like if it has a dark
Speaker 1: side to it, it not, it doesn't color the entire
Speaker 1: way that the ending of that film feels um. And
Speaker 1: also frankly, the ending of The New Susperia feels um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that, like the story about
Speaker 1: the boy who comes from this cursed family and has
Speaker 1: this destiny to be this like demonic leader or god
Speaker 1: figure or something that feels like he's just fucked as
Speaker 1: opposed to like, yes, girl like flame that crown, like
Speaker 1: cover yourself in blood, Like I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's super interesting. And what if I a little bit
Speaker 1: though it was like yes, queenly you did it well.
Speaker 1: My husband after we watched it and before he suggested
Speaker 1: we see it again and I was just like no. Um.
Speaker 1: We looked at paim On and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's you know, kind of like a you know, trickster.
Speaker 1: And he was like, maybe what this is really about
Speaker 1: is like the mind playing tricks on the character of
Speaker 1: Peter the Sun, and that the whole thing is really
Speaker 1: just about you know, his kind of like nervous breakdown
Speaker 1: and spoiler spoiler, spoiler spoiler, like he murders his family
Speaker 1: and then like has basically had a complete psychotic break
Speaker 1: and the final scene, which everybody was very divided, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who didn't like the
Speaker 1: movie kind of point to the final scene as being
Speaker 1: too heavy on exposition and stuff like that. But what
Speaker 1: if that scene is not what it is, but it's
Speaker 1: just him completely breaking with reality and in a way,
Speaker 1: the Treehouse, how you know, she deals in miniatures inside
Speaker 1: this house that's kind of like this weird like a
Speaker 1: lot of hallways and little rooms, and then there's the treehouse,
Speaker 1: which is small and it's a single room and it's
Speaker 1: usually lit up red. What if that doesn't actually exist?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like a realm unto itself where
Speaker 1: people go to be crazy. Essentially, well, there's yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like the moment when like Peter looks in the reflection
Speaker 1: and it's like he's very settle and takes me out
Speaker 1: very bad. I mean, it ends up being Peter's story,
Speaker 1: despite him having the least to do for most. Now
Speaker 1: you think it's going to be all about Charlie and
Speaker 1: then spoiler alert, Charlie gets dispatched with Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that was so intense. Um. I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think the thing about Greek mythology is super interesting and
Speaker 1: that it is so also not away that movies now,
Speaker 1: especially horror movies, tend to work. But maybe that's one
Speaker 1: of the big differences between what people are calling artie
Speaker 1: horror movies and non artie horror movies is the agency
Speaker 1: of the hero. This makes the Shining team upbeat though,
Speaker 1: because at the Shining they get away. At the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very downer movie. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: in the Shining it's like he ends up that it's
Speaker 1: like he's just fucked. Jack is just like stuck there,
Speaker 1: but the other people get away. This is like, no,
Speaker 1: you're fucked. And nobody else can escape, especially your fans,
Speaker 1: specially your family. Well, because that was so much fun,
Speaker 1: maybe we should have to take a time to have
Speaker 1: an update on a question that was called in a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago that we've all been mulling over. Now
Speaker 1: for some real life murder. Yeah, alright, so here is
Speaker 1: a nightcall update. Hey guys, this is Jazz the woodworker
Speaker 1: who apparently has now become known as the guy with
Speaker 1: the murder board, um cralling to give you an update.
Speaker 1: I guess. Uh. I listen to the show and all
Speaker 1: the advice you had in the commentary, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot to think about. I really appreciated that I had
Speaker 1: no idea that you're fans were going to get so
Speaker 1: interested in start having polls and things. But anyway, just
Speaker 1: to clear up a couple of things. Um, A lot
Speaker 1: of people asked about it, was it unsolved? Uh No,
Speaker 1: the murder was not unsolved. The person who did it
Speaker 1: was in the house when the police are. They were
Speaker 1: found like immediately, So it's not a thing where you can,
Speaker 1: you know, solve the mystery and be like Nancy True
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. I guess. The other update is that
Speaker 1: I did decide to take the job. Uh. After listening
Speaker 1: to a lot of feedback, including yours. Um, so that's
Speaker 1: pretty much it. I got a couple of things in
Speaker 1: front of it, and I already told them it's going
Speaker 1: to take a probably at least two months. But I
Speaker 1: will try to email you some pictures when it's done. No,
Speaker 1: I do not think I am opening a portal of
Speaker 1: death to anything. I you know, And as far as
Speaker 1: the questions about the wood that was used, no, I
Speaker 1: cannot prove that that would have blood on it. It
Speaker 1: has weird discolorations. I'll send you a picture. Uh, but again,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a paying customer. And how much I
Speaker 1: believe in it, I don't know. Hopefully my next call
Speaker 1: will not involve my basement turning into like an Indian
Speaker 1: gerald ground with you know, two stones coming up to
Speaker 1: the floor. But that's pretty much it. And you know,
Speaker 1: thanks for answering question and take care. Jed, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the update. I really hope we didn't
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. No, thank you for the update.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is great. This is our second
Speaker 1: actual I don't want to call it a case because
Speaker 1: we didn't solve anything. It's a mystery. Kind of after
Speaker 1: the mystery of the ice cream track ghost, which we
Speaker 1: did solve this and the family texted us the same
Speaker 1: ice cream track. Yeah, I passed by an ice cream
Speaker 1: chuck that made the Hello sound scary inchronicity guys. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm glad Dad that you're getting that money. Um. I
Speaker 1: am glad that they caught the perpetrator of the Grizzly murder. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was I think that was probably our biggest piece
Speaker 1: of miss information. So I'm glad that we have that
Speaker 1: now and I look forward to seeing the results. Molly, Guys,
Speaker 1: you know what you'll say. That's what I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm such a hypocrite because I'm the person
Speaker 1: who's don't do it. But then I made everybody say,
Speaker 1: Hale Satan, you did because I'm just a cavalier. Well,
Speaker 1: I I sensed that it was not a bloody piece
Speaker 1: of wood from his call. I think that I feel
Speaker 1: like we wouldn't be having this conversation if it was. No,
Speaker 1: he said it didn't. He literally just say like, I
Speaker 1: can't prove it, but there's discoloration. Now, he said, I
Speaker 1: can't prove the discoloration is blood. He doesn't think it's blood. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't think it's he doesn't necessarily know it's
Speaker 1: not blood. It's just a funky piece of wood. It's
Speaker 1: just a humble woodworker, like the time to make his bread.
Speaker 1: Who played Jake Ryan. We're saying, what if it is
Speaker 1: the guy who played Jake Ryan, because we know he's
Speaker 1: a wood worker. So well, you should tell our listeners
Speaker 1: that we were just talking about sixteen cattles and that's
Speaker 1: where you got Jake Ryan is the name of the
Speaker 1: hot guy, and say, just sound. It was funny to
Speaker 1: talk about people whose professions would working. He's a woodworker.
Speaker 1: Now he retired from acting. He's too hot to have
Speaker 1: retired from acting, but that's the decision. And I went
Speaker 1: to the Magic Castle for a magician swap meat that
Speaker 1: my friend Emma Cunningham, who came to he came to
Speaker 1: Our Lives show. Emma both help set up the stereo
Speaker 1: that sound and did card magic for people. She did
Speaker 1: practical magic and magic for show. Emma and her friend
Speaker 1: and you both did some some strolling card tricks and
Speaker 1: it was the greatest. I was informed that we actually
Speaker 1: interrupted like a really good card trick of the news.
Speaker 1: We just waltzed in and he had to stop his
Speaker 1: card trick, and I felt terrible. It was like, why
Speaker 1: are we even doing a show? We should just let
Speaker 1: our friends practice their card magic. Next time there will
Speaker 1: be more magic. Yeah. But I went to the Magic
Speaker 1: Castle for a swap meat, which was amazing because it
Speaker 1: was all magicians just selling tricks and pamphlets that explained tricks. Um.
Speaker 1: Just none of that exists, exists. They all be as
Speaker 1: they are all doing real magic. Um. But in the
Speaker 1: lobby where you are allowed to take pictures. Um. In
Speaker 1: the gift shop, there was a Wigia board that is
Speaker 1: made of wood from the Magic Castle, and people were like,
Speaker 1: that must be haunted also for sure. But I did
Speaker 1: need a big factor into hereditary as well. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think I just and uh the Exorcist. I think I
Speaker 1: just didn't realize that much that. Um. We also heard
Speaker 1: an amazing story from a friend of the podcast that
Speaker 1: involved a demon possession and a Weijia board. Two different
Speaker 1: demon possession stories. I don't want to say their identity
Speaker 1: in case the demons are looking for them, but well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear about this update. UM, keep us posting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if the Hell portal opens. How does it take too much?
Speaker 1: I guess it's going to be a really nice Augia board. Um,
Speaker 1: he has to do in front of it. He has
Speaker 1: others too, he's queuing in putting in the queue. Also,
Speaker 1: having tried to like do woodworking before, I can imagine
Speaker 1: that that takes a long time. Board actually robot for
Speaker 1: me and he whittled one out of wood and it
Speaker 1: took making a wage. Board does seem like it would
Speaker 1: be like a really fun woodworking project, like as an endeavor,
Speaker 1: because it seems approachable. It's just it's doing that scoring,
Speaker 1: just doing all the letters and stuff in it. That
Speaker 1: would be the time consuming things. Yeah, that's like drawing.
Speaker 1: Maybe someday we'll get a night call wag aboard. Oh
Speaker 1: and speaking of making things on the night call Facebook
Speaker 1: group Night Callers, which you can go find. Uh, if
Speaker 1: you're good at finding things should be easy. But somebody
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we should talk about what merchandise people want,
Speaker 1: and it was just a person a listener said this,
Speaker 1: which I'm very grateful to them for doing. But if
Speaker 1: you have an idea for merchandise, we are starting to
Speaker 1: talk about the possibility of doing merchandise in the future.
Speaker 1: So please weigh in. So far people have suggested Fannie
Speaker 1: packs and bike shorts, and we think both of those
Speaker 1: are great ideas. Him and I'm all into branded board
Speaker 1: games for things. Should be easy to make those. We
Speaker 1: just have to figure out the rules of our own game.
Speaker 1: And what about a night card Tarot deck, Night Cards?
Speaker 1: Night Cards? Um? Do you guys want to hear some
Speaker 1: comments about mayonnaise that were left on my Instagram? Sure
Speaker 1: you're gonna, You're gonna skew these results, though, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: People are all over the place. Um. Somebody said, I'm
Speaker 1: no Mayo evangelists, but it's a solid and vital condiment.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I would describe it. In front of
Speaker 1: the podcast, Rachel Trio says, I will listen, but honestly,
Speaker 1: Mayo is the devil semen, Rachel, come on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Come on the podcast please. We've been wanting you to
Speaker 1: come on the podcast and we can talk about this too.
Speaker 1: And another person said was surprised how long the sauce
Speaker 1: talk went on for and yet there's so much left
Speaker 1: to be said. Well, actually, speaking of which, I just
Speaker 1: looked at the nightcall Facebook and so far the mayonnaise pool.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about mayonnaise, Baby, Marissa, thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: So the winner so far with three votes. Mayonnaise is
Speaker 1: okay in an altered state, a Oli, doubled eggs, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Mayo is Delicious comes in second to may it is delicious,
Speaker 1: It's coming in second, and Mayo discuss Me only has
Speaker 1: one vote. Wow. Yah. Well, if you take enough acid,
Speaker 1: the mayo comes alive. Well, it's it's base. You need
Speaker 1: your acid and you need your base. Love note. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks for listening, Emily, see you soon. Thank
Speaker 1: you Garden the Sound for having us in your your
Speaker 1: padded booth thrash around and conversationally. As always, if you're
Speaker 1: enjoying the podcast, please rate, review, and subscribe wherever you
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