WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Watch Me Rise 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:04.640 Hig and everybody. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.640 I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.960 Podcast the Watch Me RIU. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:13.120 Edition. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.880 As we spend most of this episode focusing on the 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.079 NFL Draft, Charles Davis from CBS Sports came out with 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.119 his latest mock draft on Thursday. He'll discuss who he 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.240 has the Bengals taking in Round one, along with some 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:33.800 other players who have been frequently mentioned as possible Cincinnati targets. Then, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.040 for the second year in a row, former Bengals scout 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.920 Greg Seaman joins the podcast to share insider stories from 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.199 the fourteen drafts he was involved with in Cincinnati. 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I made the switch from gas 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.000 to electric when it comes to my lawnmower, and I've 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.600 got to tell you it's awesome. I don't have a 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.800 huge yard, so the one hour run time on a 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.680 charged battery is plenty. The lawnmower is self propelled, so 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.400 I barely have to push it, and you can fold 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.240 it up and set it on its end for super 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.840 convenient storage. I'll sum up my review of my new 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:59.240 battery powered lawnmower very simply. I can't wait to mow again. 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:04.000 Now time for our first guest. We're less than two 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:05.960 weeks away from the NFL Draft, and one of my 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.480 favorite experts is Charles Davis, who calls games for CBS 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.400 but also serves as an analyst for the NFL networks 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.239 coverage of the Senior Bowl, the Combine, and all seven 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.520 rounds of the draft. On Friday, we discussed the draft 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.800 as well as the Bengals moves in free agency. Charles, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.960 this is great timing because you just came out with 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.560 your second mock draft yesterday for NFL dot Com. You 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.000 have the Bengals selecting cornerback of Manual Forbes from Mississippi State. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.800 He's getting a top thirty visit from the Bengals, so 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.440 the team is definitely interested in him. He had incredible 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:49.760 stats fourteen interceptions at NCAA record, six pick sixes. He's tall, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.880 he's six to one, He's got long arms more than 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.480 thirty two inches. He's fast, he runs a four to 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:59.000 three to five forty. But there's a butt one hundred 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.480 and sixty six pounds, which makes him something of a 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:07.400 polarizing draft pick or potential draft pick. Share your thoughts 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.919 on a manual Forbes, Dan, you. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:14.240 Laid it out perfectly. Everything that I like about him. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.200 You talked about the butt is the biggest thing going, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.320 because I will I can imagine in draft rooms across 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.880 the NFL when his name comes up, the positives just 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.120 pile up and then the fistfight starts. About one hundred 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.680 and sixty six pound corner, Now that's what he weighed 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.240 at the combine. He did get it up to one 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.640 seventy at his pro day. Damn all right, right direction, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.520 that would be the lightest corner that we could think 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.600 of in recent times, and we've talked about small players 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.760 coming into the league. Nikel Roby Coleman, right, the diminutive 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.320 slot cornerback that has played fairly well in this league. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.280 He weighed more than that. Jason Farrett coming out of TCU, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.720 a small corner but an outstanding talent. And to worry 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.680 about him was could he hold up. He hasn't had 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.040 very many seasons where he's been able to hold up, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.480 but when he has, he's been terrific. Kevin Johnson coming 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.800 out of Wake Forest weighed more than that, and the 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.839 number one concern was his slight frame. Can he hold up? 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.920 Devon Witherspoon Illinois coming out this one hundred and eighty 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.760 one pounds at the corner. One of the most fiercest, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.320 fierce hitters that we have coming into the league. But 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.400 again one eighty one. So yeah, when you start talking 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.919 about one sixty six to one seventy, the scratching of 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:40.040 the head, the you know, the handover the face going on, right, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.280 the agony that goes into that. But the thing about 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.800 him is you would figure he would be one of 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.919 those cut tacklers, an ankle biter. He's not. He throws 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.880 his body in with abandon now sometimes the boom doesn't 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.760 meet what you need coming at her, he brings it 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.760 as the best he can, and he tackles pretty darn 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.120 well overall. The reason I put him there, of course, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.160 corner to me is a need with Cincinnati. His ability 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.800 to ball hawk seems to fit quite well with a 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.000 man that runs your defense, lou Anarumo, And I just 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.920 think the fit there, the personality, the way Cincinnati goes 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.440 about its business, I think it matches pretty well in 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.320 terms of this mock draft, although I think there's some 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.960 other places they could easily go. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.400 Do we have any context for the one hundred and 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.000 sixty six to one hundred and seventy pounds? Do we 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.640 know if he tries to put on weight and it's 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.120 just one of these people who can't. Is he somebody 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.520 who really hasn't tried to do it up until this 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.800 point and now will do you know anything along those lines? 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.520 No, but my eyes and just educated guessing and a 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.840 little bit of chatter. You know, we all have that 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:01.000 where we're lucky enough to run in circles Dan where 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.000 you can pick up a phone and call someone and 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.720 see if there's something I can do the same. We're 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.240 lucky that way, right, No one has a definitive answer. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.800 When you look at his frame, you wonder just how 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.080 much he can actually put on, Like some frames are 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.920 built where you go, oh, he can put it on 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.080 twenty five pounds, that'd be a piece of cake and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.919 carry it easily. He doesn't look to me like he 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.760 has the type of frame. He's so wiry, all right. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.400 I feel like Gene Hackman and the Replacements talking about 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.880 their kicker. He's wiring that. I don't know how much 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.760 can actually pack on. He looks like one big, one 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.839 hundred and sixty six pounds long muscle. How much of 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.080 that can pack on? And how much do you want 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.480 before he actually slows down? So that's where we run 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.559 into that with Emmanuel Forbes, and that's a big reason 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.320 why a lot of people would push him to the 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:58.320 second round. But the ballhawking ability taking it away. It's 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.400 the name of the game. You know that as well 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.279 as I do. Is the name of the game. It's 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.800 in the NFL like it has everywhere else. When you 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.960 can limit possessions and create an extra one for your offense, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.920 that's huge in today's NFL, when how many games last 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.080 year were decided by one touchdown or less. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.880 We're visiting with Charles Davis from CBS Sports and the 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.120 NFL Network. So this was your second mock draft for 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.840 NFL dot Com, and the first you had the Bengals 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.400 taking Notre Dame tight end Michael Mayer, the local kid 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.160 from Covington Catholic High School just across the river. In 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.720 your second mock draft, he's not there anymore. You have 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.840 him going twenty sixth to Dallas. If he is there, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.119 would he be your pick? 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 He would be one that I would have in heavy 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.600 consideration because obviously we have to see the rest of 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.440 the board and what happens. I know in my mind, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.720 I keep thinking to myself and maybe you can help 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.960 me with this. I know Jonah Williams hasn't exactly jumped 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.280 up and down and greeted the idea of right tackle 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.320 with open arms. But we're a long way from training camp, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.280 We're a long way from the season. I've heard players 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.400 not be excited about certain assignments. By the time we 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.600 get there, they're ready, you know, they lock in and go. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.720 I feel like, ultimately Jonah Williams will make that move 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.200 to right tackle. So I've not focused as much there 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.920 but don't think for a second offensive lineman couldn't still 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.280 be in consideration. I think running back is a big one, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.560 and if somehow Vjon Robinson got within range, I would 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.240 think Duke Tobin and staff might have a little conversation 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.680 in a huddle because if he gets in range, Dallas 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.920 is gonna have that same conversation. And with the way 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.400 Joe Mixon's offseason has been no more, Sama, JP Ryn, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.320 I you know we've covered the Bengals enough. My crew, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.240 we are a strong believer that Zach Taylor isn't just 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.080 paying lip service because we've seen it. When he can 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.560 run the football, he will run the football. So Vjon 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.120 Robbinson fits that bill as well. But mayor look, I 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.000 said it in my first mock draft. Joe Burrow is 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.800 gonna find you if you're open, and he likes tight 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.240 ends that can get open and play. They're any quarterback's 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.400 best friend. Great site lines, dan right in front of you, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.840 easy pitch and catch yardage, chains, move all those things. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.719 Michael Mayer fits that one. Plus he'll block really well 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:25.440 in the run game. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.480 So this is supposedly a great tight end draft. You 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.880 have Dalton Kincaid from Utah going fifteenth to the Green 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.199 Bay Packers in your most recent mock draft. I think 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.680 the Bengals are going to take at least one in 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:44.240 this draft after Dalton Kincaid and Michael Mayer. Who do 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.440 you like if the Bengals were to take one in 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.040 the second, third, or fourth round. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.840 Well, they got so many options. You know, there's one 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:55.560 out of Miami named Will Mallory that if you think 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.400 the Mallory name in football circles, Bill Mallory, former hit coach, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.600 Mike Mallory. We go right down the line you say Mallory, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.280 everybody's oh Mallory one of those kids, and I think 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.839 he's tested well and probably was underutilized the University of 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:15.440 Miami right right there in the city. Josh Wiley, tight 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.320 end from Cincinnati, had a really good Senior Bowl week. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.960 He's a guy to keep an eye on. Not terribly 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.480 far away. If you go to Purdue, there's a kid 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.280 by name of Payne Durham who got better every day 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.040 at the Senior Bowl and capped it off with a 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.280 terrific game. He is a monster of a tight end. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.320 He's a big, big guy. Dan and I had a 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.360 great chance to chat with him a little bit, and 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.720 I said, hey, I noticed in your background lacrosse. I 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.320 said what position? He said, I was an attack, which 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.000 meant he was bearing down on goalies and scoring goals. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.079 I said, how big were you when you played lacrosse? 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.240 He said pretty much where I am, he said, you know, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.960 give or take. But I was tall and big then. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.000 And I just thought to myself, can you imagine those 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.720 poor lacrosse goalies with that monster pumping at him. He's 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.600 gotten better as he's gone along. Okay, there's a kid 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.120 named Tucker Kraft a San Diego, I mean South Dakota State, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.360 who can play. Is he Dallas Goddard? That's the easy comparison, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.400 same school. I don't think so, But that doesn't mean 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.240 he's not a good football player. And then there's one 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.439 that is starting that is starting to hit Brenton Strange 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.080 from Penn State. Lately. Do you hear more and more 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.320 chatter his ability to catch the football? You know, he 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.840 might be a better pro than a college player. We 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.560 go on forever. There are a bunch of guys in 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.319 that once you start taking them off, it seems like 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.600 there's no shortage of those guys that are available that 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:36.200 you can go. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.000 Get Sam Hubbard, by the way, was one of those 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:43.360 high school giants bearing down on the lacrosse goalie back 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.720 in the day. We're chatting with Charles Davis from CBS. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.320 Let's circle back to right tackle for now. Jonah Williams 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.720 is likely to be the guy who knows. Maybe they'll 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.360 trade him after the draft. Anything's possible. Let's assume that 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.280 Paris Johnson has gone, Peter Skeronsky has gone, I know, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.560 right is gone, Froderick Jones is gone. That would be 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.600 my expectation prior to pick number twenty eight. After that, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.080 Are you a Dewan Jones guy? Are you an Anton 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.959 Harrison guy? How do you like the crop of potential 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.959 right tackles that could play right away? 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.920 Yeah, the top is gonna be Anton Harrison for me. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.560 You know, once you get past that crop. You mentioned Dan, 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:24.920 I think that he's a guy who also is a 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.760 consideration that if the run, if the run really hits, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.520 and someone wants someone And I called the Dwayne Brown example. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.240 Remember the draft when Houston and people, you know, I 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.760 keep telling you know, I tell people, you know, Houston 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.840 used to run the AFC South and people look at 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.960 me like what I say, It wasn't that long ago, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.520 was it? You see how quickly times change? Right, They 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.520 actually traded back into the first round, took Dwayne Brown 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.960 somewhere in the late twenties, I believe, and people are like, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.280 WHOA had a third round? Great on him? How'd that 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.480 work out? I think pretty well. Dwayne Brown's had a career. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.560 He's not a tackle. But remember when Travis Frederick went 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.760 to Dallas in the first round and everyone in the league, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.920 what second round, third round, fourth round? Grade Travis fad 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.760 and get him later guy became an all pro, not 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.719 just a pro bowler and all pro before he had 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.200 to retire early with Giambari syndrome and just didn't have 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.200 the strength to play, but he was a terrific player. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.160 So Anton Harrison is that type of a guy to 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.640 me that if that run happens, and it really happens 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.800 early and people's like, I got to have a tackle, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.520 he becomes that guy from me. Dwan Jones for Ohio State, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.360 I'm just going to tell you that is buyer beware, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:42.559 buyer beware, buyer beware, but never stepped on a scale 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.360 for us. And when I say I'm talking about all 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.280 of us who were interested in it. Never stepped on 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.959 a scale at the Combine, didn't step on a scale 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.840 at his pro day, didn't go through his drills and 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.720 things at his pro day. Was at the Senior Bowl. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.400 Had one good day the first day of practice when 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.320 every pass rusher lost his mind and decided, I'm gonna 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.840 run over the three hundred and sixty pounds man, and 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.960 he just enveloped them all. None of them threw a 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.600 second move, none of them through speed, none of them 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.200 did anything. They just all got ego driven and rushed horribly, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.520 and he just ate them alive. And then he never 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.120 showed up the rest of the week. Didn't see him Wednesday, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.320 didn't see him Thursday, didn't see him on game Deby. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.120 I'm not saying people don't have their reasons, Okay. I 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.160 didn't sit with the young man and say why didn't 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.320 you do this? So he may have something perfectly good, 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.560 but I'm gonna play string it all together for you. Dan. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.760 He did that in mobile. He didn't work out at 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.680 the combine, He didn't work at his pro debt. What 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.880 am I getting? And if you're not getting on that 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.520 scale and I'm looking at you and I'm thinking four 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.280 bills could ring up there somewhere. That's gonna worry me. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.160 And Dion Sanders said something that I've kept in my 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.520 head years ago. He's like, hey, man, you don't eat 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.520 less when you have more money in your pocket. And 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.360 I realize the discipline people handle it right. I don't 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.920 know what I'm getting there. So that's a buyer beware. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.960 Because he has talent, that's well, I'll question, but does 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.760 he have the talent to discipline himself be on the field. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.120 That's what teams are asking themselves in my mind. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.080 Let's get back to running back. Historically, the second round 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.960 has been the sweet spot for the Bengals. Joe Mixon 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.440 second round, Jeremy Hill's second round, Gievonni Bernard second round. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.360 If you go to the wayback machine, Corey Dellon second round, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.840 Ikey would second round. How do you like the crop 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.520 of running backs? We'll say second round, but maybe even third. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:48.640 I think it's a good one. It's a very good 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:54.120 running back crop. Jamar Gibbs from Alabama. He could be 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.400 my Clente Edwards Dlaire where he snuck into the bottom 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.480 of the first round. I'm looking at Philadelphia. If they 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.960 don't take Jon Robinson at ten, right, he could be 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.360 that guy. He's out of Alabama, Georgia Tech Transfer, run it, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.560 catch it. He's not Jhon Robinson because he's not as 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.080 thick and as strong, but he's built well, he's compact 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.440 and he's really good in the open field. Devon a 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.520 chain and these aren't necessarily an order. Dan Devon a 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.840 chain from Texas A and m ran A four to 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.200 three eight. He's a dart. Okay, mind you of a 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.800 spiller coming out of school. Remember CJ still can flat 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.120 out go and you have a Texas A and M guy. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.360 Believe who's on the roster now, Travon Williams a chain 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.320 even more sudden in my mind. Plus he catches the 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.520 ball on the backfield quite well. Zach Sharbonnet. Now that 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.680 is more to me what the Bengals would look for, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.760 a more of a powerful type of a runner out 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:57.080 of UCLA. That as the game went on, I always 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.440 talk about guys who can run people into submission. Joe 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.560 Mixon has that ability, right, those guys talked about Corey 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.080 Dillon certainly ran people into submission. You know by the 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.840 fourth quarter, Okay, I had enough of hitting on this 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.639 big man. That's what Zach Sharbonnay gives you is a 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.119 little bit more of a power guy come out of UCLA. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.280 There's one that didn't really work out at all in 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.320 the offseason, and it's a little bit different than Dwan Jones. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.160 His was a true injury with a hamstring, but we've 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.920 got plenty of tape on him. And that's Dwayne McBride 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:33.280 out of UA B. And what was his name, Jordan Howard? 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.000 Remember he came out Indiana a few years ago and 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.360 actually had a few good years in Chicago. Very similar 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.639 type of player in terms of college production. And Jordan 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.480 Howard began his create UA B before transferring to Indiana, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.480 So there's a little bit of comparison there. But there 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.199 are a lot of good running backs. They're gonna come 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.840 out in the second round, in the third round, and 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.000 that's why again I think b Jon Robinson is still 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.439 going to go in the first round, but maybe not 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.400 as high. And if he doesn't go into first round, 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.280 it's simply because everybody goes I can get a running 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.440 back all the way through and that's kind of where 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:09.880 we've seen it along the way too. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.200 We're chatting with Charles Davis from CBS. Let's get away 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.320 from the draft and touch on free agency for a 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.320 few minutes before I let you go. The big news, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.680 obviously for the Bengals was signing Orlando Brown Junior to 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.200 a four year, sixty four million dollar deal. That's pretty 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.320 darn reasonable for a four time Pro Bowl left tackle. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.120 He's only the fifteenth highest paid tackle now in the NFL. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.840 What'd you think of that signing? 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.040 I has a big time signing for Cincinnati because they 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.080 obviously were comfortable with him standing on the left side, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.320 and he doesn't make that move if he doesn't stand 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.840 the left side. Remember, he was a perennial Pro Bowl 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.000 right tackle, which I thought fit him to a t. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.399 But he always talked about I want to play a 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.840 position where my dad played. Orlando Zeus Brown, God rest 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.320 his soul, and he wanted to be a left tackle, 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.720 and Kansas City was willing to make him a left tackle. 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.600 I think he's better at right, what is he good 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.399 enough at left? Absolutely? And look, he just won a 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.359 Super Bowl and helped shut out some pretty good pass 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.920 rushers right against Philadelphia, so he understands how to play 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.840 the game. And then you're talking about getting him into 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.720 fifteenth salary for tackles. That's a huge win for Cincinnati. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.240 Jordan Williams may not be thrilled about the whole thing, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.959 but if you're Cincinnati, how do you say no to that? 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.959 He understands how to play, he understands positioning, and he 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.720 helps make up for his lack of foot speed when 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.800 you have those super elite pass rushers. He knows where 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.560 his weakness is and he tries to eliminate that right 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.320 off the top and make you play to his strength. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.040 And when he's able to do that and get his 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.200 hands on you, look out because that's a big, massive 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:42.440 man who's got some strength. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.760 You are a great safety and you're playing days at Tennessee. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.480 You had thirteen interceptions in your college career. That's highly impressive. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.480 The Bengals lost a great tandem at that position in 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.320 Jesse Bates and Von Bell. They've signed Nick Scott. They've 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.920 got last year's first round draft pick Dax Hill waiting 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.560 in the wings. How concern should we be about losing 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.600 Bates and Bell when you now have Scott and Hill? 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.040 Yeah? I think losing losing both of them are terrific. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.800 And you know, my coaches to tell you my thirteen interceptions. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.440 They don't know what the quarterbacks were thinking, right, this 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.399 is how it happened, Davis. But Jesse Bates was one 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.080 of those great center field roamers. And in a sense, Dan, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.480 there's times I would watch Jesse play and see numbers 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.280 and thought that they would have been higher. And that's 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.080 that's not a ding on him. I like Jesse Bates 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.320 a lot. I thought there was a potential at some 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.000 point that Jesse Bates might, you know, really bust out eight, nine, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.359 ten interceptions because of that style of play. To me, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.600 von Bell is the big loss. Not that Bates isn't. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.600 He's a really good player and them is a tandem terrific. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.240 But the last two years have just been fraught with contract. 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.160 Jesse was worried about. He almost lost a year getting 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.359 his head right on that one on the Super Bowl run, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.560 and last year knew he was going to be leaving. 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.280 So it's it's just an uneasy deal. Von Bell holds 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.800 it down for everyone. You know how excited they are 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.040 in Carolina. Okay, you know that they are ecstatic in 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.280 Carolina because from the moment he hits town, he takes over. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.800 Guys are gonna work harder, Guys are gonna be more accountable, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.640 Guys are gonna be ready to play. That's just who 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.800 he is and they are fortunate to have it. So 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.760 I worry about that a little bit. But the beauty is, 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.479 these youngsters got a chance to work their way in. 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.959 Dax Hill got plenty of playing time preseason, and everybody 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.639 says that preseason, Well, guess what it pays dividends that 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.160 the kid gets his feet wet and got to work 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.800 his way into what lou wanted. And of course Lou's knocker, 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.320 lou An Room is not gonna want to play you 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.840 during the regular season. He wants his regular guys playing 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.680 because he likes the continuity. Dax can go ahead and 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.119 jump in and get going right away on that. I 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.639 don't think adding someone from the secondary in the draft 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.480 it is out of line that could easily happen. That 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.119