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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth

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Speaker 2: As we spend most of this episode focusing on the

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, Charles Davis from CBS Sports came out with

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Speaker 2: his latest mock draft on Thursday. He'll discuss who he

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Speaker 2: has the Bengals taking in Round one, along with some

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Speaker 2: other players who have been frequently mentioned as possible Cincinnati targets. Then,

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Speaker 2: for the second year in a row, former Bengals scout

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Speaker 2: Greg Seaman joins the podcast to share insider stories from

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Speaker 2: the fourteen drafts he was involved with in Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 2: Now time for our first guest. We're less than two

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Speaker 2: weeks away from the NFL Draft, and one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite experts is Charles Davis, who calls games for CBS

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Speaker 2: but also serves as an analyst for the NFL networks

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Speaker 2: coverage of the Senior Bowl, the Combine, and all seven

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Speaker 2: rounds of the draft. On Friday, we discussed the draft

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Speaker 2: as well as the Bengals moves in free agency. Charles,

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Speaker 2: this is great timing because you just came out with

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Speaker 2: your second mock draft yesterday for NFL dot Com. You

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Speaker 2: have the Bengals selecting cornerback of Manual Forbes from Mississippi State.

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Speaker 2: He's getting a top thirty visit from the Bengals, so

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Speaker 2: the team is definitely interested in him. He had incredible

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Speaker 2: stats fourteen interceptions at NCAA record, six pick sixes. He's tall,

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Speaker 2: he's six to one, He's got long arms more than

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Speaker 2: thirty two inches. He's fast, he runs a four to

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Speaker 2: three to five forty. But there's a butt one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty six pounds, which makes him something of a

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Speaker 2: polarizing draft pick or potential draft pick. Share your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on a manual Forbes, Dan, you.

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Speaker 3: Laid it out perfectly. Everything that I like about him.

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Speaker 3: You talked about the butt is the biggest thing going,

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Speaker 3: and sixty six pound corner, Now that's what he weighed

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Speaker 3: that would be the lightest corner that we could think

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Speaker 3: He weighed more than that. Jason Farrett coming out of TCU,

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Speaker 2: Do we have any context for the one hundred and

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Speaker 3: No, but my eyes and just educated guessing and a

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Speaker 3: into that with Emmanuel Forbes, and that's a big reason

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Speaker 2: NFL Network. So this was your second mock draft for

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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com, and the first you had the Bengals

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Speaker 3: He would be one that I would have in heavy

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Speaker 3: I feel like, ultimately Jonah Williams will make that move

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Speaker 3: I you know we've covered the Bengals enough. My crew,

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Speaker 3: Robbinson fits that bill as well. But mayor look, I

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Speaker 3: said it in my first mock draft. Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 3: ends that can get open and play. They're any quarterback's

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Speaker 2: So this is supposedly a great tight end draft. You

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Speaker 3: Well, they got so many options. You know, there's one

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, I noticed in your background lacrosse. I

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Speaker 2: Get Sam Hubbard, by the way, was one of those

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Speaker 2: Let's circle back to right tackle for now. Jonah Williams

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Speaker 2: is likely to be the guy who knows. Maybe they'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the top is gonna be Anton Harrison for me.

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Speaker 3: but I'm gonna play string it all together for you. Dan.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to running back. Historically, the second round

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good one. It's a very good

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Speaker 3: There's one that didn't really work out at all in

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Speaker 2: We're chatting with Charles Davis from CBS. Let's get away

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Speaker 3: I think he's better at right, what is he good

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Speaker 3: He understands how to play, he understands positioning, and he

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Speaker 2: You are a great safety and you're playing days at Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: You had thirteen interceptions in your college career. That's highly impressive.

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Speaker 3: that's not a ding on him. I like Jesse Bates

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Speaker 3: Dax Hill got plenty of playing time preseason, and everybody

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Speaker 2: They lost cj Uzama a couple of years ago. Hayden

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Speaker 2: Hurst basically gave them the same production. Now they've lost

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Speaker 2: hayden Hurst and they've signed IRV Smith Junior, Ken IRV

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Speaker 2: Smith Junior give them similar production from what they got

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Speaker 2: out of C. J Uzama and hayden Hurst.

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Speaker 3: When you take his scouting report out Dan coming out

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Speaker 3: of college, that's exactly what you would see. That's what

435
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Speaker 3: you were going to get from IRV Smith. Explosive, productive,

436
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Speaker 3: good hands, route runner, shred you down the middle, create

437
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Speaker 3: big plays. That's what you were That's what the scouting

438
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Speaker 3: report said on him. He's had a lot of dings

439
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Speaker 3: in Minnesota. Let's see if he can stay healthy and

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Speaker 3: hit that scouting report. Because it's not like he's ancient

441
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Speaker 3: like me. He's still a young kid. He can run

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Speaker 3: around and do things. That's what we're going to want

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Speaker 3: to see because that's what this scattering report was coming out.

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Speaker 3: Can he hit that and match up with it, because

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Speaker 3: if so, it lessens your burden on the tight end

446
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Speaker 3: position in the draft.

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Speaker 2: If you're ancient I must be fossilized or paleozoic or something.

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Speaker 3: I do not at all, look only as young as yag.

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Speaker 3: Did you help me, on the other hand, assistence just

450
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Speaker 3: getting up in the morning?

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Speaker 2: All right, final question for Charles Davis, and I appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time as always. The Chiefs are the reigning NFL champs.

453
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Speaker 2: The Bills have won the AFC East for three years

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Speaker 2: in a row. Looks like the Jets are going to

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Speaker 2: add Aaron Rodgers. The Browns will have to Shaun Watson

456
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Speaker 2: all year. Jacksonville is ascending. Sean Paton is now the

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Speaker 2: head coach in Denver. I look at this AFC and

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Speaker 2: I think the Bengals are great. They're gonna be even

459
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Speaker 2: better than they've been. And yet I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you get through this gauntlet. What do you think of

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Speaker 2: the AFC right now?

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Speaker 3: It is a gauntlet, isn't it? And every year we

463
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Speaker 3: talk about teams. Okay, if you want to make the playoffs,

464
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Speaker 3: what's your easiest path to the playoffs? Win your division?

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Speaker 3: So you know, anyone who follows the NFL knows every

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Speaker 3: coach is gonna tell you, every scouting department is going

467
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Speaker 3: to tell you. We build our team to win our

468
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Speaker 3: division first, because if we do that, then we know

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Speaker 3: we're in the playoffs. We'll deal with the rest of

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Speaker 3: it later. But to me, there are certain few teams

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Speaker 3: every year that have earned the right to not just

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Speaker 3: build to win their division, but build to win in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. Cincinnati is one of those teams. Okay, nothing's

474
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Speaker 3: a given, nothing's guaranteed, but they have built this roster

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Speaker 3: and this team and how they play, and they understand

476
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Speaker 3: being the hunted now and they carry through on that

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Speaker 3: quite well. I don't worry about Cincinnati unless something just

478
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Speaker 3: catastrophic happens, right So, to me, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Buffalo, Okay, great,

479
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Speaker 3: it's not just adding for your division. Think about who

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Speaker 3: you might have to play in the playoffs. Remember the

481
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Speaker 3: old days when okay, I got to deal with New

482
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Speaker 3: England in the playoffs, do I have to anyone who

483
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Speaker 3: can run with Gronk? You had to have that extra

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Speaker 3: So if you're dealing with Cincinnati in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 3: you're Kansas City, and you're Buffalo and whoever else we

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Speaker 3: want to put in there, Okay, how am I dealing

487
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Speaker 3: with Jamar Chase? How am I dealing with those Routie Higgins.

488
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Speaker 3: How am I dealing with those receivers and Joe Burrow operating?

489
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Speaker 3: That's your first thought. You flip it over to Buffalo

490
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: Josh Allen not just throwing it, but when Josh Allen

491
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Speaker 3: breaks out and runs it, is he gonna shred me?

492
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Speaker 3: Do I have those people who can spy him and

493
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Speaker 3: go get him? Right? In Kansas City, we always talked

494
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Speaker 3: about them being a track meet, but last year, Dan,

495
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Speaker 3: it wasn't just a track meet. They were running a

496
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Speaker 3: lot more, a lot of the shorter sprints. They played

497
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Speaker 3: small ball, and Patrick Mahomes was the MVP of the league.

498
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Speaker 3: It wasn't just flicking it and turn it into sixty

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Speaker 3: seventy yard plays. There were a lot of ten fifteen

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Speaker 3: to twenty yard plays, more than you would ef back

501
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Speaker 3: from Kansas City. They adjusted and became champions again. So now,

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Speaker 3: how do you adjust to Patrick Mahomes and his ability

503
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Speaker 3: to adjust to you. I used to talk about it

504
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: with Drew Brees. I used to call Drew Brees AI

505
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence. Everything you threw at him, he took the input,

506
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: took the input to the input, and by the end

507
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Speaker 3: of the game, everything you threw at him. He was

508
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Speaker 3: running back against you and beating you. That's what Mahomes

509
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Speaker 3: does for you. So what's your counter, what's your change up?

510
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Speaker 3: What do you have for him? Because we all talk

511
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: about taking away Kelsey, I don't know that we really have.

512
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: And people have tried everything you possibly can. Are there

513
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Speaker 3: other ways to get to them? That's what those teams

514
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Speaker 3: are plotting in the offseason without talking about it.

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Speaker 2: The draft is right around the corner. You are going

516
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Speaker 2: to be a very busy man. I really appreciate your time,

517
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Speaker 2: great stuff as always, Thank you so much, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Dan. Always great to talk with you. You take

519
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Speaker 3: care of yourself. Hope to see you soon.

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Speaker 2: Last year, right around this time, we gave you an

527
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Speaker 2: idea of what it's like to be inside the Bengals

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Speaker 2: war room during the draft with Greg Seaman, who was

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Speaker 2: a Bengals scout for more than a decade. This year

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Speaker 2: I decided to try something a little bit different with Greg.

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Speaker 2: I picked out one player from each of the fourteen

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Speaker 2: drafts he was involved with and asked him to share

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Speaker 2: some memories about those draft picks. Greg. He joined the

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Speaker 2: Bengals organization in two thousand and three. Marvin had just

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Speaker 2: been hired as the head coach. The team was coming

536
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: off a two and fourteen season the year before, so

537
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals had the number one overall pick. It was

538
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Speaker 2: widely assumed that the choice was going to be Heisman

539
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Speaker 2: Trophy winning quarterback Carson Palmer. That's the way, obviously that

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Speaker 2: it turned out. But was there much debate in that situation.

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Speaker 1: I came in at the same time Marvin did. I

542
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Speaker 1: had been in Dallas coaching the tight ends, and so

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Speaker 1: I got there a little late in the process. When

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Speaker 1: I arrived, there was no doubt that Carson was the

545
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Speaker 1: cream of the crop in that draft, and also Marvin

546
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Speaker 1: was adamant about how we should begin his career, that

547
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Speaker 1: he did not want to rush him into the breach

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Speaker 1: and damage his progress. In some way and we stood

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Speaker 1: by that. And Carson is a you know, the ultimate

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Speaker 1: oh what might have been? You know, his second year,

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Speaker 1: we win. His first year as a starter, we win

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Speaker 1: eight games. The next year we win eleven games. We

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Speaker 1: had beaten Pittsburgh and I will forever believe that that

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00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: team could have won the Super Bowl. Carson gets hurt

555
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: the steel in the game as a wild card and

556
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Speaker 1: go on to win the Super Bowl, and I believe

557
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: we were better than them. And the hit by Keemo

558
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: van Ohoffen led to a rule change about the low

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Speaker 1: hit on the quarterback because of Carson's injury. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Carson was just a terrific, terrific player.

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown played quarterback. He loves watching quarterbacks, studying quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: He said to me that he believes Carson Palmer had

563
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Speaker 2: the best arm of any quarterback in Bengal's history.

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Speaker 1: That's a big statement and Mike has said that. And

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Speaker 1: you have to take into account that a guy like

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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh said that Greg Cook was the most talented

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Speaker 1: passer he ever worked with, and think about that. That

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Speaker 1: includes Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, and Steve Young. Mike has

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Speaker 1: likened Carson's ability to throw the ball to the great

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Speaker 1: Auto Grams, who was a wonderful passer in a different era.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Carson had the size he had touched. He

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Speaker 1: was an intelligent guy. He grew up in the West

573
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Speaker 1: Coast offense. His offensive coordinator at USC was Hugh Jackson,

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Speaker 1: and they were running much the same kind of system

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Speaker 1: he would eventually run in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: There were thirteen quarterbacks taken in that two thousand and

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Speaker 2: three draft. None of the other ones drafted other than

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Speaker 2: Carson Palmer ever made a Pro Bowl. But one undrafted

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Speaker 2: quarterback went to four Tony Romo.

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Speaker 1: I'll be durned. Eastern Illinois. Yeah, the pride of the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Illinois Panthers. And Sean Payton is the one that

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Speaker 1: brought him to Dallas. And Sean was an Eastern Illinois quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So we moved to the two thousand and four draft.

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Speaker 2: This was a great quarterback draft, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 2: Big Ben. The Bengals were set at that position. They

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Speaker 2: were not looking for a quarterback. They had eleven picks.

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Speaker 2: Their most successful wasn't first rounder Chris Perry, the running

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Speaker 2: back out of Michigan. It was fourth rounder Robert Gathers.

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Speaker 2: From Georgia. The Bengals had the seventeenth pick that year.

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Speaker 2: You traded back twice, seventeen to twenty four, then twenty

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Speaker 2: four to twenty six. You got a couple of extra

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Speaker 2: fourth rounders out of that, and Robert Gathers is one

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: If you're one of the thirty two teams in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and you draft for enough years, there's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good chance you're going to draft it. Gathers. His dad

597
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: was drafted, though injured. His uncle Jumpy was a great player.

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Speaker 1: His brothers, his cousins, everyone in the family, it seems,

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00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: at some point becomes an NFL player. Robert. That was

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Speaker 1: a great deal to get Robert and game picks. Robert

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Speaker 1: was a good player, a good person and a good

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Speaker 1: professional and played for a long time. That was a

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00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: very solid pick, a good guy, good in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: productive on the field. And I think we joke about

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Speaker 1: how many Gathers there are, but I think part of

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Speaker 1: who he was was the fact that he was rounded

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Speaker 1: by professionals and he knew how to be a professional

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Speaker 1: and just a good person, good player.

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Speaker 2: Is there anybody on the Bengals totem pole, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Mike or Duke Tobin or Mike's late brother Pete, who

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Speaker 2: is especially of a proponent of trading back.

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Speaker 1: You might not think this, but Mike isn't really a

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Speaker 1: risk taker, and so Mike is for kind of staying

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Speaker 1: where you are and letting the draft come to you,

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Speaker 1: unless you're looking ahead and saying, you know, the guys

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Speaker 1: that we want are not going to be there, and

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Speaker 1: so we're going it's going to be necessary to move.

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Speaker 1: I think probably Marvin and Duke brought more of the

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Speaker 1: thinking of it's okay to move around here in a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We'll be thoughtful about it and will be

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Speaker 1: informed in our decision making, but sometimes we can force

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Speaker 1: the issue a bit. And that was an example of

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Speaker 1: a really good deal.

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Speaker 2: We're chatting the former Bengals scout Greg Seaman. We moved

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Speaker 2: to two thousand and five. This is one of the

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00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: great what IFFs in Bengals history. You have the seventeenth

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Speaker 2: over pick. He took David Pollock, the All American boy,

628
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: won all of the major defensive awards in college football

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Speaker 2: when he was at Georgia, and then in the second

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Speaker 2: game of his second year, he broke a vertebrae in

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Speaker 2: his neck and never played again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just tragic. And David was appealing to us at

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00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: two different positions. He had proven at Georgia that he

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Speaker 1: could play with his hand on the ground and rush

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and chase the ball in the run game.

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Speaker 1: But he also had the athletic ability and the intelligence

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Speaker 1: to also be able to stand up play some outside

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00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: linebacker and wouldn't have been involved in coverage a lot,

639
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Speaker 1: but brought some flexibility that we were really at that

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Speaker 1: point looking for defensively. And I admire David because as

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Speaker 1: a young player whose dream it is to play in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, oftentimes they don't make the best decision for themselves,

643
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: and he listened to what the doctors told him, and

644
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: he's a great example of why if a young man

645
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: gets an education and prepares himself for life after football,

646
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: you can move to that seamlessly. And he's become a

647
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: star on the Saturday college football broadcast. So good for David,

648
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, a real what if had he not been injured,

649
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: he would have had a very good career with the Bengals.

650
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: So unfortunately the first pick in two thousand and five

651
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: didn't have a long Bengals career. But Cincinnati did eventually

652
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: wind up with two of the first six picks from

653
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: that draft, Cedric Benson and Adam pac Van Jones. We

654
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: moved to two thousand and six. This is really one

655
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: of the most productive drafts in teen history. Jonathan Joseph

656
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: round one had a great career. Frosty Rucker round three

657
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: had a solid career. Domatab Peco round four had a

658
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: great career. Let's focus on the second round pick, number

659
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: fifty five. Overall, he's likely going to the Hall of

660
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: Fame someday. Andrew Whitworth. I remember there were teams that said,

661
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: this guy's a guard, not tackle. The Bengals obviously felt differently.

662
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Witt, the story has been told many times. It

663
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: just briefly besides being a stellar player. When we interviewed

664
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: him at the combine, he sounded like a ten year

665
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: veteran when we talked about technique and footwork and how

666
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: you play the game of football, to the point that

667
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Marvin turned to Paul Alexander, o line coach and said,

668
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: if we draft this guy, I won't need you, the

669
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: line coach. WIT's remarkable. Witt has always been underestimated as

670
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: an athlete. You know, he was a three time state

671
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: champion in high school, he was a state champion at

672
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: national champion at LSU, and now he won a Super

673
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: Bowl ring at the end of his career. Not many

674
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: can say that, but think about Wit at six seven

675
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and in high school, I'm guessing two hundred and ninety

676
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: pounds coming to the net as an outstanding high school

677
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: tennis player. And if you've seen him around Cincinnati in

678
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: his years, he is a low handicapped golfer with a

679
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: deft touch. So here's a six foot seven three and

680
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: thirty five pound NFL tackle with those kinds of athletic

681
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: skills and a good brain, a good heart, and a

682
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: good soul to go with all of that. One of

683
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: the all time great Bengals, one of the all time

684
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: great NFL left tackles, and I think certainly a Hall

685
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: of Famer.

686
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: All kidding, aside from your scouting days, when you learned

687
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: that a player was a great tennis player or golfer

688
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: or something like that, was that a factor?

689
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely? You know a lot of times when you're looking

690
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: at offensive and defensive linemen, you'd love to know that

691
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: they were also an outstanding heavyweight wrestler. Because of work

692
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: ethic and balance. But when you've got a man of

693
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: his size that has that kind of fine motor skills

694
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: and you could see him run and change direction and

695
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: move in a way that a much smaller man did.

696
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: In the Bengals facility, we had a gymnasium and between

697
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: meetings oftentimes the players would go down and they would

698
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: have three point shooting contests and Carson Palmer generally would

699
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: be one that would win that. But right there with

700
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: him was Andrew Whitworth, who had the silky left handed shot.

701
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, a multi sport athlete who has had success

702
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: in various endeavors is very appealing.

703
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: Andrew Whitworth one of two players from the two thousand

704
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: and six draft to last sixteen NFL seasons, the other

705
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: punter Sam Cook and the Baltimore Ravens we moved to

706
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. This is interesting because you had

707
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: taken a cornerback in the first round the year before

708
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Jonathan Joseph. You did again Leon Hall number eighteen. Overall,

709
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: was there any hesitation in going cornerback in the first

710
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: round in back to back years?

711
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: I think that there was discussion, and sometimes you try

712
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: to find a reason not to take somebody. In Leon's case,

713
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: he just was so solid. He was smart, his technique

714
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: was good, his footwork was good. He would tackle, which

715
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: a lot of corners would not do. He was mature.

716
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: And we were building a defense that was going to

717
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: have good pass rushers on the outside, solid players on

718
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: the inside, a pretty good linebacking corps, and someone to

719
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: book in with Jonathan Joseph, who you thought the two

720
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: of them might be long term starting corners in what

721
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: was becoming Mike Zimmer's defense. And so he really just

722
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: fit the bill. And you know, not that Leon was

723
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: ever a superstar. He was a really good player who

724
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: ended up playing I think ten or twelve years as

725
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: a corner in the NFL, and that's rare. So a

726
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: very very good player and a good pick at that

727
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: point in the draft.

728
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: Your memory is good, a twelve year NFL career. The

729
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: first nine in Cincinnati were chatting with Greg Seaman, the

730
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: former Bengals scout. We moved to two thousand and eight.

731
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: I want to focus on team's second round pick that year.

732
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: The Bengals don't typically take small school players in the

733
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: early rounds of the draft. That year, you did wide

734
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: receiver Jerome Simpson out of Coastal Carolina. Unfortunately, Deshaun Jackson

735
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: went three picks later and wound up having the better

736
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: NFL career. But tell us a little bit about selecting

737
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Speaker 2: Jerome Simpson.

738
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Speaker 1: At that point. Well, Jerome was able to leap tall

739
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: defenders in a single bound and land on his feet

740
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: in the end zone, the iconic play I still see

741
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: from time to time. Jerome was a state champion basketball

742
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: player and the leading scorer on the team. Jerome was

743
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: a state finalist in North Carolina in the sprints. He

744
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: could also believe he was either a triple jumper or

745
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: a long jumper. So he was an under recruited kid,

746
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: A raw athletic kind of guy ends up at Coastal Carolina,

747
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: does not set the world on fire starting out, but

748
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: a good kid and remarkably, I mean, he did have

749
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: springs for legs. There were things he could do that

750
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: you couldn't coach him to do. And we were developing,

751
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, we had Chad and TJ. And we're kind

752
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: of in that transition to AJ and Marvin and Mow

753
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: and Slim, and he fit in that category of these

754
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: kind of long athletic guys that could go out and

755
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: get the ball. So he was a little raw, probably

756
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: not real mature in the game yet, but had the

757
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: athletic ability to make that a worthwhile endeavor.

758
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: Am I correct in saying in the early rounds the

759
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Bengals would prefer major conference guy over small conference guy.

760
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: I think everyone would. I think you in the early rounds,

761
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: your investment is more and you want to have the

762
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: highest level of confidence that you can have. This guy

763
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: can transition to the NFL smoothly and successfully, and sometimes,

764
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you can't see them against top competition

765
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: in college, it becomes a little riskier.

766
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: We moved to two thousand and nine. This is a

767
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: very strong draft. Andre Smith had a long career. Ray

768
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: maul Luga had a solid career. Michael Johnson had a

769
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: good career. I'm going to focus in on your fifth

770
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: round pick that year. Don't draft a kicker, don't take

771
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: a punter. Well, the Bengals took one. Kevin Huber wound

772
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: up playing fourteen seasons in a Bengals uniform. Was there

773
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: any reluctance to take a punter in round five?

774
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: No? You know you've got three things in Cincinnati. You

775
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: have Skyline, Chile, you have Greater's ice Cream, and you

776
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: got Kevin Huber, you know, the Cincinnati High School McNicholas

777
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: and then at you See. And I think that our

778
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: familiarity with him from uce that was a school that

779
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: I had coached at, and I also did the scouting

780
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: for you See, and so I was around there a lot,

781
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: and I felt very confident in recommending him. Darren Simmons,

782
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: who's one of the best special teams coaches in the NFL,

783
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: was able to be around him a lot also because

784
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: he was right there in town. And what struck you

785
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: about Kevin was his ability to perform situationally. If you

786
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: were in plus territory late in a game and you

787
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: really didn't need your punter to kick the ball out

788
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone, Kevin would leave the

789
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: ball inside the ten. And if it were late in

790
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: the game and you were backed up and you needed

791
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: a big kick, Kevin could kick the ball fifty five

792
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: yards and change the field position. And he responded to

793
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: those things. So he was mature beyond his years. Darren

794
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: would be able to talk to his technique more than me,

795
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: but he was certainly sound. You didn't see a lot

796
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: of mishits out of Kevin and a hard worker and

797
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: just a really good guy. And I'm so happy that

798
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: he was able to stay with the Bes throughout his career.

799
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: It's just been a terrific story.

800
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: He became the greatest punter in franchise history, and that

801
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: was a good punter draft. There were three selected that year.

802
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: All three became Pro Bowlers, Thomas Moristead and Pat McAfee.

803
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: For the other two, Pat mcavie obviously making a bundle

804
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: now as a broadcaster. He moved to twenty ten. The

805
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Bengals drafted three Pro Bowlers in twenty ten, Jermaine Gresham,

806
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Carlos Dunlap, and a fourth round pick who went to

807
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: eight Pro Bowls. That is a record for a Bengals

808
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: defensive player, the great Geno Atkins. Why were one hundred

809
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: and nineteen players selected before Geno Atkins in twenty.

810
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Ten because they did not have Bill Tobin fighting for

811
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: Geno Atkins as his advocate. I remember those meetings, and

812
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, Gino was short by defensive tackle standards, and

813
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: Bill was just adamant that this guy is a rock,

814
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to not only hold

815
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: up against the double teams, but he's going to be

816
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: able to rush the passer. Marvin got on board with that,

817
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: obviously everybody did. We went for the pick, and then,

818
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, I said, recently, your great players for where

819
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: you would take them, but you also have to have

820
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: a sense of where the league values them. And I

821
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: think that we had a good feel that people weren't

822
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: clamoring to take Gino early in that draft, and we

823
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: were patient and got one of the all time great

824
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: Bengal defensive linemen in the fourth round of just a steal.

825
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: That was a wonderful pick. And Gino came in and

826
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: he was hard as a rock and strong and played hard,

827
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get him to talk his position. Coach said,

828
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm with the guy every day. Never says anything I've

829
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: asked him a question. He's just a quiet, hardworking, humble,

830
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: sincere guy who was a joy to be around.

831
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: Bill Tobin is Duke's dad. Bill famously built the great

832
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears team that won the Super Bowl in the

833
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: mid eighties. Tell us a little bit about what was

834
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: like to be in a draft room with Bill Tobin.

835
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: Bill had literally spent his life. He played running back

836
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: at Missouri and then played in the original AFL for

837
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: a bit and then a little bit of coaching, and

838
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: then pretty early in his life just devoted it to

839
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: the personnel side. How do you put together a good roster,

840
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: how do you put together a good team? Those are

841
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: sometimes different things. And so he was, along with Pete

842
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: and Mike, you had three guys that had grown up

843
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL and they could really be valuable as

844
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: mentors and resources. So he was a great guy to

845
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: be around, and I'm sure he's still around.

846
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: We moved to twenty eleven. Dan Horr joined the organization

847
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: in May of that year, but the Bengals made a

848
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: lot more significant additions than that. Aj Green was the

849
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick in the draft, and in the second round,

850
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: number thirty five overall, Cincinnati selected Andy Dalton. My recollection

851
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: is that Jay Gruden, who had been hired as the

852
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator that offseason, really pushed for Andy Dalton.

853
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Was that the case that is exactly right. We were

854
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: at that point where it was pretty clear that Carson

855
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: wasn't going to return and we had a good football team,

856
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: a team that was becoming a very good football team,

857
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: and so this was key and Jay loved several things

858
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: about Andy not the least of which was he had

859
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: started close to fifty games already. If you talk to

860
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: the TCU guys, they will say that Andy and his teammates,

861
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: his classmates changed TCU football when they went there. You know,

862
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: it was a midland program. They got better and better

863
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: and better. And in Andy's last game, the TCU plays

864
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl and beats number four Wisconsin on

865
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: national TV. And after that they built onto the stadium

866
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: at TCU. They have the money to redo their facilities.

867
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: So Andy had been a part of, an integral part

868
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: of something really important, with a lot of pressure placed

869
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: on him, and he had handled that so beyond his

870
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: physical abilities, I think Jay and all of us came

871
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: to really appreciate the fact that Andy was mature, that

872
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: he was stable, that he was wise, and he was dependable,

873
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: and he went out and played really, really well for

874
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: a long time.

875
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: These decisions aren't always unanimous. There's debate in the room.

876
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: I remember one Bengals front office person I'm not going

877
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: to say him by name, that thought that Andy was

878
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: too much like John Kitna, didn't have the big arm,

879
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: didn't have some of the physical traits that ideally you

880
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: would love to have. That's the way it is, right.

881
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: There are always differing opinions, always differing opinions, and there's

882
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: a temptation and sometimes it's a good thing to to

883
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: compare a collegiate player to an NFL player. He might

884
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: be this person. The problem with that approach is that

885
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: as soon as you name the NFL player, all the

886
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: connotations that come with that guy, whether they be negative

887
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: or positive, are immediately attached to this kid who has

888
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: never yet played in the NFL. So I'm very reluctant

889
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: when we do that kind of thing, and we do

890
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: it does happen as a way of placing a value

891
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: on a prospect. But Andy was his own man, and

892
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: not only was he a really good player for the

893
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, he was a great person in the city

894
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and in the community. He and his wife.

895
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: We're chatting with Greg Sieman, the former Bengals scout. In

896
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, the Bengals drafted two wide receivers and they

897
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: both worked out well. Marvin Jones is a great fifth

898
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: round pick. Mohammed sinu As your third round pick, went

899
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: on to spend ten years in the NFL.

900
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a guy that I scouted, I had

901
00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the East Coast at that time. Moe always struck me

902
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: as just a really good all around athlete. I went

903
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: to their practice, I saw him in games. He could obviously,

904
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: he can throw a ball shockingly well. His first he

905
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: threw a seventy three yard touchdown pass against the Washington

906
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Redskins at that time to AJ Green. So Moe had

907
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass thrown before he ever caught a pass

908
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, which is unusual, and ended up with

909
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: I think an almost perfect passer rating over the course

910
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: of his career. But Moe could go out and kick

911
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: a field goal for you if you needed to. He

912
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: could punk the ball if you needed him to. He

913
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: was big, and physically he wasn't the fastest guy, but

914
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: he was an incredibly hard worker. His senior year at Rutgers,

915
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: he was having a good career at Rutgers, and then

916
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: his senior year he caught one hundred and fifteen passes

917
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: for I think a little over twelve hundred yards, and

918
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: they just in every situation where they needed something, they

919
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: threw the ball to Mo. And so when he came

920
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, we were blessed that we had a

921
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: good group of receivers. And you know, there are different

922
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: kinds of slot receivers. There are small, quick guys, and

923
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: then there are guys that are physical and big, and

924
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: Moe could do that. And Moe could play the Z

925
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: position and come in and crack on a linebacker and

926
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: make a catch on third down. He was with US

927
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: I think for four years and then had a great

928
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: run with the Atlanta Falcons, played in a Super Bowl.

929
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: And his family's from Sierra Leone. Mo grew up mostly

930
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, but he's been involved in charity work

931
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: everywhere that he's been and just a very mature young man.

932
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Mohammed Sanu.

933
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: And people may recall he got pranked in the second

934
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: round that year. Somebody called up said the Bengals were

935
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: about to select him. It wasn't the case. It was difficult,

936
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: frustrating and somewhat embarrassing situation for him, and then it

937
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: all worked out in the end because in the next

938
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: round he got that call from Cincinnati.

939
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we felt so terrible, and then our turn comes

940
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: and we're going to take him. So Marvin's gonna call him,

941
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: and Marvin's worried. Is he gonna think this is the

942
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: prank again, or you know what's going to happen here?

943
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: When I call this guy, you know is he going

944
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: to respond? And so he had to kind of convince

945
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: Mo that yes, it really is the Bengals this time,

946
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: and we are thrilled to be able to pick you

947
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: in the draft.

948
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: The twenty thirteen draft was an interesting one because the

949
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: player that she selected in the first round was not

950
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: on any of the mock drafts that I recall that year.

951
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: It seemed like safety matt Elam was the guy that

952
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 2: everybody thought was coming to Cincinnati was the first round

953
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: picked by Baltimore. Later in that draft, several defensive linemen

954
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: were mocked to Cincinnati. You wound up taking tight end

955
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: Tyler Eifert, even though you had selected Jermaine Gresham in

956
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: the first round just a few years before.

957
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought that Tyler was just such a unique athlete.

958
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: He's six foot five or six. He was a great

959
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: high school basketball player. Ironically, my first job coaching in

960
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: college football was in the early eighties at Purdue University.

961
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: His father, Greg was a role player on some good

962
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: teams for Gene Katie at Purdue. At his mother was

963
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: also a Big ten athlete, and I want to say

964
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: either basketball or volleyball, but I'm not certain. Maybe track.

965
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: But he's a Fort Wayne kid, Bishop Dwinger High School,

966
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: just a tremendous athlete. He's one of those guys we

967
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: mentioned Andrew Whitworth earlier. Witt was a low handicapped golfer.

968
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: When Iffort came on to the team, Witt generally had

969
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: some of the offensive rookies come and stay at his

970
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: house and introduce them. So he takes him over to

971
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: Hyde Park Country Club to play golf, and Eifort really

972
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: didn't play that much golf. And he goes out and

973
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: shoots scratch, shoots seventy two on whim and he said,

974
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, it really makes me mad because this kid

975
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: just can do anything. He is another one and this

976
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: is just part of the game. Tyler Eifert could have

977
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: been an all time great tight end and got hurt

978
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: early and often in his career, kept coming back from them.

979
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: What Tyler could do was play anywhere on the field.

980
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: You could have him attached to the tackle, but he

981
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: could be a single receiver to the short side of

982
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: the field and see if you get a matchup. He

983
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: could play in the slot because he was a route runner.

984
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: Two could you know he could Ronie could jump, he

985
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: could catch, and a good guy. Just the injuries prevented him.

986
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: He had a good career, but the injuries prevented him

987
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: from maybe being one of the really great tight.

988
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: Ends, including an injury in the Pro Bowl, which is

989
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: really frustrating. I'm to twenty fourteen. You chose cornerback dark

990
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: Wees Dinard in the first round. That was a big

991
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: cornerback draft. I think three corners were taken before dark Wees.

992
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: Some good ones were still on the board. Bradley Roby

993
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: went seven picks later. The very next pick after dark

994
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: Wes Denard was Jason Barrett, another cornerback. Was that a

995
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: year where you were really focused on this cornerback group.

996
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, I thought we thought it was a deep group

997
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: and that there were players to be had there. And

998
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: when you're looking early in the draft, quarterback, corner, pass rusher,

999
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: left tackles, those guys are appealing to you because all

1000
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: of those spots, guys can play for a pretty long

1001
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: time and have a real impact on the game. We

1002
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: had had success with Leon and Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall.

1003
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: I think that. I think our view of Darquez was

1004
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: that he was going to be very similar to Leon,

1005
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: a complete player that could play inside, play outside, would tackle,

1006
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: was smart, and that would come on and then surpass

1007
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: those guys. We had a good team and we were

1008
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: able to kind of draft not for depth, but for

1009
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: the next guy, because contracts being what they are, you

1010
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of think ahead. You're trying to prepare for, well,

1011
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: if this guy graduates, as we would say, who's the

1012
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: next one in line? And Darkquz did well, had some

1013
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: injuries and it never all came together for him in

1014
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: the way that it did for Leon, But he was

1015
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: very much the same kind of player coming out of college.

1016
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: As we have run through the drafts that you were

1017
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: involved with with the Bengals, we've had a lot of

1018
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: success stories. Twenty fifteen was simply a draft that didn't

1019
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: work out. Every team has them. Your first round pick,

1020
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: number twenty one overall was Cedric Obwayhe the Bengals weren't

1021
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: really drafting for need, at least immediate need. You're trying

1022
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: to get offensive linemen in the pipeline. Jake Fisher was

1023
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: the second round pick where there red flags with Cedric

1024
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: tell Us a little bit about that selection.

1025
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: Well, Cedric had injured his knee in their bowl game,

1026
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: so we knew that he wasn't going to be available

1027
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: potentially available to start the season. His film prior to

1028
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: that was exceptional. He was a big athletic guy with length,

1029
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: He was intelligent, remember that. Paul Alexander, after spending time

1030
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: with him and studying his film, felt very confident that

1031
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: he could be eventually the guy that would place, would

1032
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: replace Witt if Witt moved on. And it's a bit

1033
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: of a mystery. We weren't the only team certainly that

1034
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: viewed him as an outstanding prospect, and he's been now

1035
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: with numerous teams and it just has never come together

1036
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: for him. And I don't know why, but certainly he

1037
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: never got established. He was I think a starter for

1038
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: one year and then lost that position and it turns

1039
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: out that he was a miss.

1040
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 2: So onto twenty sixteen, you left to become the tight

1041
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: end coach with the Cleveland Browns under Hugh Jackson. But

1042
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: before taking that job, you had worked all year preparing

1043
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals for the twenty sixteen draft, and you had

1044
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: a lot to do with their second round selection that year.

1045
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: Guy that's still doing a great job for the Bengals.

1046
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: Wide receiver Tyler Boyd.

1047
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know Tyler because I was gone

1048
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: before he came. But I knew him because I saw

1049
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: him in practice a lot at Pitt and in games.

1050
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: And when I watched Tyler, it was so reminiscent of

1051
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: Mosunew a number of years before at Rutgers. Pitt at

1052
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: that time had James Connor, and they were not immenseally

1053
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: talented at quarterback or at some other positions. So in

1054
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of games, they would run James Connor on

1055
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: first down, they would run James Connor on second down,

1056
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: and then they would throw the ball to Tyler Boyd

1057
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: to get the first down and then start it all again.

1058
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: And Tyler has toughness, he had agility, He was obviously

1059
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: an intelligent player like MO. I think that if you

1060
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: wanted to stick him at tailback for a couple of plays,

1061
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: he would run the ball aggressively and physically. So I

1062
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: just saw guy make lots again like he reminded me

1063
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: of Mo, because on third down or in key situations,

1064
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: you knew they were going to throw the ball to him,

1065
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: and you knew that if he got his hands on it,

1066
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: he was going to catch it. So I had written

1067
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: a really strong recommendation about Tyler prior to taking the

1068
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: job in Cleveland, left that with them, and when I

1069
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Speaker 1: got to Cleveland. Quite honestly, I pushed for Tyler Boyd

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Speaker 1: as far as I could, but at that point I

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Speaker 1: wasn't on the personnel side, so my voice didn't count

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Speaker 1: for much. And I was pleased that the Bengals drafted

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00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Tyler and he's been a terrific player for them and

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Speaker 1: continues to be. I think he's right in the midst

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Speaker 1: of what's going to be a very, very good and

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Speaker 1: productive career.

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Speaker 2: This has been a real treat. I could go down

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Speaker 2: memory lane about the draft with you for hours, but

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Speaker 2: we'll keep it to about half an hour. I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Thank you so much, Greg, Thank you Dan.

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Speaker 1: This is always fun and Go Bengals.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by Alta Fiber,

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Speaker 2: new level. Elevate your connection with Alta Fiber. We just

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Speaker 2: heard from former Bengal Scout Greg Seaman, who is currently

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Speaker 2: doing some work for Pro Football Focus, and that's the

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Speaker 2: perfect segue for what's next, our seventh edition of a

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Speaker 2: three round mock draft with an NFL expert. Here's the concept.

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Speaker 2: When I attended the NFL Combine this year, I had

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Speaker 2: the Pro Football Focus mock Draft simulator set up on

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Speaker 2: my laptop and I invited several NFL experts to make

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: the Bengals picks in the first three rounds while discussing

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Speaker 2: their options. If you've never tried a draft simulator before,

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Speaker 2: what are you waiting for? It allows you to play

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Speaker 2: Bengals GM for as many rounds of the draft as

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Speaker 2: you want. The simulator begins making picks in order, and

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Speaker 2: then when it's your turn, you can make trades or

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Speaker 2: go ahead and pick. It's a great way to get

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Speaker 2: to know the players who might be available when the

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Speaker 2: Bengals around the clock in a couple of weeks. So far,

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Speaker 2: our experts have chosen the following players in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Three have selected Utah tight end Dalton Kincaid, two have

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: picked Maryland cornerback Deontay Banks, and one chose Oregon State

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: tight end Luke Musgrave. In the second round, two experts

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: picked Northwestern defensive linemen at A Tommy wa at a bare.

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Speaker 2: The other picks were Washington State linebacker Dayon Henley, Syracuse

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: offensive tackle Matthew Bergeron, Illinois safety Sydney Brown, and Kansas

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: State cornerback Julius Brentz. In the third round, there have

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Speaker 2: been six different picks Iowa tight end Sam Laporta, BYU

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: offensive tackle Blake Freeland, Maryland cornerback Jacory and Bennett, UAB

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Speaker 2: running back Dwayne McBride, Texas A and M running back

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Speaker 2: Devon a Chain, and Missouri edge rusher Isaiah McGuire. After

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Speaker 2: you make your picks on the simulator, PFF gives you

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Speaker 2: a grade, and the highest mark so far have been

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Speaker 2: an A for Sam Monson from Pro Football Focus and

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Speaker 2: a pair of A minuses for Dame Brugler of The

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Speaker 2: Athletic and Austin Gaale from The Ringer. Now time for

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Speaker 2: contestant number seven. Time for our latest three round Bengals

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Speaker 2: mock draft on the PFF simulator with a PFF employee.

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Speaker 2: Great to be joined by Anthony Tresh, who's been on

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Speaker 2: this podcast before. We're going to do three rounds. No

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Speaker 2: trades allowed. Are you ready.

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Speaker 4: I'm very ready.

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Speaker 5: I have one player in mind for this first round

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 5: pick that I'm hoping is available in the PFF mock

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Speaker 5: Draft simulator by the time pick twenty eight rolls around.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to share who in advance?

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Speaker 4: Now, we'll see, We'll okay.

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: We'll find out, all right. I have just hit enter

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Speaker 2: draft and the names are about to start flying off

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Speaker 2: the board. Bryce Young going number one overall, the quarterback

1134
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: out of Alabama to the Carolina Panthers. We're seeing corners

1135
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: and tackles and wide receivers flying off the board. We're

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: up to pick number twenty five. Elijah Chanty was just

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Speaker 2: selected twenty seventh by the Buffalo Bills, the speedy defensive

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Speaker 2: lineman out of pit And now the Cincinnati Bengals are

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Speaker 2: on the clock.

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Speaker 5: All right, so the person I wanted to take with

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01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 5: this Bengals pick is available.

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Speaker 4: I think this player is extremely underrated.

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 5: I would probably consider him in the top half of

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 5: the first round, but our lead draft analyst, Mike Rinner

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 5: has him as the second best player's position. You know,

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 5: I respect that, but I'm gonna go with Michael Mayer.

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 4: Tied in at a Notre Dame.

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Speaker 5: I think getting him at the back half of the

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01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 5: first round at picked twenty eight, again, I think that

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 5: incredible value. It's very hard to find any flaws within

1151
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: his game. I mean, he really can do it all,

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01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 5: especially from a blocking perspective. That's what I think separates

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 5: him from Dalton Kincaid, the Utah product who is tied

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Speaker 5: in one on the PFF draft board. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I could see why they're interchangeable, but I'm gonna lean Mayor.

1156
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 5: I think the blocking ability is some of the best

1157
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 5: you're going to see at the position. I think he

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 5: developed that this past year. He wanted to make it

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01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 5: an emphasis, you know, developing that all throughout the year,

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 5: and you see him with some of those double teams too,

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 5: and then that do of blocking scheme of Notre Dame.

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Speaker 4: It was, it was delightful.

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Speaker 5: I loved it again as a receiver, just a technician,

1164
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 5: I mean, he gets everything down to a point.

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean it's just it's just perfect work.

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Speaker 5: So Michael Mayor, I think that would be an awesome

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Speaker 5: addition to an already dangerous passing attack.

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Speaker 2: Has Mayor ranked as the second best tight end in

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01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: this draft, behind Utah's Dalton Kincaid. Dane Brugler from The

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Speaker 2: Athletic has them ranked the other way around. Mayor went

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Speaker 2: to Covington Catholic High School in northern Kentucky and then

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Speaker 2: spent three years at Notre Dame. He's six four, two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty nine pounds, and while he didn't show

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Speaker 2: blazing speed at the combine by running a four seven forty,

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Speaker 2: teams had a hard time covering him at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: as he was the team's leading receiver in each of

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Speaker 2: the last two years, topping eight hundred yards each season.

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Speaker 2: If he's still on the board when the Bengals are

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Speaker 2: on the clock, you can bet there will be serious

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Speaker 2: consideration given to selecting Michael Mayer. Now, let's see who

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Speaker 2: PFF's Anthony Tresh selected in round two. Onto the second

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Speaker 2: round with Anthony Tresh from Pro Football Focus, Julius Brentz,

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01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: the cornerback from Kansas State, was selected at number fifty six.

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Speaker 2: That was your colleague Sam Monson's second round pick. When

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Speaker 2: he did the simulator, Matthew Berger on Tackle from Syracuse

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: wanted pick fifty seven. That's the name we've seen mock

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Speaker 2: to Cincinnati in the second round dayon Henley lineback from

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Speaker 2: one Washington State was the player selected immediately before the

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Speaker 2: Bengals at number fifty nine. So now you are on

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Speaker 2: the clock, would pick number sixty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is tough.

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Speaker 5: I think I think Cincinnati is kind of in a

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Speaker 5: luxury territory. I'm probably leaning defensive back here. I have

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Speaker 5: won name in mind. If he's on the board, I

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Speaker 5: would take him there he is, I'm gonna go Antonio Johnson,

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Speaker 5: safety from Texas A and M. You know, from the

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Speaker 5: day one he was on the field for Texas A

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Speaker 5: and M slot corner completely impressed me. I thought he

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Speaker 5: was one of the best defensive backs in America as underclassman.

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Speaker 5: Kind of moved to more of a traditional safety role

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Speaker 5: this past year. Didn't think he skipped a beat, didn't

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Speaker 5: really have some of those highlight reel plays that you

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Speaker 5: saw previously. But you know, I think he can be,

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Speaker 5: you know, a movable chess piece in any secondary I

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01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 5: think the instincts pop off the tape.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 5: Just a very smart player from early on in his career.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's the biggest thing with some of

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Speaker 5: these guys. You know, if they're not you know, he's

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Speaker 5: got the experience, but you really want to see just

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Speaker 5: the football IQ developed.

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Speaker 4: At this point in their career.

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Speaker 5: I know a lot of people say, you know, potential,

1214
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 5: you know, just scratching the surface. You know, he can,

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Speaker 5: you know, be great with good coaching. But Antonio Johnson,

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 5: he knows how to play football at a high level already.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I'd be very very comfortable with this

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Speaker 5: pick in the second round.

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Speaker 2: So in the second round, Anthony Trash from Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Focus selects Texas A and M defensive back Antonio Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson is the number two safety in the draft

1222
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Speaker 2: according to Dane Brugler, behind Alabama's Brian Branch and PFF

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01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: has him graded number sixty four overall. He's six to

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Speaker 2: two hundred pounds and ran a four five forty at

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Speaker 2: the combine. We know that lou Anromo values versatility, and

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Speaker 2: Johnson lined up deep, played in the box, and also

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Speaker 2: lined up in the slot in his two years as

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Speaker 2: a starter at A and M. Now let's get to

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Speaker 2: Anthony's third and final pick, and now we move on

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Speaker 2: to round three. The Bengals have pick number ninety two.

1231
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: Names are flying off the board in the high eighties.

1232
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills have just selected a defensive player out

1233
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Speaker 2: of LSU, Jacqueline Roy, and now the Bengals are on

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Speaker 2: the clock for their third round pick.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, I almost took this guy with the the

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Speaker 5: second round pick, and he's available in the third round.

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Speaker 5: I might go defensive back again. I think it's an

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Speaker 5: important position. Yeah, I think I'm going to I think

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Trevius Hodges Thomlins in the cornerback

1240
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 5: out of TCU. I will say the physicality is undersize.

1241
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 5: He does try to overcompensate at times. I'll just over needlessly,

1242
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 5: just grabby along the route, and you know, that's just

1243
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 5: kind of the way he does play. But I think

1244
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 5: just the year athleticism that he does have, you know,

1245
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 5: I think he could make an impact, you know, even

1246
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 5: if it's in the slot at the NFL level. Again,

1247
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 5: you hunt guys that know how to play at a

1248
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Speaker 5: high level. You know, I see that, you know the

1249
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 5: football I q pop off, especially at defensive back.

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Speaker 4: You know, from day one. I think he can kind

1251
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 4: of handle that.

1252
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 5: So I think with Cincinnati, maybe you don't need to

1253
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 5: put him out there on the field. They have a

1254
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 5: lot of good defensive backs for already, and know, I

1255
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 5: like what we've seen from Cam Taylor Britt and Dexton Hill,

1256
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Speaker 5: and then I just added Antonio Johnson. But you know,

1257
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 5: I think he just got to keep adding, you adding

1258
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 5: at the most important positions because this is the Bengals team.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the best rosters in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: So that's what I would do here with Trevis Hodges Thomlinson,

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Speaker 5: the cornerback from TCU. Now I think he wants to

1262
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Speaker 5: go by Trey Tomlinson, a nephew of Danny and Tomlinson,

1263
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 5: former Chargers running back, so you.

1264
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 4: Know he's got NFL bloodlines.

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Speaker 5: I think he could make an impact down the road

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Speaker 5: for this team.

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Speaker 2: Trey Hodges Tomlinson is undersized. He's five to seven and

1268
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty pounds, but he's fast, running a

1269
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: four four forty at the combine and productive. He won

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Speaker 2: the Jim Thorpe Award last year as the best defensive

1271
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: back in college football, as opponents had a completion percentage

1272
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Speaker 2: of just thirty four point six when they target Hidjus Tomlinson.

1273
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: Now time to find out how PFF graded Anthony's picks.

1274
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Speaker 2: A tight end and two defensive backs selected in the

1275
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Speaker 2: first three rounds by Anthony Trash a Pro Football Focus.

1276
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Speaker 2: And now we find out how PFF has graded your draft.

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Speaker 4: What do we got here? A minus? All right, I'll

1278
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 4: take it. What did Sam have?

1279
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Speaker 2: Sam had an A? Sam has the only A so far.

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Speaker 2: You are the third person to get an A minus.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably because he's on the consumer division. I'm

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Speaker 5: on the B to B products, so he's sitting there

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Speaker 5: fixing the grades. I would be ecstatic if we came

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Speaker 5: if the Bengals came away with this whole. But really,

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Speaker 5: that first round pick, I'd be really rooting for Michael

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Speaker 5: Maher if I were a Bengals fan, I think he's

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Speaker 5: gonna be that good of a player. And from the

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals, I think that's probably what they're rooting for.

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Speaker 5: And given what we know about mister Mayor, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: he's probably rooting for that as well.

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Speaker 2: Every grade came out well, A minus B plus A

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Speaker 2: for the for all as you did, well, Anthony, appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for having me.

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