1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Y'all, this is a special Zone seven. We are going 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody that the heroes look up to. 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: You don't have to look any further than the National 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Hall of Fame that honors officers that have 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: gone above and beyond the call of duty. And tonight 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: we have Tom Smith. He is a part of my 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Zone seven. He is a part of my table fifteen, 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that. But I welcome 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: him humbly. I know his background, I know his track record, 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: I know his career. Sir, how are you? 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: I am great, and you just made my day even 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: better being here. It's always a privilege and an honor 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: no matter where we are, as long as we're together, 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: and doing a show like this makes it even more special. 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: You know, let's just start from the beginning. You selected, 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of all the departments in the world, of all the levels, state, local, 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: and federal, the New York City Police Department. Why in YPD. 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: My dad was an NYPD detective for twenty six years 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: from nineteen fifty to nineteen seventy six, So that's all 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: I knew. I knew one department in this world, and 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: it was the NYPD. I grew up idolizing my dad 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: and wanting to be like him, just like every little 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: boy you know in the world growing up and looking 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: at this six foot three, two twenty you know, pound 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: irishman who controlled his world in law enforcement and was 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: respected like crazy. And that's what I wanted. That's what 27 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to be, just like him, to steal his 28 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: shield when he came home from work and put it 29 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: on my belt, that run around and chase my sisters. 30 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: So that was you know, growing up, I was I 31 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: was doing one or two things, Charlotte, I was playing baseball, 32 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: or it was going to be a cop, and there 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: was no thought of anywhere else. It was going to 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: be the NYPD, and that was it. So when you 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: have that drive of wanting to be like your dad 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: and wanting to serve in the best police department in 37 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: the world, you do it one thousand and one hundred 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: miles an hour. 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: And that's what I did better than anybody, I'm gonna 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: tell you. But you know, I think about your dad too, 41 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: from the fifties to the sixties. You want to talk 42 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: about decades being a stark difference, and then rolling into 43 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: the seventies, I mean, honey, he's got some stories. 44 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: Oh it was. It was when I was with him 45 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: and go into a Yankee game. That was a history 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: lesson anytime we went into the city, whether we went 47 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: to my sister's house, you know, apartment who lived on 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: the East Side, or we would go to a Yankee game. 49 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: Because part of the day wasn't just going to Yankee Stadium. 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: We would stop at the four four and go up 51 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: to the squad. We'd go to the four to one 52 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: for Apache and go to the squad and see all 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: his friends and his partners that he worked with, you know. Uh, 54 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: And that was part of it. So that's what I 55 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 2: mean by it was. It was surrounding me, and it wasn't. 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: A lift. 57 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: It was yeah, we're going here, We're going here, and 58 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: standing in a room with a bunch of just the 59 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: best there was at that time, and then driving around 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: the streets and having him point out, oh, yeah, that 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: happened here, that double homicide happened over here, and we 62 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: chase that guy down that alleyway. It was just all 63 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: the time and talk about getting ready for a career 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: when you were young. That's what that's what I got, 65 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: and I loved every second of it. Me and my dad. 66 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, think about this. Part of and you know 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: this because we're from the same generation. Part of your 68 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: night or our night was sitting down together and watching 69 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: the six o'clock news. That was like a TV show. 70 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: It wasn't the news. It was like, Okay, at six o'clock, 71 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: let's see what's going on in the world. And we 72 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: would sit there and if there was a story about 73 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: a homicide that was on the news, I would talk 74 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: to him about it, like, Hey, how would you do this? 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: How would you do that? Where would you start? Who 76 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: would you talk to? And that was the conversation during 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: the news we would have if there was a story 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: that was a crime story. And that's what I was 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: so interested in, you know, growing up, and it just 80 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: led to what I became. 81 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: And you know, the world is a small place sometimes. 82 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And I interviewed somebody on Zone seven, detective Ralph, remember who? Yes, 83 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: And it was so incredible because you texted me and said, Hey, 84 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: do you have a phone number for him? I think 85 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: he knew my dad. Will you tell us just a 86 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: little bit about that when you reconnected with him? 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I had known about Ralph last year and then 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: just schedules and life kind of gets in a way 89 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: of getting in touch with him, and I lost touch 90 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: with him, and I actually don't know what happened to 91 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: his contact that I had. And then I saw that 92 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: you had him on and reached right out to him. 93 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: He remembered me, and I actually had the opportunity to 94 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: go to his house and see all the medals and 95 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: everything he had. And he's the most decorated NYPD detective 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: in its history. I mean, a man is an absolute 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: walking legend. But even better was talking to him about 98 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: stories I knew and I had heard from my dad 99 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: and they actually worked in the four to one and 100 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: FOURID apache at the same time, he vaguely remembered my 101 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: dad showed him a couple of pictures of him and 102 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 2: he did. So, you know, like you said, big world, 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: but small world, especially in our world, which shrinks tremendously 104 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: when we start talking and throwing names around. It doesn't 105 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: matter where you are on this coast or the West coast. 106 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: If you talk enough to a cop, you're going to 107 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: find someone in common that you have. 108 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And I just thought that reunion was amazing, 109 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: and the pictures of the two of y'all in his 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: house with all of those medals and plaques and commendations. 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: It was just it got to me because I know 112 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: your dad would have loved that. 113 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: Oh God, it would have been He would have went 114 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: with me. Are you kidding me? If I had said 115 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: to him, if he was still alive, and I said, hey, 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to see Ralph, you know, he'd be like, 117 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: all right, let's go love it. He would have let 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: me go by myself. 119 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Tell me your toughest night there was one. 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: And it's funny you bring that up, because I'll go 121 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: down and speak in in the NYPD Academy quite often, 122 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: either at the CIC course, which is the Coronel investigation 123 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: course with new detectives, and I'll go and talk to them, 124 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: or once in a while I'll get to speak to 125 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: the recruits and in even colleges that I go and 126 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: speak at, and I tell him about this one night, 127 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: and God's honest true that this was the night. I'm 128 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: going to try to remember it. My partner and I 129 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: we were in uniform, and we start off the night 130 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: assisting narcotics who was chasing this guy down the street. 131 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: So we get in a foot pursuit into a park, 132 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: roll around in the park, lock him up, rip my shirt. 133 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: Have to go back to the priest and get a 134 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: new shirt. Later on that night, four people get shot 135 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: on the corner of one four nine in Broadway. Have 136 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: to assist them and go to that scene, and anti 137 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: crime ended locking the guy up who did the shooting. 138 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: So we're assisting running around with that with four people shot. 139 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: A little time later, a sixteen year old girl wanted 140 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: to jump off a twenty story building and me and 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: my partner got up to the roof in time, grabbed her, 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: flipped their back over the fence, and got her out 143 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: of that situation. A couple of hours later, we get 144 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: a call of an eight day old baby that's not breathing. 145 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: We run up to the apartment, grab the baby that 146 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: is totally unresponsive and not breathing, run down the stairs, 147 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: jump in the car I'm driving. My partner has the 148 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: baby on his lap. We're doing one hundred miles an 149 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: hour up riverside drive to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, and the 150 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 2: other cops in my command and the Northern command and 151 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: the three four shutting the streets down as we're going. 152 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: We're doing CPR in the front seat of the car 153 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: on an eight day old baby and get to the 154 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: emergency room and kind of slide sideways into the emergency 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: port and as soon as we did that, the baby 156 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: started crying. And then about an hour or two later, 157 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: we get a call that there's a cop shot in 158 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: the four to four preestinct, which is in the Bronx, 159 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: and they're coming over to Columbia Press because just in 160 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: the area of the Bronx they were. It was the 161 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: closest hospital in Manhattan, and they're flying over there and 162 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: we're flying up to the hospital to start shut some 163 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: streets down or whatever, and they pull into the emergency room. 164 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: We were just at with a great event that happened 165 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: a couple hours earlier, saving a baby, and now we 166 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: have a cop that shot pulling into the same area 167 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: and get in the back seat and get him out 168 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: of the car and up on a stretcher and into 169 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: the emergency room and unfortunately ended up dying from multiple 170 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: gunshot wounds. That was one night, that was one four 171 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: to twelve tour that I won't forget, and it's thirty 172 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: probably thirty two years ago, and I just rattled it 173 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 2: off the way I did because that's the kind of 174 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: night that was. 175 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: It's burned in that memory. How about your most memorable arrest? 176 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: Most memorable arrest was probably the shooting we were in. 177 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: I was involved in a shooting in nineteen ninety three, 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: a month after I got married. So Ange loved that. 179 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: With her, and she is so lovely and she is 180 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: so supportive and she is just I mean, I don't 181 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: have enough wonderful things to say about her. 182 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: But the time and of that a month literally it 183 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: ended up by the time we got back from our honeymoon. 184 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: It was probably, yeah, about two or three weeks later, 185 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: we get in a shooting with three individuals who robbed 186 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: the supermarket. One of the cops I was with got 187 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: shot during the exchange of gunfire. He got shot in 188 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: the leg. He was okay, he survived, but ended up 189 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: getting off the job. But we have this this shooting 190 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: with three individuals. Ralph was at my wedding. The couple 191 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: got shot. My partner who I was with that day, 192 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: was at my wedding. So we were all friends, not 193 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: just you know, partners, working, and we ended up getting 194 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: all three of them. We shot two of them. We 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: end up arresting all three and all three did about 196 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: one hundred years in jail. They're still in jail, which 197 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: is the best part. But that was, you know, it 198 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: was personal because of obviously them trying to kill us 199 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: in them shooting Ralph. So that was probably the one 200 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: that certainly stands out. 201 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: Now, you've already mentioned being in shootouts, in different situations 202 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: that were clearly dangerous, being on bridges. What was the 203 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: most dangerous situation in your thirty five years? 204 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Probably when I went to Afghanistan for three months as 205 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: part of the Joint Tyrorism Task Force. We were sent 206 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:37,239 Speaker 2: over there on a kidnapping case, and there were numerous 207 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 2: things that we ran into over there. Unfortunately, can't get 208 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: into the specifics of them, but think about just being 209 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: an NYPD cop and dealing with New York City or 210 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: the Bronx or Brooklyn wherever you might be, and now 211 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: being in the middle of a war zone and playing 212 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: by their rules, which there are aren't any, you know, 213 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: so having to deal with that and got out of, 214 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: you know, a couple of tough situations that we were in, 215 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: and the reason for getting out of them was not 216 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: being you know, tough for anything. It was pure experience 217 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: in not panicking and not overreacting to one or two 218 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: things and having a great partner at the time and 219 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: keeping our heads on and just you know, methodically kind 220 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: of working with each other to get out of a 221 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: couple of tough situations. But that was probably you know, 222 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: even afterwards, Cheryl, we you know, my partner after getting 223 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: out of one situation, looks at me and yells, hey, 224 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: I guess we're not in the Bronx anymore. 225 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: And hey, y'all, it wasn't like y'all were working in 226 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, Disneyland. No, I mean y'all had a pretty 227 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: rough environment. Y'all were working in every day. 228 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, every day, every single And when you got back 229 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: to Embassy compound, you know, you took a deep breath 230 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: that you got back, you know, and you were thankful 231 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: for it because it was you know, if you were 232 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: the passenger in the car driving around, that was your job. 233 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: You had to watch everyone walking, every car driving, every 234 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: double parked car, every you know, everything going on around 235 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: you because the driver was just driving. So it was 236 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: very stressful being out on the street when you had 237 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: to go and do wherever, or you had to drive 238 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: up to Bogram or wherever we had to go. So 239 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: when the day was done, and you were very thankful 240 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: you were back home. 241 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: When you sign up for the NYPD at eighteen, nineteen, 242 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Afghanistan is not crossing your mind. And 243 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I bet you there's a lot of people listening right 244 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: now that don't even realize that a police officer is 245 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: going to be sent into a war zone on a kidnapping. 246 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: Case, right and and that's kind of that was the 247 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: family you know. Here, here's the tough part, Sheryl. During 248 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: the time, you know, we're we're bound by you know, 249 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: classification and top secret clearances and all that when we're working. 250 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: So think about this. To even add more to that, 251 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: my family knew I was going to Afghanistan, but had 252 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: no idea why because I couldn't tell them why. So 253 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: I mean think about that, you know, thinking of their 254 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: stress level of you know, dad and your husband's going 255 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: to a war zone and you're an NYPD detective first 256 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: of all, why wow, so yep, and then not being 257 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: able to explain it, and then staying there for three months, 258 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: not a week, not a few days, three months of 259 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: not knowing why I was there. So you know, there's 260 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: things that happened in a career, and I tell you know, 261 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: I just mentioned being at the CIC course. When I 262 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: go there and talk to you young detectives, I tell them, 263 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: and it happened to me. You have to be prepared 264 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: for your entire world and career changing in one minute. 265 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: And that happened to me. You know, I would have 266 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: been absolutely the happiest detective in New York City if 267 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: I ended up on a homicide squad in the Bronx. 268 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: That was my goal. That's where I wanted to be. 269 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: That was it. That was the top of the line 270 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: that I thought in the NYPDA, And then nine to 271 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: eleven happens, and one hundred and two minutes later, I'm 272 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: assigned to the Terrorism Taskforce and around the world. So 273 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: that's what I tell them. You know, it's great to 274 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: have a plan, but you have to be ready to 275 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: adapt to something else, because the world is what it 276 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: is today. 277 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: And you know, you go home and you're literally packing 278 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and you tell Angie, Hey, you know, I don't know 279 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: how long I'm going to be gone. I can't tell 280 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: you what I'm doing. I can't take exactly I can 281 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: tell you Afghanistan, but I can't take exactly anything else. 282 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: You know, Feya and she and she just has to 283 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: be smiling and supportive. I'm gonna tell you right now, 284 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: if I did not have the job that I have 285 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: and did not have the understanding that I do, I 286 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: wish Walt McCollum would walk in here and tell me, Hey, 287 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm packing. I got to go, and I can't tell 288 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: you where, I can't tell you with who, and I 289 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: can't tell you for how long. You ain't gonna make 290 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: it to the door, sugar. I'm telling you so. It 291 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: takes a to me. She deserves part of your award. 292 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: Oh God. And I said it that night. 293 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: You did, You did it, and you said it beautifully 294 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: and it was true. 295 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: Though it was true because you know, spouses don't get 296 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: enough credit militarily and in law enforcement or first responders 297 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: as much as they should, because we know what we're doing, 298 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: we know where we're at, we know the situations where 299 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: we're in, and we're trained to handle them. They're sick 300 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: X amount of miles away not knowing where we are, 301 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: and to do that, I mean, think of you know, 302 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: my wife, think about that for thirty years, not a 303 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, thirty years of that thought in your 304 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: head of God. I really hope you come home tonight, 305 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: you know, and living with that, and then not just 306 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: taking care of yourself, but then taking care of three 307 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: kids on top of that. 308 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: Well, I will say this publicly again for the rookies 309 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: that are listening, for the young people going into this career, 310 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: pick your partner, take some time. I'm just telling you, 311 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: it will make all the difference in your life. I mean, Tom, 312 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: you had an impossible job to go to a war 313 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: zone when you had not been in the military. Correct 314 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: and Angie could have been crying and carrying and throwing 315 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: stuff and having a fit, and the kids could be 316 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: all out of control, and that would have made your 317 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: job impossible. But that's not what you had at home. 318 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: And I just want people to hear that, because if 319 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's jealous, if you've got somebody that 320 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have your back, if you're with somebody that doesn't 321 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: really want the best for you, you might want to think 322 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: about that relationship. 323 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I'm listening. I say it 324 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: all the time, and me and you have had this discussion, 325 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: not only you know, the night of the induction, but 326 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: you know after that that I'm lucky. You know, I'm 327 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: one of the fortunate ones, because so many marriages don't work, 328 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: and so many things go wrong in relationships with police officers, 329 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: and I'm one of the lucky ones. To be with 330 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: the same woman for thirty five years is not the norm. 331 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: And and that's sad to say, you know, that's and 332 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: I've said it so many times. I hate the reaction 333 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: I get when I'm out somewhere speaking and I say, 334 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, I've been with the same woman for thirty 335 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: five years, and people look at me, Oh my god, really, 336 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: and that shouldn't be And that's sad that that's the reaction, 337 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: but it's the reality of it. 338 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: Especially in our world. Most of the people we know 339 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: are on their second or third marriage. Yes, absolutely, So again, 340 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: take your time picking, take your time speaking of good partners. 341 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: Tell us about being paired up with somebody and you're 342 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: working twelve hours if not more in a car. 343 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: It is one of the most important decisions you can 344 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: make in the nypday. And you know, this goes back, 345 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 2: and it's a funny story, but this goes back to 346 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: watching my dad and watching him with his partners. I mean, 347 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 2: I still to this day speak to quite often. And 348 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: Joe actually just just passed away a couple of years ago, 349 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: one of my dad's partners and his family that's from 350 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: fifty some odds sixty years ago that they worked together, 351 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: and I still am in touch with his entire family. 352 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: And that's how that's what I grew up watching of 353 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: what partners were like and the relationship of families, and 354 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: not just you know, partners in the job, but family 355 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: relationships and them coming down to our house down the 356 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: Jersey Shore, and like I said this day, still reaching 357 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: out to them and seeing how they're doing, what's going on, 358 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: how are things all that, And that's what I grew 359 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: up watching. So that and here's here's the fun the 360 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: funny part of it, as silly as it's going to sound. 361 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: My favorite TV show growing up with Starsking Hodge, and. 362 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Part's a good one. 363 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: Part start right. Part of Star Skin Hodge was them 364 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: as partners and the way they were together, and I 365 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: as a young kid, going, I want that. That's the 366 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: partner I want and took that into the job and 367 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: I was lucky as anything to have some of the 368 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: most reliable, smart, tactical friends that were partners and each 369 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: of them had a different role in my career. You know, 370 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: when I was on patrol, George Faguero was my partner 371 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: and we were I mean, we did it right. We 372 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: knew each other. We had codes for certain things and 373 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: keywords for you know, you know, when one of them 374 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: got us out of a bad situation. One night, if 375 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: you want to hit just real quick, we pull a 376 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: car over, and we had a deal. We had we 377 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: had a system that if we called each other by 378 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: a different name, something was wrong. And we pulled a 379 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: car over one night on St. Nicholas Avenue, right off 380 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: of one four one hundred and forty five Street, and 381 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: I'm at the passenger I'm at the driver window and 382 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: figures at the passenger window. He didn't have a passenger, 383 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: solo driver and I'm looking around. I'm talking to him, 384 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: and figure goes, hey, mikey okay. I go yep, I'm 385 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: all good. And with that didn't even ask open the door, 386 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: grab the guy out of the car, pulled him out 387 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: of the car, cuffed him on St. Nicholas Avenue, right, 388 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of the street. Cuff him 389 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: on like what's up. And he goes in the back 390 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: seat and pulls a shotgun out of under the seat 391 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 2: of the driver's side seat. He saw the barrel sticking out, 392 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: grab it. We end up running him and he was 393 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: wanted for three bank robberies down in North Carolina. 394 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: But he's just that trust. Like you said, you didn't 395 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: question it, you didn't go huh yeah, oh my gosh, 396 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: just pure action because you know he's got you mm hm. 397 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: And that was a lot of trust. So you know, 398 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: do that on patrol with him, and then you know, 399 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: call us Perez, my partner in narcotics and in the 400 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: robbery squad, you know, and call us what I tell 401 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: him all the time. You know, he's the guy who 402 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: taught me how to be a detective, and just his 403 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: mindset of, hey, think outside the box, don't get caught 404 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: in that box. You know, let's let's think outside this, 405 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: how we get this, how do we get that? And 406 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: don't ever stop until we get the bad guys. You know, 407 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: he had a saying when we were in narcotics, just 408 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: get the bad guys. We'll figure everything else out later. 409 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: And I still use I use that my whole career. 410 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: Just get the bad guys. Everything else we'll figure out. 411 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: Well, there's brilliance in that My partner, Leslie Saunders. You know, 412 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: she's much older than me. She's probably gonna listen to 413 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: this episode, so I think she's eighty eighty one. But anyway, Wow, 414 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: But you know that trust, that understanding. You know, we 415 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: had that thing. Leslie can take anything, she can take 416 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: being called anything. You can be as vulgar and as 417 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: rude and as profane as you want, but if you 418 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: call her stupid, we have a situation. I don't know why. 419 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: I've never really known, because she's not stupid. She's one 420 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: of the brightest people that I know, but something about 421 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: somebody calling her that. So you you know, understanding your partner, 422 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: you can save that person getting in trouble. You know, 423 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: you take over the person that's being you know, loud 424 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: and you know, trying to degrade you, and you know, 425 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: cusse at you so that your partner doesn't take a 426 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: swing or doesn't you know, get caught on camera. You know, 427 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: you got to have that understanding. And I always felt 428 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: like part of my job wasn't just to make sure 429 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: we were saved, but to make sure, you know, she 430 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: looked good and you know we did the right thing. 431 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: Sure, and you know, There was one time quick you'll 432 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: love this if. 433 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: I can, Honey, it is your show. You talk about 434 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: what you want. 435 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: There was one time that Carlos actually got mad at me. 436 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 2: It manned relatively mad. So we're in a robbery squad 437 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: and you know, you go back to when you when 438 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: you ask for you know, your best arrest. I contemplated 439 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: telling you this story, but the shooting was was went 440 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: above it, but this one was really close. We get 441 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: called into the lieutenant's office and he says, hey, you know, 442 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: we got this pattern. You know of these two shootings 443 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: and these four robberies we think are connected. What do 444 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: we got on it? Do we have anyone? You know, 445 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm doing the chief's office at one o'clock and he's 446 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: going to rip me a new one for this thing 447 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: being open. What do we have? And we're like, well, 448 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: we don't have really anything, boss. We got. All we 449 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: had was a male black named Jerome with gold teeth 450 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: in the bronx. That's all we had. So so, being 451 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 2: the wise ass that I was at the time, I 452 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: looked at him and I go, what time's your meeting? 453 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: He goes one o'clock. Now it's like nine thirty ten, 454 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. So I go, all right, we'll 455 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: have it by one o'clock and he goes, get out 456 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: of my office. I'm like, we'll have him by one o'clock. 457 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: We walk out of his office. Carlos looks and me. 458 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: He goes, what are you doing. I'm like, he goes, 459 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: what are you way to your mind? I go, come on, 460 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: let's go. He goes, Tommy, we have Jerome in the Bronx. 461 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know, let's go. So we go 462 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: out and he's looking at me like, I mean, he 463 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: literally wanted to knock my head off because I did this. 464 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: So I go, come on, let's go. We go out. 465 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: He's like where we go? And he said, let's go 466 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: the first location of the shooting up on the Grand Concourse. 467 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: Walking across the street towards the building, and this kid's 468 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: walking across towards us, and he kind of looks at 469 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: us a little funny. So I stopped. I said, listen, 470 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: if he turns around, we're going to go grab and 471 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: talk to him. So the kid turns around, looks at us. 472 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: We run back across the street were grabbing him, like hey, 473 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: what's going on? And they started asking about the shooting. 474 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: He goes, I don't know who did it. I don't 475 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: know his name, but I know where his sister lives. Okay, 476 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: where's his sister lives? He gives us the address, so 477 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: we go over there and we're sitting in front of, 478 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, on this block. We have no idea where 479 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: on the street this possible sister lives. And we're sitting 480 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: there and this kid's walking down the street and he's 481 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: got a brown paper bag in his hand, having a drink. 482 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: So Carlos is in the passenger seat. Who can talk 483 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: to anybody. Carlos could talk to the devil, I mean, 484 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: with no issue whatsoever. And he calls him over and 485 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: he starts talking to him, and I look over and 486 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: the kid's not opening his mouth. So he said, Carlos, 487 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: make him laugh, just stay, just tell a joke, make 488 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: him laugh, and the kid laughs. He's got gold teeth. 489 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: So we get out of the car and we're like, hey, bro, listen, 490 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: you can't have an open beer, can you know? Everyone 491 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: sees us talking to you. We got to give you 492 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: a summons or some if you have your license. He goes, no, 493 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: I don't like. What's your name? He's like, you know. 494 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 2: He comes up with his Kevin or something. So we're like, 495 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: all right, oh, Mikey, I'm sorry, said Michael. He says, 496 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: Michael's my name. We're like, all right, listen, where's your license? 497 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: Hits up in my sister's apartment. Okay, let's go upstairs 498 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 2: his sister's apartment and get your get your license. We 499 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: go inside. He opens the door and hissist and he goes, hey, 500 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 2: the police are here. They gonna give me a summons 501 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: for an open container. The sister yells out, Jerome, why 502 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: are you always getting in trouble? We grab him, throw 503 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: him in the hallway, get him on the ground, cuff him, 504 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: go back to the precinct. Twelve forty five. 505 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Tom Smith, twelve forty five. 506 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: I call, We get to the office. I call the 507 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: chief's office and I asked for the Lieutenant's like, what 508 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: do you want? I said, we got him? He goes, 509 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: what I go, we got him? I said, you want 510 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: us to deliver them to you. You want to come 511 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 2: see him? He goes, I'll be right there. He walked 512 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: in and couldn't believe it. 513 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you're a legend right there. So let's 514 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: talk about when you got the call about the Hall 515 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: of Fame. 516 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we had nominated Kimber Gest to be 517 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: in a Hall of fame. Who is Oh my god, 518 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: I mean if she didn't get in a Hall of Fame, 519 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: there shouldn't be a Hall of Fame. Basically, you know, 520 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: that's why someone like her, who got shot eight times 521 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: and survived, is why the Hall of Fame was developed. 522 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: So we had nominated her right after we interviewed her 523 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: on the show. And one morning I'm here and Adam, 524 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: Megan and Danny facetimed me. And that wasn't unusual. We 525 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: had talked before, you know, about whatever whatever trip coming 526 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: up or whatever it might have been, So them calling 527 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: on a face wasn't unusual. So Meghan starts going, hey, 528 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: I just want to let you know Kimber got in. 529 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god, you just made my year, 530 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: you just made everything. I'm happy as hell great. I'm 531 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: thinking about Kimber. And while I'm thinking about Kimber, Meghan 532 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: says my name and I go, why did you just 533 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: say my name? So Megan goes, did you hear anything 534 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: I just said to you? For the last like forty seconds, 535 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, what'd you say? She's like. Then I 536 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: look at her, I'm like, why are you crying? 537 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 538 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, you And then she told me 539 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: that I got in and I was getting the Lifetime 540 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: Achievement Award and I just went wait, what, Like, what 541 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: are you talking about? I'm happy for Kimber. We're talking 542 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: about her. She's like, no, you got and then she 543 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: starts telling me that I got going to be inducted. 544 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: It took about ten seconds and I had to hang 545 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: up and I'm like, listen, I can't. I got to 546 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: call you guys back, because thirty years of emotions and 547 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: what you did and how you did it all came 548 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: rushing into my head in one shot. And it was 549 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: an extremely proud moment. And obviously the first person I 550 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: think of was my dad, wishing he was still here, 551 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: that I could have called him and told him that, 552 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, and everything he instilled in me and taught me, 553 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: and how do you do this and why you're doing it? 554 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: You know, all that came out, so you can imagine, 555 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, what I was feeling at that time, and 556 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: then having the opportunity to tell my family and then 557 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: about an hour later, I got to call him back, 558 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: but it was, you know, something so oh incredibly unexpected, 559 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: because we don't and I said it that night, Cheryl, 560 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: we don't go into this job to get things like this. 561 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: We don't. It's not on a checklist, it's not on 562 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: a to do list. You know. I want to be 563 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: a copy and get in the National Law Enforcements's Hall 564 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: of Fame. That's not even thought about, and that's not 565 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: why we get into law enforcement. So when you're thought 566 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: of like that and able to be inducted into such 567 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: an organization like this, it's a tremendous honor that I 568 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: just cherish all the time. 569 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Table fifteen. Yes, because 570 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: for most people, this type of night is elegant, it's formal, 571 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it's a once in a lifetime. It's probably 572 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: just the pinnacle of your career. I mean, there is 573 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: nothing any higher, right but not our table hunt. 574 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: Well, you made sure of that because and you were 575 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: right in saying it. Listen, we have to there's too 576 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: much seriousness that goes into our job and our profession 577 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: because most of the time we have to be a 578 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: certain way and carry ourselves a certain way. But when 579 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 2: you have the opportunity to just enjoy something with every 580 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: breath you have. And we laughed and joked and cried 581 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: and had the best time. You know, when you have 582 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, twenty five tables staring at us and looking 583 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: over us because because we're laughing so much. 584 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: The school kids table, thank you. Listen, we have Kimber 585 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: and herr nuggets in the We had Kimber and her mom, 586 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: You and your lovely bride, Dan and his lovely bride, 587 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: and Walt and I And let me tell you, we 588 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: laughed a lot. But I want everybody to hear me 589 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: when I tell y'all when Dan Murphy turns and says, 590 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: you want to know the best practical joke I ever pulled, 591 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: the night is going to take a turn, okay, And 592 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: then Kimber follows up with hers and then Tom Smith says, well, 593 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: this may or may not have happened. Well, at that point, 594 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: I just thought, man, if this table had a recording show, 595 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: it could be its own show. And everything we talked 596 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: about was true. Every story I told, every story y'all told, 597 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: absolutely true. But honey, it would probably get us in 598 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble with some folks, because oh. 599 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: My god, it we told her from practical jokes to 600 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: you know, situations all in on the street and things 601 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: we did. Was it was just you know, it was 602 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: a special night to begin with, but then it was 603 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: just extra that was like it was just an like 604 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: extra endings of a ballgame of what it was. And 605 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: we deserve that, you know. I say this all the time, 606 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: shar and you do too, that it's okay for cops 607 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: to feel that they deserve something, you know, a good 608 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: night like that. It's okay to feel that and to 609 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 2: understand that and to cherish those because we don't get 610 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: a lot of them, you know, and when we do, 611 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: we have to enjoy it because we just go through 612 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: way too much that ninety nine percent of the people 613 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 2: in this country would never even think of doing. And 614 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: when you have a chance to just laugh and joke 615 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: around with people who are now part of your family 616 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 2: and love and respect, it makes that night so much 617 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 2: more special. And Table fifteen is gonna pop up again 618 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 2: in April of twenty twenty six, for sure. 619 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: For sure, And I'll tell you know what they've done 620 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: with this Hall of fame. You said it that night, 621 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: and it is the truth. It is a family. 622 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 2: It is it's just, and it's a special family because 623 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 2: of what it represents. It's it's these stories and these 624 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: situations that people go through and get acknowledged. And Megan 625 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 2: and Adam do God's work because without them, no one 626 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 2: knows about these stories. No one knows about Kimber guests 627 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: who got shot eight times, you know, and survived, you know. 628 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: No one knows those stories of others who won awards 629 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 2: that night, the Canaan Awards, you know, you know, all 630 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: those and it gives everyone an opportunity to not just 631 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: the stories, but see the people who live through them. 632 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: And that's even more of an impact. When these people 633 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 2: are standing up on a stage and telling the story 634 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 2: of their induction and they're real, their flesh and blood, 635 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: their humans. They cry, they fail, and it all comes 636 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: to a head that night thanks to Megan and Adam's 637 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 2: hard work throughout a year. I mean, they start twenty 638 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 2: twenty five, happened in March, Megan started twenty twenty six 639 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 2: the following week. 640 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: Right, And let me just tell you, Megan and Adam 641 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: both they live it, they feel it, they believe in it. 642 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: They cry, they they feel every inductee and want to 643 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: make sure that they are honored in a way that 644 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: their families are going to be proud of. Is it 645 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: in just a hey, congratulations, you know you did a 646 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: great job this one night. That's not it all year long. 647 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: They reach out all year long. They're like, hey, everything good, 648 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, happy anniversary. Make sure you've already blocked out 649 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: the date for April. Like they want this family to 650 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: come back together year after year. 651 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. That's a great point because the night 652 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 2: is put together for all the families and the pop 653 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 2: and circumstance and the stuff on tables and the speakers 654 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 2: and the extra things that they have going on before 655 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 2: the induction night, This ceremony is all for families because 656 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 2: Megan and Adam understand that law enforcement is not a 657 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 2: singular entity. It's a family that goes through. Every single 658 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: thing that that cop goes through, the heartache, the pain, 659 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 2: the failures, the injuries, all of that is a family thing. 660 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 2: And they understand that, and that's why those nights are special. 661 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: And you know, Tom and I started a tradition sort 662 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: of sub level. Not everybody knows about it, but it's 663 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: something that's going to continue and it's one of those things. 664 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: It's almost like a secret code and that means the 665 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: world to me. So I cannot wait for this April 666 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: to watch you continue this tradition, sir. 667 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: Yes, and the only reason, and just to let you know, 668 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: we didn't do it last year because I wasn't going 669 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 2: to do it without you being there. So you know 670 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: that's why it wasn't done last year. So we're both 671 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 2: going to be there this year to continue that. And 672 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 2: you know that's I get through a speech that was, 673 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 2: you know, emotional, and I got through it and then 674 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: you throw your part in. I was like, really, you know, 675 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: I got through this and now you're going to throw 676 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: this at me. But it was and it's still where 677 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: I put it that and it's going to be removed 678 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 2: in April and it's going to be in someone else's hands. 679 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: So I can't wait for that. 680 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: Love it well, Tom Smith, I love you, I adore you, 681 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: I respect you. I am so proud that you were 682 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: the first guest for the National Law Enforcement Hall of 683 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: Fame Highlight Own Zone seven. 684 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't be more honored. And you know how 685 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: I feel about you talk about clicking with someone and 686 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 2: just an immediate connection was what me and you are 687 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 2: and continue to be. You know, for everyone listening to this, 688 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 2: we talk well at least once a week just to 689 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 2: say hi, because the respect level of our industry can 690 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 2: get mired in nonsense a lot. And when you fall 691 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 2: in love with true people who just have a admiration 692 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 2: and respect for it makes life so much better. And 693 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: you go through heartaches in his job and a lot 694 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 2: of bad stuff, but then when you get to where 695 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: we are now, it's all worth it because you're in 696 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 2: my family and I love you dearly and everything you 697 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 2: do and to have you be part of my life 698 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: is a blessing. 699 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is his own seven