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Speaker 1: Giants the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast. John Schmoke with you. Today's guest

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Speaker 1: Jim Nagy, the executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Jim Nagy he joins us every year, sometimes more than once.

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Speaker 1: Today he's gonna be previewing the Reese's Senior Bowl. We

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Speaker 1: will be out there at the RecA Senior Bowl and Mobile,

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Speaker 1: Alabama coming up the first week of February. Jim, thanks

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Speaker 1: you for being with us, man. How's your earlier treating you? John,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back on Things are good, man.

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Speaker 1: We're we're cranking. We got there's a lot going on

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Speaker 1: here in Mobile. We're a couple of days away here

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Speaker 1: from the HBCU Combine. We got players actually showing up

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Speaker 1: tomorrow for that Top four d HBCU players in the

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Speaker 1: country for this first ever combine event that we're that

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Speaker 1: we're doing in conjunct with the NFL League office, UM

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Speaker 1: in their football operations. So a lot going on, man,

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Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's great. We're excited and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to games in a second. But you were in

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Speaker 1: NFL scouting circles for a long time. I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about the Giants hire as a general manager

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane. I'm sure if you don't know him personally,

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Speaker 1: when I when when guys do get hired that that

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for Joe and his family to get that opportunity. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, he is a he's a smart guy. He's

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Speaker 1: he's a professional. I've been with him in many many settings,

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Speaker 1: be a Pro Bowl level guard. UM as a pro um.

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Speaker 1: Cole Strange is kind of a name that the league is.

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Speaker 1: The league really loves a kid from Tennessee, Chattanooga, UM

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Speaker 1: who honestly we just invited to the game based off

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Speaker 1: his Kentucky game. UM. He went to went up against

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Speaker 1: some NFL defensive linement on Kentucky and and wore them out.

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Speaker 1: Really tough, nasty athletic. Um, he's gonna play some center here.

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Speaker 1: He's been more of a natural guard at chat Um,

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Speaker 1: but he'll do some of that. So really deep group

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Speaker 1: inside outside. We we could go on and on. I

436
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Speaker 1: really like this offensive line crew. Um. They should easily

437
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Speaker 1: be able to find two starters out of what they

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Speaker 1: see here in mobile Gim only two more questions for you, uh,

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Speaker 1: In addition to the old line D line one on

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Speaker 1: ones when you've already covered those two groups, the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver cornerback one on ones I think are always very informative.

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Speaker 1: Is he guys that can create space? And and frankly,

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Speaker 1: if a corner is just averaging those drills, you probably

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Speaker 1: pretty feel pretty confident they canna be a good pro

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Speaker 1: because obviously that's a really tough spot with all that

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Speaker 1: space for those corners to cover one on one. Talk

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Speaker 1: about those two groups and and and what are some

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Speaker 1: of the matchups and some of the guys that that

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Speaker 1: fans should be excited about when those wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks take the field against each other. Yeah, bringing it

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Speaker 1: back to to the Giants, at Darnay Holmes a couple

452
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Speaker 1: of years ago from u C. L A. Came here

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Speaker 1: as a junior. He was a junior grad and really

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Speaker 1: had a good week and on the third round and

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Speaker 1: ter a Aaron Robinson to last year. Yeah, yeah, we

456
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Speaker 1: were big Aaron Robinson fans, Like, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a great pick. He's uh, you know, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to find I don't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: follow the NFL quite as closely as I like during

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Speaker 1: the college season because we're so locked in on what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. But um, going back a year ago, we

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Speaker 1: loved Aaron Robinson, you know, just his flexibility to play

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Speaker 1: outside and inside and safety and you know, tough, aggressive dud,

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Speaker 1: physical kid, athletic kid. Um. So no, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he ended up doing for the

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Speaker 1: Giants this yere, but but we really liked the player

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Speaker 1: when he was down here in scouting him. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the one of ones, I would say, Danny Gray

469
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Speaker 1: from SMU is a name that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: might not know. Really explosive kid two years at SMU,

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Speaker 1: former junior college guy. Um, just scratching the surface you

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Speaker 1: put on the tape, super explosive, big time playmaker for them.

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Speaker 1: And we have three SMU skilled players in this game. Game.

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Speaker 1: So again there's one of those offenses where they had

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Speaker 1: to spread the ball around a bunch. But but Danny

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Speaker 1: when he gets in the ball his hands, he's he's

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Speaker 1: kind of a big play waiting to happen. I think

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Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert, who's from our you know, right in our

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Speaker 1: backyard here in Mobile at South Alabama, who Joe Shane

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Speaker 1: saw that day. I think that he's gonna be somewhere

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Speaker 1: in that you know, uh, third fourth round, like fringe

482
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Speaker 1: top hundred mix right now. I think he'll elevate. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think Jalen is gonna play early as a pro. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know. Alec Pierce is a guy that really took

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Speaker 1: off this year in Cincinnati. Six three fifteen pounds, gonna

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Speaker 1: run low four fours. Um. Really became the go to

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Speaker 1: guy for for Desmond Ritter on the Cincinnati team this year.

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Speaker 1: And then you flip it on the other side, you know,

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Speaker 1: you got you kind of start for us locally here.

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Speaker 1: Roger McCreary at Auburn is a guy that can really

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Speaker 1: cover people. Um. I think he can be a really

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Speaker 1: good slot. Um, he just has the ability and match routes.

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Speaker 1: He's really good, really good shorter air, a quickness. And

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Speaker 1: then a guy like Teric Woolanum is a guy that

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Speaker 1: right now is under the radar. I think by the

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Speaker 1: time we get to April, everyone, he's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: household name when you're if you're a draft person. Um

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Speaker 1: Riek wil And he's you know, almost six four pound

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Speaker 1: kid that's gonna run in the low four three is

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Speaker 1: from uts A. It's gonna be one of the top height,

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Speaker 1: weight speed play. Uh, you know prospects in this draft.

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Speaker 1: And he's a guy converted from white out two years ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, you watch his twenty tape. You love the

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Speaker 1: fact that he's aggressive and he's willing to put his

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Speaker 1: face on people and strike people. Um. But then, but

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Speaker 1: he had, you know, obviously new to position, he had

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, instincts things and technique stuff

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Speaker 1: to clean up. This year he comes back, he's coached

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Speaker 1: by a former NFL player there and uh, and he

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Speaker 1: did clean up a lot of those things. So um,

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Speaker 1: I think those are just a couple of names. Again,

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Speaker 1: like all this stuff, John, I think we could go

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Speaker 1: on and on and on. But those are just a

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Speaker 1: few names that if I were Johns fans, I'd be

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Speaker 1: I'd be keeping an eye on all. Right to follow

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Speaker 1: ups here, Jim. First round picks. Like I said, you

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Speaker 1: guys dominate date two, But every year more and more

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Speaker 1: your guys are getting into that first round conversation. Who

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Speaker 1: are some of the guys that you think, with with

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Speaker 1: a really good performance this week could end up being

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Speaker 1: first round picks, either back half for or top half. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've had twenty over the last three years. Uh So

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Speaker 1: we went over the board, um with just with the

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Speaker 1: five quarterbacks. That's five right there, and that's you know,

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Speaker 1: this is just based off grades we're getting back from

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Speaker 1: the league. So there's five right there. We were in

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Speaker 1: the low twenties of guys that we thought could could

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Speaker 1: get there, you know, with a good a good week

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Speaker 1: in mobile, a good rest of the process. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: and I've mentioned a number of them. You're like Trevor

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Speaker 1: Penning and Trey McBride and um, you know that that

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Speaker 1: ed Rush group, Like I said, I think there's five

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Speaker 1: or six guys out of that crew. I think Tarik

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Speaker 1: wool and Roger McCreary. So a lot of guys we've

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Speaker 1: touched on um. But yeah, there's there's the number of

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Speaker 1: guys that we look forward to by the time we

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Speaker 1: get to April. It'd be cool to hear those guys

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Speaker 1: name names called in round one. Oh he's in the

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Speaker 1: final question? This is the question I always love to

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Speaker 1: ask you give me. I know you mentioned a couple

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Speaker 1: of them already. Who are some of these small school gems?

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Speaker 1: You have some division to Division three guys this year

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Speaker 1: that you think could really show out, you know, But

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Speaker 1: that's what the Senior Bowl does, right, You actually give

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Speaker 1: these guys an opportunity to see if they're physical ability

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Speaker 1: can match up against these bigger, power five school type

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Speaker 1: of guys. Who are some of those as that you think,

548
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: like the Kyle Duggers that maybe people will be talking

549
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: about a lot a week from now that now fans

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Speaker 1: have no idea who these guys are. That is That's

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Speaker 1: one of the best things about Senior Bowl week is

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Speaker 1: is the opportunity gives the small school guys. So like,

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Speaker 1: who's this year's Queenn miners Um? You know is a

554
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Speaker 1: Division three guy? I mean Quinn was was an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent for a lot of teams in the league

556
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Speaker 1: coming into the week. It's really the only time in

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Speaker 1: four years that I've deviated from you know where the

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Speaker 1: league's soft player. I just felt like a kid needed

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Speaker 1: a chance. So even and I'm not gonna sit here

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Speaker 1: and say that I thought Quinn Miners would do as

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Speaker 1: well as he did and you know, went in the

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Speaker 1: third round and starting for the Broncos this year, I

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Speaker 1: would have never even said that. I'll take the credit, Jim,

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Speaker 1: take the credit. Qu Quinn deserves all the credit there. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, in terms of the small school guys, like

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Speaker 1: I said, cool strange, I think there's a number of

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Speaker 1: a number of guys on the offensive line. Um, you

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Speaker 1: know Matt will let's go from North Dakota, UM, j

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Speaker 1: Tyree Carter from Southern Nick Sichel from in your backyard

570
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Speaker 1: at Fordham, Um is a really cool player on the

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Speaker 1: So that offensive line crew is uh is really loaded.

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Speaker 1: So um, I'd say those guys, I think a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys at corner, Um, Greg Jr. A kid from

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Speaker 1: Watch the Top Baptist UH is a is a is

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Speaker 1: an athletic corner that we're We're excited to see what

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Speaker 1: what Greg can do down here. You know, he actually

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Speaker 1: just he performed this week at the NFL p A

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Speaker 1: Bowl and thank god heard he had a great week.

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Speaker 1: So I'm happy that he's he's coming up a good

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Speaker 1: week out there. Um, so yeah, there's there's a number

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Speaker 1: of these guys. Christian Watson from North Dakota State, a

582
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Speaker 1: big wide receiver, a guy that can really really roll,

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Speaker 1: six four two and fifteen pound guy, kind of like

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce from Cincinnati, a big guy that can really

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Speaker 1: stretch the fielding wrong, like he's playing at a totally

586
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Speaker 1: different speed than than the guys in his conference in SCS. So, um,

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Speaker 1: those are just a few, but I know there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some cool names emerged during the week. That's always

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Speaker 1: you know, a really part, a really fun part of

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Speaker 1: the week. And when you see those guys Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday start to uh start to make a name for themselves.

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Speaker 1: D Jim can't wait to be out there practice and

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Speaker 1: why in person, can't wait to see you, Daniel, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for the time. Best of luck, and tell

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Speaker 1: the folks this is your chance promote anything you want

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Speaker 1: to promote. Where they check things out, where they should go,

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Speaker 1: tell everybody what they need to know about your Senior Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you just if you follow us on Twitter, my

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Speaker 1: my personal Twitter, Jim nag you underscore sp Senior Bowl Twitter.

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Speaker 1: At Senior Bowl, Um, we'll be posting behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: stuff all week, you know, kind of stuff in the

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Speaker 1: in the player meeting areas and really trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to give an inside look at what's going on. There.

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Speaker 1: Will be posting all the measurables from we're doing wins

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Speaker 1: at registration this year. So if you want to know

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Speaker 1: really how big these guys are and how how long

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Speaker 1: they are, we'll be posting all that stuff. Um. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: just check in with real time updates on our on

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Speaker 1: our Twitter feed, is what I'd say. Jim, can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see you next week. Man, Thanks so much, all right, John,

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Speaker 1: thanks travels safe man. Thank you. Jim Nay, Executive director

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Speaker 1: of the Reese's Senior Bowl. We thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us previewing the game next week and talking at the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants. I'm John Schamont. We'll see you next

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Speaker 1: time on the Johns Huttle Podcast