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Speaker 1: watch the New York Knicks stay alive one o six
Speaker 1: to one hundred over the Indiana Pacers. They battled back
Speaker 1: from twenty points down in the second quarter, they cut
Speaker 1: it to thirteen and the half, and then Karl Anthony
Speaker 1: Towns got hot in the third quarter and then they
Speaker 1: took it over in the fourth quarter as they win
Speaker 1: one oh six to one hundred over the Pacers, and
Speaker 1: now the series is now Pacers two one.
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Speaker 1: while supplies last. As I mentioned earlier, the Knicks come
Speaker 1: back from a twenty point deficit, thought they were about
Speaker 1: to get run out of the building. They composed themselves,
Speaker 1: cut it to thirteen at the half. Then they outscored
Speaker 1: by only outscored them by three in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: But in the fourth quarter they took over, outscored them
Speaker 1: by sixteen points, gave up thirty six points, something that
Speaker 1: Indiana doesn't do a whole lot of. It's give up
Speaker 1: a big quarter like that, but the Knicks needed it.
Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns was sensational twenty four points, fifteen rebounds,
Speaker 1: three or three from the three point line, fifth all
Speaker 1: time with twenty ten playoff game for the Knicks. Cat
Speaker 1: had as many points in the fourth quarter as the Pacers.
Speaker 1: He got going, and when he got it going, it
Speaker 1: was no stopping for I meant to say, you got
Speaker 1: to going in the fourth quarter, not the third. But
Speaker 1: he did hit a few couple of big buckets that
Speaker 1: got them going. Josh Hart ten points, eight rebounds, four assists,
Speaker 1: his first game coming off the bench because they started
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson, they went with a big lineup another twenty
Speaker 1: point comeback from the next The Knicks have the most
Speaker 1: twenty point comebacks three in a single postseason since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight. Jay, I know you watched this game very
Speaker 1: very closely, and it looked like the Pacers were in control,
Speaker 1: about to take a commanding lead three to zero. Everything
Speaker 1: was going inside outside, they were running getting out in transition.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's what they want to do, make or miss,
Speaker 1: they want to get out in transition. What did the
Speaker 1: Knicks do or what didn't the Pacers do to cause
Speaker 1: the outcome to be what it became at the end
Speaker 1: of the game. Well, personally, I think it was more
Speaker 1: about what the Pacers didn't do. Obviously, Okay, Go Towns
Speaker 1: made some big, big shots on the fourth wed. I
Speaker 1: just it just seemed like, you know, towards the end
Speaker 1: of the second quarter, they took the foot off the
Speaker 1: gas and then came out in the second half and
Speaker 1: they didn't have the same energy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the look at the game.
Speaker 1: The building wasn't even as ignited as it was in
Speaker 1: the first half because the energy was low. So you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that I look at when I look at
Speaker 1: this game, is where's the what is the best players doing?
Speaker 1: You know, Tarese Halibert, he has to take over the
Speaker 1: games right when you see your team struggling and you
Speaker 1: see it, you know the offense isn't flowing as well.
Speaker 1: I think he tends to take the back seat a
Speaker 1: little too much and and like that. So he has
Speaker 1: to he has to do a better job on saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is my team.
Speaker 2: You know we need it.
Speaker 1: We need a moment here. And I got to be
Speaker 1: the reason why. And I thought that didn't happen today.
Speaker 1: He had I think he made a shot or two. Uh,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, you know, the energy was
Speaker 1: low and they didn't compete.
Speaker 2: You know when you know the Knicks did in the fourth.
Speaker 1: I agree with you sometimes I do believe that Haley
Speaker 1: gets he's not as aggressive as I need him to be. Now,
Speaker 1: he only had six assists. That's because the guys couldn't
Speaker 1: buy back. I mean, you look at the shot Pascal,
Speaker 1: he was fifty percent from the floor, so was Miles Turner.
Speaker 1: But you look at Nie Smith. He was two of eight,
Speaker 1: one for three from the three point line. Miles Turner
Speaker 1: was six or twelve from the floor, but he's one
Speaker 1: for six from the three. Nim Hard was all three
Speaker 1: from the three, Hadley was two or six from the three.
Speaker 1: And so when you go five or twenty five from
Speaker 1: the three point line, that's that's a recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 2: And when the team gets it going. Hopefully we can get.
Speaker 1: Some of this in the Western Conference and all of
Speaker 1: them won't be blowout twenty points and forty point blowouts.
Speaker 1: But I thought the Knicks that second quarter, the end
Speaker 1: of the second quarter, that last three minutes Jermaine, I
Speaker 1: thought that was big for them because they could have
Speaker 1: went the other way. Instead of being down thirteen, they
Speaker 1: could have been down thirty three. And now maybe we're
Speaker 1: having a different discussion, but give those guys credit. You're
Speaker 1: on the road, you're in a hostile environment, you've already
Speaker 1: lost two home games. They banded together, they believed in themselves,
Speaker 1: and they made plays when they absolutely had to make plays.
Speaker 1: And you know, Johs jyl Bruns is gonna have his
Speaker 1: hand all over He's gonna find a way to get
Speaker 1: to the free throw line. That's just the way he is.
Speaker 1: And I would have wish say that they probably should
Speaker 1: have employed the hacker Robinson earlier. You know, hey, I
Speaker 1: filed him once I see the momentum start to slip it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, you got to go to the free throw
Speaker 1: line and make those shots. Oh, Joe, you're watching this
Speaker 1: game and you see the Knicks come back from twenty
Speaker 1: points down, yeah, and win this ball game.
Speaker 2: What did you like about the knicks resilience on the road? Listen?
Speaker 2: I like the fact that they kept fighting. Huh. I
Speaker 2: like the fact that they kept fighting.
Speaker 3: Jay, they need to find a way to stop being
Speaker 3: down by twenty, stop making the game that much more
Speaker 3: difficult for you. I don't understand how a why the
Speaker 3: way the Pacers played the first two games, right?
Speaker 2: Why not do what you did tonight?
Speaker 3: The previous two games you played before, for when you
Speaker 3: were playing at home, you had the event, you had
Speaker 3: the advantage. Now you play a much better game. Even
Speaker 3: though you're down about twenty, you play a much better game.
Speaker 3: And you're playing away in a hostile environment. And then
Speaker 3: I think the keys of the game also was when
Speaker 3: you not on you're down by twenty, but to be
Speaker 3: able to come back into the game. Were they able
Speaker 3: to do the last what five or six minutes of
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. Halle Burdon missed a step back the
Speaker 3: sequence where it was a sequence where I think it
Speaker 3: was maybe three minutes and sixteen seconds on o'clock where
Speaker 3: the goddamn the Pacers they had nothing but six points
Speaker 3: with multiple this is at that and I think it
Speaker 3: was there.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was in that matter and that fact, in that
Speaker 3: instance in general, where the Nicks took advantage that god
Speaker 3: damn Jalen Brunton, Hey, yunkie, something nice.
Speaker 2: People might go get to that pren throw Labe.
Speaker 1: He might struggle from the floor, but he's gonna find
Speaker 1: a way jail the slow getting.
Speaker 2: It the fre throw live. Well, it was. It was
Speaker 2: a key.
Speaker 1: It was a key moment in this game. You know,
Speaker 1: let's put aside what the Pacers didn't do and lean
Speaker 1: more on what the Knicks did. And it started to
Speaker 1: meet from the coaching side. Right, you go back to
Speaker 1: game one, the Knicks went on the run, they were
Speaker 1: up seventeen.
Speaker 2: Thibodeau makes a sub.
Speaker 1: Right, sometimes when the team's rolling, the very best player
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily have to be a part of that,
Speaker 1: because something you can sub and stopped.
Speaker 2: The floor of the game.
Speaker 1: Right, you fast forward to tonight right where the group
Speaker 1: that he had in there, they actually did a really
Speaker 1: good job on cutting it and he stretched that group out.
Speaker 2: So he did they cut it to I thing three
Speaker 2: of you know, possibly even two.
Speaker 1: And then when he needed to bring him, I think
Speaker 1: he brought Brusting back like two minutes and twenty yards
Speaker 1: ago in the game. So I thought the coaching part
Speaker 1: of it was a lot better tonight when it comes
Speaker 1: to this chess game, you know, which we see in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And plus give to of credit, he went
Speaker 1: with a big lineup tonight. He started Mitchell Robinson, he
Speaker 1: went with kat because Mitchell Robinson gave them extra possessions
Speaker 1: and so that's what we need. We need more than
Speaker 1: one possession. And so you know what, say Mitch, We're
Speaker 1: gonna lean on you tonight. We're gonna play twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 1: He played twenty nine minutes. I thought he was insational,
Speaker 1: brought Josh Hart off the bench, and I thought, you look,
Speaker 1: when you get it rolling like that, it's hard to
Speaker 1: break up momentum like that. Because if you look at
Speaker 1: the second quarter, he let Harlow let go. Those were
Speaker 1: not his regular guys in there. He let them go yeah,
Speaker 1: And and I thought the Knicks took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: They ended up Claria back and getting it down to thirteen.
Speaker 1: I thought McBride came in and made a couple of
Speaker 1: big shots. He had a big time three, he had
Speaker 1: a big time pull up. He's doing a little thing.
Speaker 1: He's a better He's a very good defender if you
Speaker 1: look at it, O Joe, We've been talking about this.
Speaker 1: They normally play seven guys. They played nine tonight nine
Speaker 1: to night. Andrew Shammick got eleven minutes, Darrell Wright got
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes. Josh Hart played you know, he normally played
Speaker 1: a little more minutes, but he came up the bitch.
Speaker 1: He played thirty four, and McBride gave you fifteen.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jo, And you say, you say Halle Burton, especially
Speaker 3: in I call it precious situations. You know, at the
Speaker 3: end of that game, you say, Halle Burton should take over.
Speaker 3: But if you look at what the Knicks were doing,
Speaker 3: the hell the Knicks was doubling Halliburton on all highs
Speaker 3: threess and forcing the ball really out his hands and
Speaker 3: leaving the owners of someone else on that team to
Speaker 3: have to have to shoot or get that point. From
Speaker 3: somewhere else, and they wasn't hitting.
Speaker 2: Sea burn the ball over. Yeah, they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, the office didn't flow very well. So I
Speaker 2: agree with you they did.
Speaker 1: And again, it's a chess match right now, right, you know,
Speaker 1: they're going back and forth. They're trying to take the
Speaker 1: ball out of certain people's hands. The thing the difference
Speaker 1: that I saw the night early in the game, I
Speaker 1: think the first half the Pacers bench I'll scored the
Speaker 1: k next bench I think twenty two to seven. And
Speaker 1: the third half the Knicks was a plus I think
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen. So the Florida game was a lot
Speaker 1: different for the Pacers.
Speaker 2: Early.
Speaker 1: I thought the Pacers got a lot statinated, you know,
Speaker 1: in the second half and and oho, to go back
Speaker 1: to what you was saying, what makes Halliburton really really
Speaker 1: good is when they're moving that ball, swinging that ball,
Speaker 1: catch him he catching the ball, you know, on the
Speaker 1: last live pass and he's going downhill. Well, the second
Speaker 1: half they got the second half, it was super stagnated.
Speaker 1: They got bumped up against the shot clock a lot,
Speaker 1: and the ball didn't necessarily end up in the right
Speaker 1: people's hand at the right time. Yeah, I thought he
Speaker 1: held onto the ball. The ball stuck a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit too long in his hands to Night Jail.
Speaker 1: I like with Halliburton, when they're getting make or miss,
Speaker 1: getting the ball off the rim and they're pushing tempo,
Speaker 1: that's when they're at their absolute best. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if Halley has it, if nim Hard, Niece Smith,
Speaker 1: it does not matter who had matthn It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: They're looking to push tempo.
Speaker 1: That's when they're at at the best, is when they're
Speaker 1: getting up and down. I thought Haley did a little
Speaker 1: bit too much gribbling to Night. I thought he was
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't like I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: the basket. Now, let me back it out again. And
Speaker 1: now he's getting off the ball at ten at ten seconds. Now,
Speaker 1: Hey don't know about it, because it's really when you
Speaker 1: really look at it, who's really looking to take somebody
Speaker 1: off the bounce see Ockham. Everything else is really set
Speaker 1: up by Halliburton doing a great job of getting penetration.
Speaker 1: They played a lot of picking roll, you know, like
Speaker 1: getting the high pick and roll with Myles Turner. He
Speaker 1: can he can roll to the basket, or he can
Speaker 1: hit the picking pop. But I thought the night I
Speaker 1: thought Hallley might have held onto the ball just a
Speaker 1: tad too much. But he had some guys that had
Speaker 1: some good looks at the basket tonight, Jail. They just
Speaker 1: didn't go down for twenty five is not knw well off. Clearly,
Speaker 1: that's not good enough when you're shooting twenty percent from
Speaker 1: the floor from the three point line. But when you
Speaker 1: play it, when you got to win this game, you're
Speaker 1: at home. You juste stole two games on the road.
Speaker 1: You got to win the first game back, jail. And
Speaker 1: it happened to them against Cleveland. Remember Cleveland did the
Speaker 1: same thing to them. They take the first two games
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. They come in there to get them, but Cleveland,
Speaker 1: really Cleveland took the game from the from the tip
Speaker 1: and I look at this gap and say, damn man,
Speaker 1: the Pacers about to go up three oh, only Knicks
Speaker 1: about to go up three oh. And then I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: y'all getting real sloppy with this basketball. Now there's still
Speaker 1: two and a half quarters to go. Now, I let
Speaker 1: hey don't let this thing slip away. And then they
Speaker 1: cut it right. They cut it right before the half.
Speaker 1: They got it down to thirteen, and they and I
Speaker 1: think the Knicks would think it. We got it manageable. Now,
Speaker 1: we got it manageable. If we come out Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: we come out here two threes. Hey, this thing under
Speaker 1: ten and we was down twenty just five minutes ago.
Speaker 3: Hey, they they got Hey, they got to find a
Speaker 3: way to stop being down in such a deficit, having
Speaker 3: to crawl back and fight back from twenty. I understand
Speaker 3: the game of basketball. It's all about it's a game
Speaker 3: of runs. But like, make it easy on yourself. Don't
Speaker 3: make every game where Okay, Now, we got to do
Speaker 3: everything we got to be. You got to be damn
Speaker 3: near perfect and hope the momentum shifts in your favor.
Speaker 3: Outside of that, I mean, listen, the Knicks bench played
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 2: It was ugly. It was ugly, Josh McBride, Robinson, Listen.
Speaker 3: They weren't they weren't flashy, but they outplayed Indiana second unit.
Speaker 3: And they can have another game like that when they
Speaker 3: play again on Tuesday, not Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. Listen, then
Speaker 3: they can have another game like that, especially the bench.
Speaker 3: We know what, we know what the starters are gonna do.
Speaker 3: They have another game like this, entire this series up,
Speaker 3: it can become interesting again because if they had lost
Speaker 3: a nice game, I really think it was over. I
Speaker 3: really think the series was over.
Speaker 1: Oh it was over. It was definitely, it was definitely
Speaker 1: over jail if they had lost this game, I think
Speaker 1: the thing was I'm struggling as as as a as
Speaker 1: a former player when I look at these playoffs and
Speaker 1: you see the live you know, throughout the season, time
Speaker 1: and possession is not a thing anymore in the NBA, no, right,
Speaker 1: especially in the in the playoffs where everything comes down.
Speaker 2: To possessions, right, I'm wanting more and more.
Speaker 1: Threes be launched, and it almost creates bad three bad threes.
Speaker 1: It created rhythm for other teams getting it and they're gone.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing why I'm struggling with a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back to the first game the Knicks,
Speaker 1: and again, I'm happy that you know that we are,
Speaker 1: you know, two to one, But when you look at
Speaker 1: that game, you know, fourteen with two minutes, and I
Speaker 1: think at the time it was forty fifty seven seconds.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: When you think about this, all you do is get
Speaker 1: four or five stops, and hell, you can get four
Speaker 1: or five shot clock violations, right, and you win the game.
Speaker 1: But I look at tonight where it's like every time
Speaker 1: it's like somebody it was some sort of rhythm is happening.
Speaker 1: A three are bad three? Go up right, or just
Speaker 1: bad possession. And that's the part where I'm struggling with
Speaker 1: a little bit right now, considering that this is just
Speaker 1: is go to the NBA finals, right, You're in the
Speaker 1: conference finals, so you should have some sort of understanding
Speaker 1: on how you know to win the game in the
Speaker 1: understanding too of how to lose the game as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we see a lot of that jail. I
Speaker 1: think sometimes guys get called little. I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: guy that break the rhythm. I'm gonna be the guy
Speaker 1: to get to hit the big shot that quelled their
Speaker 1: run or push us to If we're up five, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go up if we're up seven, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: up ten. I'm gonna be the guy that puss the
Speaker 1: you know that says, Okay, he hit that big shot. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a big shot in the corner that such
Speaker 1: and such hit. But what you do is that you
Speaker 1: allowed them, like you said, you allowed them to get
Speaker 1: a rhythm. You allowed them to get a run out
Speaker 1: on you, right, and now all of a sudden, you're like, bro,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in a situation like that, Jail, you're
Speaker 1: not telling a man don't take that shot. He's like, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just be patient, let's slow this thing down. But
Speaker 1: I think the thing is for the Pacers. Look, it's
Speaker 1: one game, you said to Jail, they're still up to one,
Speaker 1: and we got another game in our building. Now you've
Speaker 1: given the next life. The Knicks believe that they can
Speaker 1: beat your ass in your building because they just came
Speaker 1: back from twenty down, so they believe not anything close
Speaker 1: going into the fourth corner.
Speaker 2: They got You got that, man. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know who feels good about what I mean.
Speaker 1: Obviously the Knicks has some struggles at home, and now
Speaker 1: the Pacers.
Speaker 2: You know they had.
Speaker 1: When you think about the game, Karl, Anthony, Towns and
Speaker 1: and Brunston did come, they were in found trump. The
Speaker 1: didn't have a great first half at all, and yes
Speaker 1: they walk away with a win right when that game
Speaker 1: should have been a twenty plus point.
Speaker 2: Drumming of the of the Knicks.
Speaker 1: But they found a way to stay in the game,
Speaker 1: or the Pacers found a way to kid him in
Speaker 1: the game. And you look at the Pacers, Oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time your committee. And
Speaker 1: normally they have six guys in double figures. They had
Speaker 1: four guys in double figures tonight. Nick Smith two of eight,
Speaker 1: he only had eight points. You had them hard. He
Speaker 1: was two of nine or three he had nine points.
Speaker 1: Those guys normally get you thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, That's how.
Speaker 2: They normally played.
Speaker 1: Halliburton had two in Siakam and look that was the
Speaker 1: playoff career high to get in Game two, which he
Speaker 1: had thirty nine.
Speaker 2: He was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting them to have a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: thirty point playoff games.
Speaker 2: That's just not the type of offensive player that he is.
Speaker 1: He's a good player, but I'm not looking for him
Speaker 1: to go off like he went off in Game two.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Jail. I thought TJ. McConnell
Speaker 1: was sensational. Maybe you might need to buck those fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes up and give him twenty minutes, because hey, he battles,
Speaker 1: he pushes pace, he makes big time shots, he's a hustle.
Speaker 2: I love the way he played.
Speaker 1: But they're kicking themselves, just like the Knicks kicked themselves
Speaker 1: the first game, because they're like, man, we had Bruston
Speaker 1: go off for forty three, we had Cat go off
Speaker 1: for thirty six, and we lose. So now they're feeling
Speaker 1: good about themselves. They say, hold on Jalen Brust only
Speaker 1: played thirty one minutes. Cat only played thirty three minutes.
Speaker 1: Six of eighteen for Brunson. One of five Cat was
Speaker 1: three or seven, eight or seventeen. They had forty seven
Speaker 1: points in the game. They had damn near eighty points.
Speaker 1: They lose the game. They had forty seven and was
Speaker 1: the five trow but they win. So they're gonna take
Speaker 1: great consolation in this all being on the road. Like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: there ain't no We saw him do it twice to
Speaker 1: Boston in the Garden down twenty. We saw him be
Speaker 1: down at home in game three, no game with the
Speaker 1: game four and come back and win the game and then.
Speaker 2: Go close it out.
Speaker 1: I still like the Pacers if I if I'm into
Speaker 1: these teams, I like being up to one. I don't
Speaker 1: give a damn hot good I played the last game
Speaker 1: that other team is still has to one different.
Speaker 2: Up on us and we still got another game in
Speaker 2: their building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I'm with you on the McConnell deal, right,
Speaker 1: I think you know, he had ten first half points
Speaker 1: and I think he I thought he had a really
Speaker 1: good flow to the game early and then the second
Speaker 1: half he didn't see as much of him. Right, you know,
Speaker 1: he was in there, but it wasn't the same of
Speaker 1: an impact that. I don't know if because of the
Speaker 1: time or just a prhythm of the game, but I
Speaker 1: think he can be a very important component.
Speaker 2: But here's my question to both.
Speaker 1: Of you guys, is when the patients get in the
Speaker 1: funk offency like they did tonight, if Pascal come isn't
Speaker 1: the guy that you go for, they can go for
Speaker 1: thirty every night. And uh, Terrece Halliburton isn't a guy
Speaker 1: that can be aggressive all the time than who you
Speaker 1: go to m that. But see, that's the thing when
Speaker 1: you when you look when you look at this, they
Speaker 1: kind of remind me of the Rockets, but a little
Speaker 1: bit more seasoned, because who is the guy that you
Speaker 1: really want you to check the last shot? Now we've
Speaker 1: seen Halliburton hit some big shots, but you said, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this ball? Are we gonna give this
Speaker 1: ball to Pascal Siakam and let him go get us
Speaker 1: a basket? That's that's not what he is. He's a
Speaker 1: really good player. He is, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: try to diminish him here, but I'm not looking at
Speaker 1: him a guy that's gonna consistently like you know what
Speaker 1: we need twenty five at night.
Speaker 2: That's not what he is.
Speaker 3: Right And then Dale Jail, think about think about what
Speaker 3: you just asked. Right, is Pascal Siakam he's struggling late
Speaker 3: in the game, they doubling, They doubling Halliburg forcing them
Speaker 3: to kick the ball out. Do does everyone else? Do
Speaker 3: the other three players have the green light to be
Speaker 3: able to shoot at will when they want to impress
Speaker 3: the situations, especially down in that fourth quarter when obviously
Speaker 3: who you want, who you want the ball in their hands,
Speaker 3: they can't get it done. Do they have the green
Speaker 3: light to shoot that will?
Speaker 2: So? I think they do. I think that's what makes
Speaker 2: the Pacers really good is the death.
Speaker 1: When you look at the game that they won really
Speaker 1: both games, but then took with game one.
Speaker 2: I think they have seven guys in double figures that
Speaker 2: they have four.
Speaker 1: They have four tonight, right, they're gonna those others, you know,
Speaker 1: like Shack always says, the others, They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: really step up and free Halliburton. Halliburn's about to be aggressive,
Speaker 1: start to finish you know four. He cannot be passive.
Speaker 1: He cannot allow double you know, to you know, to
Speaker 1: take them out of the game. I mean, hell, the
Speaker 1: Pacers were doubling Brunston in the first two games, and
Speaker 1: Christian first game he had forty forty three, So he's
Speaker 1: not on the way, uh to really you know, stay
Speaker 1: you know, fight down and stay focused and stay you know, stayed,
Speaker 1: you know, greedy when it comes to, you know, making
Speaker 1: sure he's impacting the game, and then the rest of
Speaker 1: the guys are falling too place. But I just felt
Speaker 1: like tonight they just got a little too tight, you know,
Speaker 1: when the game was, you know, when the game was,
Speaker 1: you know was when when they went on, when the
Speaker 1: next one on, they running. They're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: away from that and realize that they are at home.
Speaker 1: The energy is behind him and that should be to
Speaker 1: carry him. Yeah, me, Smith, he's gonna give you eight,
Speaker 1: and he's been playing really wellnim Har has been playing really.
Speaker 2: Well ye eight nine.
Speaker 1: I thought matt Rick just didn't have it tonight, and
Speaker 1: it shows in the amount of minutes that he played.
Speaker 1: I think he thought he came in, he got a
Speaker 1: couple of files, picked up a couple of files early. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Carl out didn't have the confidence and to leave
Speaker 1: him in the ball game and he ended up going out. Uh.
Speaker 1: They brought Shepherd there. He had a big three. He's
Speaker 1: mainly a defensive guy that can knock down threes. I
Speaker 1: have given the opportunity, but you look at you look
Speaker 1: at this team. In order for them to win, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to have five six guys in double figures.
Speaker 2: That's how they've been all year. Jail.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, I mean they'll probably look at this,
Speaker 1: damn we only have four guys. We are they're one
Speaker 1: of the few teams that have five guys in double
Speaker 1: figures in the entire playoffs. And then mccallus. You know,
Speaker 1: mccallaugh can get you ten because he'll hear the big three.
Speaker 1: He'll get a couple of steals, get and one or something,
Speaker 1: get the crowd going. But I thought those others, Nie
Speaker 1: Smith and them Hard Mathren got Obie topping Obie normally.
Speaker 1: You know, he missed an easy one right there, you know,
Speaker 1: missed the put back.
Speaker 2: He'll be better.
Speaker 1: I think those guys, and I think if the guys
Speaker 1: that they're counting on the role players that Nie Smith
Speaker 1: and them Hard Mathron Obie, I think if they give
Speaker 1: you what they normally gave you throughout the entirety of
Speaker 1: the playoffs thus far, especially the first two games against
Speaker 1: the Knicks, I think they'll be fine. Twenty point comeback
Speaker 1: playoff wins in twenty twenty five, we already have six,
Speaker 1: and the last four postseasons combined, we've only had five.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, and we've seen three into what the last
Speaker 1: the last seven games, I mean, we saw Boston, we
Speaker 1: saw Boston give up to twenty point leads, and we
Speaker 1: just saw another one tonight.
Speaker 2: I guess the question also comes down to the Pacers bench.
Speaker 1: Was was was there wasn't the normal self tonight?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Typically they are the ones that they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: come in and every every night it's gonna be somebody
Speaker 1: to step up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The Knicks bench hasn't been impactful the series, but they
Speaker 1: were impactful tonight. The biggest question is can the Knicks
Speaker 1: bench come back again in Game four?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because I expect the Pacers to come back and be
Speaker 1: their normal self because Rick Carlisle is a hell of
Speaker 1: a coach, had a twin they played with him in Indiana.
Speaker 1: He's a huge adjustment coach. I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: smartest coaches I've ever been around. So I know he's
Speaker 1: gonna have those boys ready to go. But then when
Speaker 1: it comes down to the you know, you know, to
Speaker 1: the game itself, which which bench is going to carry
Speaker 1: their team? And if I had to put my money
Speaker 1: on it, and this is not me being a Homer,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Pacers because they've done it
Speaker 1: all year.
Speaker 2: Right. When you when you're when you're down in jail,
Speaker 2: you played, you played fifteen plus years. When you're down,
Speaker 2: is there a number that you don't feel that you
Speaker 2: can't come back from? And I know it's different than
Speaker 2: when you first got to the league because there wasn't
Speaker 2: a whole lot of twenty point comebacks because teams weren't
Speaker 2: shooting the three like they shoot it now. A twenty
Speaker 2: point lead in the first quarter, second quarter, even midway
Speaker 2: through the third quarter ain't ish because guys can hit.
Speaker 2: They can get on the road and hit two or
Speaker 2: three threes and a layup.
Speaker 1: And what was a twenty point lead now as all
Speaker 1: of a sudden the ten or eight point lead, and
Speaker 1: so it's a lot different now. But was there ever
Speaker 1: a number that you take your team got down and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, damn, yep, we got to get ready
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Now it's a fifteen to eighteen it was.
Speaker 1: It was tough to come back back then. You know,
Speaker 1: that was almost like death, right if you're down at
Speaker 1: fifteen eighteen points, because you know we were gonna it's
Speaker 1: the ties is turnal lot, right? You got offensive flow
Speaker 1: analytics is to me, it's getting people, getting people fired.
Speaker 1: I'm a pack right, you know this analytic thing is
Speaker 1: going crazy. Bro got them to take your bad threes
Speaker 1: instead of good twos, good toos. Right, But I mean
Speaker 1: you look at our MVP ASGA. He's a mid range killer, right,
Speaker 1: he's taking these those tools. But but to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I don't eighteen to twenty points in the playoff game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get ready for the next game because you
Speaker 1: ain't coming back from that. Because most teams won't allow
Speaker 1: you to because it was a defensive mind that you know,
Speaker 1: the mindset you know from the start, right, So how
Speaker 1: many times we can stop you?
Speaker 2: Now, how many times we can shoot you? Right?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's happening in the NBA right now.
Speaker 1: You have these huge swings. But you know it was
Speaker 1: no way in hell, you know, you know if we
Speaker 1: playing somebody, or or the Pistons or in New Jersey
Speaker 1: had j Kidd and you know all of the good
Speaker 1: defensive teams, they were never gonna allow you to come back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But now I guess in two minutes you could score.
Speaker 1: You can score twenty to twenty five and two minutes.
Speaker 1: And the problem is also jail, is that teams take
Speaker 1: bad quick shots. I mean, all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: see a team going a ten o run in under
Speaker 1: a minute, like hell, hey, hey, I'm just gonna hold
Speaker 1: the ball, Jay, I'm just gonna hold the ball. Let
Speaker 1: the shot clock run down. I'm gonna give it the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the shot cut run down twice. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get I will get past.
Speaker 2: A men, listen.
Speaker 1: And the craziest thing that I as a just a
Speaker 1: life frin basketball, wing threes and corner threes create fast breaks,
Speaker 1: and yes, they're out off and roll over and over.
Speaker 1: You see the same thing, and unbalanced defensive floor. So
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure exactly what they are what they're teaching,
Speaker 1: you know, in the NBA right now from perspective of
Speaker 1: those things. But then you know, they tell them that's
Speaker 1: the short port, that short, that short, that corner three,
Speaker 1: that's the short three of jail.
Speaker 2: But what happened with that? That charm, that long careme?
Speaker 1: And next thing, you know, the guy hey in two dribbles,
Speaker 1: he already got somebody at the rim yep, And you're like,
Speaker 1: and they keep getting and I understand the next tonight
Speaker 1: there's like, y'all not hit them, so we'll give them
Speaker 1: to you. Y'all not making them right. So five of
Speaker 1: twenty five, and they had some good looks. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like they were shooting a lot of contested threes, but
Speaker 1: some of them were quick. It's a look I understand
Speaker 1: who to stay wide open. Yeah, there's a reason why
Speaker 1: you wide open. And it's only twenty four and only
Speaker 1: twenty seconds that's going off the clock. Hey, excuse only
Speaker 1: four seconds going up to the clock, take it down
Speaker 1: a little bit more if and I understand.
Speaker 2: Look, the paces are flow team jail.
Speaker 1: They love to run there at their absolute best, and
Speaker 1: they're very few teams that can keep that pace up
Speaker 1: with them. Because if you look at who they who
Speaker 1: the guys they got Nie Smith, nim Hard Mathburn, they're
Speaker 1: kind of interchangeable. They're kind of like the same guy,
Speaker 1: same about the same height and can get up and
Speaker 1: down and play.
Speaker 2: McConnell comes in.
Speaker 1: Look, now he's not Halliburton, but he can do a
Speaker 1: great job of orchestraty offense. He's a bulldog, he can
Speaker 1: make tough shots.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: He's genation's on deepense, little undersized, but he plays hard.
Speaker 1: And when you got guys like that, you don't give
Speaker 1: up a whole lot because you're not asking a guy
Speaker 1: you don't see them, I mean them leadings score on
Speaker 1: who's that leads go propace of siaka what nineteen? So
Speaker 1: they have probably got another guy with seventeen, another guy
Speaker 1: was fifteen, THEO got fifteen, fourteen, twelve. You're not going
Speaker 1: to have the disparity when you got a guy average
Speaker 1: twenty eight and then the next guy closed the to him,
Speaker 1: he is averaging fifteen.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Jao, you you mentioned some of the some
Speaker 3: of the the adjustments that that coach Carlisle could make.
Speaker 2: You know how smart he is.
Speaker 3: So obviously I'm thinking about on the other end, with
Speaker 3: what Tim doing something that he normally doesn't do. Normally
Speaker 3: he plays seven, but tonight he played nine. What adjustments
Speaker 3: I know you your patients, guy, what adjustment you think
Speaker 3: Tims can make to ensure that this game or this
Speaker 3: series evens itself up next time they play on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know that, you know, no matter who
Speaker 1: we are, you know, on that professional roster, when the
Speaker 1: coach shows trust, you know, we feel confident, don't feel
Speaker 1: sped up, we don't feel tight. I thought Tims did
Speaker 1: a hell of a job on showing confidence in his bench,
Speaker 1: and he kept coming back to it. I thought the
Speaker 1: previous two games he relied too much on Brunson Towns
Speaker 1: right in the stuff. There was no side to side,
Speaker 1: and with Brunston being sixty's one, right, he know they
Speaker 1: trapping him.
Speaker 2: Every shot is hard.
Speaker 1: I think that Tibbs has to stay with what worked
Speaker 1: this game, with a understanding that you know, he may
Speaker 1: have to make it, you know, some end game adjustments.
Speaker 1: But I thought, I thought tonight he was good at
Speaker 1: from that perspective. And again I was sitting there talking
Speaker 1: to my business manager, you know, watching this game. I
Speaker 1: didn't know who won the battle because it was a
Speaker 1: tail of two different halves right where I just felt ye.
Speaker 1: In the first half, the Pacers looked like the Pacers
Speaker 1: all side to side. They didn't want good shots, they
Speaker 1: wanted great shots. Then the second half, right it was stagnated,
Speaker 1: you know, bumped up against the shot clock. Nick's first
Speaker 1: half stagnated. Every shot was tough. Every If you go
Speaker 1: back and look at the game, they were even running
Speaker 1: the Pacers had them running their hair, their half court offense.
Speaker 1: Then they're at the half court line. They had him
Speaker 1: bumped up against the half court line. And then the
Speaker 1: second half they got what they wanted called Anthony Towns
Speaker 1: for the life of God, that boy should start on
Speaker 1: the box and then move his way out.
Speaker 3: And you would say, you were preaching that for the
Speaker 3: longest for years.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he shoots all these crazy threes,
Speaker 1: because he does have some work down low. He does. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's skilled. Yeah, but I thought I thought the Knicks defense.
Speaker 1: There are a couple of times that the Pacers got
Speaker 1: in transition, and the nixt transition defense was sensational, blocked
Speaker 1: them out. Hey, no you didn't getting here make him
Speaker 1: pass out. They come back again, said, nope, nope, not
Speaker 1: doing it again. But I tell you what, when they
Speaker 1: take Carl laugh any times out, they got to do
Speaker 1: a better job of getting on the boards because Mitchell
Speaker 1: Robinson's giving him too many opportunities, second chance points.
Speaker 2: And that's what he's in there for.
Speaker 1: He's in there to challenge if you get to it,
Speaker 1: if you beat your guy, he's going to challenge you
Speaker 1: at the rim. But he also wants to give brunts
Speaker 1: and he wants to give those other guys second chance opportunities.
Speaker 1: And so they're gonna have to do a better job
Speaker 1: of keeping him off the glass. And I think if
Speaker 1: they could do and plus also Josh Hart, remember Josh
Speaker 1: Hart the other night, Oh Joe, he only had like
Speaker 1: five rebounds.
Speaker 2: He had ten tonight and he had that in the
Speaker 2: reserve role. So you see he got better.
Speaker 1: Nim Hard and and and and and the other guy
Speaker 1: at and Nee Smith.
Speaker 2: They didn't do what they did in the first two games.
Speaker 1: So one guy got better, the other two kind of
Speaker 1: kind of slid back a little bit, and I think
Speaker 1: that was the difference in the ball game.
Speaker 2: He gave.
Speaker 1: He gave you a great production eight points, twelve, ten
Speaker 1: rebounds for fists steel and only had one turnover.
Speaker 2: Because he's the Swiss Army Knife. He's the guy that's
Speaker 2: gonna do it all.
Speaker 1: He's gonna take a charge, he gonna give your second
Speaker 1: chance point, hes gonna get your second chance opportunities. He's
Speaker 1: gonna facilitate a he could. He's a great pass of
Speaker 1: the basketball, and hey, he can, and he can. He's
Speaker 1: a good defender. I thought he I thought his presidence
Speaker 1: the night was really really good. But you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do a job of keeping Mitchell Robinson off the glass.
Speaker 1: Too many. He gave the Knicks too many opportunities. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had three offensive rebounds. Josh Hart had three offensive rebounds.
Speaker 1: That's too many. Miles Miles Bridges had too. You gotta
Speaker 1: kee him up the glass, got to. I tell you
Speaker 1: this the X factor for me going into Game four.
Speaker 1: He hadn't played well at all this this round.
Speaker 2: But Benedicte mather.
Speaker 1: Yep, he's been big for them all year and he's
Speaker 1: really really struggled. I need to reach out to my
Speaker 1: young boy and just he just need to just relax
Speaker 1: and play the game.
Speaker 2: He knows how to play, but he hadn't been great
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: If he comes out and he plays the way he's
Speaker 1: capable of playing where he played this season, it will
Speaker 1: be difficult right to try to double Haliburton or anybody else.
Speaker 2: Right, I think you know he's an X factor for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I thought I didn't think Siaka was
Speaker 1: aggressive enough to night. Remember the other night he had
Speaker 1: what twenty three shot at temph to night he had fourteen,
Speaker 1: Myles Turnatives had twelve.
Speaker 2: Halliburton has fifteen. Bro.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, if you just had a thirty nine
Speaker 1: point game and you cool with taking fourteen shots, ill, No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get me another thirty nine point game.
Speaker 2: I'm going to the rack.
Speaker 3: Hey, young Hey, do you think the players know? Do
Speaker 3: you think someone keeps tracking how many shots they taking? Joe,
Speaker 3: did you keep tracking how many balls?
Speaker 2: You call it? You're talking the ball? You go to the
Speaker 2: lab game? Hold on, now about football and basketball is
Speaker 2: kind of different. Do you do.
Speaker 3: Do you really know on the court jail how many
Speaker 3: shots you've taken in the game? Do they do coaches
Speaker 3: let you know you just have free will?
Speaker 2: Jorge? Yeah, yeah, you you definitely know.
Speaker 1: You can know because on the sideline almost every time
Speaker 1: out they have scores, you know, score sheet where you
Speaker 1: can go look at, you know, the stat sheet on
Speaker 1: what you know, what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Typically you might ask a coach, hey, man, you know
Speaker 2: what so long? How many shots to take? It?
Speaker 1: Especially especially if you're struggling a little bit right right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask that question. Because now they got thirty
Speaker 1: seven coaches on the roster. You know, if you look
Speaker 1: behind the bench, somebody has everybody but you do. You
Speaker 1: are you are aware on how many shots you've taken
Speaker 1: and what your stats are because you know, you always
Speaker 1: got that one one of the two coaches that's telling you
Speaker 1: know what's going on in the game because they want
Speaker 1: you to be aggressive. He needs to be aggressive. And
Speaker 1: like I said, and you see what when he's aggressive.
Speaker 1: The guys that are aggressive that need to be aggressive
Speaker 1: Siakam and Halliburt, they're supposed to be your two best players,
Speaker 1: where your two best players need to play like your
Speaker 1: two best players, and they should never have to be
Speaker 1: in a feel like they're in a reserve role. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like Halliburt feel like like he's a role player,
Speaker 1: like he a bench player. Noah, Bro, you're an all star.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you have to you as a gold medal? Be
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: Be him?
Speaker 1: Be him. You just dropped thirty nine. Bro, you just
Speaker 1: dropped thirty nine. Took twenty three shots to get it,
Speaker 1: and you cool with taking fourteen? Noh, bro, gon try
Speaker 1: to get that back. Be aggressive because he was aggressive
Speaker 1: in game two. I'm telling extremely aggressive. I guess the
Speaker 1: question is you know when you when you're the away team,
Speaker 1: you expected, right, you expect this to viciousness, to people
Speaker 1: talking about your mama, your kids. You expect that when
Speaker 1: you walk into you know, you know, to arena. When
Speaker 1: you come home. You almost try to be too perfect, yes, right,
Speaker 1: try to on yourself with being perfect and doing everything
Speaker 1: right because you don't want to let your home crowd down.
Speaker 2: And it looks that way.
Speaker 1: That's why tonight I thought the Pacers were a little
Speaker 1: too tight. You know, when things got tight, you know,
Speaker 1: when the game got tight, you know, people wanted to
Speaker 1: rely on somebody else to do it, versus they overpassed
Speaker 1: the ball. Jail, I was looking at bro. Stop shooting
Speaker 1: the ball, YEP, wouldn't shoot it, everybody. I want to
Speaker 1: make that man. I want to make sure. I want
Speaker 1: to make the right play. No, Bro, shoot the ball,
Speaker 1: shoot it, shoot it. You don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna call you selfish. Nobody looks at the
Speaker 1: Pacers and think this is a selfish ball club because
Speaker 1: we have too many guys that scoring double figures. So
Speaker 1: you can't have that many guys scoring in double figures
Speaker 1: and be a selfish ball club. We don't think you're
Speaker 1: a selfish ball club. But you don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be perfect to win. And I
Speaker 1: just thought tonight, I thought, sometimes they overpassed the ball
Speaker 1: and it ended up turning it over.
Speaker 3: Hold On, you call it overpassing. What happened to not
Speaker 3: being in rhythm? What happened not being in common, not
Speaker 3: having the confidence shoot the ball at that specific time?
Speaker 3: Based on the circum sands of the game at the time.
Speaker 3: You said, well, all their players most of the time
Speaker 3: are in double figures. All Yeah, those players are also
Speaker 3: in rhythm. Also, those players are also a little bit
Speaker 3: more efficient from the field than they were tonight, so
Speaker 3: there's a little bit more comfortability with taking those shots
Speaker 3: as opposed to overpass the night.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm not.
Speaker 3: In rhythm right now, based on the game and the
Speaker 3: circumstance that we're in right now, I don't want to
Speaker 3: take that shot from somebody else.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't feel like that the ball gonna find you.
Speaker 1: You ever noticed you ever noticed how they put infield
Speaker 1: outfielder in the field or infield in baseball, throw the ball,
Speaker 1: find it, the ball getting hit right to them, somebody
Speaker 1: getting it. We need a spere receiver, everybody cover somehohow
Speaker 1: the ball got to find hire or the dB when
Speaker 1: they put a D corner in the game, the spot
Speaker 1: whatever he is, What what do ball do? The ball
Speaker 1: gonna find you every time. So if you if you're
Speaker 1: not if you're not confident, somehow the ball won't find.
Speaker 2: That goes back to what this more of a question
Speaker 2: for both of you guys. Are you Are you more.
Speaker 3: Comfortable at home or the villain on the road or
Speaker 3: I like I like I like being the villain on
Speaker 3: the road. I like you, I like kay I, I
Speaker 3: operate very well in a chaotic environment.
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable being uncomfortable. It's weird. Yep, no I play.
Speaker 2: I played. I think I played my best at home.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be I just want to be
Speaker 1: able to hear the snapcount because I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: down to feel as fast as I can. And if
Speaker 1: you notice, and when they when when in track meets,
Speaker 1: when they say runners to their mark, everything.
Speaker 2: Is hushed talking for everybody here. Hit the gun. I
Speaker 2: need to hear a gun.
Speaker 1: I need to hear that hunt and and ball up
Speaker 1: out of there. Let me know what you think about this,
Speaker 1: jail Jeff t says Jaylen Bronson holding the ball for
Speaker 1: most of the shot clock is the reason why New
Speaker 1: York initially went down two against the Pacers.
Speaker 2: You know how the Knicks lose these games.
Speaker 1: The shot clock is twenty four, Jayalen brunther it hold
Speaker 1: the ball for seventeen of them.
Speaker 2: They don't get no rhythm. You agree or disagree?
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, And that's what I thought happening,
Speaker 1: especially the first game when he came back in when
Speaker 1: they were up. You know, I think you're up seventeen.
Speaker 1: He came back in and the rhythm they just looked
Speaker 1: out of swords. When you talk, you're talking about two
Speaker 1: teams and the top seven and top eight defensively in
Speaker 1: the NBA, right, And so both can guard and the
Speaker 1: Pacers they're physical, they switch every day, and they have size.
Speaker 1: And with Brunston at six foot one, is as good
Speaker 1: as he is with the ball. It's crafty, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best guards in the league. In the
Speaker 1: playoff scenario, I think it makes it tough when he
Speaker 1: has the ball in his hand and the majority of
Speaker 1: the time he's dribling, dribbling, dribbling, and you get bumped
Speaker 1: up against the shot clot all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: ball find somebody else with two seconds, you know, two
Speaker 1: seconds of going the shot clock. That's not a great
Speaker 1: rhythm for two Nottins that are really good defensively, and
Speaker 1: really both of them are top the top seven offensively
Speaker 1: as well. Right, So if he can be top seven
Speaker 1: off defensively, doesn't mean the ball moves around. And I
Speaker 1: thought tonight it was almost a mere image of a
Speaker 1: really good offensive team because in the second half the
Speaker 1: Knicks were able to move the ball around and people
Speaker 1: are able to hurt, you know, hurt you you know
Speaker 1: doing that. And I thought called Anthony Towns his best
Speaker 1: even though he's some big threes. Look at how many
Speaker 1: times he got to the basket, right, That opens up
Speaker 1: his three ball because now he's attacking the basket. Now
Speaker 1: people can't stay in front of him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So I mean to based on what jef T said,
Speaker 3: Jail you can probably you know, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Is there a way that Jen and Brusson can operate
Speaker 3: the offense and getting the ball and be quick and
Speaker 3: getting everything set up, be quick, but not in a
Speaker 3: hurry as I feel like you rushing things.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you got to.
Speaker 1: I think walking the ball down, you know, put him
Speaker 1: up against the clock from the start, right, I think
Speaker 1: getting the ball out, you know on in particular, missus,
Speaker 1: you know, let's get the ball up the court. Nothing's there, boom,
Speaker 1: let's get into our offense. Let's get let's get a
Speaker 1: really good shot based off our offense. A lot of
Speaker 1: times when they get if you want, I want you
Speaker 1: guys watched this of the next you know, hopefully the
Speaker 1: Cippies doesn't go too many more games. So why so
Speaker 1: many times they walk the ball up against. It's hard
Speaker 1: to walk the ball up against really good defensive teams,
Speaker 1: right because they're set and they're waiting and they're trying
Speaker 1: to take everything away. And I just think that, you know,
Speaker 1: with him, with his size and how crafty is he has,
Speaker 1: he has to put his stself in a better position
Speaker 1: into the shot clock a little bit earlier. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this jail. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: these stats, but Nicks only had thirteen of cis. Bridges
Speaker 1: had one, Og had two, Cat had one, Robinson had one,
Speaker 1: Bronson had one, McBride had none, Hart had four, Right
Speaker 1: had one.
Speaker 2: Shamman had two.
Speaker 1: You scored one hundred plus points and you got thirteen
Speaker 1: of cists.
Speaker 2: That is crazy. And I'm looking at that.
Speaker 1: I even I didn't know that thirteen and you got
Speaker 1: one hundred points. I think you're gonna have thirteen to sais,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have probably about seventy five eighty. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of catching the holding and that's the dom Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly it. See if that's the same, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: know you're getting put backs, you letting the team get
Speaker 1: second chance points on you. Nobody creates an assists for you.
Speaker 1: That's just you doing the ball, and so it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. I'm axious to see the adjustments.
Speaker 1: We saw the adjustments that the Knicks made. The adjustment
Speaker 1: was insert Mitchell Robinson, get the ball out of Halley's hand.
Speaker 1: Let's see if somebody else can create office for this team. Uh.
Speaker 2: Leading assists guy was Halle. They had a couple of
Speaker 2: guys with three.
Speaker 1: McConnell had three, mem Hardy had three, Turner had three.
Speaker 1: Neie Smiths played twenty six minutes. Bro, you gotta give us,
Speaker 1: you gotta give us a call on that zero assists. Fascal,
Speaker 1: I need about four or five assists from you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you'd have guy, because you just scored thirty nine.
Speaker 1: They make them come help you make them come, doube
Speaker 1: See you're not aggressive.
Speaker 2: They like and I know. Look, og Is is a
Speaker 2: very good defending.
Speaker 1: He got the best of o g Yeah game two,
Speaker 1: og held his own Game three, og Ga sixteen. So
Speaker 1: they basically played to a stand still. But Pascal's minus
Speaker 1: twenty one. He's minus twenty one. You had the lowest
Speaker 1: plus minus of anybody that text.
Speaker 2: The court, well to.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the magical word for this series
Speaker 1: is sustainability. Right, Can you sustain what you did in
Speaker 1: the first half and bring it to the second half
Speaker 1: and be better, right, or at least, you know, keep
Speaker 1: it at the same level. It seems like in this
Speaker 1: series as it's a changing of the guards when it
Speaker 1: comes to how they're performing from half to halts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And so I think that you know, you know, the
Speaker 1: way the Pacers had it rocking in the first half
Speaker 1: of tonight, if they can take that same energy and
Speaker 1: bring it, you know, to the second half, they run
Speaker 1: away with this game probably by thirty Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you can say that to you know, you can say that.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though the Pacers shot the lights out
Speaker 1: of it, you know, the first game. But it's just
Speaker 1: it's just it's just strange, man, Like these these these
Speaker 1: big swings and in the playoffs right where you know,
Speaker 1: it's not you're playing the same team, right, it's not like, right,
Speaker 1: you got to redo the you know, Scott report.
Speaker 2: But I guess it's it's kind of the new era
Speaker 2: when it.
Speaker 1: You know, it depends on who's gonna get hot, who's
Speaker 1: gonna be aggressive, who wants to impact the game, who
Speaker 1: doesn't want to impact the game.
Speaker 2: Who feels good, who doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of scenarios that it's coming into play Man,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, which is unusual for something, you know,
Speaker 1: just late in the season. Yeah, and I go back
Speaker 1: to a jail and I want to and I think
Speaker 1: this is what happened, is that when they got that
Speaker 1: twenty point lead, I thought they was gonna close it
Speaker 1: out and probably keep it at twenty, maybe even get
Speaker 1: push it somewhere around thirty, right, But.
Speaker 2: The Knicks had other idea. The Knicks ended up cutting it.
Speaker 1: They ended up going to like a mini run, and
Speaker 1: they ended up cutting it to thirteen, so they had
Speaker 1: to feel really really good thirteen and still boy share
Speaker 1: and that's still double digits. But still you were down
Speaker 1: twenty and in the blink of but now you got
Speaker 1: it down. You got it down to thirteen. And and
Speaker 1: I thought, like early in the third, you know, they
Speaker 1: got it down to ten and then the Pacers pushing
Speaker 1: back to fifteen. But then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: see them get that thing down to seven, they get
Speaker 1: it down to five.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, oh yeah, oh, now you're at home and.
Speaker 1: Your quiet, your crowd as long as I can get longer,
Speaker 1: as long as I can keep the crowd out of it, jail.
Speaker 2: I like my chances from the road team. Now I
Speaker 2: done got the crowd out of it.
Speaker 1: You had him in the you had him in the
Speaker 1: game in the second quarter, and now here it is
Speaker 1: the third quarter, getting ready to head into the fourth,
Speaker 1: and they quiet yeah again. And I love Terry Halliburton.
Speaker 1: I think he's a hell of a player. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to just continue to get better. But I
Speaker 1: didn't see on that. I didn't see out there tonight
Speaker 1: where somebody was like, Yo, you give me the damn ball, right,
Speaker 1: give me the ball, right, I'm about to do this.
Speaker 1: And as as the point guard, you can really at
Speaker 1: the table and set and set the chemistry of the
Speaker 1: team with that mentality, right, And I just felt like
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you look, he was kind of
Speaker 1: off ball, and I understand they were trapping him when
Speaker 1: he got the ball, but he has to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive about, you know, the will to
Speaker 1: want to win the game. And I think he will
Speaker 1: be because he seems like a really good competitor. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be because now now the Knicks
Speaker 1: feeling like, hey man, we get this one and we
Speaker 1: get to go back to the garden. You know, we're
Speaker 1: in a great position. And to tell you the truth,
Speaker 1: it's a must win situation for the Pacers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come get before.
Speaker 1: They got to win that game because if you go
Speaker 1: back to two, now it's the best side of three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: make it hard on yourself when the Knicks have a
Speaker 1: home court yep, Sga said. The Thunder got punched in
Speaker 1: the mouth by Anthony Edwards and the Wolves. We got
Speaker 1: punched in the mouth and next game we're either going
Speaker 1: to get back up or not, and we'll lose the game.
Speaker 2: The timber Wolds shot lights out in Game three. They
Speaker 2: hit fifty seven percent of their shot.
Speaker 1: They went twenty or forty from the three point line,
Speaker 1: collected night team, more rebounds, had fourteen more points in
Speaker 1: the paint, and man thirty points in thirty minutes now rebounds,
Speaker 1: five or sis two steals he was plus he was
Speaker 1: twelve or seventeen from the floor, five of eight from
Speaker 1: the three. Finally got that three ball going because the
Speaker 1: first two games it was non existent. Plus thirty six,
Speaker 1: five and one in the target center this postseason.
Speaker 2: Which Thaya jail I don't.
Speaker 1: There's no way Oklahoma City plays the way they play,
Speaker 1: and I think it'll be difficult for Minnesota. Minnesota and
Speaker 1: will them in that first half, you know, he he
Speaker 1: just simply willed them.
Speaker 2: I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Minnesota has the debt two because again, you got a
Speaker 1: thing in the playoffs that will come.
Speaker 2: What happens if they start trapping and man, and then
Speaker 2: who you go to?
Speaker 1: Right, you're talking about OKC is one of the best
Speaker 1: scoring teams.
Speaker 2: Hell, they said it, they said it.
Speaker 1: They was historical, you know, historical this year when it
Speaker 1: came to yeah, you know, margins of victory, right, that
Speaker 1: came because the level of depth when it comes to scoring,
Speaker 1: it's probably best in the league. Right, And so I
Speaker 1: would think that they're gonna come back, you know, with
Speaker 1: the sense of urgency and do the things that they've
Speaker 1: just completed them in doing all year. Right, It's not
Speaker 1: something that they got to go in and figure out
Speaker 1: in the locker, Right, you know who's gonna do what?
Speaker 1: They just got to get back to doing what they've
Speaker 1: been doing, and then you know they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: I think they this is this is a year that
Speaker 1: I would love to see them play against the Pacers
Speaker 1: because you got two teams that play with depth, and
Speaker 1: I think it's ultimately may end up being that way.
Speaker 1: But I see a series going being three to one
Speaker 1: after tomorrow night. Yeah, hey, you I'm looking at this.
Speaker 1: I thought the Timberwolves got Shannon Junior came up the
Speaker 1: bench in thirteen minutes and gave him fifteen big points.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought Dante Deevin Chienzo hears some big threes to
Speaker 1: keep that lead, keep that.
Speaker 2: When at Man went to the.
Speaker 1: Bench, I thought navs Reed played played probably his best
Speaker 1: game of this sedition short series thus far.
Speaker 2: Miller came in.
Speaker 1: I just thought, look, but the keys for them is
Speaker 1: ant Man to be efficient and Drew Raanda.
Speaker 2: You look at jew Radna.
Speaker 1: He had a really good game Game one, and then
Speaker 1: he was non existing in game two and they got
Speaker 1: blown out. He didn't even play in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: They're like, now we good get to go on sail
Speaker 1: there and get your mind right. They showed the clipboy.
Speaker 1: He's telling the feferal, y'all go ahead and go we
Speaker 1: I ain't going back in the game. We ain't about
Speaker 1: to win this game. I see all the Hey, we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to go back to Minnesota. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: him something there. Randa was nine to fifteen from the floor,
Speaker 1: two of five, four to fourth from the free throw line,
Speaker 1: plus thirty eight in thirty minutes twenty four points. Ant Man,
Speaker 1: as I said before, thirty minutes twelve or seventeen, five
Speaker 1: of eight, one of two for the free throw line.
Speaker 1: He had nine rebounds, six as sists, two steals plus
Speaker 1: thirty six thirty points. When those two guys getting it going. Now, McDaniels,
Speaker 1: here's some big shot yesterday. I thought he did a
Speaker 1: good job and thought he did a better job on Shay,
Speaker 1: did a great job of keeping keeping him off the
Speaker 1: fire line. He only had four free throw attempts. You know,
Speaker 1: Shade normally somewhere in that ten. He could easily be
Speaker 1: ten to thirteen attempts for night. I thought they did
Speaker 1: a great job of keeping him off the file line,
Speaker 1: making it tough on everybody. Rudy Gobert had his best game,
Speaker 1: although he only had seven points. But I thought the
Speaker 1: bench for Minnesota was sensational last night, and they needed
Speaker 1: to be because that's where Okay, see you look at
Speaker 1: Okac's bench when they come with Caruso, and they come
Speaker 1: with Wiggins, and they come with Wallace, and they come
Speaker 1: without saying Joe, they don't miss a beat. They ate,
Speaker 1: they got the other Jalen Williams. They they're they're deep.
Speaker 1: They gonna play. They have to play ten eleven guys
Speaker 1: that did not have a problem playing playing it, playing
Speaker 1: his rook guys. He believed him, like, we've been playing
Speaker 1: them all year, while we're gonna get to the playoffs
Speaker 1: now and cut our bench, increase those guys minute, get
Speaker 1: them tired, and put him in a situation that I
Speaker 1: used to be in it all year. So I like
Speaker 1: his philosophy.
Speaker 3: Hey, and and also you know the peggyback on what
Speaker 3: Jo said about obviously them making the adjustments for Anthony
Speaker 3: Edwards to stop him. Obviously, what do you what are
Speaker 3: they going to do once they trapp him? Well, obviously,
Speaker 3: and you got to know that coming out already that
Speaker 3: they're gonna make adjustments to try and stop you, and
Speaker 3: having the kick from everybody else in the bench has
Speaker 3: they have to find a way to play the exact
Speaker 3: same way they did this game.
Speaker 2: Shannon Jr. DEVI, you said I don't want to Vicenzo.
Speaker 3: Uh McDaniels and ain't got to be aggressive again, trapp
Speaker 3: or not. Hey, there were games you win into you
Speaker 3: know this double team is coming.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I don't man, I don't see none of that. You
Speaker 3: know what, he has to have that same mentality that
Speaker 3: he had this game he got address.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at him with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of times he had like twelve cents,
Speaker 1: he had nine and siss. He trusted his guys. Now
Speaker 1: if you let him slip through the crack, he going
Speaker 1: to the rim. Every time you go, he going to
Speaker 1: the rim. But the thing that I like about him,
Speaker 1: he is very unselfish. He will give the ball up. Now,
Speaker 1: he's gonna give the ball up if you're knocking down shots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his mentality is you're not knocking down shots and we
Speaker 1: lose it. Let me go in this phone booth and
Speaker 1: put this cap on and see what I can do. Right, well,
Speaker 1: I say this, I will say this and again every
Speaker 1: player in whether it's NDIA, NFL, Major League Baseball, NHL,
Speaker 1: those are the very best athletes in the world. Absolutely
Speaker 1: just start there. Don't be done on nobody. People be
Speaker 1: like this man the gallon then he ain't good. Nah,
Speaker 1: he's good. Yeah, yeah, it's good. He just ain't that
Speaker 1: than it was. You know, it's out there right right
Speaker 1: right right. I will say this and you almost saw
Speaker 1: it happen tonight. If Karl Anthony Towns don't go for
Speaker 1: twenty you know, in that in that in that fourth quarter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you put people it's one thing about you know,
Speaker 1: having a you know, having an opportunity to get you know,
Speaker 1: to get having yourself a night, right, well, in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: if you have yourself a night, then the next night
Speaker 1: it's going to be a script for you with tickling basketball.
Speaker 2: Right. And so from that perspective is.
Speaker 1: Can you have the will and endurance, mind, body and
Speaker 1: soul to come and have another one?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 1: Typically that hadn't been your role, right, And so that's
Speaker 1: the difference when I see teams like Indiana, teams like
Speaker 1: Okay se where they've all season long depending on that debt,
Speaker 1: and they've been every night somebody goes to twenty five
Speaker 1: or you know, twenty two. Right, it's been consistent. And
Speaker 1: you hear them talk they always talk about the numbers, right,
Speaker 1: we trust our teammates. You look at Minnesota, you look
Speaker 1: at the Knicks. Do they have that right that have
Speaker 1: that on their roster where somebody off that bench or
Speaker 1: somebody that's not Karl Anthony Towns or a man or.
Speaker 2: Julius Rando, you know that.
Speaker 1: Can you know Jaylen Brynston that can come off the
Speaker 1: bench and be that factor the remaining the remaining of
Speaker 1: the of the of that series. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they have that right. And that's the
Speaker 1: biggest question. You know, we're about to be about to
Speaker 1: find out. What do you expecting in game A Game four?
Speaker 1: Because the first three games have been a snooze fest.
Speaker 1: They haven't been close is very disappointing. I mean, forty
Speaker 1: two points twenty plus twenty I mean, you're like, bro,
Speaker 1: these are these are supposed to be the two best
Speaker 1: teams in the Western Conference and they're losing by an
Speaker 1: average of probably twenty points a game.
Speaker 2: That's not good.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not even I love the offensive floor of things, right.
Speaker 2: I think offensive the high numbers is good.
Speaker 1: But in the playoffs, I think defensive strategy, right is
Speaker 1: the most important part that we should be seeing more.
Speaker 1: To get beat by forty or thirty plus in the
Speaker 1: playoffs is crazy to me crazy, So you're crazy to me, bro,
Speaker 1: I just I can't digest that. And I'm as if
Speaker 1: you watch, and I'm watched as a fan, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: how does this happen? You know everything about this roster, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the Scotting report is immense. I mean you
Speaker 1: guys about you know exactly what? Yes, everything, quarter back
Speaker 1: hold the ball like it. It's like you what ross
Speaker 1: he liked to run the split, He liked to run
Speaker 1: him from down in distant area of the field, red zone,
Speaker 1: backed up, middle of the field, whole normation everything Trip said,
Speaker 1: two boy one three by one has an empty back field.
Speaker 2: Then you know the funny thing about it?
Speaker 3: And then even though you have all that information that
Speaker 3: you need, you can have all that information you need
Speaker 3: and study, watch film, but you still got to execute
Speaker 3: it once you get out there. Absolutely, you got executed
Speaker 3: once you get out there. And that's why I'm hoping.
Speaker 3: How I see I see the next game going. I
Speaker 3: think the Wolves are probably gonna win again. But it
Speaker 3: has to it has it has to come from the
Speaker 3: exact same way it did the first time it all started.
Speaker 2: It win nobody there right away.
Speaker 3: You got to be aggressive because if you lose his
Speaker 3: next game, you go down three one, you're.
Speaker 1: Going home when you go back to Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was one hundred percent. It's a must win for
Speaker 1: both Minnesota and Indiana. Right, Wow, it's a must win, bro.
Speaker 1: I think you know, you put too much at risk
Speaker 1: if you don't win those games. And as I was,
Speaker 1: done impossible. You're not about to Minnesota, not about to
Speaker 1: go to OKC and win down three winning or even
Speaker 1: win the series.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's interesting to see, you know
Speaker 2: what's having.
Speaker 1: I like games like tonight whereas it's it's the score
Speaker 1: is tight, energy is you know, everybody sitting on the edge.
Speaker 1: Nobody want to see a game where the damn commentators
Speaker 1: got to make up stuff to talk about in the
Speaker 1: third quarter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's great.
Speaker 1: Talking about Yeah, they talk about when they played way
Speaker 1: back when. Now the focus on this game, right, But
Speaker 1: I mean, you got that, and sometimes that's you got.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why you got to be great at storytelling,
Speaker 1: because every game is not gonna be niptok, And then
Speaker 1: you gotta find ways to try to keep the fans
Speaker 1: entertained the best you possibly can. After the Lakers got bounced,
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick emphasized that the team needed to be in
Speaker 1: championship shape shape. While he didn't mention your names, many
Speaker 1: took the comments of the clear message to Luca. Well
Speaker 1: weeks later, Luca made a significant public appearance. UH Luca
Speaker 1: made his first significant public appearance by attending Real Madrid's
Speaker 1: basketball game and posted these on I G.
Speaker 2: You think that's Ai? Yeah, that's what. There's no way
Speaker 2: hell if he lost that week that fast? And why
Speaker 2: the hell he ain't doing it during the season. Hey,
Speaker 2: that that's it. That's what I'm ay. Don't I don't
Speaker 2: care what he looks like right now. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: when he come back to play. That would he looked
Speaker 2: like this when he come back to play?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 2: Held on? Hey, hey do you think he uncle jail?
Speaker 2: You think he took that Olympic Olympic?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: Nah, he ain't. No, No, I don't the UK. I
Speaker 2: don't think you can take that there then be a player.
Speaker 2: I have a question. Okay, you can't take that as
Speaker 2: an NBA player? Right? How many weeks they've been out
Speaker 2: they've been out of season? What three? Two? If that
Speaker 2: ain't been that damn long for him to look like
Speaker 2: it ain't been that long for you to lose all
Speaker 2: that weight like that. He probably took that Olympic stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, you know it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I've watched him, Like when you watch him play
Speaker 1: with his national team, he always looks thinner.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 1: Then he comes back to the United States and it's
Speaker 1: like he's eating East rolls and postive. But the American food.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Europeans, they're not as big
Speaker 1: as Americans. It's up about the food.
Speaker 2: Hell eating a lot of I mean you do.
Speaker 1: I mean if you go, if you go to Europe,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see as many and you.
Speaker 2: Know people that that's a little heavier.
Speaker 1: You don't see a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's doing something. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: now jail. You know this. Their bodies are gonna be
Speaker 2: their bodies.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be sculpted, gonna have albs, They're not
Speaker 1: gonna have caps on their shoulders, They're not gonna have
Speaker 1: that much. They all look alike. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: European player with muscles. You look at Yokic, you look
Speaker 1: at Luca, you look at Manu, you look at Zubos.
Speaker 1: You look at any international player, tell me the one Sabonas,
Speaker 1: tell me the one you say, Okay, caps on the shoulder,
Speaker 1: ripped up calves.
Speaker 2: They just that's how they look.
Speaker 1: It's only one that's Gianna's that I think is is Yeah,
Speaker 1: Johanna's got that Nigerian base. They're the difference. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: my basis is based and it's not chiding. So he
Speaker 1: comes from the foundation that stock. It's a little different
Speaker 1: than what uh the Europeans with y'all Luca and jokicch
Speaker 1: and Manu and all those guys came out of But
Speaker 1: he looks good. But like I said, I don't worry
Speaker 1: about the guy right now, and he ain't got to
Speaker 1: play for another four five months. I want to see
Speaker 1: him look like that when he comes back. It's strange
Speaker 1: that he would say that. And now if it wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of truth to everything we heard coming out
Speaker 1: of Dallas. Yeah, and you know when you look at him,
Speaker 1: you got Kinesio tape everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like he's not.
Speaker 1: At twenty five, and I mean not at twenty You
Speaker 1: should have Cannisio tape. You should be hey put together
Speaker 1: like hey like that like my grub, my coffee table.
Speaker 2: When we're growing up. You shouldn't look like that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. We had that black electric tape
Speaker 2: holding up everything. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had Cannisio tape at twenty three, twenty four, he's
Speaker 1: twenty six. Now I'm like, bro, why you need all
Speaker 1: that to hold you together? But you remember now he
Speaker 1: missed ninety one ninety two games the last two seasons. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: He's missed a lot of games at an early age.
Speaker 1: And you know it clearly, it's something behind. When you
Speaker 1: let a talent like that leave at twenty five years old,
Speaker 1: it's a hell of a lot of things got to
Speaker 1: be happening behind the scenes, you know, to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're not even going after draft picks.
Speaker 2: You know we're not. We just want to go get
Speaker 2: you know, get get one player.
Speaker 1: That basically a one for one, one for one and
Speaker 1: we and we ain't gonna have no more conversation. So
Speaker 1: that that said a lot. But you can see what
Speaker 1: Dallas trying to go with it. It's a risk. He
Speaker 1: got him number one pick this year. We'll see how
Speaker 1: that turns out, you know, with the rest of the bigs.
Speaker 1: I do believe that they're gonna have to probably move
Speaker 1: some other some some pieces to bring on another piece.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna have Kyrie to start. Hell, he
Speaker 1: probably want to have Kyrie the first half of the
Speaker 1: season next year exactly. I don't think Kyrie coming back
Speaker 1: to in January. Well, you know, he do a lot
Speaker 1: of He do a lot of meditating and a lot
Speaker 1: of you know. Yeah, I mean if you on him,
Speaker 1: he got a torn a cl and it's not like
Speaker 1: it's a big man that you got to get up
Speaker 1: and down. Kyrie is stan framed. Uh, I mean theoretically
Speaker 1: he could. I mean it could be seven months because
Speaker 1: when he teared that he towards me in what late March, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see him probably coming back late December, by the
Speaker 1: early early January jail. Yeah, he hadn't been but and
Speaker 1: you think about it, he hadn't been a player that
Speaker 1: will rush back anyway. Nope, right in his career. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna make sure he's ready to go. But again,
Speaker 1: when he's right, he's one of the best part.
Speaker 2: He's spectacular. What do you think the Lakers need to do?
Speaker 1: What if they're big, If there's somebody you think the
Speaker 1: Lakers can get or should get in order to give
Speaker 1: them a great opportunity to compete for title because at
Speaker 1: this point in time, I mean, that's all Lebron is
Speaker 1: really playing for. Here's here's my question is can the
Speaker 1: Lakers be the Lakers with Lebron having the ball in
Speaker 1: his hand at a lesser level?
Speaker 2: Right? Can you know, and even with.
Speaker 1: Jokic, I mean you, I mean with Luca, Yeah, can
Speaker 1: you have a third person that can take some of
Speaker 1: the pressure off of those two?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because the thing the problem is when those two have
Speaker 1: the ball in the hand the majority of the time,
Speaker 1: and Lebron is a different monster. You know, he can
Speaker 1: make things happen, get downhill, the ball does stop, and
Speaker 1: so can you have somebody else that make life easier
Speaker 1: for those two?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because Lebron is forty plus years old, right, He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be there. He's not gonna be to carry the
Speaker 1: load like he's typically carried that, even though he can
Speaker 1: still go for you know, thirty or forty. But you're
Speaker 1: gonna need You're gonna need a third person that can
Speaker 1: really make things easier. And I'm not sure how they
Speaker 1: do it with the cap issues that they have, but
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they have enough right now.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be seven eighth, ninth playing you
Speaker 1: know type of deal if they don't make a move. Oh,
Speaker 1: they got to make a move. I think the thing is,
Speaker 1: first of all, this is what we know. Lebron is
Speaker 1: better without the ball than Luca. Luca cannot play off
Speaker 1: the ball. Lebron can play off the ball because you're
Speaker 1: not putting Luca in the dunker spot. You're not gonna do.
Speaker 1: There are certain things you're not gonna do. And prior
Speaker 1: to this playoffs offst Reeves with that guy. That gave
Speaker 1: him a break because we saw Austin Reeves go get
Speaker 1: forty against Indiana and without Luca and Lebron. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened. Now the report saw that he
Speaker 1: had an end. He got nicked at some point in
Speaker 1: time late in the season or maybe got nicked in
Speaker 1: that playoff series, and he wasn't as as impactful as
Speaker 1: he needed to beat. I thought they had an opportunity
Speaker 1: in game What was that was that game three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Game three, but he ended up playing Lebron then forty
Speaker 1: six minutes and he just wore them out. You got
Speaker 1: to get bro, you played first of all, Lebron had
Speaker 1: already played like forty one minutes in game two, and
Speaker 1: then you turn around in burning forty six in game three.
Speaker 1: You got Look, I don't care what forty year old
Speaker 1: he cannot. Yeah, there had been a forty year old
Speaker 1: creator that can play for in a playoff game after
Speaker 1: coming off for forty one minute. But that's what that's
Speaker 1: so Phoenix had that idea, that third person bring being
Speaker 1: Bradley Bill. Obviously Bradley Bill hadn't been healthy, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about an impact player, you know, coming in and
Speaker 1: supposedly having that that level of impact on the team
Speaker 1: where those guys you know, helped maybe Brian be able
Speaker 1: to take a couple one nights off, right, Yeah, and impactful.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, right now, it's only downhill
Speaker 1: now because Ebron is putting up so many significant numbers
Speaker 1: from respective of just scoring him to score assists, rebounds,
Speaker 1: set the table, to turn the bus on, you know,
Speaker 1: seed the kids.
Speaker 2: It's still twenty yeah, he's still twenty four eight and eight.
Speaker 1: But the problem is they need a big Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you can't start Rudy at the five and Lebroad at
Speaker 1: the four or brought at the five and Rudy at
Speaker 1: the four, because you see Rudy Gobert look like Shaq
Speaker 1: twenty seven and twenty four.
Speaker 2: You can't. They're just too small. Jackson Hayes, you can.
Speaker 1: I mean, for whatever reason, JJ's like, hell, the hell
Speaker 1: with it, Jackson, We're not gonna even play you in
Speaker 1: game five. And he only played marginal minutes in game four.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I thought the Mark Williams.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they nullified the trade, but I
Speaker 1: thought he would have been a big addition for the
Speaker 1: jail because they need a big Luca leaves a law threat.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look study Luca, look at Luca.
Speaker 1: He's his best when he has a law of threat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you right now, man, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know why the NBA is getting
Speaker 1: away from the veterans.
Speaker 2: You got a guy like I use Dwight Howard.
Speaker 1: You always seem to be in shape, you know, for
Speaker 1: a guy to get rebounds, block shots and defend them
Speaker 1: and he did a better job against Rudy Gobert and
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes or anybody else did right. A bigger body, too,
Speaker 1: bigger body, right, And he's and he's a savvy veteran.
Speaker 1: He's been one one of the best defenders you know,
Speaker 1: all the time to come down to protecting that room
Speaker 1: and and rebound the basketball. But you know, again, most
Speaker 1: teams don't seem to want to go get better in players.
Speaker 1: And they don't I'm not sure, you know, the NBA
Speaker 1: needs to needs to put in a rule right now
Speaker 1: because if you want the product. When you talk about
Speaker 1: the issues with people watching the NBA and and you know,
Speaker 1: and and the you know, ratings going down, it's because
Speaker 1: you got the young lead and the young.
Speaker 2: So you don't have you know, you don't you don't
Speaker 2: even have to have.
Speaker 1: You can take a role of a player coach role,
Speaker 1: right and take that off off the cat. You know,
Speaker 1: the NBA can do anything right if you get the union,
Speaker 1: they can make it work people in place that helps develop,
Speaker 1: you know, and you got you look at Jackson Hayes
Speaker 1: and they had another they signed another.
Speaker 2: Uh Alex lenn Alex Lynn.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, he should be the he should be the
Speaker 1: tallest high school or college coach next year. But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If you have
Speaker 1: they just call it the white Houard. Let's use him
Speaker 1: for example. Right, Yes, you have somebody in there mentoring
Speaker 1: this these these young boys and and and getting them
Speaker 1: and helping them understand the importance of everything they do
Speaker 1: or support. Then you in a better situation. Are you
Speaker 1: not saying you gotta go pay him five million dollars?
Speaker 1: But just you know, just don't, don't don't put a
Speaker 1: veteran on on on on uh, keep him off the
Speaker 1: team because you have to pay him a little bit
Speaker 1: more because he's a veteran.
Speaker 2: Right, this creator role or Javel McGee, Javeal McGee was available,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. But why not?
Speaker 3: I mean, so, so is the NBA doing similar to
Speaker 3: what the NFL is doing? Also on Yeah, they really
Speaker 3: going they be going young and doing away with all
Speaker 3: the veterans outside of quarterback, a specific quarterback that is
Speaker 3: still getting opportunity to play regards of age.
Speaker 2: But like the NFL, the NFL, a NBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, the minimum oh over a certain
Speaker 1: number of years is a million dollars. Well, I can
Speaker 1: get a guy right out of college or first you're
Speaker 1: a guy and paying three hundred four hundred thousand, right
Speaker 1: save six what's but what's six hundred thousand when you
Speaker 1: bring when you get when you're making three hundred million.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't get that. Well, I guess.
Speaker 1: But the question in basketball, I mean is you know,
Speaker 1: do you do you really want to win?
Speaker 2: I mean doesn't matter. I mean, you know, most of
Speaker 2: most of them.
Speaker 1: You know, you Basketball's not like football where you have
Speaker 1: historical you know, families that's involved with these teams, right,
Speaker 1: Basketball is not that, right Baskett. The fact the majority
Speaker 1: of the NBA now is new ownership, right, and so
Speaker 1: from perspective, you know, what is it that? What is
Speaker 1: the real purpose? Right is it? You know, invest in
Speaker 1: to you know, investing to a team, let the value grow,
Speaker 1: then sometime not sell it, get.
Speaker 2: Up off it. That's yeah, because that's that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Because if you look at the NFL, a lot of
Speaker 1: these a lot of these owners now some of these
Speaker 1: owners now have other things. But for the longest time,
Speaker 1: uh j O and o Jo, these were family runs business.
Speaker 2: These were Marlin pop shops. That's all they had.
Speaker 1: Now you look at guys teams, people that buy teams, now,
Speaker 1: that's not their number one business.
Speaker 2: That team is not their number one business.
Speaker 1: The altisans that just bought the Dallas Mavericks, they're gambling,
Speaker 1: that's their number one business. You look at the guy
Speaker 1: that bought the Sacramento Kings. You look at Steve Barmer
Speaker 1: who bought the Clippers. That was not his number one business.
Speaker 1: Now that's what he does now. But he's worth a
Speaker 1: one hundred billion, so he spent two. So that's not
Speaker 1: what it is. Not like the NFL is not like
Speaker 1: the Hunts. Now, the Hunts have other things, but it's
Speaker 1: a family. But for the most part, NBA is a lot.
Speaker 1: Now they're not family. The young these tech guys, these
Speaker 1: guys that made money invested in Silicon Valley and things
Speaker 1: like that, they're the one that's buying the team. They're
Speaker 1: not like, I don't know, I'm trying to think who's
Speaker 1: the oldest. So you're not gonna find somebody like the
Speaker 1: like the like uh, the mcclaskeys, the own the Bears.
Speaker 1: Her dad, Virginia mccasty, she just passed away. Her dad,
Speaker 1: George Allis founded the Bears passed it down. You ain't
Speaker 1: gonna find that in the NBA. You're not gonna find
Speaker 1: the ruonies like the Steelers on since nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 1: I don't find that, like the Marrows, the Giant. When
Speaker 1: did Dolan by the Kniggs? What was the next down
Speaker 1: to him? No, he had I think no, I think
Speaker 1: he had his dad that Yeah, that's what they He
Speaker 1: made the only one.
Speaker 2: But he might yeah he might be No, what do
Speaker 2: you call him, Jemmie Buss her dad.
Speaker 1: Seventy I think he brought the team in seventy nine,
Speaker 1: so he might be the longest thing.
Speaker 2: That was the dad, right, Yeah, they passed it down
Speaker 2: there here the brown Shoes, huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you know Jimmy had uh yeah, no Bengals,
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. It got passed down to his dad. You
Speaker 1: might earth say he took them from his for his dad.
Speaker 1: So they just passed past it down. Now these these
Speaker 1: tech people coming in there with four five, six billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars and it's it's it's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the Waltons just you know, brought the Broncos.
Speaker 1: I mean he's worth a hundred billion. What's what's a
Speaker 1: hundred what's what's four billion?
Speaker 2: Hire?
Speaker 1: We just saw Josh Harris, he just bought he just
Speaker 1: purchased the Commanders last year over six what six and
Speaker 1: a half billion?
Speaker 2: He also owned the seventy sixers.
Speaker 1: So it's not it's it's different, it's it's a different
Speaker 1: time now. But I agree with you, Jail, I think
Speaker 1: they should have a advance on the team to help
Speaker 1: these young guys understand and navigate their way through uh.
Speaker 1: I think that I think they're doing a better job
Speaker 1: the pa of both pas of having guys understand money.
Speaker 2: Like, Bro, you're not a doctor, you're not a lawyer.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a twenty year career, right The
Speaker 1: average year, the average career is about three and a
Speaker 1: half years.
Speaker 2: Three and a half. So even when you.
Speaker 1: Factor in Tom Brady that played twenty three, and in
Speaker 1: factor Peyton Manning that played eighteen nineteen and Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and Rogers and all these guys, a lot of guys
Speaker 1: just playing one year, a lot of guys not even
Speaker 1: playing at all. So it comes whittle is whittle it
Speaker 1: down to three and a half years. Bro, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty five, and that's the job that you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have for the next twenty years. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be in the NBA, the MLB, or you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be, whatever the profession you're starting in,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance by the time you're twenty five,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have another job, and it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a professional athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too, man.
Speaker 1: You know, the full law is obviously significantly different in basketball,
Speaker 1: right You guys draft for exact need, yes, and every
Speaker 1: pick is a value pick, right YEA. Sometimes right now
Speaker 1: in basketball, you know they're drafting, you know, best available,
Speaker 1: even though you might have you might drop the point
Speaker 1: guard and you got three already on the roster, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think that's the difference in basketball,
Speaker 1: where you know, when you talk about those two or
Speaker 1: three years or four years, it's it's a changing of
Speaker 1: the guard happening in the NBA because you don't you
Speaker 1: don't get.
Speaker 2: A lot of time.
Speaker 1: And if they send your ass down to the G
Speaker 1: League and you a lottery pick, got already telling you where.
Speaker 2: You at and what are you thinking about
Speaker 3: The volume