WEBVTT - Draft Show: Most Overrated & Underrated Players 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:11.520 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Shows, your 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.280 war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.400 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rant. The 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.640 Dallas Cowboys Selection by Joe and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.440 David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's thirty four 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:33.960 days until the NFL Draft, so we are making our way. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.200 Next time we do this, it'll be inside the month 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.199 of April. Yeah wow. And when that happens, then you're 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.200 gonna start getting guys building their draft boards. Some teams 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.800 have started to build their draft boards. This team that 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.600 we worked for has not yet done that. Will McClay 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.800 did stop by. He said hello to the troops yesterday. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.320 I love that guy. Yeah, so it's nice to have 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.680 an opportunity to visit with him a little bit about 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.680 what's going on. And you are with the Draft show. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.440 Brian brought us Dane Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.319 Cowboys dot Com, Dave Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.759 Kent Garrison, Executive producer. Today, guys, I want to get 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:16.560 into this, Dave, you and I this morning and Dane 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.559 when he came in we're talking about a little stuff. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.680 Some uh, some guys that NFL dot Com has put 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:30.120 out a list of overrated players underrated players. Gil Brandt 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.639 part of that group. Though I'm interested. It's a fitting 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.720 time of year because like now we're kind of into 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.000 the point where, I mean, y'all are still turning over 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.400 your your priority free agents and looking under all your 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.600 stones and everything. But but I mean, we've talked about 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.480 just about every high profile guy, you know, everybody that's 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.440 gonna go in the top hundred or so. I feel like, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.240 certainly you guys have a good grasp on and I 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.680 feel like we've probably talked at least touched on on 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.000 this show. So it's a good time of year for that. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.480 Which one? Which one makes you more curious? I feel like, like, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.760 are you more interested in the underrated guys or the 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.280 guys that people are talking I always want to know 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.079 about the overrated guys. Yeah, myself. I don't know about Dane, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.720 but I've always I'm always interested in the guys that 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.520 people think you know. And it might be what we do, 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.320 the work. We sit down and these folks do the 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.520 work too, But I'm always interested who somebody thinks is 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.960 overrated that it's interested because with the draft, especially with 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.680 Twitter and every all the draft coverage these days, just 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.840 to find out the narrative and what people think of 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.720 these players, because you have to form your own opinion 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.240 first and foremost. You know, you don't want to hear 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.480 what other people are saying, and then that factors into 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.560 your evaluation. You want to do your own evaluation in 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.000 a vacuum the best you can, and then figure out 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.160 how other people view the same player. And it is 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.679 interesting to see how, you know, what people run the 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.840 league and people in the media, people that you respect, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.040 think of that. We're into the month now, are getting 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.000 close to the month where folks are starting to lie. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.800 Sure you're gonna get you. Yeah. In the initial the 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:10.639 initial wave of of conversation about these players when we started, yeah, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.920 it was probably the truthful way of going. And now 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.440 it comes down to throwing chum in the water and 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.120 seeing where we're at. How much of it is willful 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.320 lying and how much of it is just like, how 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.959 long can we talk about this stuff before we kind 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.959 of start to overthink it? And I think we've overthought it. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.880 I started on this thing on Dane's been doing this Yeah. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.959 I started on to December first, we had four games 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.160 left still the season, and I just made the determination 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.760 this now becomes important, yeah and annoying. Yeah, but I 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.680 I to me though, this is kind of a this 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.320 is a year round job. Talking about the draft and 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.440 getting ready for a draft is a year round job now. Well, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.840 and that's for the media. For the media, it is 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.600 for of course, for the guys sitting in that war room, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.360 but for us it's it's become a year round job. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:58.840 You're not doing a year round then you're not doing 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.760 your job because you need three hundred and sixty five 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.000 days to figure out all these guys what they're about 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.320 and you know, to fully understand who they are going 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.680 to be as NFL players. I mean, this is one 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.960 of my favorite parts of the draft process because you know, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.240 not looking at tapes of you know, Joey Bosa and 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.360 the Forrest Buckner. I mean, we're looking at guys from 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.640 William and Mary and Campbell and we're trying to find Yeah, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.719 we're trying to find the guys that are sleep people 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.760 are sleeping on that you know don't have They're not 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.599 in the headlines. But you know, the more you dive 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.160 deep the more you find these guys, and you look 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.000 throughout the NFL. Sure there's a lot of first round 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.800 there's a lot of top ten guys, but there's also 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.440 a lot of seventh round picks, undrafted guys, guys from 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.960 the FCS Division two. And so you know there will 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:50.080 be several players from this draft that go undrafted in 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.200 the later rounds who will go on to be starters 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.960 in this league. And so let's try to find them 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.159 now that that's the best part of this process. Yeah, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.719 and then too, you had the league adding the compensatory picks. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.839 It's a whole nother round right there of guys added 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.880 to the mix. So who do you got, David, we 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.839 were talking about some of these guys. I want to 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:08.919 throw these out there because they make me feel smart. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.760 I don't watch as much tape as you guys, but 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.279 sure a couple of guys that I have watched who 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.080 I came away from their tape just kind of like, really, yeah, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:22.320 Eli Apple, I didn't see it. I'm not the expert here, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.840 but him an overrated prospect. He is being overrated by 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.560 NFL dot Com. And you know you're talking about a 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.920 guy who's he's people are talking about him as a 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:38.920 first round pick the teens twenty Pittsburg, which on Well, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.880 you did the mock draft stuff. Is it really about 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.840 the Cowboys stuff that you have you've been seeing this? 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.320 I mean I look, I look, I look at at 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.680 the whole thing before, but I mean, obviously I am 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.360 focused on the Cowboys. But yeah, I mean you're talking. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.200 Actually I just kind of thought about this is he 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.640 and maybe this is a compliment to him, like maybe 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.760 kind of like a Byron Jones vibe, you know, like 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.600 I think it's the numbers really impress people more than 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.280 the tape. Well, and that's I think it goes back 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.000 to the Golden rule scouting traits over production. You know, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.560 NFL teams are drafting guys for what they're going to do, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.440 not for what they have done. And with Eli Apple 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.600 in his case, he's write shirt sophomore, right. He doesn't 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.000 even turn twenty one years old until August. So this 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.240 is a very young player who is over six foot, 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.080 his long arms, and he can run you. If you're 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.040 going to draft him, you have to kind of live 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.280 and die with his hands on approach. He's a grabby 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.960 He's a physical grabby guy. Yeah, then you have to 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.080 live and die with that, you know, until he figures 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.960 out that fine line and what he can get away 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.600 with him what he can right, So there's going to 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.400 be some bumps in the road, There's no question about 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.000 it if you draft Eli Apple. But again, you're drafting 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.040 him for what you think he can be. And so 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.559 I understand if he ends up in the first round 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.560 because Apple has all the trades. Yeah, physical toughness. He's 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.760 right about this guy. So I mean you feel fine 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.400 with him as a first round guy just based on 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.000 those things alone. At some point in the first round, 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.040 I I do think he's he's worthy when you start 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.520 comparing all the guys. You know, if you don't like it, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.240 if you don't like the short corners, he's gonna go 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.080 up the poor And I don't not every first round 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.880 pick is gonna be you know, the slam dunk. But 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.760 I think at some point there are not you know, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.040 thirty better players in this draft than Eli Apple. That's fair. Okay, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:22.119 that's fair. So Dave thinks he's one bad Apple. Wow, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.000 that's something that's something I would say. That's your producer. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.200 Can't garrison that coming strong already to boist it on 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.360 my own pot disappointed. Hen't come up with that. I like, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.080 I'm saying, I'm embarrassed, honestly. Um, another guy, if he's 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.320 a bus he's just waiting for that headline to be everywhere, right, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.480 that that'll be on the page of like the New 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.920 York Time, like the New York tabloids. They are always 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.000 so mean. He'll actually changes his He changed his name 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.040 the Apple when he showed up a Ohio state. Uh, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.080 you guys, no one cares about this. He was actually 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.880 his last name is Woodard, so he'll probably go back 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.720 to that if that happened. So there you go, there 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.440 you go. Good good call Um another guy I hate. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.920 I'm scouting right there by the way. It's not it's 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.160 not because of where he went to school, I promise 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.800 Robert Kimdici. Yeah, don't like him. Don't think I mean, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.880 the off field concerns are not good. And then I 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.000 just inconsistent on on tape. I thought, for how talented 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.280 he is, I don't. I don't see you think he's 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.360 a top ten player though, right talent? We have talked 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.560 about this guy before and that yeah, well and it's 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.480 I know this sounds contrary to what I just said 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.520 about trades over production. But it does worry me the 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.000 lack of production that he has. I mean, he has 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.800 thirty plus starts and seven career sacks something like that. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.960 I mean, it's you want to see for a player 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:40.640 that has that much talent, you just want to see 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.120 more production, more impact plays. And he does, um you know, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.559 similar to like a Joey Bosa. You know it. You 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.600 can't look at just the box score because he does 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.439 impact the game in a lot of ways. Yeah, you 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.320 just wish it was a little bit more. Yeah, leaves 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.880 you wanting more. There's times where he flashes on tape 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.320 where on the move they don't block him, no, and 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.360 he's in the and he's in the backfield and you're 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.360 like going and scouts you've heard him say it's a 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.600 bunch on the show. Scouts are trained that if they 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.960 see it one time, they believe it. Right, they don't, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.160 they don't. They don't turn their face away from that. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.360 But you're right, the thing that the production on him, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.960 because it's funny we do talk about Bosa, but you 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.839 have to almost include Candici as a way of saying 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.000 the pressure that he's going to create inside the lateral quickness, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.560 the upfield present. You know he's gonna make some tackles 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.520 for losses and things like that, right, more so than 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.320 maybe be a great pass rusher. But as a three 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.280 technique man, you want Award Daddy in there playing that spot. 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.640 You watch just as highlights and he goes top ten, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.200 Here's no question about it. He's not nearly as consistent 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.240 as Bosa is. He doesn't have the same type of 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.480 football character that you want. And that's really what it 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.520 comes down to with Ndici. Can you trust him to 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.640 give it everything he has week in week out, snap in, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.040 snap out, that's the big question. If he's at thirty four, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.160 you have to you have to consider it, you do. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.560 I mean, I'm not saying he has to. He should 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.079 be the pig, but you have to consider it because 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.520 the talent that he brings this, he's got first round talent, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.400 There's no doubt about that. I'm drawing a firm line 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.240 in this because this is what happened last year. I 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.760 didn't like Randy Gregory, That's true, too. Talked myself into 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.640 it when they did it because what am I gonna do? 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.240 Looked great in training camp and now I'm right back. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.520 I'm not shake campaign here, Like we got mostly going 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.520 one way. We'll draw on a firm line and I 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.840 wouldn't take him DIC until third sixty seven. If he's 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.600 still there magically at sixty seven. Sure, I don't think 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.760 you're crazy by saying that at all, because he's a 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.280 true wild card. That is, that is absolutely right? All right? 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.720 Who else you got? Two guys? These actually do surprise 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.839 me because I've never heard. All I hear about them 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:46.040 is glowing reviews. So start with Sheldon Rankins. That's interesting. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:51.040 I everything I've think. That's what I'm saying. He's underrated, 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.839 to be honest, I mean maybe we've inflated him a 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.360 little bit too much throughout this process because he has 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:02.920 been so kind, I mean the Senior Bowl to combine, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.079 I mean, he's been so impressive throughout the entire last 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.280 three months that you know, maybe we're putting too much 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:10.920 emphasis on that and not the tape. But the tape 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.160 was impressive too, So I don't know. I see a 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.760 guy that can fit a three four, can fit a 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.760 four three. He can play anywhere you wanted, that defensive 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.920 defensive line, really and right, he played defensive end in 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.319 the three four at Louisville. But he could play the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.560 three technique, right. I think he's a damn good three 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.599 tech absolutely, So you know, top fifteen, that's where I 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.120 think he should be. I bet you on some boards 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.360 he is higher than Kim dja is. Oh yeah, I 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.960 just pure just preach just watching him play. Yeah, I 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.960 think that. I'm not talking about the off the field craziness. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.440 I'm just talking about pure football player. And even even 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.040 if Kim DJ is like a more athletic freak or whatever, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.680 like I like his tape better than Kim Dic's tape, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.760 just like Kim DJ drives me crazy because you want 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.720 him to do more one out of every five place 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.040 if you want more. And yeah, Rankin's to me, top 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.920 defensive tackle in this group. Yeah I don't. I don't 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.600 screw with that at all. And then I just straight 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.240 up I don't agree with this one. I feel like 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.640 you're down on this guy. I love him. I'm biased 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.839 because he's killed my team for the last two or 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.839 three years. But a Sean Robinson like, how is he gets? 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.320 He's great? See. I was just going to mention him 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.480 that if we're talking about overrated defensive tackles. I would 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.120 think Ashan Robinson makes a lot more sense than Sheldon 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.199 Rankins because so you do think he's overrated. Overrated is 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.280 what though? I mean, I think he's mid the late round, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.840 first round, first round pick. Yeah, but I think a 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.080 lot of people see top fifteen, top twenty Locke, you know, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.680 he's that type of talent and another guy who's very young. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.480 I just don't see enough flash. I don't see enough 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.800 impact potential. Yes he can two gap, yes he can 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.720 give He's a good athlete, controls the point of attack. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.040 But I just need to see a little bit more 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.880 if I'm going to invest top twenty pick in a 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.000 defensive tackle. I hate this word, and I hate it 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.800 because I like to use it when I'm talking about 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.959 my seafood raw. But it he doesn't play with technique, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.560 and that's unusual for an Alabama kid. You know that defense, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.640 you would figure that they But there's times he doesn't 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.240 use his hands, there's times he doesn't get off blocks, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.040 there's times that he doesn't finish. There's I mean, there's 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.319 all these things about him that you love. The size, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.480 and you love the fact that he kind of plays 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.880 all over the place and I think that these guys 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.760 around him really help. This is a guy that if 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.720 you pick him, you're hoping, I mean, you were really 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.920 really hoping that that that he is, that that arrow 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.880 was going that way, because there's because there's a lot 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.360 of things about him that are just flat line. There's 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.080 not a lot of things where you you know, you 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.480 look at the size arrow up, but there's a lot 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.480 of just flat line to below play where you go. Man, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.120 if I pick this guy, I'm gonna get fired. He's 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.360 got the baseline traits. I don't see distinguishing traits. That's fair. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:59.240 I see Michael Brockers type of player who see and 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.319 that's a go ahead. Well, I mean I think I 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.760 think to take a little bit to get, you know, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.200 to where Brockers is now. But I think entering the league, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.360 I see those two players similar. Yeah, I just and 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.600 I think Brockers is a great comparison. I just think 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.680 I don't think he's gonna be like this freaky good player, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.960 but I think he's gonna Brocker's on tape, make more play. Yeah, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.480 overpower guys getting the backfield tackle for loss work on 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.520 the Twins. I think the LSU probably gave a little 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.120 more flexibility to do that, where at Alabama he's he's 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:34.560 clogging things up home another bad scheme. I hate to 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.120 compare anybody to like Vince Wilfork, but I think that 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.280 he's gonna be that guy that just makes everybody on 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.440 his defense look better. That's what he did at Alabama. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.280 Give me Charon Reid. Okay, if you're gonna take a guy, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.520 give me some. Give me some underrated guys. Now underrated guys. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:54.000 All right, um, let's talk about Let'll just do it 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.040 because I have a strong opinion on this guy, DeVante Booker, underrated, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.040 underrated running back. What's the medical you heard? I need 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.040 to ask about his medical I have not yet heard 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.720 confirmed reports, but I've heard good stuff. I've heard the 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.600 knees looking good. Um, I'm still waiting on you know, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.200 I need to do that. Not it's looking good. I 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.800 want to hear it is. Yeah, it is good. You know. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.120 As soon as I hear that, I'll feel a lot better. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.000 But you know, to me, DeVante Booker is the third 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.480 best running back in his strap. So to me, I mean, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.560 if if teams look at him as not a top 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.920 five or six running back in this Draffle then absolutely 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.960 he's being underrated. And to talk about to your top three, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.880 it would be Ezekiel Henry and Booker would be the 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.800 third guide exactly. I don't Booker as a guy in 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.200 the third round. Where early third round, That's where I'm 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.640 looking at him. Um, you know right, probably inside the 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.440 top seventy five picks. He's a pinball. The way he's 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.320 able to create his own yardage. He can help you 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.600 out as a film's good. I just hopefully holds up 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.400 he's good. I know people talk about his age. I 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.120 don't care about his age. To me, the same thing 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.000 about Terence Newman. He's still playing in the league. Everybody's like, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.880 you're comparing running back to I just telling about age. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.360 Sometimes we get a little call up. Some guys get 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.720 beat to hell on every play, and some guys just 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.280 saying the age age of Terd Snowman. The age thing 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.080 for running backs. Brandon Wheedon was another one maybe went 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.320 the other way. If I'm drafting running back on the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.280 third round, I'm worried about his first contract. I'm not 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.920 getting overly worried about Okay, is he gonna be worried 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.400 signing in that that second contract I'm worried about this 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.560 first four years with my team, and so Booker being 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.960 twenty four years old doesn't bother me. Yeah, this gets 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.160 a good player. Just run, dude, just run, just hopefully 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:39.000 at knee checks out. Yeah. Um, tell me about Willie Beavers. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.480 See he's now. Now that sounded like a tell me more. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.520 He's not a tell me more. Yeah, he's an underrated guy. Yeah. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.760 I was not a Willie Beavers fan at all. I'm 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.880 just not. I don't see it with him, and it 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.440 has nothing to do with where he comes from. I 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.960 just didn't see a guy that that that I'd want 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.360 to develop, right that, didn't see enough traits with him. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.040 I didn't see a guy that could sit down on guys. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.199 Didn't see a guy that moved all that. Well. He 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.399 bothered me. Yeah, because everybody's I mean, Mayok had him 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.159 as one of his top five guys, you know, and 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.240 I was like, going, man, Mike, I mean, who are 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.439 you talking to here? And it Gill has him as 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.639 an underrated guy. That's and that's a good point not 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.959 to jump ahead another guy that and we don't have 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.560 to do all these another guy, another guy Gil has 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.280 as underrated as Cody Whitehair, which on this show we loved. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:37.360 We might hear, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But with Beavers, I 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.679 I don't see a future NFL starter. I think he 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.439 can come in and provide depth at tackle and guard. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.199 But I don't see a guy that you're gonna trust 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.359 leaving out on an island as your starter. I'll tell 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.719 you what he have the Senior Bowl, giving up the corner, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.800 getting beat inside, gets over extended. Yeah, you know, I'm 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.880 gonna let somebody else be a hero on that one. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.160 That's not gonna be men be fired. We see, I'm 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.320 the same. Yeah, oh you got there. Dave a lot 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.560 of offensive linemen on this list. Jill loves his offensive 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:10.040 line Germaine Effetti, the Texas A and M guard guard 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.400 guard played right tackle. He's gonna, I mean, he's gonna 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.240 go in the second rounds. I don't know how underrated 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.080 he is. He might go first round, but when it's 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.280 all said and done, because the guy hit his long 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.280 arms and his feet are outstanding. Yeah, and he could 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.800 sit down on people now too, when people rushing to 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.800 get into him, he could just anchor down. And that's 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.240 that's pretty impressive about that. I don't know, I don't 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.919 the techniques a mess. Um. I don't trust necessarily what 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.560 he sees. Um. I'm not as high as a lot 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.000 of people out of fetti. I have an early third 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.880 round grade on him. I think you're being nice. Where 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.000 do you foot him? I put him in the fourth? Okay, see, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.119 but he's gonna go top fifty. I mean he the 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.800 best thing about it. I thought he's just sticking at 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.679 my notes. He's a catcher. He does it punch, but 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.560 he can sit down. He has a hard time extending 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.679 on blocks when the plague continues on. He has a 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.040 hard time standard position. I didn't think he was very 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.560 strong inside, but things on the outside he was okay 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.280 if if the man got his shoulder. He had trouble 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.760 adjusting right. And that's why, and that's probably why he 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.399 has to play inside a guard. We talk about length 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.800 a lot, and he has it. He has long arms. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.800 But if you don't have timing right, length means nothing 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.600 front offensive tackles, so and he doesn't have the timing right. Now. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.879 They try to at left tackle in the spring. He 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.679 couldn't do it. Had to go back to right tackle. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.119 He might be a right tackle only in the league. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.040 So there are some things that I worry about. But 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.480 I don't know he's gonna go top fifty. I don't 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.000 think that's underrating him. Yeah he had length. Yeah, that's length, coach, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.119 that's try coach Garrett. All right, well, thanks Dave, I 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.720 appreciate that. Speaking of coach Garrett, Yeah, he's in Columbus. Yeah, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.959 that's why we're gonna get Yeah. Thanks, we're gonna get 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.080 to that, Okay. Yeah, when we come back, we're gonna 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.960 take our first break, and then we'll tidy up some 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.680 news that we're here and and then also get into 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.760