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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Shows, your

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Selection by Joe and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's thirty four

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Speaker 1: days until the NFL Draft, so we are making our way.

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Speaker 1: Next time we do this, it'll be inside the month

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Speaker 1: of April. Yeah wow. And when that happens, then you're

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Speaker 1: gonna start getting guys building their draft boards. Some teams

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Speaker 1: I love that guy. Yeah, so it's nice to have

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Speaker 1: what's going on. And you are with the Draft show.

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dane Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, Dave Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, Executive producer. Today, guys, I want to get

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Speaker 1: into this, Dave, you and I this morning and Dane

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Speaker 1: when he came in we're talking about a little stuff.

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Speaker 1: Some uh, some guys that NFL dot Com has put

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Speaker 1: out a list of overrated players underrated players. Gil Brandt

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Speaker 1: part of that group. Though I'm interested. It's a fitting

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Speaker 1: time of year because like now we're kind of into

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Speaker 1: the point where, I mean, y'all are still turning over

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Speaker 1: your your priority free agents and looking under all your

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Speaker 1: this show. So it's a good time of year for that.

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Speaker 1: Which one? Which one makes you more curious? I feel like, like,

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Speaker 1: are you more interested in the underrated guys or the

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Speaker 1: guys that people are talking I always want to know

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Speaker 1: about the overrated guys. Yeah, myself. I don't know about Dane,

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Speaker 1: overrated that it's interested because with the draft, especially with

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Speaker 1: these players, because you have to form your own opinion

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Speaker 1: first and foremost. You know, you don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: what other people are saying, and then that factors into

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Speaker 1: your evaluation. You want to do your own evaluation in

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how, you know, what people run the

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Speaker 1: close to the month where folks are starting to lie.

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Speaker 1: Sure you're gonna get you. Yeah. In the initial the

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Speaker 1: I started on this thing on Dane's been doing this Yeah.

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Speaker 1: this now becomes important, yeah and annoying. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: You're not doing a year round then you're not doing

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. And you know you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: that's something that's something I would say. That's your producer.

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Speaker 1: so mean. He'll actually changes his He changed his name

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Speaker 1: But you're right, the thing that the production on him,

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Speaker 1: the pressure that he's going to create inside the lateral quickness,

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Speaker 1: for losses and things like that, right, more so than

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Speaker 1: maybe be a great pass rusher. But as a three

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Speaker 1: technique man, you want Award Daddy in there playing that spot.

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Speaker 1: You watch just as highlights and he goes top ten,

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Speaker 1: Here's no question about it. He's not nearly as consistent

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Speaker 1: comes down to with Ndici. Can you trust him to

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. I'm drawing a firm line

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Speaker 1: in this because this is what happened last year. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't take him DIC until third sixty seven. If he's

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Speaker 1: all that very very much. We've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: opportunities here for you. Dame Bugler has put out a

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Speaker 1: guide that I think is outstanding, chalk full of information, pictures,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. He's gonna show you everything he's

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Speaker 1: got right there. So sixty the top prospects Stane. Where

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Speaker 1: can I find this it on Amazon dot com? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Just google Amazon Elite sixty NFL Draft. That'll be on

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Speaker 1: store shelves this week, hopefully Barnes and Noble and all

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Speaker 1: those places I sell books. Uh. This is for a

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Speaker 1: more casual fan here. It cares about the first few rounds.

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Speaker 1: But then you know that that's it. A lot of

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Speaker 1: cool pictures, a lot of in depth and then I've

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Speaker 1: got you know, my My Beast pdf coming out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about that too. That's April fourth, a week

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Speaker 1: from monday. Yeah, and that's that's gonna go four hundred

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Speaker 1: more information. Yeah, it is. It is a must when

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Speaker 1: we do the draft. I'm up to two over two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty players now and thinking I know majority

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Speaker 1: of the guys. But I promise you when we get

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Speaker 1: together for the draft those three days, I will have

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Speaker 1: Dane's Draft guide in front of me. Bus I'll have

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Speaker 1: Dane in front of me too talking about this. So

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Speaker 1: and also uh Star Magazine Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Star

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Speaker 1: magazine comes out, We're gonna have this. So we're putting

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Speaker 1: this together right now. We're putting together the players, articles, stories,

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Speaker 1: a lot of good features. David Helm and Nick Eatman,

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Speaker 1: those to print on April the eighth. This will be

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Speaker 1: right before the draft. This will come out right for

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Speaker 1: the joy. This is last year's edition. So but yeah,

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Speaker 1: make sure you grab that Star magazine and then also

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler's Elite sixty and then his PDF file will

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Speaker 1: be out April fourth. Marcus Peters, Yeah, who's the one

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Speaker 1: who had the mock draft, who had Byron Jones correctly

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Speaker 1: mocked Byron Jones to the Cowboys, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: If they had drafted my guy, they would have had

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Speaker 1: eight more picks. They might have had eight more picks.

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Speaker 1: You're right about that. Okay, uh, let's say thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I would say thank you too, ed K Hill,

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Speaker 1: ed K Hill, thank you so much, Ed for coming

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Speaker 1: K Garrison dj K Garrison feeling it today. Okay, Dave,

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Speaker 1: starting all right, start out Philippe wants to know about

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Speaker 1: Miles Jack. We talked about him in the mail bag

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Speaker 1: this morning. He wants to know if it's possible that

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Speaker 1: Jack falls the thirty four. I don't really think that's possible,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna alter the question and ask how far

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Speaker 1: do you think Jack's knee problems could potentially drop him.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. Everybody's Scott. He going to Jacksonville at five.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen him outside the top then yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if there's you know, if teams are worried about

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Speaker 1: our draft board until we get the medical recheck information.

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Speaker 1: Once we get that information and it's great, we'll put

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Speaker 1: him on the board. Up until then, he's not there.

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Speaker 1: April first is his pro day and then the rechecks

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Speaker 1: shortly after that, So keep your ears. April first is

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Speaker 1: his run. He already did his pro day, right, He'll

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Speaker 1: probably have some people work him out, so yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So even if he does work out just fine and

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Speaker 1: woods yet right, Okay, Uh, this is a really good

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Speaker 1: question from Martin that literally just came in. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: know that the Joneses as well as Will McClay and

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett went to Orlando to watch Paxson Lynch workout right,

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Speaker 1: pretty telling indicator. Would it surprise you to see him

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Speaker 1: go for meaning? Did the Cowboys have to work out

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Speaker 1: a trade to justify picking him? Or if I mean,

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Speaker 1: can you see him going that high? We've said this

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Speaker 1: all along, I think have been consistent about the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Whoever that is it. We'll see if if in fact

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Speaker 1: this draft falls where Cleveland doesn't take a quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: saw a tweet yesterday where Dane was saying, Hey, the

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Speaker 1: signing of RG three has nothing, nothing means nothing mean.

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Speaker 1: Dane is locked into what's going on in Cleveland. They like,

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Speaker 1: if they like a quarterback at two, they're taking a

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Speaker 1: quarterback at two. RG three is not going to change

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Speaker 1: that at all. That doesn't mean that, I mean, for

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Speaker 1: all we know, they and I don't know this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they might not like Wentz or golf enough to take

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Speaker 1: it too. But if they don't take a quarterback in two,

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Speaker 1: it's not because of rg okay. Would that being said,

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Speaker 1: if if a quarterback doesn't go it too, now you

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Speaker 1: have the pick potentially, I mean unless San Diego Bayales.

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Speaker 1: I worry about San Diego bayling here, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I worry about them bailing a little bit. But the

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Speaker 1: thing about him is, though, if they don't take a

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Speaker 1: Quarterbett and all threeo's Quarbett, We're going to see how

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Speaker 1: much they like these quarterbacks. I'm talking about the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't take, well, if Lynch is their guy,

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Speaker 1: I they'll they got him. I don't see. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying though. That's what if Lynch ends up being

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Speaker 1: their top guy. And I know everybody out there is

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Speaker 1: cringing and panicking and all that, but it's them. It's there,

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Speaker 1: It's that's their board. We could talk about this all day.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that Jerry Jones showed, now that all

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks worked out the combine, which Jerry saw, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that Jerry went with the group to Orlando

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Speaker 1: to see the workout himself, I think it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a telling sign. I just think that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys think they're they they think they're smarter than that.

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Speaker 1: Like I think that they'll try to find a way

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Speaker 1: to have their cake and eat it too. If that's

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Speaker 1: what they want to do. I think they'll try to

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Speaker 1: take Lynch later. Yeah, there's no doubt man. Yeah, Travis

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Speaker 1: Frederick situation. Yeah about Yeah. I mean you're a Lynch guy.

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Speaker 1: I have been. I have been a Lynch guys today

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Speaker 1: like them enough at four, you know what, I have

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Speaker 1: guys over him at four meet me personally. I've got

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Speaker 1: the Jacks and the Elliotts and guys like that. That's

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Speaker 1: me right this. We're gonna see what their board says.

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Speaker 1: If Lynch is the guy that they want, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he'll to pick it for I think they'll have

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Speaker 1: to find a way out of it, or I hope so,

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Speaker 1: or I mean, or take somebody else at four. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they absolutely have to pick there, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. The drafts all about getting the guys that

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Speaker 1: you want, you know, and stick. They don't care what

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Speaker 1: we think. No, no, no, of course they're gonna take

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Speaker 1: wherever they really, No, but they dam it. They need

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Speaker 1: to care influencing these guys. They should care what the

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Speaker 1: rest of the league things. Yeah, because the drafts about

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Speaker 1: value and if the rest of the league doesn't view

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Speaker 1: packson Lynch as a top ten guy, well then they

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Speaker 1: can move back and get packson Lynch elsewhere and pick

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Speaker 1: up more picks. You have, absolutely yes, you can't. But

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Speaker 1: but the thing about, okay, if they paint this scenario,

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Speaker 1: if they can't get out of the pick, right, if

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden and I've lived this where the

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Speaker 1: phones don't ring and that's you and you're watching that

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Speaker 1: clock it happened, and you know, you're listening to Berman

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Speaker 1: and everybody else talk and the clock's just ticking away.

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Speaker 1: You're going that phone a ring, And well you could,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could use the Travis Frederick argument argument

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Speaker 1: the opposite way they do, which I mean they didn't

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Speaker 1: get value for that pick. Thirty one was probably too

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Speaker 1: high to take Frederick, but they like their guy and

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Speaker 1: they hung in there. So I mean, if he's really

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Speaker 1: their guy, maybe whatever, just take him all. Just be

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Speaker 1: ready if that phone doesn't ring, and you trust me,

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Speaker 1: I've lived this, sure, I've lived with a phone doesn't ring.

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Speaker 1: It's a sick feeling when you you know, but these

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Speaker 1: trades are gonna be made on the clock, y because

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna say, my guy's there, I'm worried about somebody

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Speaker 1: behind Dallas taking my guy. This is a fantastic segue

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Speaker 1: for a question from Cam. Everything the Cowboys have done

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Speaker 1: to this point, it seems it's like the long play

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Speaker 1: the free agency, filling holes for the draft. Drafting a

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Speaker 1: quarterback would be a long play for the future. Can

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett afford to worry about the long play that is?

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Speaker 1: That is a very fair question. Absolutely, that is a

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Speaker 1: very fair question. And sometimes you have to sit there

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Speaker 1: and think, are we drafting a guy? Look what happened

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Speaker 1: in Washington. Look at the commitment they made to RG three,

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Speaker 1: and then you get a coaching change. Sure, what happens there?

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Speaker 1: All those Bounty of picks that go away, they're now

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Speaker 1: in Saint Laura to the rams at La Rams. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe those are picks that you could have had. Those

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Speaker 1: could be players on your team. So you have to

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Speaker 1: your think you don't want to believe that, But Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones and Stephen Jones have to think, like, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: we make a coaching change here, right, are we gonna

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Speaker 1: is this quarterback going to be screwed? Yeah? If we're Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're getting to be nice about it. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. It almost gives Garrett a leash because

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Speaker 1: you want to pair the quarterback with the coach and

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Speaker 1: the offensive system, and you know what's being taught, what's

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Speaker 1: being coached. So if you draft a quarterback this year,

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Speaker 1: especially early in the first two rounds, then I think

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Speaker 1: it gives Garrett. You're making the commitment. Yeah, you're making

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Speaker 1: the commitment. Yeah that is It's a very good question. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, Hector wants to know. This is my favorite

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Speaker 1: storyline of the whole draft. But Hector Cowboys signed Alfred

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Speaker 1: Morris on Monday. Hector still believes Zeke should be the pick.

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Speaker 1: Where do we stand on Zeke? Now that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: have kind of addressed running back in free agency, the

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Speaker 1: question of all ze Zeke questions are gonna get answered.

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Speaker 1: I just love talking about it. I didn't think Zeke

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Speaker 1: would be the pick at four before Alfred morrissigned. Agree,

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Speaker 1: and I you think consistent. Definitely don't think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be now. I mean, you can make your argument he's

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Speaker 1: a fourth best player or he will be the best

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Speaker 1: player available when they pick. But again, with the way

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Speaker 1: this team views the offensive line. I just feel that

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00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: they they think they can put in just anyone back

635
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: there and be productive. And so I still think they

636
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: address a running back position at some point during the draft,

637
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: But I feel even more strongly now that I won't

638
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: see So you wouldn't you. You wouldn't take Zeke over Bosa.

639
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: You wouldn't take Zeke over Golf Me personally, Yeah, I

640
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: mean it's tough because BOTHA I don't know I'm taking.

641
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm sticking to my board and I'm taking you know, Jack,

642
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm taking Ramsey. I'm taking Bosa above Zeke. Quarterbacks are

643
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: a different animal. Can I ask you a question real quick?

644
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: Address you think that Ramsey's a better safety, don't you know?

645
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: There's no question. Yeah, there's guys in the league that

646
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: think that too, And I believe this that we might

647
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: see them thinking that Ramsey is a is a corner. Yeah,

648
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: And just like a lot of teams, I think it's

649
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: split really yet. And I think this team, you know,

650
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: to your point, is on the cornerback size. They see

651
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: a corner and and if you're going to draft a

652
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: player fourth overall, that's that's that's tough. See. I think

653
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I would take I think that actually, if you ask me,

654
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Hardgraves is a better corner prospect than what Ramsey is

655
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: playing corner. Yeah, I think it's debatable. Yeah, I mean

656
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's slam dunk

657
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: either way, I think it can make a strong Kay,

658
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: how about this, would you could you say? Could you say, uh,

659
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: maybe Apple? I mean I think they're better corners that

660
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: are gonna be taken in the first round. Yeah, And

661
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: you could definitely make that argument because Ramsey doesn't have

662
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of true experience at corner. But I do

663
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: think he'll get better at it. So I worry about

664
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of things with Hardgraves and a lot of

665
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: things with Apple. So those guys aren't, you know, the

666
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: snow slam dunk exactly. So with Ramsey, you're getting size,

667
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: you're getting length, you're getting speed, you're getting a sick

668
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: athlete who should get better at the corner position. But

669
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I think you're taking him away from what he does best,

670
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: and that's you know, I'll put him in the nickel,

671
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: put him as in a safety versatile don't don't lock

672
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: him into an outside corner position. And good, great point.

673
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like what we talked about with Apple,

674
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: which is that if you're drafting him to play corner,

675
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: it's way more about his potential than anything that you've seen,

676
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: because this corner tape is not anything impressive. I like

677
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: a safety tape a lot better. Right. Having said that,

678
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: I was going, oh, well again, if there's a silver lining,

679
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: it's that I would have I would imagine that Jalen

680
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Ramsey would fill that role for this team as a

681
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: rookie at least. Yeah. I mean he's not going to

682
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: be well, they'll plug and play. They've proven that well.

683
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's not. He's not one of

684
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the two outside corners as a rookie on this team.

685
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Maybe in year two or three, but I will see

686
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: it would be it'd be interesting to see what happens

687
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: if they do pick him in what they do with

688
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: cars And I'm not I'm not cutting contract. I'm just saying,

689
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: would he be the starter? Would they give him the

690
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: opportunity tunity, throw him in the deep end and let

691
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: him swim or sink, and knowing that they have cars

692
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: because Scandrick's gonna start on the other side, I think

693
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the blueprint for what they did with Byron is so good, Like,

694
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: why why I go away from that? It worked really well.

695
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones better Corner than Ramsey coming out interesting? Yeah,

696
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I think so. I think he was. I said it

697
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter this morning. I thought he was. Yeah, he's

698
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: more I thought he's more experienced at corner, much more

699
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: comfortable there than Ramsey than what we saw this past

700
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: year from Ramsey at Corner. Yeah, Ramsey's so darned good.

701
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: He is good. I mean, I'm not hurting the guy.

702
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean him just saying that when he has a

703
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: chance to you know, when he's facing the action, has

704
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: a chance to process it, bite and make things happen. Yeah,

705
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's so good at that, rather than turning

706
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: when he has to turn his head and try to

707
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: find the ball set. That's that's all well said. All right,

708
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm answering this just because of the guy's name.

709
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: It's not just his name, but his handle is actually

710
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Joe and Flower Mountains love Joe and Flower Mount actual

711
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Joe and Flower mount wants to know if Dez two

712
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: point zero is out of the question completely, like we haven't.

713
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: He's my favorite, Well, he's my favorite guy, but he's

714
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: kind of fallen off the radar because you look at

715
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: it and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

716
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of Maybe feel any differently.

717
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna run on Monday, sure, So I'll tell you

718
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: what though, the fact that we feel good about second

719
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: round talent wide receivers makes it a little easier to say, Treadwell,

720
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: I hope you're not playing in the NFC East. If

721
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan, I don't want him end up

722
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: in New York or Philadelphia one of those places. Does

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: he do anything? I'm sorry, Dan, No, He's the biggest

724
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: thing working against him is speed, death, the depth of

725
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: the draft depth a wide receiver, you know, in the

726
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: second round you can get a guy that you know

727
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: for this team would be a number two. You know

728
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: Treadwell is gonna be a number two for this team.

729
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: If you was to pick up four, you can find

730
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: a number two in a second Maybe once we started

731
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: working through this draft and you figured out that Dotson's,

732
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: the Colemans, the thomas Is, those guys who all could

733
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: very well go the end of the first round. Does

734
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Treadwell do anything for you if you're picking at twelve

735
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: instead of four absolutely. Yeah, I mean you feel better

736
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: about it there, and why not because you've eliminated, You've

737
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: probably looking at you're probably looking at loss and then

738
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: as a defensive ent. Yeah, that's probably what you're looking at. Yeah,

739
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Treadwell is number six on my board, so I think

740
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: very highly of him. Um if he's on the board

741
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: for me and then you know, somewhere at pick twelve

742
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: to fifteen, yeah, absolutely, I'm definitely consider around interesting to

743
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: see again. He I I'm a sucker for the offensive guys.

744
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: I just Treadwell and Zeke or my guys, what if

745
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: he runs of four to six two, I'm kind of

746
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: looking at the tape and just thinking that's what heats.

747
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't exactly I'm watching him. I'm watching play in

748
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: the sec. I'm watching play against good corners. I'm the

749
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm watching play make plays against the floor to kids

750
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: who everybody's talking about in the first round. I'm watching

751
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: him talking he's making plays against Alabama kids talked about

752
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: you know that und forty. As long as he can

753
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: do it, as long as he can, and I don't

754
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: think the thing it makes you, the thing it makes

755
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: you kind of turn away from him is the fact

756
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: that you do have guys at the top of the

757
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: second like we talked about, Coleman can run, Dotson can run,

758
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: the kid Fuller can run, and they they feel a

759
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: receiver type that. I mean, you already have amplimentary player,

760
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: have Dez. You don't really need one. It would be fun, yeah,

761
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: but you don't really need it. Was a nice thought

762
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: when we started the draft show many months ago. He's

763
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: still my favorite player in this Yeah. Yeah, um, he's

764
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: your favorite player probably him, Him and Zeke and and

765
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm Miles Jack if he's healthy. Those those three are

766
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: probably like, those are the guys that I like watching

767
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: the most. Three of the best players in this class,

768
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: no doubt. Uh is Ronald Michael wants to know. Is

769
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair going to be there in the fourth round?

770
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: Where do you think he's going? What's your thoughts on him?

771
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: I think he could. He didn't have a great combine. Yeah,

772
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: but the tape is just to me, it's just too good.

773
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean you want national, well, national, national, well,

774
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: National championship. Uh runner up was Clemson? Yeah, you would

775
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: you would draft him in the first shround just watching

776
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: the Clemson tape. Yeah, you know, and people offensive line's

777
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: not very good? Did you factor that? And then as well?

778
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: But it is a you know, yeah, well there's a

779
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of guys. There's a lot of guys that we

780
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: could say that about. We're going up again. Absolutely, No,

781
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page with Blair. We

782
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: see what second round player? Yeah, I mean the guy

783
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: that you're gonna consider in the second round. But yeah,

784
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: talking to people run the league, I don't I don't

785
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: get the same type of excitement about him. Now. Maybe

786
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: teams are just being coy the guys that I talked to,

787
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: and all it takes is one team to love him

788
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: and he could be off the board in the second

789
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: or third round. I think he could be available in

790
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: early for I like him better than Calhoun and Opa.

791
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: Does that make self? Those are consensus like second round

792
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: type of guys. Yeah, so you're saying, no, I don't

793
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: think Dan's right. Somebody could if he's there. Let me

794
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: tell you what if we're sitting here talking on day

795
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: two and all of a sudden he's picked by somebody

796
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: in the third round, I'm gonna go, you know what,

797
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: they they hit one there? I mean, what this from

798
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: conversation we had before we came down here to do this.

799
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: You were project you, you were big on Frank Clark

800
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: out of Michigan had him as like a late type

801
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: of guy, mostly because of his off field issues obviously. Yeah,

802
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: but went in the third round all of a sudden, No,

803
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: what happen? Yeah, it was late seconds put out that magazine.

804
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: We put this magazine out. I had him in the

805
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: mock draft in the seven seventh round, and he went

806
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: and then that and that, and that was the sixties.

807
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: That was because all of a sudden, I was worried

808
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: about the off field stuff, and then all that cleared

809
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: to a point, and next thing you know, he's on

810
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the third round on some people's boards here. All it

811
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: takes is one team. Yeah, I'm with you on mine.

812
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: I got have Blair, then Oak, but then Calhoun. So

813
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. So the answers, No, he

814
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: won't be there in the fourth I think, I mean,

815
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: we love him, but I don't get the same type

816
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: of vibe vibe from people I talked to around the league.

817
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: Uh that he's as well. There are not a lot

818
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: of rushers in this league, Yes, I mean, and a

819
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: lot of rushers in this draft. And people are gonna say,

820
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take a crack at this kid.

821
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: I think his combine's gonna scare some people off because

822
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't a great combine, and so I think that

823
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: might hurt hurt it, opposite of Mike Mamula, who had

824
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: a great combine. I'm not buying into that, but I

825
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: like some team's gonna benefit from teams overthinking the combot

826
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: his combine. Good team. All right, Dan, I got one

827
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: for you, as the residenti Ohio and motive pet I

828
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: hope I pronounced that right. This is a good point

829
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, we've had quarterback penciled to the Browns

830
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: since this thing started. Uh is it? You think it's possible? Basically,

831
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: he wants to know if Ramsey or Bosa winds up there.

832
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: But just in general, I mean, are we are we

833
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: assuming too much that that pick is going to be

834
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback? I mean, well, I don't think we're assuming.

835
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean just have to look at the Browns and

836
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: what they've done. I mean, look at the Jered Goff

837
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz their pro days. Who was showing the

838
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: most interest Hugh Jackson, pet Hamilton, the offensive minds for

839
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: the Browns. I mean they were from everything from putting

840
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: water on the on the footballs to helping or you know,

841
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: to direct some of the throws they were making. So

842
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Browns are showing interest in these top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a mirage that they're going to consider

844
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Speaker 1: one of these guys is at the top. But if

845
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Speaker 1: they don't. The way they're building the Browns, they're not

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Speaker 1: they don't feel like they have to take a quarterback

847
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Speaker 1: this year. They are fine with waiting until next year,

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Speaker 1: especially now that they have RG three and year old.

849
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Speaker 1: So if they don't love Wentz or Golf or another

850
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks, then they're not going to take them.

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00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: They don't feel pressed to do so. But you know

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson the way he thinks, I still think he's

853
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Speaker 1: going to like one of these guys enough. Where quarterbacks

854
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Speaker 1: are going to be the pick. I think quarterbacks are

855
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: overwhelming favorite to be that number two. Cowboys Nation would

856
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: like register an earthquake on the seismograph if Joey Bosa

857
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: was the second overall pick. Yeah, like they would be celebrating. Dane.

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Speaker 1: Would Danes consider across me and throw his pin on

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Speaker 1: the ground and be all mad you could pick for

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Speaker 1: the Browns. All right, Dave, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: quitter on the twenty. Okay, we're gonna take our final break.

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Speaker 1: this morning with guy's arm around the old red ball

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Speaker 1: got his arm around him. Welcome to Ohio State. I

911
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Speaker 1: just love that we were kind of commenting about this

912
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, like these coaches have not

913
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: been at these pro days, right, Like you know, I

914
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: remember I went to ls US a couple of years

915
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: ago and Gary Brown was there scouting Jeremy Hill. Wade

916
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: Wilson went down to Baylor to scout Bryce Petty last year.

917
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: That's a thing that coaches do. This year, they haven't

918
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: been anywhere. Come to find out, it's because they're doing

919
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff privately, right They're all up there in

920
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Columbus right now doing their own which is I mean,

921
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: it got it on their part for doing their due diligence.

922
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny because it's you know, everybody

923
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: else is at Pro Day, but the Cowboys are like

924
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: too cool for Pro Day. I guess they got to

925
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: schedule there. They get an owner with a really big,

926
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: nice plane, they can fly them all over the place.

927
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: And the fact that it'd give urban Meyer, his staff,

928
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: his kids a lot of credit to a lot of

929
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: people probably scurrying around heading different directions for Easter break

930
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: and these kids showing up. It's important to them. A

931
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: lot of the battle House state working out in California,

932
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: working out in Florida, and so yeah, I know that's

933
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: a it's a big deal for the Cowboys to get

934
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: everyone there and in Columbus and refresher for everyone they can.

935
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: There's unlimited private eatings. You know, there's the thirty here

936
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: which will happen starting on April fourth and going through

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Speaker 1: the seventh. Dallas Day will be on April eighth, right, exactly,

938
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: So anyway all that could surth huh it's a week away. Yeah,

939
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: all right, does it start? Maybe we'll start time to

940
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: start creeping around, creeping around Valley Ranch because next year

941
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: at the start, we won't get the creeping too much. Okay.

942
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: One of my favorite segments that we've created on this

943
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: show is something that David Helmett has. It's called tell

944
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: me more than I need to watch Grease one of

945
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: these days. All right. I saw and I've I've heard

946
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: this guy's name a few times. I had to look

947
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: up how to pronounce it. He's kind of I saw

948
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: him on Twitter this week. Tell me more about Maryland

949
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: defensive end yannick Ing Walkway. I think I said that

950
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: right to me. I see a three four backer. I

951
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: think that's his best fit with his size. He doesn't

952
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: have the longest arms, and I think that shows on tape.

953
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: But he's quick, he can bend the edge. He's a

954
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: great kid. I tested really well. But again I see

955
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: more of a three four backer than a four three end. Yeah.

956
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: Did you see this? Absolutely? Yeah. I was just you know,

957
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: and going through because I was putting together stuff in

958
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: the magazine and I was trying to figure out where

959
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to put him and end up putting him

960
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker. I think that's a better fit

961
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: when you look at him physically and all that, and

962
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: what he can and what he can do that's andy

963
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: or his numbers measurables. Yeah, and what I compared him

964
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: to a smaller version of Tombaholly. That's how I saw

965
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: hell of a football he is, and I think in

966
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: Goha can be a good player, But again, I think

967
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: he's better suited for a three to four where he

968
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: can you know, operate in space and uh, you know,

969
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: not forced to deal dage right about him though as

970
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: far as the bend they capture the corner, those kinds

971
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: of things. I mean, you could watch him against some

972
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: pretty good competition with Maryland being in that big ten

973
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: and knows some having to deal with some size offensive

974
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: lines and stuff like that. So I would absolutely a

975
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: guy that Again, I think Dan's right. He's an outside

976
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: linebacker to me, probably more of a three four guy

977
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: than he is a than he is a four three end.

978
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: The signing of Alfred Morris has I mean, I just

979
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: don't see a premium pick being spent on a running back,

980
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: So I want to know more about Cal running back

981
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: Daniel Lasco. Daniel Lasco, I watched him a little bit

982
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: during the season, but then when I saw him at

983
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: the Shrine game with my own eyes, he impressed me

984
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: and really athletic player. And I showed it at the

985
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: combine and he blew it up. The biggest thing with

986
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: him is the durability. Hasn't be able to stay healthy. Um.

987
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: This past year as a senior he only started three games.

988
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: But last but the year before was a junior, Uh,

989
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: he was fantastic. He had over eleven hundred yards. He

990
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: had thirty three catches. Um. He can do a lot

991
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: of things for you, but he's an interesting complimentary back. Yeah,

992
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: this guy is a slam bam runner. And I say,

993
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: I like that. That's what I want. You know, a

994
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: guy hand him the football. I think that he's more

995
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: of a straight line guy. I don't see the ball

996
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: getting out on the edge, but you hand it to

997
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: him between the tackles, he'll bang around in there and

998
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: he'll get some yards. I just looking at my notes,

999
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that gets what's blocked. That's

1000
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: kind of how I described his game. Great here. Yeah

1001
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: it's little and I will say this, so he one

1002
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: thing that he had a little problems on. I always

1003
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: look great pass protection, tends to lunch a little bit.

1004
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: You gotta watch him. Maybe not more the complete back,

1005
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: but again, tough guy, run inside, gets what's blocked, bang

1006
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: off tacklers. Round. Where did I have him on my board?

1007
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: I had him in the sixth round. That's where I

1008
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: got him. And another thing that this team will like

1009
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: about him to your captain, top notch intangibles. He was

1010
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: the cow Special Teams Player of the Year a couple

1011
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: of years ago. So a lot of the other stuff

1012
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: that teams really like. Six foot, two hundred and nine pounds,

1013
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: the combine. They worked him out as a wide receiver.

1014
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah really, yeah, he was asked to work out as

1015
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. The speed is gonna be a four

1016
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: four four if you're scoring at eleven three project. Yeah. Yeah,

1017
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: he's an athlete, but he's a straight line guy. Really

1018
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: really is? I mean, I like everybody, Cowboys need a

1019
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: center or in some depth on the interior line. Nick

1020
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Martin would be a great story. It makes too much

1021
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: sense for me to believe it. Tell me more about

1022
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly, Ryan Kelly, Alabama, I think if you want him,

1023
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: he might have to get him at four because he could.

1024
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I think he might go in the twenties. Dang. I

1025
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: think he's the clear cut top center in this draft.

1026
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: And for teams that need a starting center, a plug

1027
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: and play guy, this is it. I mean, this is

1028
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: who you want. So I think Ryan Kelly's gonna come

1029
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: off the board pretty quickly. He might not even be

1030
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: there at thirty four. Yeah. I think with Ryan Kelly,

1031
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: and this is a great crop of centers and the

1032
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys are really maybe the decision not to keep Mackenzie

1033
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Bernardo around might had a little bit to do with

1034
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: what they saw at the center guard. Me personally, I

1035
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: grabbed the center first and then trained him to be

1036
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: the guard. If you're looking for that swing guy right there,

1037
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Speaker 1: Dan's right though. This kid, Kelly, he's gonna be the

1038
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: first center off the board. The thing that I was

1039
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: really impressed with him was how he is able to

1040
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: when he played that wide three technique. He's athletic enough

1041
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: to snatch that three, get a position and then the

1042
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: ball and then you see Henry and those act strake

1043
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: go behind him because it's hard to you could snatch

1044
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: a one because he's inside on you, but a three's

1045
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: on the outside shoulder the guard. He could snap step,

1046
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: get in position and turn his body and allow the

1047
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: ball to come behind him so he could press the

1048
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: body control absolutely the point of attack strength to do that,

1049
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: and he has it. It's really smart. He's just been

1050
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: a model of consistency for Alabama last few years. So

1051
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's a plug in place center and

1052
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: possible late first round pick. Yeah. Once again, he's six

1053
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: four three eleven pounds, five flat on the afford Ohio

1054
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: kids thirty four two rich to get that guy, I

1055
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: mean not, I mean I don't mean Kelly specifically. I

1056
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: had sixty seven in mind more for the center. Yeah,

1057
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I had sixty because because what's gonna happen. I'm looking

1058
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: at that board, and if one of those receivers are there,

1059
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: or one of those corners are there, I want to starter. Well, yeah,

1060
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: I can't defensive end. I mean we can't maybe a quarterback, okay,

1061
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: but I can't be drafting depth at third four right right,

1062
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel pretty comfortable saying Kelly will not be a

1063
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Dallas cowboy. Yeah, No, he's right about that. He's right.

1064
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: How about a Brugler special because he plays at a

1065
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: school that people couldn't find on a map. We've talked

1066
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: about him before, Victor Och out of Stok. The mascot

1067
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: is Seawolves. The Sea Wolves exactly us his mascot. They

1068
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: were just in the tournament. Yeah they were, yeah, right really, yeah,

1069
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: there's basketball going on right now. What he's I wasn't

1070
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: expecting much because he's he's short, kind of stocky, but

1071
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: he has really long arms for a guy that's that's shorter,

1072
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: and so he's able to you know, sink and extend

1073
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: in the in the rushers and then work off of that. Um.

1074
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot at the Shrine game. The

1075
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: tape I thought backed it up. Uh. A lot of

1076
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: teams are gonna write him off and not take him

1077
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: seriously because of the measurables, right, but I think there's

1078
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: a spot in the NFL for this this player. Yeah,

1079
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: the Bill Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polly, and

1080
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: this would be one of his guys. This would be

1081
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Polly and loved to take those guys that were small

1082
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: school guys, couldn't sound stay. I mean, he this would

1083
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: be right down his I will say this though. The

1084
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: one thing about this guy that I really really liked

1085
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: is he doesn't stay blocked. And and I know you're

1086
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: playing against accountants from Elon and Howard and Maine and

1087
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Coastal Carol. I mean, I understand, I understand, but he's

1088
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: talking about the Shrine game and that's an upset. That

1089
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: was a step up in competition. He had production there.

1090
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: I tell you what, man, this guy, though he's very active,

1091
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't stay blocked. He has balanced He could really

1092
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: close it down from the backside. There's a lot of

1093
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: positive things about Victor Ochie and this up and very

1094
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: very unique player. It's I think you'd be a pastor specialist.

1095
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: All right. People don't want to hear this. Got one more.

1096
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: We gotta take some calls. People don't want to hear

1097
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: this because of how good the Cowboys line is. But

1098
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: tackle tackle is a spot of concern, I think, Um,

1099
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: so tell me more about George's John Thus you're like him.

1100
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not too terribly high on him, but I've watched

1101
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: him play against I say that. I say this with

1102
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: the like I this is not a this is a

1103
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: Day three guy, right? Oh yeah, Yeah, he's not gonna

1104
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: be a top one hundred player. But yeah, if you're

1105
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: looking for depth and on day three a guy that

1106
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: could possibly play left or right, you know, be a

1107
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: verse swing. Yeah, I don't think he's ever gonna be

1108
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: a starter. I just didn't get that impression. Doesn't need

1109
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: a starter right now. But eventually though, Yeah, eventually you

1110
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: want to get a guy they know, Well that's what

1111
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: you got Green four, Chaz Green. You're hoping that Chad

1112
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: lay yet, I know, but scares me. Yeah, but you know,

1113
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: to me, Green is a better prospect than what was

1114
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: coming out. So that's why. But yeah, I you know,

1115
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: I I'll tell you what. I like him. I do

1116
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: admire about him. At the Senior Bowl, when it came

1117
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: down to him and Spence, no, they and that was

1118
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: the practice over at Fair Hope. They were mean the

1119
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: this was like, okay, you're the best pass rusher. I'm

1120
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: just a guy. I went to a big school. But

1121
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: he was able to fight him pretty well and there

1122
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: was a lot of chippy pushing back and forth. You

1123
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: know the guy. The guy took a lot of pride

1124
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: in his ability to work against that guy. Round I

1125
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: had him more in the sixth round. Is where I

1126
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: had fifth sixth type round player. Yeah, I have a

1127
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: fifth six on him and round for Ochie. Sorry I

1128
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: forgot to say that round. I'm a bottom line kind

1129
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: of guy. You are a bottom line guy. I'm looking

1130
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: at Ochi right now. Where's my defensive ends? I have

1131
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: Ochi in the fourth Okay, you look more than nine?

1132
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: Do Ye Holmes, Ochie and Daddy Nicholas. Yeah, I have

1133
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: all my small guys in the fourth round here thirty

1134
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: five pounds. Yeah, a small guys. All those all the guys, Holmes,

1135
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: the kid from Montana, all those guys into two forty range.

1136
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: Here's some intriguing pass rushers, and you gotta find him.

1137
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: That's that's where we gotta find these guys. That's exactly

1138
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: Judons of the world. Matt Judon. There's a guy. How

1139
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: did Matt Judon go from two fifty to two seventy

1140
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: five at the combine? Yeah? He put on some weight. Yeah.

1141
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: Water Burger, Yeah, water Burger I always give We need

1142
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: water Burgers a sponsor here. All right, Kate Garrison, I'm

1143
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna turn this show over to you because I want

1144
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: to take some calls. We got about five minutes left

1145
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: and I want to grab some calls eight eight eight

1146
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: eight five five two two ninety seven. Everybody in the

1147
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: panel is doing well. Dane's a little tired because he's

1148
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: been putting out draft material for you guys, so can't

1149
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: take it away. Yeah, he's been holding for a while.

1150
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: We'll go to Blake and Delaware. Blake, you're on, Hey,

1151
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: what do you think about Von Miller? I'm sorry, Von

1152
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: Bell at thirty four? And in the tredyback scenario, what

1153
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: would you think about grabbing Darren Lee within the teens?

1154
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: And also what is your projection on Jalen Marshall? Thank you? Okay,

1155
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: some buck guys when all Buck you love Darren Ll

1156
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: tell us about Darren Lee. Brian, I'll tell you what

1157
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a part of trade back trade

1158
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: back in on Darren Lee, though I will, as you

1159
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: know on my draft board here as we show, I

1160
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: have Darren Lee and a colored means I need to

1161
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: redo him. I redid him yesterday, and I'm somebody else

1162
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: can have Darren Lee. You're out. I'm not out. I'm

1163
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: just saying the guy could run. All right, you're out.

1164
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: The guy can like him, you know I don't. I'm

1165
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: not a fan. All right, I'm not a fan of

1166
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: Darren Lee. I'll just say that I think the guy

1167
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: runs like a son of a gun. I think there's

1168
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: things that they do with in coverage with him that's

1169
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: that you can work with. I watch him blitz. I

1170
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: don't watch him do anything. I watch him miss tackles

1171
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: in the hole. You know, yeah, someone else he is.

1172
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: He is one of those guys that people are fired

1173
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: up about because he looks good and he watched the

1174
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: tape and he doesn't always play with a red shirt sophomore.

1175
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: So another young guy that you know. I don't like

1176
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: the potential thing. I don't like the project. I'll take

1177
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: Von Bell at thirty four. Yeah, we were just talking

1178
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: about that because we're talking about safeties. In this group.

1179
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Ramsey's a top safety. Should put him on in safety.

1180
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: But after that, I mean, who's who's the next safety? Oh?

1181
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: I have von Bell and then Joseph and one two.

1182
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean I have Ramsey, Bell and Joseph. Those from

1183
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: my top three. I think that's probably why Cowboys fans

1184
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: love Ramsey so much. And I know we just said

1185
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: that they might like him. Moore as a corner. Yeah,

1186
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: I think Cowboys fans are in love with Ramsey because

1187
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: people have been wanting a safety for fifteen years. And

1188
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: if our buddy Darren Woodson absolutely and if you don't,

1189
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: if you don't draft Ramsey, then there aren't a lot

1190
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: of other guys seeing church and and and that's why,

1191
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: that's why Byron Joes is talking about playing safety. It's

1192
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: not a deep class, That's what I'm saying. Though. If

1193
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: you don't get this guy, then you're not going to

1194
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: feel that great about whoever you do get. With von Bell,

1195
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: I see a guy that does a lot of things

1196
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: pretty well. I don't think he does anything great, Yeah,

1197
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: but he does everything pretty well. See field well, and

1198
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: he can cover over the slot. Um read react, it's

1199
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: all there. I don't know he's a special player. I

1200
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: don't see a future pro bowler. But he can start

1201
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: in this league, all right, can't. What do you got? Yeah,

1202
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: Andrew and Kansas Goad Andrew guys, Hey, what's up? Oh?

1203
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot. My question pertains to our convenciatory picks.

1204
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: So we have yea with three sixes. Yeah, And I

1205
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: was just wondering who you guys like there and what

1206
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: their impact might be on the team. Thanks guys, Thank you, Andrew.

1207
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: All Right, you gotta pick it. The best one obviously

1208
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is to one at one thirty five. Yeah, you got

1209
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean, could we get our could we

1210
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: get could the Cowboys get their swing guard center at

1211
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: that spot? That's so okay. I mean it's so hard

1212
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: to predict. But all right, let's assume that they don't

1213
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback at four. I think you probably got

1214
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: to take your quarterback at sixty seven. I know you

1215
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: were looking at that for your swing guy, those two

1216
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: fourth round picks. I think I think that's probably where

1217
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: your running back comes from, and probably and maybe your

1218
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: swing guy too, if I had to guess, I mean,

1219
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: just kind of looking at the way it plays out.

1220
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Could Jonathan Williams follow you at that point there you

1221
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: go out of Arkansas? I'd love to see him there,

1222
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: I think talking about offensive line, Missouri's got a few kids. Yeah,

1223
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern, I think would be a nice fit there.

1224
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Who's he's played tackle, he's played guard. Um, I think

1225
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: he'd be a great fit at that point in the draft.

1226
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think those comp pics are really gonna

1227
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: come in handy this year, no question. Yeah, I agree

1228
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: with you on that too. I mean it's hard to

1229
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: predict who will be there in the three six is

1230
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: the last one being a two seventeen, and they don't

1231
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: have a seven, So what they might try and do

1232
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: is fill some numbers there unless they want to get back.

1233
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't trade something very Cowboys like package, well,

1234
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: they can't trade them. So yeah, they're gonna trade at

1235
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: least once in this draft. I like, that's just a

1236
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: safe bet. All right, can't We're gonna take one more call.

1237
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: Who we came. We got Norman in Silver Spring. You're

1238
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: the last You're the last guy, Norman. Go ahead? All right, Hey, guys,

1239
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking my call. Um, So I

1240
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: was curious. I'm actually one of the few Cowboys fans

1241
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: to actually like Joey Bosay. Yeah, so I would prefer

1242
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsay, but in case is there, I was curious

1243
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: about eight player cup. I haven't heard. I haven't heard

1244
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: you guys to stop that. Cameron Jordan on the thing.

1245
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: I remember in twenty eleven Jordan came out and they

1246
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: were talking about how we dominated Senior Bully. I'd like,

1247
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: really good hand, here is really good technique and that's

1248
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: pretty much what I see him Bosa, so just care

1249
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: he is to see what you're against. Thoughts on that one, Okay,

1250
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate that. I was I misunderstand.

1251
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: I thought he said he hadn't heard a player comparison

1252
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: for Joey Bosa, and I got from us you gonna yeah,

1253
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean Greg Ellis gets talked about on this show

1254
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: like every freaking week, So yeah, he's so much better

1255
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: than um. I don't know what do you think Cam

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Speaker 1: Jordan was taken in like the twenties though, So it's

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Speaker 1: in terms of like draft prospects. It's hard. And I

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Speaker 1: had a scout. I had a scout from another club

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Speaker 1: tell me he this could be very similar to what

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan was. Yeah, I think that's fair when you

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Speaker 1: talk about when you talk man Michael stray andrehands in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame as far as play played thin Okay,

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Speaker 1: not being a not being a not being a coming

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Speaker 1: in from Texas Southern, not being a dominating defensive end,

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Speaker 1: and then he holds the single season sack records. I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you, I mean, yeah, it's no no with

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Speaker 1: an asterix, No, no, you're talking to a guy that

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Speaker 1: that everybody assumed, not assumes thinks I'm killing Bosa. I'm

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Speaker 1: just giving you the other comparison that a scout that

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Speaker 1: I really really like and trust from another team told me.

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Speaker 1: He says, think about him potentially potentially as what Michael

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Speaker 1: Strahand did for the Giant. Yeah, and I'm hearing similar things.

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Speaker 1: Teams love Bosa, I mean because he's he's such a low,

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Speaker 1: low floor, high floor type of guy. You know what

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Speaker 1: you're getting with him. I've heard Strayhand Chris Long is

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Speaker 1: a popular I don't think there's that one clear cut

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Speaker 1: apples to Apple's camp, but there's a lot of these

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Speaker 1: guys that make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, Strayhand,

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Speaker 1: the Long, he's not JJ Watt, I mean exactly the bed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's a smaller version, but you know, he shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be comparative. I think his production is going to be

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Speaker 1: when they play him inside a three technique. Sure, I

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Speaker 1: think that's where when he if he gets sacks, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be because he's playing inside more so than on

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Speaker 1: the outside, or if it's a hustle play or whatever

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Speaker 1: like that. If he if he is what Dane says

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Speaker 1: he is, I don't. I'm not even that concerned about

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Speaker 1: his sack number. If he opens things up for everybody else,

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Speaker 1: that's what he's exactly what he could do. Take I

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Speaker 1: just I just compared him to a guy that didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of sacks. No I know for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: I know, but was a good player. This is all

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Speaker 1: your fault. No, it's not a narratives. Bosa is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a perfectly killed this guy. I just said he

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's good a compliment because people care

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Speaker 1: what you think. And so I retweeted that Garrett and

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Speaker 1: urban Meyer photo, and like three different people were like,

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Speaker 1: tell him not to draft Bosa, tell him not to

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Speaker 1: do it. Only Cowboys fans hate Bosa. It's wonder why

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Speaker 1: that is. It's not me, Dane. Don't be looking at

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Speaker 1: me that way, sir. All right, all right, that's all

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Speaker 1: the time we have for this week. But to thank

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Speaker 1: everybody for the calls, Thank everybody for the tweets, Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening out there every week to us.

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Speaker 1: We do appreciate that. Thirty four days until we get

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Speaker 1: to do this for real. We'll be back next Friday.

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Speaker 1: We'll have some more information we'll have the winding up

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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys thirty visits. Maybe we can, uh I

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Speaker 1: think at leak a few names or two. They might be,

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Speaker 1: uh might be interesting to yoursel. Yeah, that's what I Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I worry about that every single day. So for

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Speaker 1: my buddies, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, executive producer, ken't Garritsign,

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Speaker 1: Brian Brown, thank you so much. We'll see you next

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Speaker 1: week from the s WBC Morgat Studios.