1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Donna kay Cloud missing. Our 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: only clue that we have right now is that she 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: went on a date with someone she had met online. 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: Donna kay Cloud Missing Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Montgomery 5 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: County authorities say nineteen year old Donna ky Cloud has 6 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: vanished after going on a blind date. Officially say, Donnah 7 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: went on the date with an unknown man about a 8 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: week ago, and now no one has seen or heard 9 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: from her since last Wednesday night. I found out that 10 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: she didn't even know the guy after she already a 11 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: loud and made a comment to her through her messaging 12 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: and told her, you know, hey, that's not a very 13 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: smart thing to do. Said, I'm going to get Redbox movies, 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: go back to his house, and I will probably be 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: back in the morning. If you don't hear from me 16 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: by two, she said, call a cop. We don't know 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: what he was driving, who he was. We never saw 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: a vehicle, never saw a face, never really heard a name. 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Friends and family have been flooding Facebook with flyers and 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: posts pleading for any information or help in finding Donna. 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: Something's better than nothing. At this point, investigators think the 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: date may have taken place at the Texas Roadhouse restaurant 23 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: near Kingwood, but even that has not been confirmed. Where 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: is this gorgeous girl. I'm looking right into big brown eyes, 25 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: and I swear she looks like she's looking right at me. 26 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: This missing Splendora woman, now gone for weeks on end. 27 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: Where is nineteen year old Donna kay Cloud? You know 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking at her and I'm hearing the heartbreak and 29 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: her dad's voice. Her dad, Darryl Baty, has said over 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: and over his girl told him she was meeting a 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: man at a restaurant in Kingwood. We now know that 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to be Texas Roadhouse. Why can't any leads develop? I 33 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: meansy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 34 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: with us, with me an all star panel to try 35 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: and figure out the mystery surrounding Donna k Cloud, missing 36 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: six October twenty five. James Shelnutt, twenty seven years metro 37 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: major case swat now lawyer, Founder and CEO of the 38 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Coal Case Investigative Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert, doctor 39 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining me from LA but right now 40 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: to Alexis terres Chuck Investigative reporter joining us Crime online 41 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: dot Com. Alexis, you're on this in so many other cases, 42 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you keep them all straight. I 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: found out about Donna kay Cloud through Facebook. Her friends 44 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: and relatives wrote me at our Nancy Gray site. That's 45 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: how I found her. I don't understand why the world 46 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: hasn't learned about Donna kay Cloud. I mean, you see 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: so many people like UM, when Natalie Holloway went missing, 48 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: when UM Elizabeth Smart went missing, when Kelly Anthony went missing, 49 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: it was a huge big deal. I haven't heard a 50 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: word about Donna kay Cloud. Well, she is only nineteen 51 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: years old. She was absolutely I must still say is 52 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: she is absolutely beautiful along dark hair, and she just 53 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: has disappeared. Literally, this is one of the coldest cases 54 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: that we probably we're going to discuss. She went out 55 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: for a blind date. She only nineteen years old. Her 56 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: parents got her phone from Walmart. They just she's protecting 57 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: with somebody and they decided to meet up. It was 58 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: to dinner. They're going to a roadhouse she's you know, 59 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: like a state restaurant, and she never comes back again. 60 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Her family goes frantically looking for her. They even they 61 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: are the ones they could be investigating. Her parents went 62 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: to the restaurant King's Roadehouse to look for the security 63 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: footage to see what this man looked like. That she's 64 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: on to date with nothing. She never actually shows up 65 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: that so restaurant so terrified. Are we absolutely sure about that? 66 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: That is what her dad has said that he went 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: in the footage. I'm sure her dad is right. For 68 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, we're talking about a 69 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: beautiful young girl just nineteen years old. Cops say her 70 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: case has gone cold. I don't accept that. I've got 71 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: a tip line for you. Nine three to six, seven 72 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: to six zero five eight seven one. Donna kay Cloud, 73 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: nineteen years old. You can see her face at crime 74 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: online dot com. She looks like everybody's little sister. She 75 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: can't weigh more than well. As a matter of fact, 76 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the poster right now. I started to 77 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: say she can't may weigh more than one hundred and 78 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: twenty pounds, and that's right. She's five to one and 79 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: barely reaching one hundred and twenty pounds. Long, dark brown 80 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: hair and dark brown eyes. Tiplin nine three six seven 81 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: six zero five eight zero zero straight out to Cheryl McCullum, 82 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, 83 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: where do we even start? You start where you last 84 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: know for sure she was and seen alive, So wherever 85 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: that is she never made it to the restaurant. We 86 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: don't know this person. We have nothing to identify him with. 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: I would start with her computer. Was she in fact 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: on dating type? Who contacted her? All of that she 89 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: either part of her computer or if they can locate 90 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: anything she saved in the cloud or anything like that, 91 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: talk your best friends. If in fact she was on 92 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: these sites. There's a footprint a lot, you know. I'm 93 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: looking at the Texas Roadhouse right now, and it looks 94 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: like a big restaurant bar, and my point is it's big. 95 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: They've got big wooden booths that come up a little 96 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: bit almost to the top of a man's head. Because 97 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: in the photo I'm looking at, there's a normal sized 98 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: man sitting there with a woman, and the booth top 99 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: comes up almost to the top of the head. My 100 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: point is, you really can't see over the booth and 101 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: look at who is behind you or who was on 102 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: the other side of your booth. And there's solid like 103 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: big beams of oak or pine, and that would make 104 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: it less likely for her to be spotted with this 105 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: security cam. If she was sitting with her back to 106 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: the camera, you'd never know it was her. They are 107 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: solid beams of wood in the booths. It's big. It's 108 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: one of those, you know, fun looking places with the 109 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: walls covered with antique. You know, it looks like beer signs, 110 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Coca Cola signs, guy cutouts of guys in cowboy hats. 111 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: There's TVs everywhere. I don't know if a witness would 112 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: have even recognized her, a nineteen year old girl. But 113 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I want to circle back to something that Cheryl McCollum 114 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: just said regarding her computer, and in my mind it 115 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: would be more her phone back to you, Alexis Terreschu 116 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Do we have 117 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: reason to believe she was on a dating website, like 118 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum said, or was this you know, a friend 119 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: of mine setting me up on a blind date? What 120 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: do we know? Yes, she was on a dating website. 121 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: That is where she met this man. So her family 122 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: had called this a blind date. And while technically she 123 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: had never met the man who yes at the blind 124 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: day to blind It is usually when your friend set 125 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you up with somebody that you've never met before. That 126 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: description really is not accurate about what happened here. She 127 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: met someone online, a stranger, and she went to meet him. 128 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: She was not set up by a friend or on 129 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: a blind date. And originally people had said her dad 130 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: thought she'd met him on Facebook. She did not meet 131 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: him on Facebook. She met him on a dating website, 132 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: and she was using her phone to do that dating 133 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: a website. Now, actually, it would be so much better 134 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: if a friend had set her up on a blind date. 135 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: That's not what happened. That way, I could circle back 136 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: to the friend, I could find out who the blind 137 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: date was. We don't know that, But what we do 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: know is she met this guy on a website, probably 139 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: using her phone. Believe it or not. That does narrow 140 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: things down. Earlier, you heard our friends at Houston, Texas 141 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: TVCW thirty nine. But now take a listen to KPRC 142 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: channel to Brandon Walker. She was last here, according to 143 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: the family, at this Texas roadhouse restaurant on a date. 144 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: She's from Splendor, that's about thirteen miles north here on 145 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: fifty nine, and that's where her family is tonight worried, sick. No, 146 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't know where she's at. I don't know what's 147 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: going on. To hear Darryl Batty is to feel his 148 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: pain of fathers searching to find his daughter. Donna Cloud 149 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: is nineteen years old, missing her, dad says since Tuesday 150 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: went and got her a little phone from Walmart and 151 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: she was conversing with somebody on the Internet, and then 152 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: she told us that she was going to go out 153 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: on a date. Again. That was Tuesday. The date, according 154 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: to Batty, was here if the Texas Roadhouse restaurant on 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Highway fifty nine and Kingwood. That's a definite, says the family. 156 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: But what they don't know is who Donna had agreed 157 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: to meet. She just been messaging him. He offered to 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: take her to the Roadhouse for dinner Prime Stories with 159 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Wednesday was the last time Baby corresponded with Donna. Hey, Dad, 160 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the mall and probably see 161 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: a movie this evening. Not sure yet by text message. 162 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: Since then, he has searched phone records, Facebook, you name it, nothing. 163 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know where she's at. She could be anywhere, 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: and it's really it really hurts me because there's nothing 165 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: I can do. I feel so helpless. Donna Cloud as 166 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: a mother, herself, as a three year old son, she's nineteen, 167 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: She's just a baby. Tonight, her father, her family holds 168 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: out hope, praying, they say that Donna comes home. We 169 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: miss you and we love you, and we want you 170 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: to come home. We are talking about a nineteen year 171 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: old girl who has gone missing, and our only clue 172 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that we have right now is that she went on 173 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: a date with someone she had met online. Donna ky 174 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: Cloud Missing with me an all Star panel. James shell Nutt, 175 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: twenty seven years, Atlanta, Metro Major Case swat Now lawyer, 176 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: founder of the Coal Case Investigative Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, 177 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly Hills 178 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: and Crime Online dot Com. Alexis Terrez Chuck to James 179 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: shell Nutt, Metro Major Case swat Now lawyer, where would 180 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: you start the search? Well, I mean you have to 181 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: start the search at the people closest to her, and 182 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: so I think, you know, you've really got two people 183 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: that would raise my interest right off the bat, which 184 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: is the dad who reportedly there was an argument with 185 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: just before she left. As willis trying to identify this 186 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: mystery person. Those two would give some equal attention to 187 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: me because theoretically those were the two people closest to 188 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: the victim at the time she was last seeing. Well, 189 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: you're understanding that she went on a blind date, but 190 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: apparently there seems to be a little bit of controversy 191 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: surrounding that theory. Alexi's terress check. Do we absolutely know 192 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: she went on a blind date? We do not. There 193 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: has not been any evidence that the police have shared, 194 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: or that anybody has shared about the blind date. There 195 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: are no profiles that have matched with the man. You know, 196 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: if you're on a dating website, there is somebody that 197 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: you can contact the dating website and they can say, look, 198 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: here's this person they were talking with this person, can 199 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: you show us up. There's been nothing there. There was 200 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: no evidence that there was another man that she met 201 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: up with. Okay, who is Carter Meyer and who is 202 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Aubrey Schultz. They seem to be the last confirmed people 203 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: to see Donna before she goes missing, And I'd like 204 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: to point out they have both fully cooperated with law enforcement. 205 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: To our understanding, Anne has spoken at length with Donna's 206 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: friends and family. Now, some witnesses have come forward saying 207 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: they saw Donna get dropped home by Carter Meyer. Now 208 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: that's a conflicting story. What do you know about that? 209 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: If anything. Alexis Carter Myer and Aubrey Show are friends 210 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: of Donna's and people are saying that they were with 211 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: her and if they were seen dropping her off after 212 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: her father claims that she went out on a blind 213 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: date and went missing. Now the police have contacted the 214 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: two of them and have spoken with them and have 215 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: said that they are cooperating with the police. But this 216 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: is very suspicious because these are two people that have 217 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: seemed to have nothing to do with anything, just friends 218 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: of her. As people say they saw her with them 219 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: and then she disappears. Guys, we're talking about a nineteen 220 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: year old Texas girl. The case has now gone cold, 221 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: according to a parties m Cheryl McCollum, I'm not sure 222 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: where to go with this now. For me, I've got 223 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: three lines of investigation. One would be the alleged blind 224 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: date to the theory that she was brought back to 225 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the home and dropped off after the date, and witnesses 226 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: say that, but you know, I don't know about that 227 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: theory because witnesses may have seen her dropped off another 228 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: night that you know. That's that's tricky right there. And 229 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: you've got the father, the bio dad of her child, 230 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: who always is someone you look at whether they're a 231 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: suspect or not. And I remember your office in Bolt County, Nancy, 232 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and we had something similar where there seemed like a 233 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of misdirection on a case. Nobody seemed to know 234 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: anything for sure. Everybody said kind of a half truth. 235 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: And I remember you're like, look, if you've got three 236 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: people at church and one says they're going into the sanctuary, 237 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: and one says they're going into the Sunday school room, 238 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: and one says they're going home, how many people do 239 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: you know are still at church? And everybody said, well too, 240 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't know the answer is you don't know. 241 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: If you don't have any proof that person went home, 242 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: then you stay right there and say three people are 243 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: at that church. So the bottom line is, we don't 244 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: know she ever went at the restaurant. There's no evidence 245 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: she made it to the restaurant, there's no evidence she 246 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: met this mysterious man there's no evidence of anything except 247 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: the family keeps telling you things. The family has a 248 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: pr problem. That's not good. Volunteers have pulled out. The 249 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: police are like, yeah, there's a lot here that not 250 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: telling us everything. The other thing that's a little, you know, 251 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: a little well not just flat concerning, is they never 252 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: spoke to her. They got text messages from her. Anybody 253 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: could have been doing that as well. You know when 254 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: you're saying anybody could have been doing that at well, 255 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: that's a pretty thick plot right there. There's somebody's not 256 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: only brought her to harm, but they're taking the time 257 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: to fake Facebook and text messages. I'm curious as to 258 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: whether we know, do you know, Cheryl, whether her cell 259 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: phone has ever been recovered. That's why I said the computer, 260 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: because the cell phone was with her, so we don't 261 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: have it. But some of that might also leave a 262 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: footprint on her actual computer because it shared, you know, 263 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: fights and all. But the fell phone, to our knowledge, 264 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: is with her wherever that is. And after the two 265 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: days where she's saying I'm going to the movies, I'm 266 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: going here, I'm saying another night. Everything's great, but if 267 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: I need y'all, let you know, they never spoke to 268 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: her to know that it was just a text. You know, 269 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm very curious also, Cheryl, as to whether she was 270 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: ever pinged. Right, she really left all these text messages. 271 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: There should be a digital ping basically a map brea 272 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: based on her cell phone as to where she was 273 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: to James shell Nutt, Explain how that work. For instance, 274 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: if I go for a walk, or I go for 275 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: a run, and I go let's just say, let's just 276 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: pretend I make it for four miles, if I'm talking 277 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: on the phone, or I even have my phone on, 278 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: explain how it pings off cell towers. So your cell 279 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: phone broadcasts to the closest tower, and when it broadcasts 280 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: to the closest tower, there is a recording of that. 281 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: In other words, just like you said, you can map 282 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: the history of what tower that phone reaches out to 283 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: to relay the signal to the next tower. That is 284 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: what pinging is. You know. In this situation, something that 285 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: I failed interesting was that the family and one of 286 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: the interviews said that they had just bought her a 287 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: phone at Walmart. You know, one of the biggest turbals 288 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: for investigators when you're talking about looking at electronic footprint 289 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: is phones that are kind of pay as you go phones. 290 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: These phones do not always have data available such as pings, 291 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: such as history, such as call walks, as the common 292 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: careers such as Verizon or Sprint may have. You know, 293 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot of times these carriers, it is very difficult 294 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: to get this information. A lot of times criminal underworld 295 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: uses these types of phones. Even terrorists sometimes use these 296 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: types of phones. And are you talking about burner phones 297 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: like you get in a drugstore. Yeah, that's exactly what 298 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And it's very difficult to get data 299 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: off of these phones and retrieve data like it would 300 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: be a common standard carrier. We know. She says she 301 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: was going to Texas Roadhouse. She texted her dad the 302 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: twenty six said the date was great, the guy was nice. 303 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: She would see him the next day, the twenty seventh. However, 304 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: we've confirmed as Alexis terrest. Chuck Crime Online has told 305 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: us there's no surveillance video of her at Texas Roadhouse, 306 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: And just in case you wanted to know, cops followed 307 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: up and when and interviewed every single server that had 308 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: worked there that night. Not one server said they waited 309 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: on her to their knowledge. You know what. I worked 310 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: at a sandwich shop pretty much through law school, and 311 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: I could remember who had been in and out that day. 312 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: I remember when I screwed up an order. I even 313 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: knew what certain people ordered. I think that they would 314 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: have remembered her. Plus no surveillance. That's two reasons we 315 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: know that she wasn't there. Crime stories with Nancy Grace 316 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: today makes seventy one days that no one has heard 317 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: from her that we know of. The nineteen year old, 318 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: a mother to a three year old little boy named Ryan, 319 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: hasn't been heard from since late October. Her family says 320 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: Montgomery County detectives told them they're concerned. He said, you 321 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: can find a body quicker than you can find someone live. 322 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: I said, you know what are you doing? You put 323 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: yourself at risk. Donna's father says these are the last 324 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: text messages he exchanged with his daughter. On October twenty fifth, 325 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: she claimed she was headed to a blind date at 326 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: this Texas roadhouse in Kingwood, later writing the date when great. 327 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: He's super nice. I will call if I need anything. 328 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: You can't imagine many things that have gone through my 329 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: mind that are the possibilities of what could have happened 330 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: to her? The Sheriff's office says Donna is considered a 331 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: missing person. They've pursued leads with no luck. Investigators say 332 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: there was some type of disagreement with family before her disappearance. 333 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: Detectives say there's no evidence to suggest she went on 334 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: that date or foul play. Okay, it's murkier and Murkier. 335 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: That's kt RK, ABC thirteen, Steve Campion speaking. They did 336 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: match up some of her GPS coordinates from her phone. 337 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: It was about one am on the twenty seventh, Everybody Soaked. 338 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: This in shows her traveling down the Houston Interstate, making 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: dozens of stops until her phone drops off. Hasn't been 340 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: seen or heard from since she did not bring clothes, wallet, money, 341 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: or her son. By all accounts, she was devoted to 342 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: m Okay, what happened to this girl? Donna kay Cloud nineteen. 343 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: They say her case is cold. I disagree. You know, 344 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: I heard either the mother or the grandmother say something interesting. 345 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: Cheryl Cheryl McCallum's joining me, founder and CEO of the 346 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl they said that they were told, 347 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: you can find someone easier if they're dead than alive. 348 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Well, one I disagree, 349 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: and two I'm going to say again, we only know 350 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: that her phone was traveling and making numerous thoughts. It 351 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: doesn't mean she was with it. When somebody says to me, 352 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: you can find somebody faster if they're dead, only if 353 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: you know where to look, and only if you happen 354 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: to stumble upon them. How many people do we recover 355 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: that has been dead for a decade. Not many. If 356 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: somebody's moving and they're traveling, they make mistakes. That you're 357 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: talking about somebody nineteen that have no credit cards, no 358 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: money to speak of, left her baby behind, that she 359 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: was devoted to. That to me is multiple red flags 360 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: right there. She doesn't have the means to go to 361 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: Mexico to start over to get the anchorage. You're talking 362 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: about somebody that wouldn't be able to get more than 363 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: five Well, we know that she was on the one 364 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: oh five along Houston, and that is a pretty major highway. 365 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: And I'm also curious, did the GPS really show that 366 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: there were dozens of stops along an interstate. That doesn't 367 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: sound good to me. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold 368 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: Case Research institute. Why would you make dozens of stop, 369 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: not one, not two, but dozens of stops along the 370 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: one o five on the interstate. I mean, does that 371 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: sound like somebody's trying to dump her body? It sounds 372 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: bad to me, because again, if your method is to 373 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: get away, you're running away from home. Essentially, you're running 374 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: away from your life. You're not gonna make any stops 375 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: and ustic, you're gonna boog you right on through that joint. 376 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: So to me, if you're making multiple stops, it's for 377 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: something sinister. It's bad, you know. I'm also curious. I 378 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: don't know if you know about this. Alexis Terrestia at 379 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, But there have been 380 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: reports that her wallet was found in her dad's car. 381 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Do we know anything about that? And I just find 382 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: it really weird that she would leave with her phone 383 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: but without her wallet, and that does seem so suspicious. 384 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: And what came out after a couple of days was 385 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: that her dad said, well, you know what, we actually 386 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: did have a fight. She and I had been together 387 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: in my car and we had a fight and she 388 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: left her wallet behind. But she seems a suspicious, like 389 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: you don't go on a date without your wallet. I 390 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: know you're only nineteen, so you don't need to show 391 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: your ID because you're not twenty one to drink, but 392 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: you still need your wallet. You need your wallet when 393 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: you leave the house. So it's very suspicious that her 394 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: wallet was in her dad's car. Wasn't something that we 395 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: said in the very beginning of course though, On the 396 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: other hand, is she had a fuss with her dad. 397 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: I could say, you're storming off and slamming the door 398 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: and not even realizing she left the wallet behind. I mean, 399 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: let's get real for a moment. How many times do 400 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: teens have an argument with their father? Okay, I can't remember. 401 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: I would argue just in a circle with my dad 402 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: about the presidential election in high school. Oh if I 403 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: could only take that back. I don't know how I 404 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: even put up with it. This is what we know. 405 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: She had on a burgundy T shirt, blue jeans. She 406 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: had a white canvas shoes. She was carrying a hard 407 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: phone case that functioned as a wallet, So maybe that's 408 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: why she left her actual wallet behind. Maybe she had 409 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: her ID in a credit card or ID and money 410 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: with her brown hair, brown eyes, Her ears are pierced. 411 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: She has a diamond tattoo on her right ring finger 412 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: and a cross and I'm just looking at her right now, 413 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: and she's absolutely stunning, and I'm wondering how her little 414 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: boy is getting along without her. James Sheldon, I want 415 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: to talk to you about this. Stopping dozens of times 416 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: on the one oh five. That doesn't I mean, can 417 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: you imagine, let's see you compare it to seventy five 418 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: south or eighty five north in your jurisdiction. Stopping dozens 419 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: of times? Why that doesn't sound good to me. No, 420 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound good at all. I agree with what 421 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: was said, Amen to go. I mean that just that 422 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: throws up a red flag to me. It does look 423 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 1: like a place that you're trying to get rid of 424 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: some type of evidence or get rid of a body. 425 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: I guess there could be other reasons, but I will 426 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: tell you that, given the facts of this case, that 427 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: would be the first concern that came to mind. You know, 428 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: she was last seen in Splendora, Texas, Octaber twenty five, Jackie, 429 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: can you'll look up the population for me in Splendora. 430 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: She left home to go out on a blind date 431 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: with an unidentified mail mail. We think she met online. 432 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: Her father did not realize she didn't know the guy 433 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: until she'd already left. According to the dad, she sent 434 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: him a tex say she'd probably be back in the 435 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: morning and if he didn't hear from her by two am, 436 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: to call the police. Now, you know, normally right there, 437 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: to Alexis Terres Chuck, why would you say, if you 438 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: don't hear from me, call police right there? Why would 439 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: you go out with a guy you're worried that you 440 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: may have to call police? I mean, it's such a 441 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: huge rudge flag because you don't know that person. So 442 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: in some level she knew this is probably not the 443 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: best thing to do about with a complete stranger. So 444 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: you kind of say it as a joke. Maybe Again, 445 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: she is nineteen years old. She's still pretty young, you know, daddy, 446 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: if you don't hear from me, call the cops. But 447 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that she was actually afraid. But that 448 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: may have been, to me, the last real text message 449 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: that she ever sent. As Cheryl said too, you know, 450 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: anybody could have sent those text messages saying, Oh, I'm 451 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: going to the movies. I'll be back in a couple 452 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: of days. What of the text message is said, hey, 453 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: please kake care my sir, and I'm sorry I'm not help. Yeah, 454 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right when you have to say if you 455 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: don't hear from me, call the cops. That's not a 456 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: good dating choice. Take a listen to our friends at 457 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: kg RK ABC thirteen loved ones are giving up. They've 458 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 1: spent the past twenty months searching for her. They're now 459 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: raising money to add to her one thousand dollars crime 460 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: stoppers reward. They hold cold hardcare can solve this case. 461 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: People are greedy, a lot of people and if they 462 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: do know something, maybe if we can get that up, 463 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: then you know, we can get someone to come for 464 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: which brings us to this Academy store in New Caney. Yesterday, 465 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: family and friends spend hours selling baked goods and raffle tickets. 466 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: Around seven in the evening, someone stole the raffle jar 467 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: with hundreds of dollars in it and literally turned around 468 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: for a second and then my son was screaming that 469 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: they took the money. What's even worse, the event organizer 470 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: says the thief taunted her child inside the store. He 471 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: had followed my child around talking about what we were doing. 472 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Was pointless because we were going to find her dead anyway. 473 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: The loss isn't breaking their spirits. They still plan on 474 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: throwing a big fundraise there on Donna's birthday July seventh. 475 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: She'll be twenty one years old. Bela she's out there 476 00:28:50,160 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: somewhere and she's just waiting on somebody to rescue Crime 477 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I'm looking for my grand baby. 478 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: It means the world me and I need her here 479 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: with me, And one way or another, there's gonna be 480 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: answers for someone, and somebody's gonna come forward. I just 481 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: hope it's soon because I don't feel like i'm live 482 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: with outher and it's been twenty two months. Come this 483 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: twenty seventh, this month, and I'm ready. I'm ready for 484 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: my baby behind. She's been in my heart for a 485 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: long time, so I know what that feeling is. And 486 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: I believe she's out there somewhere and she's just waiting 487 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: on somebody to rescue her. Someone knows something. I mean, 488 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: someone doesn't just vanish without a trace. We just pray 489 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: that she comes home safe. That's all. It's been a 490 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: long too long, you know, you told me, I think 491 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Backham January was seventy one days. How long has it been? 492 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: Almost two years? Seven twenty two months? Can you imagine 493 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: the heartbreak you're hearing our friends at kat RK ABC thirteen. 494 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Now was Steve Campion? This young girl nineteen years old 495 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: headed out to Texas roadhouse, but according to surveillance video 496 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: and their waitresses there, she never showed up. We know 497 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: she left with no credit cards. She left behind her car, money, identification, 498 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: and clothes, and most important, her three year old son. 499 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: Her family insists she would never have just walked out 500 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: on them. So where is Donna k? Cloud? Go to 501 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: crime online dot com to see a photo of her 502 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: and the tip line nine three six seven six zero 503 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: five eight seven one Back to founder of the Cold 504 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCallum. Cheryl, when you look at 505 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: everything she left behind, why would she leave behind her car? 506 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: Wouldn't she want her car on a blind date? Why 507 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: does she didn't like the guy and she wanted to 508 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: get home? Now I'm understanding that these two friends dropped 509 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: her off at the blind date? Is that how you 510 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: understand it? How I kind of understand it, But Nancy, 511 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: I would go back. There's two things that I really 512 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: want to know the answer to before that happened, when 513 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: she dropped the baby off at his father's house, what 514 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: did she tell him? Did she say I'm going to 515 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: pick him up in the morning, or was the child 516 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: going to stay with him the entire weekend? Because here's 517 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: what I find odd. I find odd that a nineteen 518 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: year old girl goes on a blind date but then 519 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: text us her dad, hey, I'm not coming home tonight, 520 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: and then text with him says, hey, no, one's so great, 521 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying another night. What girl does that with her dad? 522 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: I just find that questionable, And to me, I want 523 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: to go back and those she'd say I'm going to 524 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: pick him up in the morning and never did. I 525 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: gotta know that answer. Well, the text communications between her 526 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: and her dad sound very odd to me, but I 527 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: don't want to judge whatever their relationship was. Maybe that 528 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: was okay with him. It's believed that Donna went on 529 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: a date with a man she met online. I'm very curious. 530 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to whether cops looked at the website. 531 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: We know that sex trafficking is a very strong possibility 532 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: on these dating sites. A lot of sex trafficking victims 533 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: end up taken off the websites and to you, Cheryl McCollum, 534 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: how does that work? Thanks trafficking words? Couple different ways, 535 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: but they're all websites where they picked their victim. When 536 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: they meet up wherever they meet up, she's taken immediately 537 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: and within three hours she's gone. So from where they 538 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: are down, you know, they're on that road in Houston. 539 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: They could have been at different truck pop, they could 540 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: have been at different places. She could have already been working. 541 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's very very fast. It's not like I'm going 542 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: to kidnap you keep you a couple of days, change 543 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: your hair color. It is fast in a lot of ways, 544 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: it really is. And I'm looking at this strained relationship 545 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: with her father. But I don't know. I just feel 546 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: like we're looking in the wrong direction. I'm still hung 547 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: up on those multiple stops going up and down the 548 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: interstate question, do you, James Shelno, What can cops do now? 549 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: I think that what you have to do now is 550 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: you have to look at the last location where her 551 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: phone transmitted the signal, whether that was through a pink, 552 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: whether that was through something like Google locate. You have 553 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: to start there. To me, her phone stopped broadcasting for 554 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: a reason. The phone is either turned off, at which 555 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: point it will paying or transmit, the phone went dead, 556 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: or the phone was damaged to the extent that it 557 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: couldn't transmit by water or some other means. I think 558 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: that you have to go there and start at that 559 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: point from a geographical standpoint. Additionally, the family had hired, 560 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: according to reports, a private investigator who supposedly sent the 561 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: dad a very eerie message indicating that the daughter was okay, 562 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: and I would like to talk to that guy. That guy, 563 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: to me, is one of the next logical stopping points 564 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and the fact that the family hired 565 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: a private investigator tells me a lot. Cheryl McCollum to me, 566 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: it takes the focus off the dad because if they're 567 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: willing to spend money and hire a PI, why would 568 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: they do that if they're involved again misdirection, because what 569 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: did the guy tell it? The guy said, Oh, she's alive. 570 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: Where's the proof? Why does it law enforcement know that? 571 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: Why did none of her friends know that? If this 572 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: person walks away from their life, you generally keep something, 573 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: whether it's your child, your best friend, something. So again, 574 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: if somebody plays tennis at the alpha level, and they 575 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: change their lives completely. Wherever they are they're playing tennis, 576 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: there's something they keep. I do not believe a nineteen 577 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: year old girl with no money, no credit cards in 578 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: her name has just gotten a new life and left 579 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: everything she knows behind. It's not logical to me. Well, 580 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: I know this much. I don't think there's any way 581 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: she would not have come back to check on her 582 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: three year old little boy by now, Amy, I don't 583 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: believe it. I think Donna kay Cloud has been murdered. 584 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: If you have information, we beg you to call the 585 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: tipline nine three six seven six zero five eight seven one. 586 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing 587 00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: off