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Speaker 1: Tonight, we have got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is a jam packed show, and no we're

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Speaker 2: not going to talk about viruses or anything political. We're

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Speaker 2: just getting No it's a radical concept, but Colin and

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Speaker 1: We're just going to talk about college football.

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Speaker 2: That's the lane that you trust us to stay in,

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Speaker 2: and that's the lane we're going to stay in. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about a very unique and to me

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Speaker 2: from the national perspective of an underrated rivalry. We're going

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Speaker 2: to kick off the show with that in just a

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of you watch.

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Speaker 2: Our video about Clemson about a week and a half

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Speaker 2: maybe two weeks ago, when we were talking about what

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Speaker 2: them in the Atlantic Coast Conference, and we threw around

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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, we threw around North Carolina, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of you you didn't take exception. You actually wanted us

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Speaker 2: do it if they were to do it. And this

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Speaker 2: has obviously received a lot of attention now with what MATC.

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Speaker 2: Brown tweeted the other night when they were showing on

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Speaker 2: ESPN the replay of the two thousand and five Rose Bowl,

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Speaker 2: and I got some Q and A tonight, and I'm

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Speaker 2: also going to give you, as we have done the

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Speaker 2: past four or five shows, now another one of those

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Speaker 2: all access trademark patented registered now all access Late Kick stories.

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Speaker 2: And to do that, we're not going to go back

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Speaker 2: all that far in time. In fact, we're just going

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Speaker 1: Recently as a few months back.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a lot to get to and we're

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Speaker 2: happy to have you with us tonight. I want to

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Speaker 2: get started with this. What a rivalries mean to you

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Speaker 2: in college football? I think they are part of the

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Speaker 2: fabric of the game. I think they mean more in

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Speaker 2: the college game than the pro game because mainly folks

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Speaker 2: choose to go where they go to college, whereas in

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Speaker 2: the pro game, your average lifespan with a given team,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: One year's, two years, three years. Free agency is a

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Speaker 2: Obviously, you work through your rookie contract, you may or

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Speaker 2: the passion and the intensity with which high level rivalry

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Speaker 1: College football is all about.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to explain briefly on this show how unique

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Speaker 2: and to me, very underrated the Georgia Auburn rivalry is

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Speaker 2: it's called the Deep South's oldest rivalry, and.

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Speaker 1: It has a lot to do with you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe even if you're not a fan of Georgia or Auburn.

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Speaker 2: It's a very underrated rivalry. It's a regional rivalry now

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Speaker 1: If you're down in the.

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Speaker 2: For Georgia and Auburn fans, it's a big deal year round.

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Speaker 2: You guys talk about it year around. You live right

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Speaker 2: they don't really talk about Georgia versus Auburn. They talk

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Speaker 2: Of course, for Auburn, you've got Alabama of course for Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Now I want you to follow me here. This is

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want you to understand. There's a big

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Speaker 2: difference in Auburn fans who live in West Alabama, for example, Livingston, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Auburn's about thirty minutes from the Georgia border.

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Speaker 2: So if you talk about the one to eighty five corridor,

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Speaker 2: to try and convince you that Georgia is a big

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Speaker 2: when Alabama and Georgia played each other once for an

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Speaker 1: They'll take a wooden.

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Speaker 2: Spoon and they'll put it between their teeth and they'll say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I pull for Alabama, believe it or not. I want

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Speaker 2: to Shaven to beat Curry Schart. Now what sense does

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Speaker 2: that make fund the world? Would you be pulling for

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Speaker 2: your arch trival. Well, here's what Auburn. Here's what some

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Speaker 2: Auburn fans will tell you. Some Auburn folks will tell you,

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Speaker 2: I despise at a cellular level the University of Alabama,

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Speaker 2: everything they stand for, everything they represent, and I despise

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Speaker 1: But here's the bottom line. That guy's great and.

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Speaker 2: Alabama is on an unprecedented run right now. And it's

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Speaker 2: not that we we like it, but we have come

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Speaker 1: So that is what it is.

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Speaker 2: And so you go back a couple of years and

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Speaker 2: most of whom live either close to or in the

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Speaker 2: folks pulling for Alabama when they played Georgia. And here

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Speaker 2: But the second thing that they said, from just a

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Speaker 1: What does more damage to us if we're Auburn. What

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Speaker 2: Here's what I kept hearing. It made sense the more

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Speaker 1: We would hate it. You know, it wouldn't be a

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Speaker 2: For us to watch, but it wouldn't really have a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of impact on Auburn if Nick Saban has

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Speaker 2: five championships at Alabama versus four championships at Alabama. But

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Speaker 2: what happens if Kirby smart at Georgia when their first

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Speaker 2: do to us? Potentially a lot. Auburn heavily recruits the

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Speaker 2: state of Georgia. But here's what they'd be comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: They'd be comfortable, not happy, but comfortable with Bama win

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Speaker 2: What they can't have is the University of Georgia as

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Speaker 2: You may think, and even I may think, that Georgia

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Speaker 2: And if they do believe Georgia's bypassed them, it's still

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Speaker 2: Certainly they've been close, but they haven't won a national championship.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's won an SEC championship, but even the same year

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Speaker 1: What have we won?

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Speaker 2: I think Collin's like twelve of the last fifteen or

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Speaker 2: They don't look at Georgia the same way, so they

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Speaker 2: In the state of Georgia where I live, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of passion and when Kirby.

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Speaker 1: Smart took the job, We talked about this on the

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Speaker 2: I thought criticism Levy towards Mark rickt and the comparison

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Speaker 2: But there is very very unique sort of set of

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Speaker 2: But if you've been around Auburn folks who live in

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Speaker 2: tell you a lot of them just flat out tell

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Speaker 1: But even the ones who will tell you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bama's Bama, They're the big rival.

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Speaker 2: But man, if those two play each other, I gott

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Speaker 2: admit to you, I pull for Alabama over Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Don't. If they win one more, they win one more.

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Speaker 2: I cannot live with Georgia winning one Because here's the fallback.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how many of the last how many you've

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Speaker 1: What are you grinning for?

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Speaker 2: You would view him completely different. Nothing changed. All that

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Speaker 1: Well, look at what North Carolina is doing right now.

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Speaker 2: put together the class, but they were able to get

436
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Speaker 2: Sam Howell. That guy is now a dark horse Heisman

437
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: contender on a lot of people's radars, including and not

438
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 2: only do they have Howell, who is a true sophomore

439
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: with already a year starting experience under his belt. They

440
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Speaker 2: got Drake May that they flip from Alabama, So there

441
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: is no certainty ever in recruiting. But you'll notice now

442
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: they got this kid for at least two more years,

443
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Speaker 2: and then they got Drake May coming in just like

444
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Speaker 2: Clemson was able to do.

445
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Speaker 1: They lock up the quarterback position.

446
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Speaker 2: Now is Sam Howell Deshaun Watson, No, he's not at

447
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: this point, but he could be great in his own right.

448
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Do we know that Drake May is going to be

449
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence?

450
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Speaker 1: Of course we don't. Could be great in his own right.

451
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Speaker 2: And if they have that position squared away for the

452
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Speaker 2: next five to seven years, then all of a sudden,

453
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Speaker 2: you look elsewhere and you look at the general trajectory

454
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Speaker 2: of their overall recruiting. Finished thirtieth couple of years ago.

455
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Speaker 2: Think they finished nineteenth the year after that, and here

456
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Speaker 2: lo and behold. Albeit in April, we look ahead to

457
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and they have actually moved up since

458
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Speaker 2: last week. They're the number three class in the country.

459
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: Now they've got to build more depth. They've got to

460
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: have more talented depth. And I'm not talking about just

461
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Speaker 2: frontline guys, but to compete at the high levels of

462
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: the sport, like mac Brown's talking about, you get to

463
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Speaker 2: have that championship caliber depth. Your twos have to be

464
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 2: able to go eight and four in ACC play. The

465
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: Clemsons could probably do better than that right now. And also,

466
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Speaker 2: I think you got to take another approach from Bidabo

467
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Speaker 2: Swiney's book and don't worry about the conference you're in.

468
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Speaker 2: I was on the Carolina message board earlier today and

469
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Speaker 2: had some really good back and forth with you guys,

470
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Speaker 2: and someone was talking about how I haven't been necessarily

471
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Speaker 2: kind to the ACC, but yet they couldn't really take

472
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Speaker 2: umbrage with it, because pretty much criticism of the ACC

473
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Speaker 2: right now is valid in a lot of ways. If

474
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Speaker 2: you're pumping the ACC in football right now, you're probably

475
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: lying on football right now. Not a lot of good

476
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: to say, but that is both a curse and potentially

477
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Speaker 2: a blessing because you got to open road to the

478
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Speaker 2: number two spot in this conference and then you can

479
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Speaker 2: work on closing that gap.

480
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Speaker 1: But all the while, I wouldn't worry about what conference

481
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Speaker 1: I'm in.

482
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Speaker 2: You create a standard and you hold yourself to a standard,

483
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Speaker 2: and I don't think anything they're doing at Clemson has

484
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Speaker 2: to do with being the best team in the ACC.

485
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Speaker 1: I don't think they even worry about it.

486
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: I think they wake up every morning and know they

487
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Speaker 2: are and they worry about being the best they could

488
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Speaker 2: be at Clemson. Well, that's a model that should be

489
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Speaker 2: duplicated everywhere. That has really nothing to do with Clemson.

490
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: That's just a model for success. And a lot of

491
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Speaker 2: people sold their stock on mac grum when he left Texas.

492
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Speaker 2: A lot of people sold their stock on him, and

493
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Speaker 2: when Carolina hired him.

494
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the.

495
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Speaker 2: First to say that I was punching out articles and

496
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Speaker 2: getting ready to do all kind of podcasts and leading

497
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Speaker 2: this show with the fact that North Carolina hired Mac Brown.

498
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Speaker 2: But you see, as I said earlier on the board

499
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Speaker 2: there with the Carolina fans, a lot of folks laughing

500
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Speaker 2: at Carolina hiring Mac Brown doesn't mean anything to me,

501
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: cause a lot of those folks who are chuckling at

502
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Speaker 2: this are the same folks who were chuckling and maybe

503
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Speaker 2: even outright slapping their knee and laughing at the concept

504
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: of oh, I don't know, Lsu taking a flyer on

505
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: some guy named ed ors Ron. These people are wrong

506
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: all the time. I don't care what they're laughing at.

507
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: What I do care about is Mac Brown and his

508
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: program are showing a whole lot more life than some

509
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: programs led by guys who have been around a lot

510
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: longer than he has in Chapel Hill. That's what I'd

511
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: be excited about. That's what I am excited about with

512
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: Carolina moving right along. You guys have thoroughly enjoyed the

513
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: stories that we've been telling, almost as much as I've

514
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Speaker 2: enjoyed telling them to you. We've been doing something called,

515
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: it's a really creative name, all Access Stories. We had

516
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Speaker 2: a focus group, paid them a lot of money, and

517
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Speaker 2: that's the idea. That's the name that they spit out

518
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: to us, All Access Stories. So I'm gonna tell you

519
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: one tonight. This is not that long ago. Actually I

520
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: had some other ones from earlier.

521
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Speaker 1: But it's a long off season.

522
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Speaker 2: So we've got time to tell all the stories that

523
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Speaker 2: we want to.

524
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll tell you this as well.

525
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, at twenty four to seven Sports, we got

526
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: a vast network of team insiders. We got accounts and

527
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: websites just talked about Carolina from Alabama, Tennessee to Ohio State,

528
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: got a lot of guys that are on the ground,

529
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: a lot of girls who are on the ground doing

530
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: a great job covering teams. The sourcing that these folks

531
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Speaker 2: have is second to none. I can tell you from

532
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: personal experience. The sourcing within the insiders within this network,

533
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't just say it caused their sign of my

534
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: paychecks right now is second to none. I said that

535
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: long before I came to work here. Point being, with

536
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Speaker 2: that sourcing and with that connectivity also comes.

537
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Speaker 1: A lot of really, really good stories.

538
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Speaker 2: So I'm not so sure that we get into July,

539
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Speaker 2: get into June, get into you know, the time of

540
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Speaker 2: year where we can be a little bit looser with

541
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Speaker 2: the formating here. I'm not so sure that I'm not

542
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: going to call some of those guys up and say, Hey,

543
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: you want to grant anonymity to whoever you're talking about?

544
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: Do you want me to modulate your voice? Do you

545
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: want me to pixelate your face? I don't care. But

546
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Speaker 2: some of the stories, you know, I was at our

547
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Speaker 2: publishers conference a few weeks ago, and man, some of

548
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Speaker 2: the stories. You're sitting there listening, and all the while

549
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: you're just saying, could press record or could.

550
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: You come over?

551
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: Rusty Manzel actually came over to the studio the next day.

552
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: We talked about Georgia some, but I mean, if I

553
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: could get some of those stories on air, boy, you.

554
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: Guys would lap that stuff up.

555
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: And hey, by the way, before I forget speaking of

556
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Speaker 2: that publisher's conference. One of our guys, especially that I

557
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: got to know really well that weekend, David Johnson from

558
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: the Old Miss twenty four to seven sports account, is

559
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: not doing well. And a lot of you that follow him,

560
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: maybe either on the Old Miss side or on Facebook,

561
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: you've seen some of the help updates. So not to

562
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: go into too much detail because it's none of my business,

563
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: but a lot of you guys know what's going on.

564
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Speaker 1: Just keep him in your prayers.

565
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: Really, really really good guy, really close to the program

566
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: over there, a staple in the Old Miss community. So

567
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: I was talking about stories and I said, you know what, tonight,

568
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Speaker 2: I'm going to pull one out of the bag that's

569
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: not all that old. So I'm gonnadmit something to you

570
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: right off the top that a lot of folks don't admit.

571
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: But really most people fit this description. We have bias

572
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases, and I had bias last year.

573
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: I was pulling for LA don't care who knows it.

574
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 2: In fact, I broadcast it very early on in the spring. Actually, now,

575
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: let me tell you, I've loved LSU for a long time.

576
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: The administration there, the sports information department, folks, they're always great.

577
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: They've always been phenomenal to us. They respond right away.

578
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Kent Lowe's worked in their athletic department forever.

579
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Speaker 2: One of the first times I ever covered an LSU

580
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: game in Baton Rouge, I went down there without my

581
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: parking pass, which was one hundred percent on me, and

582
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: I let Kent know and probably got an email back

583
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Speaker 2: from him two minutes later. He just sent me to

584
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Speaker 2: his house. He's never met me before. He just sent

585
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Speaker 2: me to his house. He said, go to this address,

586
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Speaker 2: walk around to the back, and on the back porch,

587
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: there'll be a parking pass waiting for you. I could

588
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: have been anyone I watched Road to Perdition last night.

589
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: I could have been one of those guys. You never

590
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: know who I could have been. But they're very, very nice.

591
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: And so here's some backstory. Spring and summer of twenty nineteen,

592
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: leading up to this last football season, I was high

593
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: on LSU. I mean really really high on them. I

594
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: thought that everything that you were hearing about this offensive

595
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: transition and the shift in philosophy, I bought it. I

596
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: had a little cheat sheet of knowledge of information from

597
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: some people close to that program who had previously been

598
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: skeptics of the talk every off season about changing the offense.

599
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: The same ones who used to tell me, don't buy

600
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: this garbage were bathing in the kool aid, and they

601
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: were telling me it's real. This time, it's real. And

602
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: so I made no bones about the fact that if

603
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: it's real, I know the talent they have. I think

604
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: they got a really good quarterback in Joe Burrow. Just

605
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback and the talent had been underutilized and improperly leveraged.

606
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: So I mean, if we're going to do that, then

607
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: what stands between them and competing with Alabama? So I

608
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: vocalized that really early on a lot of people down

609
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: there heard it. And whereas I was in Columbus, Georgia

610
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: and our following was mainly Auburn, Alabama and Georgia folks,

611
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: the LSU fan base just ate up all our content.

612
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: They were our biggest viewership base of any program I'd

613
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: never lived in Louisiana.

614
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: I've not covered sports within a six hundred.

615
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: Mile radius of Baton Rouge, and yet they were really,

616
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Speaker 2: really loyal to us, and so I developed a connection

617
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: with LSU last year, the likes which I probably hadn't

618
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: had before last season, So the LSU fans just flooded

619
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: the channel. We get to Hoover for SEC Media Days,

620
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: all their media guys are talking to me about, how

621
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: you know there's been some buzz down there about your channel.

622
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: I know it's brand new. We were doing Lake Kick

623
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: independently this time last year. I wasn't even with twenty

624
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: four to seven yet, and yet we had generated so

625
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: much traction down there that we get to Hoover for

626
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: SEC media Days and some of their folks had taken notice.

627
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: And then we go into fall camp and the videos

628
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Speaker 2: are just out of this world.

629
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Speaker 1: The traffic's phenomenal.

630
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Speaker 2: And then we go down to Baton Rouge early in

631
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: the season for LSU versus Auburn. This is point one

632
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: of the three points that I want to make that

633
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: I don't think I've talked about publicly a whole lot

634
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: as to why I had such bias towards well in

635
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: favor of I guess La. Last year, we go down there,

636
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: and keep in mind, I've only been doing the show

637
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: a few months and we are in that venue walking

638
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: around pregame. We probably had conservatively two dozen people, very

639
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: conservative number there, probably two dozen fans introduced themselves talk

640
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: about how much they love the show.

641
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: And I had done news for a long time.

642
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: You don't ever get recognized, maybe at high school football games,

643
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: you're not getting recognized at college football games. And all

644
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: of a sudden, down in Louisiana, six hundred miles from

645
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: where I broadcast the show, you got folks recognizing you,

646
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: which was pretty surreal to me, especially for the show

647
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: to be as new as it was. So that was

648
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: early in the year. And then, of course we talked

649
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: about this game.

650
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: The other night. LSU goes on to beat Auburn.

651
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: Close game, but LSU goes on to beat Auburn in

652
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Tuscaloosa a few weeks later. This one was wild. So

653
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: it was a morning where we had to get there

654
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: very early. Presidents in town, Secret Service, we need to

655
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: be in several hours before kickoff. And so it's LSU

656
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: versus Alabama Day. It's It's my circle game every year

657
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: on the SEC calendar, and so I'm in town already.

658
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: You know, I had to go run an errand over at.

659
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: A FedEx office. A couple of folks in the chat

660
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: may know why. But I'm on my way back. We're

661
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: ubering back from the FedEx office there on McFarland Boulevard. Hey, Emily,

662
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: on McFarland Boulevard. We're headed back to Bryanton Any Stadium.

663
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: And my phone just starts blowing up, which is not

664
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: all that atypical on a game day. And I look

665
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: and it's all these folks asking have you seen this?

666
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: Have you seen this? Have you seen this?

667
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: A bunch of Twitter links, and so I open I

668
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: click on the Twitter link. And LSU's video department they

669
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: did as good, if not a better job than the

670
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: football team did last year.

671
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: They owned the space, like.

672
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: Their digital footprint exploded last year because their video department

673
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: was putting out such great next level content and their

674
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: game day hype videos. You guys know, I'm not a

675
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: big hype video guy. I was for this one though,

676
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: because what they did was they took a mashup of

677
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: people in the national media sphere talking about how big

678
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: LSU versus Alabama was and there were guys from ESPN

679
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: on there, there were guys from CBS Sports on there,

680
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: there would be guys.

681
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: From all the national outfits.

682
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: And right there, parked in the middle of that montage

683
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: of otherwise national media outfits were clips from our little

684
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: independent show being broadcast out of a new studio down

685
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: in Columbus, Georgia. Never met the guys, never spoken to

686
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: them about it. They just put us in there, which

687
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: was part two of letting me know how much traction

688
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: we had generated in Louisiana, and with LSU folks, not

689
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: to mention, our inbox had been flooded pretty much every

690
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: week from LSU folks, and I could see the traffic

691
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: and so that was awesome. So I was on cloud

692
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: nine long before we went into the stadium. We witnessed

693
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: LSU win that game. I go into Orgeron's postgame press

694
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: conference and I'm standing there. It's a road locker room.

695
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, the walls are very thin, it's a very

696
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: small space. And the videos that eventually got leaked out

697
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: of Ed Orgeron acting like an animal essentially inside the

698
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: I say that in the most complementary of ways. Inside

699
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: the LSU locker room, I could hear it long before

700
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: the video came out.

701
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: I was kind of leaned on the wall.

702
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: I could hear every word, well, I could hear every sound.

703
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: Some of the words could quite make out. And that

704
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: goes up into it, including when.

705
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I saw the video.

706
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: But I could hear it. It was the same scene

707
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: when they beat Uburn the year before. He didn't hold

708
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: back in the locker room, nor should he. You win

709
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: the game, you earn the right, that's fine. And so

710
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: then a couple of months down the road, we go

711
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: to New Orleans for the National Championship Game and we're

712
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: standing there in the freight tunnel and entrance where the

713
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: buses arrive at the Superdome, and I'm standing there with

714
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of folks and Vince Vaughn comes in. Vince

715
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: von he's around LSU a lot. So the video you're

716
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: watching right now, if you're watching YouTube, go down that

717
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: tunnel little ways, and that's where the teams actually come

718
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: in off their buses. So Vince Vaughn, there were a

719
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: lot of celebrities there that night.

720
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: He was one of them. And so we're standing there.

721
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn walks in and he stands a couple of

722
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: feet to my right, and he's gonna wait for LSU's

723
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: team to show up. And so a lot of folks

724
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: obviously recognize Vince Vaughan and they're asking for pictures and

725
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: autographs and everything, and so I'm not paying attention. In

726
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: my peripheral left, someone walks up and I hear, oh, man.

727
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: Bro, can I get a picture with you? Can I

728
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: get a picture with you?

729
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: And so I figure another Vince Vaughn fan here. I

730
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: mean I was having to hold back from asking to

731
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: take a picture myself. But to this day, I've never

732
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: asked a grown man for an autograph, for a picture,

733
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: so that streak is still alive. And then the guy

734
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: asks again, and I look over because one of my

735
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: buddies is nudging me in the ribs and he's not

736
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: asking for Vince Vaughn's picture, He's asking for my picture.

737
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Who was this, Well, it was Cliff Krumes. A lot

738
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: of you guys in LSU will know that name is

739
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: the assistant band director I believe down there, and he

740
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: couldn't care less about Vince Vaughn. He's asking to take

741
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: a picture with me. Half my family does not want

742
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: to take a picture with me. So I want to

743
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: talk to him because I got a lot of questions

744
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: about which songs they are and aren't allowed to play.

745
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: Think you know what I'm talking about if I haven't

746
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: been unclear, And he's talking about how all of the

747
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: man we love watching the show, We've loved the content

748
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: all year. And I am again pregame before kickoff. It

749
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: has even happened. We're two hours away from kickoff already

750
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: on Cloud nine. Second LSU game really the third LSU

751
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: game in that season where my day was made before

752
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: the game even started. So if you want to know

753
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: why I tend to show a little favoritism towards LSU,

754
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: and if you want to know why you sense a

755
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: little Purple and Gold bias, I'm not hiding it from you.

756
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: It's there.

757
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: LSU was really good for us, they were really good

758
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: to us last year, and so I'm in no hurry

759
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: to see them fall off any cliff.

760
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: But those are just three stories.

761
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't think I've told any of them really on

762
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 2: air here or at our previous stop. I just wanted

763
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: to share those tonight because it was a really really

764
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 2: special year. It was a special year for LSU last year,

765
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: But covering them it was really special for totally different reasons.

766
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: For us, that was, Man, what a ride that was.

767
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: That was an incredible night in New Orleans, and it

768
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: was an incredible season for LSU. All Right, I told

769
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: you that I was going to do some Q and

770
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: A to close the show, and I'm gonna do Q

771
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: and A.

772
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: Uh.

773
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: Now, there was a lot of debate really in my

774
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: own head in the control room here with Colin before

775
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: the show went on the air, because I, as I

776
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: tell you many times, I'm from Central Georgia. So I

777
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: think a person by the name of Jean Simon Carrier

778
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: has asked us a question. But I'm telling you where

779
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm from. This name is pronounced Gene Simon Carrier. So

780
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: JSC asks, do you see any SEC coaches out there

781
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: that are great recruiters but not great exes? And O, guys,

782
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: I am not going to question the concept that relatively speaking,

783
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: there are probably some head coaches in this conference that

784
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: recruit well that may not be quite on par with

785
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: some of their peers when it comes to either end

786
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: game strategicy or concept or philosophy or outright play calling

787
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: and play design. Here's what I'm going to tell you,

788
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of you are on a higher level

789
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: intellectually than me. That's not out of the realm possibility.

790
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm not qualified to differentiate that watching either standing on

791
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: a sideline or watching on a TV on Saturday. Because

792
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: here's what I'm pretty confident in now. I'm not saying

793
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: that this person is suggesting this. A lot of people

794
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: say this about Kirby Smart. A lot of people say,

795
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart's a great recruiter.

796
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: X's knows he's average. How do you know? And here's

797
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: my question.

798
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: If I were to convince Kirby, Kirby, let's get a

799
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: charity event together wherein you sit down face to face

800
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: with any fan who questions your exes and o acumen,

801
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: and you guys just do a little chalk talk session.

802
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: That guy, in ten seconds would make your head spin.

803
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: That guy would make your head spin. Talking about actual football,

804
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: actual defensive calls and checks and the difference between all

805
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: the concepts that they implement.

806
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: He would make your head spin.

807
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: I ask this, could you tell the difference on TV

808
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: between a poorly executed play and a poorly called play?

809
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: The question play calling crowd.

810
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: They're on social media in abundance every Saturday after a

811
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: game ends, folks talking about play calling play calling. I'm

812
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: not here to tell you that coaches never make bad

813
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: play calls. I'm telling you I would bet a lot

814
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: of money if you were some of the folks that

815
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: I listened to and sit there in silence. You have

816
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: no clue what goes into a play call in a

817
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: football game.

818
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: You have no clue. I don't either. I don't.

819
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm telling but I'm telling you I don't. A lot

820
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 2: of you can't cross that bridge. And so instead of saying, hey,

821
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: we got we got players poorly executing plays, we got

822
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: coaches calling bad plays. What was the play call? For

823
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: the questions play calling crowd, what was the play call?

824
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: What should it have been?

825
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: What was it? Do you have any idea how many

826
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: checks there are? Do you have any idea how many

827
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: tears there are to a play call? Do you understand

828
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: just from a blocking alone offensively blocking standpoint, to understand

829
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: what it takes to design a play and how many

830
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 2: different parts have to move in unison for a play

831
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: to be executed correctly. Even if it's perfectly drawn up,

832
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: you can spot the difference between a right guard who

833
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: doesn't pull at the right angle versus a coach who

834
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: called the wrong play.

835
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: You can do that. I can't do that.

836
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: Soa Bucks over Jordan Hare Stadium was not in your

837
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: top five in your discussion a favorite SEC stadiums the

838
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: other night, Why is that? Yeah, this is Brayden Boutwell.

839
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: He has actually asked a lot of good questions. I'm

840
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: gonna hit another one from him in a second. I

841
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: didn't mention Jordan Hare.

842
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I mentioned him.

843
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: I didn't put them in the top five. I didn't

844
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: put Nieland in the top five, and I didn't put.

845
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: The Swamp in the top five.

846
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: And we were talking, for those of you who missed

847
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: the show about our favorite my favorite SEC stadiums to

848
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: cover games in.

849
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: That's the optimum word cover.

850
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: I w wasn't talking about game day atmosphere, because see

851
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: I put Williams Brice Stadium as my number five. I've

852
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: covered games at all these stadiums. But I was talking

853
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: about the experience I have if I were sitting in

854
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: the stands like I was at the Auburn at Florida

855
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: game last year. That was as electric an atmosphere as

856
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: I experienced all year last year. So if we're talking

857
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: game day atmosphere and game day atmosphere alone in stadium atmosphere. No,

858
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm not keeping Jorden Here Stadium out of my top five.

859
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm not keeping Florida out of my top five. And

860
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: when Tennessee's good, I'm not keeping Kneeling out of my

861
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: top five. There were other factors in play.

862
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: So I'm not alone here.

863
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: If you talk to some of the folks who have

864
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: covered games at Auburn, there are some upgrades they would

865
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: like to see be made.

866
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: But I love the folks at Auburn, so it's not

867
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: their job.

868
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: It's not like it's their eight figure check to write,

869
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: nor is it mine. So my top five was my

870
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Speaker 2: top five. Brayden also asked, now make sense of this

871
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Speaker 2: one for me. We're going Kirby again. Does Kirby Smart

872
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: have to make the college football Playoff in twenty twenty?

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Speaker 1: No, nope.

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Speaker 2: Is there anyone out there who's saying yes? And if

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Speaker 2: there is someone out there who's saying yeah, Kirby Smart

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Speaker 2: has to make the college football Playoff in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: What if he.

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00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: Doesn't, you're firing him? What if are you even heavily criticized?

879
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: What if he doesn't make the playoff in twenty twenty.

880
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure that one out. Moving on

881
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: college football media, who is very active on our channel, asks,

882
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: can you comment on what Mark Mangino was able to

883
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: accomplish at Kansas? What does it mean possibly for less

884
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: Miles Colin and I were actually talking about this, ironically

885
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: enough before the show the two thousand and seven season.

886
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: I believe it was where you had, I mean, West

887
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: Virginia and Missouri almost played for national championship. Just to

888
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: give you an idea of what kind of season that was.

889
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: I think South Florida Jim Levitt had South Florida ranked

890
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Speaker 2: Kansas under Mark Mangino.

891
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Todd Reesing was the quarterback there at the time.

892
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Speaker 2: They were up in the top ten, up in the

893
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Speaker 2: top five, I believe at one point, which shows you,

894
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: of course, it could be done there. You know, factors

895
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Speaker 2: have changed, the dynamics of the sport have changed. I

896
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Speaker 2: believe that Kansas is just as capable of getting to

897
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Speaker 2: an eight or nine win level as you know. Iowa

898
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Speaker 2: State has acomplished it. Why couldn't Kansas accomplish it?

899
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Speaker 1: Now?

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00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: There are several reasons They've been horrible in football for

901
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: a long, long time. But the question here is not

902
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: are they equipped now to do it? It's like, could

903
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: less Miles possibly accomplish something similar?

904
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Speaker 1: Sure he could. It would be great for marketing.

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00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: I think Miles has already done a pretty good job

906
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: of marketing the program. I mean, how many times if

907
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: you're watching I'm normally on the road on a Saturday,

908
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: but if you're at home and you turn on game day,

909
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: how many times can you justify mentioning Kansas football right now?

910
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: If not to justify it by saying, well, we're going

911
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: to talk about it in the context of what less

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: Miles has been doing with the program. And that's what

913
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Speaker 2: you have to do to make the needle move until

914
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Speaker 2: you start winning games. That's how you have to get

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: your program on the radar. I think Miles has done

916
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: a good job of that so far. Now the question

917
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: becomes can they win games? And your guest is as

918
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: good as mine, can they win enough games to matter?

919
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Four G asks? FSU, They're going to have success in

920
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Success for Florida State this year would be

921
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Speaker 2: a top seven recruiting class. They landed two quarterbacks of

922
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Speaker 2: this last cycle. I think it is for me now

923
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying for Florida State fans. For me, in

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Speaker 2: regard to Florida State, this is a throwaway year. They

925
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: could go six and seven, they could go nine to three.

926
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Speaker 2: It's not gonna make much difference to me other than

927
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Speaker 2: the bowl game you go to, or if you go

928
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Speaker 2: to a bowl game with nine and three versus six

929
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Speaker 2: and seven. I care about your recruiting class because there

930
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: is a significant override that has to happen in your

931
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: program culturally and roster wise. You know that as well

932
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: as I do. That's what I care about. Success for

933
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Florida State would be seeing incredinal Are you better at

934
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Speaker 2: the end of the year than you were at the beginning,

935
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Speaker 2: and are you putting together a really, really good recruiting class.

936
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Speaker 2: Because if Mike Norvel's staff is recruiting at a high

937
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: level after their first full recruiting cycle, I got a

938
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Speaker 2: lot more confidence in them moving forward college football, Jared

939
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Speaker 2: asks why is there still doubt in Mac Jones and

940
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: his ability to be an elite quarterback? I think probably

941
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: the answer is the sample size is not big enough.

942
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: There there's also this paralysis by talent sort of narrative

943
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: that a lot of people throw out where if you

944
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: play with a lot of really good receivers and really

945
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: good offensive linemen and really good running backs, they have

946
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: a hard time calling you elite.

947
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why, nor would I care.

948
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Speaker 2: I'd much rather play with great talent and have you

949
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Speaker 2: question my ability than me be elite and go seven

950
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: to five every year and get crucified on Saturday. But

951
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: the thing with mac Jones is going to be he's

952
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: going to be compared to the last guy who was there,

953
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: who was pretty good.

954
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: His name was Tongaailoa.

955
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: He's going to the league now, and he's also going

956
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: to have Bryce Young's name breathing down his neck, even

957
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: if Bryce Young isn't breathing down his neck literally. And

958
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm a believer in Bryce Young, by the way, but

959
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: I just think a lot of well, there's a third

960
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: compartment of people here too, who just want to see

961
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: Alabama lose. And so it's not so much that if

962
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: their money was on the line they would.

963
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: Predict Mac Jones to fail.

964
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Speaker 2: But as long as they're just running their mouth with

965
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Speaker 2: no financial consequence and nothing's on the line for them,

966
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: they're happy to say he's gonna fail because they hope

967
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: he fails. I mean, that's the same way it works

968
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: in the NFL with the Patriots all the time. A

969
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: lot of folks hate him, so they predict him to lose.

970
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: But if I were to tell him how much money

971
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: you got in your wallet, all of a sudden, they

972
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: become a lot more sheepish and hesitant, just like I

973
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: think if there were some paychecks on the line, a

974
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: lot more people would probably back.

975
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Speaker 1: Away from that.

976
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: You know, Mac Jones is a nine and three kind

977
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Speaker 2: of quarterback. I think Mac Jones is a really good quarterback.

978
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: I'll give you a comparison someone on the Alabama staff

979
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: gave me. They think he's better than AJ mcciern. They

980
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: don't think he's better than to a Tongue of Iloa.

981
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: They think he's a better talent and a better quarterback

982
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: than AJ mccerren, who, until Tongue of Iloa arrived, you

983
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: could argue had been the best quarterback in the Nick

984
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: saban era.

985
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: You could argue that.

986
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: So, I mean, if you're giving me that, with all

987
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: the talent they have and the offensive skill, I would

988
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: be probably pretty comfortable going to a battle with him

989
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: on Saturday.

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