WEBVTT - Rachel Bloom 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.440 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.120 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.960 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 the Craig Ferguson Show dot Com slash tour. They're available 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 at the Craig Ferguson show dot Com slash tour or 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.080 at your local outlet in your region. My name is 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.879 Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.600 talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:01.240 on the podcast today, for my money, the most interesting 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.679 and different and talented American performers to emerge in the 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:13.320 last twenty years. She's really thoughtful, clever, interesting, talented. Well 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.959 you're going to find all of this out. It's Rachel Bloom. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.040 May I compliment you first of all on your backcrack, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:32.119 which is amazing, and also the fact that you are 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.080 dealing with a young child right now and you look 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.520 fresh and young and upbeat and lovely, and I'm jealous. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.440 Well, I've slapped on some makeup just before I came 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.199 on here, so and I had a glass of wine 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.680 last night, which to me is six glasses of wine 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.080 because I have no tolerance, so that means a lot 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.480 that I look fresh now. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.280 You look great, and listen, I know what it's like 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:01.520 to have a little kid. It's myke every time I 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.920 see people and I'm in a hotel right now. When 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.560 I see people in hotels with little kids, I always say, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.160 you get is anybody getting any sleep? And everybody I 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.359 was like, no. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:16.240 It's all encompassing. She wasn't asleepover last night. So it 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.040 was nice to go out and come home and to 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.720 be like, oh my god, there's no one. I don't 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.160 have to care for anyone in this house. I mean, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.520 that sounds very mean because I still have a husband 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:27.959 and a dog. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:28.840 But to. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:36.320 Not be responsible for someone's life for one night because 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.760 even when you're off the clock, you're on the clock. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.079 I was going to say, you probably woke up panicked 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:41.800 in the middle of the night. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.240 It was weird. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.120 Yeah, I know, I know. I've done it myself. Hey, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.800 here's what I have to tell you. I'm a little angry. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.000 I'm a little angry at you. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.720 Oh okay, okay, I'll take it. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.760 Because because I'm watching death, let me do my spash. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.240 And you shouldn't make people cry and be scared in 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:06.280 stand up comedy. That's I was scared. I had no idea. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.560 Like when the death thing stopped, I'm like, this is 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.320 fucking with me. Man, I don't like, did the audience 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:13.519 know that was going to happen? 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.919 No, no, it really. It really fucked with people. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.120 When the show, when we started trying it out, it 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.520 was called like Rachel try some new stuff out and 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:23.280 sees what happened. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.920 So people really had no idea. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.360 And then, of course, you know the country we live in, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.600 we kept cutting down the time that we revealed it 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.440 was a plant so that people wouldn't be worried for 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.400 their lives because the. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.960 Second someone say I'm death, you're like, well. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:45.360 What so that was everything Like yeah, so that was 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.200 also like, Okay, the second we're going to hear him heckel, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.600 but the second he says I'm deaf, let's get him 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.480 on Mike, so you know something's up. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.880 So that was something we worked on. But yeah, no, 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.640 it fucked with people. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.040 And then when we called the show death, let Me 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:03.200 do My people still thought it was real, but they 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.880 knew something would be off about the show, but they 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.880 thought it was They thought it was real, and then 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.760 they grew to not trust anything in the show to 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.760 the point where I had actual weird things happened in 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.640 the show and a couple of actual hecklers. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:15.960 People assumed it was built in. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.240 That's kind of great, though, isn't that. I mean, even 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.320 I first became aware of your work with crazy ex 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:28.520 girlfriend like most people, I think, and I always thought, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.640 like I remember first the first episode of that show, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.719 going the fuck is happening? Why? And then it took 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.279 me on and I love that. It reminded me of 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:43.320 you ever seen the movie Train Spoton? No, all right, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.160 well you should see it. You really like it. It's about 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.200 It's an upbeat tale of heroin addiction in Edinburgh in 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:51.320 the nineteen nineties. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.840 Yeah, what I saw it a long time ago. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.240 Yes, there's a scene in that movie where you and 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.760 McGregor as a drug addict drops. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:06.640 A a vial of heroin, a kind of anal heroine and 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.279 put thing down a public bathroom and it's disgusting, but 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.600 he knows the only way he can get the heroin. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.120 Is put his hand into the horrible toilet to get 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.000 the heroin. And then when he goes into the toilet, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.560 he goes all the way into the toilet and he's 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.880 swimming in this beautiful ocean in this toilet, and they 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.360 play Brian ENO's Deep Blue Sea and and it's so beautiful. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.000 And when I saw crazy ex Girlfriend, I thought, whatever 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:42.080 mcguffin in the head of Irvin Welsh that created that story. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.599 You have that too, You know that that? 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:45.839 Oh well, thank you? 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.320 And I didn't and I didn't even need heroin. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.720 Well, what I'm saying to you is maybe it's time, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.039 as your daughter gets a little older, maybe you start 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.200 thinking about heroin, especially when she's on a sleepover. That 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.800 would be that would be the time. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:00.680 That's the one. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:01.800 That's the thing. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.800 But it's an interesting thing because I was very taken 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.640 with the special. I I don't know. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.159 That means a lot that I really obviously love you 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:12.800 and respect you. That that means a lot to me. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.160 Oh my god, no, it was. It's fantastic anyone who 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.400 fucks with a genre that is tired anyway, and stand 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.720 up comedy, there's too many people doing it. It's like 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.920 it's everybody's playing CF and G on the guitar. It's 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.200 it's like, it's stop it, stop it, stop it. And 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.320 then somebody comes along and throws in a huge minor 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.440 chord and a five eight drum thing, and suddenly the 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.359 whole world opens up again, and I'm now enthusiastic again 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.000 about stand up comedy. And you have no idea how 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.080 jaded I am that suddenly you see somebody doing it, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.120 you go, fuck, there's more room again. There's somebody's breaking 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.279 it again. It's great. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.240 Oh well that really means a lot to me. Thank you. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.919 Well, it's the truth. And why was you paid a 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.880 high price for it? Though? Like, yeah, when you talk 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.560 about the death of Adam and the show, that to 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:14.440 me is it's such a weird, a weird twist on 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.160 the I don't mean, is it stand up comedy? Is 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:17.760 that what it is? 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.040 It's like stand up. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:25.240 I always say it's it's a stand up show wrapped 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.520 in a storytelling show wrapped in a one act play 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.120 kind of. So it's kind of kind of veers more 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.560 into storytelling as it get, especially when I get into 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.800 just like, all right, my character is talking about this 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.560 for the first time, right, so it's like, okay, let's 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:44.320 just go day by day what happened. And then you're 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.280 in real storytelling where it's like, all right, I'll just 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.160 tell you about this terrible week where I gave birth, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.000 my friend died, and so like that's where it gets 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.040 like it gets very storytelling in that granularness. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:03.160 It's also it's a very kind of horrible, uh convenient 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.800 for story thing to event. I mean, it's a cataclysmic 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.880 kind of because I've been you know, I've had friends 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.119 that I obviously everyone hasn't, and I've been at two 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:18.920 live births, both of my children. My god, they're so weird. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.040 They're so weird. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.600 It's like that weird kind of energy, like somebody's coming. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.400 It's definitely and it's bloody, and it's there's nothing else 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.040 in life that's a central life event where it's also 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:38.680 going to be gory. Yeah, unless you have really good 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:44.520 birthday parties, I guess, but it's like gruesomeness is part 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:45.520 of it. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.960 And so you're already in this. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:55.440 Very fleshy, bloody place that feels very primal. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.240 And there's poop too. Let's be honest, there's poop. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:08:58.960 You know what. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.600 I'm astounded with me there wasn't. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:05.400 Poop, but oh stop, stop, you're amongst friends. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.480 Of course, there was no one told me the nice 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.480 to you, but maybe I would have been fine if 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.640 there were. But you know, there's everything I mean, And 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.079 there was a my husband was trying not to look, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.240 but there was a mirror on the other side of 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.600 the room where you could see everything. And I didn't 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.760 really see the birth because everyone was blocking it. But 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.719 after she was born and they took her to the 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.760 NICU and the placenta was still in, I caught a 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:43.760 glimpse of open wound placenta umbilical court. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:49.080 It was its unbelievable. Isn't that crazy? And everything I mean, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:55.199 clearly for a mother is physically astonishing for you know, change, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.959 But everything in my life changed, everything that my entire 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.880 perspective the world changed when I became a father, and 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.560 I you know, and I hear people say, oh, you know, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.880 like not having kids, and I'm like, funne, that's your choice. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:14.280 It's it's okay. But I always say, you know that 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.760 all the great philosophers in history, none of them had children. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 That's actually no, it's not true. But I say it 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.600 to people because I want to shame them. But it really, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.120 what I think it is is everything you know that 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.640 people say that. There's lazy assumptions that I think people 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.199 I made before I had kids. One of them was, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.160 you know, people say that thing, well, we were born 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.000 alone and we die alone. And I've been at two 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.160 live births, and as far as I can tell, nobody 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.640 is born alone. There's at least two people in the room. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:56.400 There's nobody's born alone. It's utter bullshit. And I I 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.800 just everything about my perspective in life started to change 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:05.800 law after my first son was born. It is weird? 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.560 Is that? What's happening to you? 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:08.560 One hundred percent? 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.320 I mean I say a little in the special where 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.040 you know, ever since I given birth, a story of 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.880 a child being hurt anywhere messes with me. I got 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.840 into it a little bit basically, yeah, like it kind 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.560 of makes sense. I know, it's not technically true that 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.679 like philosophers, all the great philosophers didn't have kids, because 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.160 before you have kids, there is an impartiality that you 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.520 can have on the world. There's a moral impartiality that 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.960 you can have. There's this scene in the HBO show 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.560 The Last of Us. Did you watch it? 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.240 I did? I loved that show. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.440 So remember when it's like someone basically turns in the 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.160 head of this rebel alliance in exchange for cancer medication 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.040 for his brother, and he's like, I wanted to prevent 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.920 a child from dying. And Melanie Lynsky's character goes, children die, 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.000 children die literally all the time, this wasn't worth it. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.319 And before you have a kid, you can say that, right, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.920 there's a there's a certain amount you can zoom out 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.400 from the world and look at history and say, yeah, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.559 well life is gruesome. Life is horrible. And I had 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:15.240 such a strong stomach for I don't true crime. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.440 For I went to the Museum of Death, and I. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.240 Was the Museum of Death in la where it's the 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.880 most gruesome crime scene photo and it's just you're You're like, yeah, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:25.640 that is what it is. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.400 And then I had a kid and it just blew 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:30.800 that wide open. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:35.880 There's no, there's no, it's it's so much harder to 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.680 be impartial because you would do anything for this kid, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.840 and you would would Would I turn in the founder 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.400 of a rebel alliance to get my child cancer treatment? 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:47.760 Fuck? 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:53.440 Yeah, in an absolute second. So you're led by your 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.839 heart and emotion. And now the media that I can 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.120 consume has come completely not completely, but it's really really 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.280 done in almost one eighty where that's much. I'm just 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.840 so much more sensitive and empathetic, but like in a 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.520 in a painful way. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.280 Yeah, I mean I can't watch I used to watch 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:24.800 British detective shows about you know, Crumbly Detectives, and they 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.079 have this thing going on with the Brittige a Law 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.880 of Bridge detective shows that's the murder of a child. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.079 And I was like, I can't do it. I'm no, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.600 I'm no. Or a child is even missing, maybe the 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.200 child's going to be okay, but you don't know, but 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.240 the child missing, that's enough. I don't want to see it. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.080 And it is a it is an odd thing, and 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:47.040 it's not because it's not because I don't know what happens. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.800 I was able to consume that media before you, like 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.240 you say, but it's because I can't stand it. It's 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.679 no entertainment, it's not it doesn't. All it does is 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.640 make me feel awful all the time. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.120 Yeah, it's that's what. It's not even And it's not 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.240 even making me think in the way that dark that 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.520 darker shit used to make me like okay, this is dark, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.840 but like, okay, it's teaching me a lesson. I'm so 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.679 consumed by the emotion. I'm like, I'm not learning a 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.079 lesson from this right now. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.920 Yeah, it's funny that as well. I think even when 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.680 I when I have dark thoughts about my own mortality, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.960 and I thought, well, par no die now, because I 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:30.200 would really upsett the kids. It's like, I'll be fine, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:31.720 but whatever happens to me happens to me. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.240 But I would be Oh, you start to have this 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.360 narrative of like, oh, yes, sometimes when I get on 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.040 a plane alone and I'm like, oh, this is the 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.200 movie in my daughter's life where it's the last time 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:45.200 she saw her mom. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.600 Oh I do right, because they do that in. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.480 So many where it's like, oh, this is the last 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.360 time and this is the story she's going to tell 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.200 herself now where it's like, goodbye, I'm going to Vegas. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.360 And then it's like and I never saw her again. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.400 So you're telling me you left your daughter to go 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.120 to Vegas. What Vega? 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.040 I did go to Vegas alone a couple of weeks ago. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.360 That is true, Navy. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:08.600 I did. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.480 There was a skeptic There was a convention of skeptics, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.760 and my friend was speaking at it, and I and 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.320 I went for literally a night. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.200 First of all, I have to take you back because 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.280 I need to know what happens at a convention of 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.400 skeptics and why they would meet in Las Vegas to gamble. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.440 That seems like a contradiction. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.320 Okay, So the Vegas, as far as I can tell, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.440 Vegas is just where you meet because they have good 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.360 convention centers and it's well, it's not even somewhat central. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:40.360 It's still West Coast. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:41.400 I don't know. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.200 But it was a convention for the Center for Inquiry, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.400 held at the Horseshoe, Las Vegas, and it was just 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:48.720 a bunch of panels. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.360 And speeches about science. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.640 And skepticism and I'm I'm really really into this and 0:15:54.720 --> 0:16:00.120 I'm I'm a I'm a big old skeptical atheist. And 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.560 it was like absolutely, my jam and my friend Rena 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.760 was there speaking about she's really really good. She's actually 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.360 a book called The Gospel of Wellness that's awesome about 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.360 the pseudoscience of the wellness industry and why we and 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.200 why we turned to pseudoscience and why even now with 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.560 all the information on the Internet, people are still so 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.280 mired in false truths. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.360 And also, yeah, have you ever read The Demon Haunted World? Yes? 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.960 I have. It's fantastic because it's it's unbelievable. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.440 Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World for those who haven't 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:37.880 read it. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.040 And I still think about I still think about the 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.400 thing he says, which is, you know when people talk 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.480 about and this is more about paranormal phenomena. But he's like, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.120 all right, so imagine your. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:51.320 You're in a house. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.200 You're looking at a glass sliding door, and there's a 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.160 fireplace behind you. During the day, you would see the backyard. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.400 During the day, the sun starts to set. Suddenly what 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.440 you see is the reflection in the glass of the 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.720 fireplace behind you. But you've been looking out the window 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.399 all day, so it just looks like suddenly there's a 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.520 fire outside. And he compares that to the ways our 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.600 brain tricks us into thinking we might be seeing things 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.120 that aren't there and hearing things that aren't there. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.600 I still use that as an example. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.159 There's a quote that he does at the start of 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.880 the book which I think is fantastic. He's talking about 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.480 a taxi driver that he gets who's asking him about, so, 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.400 where is Atlantis? You're Carl Sagan, where's Atlantis? And he's like, dude, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.840 I don't know what you're talking about, you know, the 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.760 city under the sea. And he's like, I'm you know. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.320 But he then he goes into a quote from Leon Trotsky, who, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.840 to be honest, not my favorite guy in the world. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.280 But Leon Trotsky is talking about the rise of the 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:59.919 Nazis in Germany, and he's talking about you know, I'm 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.440 paraphrasing it until the end, I only remember them. But 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.480 the paraphrase in that Trotsky says, you know, they have 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.879 pilots who wear amulets to give them good luck while 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:15.679 they have, you know, while they pilot these magnificent machines 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.399 of engineering. And he talks about all these different people 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.320 who do superstitious things while doing very scientifically advanced things. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.320 And then this is the thing that he zeros In 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.720 to make it about the rise of the Nazis. He 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.680 says this quote, which I still find chilling. He says 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:39.320 about human beings, what remarkable reserves they possess of darkness, ignorance, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.840 and savagery. And I was like, whoa, And I feel 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:52.080 like that's accurate. Even now, we have remarkable amounts of darkness, ignorance, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.800 and savage y. People are very on fire right now. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.919 Oh it's all I mean to put it bluntly, to 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.280 make me sound like I'm ninety. We weren't ready for 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.440 the Internet. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.080 Anyone's I'm not ready for it. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.080 Not I'm not ready because it's takes advantage of tribalism, 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.399 which is which is in us. Like, I think I 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.320 might be wrong, but I feel like I read somewhere 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.320 the reason Homo sapiens is the dominant, you know, the 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.560 only dominant kind of species of our kind, is because 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.240 we just killed everyone else because it was you know, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.480 the Neanderthals were wiped out, we. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.280 Killed I think that I also heard that same study, 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.640 though I also heard that we actually just shagged the 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:36.040 Neanderthals and we're all like their genes stopped coming through 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.360 and everybody got their sex on and the humans came 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.040 through more. You almost sapiens came through more than Neanderthals. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.840 But I might have just been looking at completely erroneous 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.160 report or amazing. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.600 Maybe it's a beautiful mix. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.440 I think it might be a little bit of both, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.680 a little call them be. But let me take you 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.000 back to Las Vegas, because it's to to me because 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.960 I don't think I know enough about skeptics modern skepticism, 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:04.800 and I would like you to take me through it. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.439 Well. I think it's still finding of what is it 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.560 general generationally now because I would say it was overwhelmingly 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.760 a lot of people who are Gen X or boomers, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:21.879 And there's a lot of skepticism that's still about UFO 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:27.000 paranormal debunking because because it's very much in it's very 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.639 much in conversation with with like New Age stuff that 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.159 came about in like the sixties the seventies, right, So 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.199 UFOs are less of a thing now, But if you 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.200 were born in the fifties, you know Roswell like, there's 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.919 so there's so much about that aspect of the paranormal 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.240 that that they're still debunking, which is which is very interesting. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.080 But I think what was really cool about this is 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.520 My friend Rena and some other people spoke more about 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:03.600 taking a skeptic lens into health trend and into There 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.719 was this really really interesting speech I forget who it was, 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:13.040 of this journalist comparing Gwyneth Paltrow Goop culture of that 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.840 kind of pseudoscience like put this jade egg up up 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:16.960 your vagina to. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:20.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.800 So there's a lot of parallel with that with what's 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.159 going on with now the Manisphere. I don't know if 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.640 you've heard about the manisphere, which is like it's it's 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.719 like I feel like Joe Rogans like kind of a 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.479 part of this whe where it's just like all of 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:38.040 these things you can do to make yourself as manly 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:38.520 as you can. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.200 Like people are drinking their piss. 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:42.400 Uh. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.480 There's this one guy who's like people are fully drink 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.399 people are fully drinking their own fermented piss because they're like, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.399 this will make you man this will make you like manly, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.119 and it's also why people are It kind of goes 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.359 into people are chewing really tough gum to get a 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.720 chiseled jaw, Like that's a big thing now to like 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.280