WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Sen. Chris Murphy 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.760 today's best minds. And according to analysts g Elliott Morris, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.720 Trump's net approval among people age eighteen to twenty nine 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:21.680 has declined thirty five percentage points since November twenty twenty four. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.959 We have such a great show for you today. The 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.639 Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Stephen 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:32.680 Miller's continued efforts to cast Democrats as terrorists. Then we'll 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.760 talk to Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy about how Democrats can 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:38.960 fight back against the Trump administration. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.280 But first the news Somali. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.160 We know that Democrats always have an uphill battle when 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.239 messaging because of the media environment these days. But it 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.479 seems that Trump is facing more shut down blame. But 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.360 it still seems way too close to me. In these 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.240 polls about who gets blamed for. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.360 This, most Americans disapprove of how Republicans and Trump are 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.720 handling the shn Thirty nine percentage of percent of Americans 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.240 blamed Trump and Republicans for the for the shutdown. That's 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.240 versus thirty percent, So that's actually it was a little 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.080 bit better for Democrats when it started, half of Americans 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.280 disapprove of how Trump is handling the shutdown. Here's a 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.399 big problem for Republicans about this is like healthcare is 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.800 an eighty twenty issue. Okay, So the majority of Democrats, Independents, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:31.800 and Republicans sport extending those enhanced tax credits that Democrats 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.840 demand being included in the government funding. So that's an 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.319 eighty twenty issue, right, ninety percent of Democrats, eighty percent 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.199 of Republicans, eighty percent of Independence, sixty percent of Republicans. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.880 So there it is. People want those enhanced tax credits. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.760 They don't want to lose their health insurance again, even 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.280 if you I think that that is sort of the 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.040 most important aspect of this. Now, it's worth remembering there 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:04.560 are Republicans. There were, like not insignificant number of Republicans 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.200 have had quite a few in office who want this too, 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:13.000 because they know that this will be a major inflationary 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.600 pressure that will hurt voters before the midterms, that will 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.120 maybe make them lose their seats. You have tariffs and 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.280 then you have health insurance going up. You know, there's 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.480 only so much inflation that the American people can take right, like, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.959 you know, your groceries are more expensive, your health insurance 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.720 is more expensive. You elected the guy because he said 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.040 he was going to make stuff less expensive. So I 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.200 don't know, you know, I do think I think that 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.680 extending these Obamacare subsidies is just good business. But it 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.240 is interesting that both parties are getting a blame. In 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.920 earlier polls, we saw that it was more Republicans getting 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.600 the blame than Democrats. Usually the party in power gets 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.720 blamed for the shutdown. It doesn't matter if start up 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.200 the government this week. If this goes on for thirty 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:08.720 five days and you have federal employees eating at food banks, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.160 that's going to be very different kind of thing. So 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.359 we have to see sort of what this shutdown ends 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.080 up looking like. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.520 So another thing we have to see what it looks 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.080 like is Gavin Newsom is going to sue the Trump 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.560 administration for sending California National Guard to Oregon. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.519 So in this episode of Fast Politics, you're going to 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.240 hear my interview with Chris Murphy and what And I 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.080 think Chris Murphy is really smart and one of the 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.240 things he said in this interview was and that surprised me, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.160 and sometimes a lot of times a Democratic collected don't 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.320 really surprise me. I'm sorry to tell you, but this 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.160 I thought was really surprising and interesting, which is he 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.800 said that he got a lot of faith from the 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:59.000 fact that Newsom was planning to do this redistricting of 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.320 the five seats, and he said it showed that you 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.160 can push back against trump Ism. And so this makes 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.119 me think of that Newsom is going to sue Trump 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.640 for sending California National Guard troops to Oregon. We already 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.920 saw that Trump had no right to federalize the Guard 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.920 when it came to California. My guess is that this 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.960 will also be deemed illegal. And I sort of point 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.120 out again and again, and this is something that Pritzker 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.560 said to in his public comments. They keep I think 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.159 it's really important. This White House is out there with 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.800 a press release as soon as humanly possible, and they 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.479 are working it like for example, in this piece, it 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.919 says zoom in President Trump exercised his lawful authority to 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.080 protect federal assets and personnel in Portland following following violent riots. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.719 White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said in a statement to Axios, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.440 there are no violent riots right so that's fucking bullshit. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.880 And if you're going to use statements that have lies 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.920 in them, should you be putting a verbatim statement like 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.120 that in a new in any kind of news, Like, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:12.360 clearly that is not true, right. I think Newsom will win, 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.960 And I think this is illegal, and I think that 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.560 if you're axios, you should not put these statements that 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.600 contain lies in them in your reporting. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:21.160 Maya. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.719 I think we're seeing here in some research from the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.880 Goop Maker Institute what we assumed would happen, which is 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.279 when you ban abortions and make it very hard for 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.600 women to have abortions, they have less abortions. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.560 Yeah, and now they have less abortions, But what's the 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.640 second order effect? So much of trump Ism is a 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.840 lot of like poorly thought out ideas, a lot and 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.320 very little trying to figure out this second order effect 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.279 when things happen. So I'll be curious, like who's having 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.640 these babies? And what you know? Are these teenagers having babies? 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.960 Because like when I was young, we had a teen 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:02.159 pregnancy epidemic. We even had that because we had abortions, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.960 we had morning after pill, we had things. It was 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.560 just a very different world and we didn't have a 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.640 teen pregnancy epidemic the way we do now, or we 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.680 may now. We don't know, so, I mean, I think 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.480 I'll be curious to see the second order effects of this. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.680 For the first full In the first full year after 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.680 the DABS decision, about one in three abortions in the 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.040 South and one in twelve nationwide happened in Florida. Now 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:37.200 Florida doesn't have abortions anymore, so they you know, so 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.680 I don't know where people go. I mean, this is 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.440 the end. It turns out maybe they don't and they 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.000 have more children than they can't afford or care for. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.160 So, Molly, I find this case to be a really 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.880 important flashpoint because it often shows which way the wind 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.320 is blowing with how Trump pushes back. And what we're 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.360 seeing now is Kilmar Brego Garcia may have been charged 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.279 because of Trump administration's dendictiveness. A judge's founder. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.280 Everything we're going through is because of the Trump administration's vindictiveness. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.680 I mean, you know, we wouldn't have ice in Chicago, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.160 we wouldn't have this, we wouldn't have that the whole 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.800 you know, when Trump kept saying like I'm gonna, you know, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.200 pay back my enemies and and you know, extract retribution. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:21.920 Everyone be like, no, you don't really mean that. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:23.200 He'd be like, yes, I do. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.560 Uh yeah, he does, so uh. They so they were 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.200 not going to return him. Remember they sent this guy, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.480 this poor guy, he's a Maryland guy. He was not 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.160 in the country legally, but he did live in Maryland. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.840 They said, they deported him. Then they had to bring 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:41.400 him back. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:42.720 Remember they had. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.280 All those people in that They had all those people 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.600 in that jail. By the way, we still don't know 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.840 where the out the Alligator Alcatraz people are, right, They're 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.880 just somewhere else in the system. I mean. The thing 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.240 is like, we know people are dying in this we know, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.480 but we don't really they know, like what the numbers are, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.240 but we certainly know. And I mean, because the mainstream 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.560 media is so small now, there's just so much that 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.280 we're missing. Like if we had the media we had 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:17.000 in twenty sixteen, we every day would be horror stories. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.880 But so much of this is going on reported because 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.080 people just don't have the they don't have the lawyers, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.400 they don't have the infrastructure, they don't have the things 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:33.120 they need to do that report in Rick Wilson is 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.120 the founder of the Lincoln Project and the host of 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.000 the Enemy's List. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.400 Rick Wilson polydn fast. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.520 I'm going to read you a tweet. We're going to 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:41.880 just start right with a tweet. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.719 You ready, I'm ready, strapdad, Ready to go. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.240 The core purpose of the organized terrorist attack on DHS 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.920 what where is there an organized terrorist attack is to 0:08:55.120 --> 0:09:01.280 reverse to assault, and it's an assignation the twenty twenty 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.960 four election mandate to expel millions of illegal aliens at 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.480 biten a minute, Okay. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.559 Yes, look, this is another thing that Steven Miller cranked 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.880 out in his goon cave somewhere in his house, where 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.200 he gets this enormously baroque fantasy in his head that 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.720 somehow anybody who opposes Donald Trump. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:22.920 On any dimension is a terrorist. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.880 Anyone who speaks against Donald Trump is a terrorist. Anyone 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.920 who funds a Democratic candidate is a terrorist. The problem 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.720 with this is that the people engaging in the terrorist acts, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.480 by and large in our streets are a bunch of 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.720 massed goons who are now arresting and abusing US citizens, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.359 who are assaulting journalists and whatever the cause, killed. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.720 Two people right or one or two people have. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.800 Been whatever the cause that started the public opposition to them. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.920 It's because of Stephen Miller's desire to expel all the 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.720 brown people from a America. Let's not lie about what 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.200 it is. He is an eliminationist. He does not just 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.439 want to get rid of illegals. I promise you it 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.559 will not stop there. The next phase will be, well, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.800 these Mexicans aren't culturally like us. They're not real Americans. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.360 I mean, hence the whole bad Bunny attack. He's a 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:19.720 Puerto Rican, He's not really an American. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.440 Well, I mean, part of it is that, but I 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:27.160 also think this is it. I agree Steven Miller, but 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.760 I also think it's really important to just like talk 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.480 about this for one second, which is they are doing 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.640 all this messaging because they know it's not working. And 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.680 I feel like what I think Pritzker said this thing 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.360 last week that or last week a couple of days ago. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.400 Maybe it was like a day ago, but it feels 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.839 like ten years. Pritzker said this thing where he said 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:53.920 videotape everything, because everything, because I think he really did 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.080 have this realization, which is like there was a moment 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.360 when Donald Trump saw the little girl crying over her 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.880 shoes when he was like, I'm a TV guy and 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.480 this is not how I want my presidency to look. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.679 And Pritzker is in many ways trying to get that 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.959 moment to Donald Trump. Agree, disagree, No, I agree. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.040 Look, Trump is a primarily visual thinker. He is a 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.760 guy who sees the picture. He is a guy who 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.600 sees what's on the TV. I mean, he's the Chauncey 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.200 Gardner of our era, only evil. And because these pictures 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:33.880 are increasingly not of ice arresting the imaginary, you know, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:39.239 terrorists of trendi Agua, but in fact abusing and assaulting 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.160 and hitting and gassing women, not children, American citizens to 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.360 the ground and kicking in the door of American citizens 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.600 without a warrant. Yeah, and arresting elected officials who asked, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.400 just asked the question do you have a warrant? The 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.319 Chicago alderman who was arrested the other day just asked, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.960 do you have a warrant? They said, you're under a rat. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.040 Do you have a warrant? We just want to know, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.679 do you have a warrant. There was no violence, there 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:10.160 was no assault, there was no call to harm. For them, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.280 it was a simple question that every American citizen has 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.679 a right when they are dealing with law enforcement at 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.880 any level, do you have a warrant? 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:23.280 But even non citizens have rights, like the whole idea. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.559 That yeah, well yeah, And I'm bifurcating this problem a 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.000 little bit here because non citizens still have the right 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.400 to do process under our constitution. Yes, I'm sorry if 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.240 the Republicans today don't believe in that, but I'm sorry. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.320 That is hard black letter law in the Constitution. It 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.559 is not a debatable matter that even non citizens have 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.920 certain constitutional rights. They don't have every single protection that 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.440 we do, but for due process they do. For interactions 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.240 with the criminal justice system, including ICE and DHS they do. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.199 The declaration of a phone national emergency it does not cover, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.360 is not legally sufficient to give ICE the power to 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.040 go and decide. Oh, a journalist asked me a question 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.760 I didn't like. I'm going to knock the fuck out 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.080 of them and hit him on and knock them to 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.960 the ground. Oh. Someone someone was was in my way 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.840 on a public sidewalk. I'm going to bear mace them. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:20.480 Now. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.439 Look, there was one of these cases where the woman 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.520 was armed. They shot her. I don't know the whole 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.800 details of the story. None of this is an argument 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.520 for violence against these ice guys, right, but there is 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.640 an argument for accountability for them well. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.400 And I think that's what's so important about what Pritzker said. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.240 He said he didn't say, like he said, videotape it 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.400 put it online. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:42.959 Yep. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.600 Let that, you know, let people see what's happening. And 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.760 I think that really is, you know, be peaceful. But 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.880 videotape didn't put it online. And I think I think 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.720 that is this really the only way it's going to work. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.760 I you know, I keep thinking back back to when 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:06.520 I was on a stage with this guy, Scott Jennings 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.600 from MSNBC but from CNN, and we're sitting there and 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.240 he's saying all this like really inflammatory stuff, like on 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.480 climate change. He says, we're in war with China and 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.440 that's why we have to build lots of power plans 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.640 so we can win the AI war. And I just wonder, 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.360 so much of this ethos of trump Ism is really 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.960 just like getting people upset. And I just think at 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.360 some point the American people, don't you think they reject this? 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.440 No, sadly I don't. Here's why. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.560 Yeah, the American people broadly have already rejected Trump. Two 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.800 thirds of the American people for our Mogel listeners, I'm sorry, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.960 but these are math concepts you have to get used to. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.880 Two thirds of the American people do not want these rates, right, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.200 they oppose it. Donald Trump is eighteen to twenty points 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.760 underwater on every economic cluster, sure, and he's the immigration 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.000 He's ten to fifteen points underwater on immigration. Nothing he 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.080 is doing that he claimed he would be good at doing. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:09.280 He is good at doing. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.840 And I think, will you talk about immigration for a minute, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.960 because that was the one where he was okay, like 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.520 talk to about. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.360 That was his final That was the sort of final 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.360 boss of Trump, right right. He always was believed to be, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.960 even by some more conservative Democrats, the right guy to 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.000 seal the border and stop illegal alien crime and all. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.080 The themes they used. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.520 Now those things are real issues. By the way, there 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.520 are people here from other countries who commit terrible crimes, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.080 and you know what, they should be deported, or they 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.080 should be or they should be tried and put in prison. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.120 Either way, I'm fine, But the focus of what they've 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.480 done is not on lawbreakers. It's on people who just work. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.960 Gardeners and nurses and home health care, aids and farmers 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.600 and constructions. So this idea that that immigration was going 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.400 to be Trump's like main thing, was predicated on, Oh, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.680 every day we'll catch a human trafficker. Every day, will 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.680 get a murderer, every day, We'll get ten thousand drug 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.800 dealers from trendy Arragua. Those people are gone already, but 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.840 I supported a lot of them. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.440 Right, But I also think it is important to realize 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:20.560 that now that Trump is president, immigration, just like regular immigration, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.640 is as popular as it's ever been. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.800 Yeah, the stupidity level. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.400 Do you know what the polling on that is. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.480 I'm going to dig it up for you right now. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.160 Yeah, the stupidity level of this. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.640 The point is we don't need to know the exact number, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.400 But the point is that Donald Trump has done more 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:44.480 for immigration than Democrats. Legal immigration much more popular than 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.920 Democrats could have ever. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.560 Right, Donald Trump ended up causing so much damage throughout 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.720 the economy that now the public polling is much more 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:58.680 favorable to a legal immigration structure and system than it 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.120 was even when Joe was present. And what Trump has done, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.199 I think he's actually weirdly done a service to the 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.920 immigration debate because when the imaginary debate is they're all criminals. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.520 They're all from third world hell holes here to steal 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.440 your wife, beat your dog and cat, you know, and 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.040 burn your community down and put a taco truck on 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.879 every corner. It's easier for Fox and for the MAGA 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.639 infrastructure to demagogue this thing and go crazy on it. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.680 Right when it's Wan the gardener, or Rosa the home 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:34.480 healthcare nurse or Carlos the rufer, it becomes a lot 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.600 more difficult to make this case. And the and the 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.800 majority of the people that they are deporting, the vast, vast, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.800 vast vast majority, something like ninety five percent of them 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.840 are not hardened criminals, are not in MS thirteen are 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.600 not in trende is a. It is a deminimous number. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.960 And they they've had now nine months to do this. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.479 They've had nine months. Are you telling me that this 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.600 panopticon government, with all the data of Palenteer and everybody else, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.920 can't round up the bad guys in nine months? 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.880 But I also think the probably the reason why they're 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.240 having so much trouble making these quotas is because there 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.000 aren't enough people like they're you know, they have this idea, 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.520 there's twenty million illegal quote unquote, but it's not, and 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.840 that's why there'd be so much, right find it? 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.200 Wait is it's like it's like yeah, okay, it's like this. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.400 It's like those things when the Russians used to say, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.679 like the beat harvest will be fifty thousand tons, right, 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.280 they're only growing like five thousand tons of beats or 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:35.200 whatever the number was. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.359 Right, Well, it is with Trump really, I mean the 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.200 thing with Trump that you really do see and he's 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.919 got and he started doing this with numbers too, you know, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.960 like they they're writing as checks for ten trillion. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.080 Dollars, seventeen trillion dollars. It's been so far, I. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.600 Mean it is. But the thing that with this shutdown, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.840 like the larger question is who's running the show, because 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:04.200 like clear Russ Vaught and Steven Miller like running the 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.800 show outsourcing going on this. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.359 Let me tell you what I'm what I'm given to 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.520 understand by people around the Trump orbit right now, Steven 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.440 Miller and Russ Vaught and JD. Vance have formed a 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.119 sort of loose governing alliance inside the White House. Susie 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.000 Wiles is checked out pretty much. She's in the background now. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:28.240 She does the administrative stuff, not the strategic stuff. She's 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.080 not in the room for the big strategic plays anymore. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.119 She's she's a smaller character than she was, and she 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.400 was the one nor me, me that everybody was like, oh, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.280 thank god, Susie Wiles is there. It's grown up in 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.439 the room. It's now Miller and Miller's hold over Trump 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.840 is very simple. He says to Trump every day, Well, 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.600 the base wants us to do this. The base wants 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.720 you to do that. If you don't do this, the 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.520 bass will be angry with you. Donald, right, And and 0:19:54.560 --> 0:20:01.080 so you see that that Vaught, Miller, Vance and Vance 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:02.960 is doing this because he's trying to get that jump 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.320 on twenty twenty eight, right, that that coordinated little group 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.800 is pushing forward and trying to make the immigration stuff 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.560 as hot as they can, as ugly as they can, 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.359 as as pressing as they can as an issue. I 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.119 don't think that it's working. The numbers are not great. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.000 And the other part of this thing is, you know 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.640 Trump's inability to stay focused on anything for very long. Yeah, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.000 it always he always drifts off to something else. Now 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.560 he wants to invade Iraq or Iran. Now I wanted 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.440 to go back to Afghanistan. Now I wants to New Nicaragua, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.640 Venezuela or whatever it is. This, yeah, all of it. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.960 If he was every day out there messaging from the podium, right, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.680 might be a different case. But I don't think he 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.480 can do that anymore. I don't think he has the 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.719 cognitive ability to do that these days. I think I 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.919 think he's in a it's sort of a quicksand right 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:57.879 now when it comes to that. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.760 So some of this stuff, I mean, he did some speeches, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.439 he talked today, and he talked, he did a helicopter 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:10.080 spray and he definitely was not you know, right, I. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:10.560 Haven't seen that. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.680 I haven't seen the footage of that yet, but I 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.600 I look his decline. I know we've been saying this 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.920 for a while. It is not subtle anymore. It's much 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.359 harder to pretend that he is not. I mean that 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.040 the jd Vance thing that somebody around Trump World literally 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.600 said to me, it's legacy. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:30.040 Planning right now. 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.280 They don't want to get caught short if Trump dies 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.600 one morning, you know, on his second filet of fish 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:36.800 and JD. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.560 Vance has to step up. They don't want to be short. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.520 So that's why vances up doing all this populous raw 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:42.840 raw uglie bullshit. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:48.800 I mean, Vance is a he is a uniquely terrible politician, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.800 so so bad it will be a fascinating I mean 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.080 he really is, like he is like Stephen Miller. I 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.640 mean he just it's like, why is this person screaming 0:21:58.640 --> 0:21:58.919 at me? 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.280 And yeah, and and and look. And the worst part 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.399 of it is with Stephen Miller, you know, he's psychotic. 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.240 You know, there's just some evil brewing in the heart 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.760 of Stephen Miller. With Vance, it's just ambition, which to 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.600 my mind makes it much less forgivable. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.560 I remember saying that Advance was never Trump. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.080 Was JD. Vance used to be on all of our 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.520 email chains back in the early days of never Trump. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.280