WEBVTT - Go to Hell!!!

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<v Speaker 1>Go to Hell. It's one more thing. I'm literally stay

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<v Speaker 1>tuned before we get to go to Hell.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw this headliner remind me a story from

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<v Speaker 2>my own child's life. Save LA's libraries from violent vagrants.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a push from the California Post editorial board about

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<v Speaker 2>how Los Angeles libraries have been overrun by shocking scenes

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<v Speaker 2>of x CON's drugs and chaos, overwhelming staff, terrifying visitors

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<v Speaker 2>at the public library, and then so regular people aren't going.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped going to the public library quite a while

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<v Speaker 2>back for the very reason is because it just got

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<v Speaker 2>to be it's just full of bums. The library I

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<v Speaker 2>went to U in downtown Sacramento, the main public library

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<v Speaker 2>and Sacramento I used to go to weekly. I would

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<v Speaker 2>check out audiobooks, I'd check out books rather than buy them.

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<v Speaker 2>But it became just there's just too many drug addicts,

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<v Speaker 2>there's anyone I'll just don't pay for it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it's like now, i't been there in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, but I know it's a common experience in

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<v Speaker 2>public libraries. And my son was at the public library

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<v Speaker 2>the other day for whatever reason. He's got a homeschool

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<v Speaker 2>thing and so he's working on a paper. All the

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<v Speaker 2>computers were being taken up by what looked to be vagrants,

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<v Speaker 2>he find. And the computers are supposed to be there

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<v Speaker 2>for you to be able to, you know, for those

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<v Speaker 2>who don't have access to Wi Fi and modern technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what's holding them back in the world. We're

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<v Speaker 2>providing computers and internet service here at the library.

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<v Speaker 1>For those who don't have technology privilege, right exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you got bombs looking at porn.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in this case, the person sitting next to Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>he noticed it was what certainly appeared to be a

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<v Speaker 2>street person watching Mall Cop and eating pop tarts. Huh

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<v Speaker 2>so probably stole the pop tarts or maybe my fine

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<v Speaker 2>city hands them out and I pay for them. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not know. And a watching the mall cop, which

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<v Speaker 2>I guess means this is what Henry said. So does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean he has a streaming service somehow? Does he

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<v Speaker 2>have that he logged into Netflix? Or or is that

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<v Speaker 2>provided by the library too. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>No human beings should pay money to watch Paul Blart

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<v Speaker 1>Mall Cop comedy classic. Yeah, that's like giving that away.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that while I was at work. This gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>could enjoy a fine comedy and have some pop tarts

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of.

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<v Speaker 1>What was his flavor of choice? Was it the you

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<v Speaker 1>pick it with a strawberry or something a bit more steric?

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<v Speaker 1>Good hell, I said in the introduction, Here's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Excuse me, damn allergies. If you're old enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the Son of Sam killings in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>It was forty eight years ago. Forty nine years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>One David Berkowitz, pudgy, twenty three year old, semi delusional idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>decided his neighbor's dog was telling him to kill people,

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<v Speaker 1>and he murdered six people in cold blood and shot

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<v Speaker 1>several others who survived. Their lives changed physically and psychologically forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize he was the guy from the original

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<v Speaker 2>My dog told me to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yes, Sam was either his neighbors neighbor's dog, and

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed the dog was telling him to kill people.

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<v Speaker 1>But and he's allegedly not insane. He's still in prison, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and always will be. I happened to spend a good

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<v Speaker 1>deal of that summer in New Jersey in Teneck, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>right across the river from New York City, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were in no danger, obviously, but as a kid you

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<v Speaker 1>could not escape the son of Sam. Headlines and stories

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<v Speaker 1>are everywhere all the time, so there was a real

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of unease as a serial killer was killing people.

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<v Speaker 1>As we spoke, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Year did you say that is?

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<v Speaker 1>See, it was seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say how close to seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>was thereineteen seventy six and seventy seven wow, because there

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<v Speaker 2>have been a number of documentaries talking about that. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the height of fear in America, certainly in New

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<v Speaker 2>York City, which drove the fear in America because New

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<v Speaker 2>York News dominates our culture so much. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>the height of New York is a dangerous place to be, movies,

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<v Speaker 2>TV shows, everything, and there you were, right next to

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<v Speaker 2>that the metropolitan.

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<v Speaker 1>Area, in the outer ribs of the arms of the

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<v Speaker 1>belly of the beast. Anyway, so Berkowitz is seventy two

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<v Speaker 1>years old now. He's still in prison maximum security in

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<v Speaker 1>New York and he gave an interview recently, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>partly because he didn't bother showing up for a parole

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<v Speaker 1>hearing and What he said was.

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<v Speaker 2>That he wouldn't leave prison if.

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<v Speaker 1>You asked him to. He converted to Christianity, found salvation

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<v Speaker 1>in Jesus, and his entire life now is ministering to

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<v Speaker 1>and teaching inmates about the gospel.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he not crazy anymore? How do you go from

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<v Speaker 2>your dog the neighbor's dog tells you to kill people too?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, an understanding of theology that allows you to

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<v Speaker 2>or compels you to try to help other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he does not claim that he was insane. He

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<v Speaker 1>claims that he got swept away in a bizarre fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>and is deeply ashamed of it. He's horrified by what

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<v Speaker 1>he did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. In front of a parole board in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, he said he made a pact with the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds just so ridiculous looking back at it now,

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<v Speaker 1>But I was thoroughly enmeshed in that mindset, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was on a mission for human sacrifices, and I'm ashamed

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So is there any mention of like medication? Was he

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of any brand of schizophrenic or borderline person out? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no mention of that which you know seems, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody who's at least semi normal, including you, good people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to wrap your head around doing things as

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying as he did, just because you kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>swept up in something. But you know, during the radio

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<v Speaker 1>show today we Happen to Be Slash Podcast, we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about people who get swept up in ideologies and

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<v Speaker 1>decide that it's so righteous you can kill people over it.

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<v Speaker 1>And generally it's younger people who this happens to, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you get older a little more perspective and develop

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<v Speaker 1>a little more compassion for others, you're not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>swept up like that. There are certainly exceptions. They to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, older, middle aged, really embittered men. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think there's a relationship here. He was young

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<v Speaker 1>and foolish and a half wit and fell into this

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy and probably got excited by the thrill of killing people. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>But so he was talking to New York Post and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, my home is in heaven, not the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already free, and the only place I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to going to is to be in heaven with the Lord. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they sought out some of his victims who survived, and

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<v Speaker 1>the families of those victims who who say it takes well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to quote one guy who was shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the head by Brokowitz and survived. That takes some pair

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<v Speaker 1>of balls to say the least. I sincerely doubt he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to heaven. He's lucky he's not already in hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and similar quotes from other people like that. Uh dad,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. He said, I'm not seeking parole. I opted

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<v Speaker 1>not to attend right now. I have other things to

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<v Speaker 1>do which I feel are more meaningful.

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<v Speaker 2>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>He believes a higher calling brought him to prison, where

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<v Speaker 1>he oversees a thriving congregation and preaches the gospel the

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<v Speaker 1>troubled inmates. My work is in prison where God has

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<v Speaker 1>his people confined. These men need guidance, help and encouragement.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an elder and this is my calling. What the

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<v Speaker 1>hell do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Lord knows I have only a seekers knowledge of Christian doctrine.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fairly decent amount of that completely repented lives

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<v Speaker 1>his life now to bring comfort to others, has confessed

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<v Speaker 1>his sins, expressed his regret you know, maybe because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the victims can't forgive him. Maybe you just

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<v Speaker 1>stand up at a place psychologically where there's no forgiveness

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<v Speaker 1>for you on earth. Brother, But if there is in

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<v Speaker 1>the Kingdom of Heaven, as you understand it, that's for

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<v Speaker 1>God to decide. But no, not down here.

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<v Speaker 2>Theological perspective, it would be the idea that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get into any place so dark that the light can't

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<v Speaker 2>penetrate it and overcome it. And he was in about

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<v Speaker 2>as dark a place as you could possibly be.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if you're familiar with the Gospels, it

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<v Speaker 1>only you got to cast your mind back to Saul

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<v Speaker 1>of Tarsus, right, who ended up being the apostle. Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>He persecuted Christians, and that doesn't mean gave him parking tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that story's in there for reason.

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<v Speaker 2>And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not what tell's that said? The darkness?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Anyway, that's an interesting story. I'm not looking to

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<v Speaker 2>more on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Final note from the Murderous Monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that an argument against the death penalty that somebody

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<v Speaker 2>could turn their life around, let good as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>evil into their hearts and try to help other people

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<v Speaker 2>because right.

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<v Speaker 1>At this moment, Yeah, clearly it's an argument. Whether you

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<v Speaker 1>buy it or not is up to you. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty powerful argument.

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<v Speaker 2>At this moment. In quite a few years, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>net plus for society, not a net negative if you start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at whatever point after the killing is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he's in prison trying to turn people around. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>net plus for society. So yeah, I hate.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that, grim Math, but I admire your willingness

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. So. Asked by The New York Post

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<v Speaker 1>what he'd do if he received freedom, Brokowitz said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already free. Jesus, who is my lord messiahs set me

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<v Speaker 1>free from the power of sin and Satan.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a good one. Wow, Wow is right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I'm not in charge of figuring this stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a simple man.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a perfect way to get out of this

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<v Speaker 2>favorite cop tart flavor of Michael. Oh please, blueberry, Joe says, easy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be interesting to blueberry.

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<v Speaker 1>I shot off my mouth, Michael. That's a good choice. Blooberry,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes like blueberry. Never liked the blueberry ones. Wow, my

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's favorite flavor, which I thought was disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that. Next, Joe went with, oh, it's obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the obvious best flavor of pop tart?

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<v Speaker 1>Apple cinemon?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. It is like, it's like so good

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<v Speaker 2>those apple maple whatever that is. Oh, those are good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've eaten a ton of strawberries in my life

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<v Speaker 2>because often that's all they had at the store. But

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<v Speaker 2>my brother liked the chocolate pop tarts, and I thought, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Gross, that's a child's pop tart. Well, we were children,

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<v Speaker 1>which easy. Speaking of good defenses, that's a pretty good one.

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<v Speaker 2>We were children. But even as a kid, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they were disgusting. Chocolate pop tarts. And they don't taste

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<v Speaker 2>like chocolate. They taste like something kind of like John

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<v Speaker 2>the Blueberry. Michael, you constantly amaze me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fascinating guy with jazz hands. Hansen says confetti. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Oh disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well on that thought, I guess that's it.