Speaker 1: Go to Hell. It's one more thing. I'm literally stay
Speaker 1: tuned before we get to go to Hell.
Speaker 2: I just saw this headliner remind me a story from
Speaker 2: my own child's life. Save LA's libraries from violent vagrants.
Speaker 2: There's a push from the California Post editorial board about
Speaker 2: how Los Angeles libraries have been overrun by shocking scenes
Speaker 2: of x CON's drugs and chaos, overwhelming staff, terrifying visitors
Speaker 2: at the public library, and then so regular people aren't going.
Speaker 2: I stopped going to the public library quite a while
Speaker 2: back for the very reason is because it just got
Speaker 2: to be it's just full of bums. The library I
Speaker 2: went to U in downtown Sacramento, the main public library
Speaker 2: and Sacramento I used to go to weekly. I would
Speaker 2: check out audiobooks, I'd check out books rather than buy them.
Speaker 2: But it became just there's just too many drug addicts,
Speaker 2: there's anyone I'll just don't pay for it. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like now, i't been there in
Speaker 2: twenty years, but I know it's a common experience in
Speaker 2: public libraries. And my son was at the public library
Speaker 2: the other day for whatever reason. He's got a homeschool
Speaker 2: thing and so he's working on a paper. All the
Speaker 2: computers were being taken up by what looked to be vagrants,
Speaker 2: he find. And the computers are supposed to be there
Speaker 2: for you to be able to, you know, for those
Speaker 2: who don't have access to Wi Fi and modern technology,
Speaker 2: and that's what's holding them back in the world. We're
Speaker 2: providing computers and internet service here at the library.
Speaker 1: For those who don't have technology privilege, right exactly. And
Speaker 1: so you got bombs looking at porn.
Speaker 2: Well, in this case, the person sitting next to Henry,
Speaker 2: he noticed it was what certainly appeared to be a
Speaker 2: street person watching Mall Cop and eating pop tarts. Huh
Speaker 2: so probably stole the pop tarts or maybe my fine
Speaker 2: city hands them out and I pay for them. I
Speaker 2: do not know. And a watching the mall cop, which
Speaker 2: I guess means this is what Henry said. So does
Speaker 2: that mean he has a streaming service somehow? Does he
Speaker 2: have that he logged into Netflix? Or or is that
Speaker 2: provided by the library too. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: No human beings should pay money to watch Paul Blart
Speaker 1: Mall Cop comedy classic. Yeah, that's like giving that away.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that while I was at work. This gentleman
Speaker 2: could enjoy a fine comedy and have some pop tarts
Speaker 2: in the middle of.
Speaker 1: What was his flavor of choice? Was it the you
Speaker 1: pick it with a strawberry or something a bit more steric?
Speaker 1: Good hell, I said in the introduction, Here's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Excuse me, damn allergies. If you're old enough,
Speaker 1: you remember the Son of Sam killings in New York City.
Speaker 1: It was forty eight years ago. Forty nine years ago.
Speaker 1: One David Berkowitz, pudgy, twenty three year old, semi delusional idiot,
Speaker 1: decided his neighbor's dog was telling him to kill people,
Speaker 1: and he murdered six people in cold blood and shot
Speaker 1: several others who survived. Their lives changed physically and psychologically forever.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was the guy from the original
Speaker 2: My dog told me to do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, Sam was either his neighbors neighbor's dog, and
Speaker 1: he claimed the dog was telling him to kill people.
Speaker 1: But and he's allegedly not insane. He's still in prison, yeah,
Speaker 1: and always will be. I happened to spend a good
Speaker 1: deal of that summer in New Jersey in Teneck, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: right across the river from New York City, and we
Speaker 1: were in no danger, obviously, but as a kid you
Speaker 1: could not escape the son of Sam. Headlines and stories
Speaker 1: are everywhere all the time, so there was a real
Speaker 1: feeling of unease as a serial killer was killing people.
Speaker 1: As we spoke, what.
Speaker 2: Year did you say that is?
Speaker 1: See, it was seventy seven.
Speaker 2: I was about to say how close to seventy seven
Speaker 2: was thereineteen seventy six and seventy seven wow, because there
Speaker 2: have been a number of documentaries talking about that. That
Speaker 2: was the height of fear in America, certainly in New
Speaker 2: York City, which drove the fear in America because New
Speaker 2: York News dominates our culture so much. But that was
Speaker 2: the height of New York is a dangerous place to be, movies,
Speaker 2: TV shows, everything, and there you were, right next to
Speaker 2: that the metropolitan.
Speaker 1: Area, in the outer ribs of the arms of the
Speaker 1: belly of the beast. Anyway, so Berkowitz is seventy two
Speaker 1: years old now. He's still in prison maximum security in
Speaker 1: New York and he gave an interview recently, I guess
Speaker 1: partly because he didn't bother showing up for a parole
Speaker 1: hearing and What he said was.
Speaker 2: That he wouldn't leave prison if.
Speaker 1: You asked him to. He converted to Christianity, found salvation
Speaker 1: in Jesus, and his entire life now is ministering to
Speaker 1: and teaching inmates about the gospel.
Speaker 2: Was he not crazy anymore? How do you go from
Speaker 2: your dog the neighbor's dog tells you to kill people too?
Speaker 2: You know, an understanding of theology that allows you to
Speaker 2: or compels you to try to help other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does not claim that he was insane. He
Speaker 1: claims that he got swept away in a bizarre fantasy
Speaker 1: and is deeply ashamed of it. He's horrified by what
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In front of a parole board in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, he said he made a pact with the devil.
Speaker 1: It sounds just so ridiculous looking back at it now,
Speaker 1: But I was thoroughly enmeshed in that mindset, and I
Speaker 1: was on a mission for human sacrifices, and I'm ashamed
Speaker 1: of that. Wow.
Speaker 2: So is there any mention of like medication? Was he
Speaker 2: any kind of any brand of schizophrenic or borderline person out? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, no mention of that which you know seems, I mean,
Speaker 1: to anybody who's at least semi normal, including you, good people,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to wrap your head around doing things as
Speaker 1: horrifying as he did, just because you kind of got
Speaker 1: swept up in something. But you know, during the radio
Speaker 1: show today we Happen to Be Slash Podcast, we were
Speaker 1: talking about people who get swept up in ideologies and
Speaker 1: decide that it's so righteous you can kill people over it.
Speaker 1: And generally it's younger people who this happens to, because
Speaker 1: once you get older a little more perspective and develop
Speaker 1: a little more compassion for others, you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: swept up like that. There are certainly exceptions. They to
Speaker 1: be you know, older, middle aged, really embittered men. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I think there's a relationship here. He was young
Speaker 1: and foolish and a half wit and fell into this
Speaker 1: fantasy and probably got excited by the thrill of killing people. Anyway,
Speaker 1: But so he was talking to New York Post and
Speaker 1: he said, my home is in heaven, not the Bronx.
Speaker 1: I'm already free, and the only place I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to going to is to be in heaven with the Lord. Now,
Speaker 1: they sought out some of his victims who survived, and
Speaker 1: the families of those victims who who say it takes well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote one guy who was shot in
Speaker 1: the head by Brokowitz and survived. That takes some pair
Speaker 1: of balls to say the least. I sincerely doubt he's
Speaker 1: going to heaven. He's lucky he's not already in hell,
Speaker 1: and similar quotes from other people like that. Uh dad,
Speaker 1: he said. He said, I'm not seeking parole. I opted
Speaker 1: not to attend right now. I have other things to
Speaker 1: do which I feel are more meaningful.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: He believes a higher calling brought him to prison, where
Speaker 1: he oversees a thriving congregation and preaches the gospel the
Speaker 1: troubled inmates. My work is in prison where God has
Speaker 1: his people confined. These men need guidance, help and encouragement.
Speaker 1: I'm an elder and this is my calling. What the
Speaker 1: hell do you make of that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Lord knows I have only a seekers knowledge of Christian doctrine.
Speaker 1: What a fairly decent amount of that completely repented lives
Speaker 1: his life now to bring comfort to others, has confessed
Speaker 1: his sins, expressed his regret you know, maybe because a
Speaker 1: lot of the victims can't forgive him. Maybe you just
Speaker 1: stand up at a place psychologically where there's no forgiveness
Speaker 1: for you on earth. Brother, But if there is in
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven, as you understand it, that's for
Speaker 1: God to decide. But no, not down here.
Speaker 2: Theological perspective, it would be the idea that you can't
Speaker 2: get into any place so dark that the light can't
Speaker 2: penetrate it and overcome it. And he was in about
Speaker 2: as dark a place as you could possibly be.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're familiar with the Gospels, it
Speaker 1: only you got to cast your mind back to Saul
Speaker 1: of Tarsus, right, who ended up being the apostle. Paul.
Speaker 1: He persecuted Christians, and that doesn't mean gave him parking tickets.
Speaker 1: I think that story's in there for reason.
Speaker 2: And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it.
Speaker 1: Not what tell's that said? The darkness?
Speaker 2: Uh, Anyway, that's an interesting story. I'm not looking to
Speaker 2: more on that.
Speaker 1: Final note from the Murderous Monster.
Speaker 2: Is that an argument against the death penalty that somebody
Speaker 2: could turn their life around, let good as opposed to
Speaker 2: evil into their hearts and try to help other people
Speaker 2: because right.
Speaker 1: At this moment, Yeah, clearly it's an argument. Whether you
Speaker 1: buy it or not is up to you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty powerful argument.
Speaker 2: At this moment. In quite a few years, he's a
Speaker 2: net plus for society, not a net negative if you start,
Speaker 2: you know, at whatever point after the killing is obviously
Speaker 2: he's in prison trying to turn people around. That's a
Speaker 2: net plus for society. So yeah, I hate.
Speaker 1: To do that, grim Math, but I admire your willingness
Speaker 1: to do it. So. Asked by The New York Post
Speaker 1: what he'd do if he received freedom, Brokowitz said, I'm
Speaker 1: already free. Jesus, who is my lord messiahs set me
Speaker 1: free from the power of sin and Satan.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good one. Wow, Wow is right.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm not in charge of figuring this stuff out.
Speaker 1: I'm a simple man.
Speaker 2: I got a perfect way to get out of this
Speaker 2: favorite cop tart flavor of Michael. Oh please, blueberry, Joe says, easy,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to blueberry.
Speaker 1: I shot off my mouth, Michael. That's a good choice. Blooberry,
Speaker 1: Yes like blueberry. Never liked the blueberry ones. Wow, my
Speaker 1: my brother's favorite flavor, which I thought was disgusting.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Next, Joe went with, oh, it's obvious.
Speaker 2: What's the obvious best flavor of pop tart?
Speaker 1: Apple cinemon?
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It is like, it's like so good
Speaker 2: those apple maple whatever that is. Oh, those are good.
Speaker 2: And I've eaten a ton of strawberries in my life
Speaker 2: because often that's all they had at the store. But
Speaker 2: my brother liked the chocolate pop tarts, and I thought, oh.
Speaker 1: Gross, that's a child's pop tart. Well, we were children,
Speaker 1: which easy. Speaking of good defenses, that's a pretty good one.
Speaker 2: We were children. But even as a kid, I thought
Speaker 2: they were disgusting. Chocolate pop tarts. And they don't taste
Speaker 2: like chocolate. They taste like something kind of like John
Speaker 2: the Blueberry. Michael, you constantly amaze me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating guy with jazz hands. Hansen says confetti. Oh
Speaker 1: that's it. Oh disgusting.
Speaker 2: I don't have to think.
Speaker 1: Well on that thought, I guess that's it.