Speaker 1: Pushkin. Okay, listen between the driving and the rain and
Speaker 1: you looking at this bone and Bobby did weed and
Speaker 1: like your fucking Mohammad Holiday, give me the phone and
Speaker 1: let me do the navigation. You're gonna kill us. Anybody
Speaker 1: just got here? What does this say? What? Uh? This
Speaker 1: signe is one hundred and thirty three depths on Montana
Speaker 1: highways in twenty nineteen. Driver responsible, look at one hundred
Speaker 1: and I'm a good driver. This is not lost. Each episode,
Speaker 1: a friend and I go to a place, see the
Speaker 1: sights and try to get invited to dinner. I'm Brendan
Speaker 1: Friends's Newnham the driver, and that's my friend Danielle Henderson
Speaker 1: the backseat driver. I drive. I have a car this
Speaker 1: episode or in Bozeman, month town. We're going one mile
Speaker 1: to Bear Canyon Road. Yeah, we've just left the airport
Speaker 1: in our suv rental and we're bobbing and weaving our
Speaker 1: way into town. Bozeman is surrounded by six mountain ranges
Speaker 1: and is capped by Montana's famous Big Sky. Would you
Speaker 1: think you're our more mountain or ocean person? Now? Mountain.
Speaker 1: I live constantly on a coast, but I just don't
Speaker 1: take advantage of Although we are, as usual on the
Speaker 1: lookout for a dinner party, Bozeman's main attraction is the
Speaker 1: wilderness surrounding it. And to make that wilderness a little
Speaker 1: less wild you need the right here. Okay, here we
Speaker 1: go our first stomp Big Boys Toys. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's Big Boys as toys or Big Boys and
Speaker 1: their toys, but we're here. Boys. We've got a paddle boards,
Speaker 1: we've got rafts, We've got boats, we've got kayaks, canoes.
Speaker 1: My name is Rebecca Wood, and I work at Big
Speaker 1: Boys Toys and Bozeman Monte Cedars snowmobiles coming soon. Despite
Speaker 1: the dazzling array of leisure craft, we're here for the
Speaker 1: serious business of camping aka sleeping outside on the ground
Speaker 1: on purpose. Not my idea of a good time. You see,
Speaker 1: I come from a long line of great indoorsmen. But
Speaker 1: if Danielle and I were going to run with the
Speaker 1: Big Boys of Montana, we'd need to start from the
Speaker 1: ground up. So officially the two person you could fit
Speaker 1: two people, but it's not going to be comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're friends, but the secret our friendship as we live
Speaker 1: three thousand miles away from each other. And then what's
Speaker 1: in our cooking set? Utensils? Got a little salt and
Speaker 1: pepper shaker that I think is very cute. That is
Speaker 1: pretty cute. Little coffee pot. Is there an espresso attachment? No,
Speaker 1: you're campaign. You're campaign by camping. It'll you're lucky. There's
Speaker 1: the agg coffee. How do we heat of the pot
Speaker 1: fire fire? You might want to look up a tutorial
Speaker 1: video of how to start a fire first if you've
Speaker 1: never done it. We've got one of those little um, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a fork. It's extendable. Yes, My plan for retirement
Speaker 1: is to get carpal tunnel from turning my marshmallow? Um?
Speaker 1: Why why are first aid kids so prominently displayed? We
Speaker 1: rent them out. If you guys want to take some
Speaker 1: look at this guy, we'll take zero degrees sleeping bags.
Speaker 1: It would be good for you guys to have. I
Speaker 1: also do recommend bringing warm clothes. You never know what
Speaker 1: could happen, especially in Montana. Like I said, you could
Speaker 1: be out there and it could snow. So tell me again,
Speaker 1: what's fun about this? It pushes your comfort zone more
Speaker 1: than some net home watching Netflix? Right? Are you from Bozeman? Not?
Speaker 1: Originally I've been here for almost fifteen years now, and
Speaker 1: has it changed a lot in the time that you've
Speaker 1: lived here. Yes, housing is hard to find. The economy
Speaker 1: in Bozeman is crazy. There's a lot more people that
Speaker 1: want to be here than we have room for. I
Speaker 1: read that Montana has the most bearers of the Lord
Speaker 1: continguous forty eight states. I believe it. I believe it.
Speaker 1: You would feel more comfortable. We've got an electric bear fence.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at this, Daniel. This looks violent.
Speaker 1: Roll it out, stick those stakes in the ground, and
Speaker 1: then it is battery powered. How do you pee in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night with this thing surrounding you? Well?
Speaker 1: If I pet on this, would it electrocute me? I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have ever had anybody pe on one.
Speaker 1: Communing with nature is proving as complicated as I thought.
Speaker 1: So I turned my attention to a different sort of community.
Speaker 1: You know, do you ever like entertain my preferred sort
Speaker 1: of community, night life type of things? I asked Rebecca
Speaker 1: if she knows of any dinner parties we can crash
Speaker 1: this weekend? Um, I'll let you know. Well, on that note,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run all this gear perfect and if we
Speaker 1: don't return it. Something really horrible happens. Yep, Well, listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts and see if I hear anything happening. You
Speaker 1: could also to sleep in the car. Wait, you're serious. No,
Speaker 1: we're in Montana right. Look at this cannon bear spray.
Speaker 1: This is like riot gear bear spray. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to work my way up to the camping
Speaker 1: part of our little journey. We can work you all,
Speaker 1: work on you over dinner. All right, let's see how
Speaker 1: after bidding a dude to Big Boys Toys we reroute
Speaker 1: to a much tamer starting point for our trip, Bozeman's
Speaker 1: Main Street. Lafter right up left. I guess I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at a spinning horse on top of
Speaker 1: a building, and I'm upset. Historic district is a blend
Speaker 1: of old Western charm and contemporary businesses. Or everywhere we
Speaker 1: look is red brick and glass storefronts, as well as
Speaker 1: sporty bowsmanites going about their day. So at risk of
Speaker 1: being a jerk, I can't really get into the mountain
Speaker 1: outdoorsy physical apparel aesthetic. Like there's something just so not
Speaker 1: sexy to me about practical clothing. I mean, like there's
Speaker 1: some good looking people here, but they're all like wearing
Speaker 1: like running shorts and shoes with rubber on them and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But it's also practical for a reason here,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hunting season. Like these ladies are fashionable.
Speaker 1: That's not my scene. You don't need my arms around
Speaker 1: you if you have a patagonia that goes down the
Speaker 1: negative ten. Oh, it's up here. We're arriving at Barley
Speaker 1: and Vine, one of the town's many modern bistros. We're
Speaker 1: here to meet Missy O'Malley, the hardest working woman in Bozeman.
Speaker 1: Betty Butter about some butter. But she said this Butter's
Speaker 1: bitter of it. I'm a DJ, I'm a CBS Morning
Speaker 1: News anchor, I'm a snowboard coach, an auctioneer, a bit
Speaker 1: or better made of better. Betty Butter bought a bit
Speaker 1: of better butter. And that's about it. That's about it.
Speaker 1: It's Missy quickly reads us in on Bozeman. So you've
Speaker 1: got subarus, Mom's wearing Lulu Lemon. You're wondering if any
Speaker 1: person in this town actually works, because everybody's at a
Speaker 1: yoga class all day long. Forerunners, skiing, biking, fishing, hiking, dogs, dogs, dogs,
Speaker 1: dogs dogs, lots of drinking breweries on every corner. Coffee
Speaker 1: shops are on every corner. Outdoorsy, smiling hippies, lots of hippies.
Speaker 1: White people with dreadlocks, White people with dreadlocks. What's up
Speaker 1: with that? White people with dreadlocks? But is white people,
Speaker 1: white people, white people absolutely, Thank God for the university.
Speaker 1: So we have a little bit of culture. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, white people in the snow. You know,
Speaker 1: my name's Thomas. I'll be taking care of you. Has
Speaker 1: anyone been other than a miss each other? The rest never?
Speaker 1: It's our first time. We're gonna do wine. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do those delicious little pink bubbles, all right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Bozeman is seen as a very
Speaker 1: snotty city. People calls bos Angelis, people call us bose Angelis.
Speaker 1: Montucky surrounding Bozeman is rather read a lot of rural,
Speaker 1: a lot of farm areas. Seven people a day moved
Speaker 1: to Bozeman, which, when you think about a town of
Speaker 1: roughly forty thousand a few years ago, it's it's quite
Speaker 1: the number. It's one of those things though at the
Speaker 1: same time, Bozeman's growth. If it weren't for people that
Speaker 1: are coming in and restoring these old kind of rundown
Speaker 1: hotels and make it a cool new restaurant hip again,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have kind of this this jibe that we've
Speaker 1: got going on. I grew up in a small town
Speaker 1: in upstate New York. One stoplight, yea everywhere. Over my
Speaker 1: lifetime alone, I've seen it turned into like a suburb
Speaker 1: of New York. And it feels bad. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, at least it didn't get washed off the map,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. There's so many surrounding towns
Speaker 1: that have just died out and become like you know,
Speaker 1: parking lot right. Um. At the same time, I've been
Speaker 1: actually having a lot of struggles with my constant hustle.
Speaker 1: I'm still snowboarding. I'm thirty six. I've been teaching for
Speaker 1: about fourteen years now. For For the dudes, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool if you're a ski bum. For a chick,
Speaker 1: it's just not as common. There's like a poetry to
Speaker 1: maybe a man doing about a woman doing it. It's like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with her? Right right? Like get your get
Speaker 1: your shit together? Or like, what's there's my boyfriend right there,
Speaker 1: that's rich. Hey, Danielle, he's he's he's an LA boys
Speaker 1: from LA. I'm sensitive about that. Oh cheers, my friends, cheers,
Speaker 1: chers cheers. When I when I first um moved here,
Speaker 1: I was in the Murray Bar and Livingston, Montana, and
Speaker 1: I said, it's my first summer in the guy, so
Speaker 1: how long you've been right? So I'm in here about
Speaker 1: six months? He said, we have about ten years till
Speaker 1: you can have an opinion in twenty years before I'll
Speaker 1: listen to it. And so I'm just past that, which
Speaker 1: is super nice. The idea of being a man here,
Speaker 1: like competence when it comes to like fixing things, yeah,
Speaker 1: a fearlessness when it comes to the wilderness, being able
Speaker 1: to catch a fish, hitch a boat. The rich can
Speaker 1: do all that shit. Well, I certainly have a couple
Speaker 1: of skills, but I still don't know cowboy boots. I
Speaker 1: still don't own a cowboy. Is this the end for
Speaker 1: you guys whoa to be a sensitive man? Is that
Speaker 1: a perverse kind of thing in this town? Or I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it's sensitivity or not. It's a fact that
Speaker 1: if you if you're in New York and something. If
Speaker 1: it's a really cold day, there's seventeen thousand businesses to
Speaker 1: help you facilitate getting through that day, Whereas in Montana,
Speaker 1: you don't have to cut the wood to put in
Speaker 1: the fire, scrape the snow off your off your windshields
Speaker 1: in the morning, start your car a half hour before
Speaker 1: because it's twenty below zero or whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: worked in Yelisa National Park in nineteen ninety three, and
Speaker 1: I think my journals back then were like there. I
Speaker 1: remember using the phrase like there are no guardrails, like
Speaker 1: like you get straight up just die and not just
Speaker 1: stuck with me. As the wilderness is this scary place.
Speaker 1: I'm a civilization fan. It kind of checks your ego
Speaker 1: of the door a little bit, whether it's getting caught
Speaker 1: in a snowstorm or rain store mud or a mountain,
Speaker 1: lion bears charging moose, all this up. I lived in
Speaker 1: Alaska for four years, and I lived in Anchorage for three,
Speaker 1: and then I worked and lived on the Aleutian Islands
Speaker 1: for a year. That did greatly change my concept of self,
Speaker 1: to be in a place that allowed you to these challenges.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Bozeman You're only going to
Speaker 1: get something out of it if you put something into it.
Speaker 1: The love you take is equal to the love you make.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Is that true? I think he's your
Speaker 1: bison um. The last time I went camping, who was
Speaker 1: probably almost a couple of decades ago, And I do
Speaker 1: feel like this lingering anxiety about my ability to withstand
Speaker 1: the wilderness. But it's like nature, like I can see
Speaker 1: it from here right. No, no, no no. We call
Speaker 1: Big Sky Country for a reason. Brother, I tell you,
Speaker 1: my buddy Jesse always says, big medicine. It's a big
Speaker 1: medicine day when you get to spend the day outside.
Speaker 1: I'll take that into consideration. Thank you for supporting Danielle's cage.
Speaker 1: He say, here's the other thing. You guys are all
Speaker 1: city slickers. You need to step outside on one put
Speaker 1: your phone down and just look up at the stars.
Speaker 1: I mean, like tomorrow we're going to fly fishing and
Speaker 1: dub we're gonna go to the thesemb of the Rockies
Speaker 1: and see the times. After offering up a couple more excuses,
Speaker 1: I eventually changed the subject to one this more interesting
Speaker 1: to civilization lovers like me, like you guys, ever, host
Speaker 1: people at your place or anything. I mean, I wake
Speaker 1: up at three thirties. So week that's a little tough,
Speaker 1: but definitely on Friday, let's go to the art Walk
Speaker 1: the second Friday of every month. People have different art exhibits.
Speaker 1: Little cocktail stations sit up so you can just stroll
Speaker 1: and bop through each little shop down town, so your
Speaker 1: Bozeman locals actually go to it. Well, it's it's back,
Speaker 1: are you guys down? My middle name is gallery Walk,
Speaker 1: gallery Walking. Let's the whitest thing you've ever said to me?
Speaker 1: Literally blinded ever, I'm in the right place. Then the
Speaker 1: guest gallery Walk, who we gotta get you out of
Speaker 1: side Rose. They might have been laughing at me, but
Speaker 1: I was smiling too for a different reason. I've managed
Speaker 1: to drag our visit out long enough, and finding a
Speaker 1: camping area for the night no longer made sense. Instead,
Speaker 1: Danielle and I sleep in a hotel with walls made
Speaker 1: of wood and brick, and we're the only growling was
Speaker 1: from the ice machine in the hallway. We just passed
Speaker 1: the Gelton back there. Danielle and I are up early
Speaker 1: and we're going fly fishing and Madison the Gelton and
Speaker 1: the Jefferson. Are the three branches. That's grant our guide
Speaker 1: from trout Fitters. Turns out trout fits include waiters, big
Speaker 1: baggy rubber pants with footsias you smush into duck boots.
Speaker 1: It feels as if airbags have gone off in our pants.
Speaker 1: We barely fit in this truck. Outside is all sky,
Speaker 1: distant mountains and the occasional ranch. It's kind of brown like,
Speaker 1: it's different shades of brown and tan grass and wet
Speaker 1: fields and that's all. Hey, there's actually more cows in
Speaker 1: Montana than there is people that are there? The actual
Speaker 1: cowboys in Montana? Oh yeah, oh yeah, cowboy hat hair
Speaker 1: was in the deck, gave away. You're a man if
Speaker 1: you were, I like it. This is where we're gonna
Speaker 1: fish yep, preferred spot on this river. Oh I got
Speaker 1: a few. How can I have a feeling that you
Speaker 1: have your own personal private spots? There really is any
Speaker 1: secrets on this forever arrive? Are there chicks out here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Come on over here. Line goes right into your finger. Here.
Speaker 1: Grant gives us a crash course on fly fishing alongside
Speaker 1: a river as wide as a four lane highway. How
Speaker 1: much line with our waiters? On, we waddle along the
Speaker 1: bank in slow motion like topless astronauts holding rods. The
Speaker 1: whole thing of fly fishing, though, is that you're trying
Speaker 1: to imitate a fly on the top of the water
Speaker 1: to trick a trout. Right, So that's a lift thumb.
Speaker 1: There we go. Ah. Do you ever play baseball? Branding? Yea,
Speaker 1: throwing it right to the first basement, right to the
Speaker 1: chest right? Okay, yeah, hear that woosh the rod? Use
Speaker 1: it too much muscle, It's hard for me. Got a girlfriend, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So let's say that you want a guy's night out.
Speaker 1: Do you go to your girlfriends say, honey, I want
Speaker 1: a guy's night out. I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1: I'm going out anyway. Or do you guys? Sweet talker
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, I don't really have a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: so but I'm going to guess you probably had. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had girlfriends. Go ahead, and if I wanted to
Speaker 1: go out with the guys, I would have to sweet
Speaker 1: I would have to sweet talker a little bit. The
Speaker 1: same thing with these rocks. It's not about muscle, okay,
Speaker 1: It's more about finess. Feel that good when you see
Speaker 1: that barber go down. Do you think you're gonna actually
Speaker 1: feel that strike? Probably not, like opposed to like ring
Speaker 1: your old barber fishing, we're just sitting there on the
Speaker 1: bank with cool or bear and waiting for that barber
Speaker 1: to go down. A lot of times these fish don't
Speaker 1: do that. All you see with that indicator is it
Speaker 1: just moves just barely, and that's your strike. So that's
Speaker 1: where like the kind of meditative concentration comes in, because
Speaker 1: you can't just be looking around and you know kind
Speaker 1: of everything about fly fishing. You have to be an
Speaker 1: active participant. You can't just sit back and wait for
Speaker 1: something to happen. All right, you're ready, Danielle. Yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Ran right, Nope, No, I mean my attentions. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stick one of you guys right down here. You can't
Speaker 1: see that rock that's upsurface there. Yeah, do you want
Speaker 1: to do that one, Danielle. The feeling of the river
Speaker 1: on the waiters alone makes this really cool. See that, Brandon,
Speaker 1: what happened eagle? Whoa? That's an immature bald eagle. I
Speaker 1: know it's immature. So it's hair. It's well if one
Speaker 1: thing it had a lot, oh if there's bald eagle
Speaker 1: right there. Whoa, how you can kind of tell that
Speaker 1: as you look underneath them, they got a lot of
Speaker 1: white spots. An immature bald eagle still got a dark
Speaker 1: head because a receding hairline. Bald eagle. Yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: like me. Who oh, keep that right a little high?
Speaker 1: Are they really trouting near us right now? What do
Speaker 1: you think I'd take it out here if there wasn't
Speaker 1: any trout in it. I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just figure over greenhorns like it doesn't like are likely
Speaker 1: to getting one's low well at times doing not exactly
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world to catch. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems that way. That's why it takes time, patience. I'm
Speaker 1: looking over on Danielle. It just looks like a movie poster.
Speaker 1: She's just in the middle of the river. Casson on
Speaker 1: her own watch my hands slide dropped. When I lived
Speaker 1: in Alaska, UM I made a concentrated effort to constantly
Speaker 1: be out and to be hiking and you know, going
Speaker 1: on glacier walks and you know, being out more even
Speaker 1: just walking around towns I lived in. It felt more
Speaker 1: communal because the elements were there and remind us all
Speaker 1: that we needed help, like, this is not an easy
Speaker 1: place to live. Um. I spent the summer is out,
Speaker 1: you know, kayaking and canoeing and fishing, and so it's
Speaker 1: nice to be reminded of this, that this is also
Speaker 1: a part of me. I could also be aged. I'm
Speaker 1: going to cast that again. You know, I'm learning the
Speaker 1: difference between a good and bad cast. You could feel
Speaker 1: it in your arms when it's bad, just like with
Speaker 1: everything of every other part of my life, dating, writing,
Speaker 1: you just feel it in your bones when it's not
Speaker 1: working out. Oh, I got one, I got one on
Speaker 1: the line where you go it? That's all right. If
Speaker 1: you caught a trout, you're not allowed to keep it.
Speaker 1: So on these trips we really try to emphasize that
Speaker 1: catching release. Why is that, Well, we all came out
Speaker 1: and fished every day, there wouldn't be anything left in here.
Speaker 1: At the same time. Could be honest with you, Brandon,
Speaker 1: I don't like eating trout. What you don't like trout? No?
Speaker 1: Why not? I grew up fishing for walleye, all right,
Speaker 1: and they're much tastier fish. Oh yeah, they called them
Speaker 1: the poor man's helmet. Okay, I think I might be
Speaker 1: natural natural in some way. What do you say? Could
Speaker 1: you think it's fishing to be going for it? Maybe
Speaker 1: my erratic nature. They're like, whoa, this might be a bug.
Speaker 1: We got a bottom, But did I get something? Or
Speaker 1: was I at that bottom? There's bottom? Oh man, I
Speaker 1: don't think it enough. People spend enough time and actually
Speaker 1: I won't even say that, let the back it up.
Speaker 1: I don't think I spend enough time realizing how complicit
Speaker 1: I am in my own unhappiness because I'm not taking
Speaker 1: advantage of stuff like this. You know, I stay at
Speaker 1: home a lot and I work, and so I'm complicit
Speaker 1: in my own stagnation in that way. So what do
Speaker 1: you think about life in Bozeman? Not the sleepy little
Speaker 1: cut down it used to be. Yeah, what's happening? More
Speaker 1: growth and that's good and bad? Right, A's double edged? Short?
Speaker 1: Can you blame people for when to come here? No,
Speaker 1: I get it. I've been around the country. There's nowhere
Speaker 1: else I want to be. Yeah, I write, so I
Speaker 1: make metaphors, but I think about like the trout, well,
Speaker 1: oh there was a strike. Oh man, that was a
Speaker 1: fish Jesus you know him. You're talking too much when
Speaker 1: you go away I'm gonna really nail a fish, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna be screwed because you've got the basket.
Speaker 1: It's called it na. I'm sorry, but I think like
Speaker 1: the trout I want yep, we were gonna be a
Speaker 1: little cookers in there. Alright, alright, alright. What is the
Speaker 1: fly fisherman's relationship to the trout? I don't know? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the trout? I got one.
Speaker 1: I got a fish. If you want to run on,
Speaker 1: you got that head? Check check it out out we
Speaker 1: got it. Oh, it's so nice. I caught a fish.
Speaker 1: I caught fish. Okay, go back in the water. Yes,
Speaker 1: let me go back home. I'll catch you again. I
Speaker 1: caught up. I got I think it's unfair and wrong
Speaker 1: that I didn't catch a fishing gave her a better fly.
Speaker 1: Do you have opportunity right there? I think they put
Speaker 1: in her wheat bed. When Grant drops us back in Bozeman,
Speaker 1: I asked him about a dinner party, but it's clear
Speaker 1: he has other fish to fry, so we eat a
Speaker 1: quick dinner Burger Barn and return to our lodgings. In
Speaker 1: our living room, Danielle smiles as she knits at first,
Speaker 1: I think she's gloating about the trout she caught, but
Speaker 1: I'm projecting she's just calm and content. The big medicine
Speaker 1: is working on her, whereas I'm just experiencing the side
Speaker 1: effects drowsiness, muscle and joint stiffness, disorientation, moodiness, trout envy, fatigue,
Speaker 1: sleepy foot, drymout, robbiness, panic attacks. It's a new day
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, and those sounds are not coming from my stomach.
Speaker 1: In Hot Springs, we're walking through the Sebold Dinosaur Complex
Speaker 1: at the Museum of the Rockies. Montana is particularly rich
Speaker 1: in dinosaur fossils. In fact, Bozeman is where Jack Horner,
Speaker 1: the inspiration for the paleontologists and Jurassic Park, lived and
Speaker 1: worked in the Hall of Horns and Teeth. We taken
Speaker 1: the museum's famous reconstructed t Rex skeleton. Its remains were
Speaker 1: found near here. Turns out even the tyrant lizard King
Speaker 1: couldn't make it out of the wilds of Montana alive
Speaker 1: to new branches from the tree of life, an important
Speaker 1: adaptation for some early miners. And what made you want
Speaker 1: to put an arrow in something? Somehow I don't want
Speaker 1: to put an arrow in something necessarily. I just think
Speaker 1: we're driving over to Extreme Performance Archery, where Danielle has
Speaker 1: signed yourself up for a lesson. Now the way the
Speaker 1: world is, I'm maybe subconsciously racking up some apocalypse skills.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind going down with the blast like. I'm
Speaker 1: not strong enough to survive in apocalypse like, so if
Speaker 1: I go with the initial boom, that'll probably be much
Speaker 1: better for me and whoever's in my life. Oh, Extreme
Speaker 1: Performance Archery, good luck, all right, nice to meet you,
Speaker 1: shooting you. Yeah, my name is Jim Smith, and we're
Speaker 1: an Extreme Performance archery and we're going to give this
Speaker 1: young lady a lesson in archery. The very first thing
Speaker 1: that we would do was I'd have to check your
Speaker 1: eye dominance to know if you're going to shoot a
Speaker 1: right handed or left handed boat. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: back up some and I want you to go like
Speaker 1: with arms length out and look at my hat. So
Speaker 1: now as I approach, you don't move at your left hand.
Speaker 1: That means your left eye dominant and it could have
Speaker 1: been a left hander this whole time. Who do I
Speaker 1: call about this? You know, being black and growing up
Speaker 1: in an all white town. I feel like I was
Speaker 1: forced into a lot of stuff, but the fact that
Speaker 1: I could have been left handed is the limit. We
Speaker 1: also want to make sure honey equipment is quiet linked
Speaker 1: through the air or seemed to have an allergic reaction
Speaker 1: to arrows. So they're quite jumpy because you know, especially
Speaker 1: like white tailed deer and things just just been chasing
Speaker 1: them for the last million years or so. So I
Speaker 1: need to keep my knuckle behind there, no anchor. This
Speaker 1: let her go. Oh goodness, ain't that fun? Nice shot?
Speaker 1: You're a fast learner, bull's eye, That's hilarious. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I could have been lefty. These targets here on
Speaker 1: the wall, to say, three remnants of a different time
Speaker 1: um are definitely still here. We still have like archaeological
Speaker 1: sites and tepee rings, and it's just a sign of
Speaker 1: different times. It makes me think about my mortality, about
Speaker 1: Danielle's busy learning about how to silently murder mammals. I'm
Speaker 1: on a steep hiking trail at Highlight Reservoir, trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with my guide. My name is Nissoya twenty stands.
Speaker 1: My English name is Francesca Pine Rodriguez. Why do have
Speaker 1: their spray. Why do you keep saying that Francesca is
Speaker 1: a local activists. For many years it was her job
Speaker 1: to increase enrollment of Native Americans at Montana State University.
Speaker 1: I came across her in a photo exhibit I saw online.
Speaker 1: In the portrait, she stands on a football field or
Speaker 1: in the colors of her alma mater MSU and the
Speaker 1: traditional regalia of her tribes, the Crow and Northern Cheyenne.
Speaker 1: You know, before colonization, we existed in this land and
Speaker 1: we have reservations which historically like that's reserved for us,
Speaker 1: and that land that we got to stay on like
Speaker 1: got smaller and smaller and smaller as colonization happened. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been here for a couple of days
Speaker 1: now and we've been seeing all these like different levels
Speaker 1: of discussion about change in Bozeman. In this region, people
Speaker 1: are getting priced out, and yet you're from a people
Speaker 1: who were not even priced out. Yeah, I just straight
Speaker 1: kicked out. Bozeman is known for like a meeting place
Speaker 1: among tribes before Bozeman was a town, and who wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to come here? It's beautiful. It certainly is Francesca's
Speaker 1: bringing me to Grotto Falls. Like everyone in Bozeman, she's
Speaker 1: convinced an inventure in the woods will do my spirit
Speaker 1: some good. I grew up in southeastern Montana, on my homeland,
Speaker 1: and I got to spend a lot of time with
Speaker 1: my grandmother, Evelyn Hogan Bearground. Bearground, Yes, a beautiful regal name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was regal. Yes. So she grew up on the
Speaker 1: reservation in the days where you had to ask permission
Speaker 1: to leave. Coming here for college, I came in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. So even just the change from then
Speaker 1: has been pretty crazy because when I came here, like
Speaker 1: I didn't see much people who look like me, and
Speaker 1: even being that this is indigenous land, so I did
Speaker 1: feel out of place a lot going off the reservation.
Speaker 1: Bozeman is filled with nice people and the occasional asshole.
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of our pride and joy.
Speaker 1: Right here. We have a fifty yard three D range.
Speaker 1: You can shoot a four and they look plastic, but
Speaker 1: they're like rubberized. Yeah it's a foam. There's a baboon
Speaker 1: right there, Yeah, looks like my xby. You know why
Speaker 1: you need one of them? And so you appreciate the
Speaker 1: Sega win a lot more. Bless you for thinking I'm
Speaker 1: ever gonna get married again? Oh those little baby ram
Speaker 1: All right, baby Ram, you're done. Good grief. That's another one.
Speaker 1: What should I get next? Here's a little longer shot.
Speaker 1: I don't shoot the buffalo and unlocked that arm? Here
Speaker 1: there you go, dance looks good? Whoa, that's dead sin
Speaker 1: look at that call everybody you know tell him you
Speaker 1: don't move to Montana. I'm moving to Montannah. Okay. This
Speaker 1: dude in this prime archery poster here is he married?
Speaker 1: And how soon can I help him get divorced? I
Speaker 1: got somebody else in mind for you. You like him? Really? Yeah? Tall? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like six? How tall is easy? Six? Four? Six? Five? Easy? Easy? Fiji?
Speaker 1: What is he doing today with? Cal him up? Make
Speaker 1: sure he's still single? I will help him through it.
Speaker 1: Three very handsome young man? Are they grownish? Oh? Cool?
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. Okay, be careful. We are looking at
Speaker 1: a gorgeous waterfall. The water is just falling on the rocks.
Speaker 1: Since not just falling, it's thriving. And then you know,
Speaker 1: you got this kind of little cave like thing on
Speaker 1: the side of it that's kind of cool looking. There's
Speaker 1: one I joking. I love it here, something that in
Speaker 1: our culture that we do when we come to the water,
Speaker 1: as you should, bless yourself with the water. Just take
Speaker 1: a little okay and put it on your head. Wish
Speaker 1: for anything, or for anything, or just blust results, thankful
Speaker 1: it exists and that you exist in the same space.
Speaker 1: As I drive back to town, it's the golden hour.
Speaker 1: The view from my windshield looks like a screen saver.
Speaker 1: Green trees, blue sky, big clouds, big medicine. There's a
Speaker 1: warm feeling in my chest like I've just woken up
Speaker 1: fully rested. That was so good. When I pick up
Speaker 1: d from the archery lesson, she's beaming. We make our
Speaker 1: way home and after a quick shower of nap, we
Speaker 1: donned the most impractical clothing in our suitcases, lavender shirt.
Speaker 1: We might not have a dinner party to go too,
Speaker 1: but we have plans. It's time to head to Main
Speaker 1: Street to do exactly what Brendan gallery Walk Frances Newnham
Speaker 1: was born to do. We're here, mister Urtwalk himself. Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Hey broad Jessica, do you know Missy?
Speaker 1: I do? I see here on TV all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you know Frantasca. Of course she's a legend. Well,
Speaker 1: we're really psyched that you guys could join us for
Speaker 1: our walk. I'm so excited to stroll around fun. Can
Speaker 1: I ask what you're selling? We're selling t shirts for
Speaker 1: the Green Coalition of Gay Laggers. For Jesus, it's an
Speaker 1: organization I formed back in two thousand and nine in
Speaker 1: response to the Tea Party. This gallery features a lot
Speaker 1: of local artists and they do a really good job
Speaker 1: of native representation. Lights to the bullet shotgun shells. What
Speaker 1: are you selling my artwork? And what inspired you? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I did because I need more money to my art supplies.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to convince myself that I need the
Speaker 1: stelling part in painting so bad. Every time we hang
Speaker 1: out with you, as we can get progressively more dropped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's not that we're alcoholics. It's just that
Speaker 1: everything is so social. Oh my god, there's so many
Speaker 1: just truly beautiful men here, and it's like the horny
Speaker 1: Tour of UFA. There's boots, there's hats, there's bullos, cow
Speaker 1: hide vests. Do you think they have a cowhide turtleneck? Oh?
Speaker 1: The first time in Yeah, I'm in low and she's
Speaker 1: gonna move here. I caught a fish I was I
Speaker 1: was doing an archery lesson. I hit the bulltlight twice.
Speaker 1: This is my place. As Bozeman's last artwalk of the
Speaker 1: season comes to a close, we returned to our rental
Speaker 1: truck with its payload of untouched camping supplies, the four
Speaker 1: person tent still neatly folded in its pouch, the first
Speaker 1: aid kids with unbroken seals. There was still one last
Speaker 1: thing we had to do. This is so beautiful. I
Speaker 1: can't believe we hit a full moon. It's gorgeous up here.
Speaker 1: I do honestly feel like even just a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, I would have been a little spooked, but
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you were here. It's pitch black. We're
Speaker 1: by ourselves. Now that I know you can shoot a
Speaker 1: boone an arrow, I feel safer as do I did
Speaker 1: not even know that I had that in myself. And
Speaker 1: if we get lost, you can catch us a fish.
Speaker 1: I can't navigate with a compass yet, but I can
Speaker 1: definitely find water and catch us fish. There was a
Speaker 1: point when I dropped out of college. I was eighteen
Speaker 1: and I was a little bit lost, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to be lost and has had this romantic notion, had
Speaker 1: read way too much Jack Carouac and lived in a
Speaker 1: van for a couple of years trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who I was, and then came out the Yellowstone not
Speaker 1: far from here, and got a job and was worked
Speaker 1: in Mammoth Hot Springs, changing beds, and then ultimately became
Speaker 1: a waiter. Old Faithful. I'm in this dorm room with
Speaker 1: like five adult males who were usually fighting fires, but
Speaker 1: there were no fires that year, and they were a
Speaker 1: pretty rough crew. One night, we were walking back from
Speaker 1: a birthday party. One of the roommates, this guy Patrick,
Speaker 1: revealed he had a crush on me. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not attracted to you, but I'm flattered,
Speaker 1: but I didn't you know how to process that. He
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic and depressive. Later that night, my roommates
Speaker 1: came back and he was gone, and they're like, what
Speaker 1: happened to Patrick? I was like, I don't know, And
Speaker 1: it turned out he had like ran off and he
Speaker 1: was suicidal, like he'd always talked about suicide. And it
Speaker 1: was elk running season, so you couldn't really hike outside
Speaker 1: Mamoth Hot Springs because the elk were just like horny
Speaker 1: and running around with their horns, like I would be
Speaker 1: serving dinner to people in the elk, we would just
Speaker 1: be ripping up the earth. But I was so upset, like,
Speaker 1: we gotta find Patrick. And this older roommate, this guy Kevin,
Speaker 1: was like, if he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing we can do. Woke up the next morning.
Speaker 1: He was on his bed and his chest was all
Speaker 1: cut up. He'd razored. He'd cut himself up. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was just like surface cuts, but it was bloody,
Speaker 1: you know. And he was like, I'm a coward. I
Speaker 1: couldn't I couldn't do it. I've never encountered like something
Speaker 1: that intense. The stakes of life were much bigger than
Speaker 1: me just playing Jack Carowac. Those experiences the wilderness just
Speaker 1: scared me to death, and I decided not vonta really
Speaker 1: put myself in that place again. Um until tonight. I'm
Speaker 1: consistently proud of you for pushing boundaries. But we we
Speaker 1: are on a at a dog park on top of
Speaker 1: a hill, still firmly in the Bozeman city limits. I
Speaker 1: mean the closest road is like at least a quarter
Speaker 1: mile away from here. Nobody, Hey, how are you? Oh
Speaker 1: you're so cute? High, Oh my goodness? What's Oh my
Speaker 1: goodness too? But where's your body? Where's your body? There
Speaker 1: is um? All right? I feel like we should return
Speaker 1: this stuff to Big Boys Toys. Maybe in another twenty
Speaker 1: years I'll come back to Bozeman and actually go camping.
Speaker 1: I will be full grizzly Adam's wilderness. Then secret, just
Speaker 1: come visit me? Are you meeting easy? Later? Oh, Jim
Speaker 1: got to come through that phone number. Never count on
Speaker 1: another man to hook you up. They always forget the details.
Speaker 1: The lead producer on this episode of Not Lost was
Speaker 1: Crystal du Hay. The show was also produced and written
Speaker 1: by me Brendan Francis Newnham. Our associate producer was Jackson Musker.
Speaker 1: Special editorial guidance came from Robert win Talk. The show
Speaker 1: was sound designed and mixed by Crystal du Haime and
Speaker 1: matter by Hannas Brown. A big thanks to my friend
Speaker 1: and this episode's travel partner, Danielle Henderson. If you haven't
Speaker 1: checked out her brilliant memoir entitled The Ugly Cry, you
Speaker 1: should Not Lost as a co production of Pushkin Industries,
Speaker 1: Topic Studios and iHeartMedia. It was developed at Topic Studios
Speaker 1: and the show's executive producers are Me Christy Gressman, Maria Zuckerman,
Speaker 1: Lisa Langang, and Lata Mulot. Production assistants on this episode
Speaker 1: also came from Jacob Smith, Amy Gaines and Julia Barton.
Speaker 1: Our theme song was created by Alexis Georgiopolis aka ARP.
Speaker 1: You can check out his music at Mexican Summer Records.
Speaker 1: A big thank you to the people we met this episode.
Speaker 1: Rebecca Wood at Big Boys Toys, Grant Grigsby at trout Fitters,
Speaker 1: Jim Smith at Extreme Performance Archery, Francesca Pine Rodriguez, and
Speaker 1: Missy O'Malley now Missy Cashman her N Rich got hitched Mazeltov.
Speaker 1: If you want to see pictures of our travels, please
Speaker 1: head tonlosshow dot com and what would end at its
Speaker 1: be without me asking you to head to Apple Podcasts
Speaker 1: to go rate and review this show, but means so much.
Speaker 1: If you like shows like this, they need support and
Speaker 1: it's a great way to show it. Learn more about
Speaker 1: Topic Studios at Topic studios dot com to find more
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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Brendan Francis, Newnham. Until
Speaker 1: next time, bon voyage